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Friday, August 15, 2008
John Hawkins :: Townhall.com Columnist
25 Reasons You Might Be a Liberal
by John Hawkins
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With apologies to Jeff Foxworthy, you just might be a liberal if...

* You're sure the Constitution explicitly guarantees the right to abortion and gay marriage, but not the right to own a handgun.

* You think Dan Quayle is the dumbest Vice-President we ever had because he believed a flash card that misspelled "potato," but think Obama is a genius despite the fact he believes we have more than 57 states.

* You'd be more upset about your favorite candidate being endorsed by the NRA than the Communist Party.

* You think the same criminals who use guns in the commission of a crime will just hand them over to comply with the law if guns are made illegal.

* You know that 86% of all income taxes are paid by the top 25% of income earners and you still feel that the rich "aren't paying their fair share of the taxes."

* You put a higher priority on oil pipelines possibly inconveniencing a few caribou than you do on lowering the price of gas for everyone in the country by drilling ANWR.

* You're worried that Osama Bin Laden might not get a fair trial if we capture him, but want George Bush thrown in prison for being too zealous in protecting us from Al-Qaeda.

* You get infuriated when you hear about the CEO of a Fortune 500 company making tens of millions of dollars, but don't see a problem with an actor, basketball player, or trial lawyer making the same amount.

* You're constantly seeing subtle, coded racism in campaign ads, but see nothing racist about blacks being promoted over more qualified white applicants because of Affirmative Action.

* You think it's obscene that oil companies are allowed to make 8.3 cents per gallon in profit with gas prices this high, but would never suggest cutting the 13 cents per gallon they pay on taxes to reduce the price of gas.

* You think George Bush is a chickenhawk because he wanted to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan despite the fact that he only served in the National Guard, but you don't think the same about Barack Obama, who has never served in the military and probably couldn't find either country on a map without help.

* You think protesting outside of abortion clinics is extremism and should be illegal, but carrying around giant puppet heads while wearing a t-shirt that compares Bush to Hitler is just exercising your First Amendment rights.

* You think the case for global warming is proven without a shadow of a doubt, but that we need another century or two worth of evidence to figure out if capitalism and free markets work better than socialism.

* You believe the best way to fix the government screwing something up in the market is with...drumroll, please...more government intervention.

* You think the first thing we should have done when Russia invaded Georgia was to take the matter to the United Nations, where Russia sits on the UN Security Council.

* You spend your days criticizing the use of private jets, SUVS, and luxurious houses that consume enormous amounts of resources and then ride in an SUV to the airport, get on your private plane, and fly home to your luxurious house.

* You have more nice things to say about countries like Cuba and France than you do about your own country.

* You think the war in Iraq is unwinnable, but victory in the war on poverty is going to happen any day now if we can just get the Democrats back in charge.

* You won't even support English as our national language, but can't seem to understand why people worry about tens of millions of illegal aliens changing our culture.

* You think censorship is absolutely wrong; except when it's applied to conservatives on college campuses or on talk radio via the fairness doctrine.

* You get more upset about an American soldier accidentally killing a civilian than you do about a terrorist deliberately blowing up a school bus full of kids.

* You think Fox News is hopelessly biased to the right, but MSNBC, CNN, NBC, ABC, and CBS call it right down the middle.

* You think the real hero of the Cold War was Mikhail Gorbachev.

* You couldn't care less about what Americans in states like Kansas or Virginia think of you, but you would be greatly upset if a Frenchman gave you a dirty look because you're an American.

* You think kids in public schools should have to watch Earth in the Balance and read Heather Has Two Mommies, but no piece of literature with the word "Jesus" on it should be allowed within a hundred yards of a school.

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CORSI documented every item:

Corsi documented every item he writes about !!

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You might be a liberal if
Your name is texaschuck and you think your post is relevant.

pins it down
This article pins liberals down. Perfect.

Foxworthy was Funny
Hawkins -- not so much.

texaschuck
I don't know what your rant has to do with this article. Did you have a point? I don't know what you are referring to in reference to the Corsi book, however I don't believe that the right has any reason to 'move on to the next smear campaign' against B. Hussein. He, his nasty wife, and his anti-American racist friends supply more than enough fodder to fuel the fire. Anyone with brainpower greater than that of a turnip needs no book to explain anything about these people; one need only listen to what they say and look at their past deeds. That is sufficient.

What I really started out to say prior to being distracted is that I think you might be a liberal if you have not one whit of common sense, you don't have the IQ of a turnip, you are easily indoctrinated, you are mean-spirited, ill-tempered and degenerate and above all, you despise the United States of America.

Wonderful!
Just printed it out for my husband to enjoy with his breakfast in the morning!

Maybe #26 should be: You might be a liberal if the previous 25 don't make any sense to you.

Sugary Sweet writes:
Hawkins is one of the biggest dolts...
...who posts articles at TH.

A complete simpleton...he sure is in the right place, isn't he?

Well a complete simpleton wrote the above post.

Hillary Clinton is Fiscally Conservative
Ever heard that one? Also, Dan Rather is a fair and balanced reporter with no political preferences. He even said the New York Times was "middle of the road".

How about Chris Matthews is a conservative? I have read that one on DailyKos.

And lastly, Keith Olbermann is not a deranged, conspiracy believing nutjob. In other words, he is your favorite news guy.


Well,
it's late, and I must be up early to take my Grandsons shopping during the Texas sales tax free weekend end. Good night, all except Sickeningly Sweet.

I have to vote for Obama for free gas
I thought that was McCain, b2slim?

B2 other than your feelings, Obama has promised tax increases
on the top 3% of income earners - congrats to you!
For the other 97% there should be no change or a decrease.
Any thing could happen, but not based on his words -
maybe on his policies, but that's not the way DC works
anymore - they just put it on the card!

# 26
You are a liberal if you think intolerance of anything a conservative believes in is tolerance.
And defend a communist Cuba, China etc.

#27
You are a liberal if you believe multiculturalism is rejecting western civilization founded in Judeo/Christian faith.
And believe islam is about peace




a couple of others
* You believe that humanity is destroying the earth and that human population will be diminished to half it's current levels within 20 years. Just like you did 20 years ago.

* You say that all beliefs are equally valid, except for anyone that believes in God or otherwise disagrees with you.

* You say that faith cannot compare with science in explaining the universe and it's laws, and take on faith the coincidences that have allowed life to be generated (nuclear level chemisty, normal chemistry with polarities allowing complex solutions and hydrocarbons allowing RND/DNA strands), gravitational balance with nuclear strong forces allowing stable planets around heat-giving stars).

* You think that multiculturalism is wonderful, except for those things (infanticide, "honor killings", sacrifices) that your find abhorrent and that must be banned.

* You believe that abortion should be allowed for any reason except selecting the sex of a child.

You might be a liberal if...
you think Dan Quayle's middle name - Danforth - is hysterically funny

but go completley POSTAL whenever a conservative says...

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

how many people does this apply to?
"* You spend your days criticizing the use of private jets, SUVS, and luxurious houses that consume enormous amounts of resources and then ride in an SUV to the airport, get on your private plane, and fly home to your luxurious house."

I think most of us might want to be liberals if this is one of the
litmus tests. Limousine liberal wasn't good enough now they
have to be private plane liberals?


You might be a liberal if...
you think Dan Quayle's middle name - Danforth - is hysterically funny

but go completley POSTAL whenever a conservative says...

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

You might be a liberal if...
you watch Hannity and Colmes to hear what Alan Colmes has to say about ANYTHING!

That's it? That's the best they can do?
True confession: I used to be a liberal. Until they stopped talking FACTS, at all, and started arguing every point with insults, finger-pointing, and name-calling. Where is anyone with a THOUGHTFUL and INTELLIGENT rebuttal? Until I see one, I'm going to assume Mr. Hawkins is right on.

regal lion
they're not the same thing or joke are they?
Is Danforth funny?
Is Hussein?
Now, Myron could be funny, but not hysterically at least to an adult.

You might be a liberal if...
you eat ARUGULA even though you HATE it!

Bob Munck
"Foxworthy was Funny; Hawkins -- not so much."

-- Munck, not at all. Unless your argument in favor of gay marriage counts. Now THAT was funny.

You might be a liberal if...
as a kid you brought a LAWYER to defend you at your playground fights if you ever had the guts to have one!

Regal Lion...
"
Regal Lion
Location: IL

Reply # 21
Date: Aug 15, 2008 - 1:25 AM EST Subject: You might be a liberal if...
you think Dan Quayle's middle name - Danforth - is hysterically funny

but go completley POSTAL whenever a conservative says...

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA "


Just hilarious !


Laughing Rat

everyones facts
Myron is a name I hold in esteem. The only man I've known by that name was a WWII vet who was the Polish equivalent of a Partizan. I have yet to meet the man who matches him for guts and work ethic.

But I know what you're saying... he saw laughing at himself as one of his defining characteristics. Well, that and shooting vodka without a chaser (I was warned, well before I came of age, to NOT try to match him).

You might be a liberal if...
you still plan to vote for Obama even though he will not end the war in Iraq and plans to expand the war in Afghanistan.

texaschuck
"With his smear Obama book now exposed as a pack of lies TH has no blog or story on the #1 book on the New York Times bestseller list."

-- Why don't you comment on what IS written on the blog, and not on what is NOT written on it?
Stupid bim--.

You might be a liberal if...
you were offended that John McCain compared Obama to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears instead of finding it hysterically funny!

Regal Lion
-- Here in AZ we actually have a law firm (Lerner & Lowe) that aired a TV ad showing a mock recreation of one of them doing EXACTLY what you described.

In the pursuit of money they have no shame ... no morals.

You might be a liberal
If you find other posters requesting you post relevant comments/facts to a writers article on most/all columns on TH.

You might be a liberal if...
you'd die before allowing your child to marry a conservative or a Christian!

karen and sugarysweet
karen, the lack of facts and the desire to attack based on personality
is why I left the repubs in 1999 (and I thought and think that Clinton
is dirt) - now registered as an idependent.
that and some of the things sugary sweet has listed.
The move to religiosity is scary on the Repub side.
Never considered myself a th conservative fwiw, you know a triple
conservative - just economic and mostly political, definitely not
social.

Definitely not a liberal - using the list(s) above.

You might be a liberal if...
you change the topic to "you might be a NEO-CON!

You might be a liberal if...
you call everyone who believes Israel has a right to exist a NEO-CON

or

you could just be a plain old Anti-Semite!

Reply #23
How come liberals accuse conservatives of hating the Constitution (and what it says literally), yet at every opportunity attempt to alter it via the courts? The Constitution is a contract, not a living document. Just imagine the reaction of liberal cry-babies if their mortgage companies claimed that their mortgage contracts were living documents and attempted to change the terms of the loans.

You are certainly a liberal if
you are willing to nominate a candidate with absolutely no qualifications to be President.

Regal Lion

Awemaway, Awemaway, Awemaway, In the Jungle, The Mighty Jungle, the Lion Sleeps tonight... (Have no idea of the correct spelling here...)

But! He The Lion, has insomnia right now, and YOU are in dire straits !!!

Get 'em LEO Pardis !

You ARE the King Of Beasts!


The Humble Rat



Sugary Sweet
"I just might vote Democrat this year...the govt expands less under them than under Republicans."

-- Wow. Lying is like breathing to you, is it?

"The Republican congress during GWB's reign of idiocy made Democrats look like amateurs when it comes to expanding govt and violating the constitution!"

-- Other than the DoHS, the govt was expanded HOW? And HOW did the Party violate the Constitution?

[All non-sequiter statements and ad hominem attacks -- in other words, MOST of the content of your posts -- deleted for the sake of true debate and dialogue.]

close the comments
Charolette nailed it.

Obama the muslim
Obama the muslim is a socialist and a dumb one at that. By useing his vast experience in goverment ( 122 Hours as a senator ) If you want to have a real laught go to Thomas and see what bills he sponcered, What a joke. Take a look at his voting record and see that he is the wacko liberial that everyone thinks he is.
One thing his election will do is destroy our Nation. This is not his nation, he diden't grow in America. He does not know what it means to be a American.

qualifications needed to be president
are listed in the constitution!

And yes the Constitution is a living document!
Is it still being used?
Yes = living document
No = dead document (i.e. all those new books being written in Latin)

A cell phone security case will tell you that it is a living document
applied to new circumstances and practices - same words, new
interpretations as needed.
The way people use "living" with the Constitution is often an
incorrect one - interesting for people trying so hard to have
words interpreted correctly!!!

You might be a liberal if...
You scream, "RACISM," any time a legitimate question is raised about Obama. Or, to play off of #44, YOU might just be a racist.

You might be a liberal if...
you play the abortion card in order to win a petty argument.

You might be a liberal if...
you use too many exclamation points in your posts. Try using a period now and then.

You might be a liberal if...
your handle is

Sugary Sweet

but you sound more like

Bitter Betty

or

Hysterical Henrietta

everyonesfacts
Now there you go again -- silly liberal. Are there any absolutes in your world other than liberals are always right? You can't throw out one of the primary rules of interpretation to suit your own ideology. A document or letter can NOT be interpreted to mean anything other than what the writer(s) intended for it to mean. Also, your definitions of living and dead make zero sense. Something is not alive just because it is being used nor is something dead do to its not being used. Is your brain dead whenever you decide not to use it? Whoops, better question: was it ever alive?

everyonesfacts
You might be a liberal if...
1. You even read the NY Times

2. You actually believe what you read in the NY Times

3. You use what you have read in the NY Times to support an argument

Sugary Sweet
I bet you got your name from your flowery language.

First of all, the congress authorized the president to use force in Afganistan and Iraq. Now, if congress thinks it is unconstitutional, then they should have the guts to cut off funding.

I will, however, agree with you on a broad topic. The government is far larger and yeilds more power than what is constitutional. In the recent past, the Republicans share as much blame as the Dems for this problem.

Sugary Sweet
I will also agree with you about the miserable failure that is called public education. My children will never sit under the indoctrinational teachings of that mess. In fact no child should have to attend these holes of social conditioning.

Sugary Sweet
Actually, in reviewing some of your postings, we might agree on many more things than disagree.

HANOI JOHN VISITS ILLEGAL ALIEN HANGOUT
SEE -

"JOHN KERRY VISITS ILLEGAL ALIEN HANGOUT" on youtube.

2 Patriots

1 Camera

Multiple Kerry Hacks

and HANOI JOHN.

Straw Man
Your column would be a perfect example of the logical fallacy known as the "straw man." You establish liberals' beliefs with the intention that conservatives will find them ridiculous, but in fact, they ARE ridiculous because you've phrased them that way.

Take your last statement:
"You think kids in public schools should have to watch Earth in the Balance and read Heather Has Two Mommies, but no piece of literature with the word "Jesus" on it should be allowed within a hundred yards of a school."

Show me one person. ONE PERSON on a prominent liberal website, or hell, even a lowly blogger like myself, who has said that we should read those 2 particular books and ban all books that have "Jesus" in them.

You're absurd. I hope you're not getting paid to write this drivel.

http://progressivejew.blogspot.com/

Excellent

Great article John!

Cuts through the BS and goes strait to the heart of the matter. This will p-off the libs because the truth really does hurt.

Well done!

You just might be a liberal
if you don't get any of this.

You ARE a
damn liberal if you live off the fruits of others

You might be a liberal if.....
you think Larry Craig trying to hit on his neighbor in an airport bathroom stall is indisputable proof of supposedly widespread Republican Party corruption while Bill Clinton's tryst with an intern in the White House, John Edwards' unfaithfulness to a cancer-stricken spouse, Edward Kennedy's role in the drowning of a young woman in a boozy rendezvous, the running of a prostitution ring out of Barney Frank's home, and William Jefferson's "cold cash" are of course no reflection whatsoever on Democratic Party mores.

You might be a Libertarian...
If you are capable of arguing both sides of this thread at the same time. Oh! And your screen name is Sugary Sweet.

Reason # 26
You want to remake humanity and relish the power which the attempt would confer on you.

You also might be a liberal if...
you mutualize the behaviors of perpetrators and victims, and you think sociopaths care how they make someone else feel. The liberal mediation programs in schools tend to treat all situations as of they are "disagreements to be worked out"; even if the one party was walking down the hall and was pushed down the stairs by an unknown assailant! This happened during our summer programs- two boys were sent to me for "mediation". One was pushed down the stairs by the other because he was from another school but was attending our summer program- the boys did not know each other. The principle thought they should "work it out".

Well, I asked the boy who was pushed if he had anything to say to the boy who pushed him, and he did- "You're a sick mf'er". I thought that was fine, so let that boy go back about his business- he was NOT the problem and I would NOT detain him over something he didn't instigate. I spent quite a bit if time with Mr. Pusher though, who felt very cheated because he missed the water games. Luckily, my principle knows how I am and does not demand that I comply with the mutual conflict template, which is entirely sick when applied to victim/perp scenarios, which it often is in liberal hands.

Oh dear!
I used the wrong form of "principal"! Bah!

You might be a liberal if
I've been reading postings for 1 month now, I found them informative and it has helped me make my decision politically.
This is my first response...The name calling and abuse going back and forth is not going to change any one's mind or be informative to folks looking for answers like I am.
I am an independent conservative and found today's article hysterical. We all need to laugh at ourselves on both sides and share facts. An open mind learns, a closed mind is stagnant and boring.
Barack Obama is a very scary person and I have come to this conclusion by actively looking at him and his record.
You are all well informed, use it to teach and not tear each other apart

Poll on liberals
So are liberals
a) just plain stupid
b) totally evil
c) deluded by atheism
d) all of the above
e) something else

You might be a liberal if...
#26, You're in denial that Russia is telling Poland that they're considering a nuclear attack.
#27 That Russia is making military moves on US allies
#28 you don't see that Congress is on vacation while Russia is returning into the worlds view with military displays of power
#29 you have your rose colored glasses on

MSNBC
Yesterday I thought I was watching an Obama campaign add, but it just would not end. Turns out it was MSNBC.

sugary sweet
what a bitter old man you must be. you seem to hate everyone that does not believe the way you do. i say man because the only women i know who have such potty mouths are illiterate and could not afford a computer to make posts. no offense gentlemen. i hope you are not a teacher.
i must NOT be a liberal because i don't hate everyone who does not think the way i do. i thought these posts were supposed to be discussions, not rantings. sorry, my mistake.. now you can come back and say something nasty to and about me.. i can take it.

Ignorance Is Not Funny, It Is Dangerous
This country is in real danger if we allow ignorant people control our destiny.
Look at the communist countries that became communists through ignorance of Communism.
It is sad when free people cannot trust each other to keep us free.

bravo shannon
you are right on. with few exceptions there are some very intelligent peoople on these posts. you have to sort through to see which ones they are. most are very good. shame those so full of hatred are here to. we can always learn from those that put forth a decent, convincing thought.

Hawkins: You Go!
John, keep writing. All the best!

Democrats are For Freedom of Speech

Obama, Liberals and Democrats claim they are heavily invested in defending 'Freedom of Speech'.

Democrats are for free speech unless you want to bring relief to 'High Gas Prices' to struggling Americans. Speaker Pelosi will turn off the lights, air-conditioning and microphones.

Democrats are for free speech unless you criticize Michelle Obama or Prophet Obama - that is 'unacceptable'.

Democrats are for free speech unless you do NOT use 'Politically Correct' speech - that is 'bigoted'.

Democrats are for free speech unless you are a conservative talk show host - that is NOT 'fair'.

Democrats are for free speech unless you say Obama-Messiah is naive - that is 'racist'.

Democrats are for free speech unless you say Obamunism would destroy the American Economy - that is 'antipathy'.

Democrats are for free speech unless you criticize Michelle Obama on her vow to support the black community "first and foremost" that is 'unacceptable'.

Democrats are for free speech unless you say that Islamic schools should not be on Government property - that is 'xenophobic'.

Democrats are for free speech unless you think sexual deviates are NOT normal - that is 'homophobic'.

Democrats are for free speech unless you say women are beautiful and delightful creatures - that is 'misogyny'.

Democrats are for free speech unless you teach your children to fear God - that is 'child abuse'.

Democrats are for free speech unless you use a satirical cartoon depicting the Obamas in all of their glory - that is all of the above.

Two more Hawkins can add
This is for mrbmrb.

If you find moral equivalence between Russia's unilateral, imperialistic invasion of Georgia to gain control of a crucial Caspian Sea oil pipeline and the invasion of Iraq by a coalition of nations to re-assert the terms of the 1991 Gulf War ceasfire, you just might be a liberal.

Also, if you can't find Russia, Georgia, and/or the Caspian Sea on a map you were probably educated in a liberal public school where world maps only show places called Utopia, Xanadu, and Cuba.


I love Hawkins
I was afraid TH had bumped him for the terrible columns he writes. But thankfully they did not. His silly rants and attacks on "Liberals" are almost as entertaining as the people who respond to them.

You go girl!!!

Comedy is serious - sometimes!
This article made me laugh at first, and then I cried because comedy is sometimes presents very serious stuff! Read each one of these again in light of our country, our Constitution, and our Bill of Rights. Then throw in the history of the world and see what you think!

You're a liberal if......
* You read an article, and post comments totally irrelevant to said article.
*You throw around words like neocon or fascist without having the first inkling to their actual definitions.
*You complain about the tremendous increase in the cost of government under Bush (agreed), but you're so intellectually dishonest that you won't admit that you and all the leftist politicians were complaining that it still wasn't enough (ie. the homeless will become legion, etc.).
*You think the term "equity" in taxation means "progressive" taxation.
*You think communism/marxism/socialism is pure Utopia, but it hasn't been instituted properly and that you could do it so much better.
*You paint moderate presidential candidates like McCain as extremists, as your party continues to nominate the most ideologically strident, inflexible, partisan candidates.

Hey, Pablo
Those "silly rants" you mention are the perfect example that illustrates the fact that most liberals just don't get it.

Woody from Iowa

A couple more you might bes.........
*You're probably a liberal if you sniff and whine about the Constitution, but have actually never read it, and think that it's a "living, breathing" document, anyway.
*You throw around platitudes about the Founding Fathers without realizing they would roll over in their graves at the thought of your vision of this country.
*You blanch at the thought that some government bureaucrat might find out what books you borrowed from the library, but you have absolutely no problem with the government stealing someones time and money by increasing/adding taxes.

You might be a liberal...
if your name is John Hawkins. And there is an entire archive of articles to prove that point.

great column!
a brilliant expose of liberal hypocrisy.

Hilarious Op-Ed
What a kick in the crotch to the leftist! And even funnier to watch the left respond by spinning around and spitting like the robot "Ash" from Aliens.

PS #46 understands the nature of a constitution.

Boogery Sweat
Wow, Hawkins article deeply offended you. It's pretty obvious with your wishy washy rants you keep throwing at the conservatives here.

If I were a militant liberal like you and read this article, I'd be very embarrassed and ashamed of myself too.

But then again, if I were a militant liberal like you, I would put that shame I should feel on the shelf and lock it away, and bash and personally attack anyone I could to put myself back on that invisible pedestal I created out of thin air. Deny, deflect, deny, deflect.

You're a credit to your party.

Right-ON!
Outstanding piece. Thanks.

Addition to my 8:10 post
#30..If you think NAZI Pelosi is right for wanting to deplete our National Strategic Oil Reserve and it'll save the planet..

You Might Be a Liberal

You Might Be a Liberal if you think Global Warming is caused by the 'Extra Hour of Sunshine' through Day Light Saving Time.

You Might Be a Liberal if you think the NASA Sun Lander should 'Land at Night' on the Sun to protect sensitive equipment.

You Might Be a Liberal if you think a Tire Gauge will 'Save the Planet'.

You Might Be a Liberal if you march in a 'Abortion Rights' parade because 'Your Mother' couldn't get an Abortion.

You Might Be a Liberal if you think 'Diversity' equals 'Unity'.

You Might Be a Liberal if you think "Self determination = Government clients".

You Might Be a Liberal if you think 'Freedom of Speech' means the 'Freedom' to agree with Barack Obama.

You Might Be a Liberal if you think that morality is relative and there is no such thing as absolute good and evil.

Creative!
That was a creative and funny way to look at the differences between liberals and conservatives. Credit to Hawkins for a creative way of covering topics that have already been discussed to death.

(By the way, I suspect a liberal might be able to come up with a 'You Might Be A Conservative..." version, and I would actually like to see it. It's good to look at the differences side by side and see if we're being internally consistent.

You're a Redneck if..
This reminds me of Jeff Foxworthy's comedy skit "you're a redneck if you...". Somebody should do a skit with these points on liberalism.

A few of the points are a stretch, but most are right on the money.

You migght be a kiberal
if you believe that the Kyoto Treaty will actually reduce air pollution.

if you believe that Obugout will only raise taxes on the wealthy

if you believe that universal government run health care will actually not leadto rationing.

if you believe that the Heller Decision can be avoided.

if you believe that Wee Willie Weinie Wagger's impeachment was about blow jobs in the Oval Office

Bumper Stickers for Obama

You might be a Liberal if you have one or more of these 'Bumper Stickers' on your car.

[Obama, no substance; what's not to like?]

[Victims for Obama - '08]

[Obama - Hope for Hamas - 08]

[Vote Obama or you’re a racist!]

[Feeling Guilty - Obama '08]

[Make your last vote count! - Obama '08]

[vote with your heart, not with your head - Obama '08]

[Nine out of ten racist preachers agree - Obama '08]

[Ask not what your Country needs - Obama '08]

[Tired of too much money and success? - Obama '08]

[Communist Party USA - Obama '08]

[Support Racism - Obama '08]

[Defeat BAIPA - Obama '08']

[Black Separatism - Obama '08]

[Marxists for Obama '08]

[Wealth Redistribution - Obama '08]

Retired Geek
Love your additions. Funny thing is, I don't think it's possible to exhaust the possibilities in describing liberals.

Keep 'em coming!

You might be a liberal if...
you used to call your self a CONSERVATIVE, LIBERTARIAN, INDEPENDENT, or a REPUBLICAN

BUT

YOU PLAN TO VOTE FOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA in November.

Don't kid yourself - you are a LIBERAL

John McCain is a Republican in Name Only
John McCain is just as liberal as Barack Obama.

He's gone back and forth on Bush's tax cuts.

McCain wants to open the borders!

McCain is in the pocket of big business. Remember the Keating Five?

The only true conservative left is Bob Barr.

Bob Barr and the libertarian party will get the governement out of our lives and let people be free to determine what's best for themselves.

Bob Barr is the only cnadidate who respects the U.S. Constitution.

You can show the two partys that we're not going to be forced to choose a liberal for president like John McCain.

Vote for Bob Barr in 2008


Great Article
Hilarious but true right down the line

AHH Reply #41
Interesting you would compare a "living constitution" to a "living mortgage." That is exactly how liberals view mortgages, that borrowers shouldn't have to suffer the negative consequences (namely foreclosure), just because they didn't live up to their end of the deal, despite wasting thousands of dollars loaned to them with no hope of being able to repay.

You might be a liberal if you think my 4-year-old's favorite excuse of "I didn't know" should be valid in a contract you signed or a court of law.

You might be a liberal if...
you get on TH to promote BOB BARR by exclusivley attacking John McCain but not OBAMBIE.

BOB BARR supporters are really LIBERALS who secretly want OBAMBIE to win but want PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY when he does.

BOB BARR won't win GEORGIA. He'll be lucky to win his own precinct.

You Might be a Conservative

You might be a Conservative if you are a Liberal who was 'Mugged Yesterday'.

You might be a Conservative if you do NOT suffer from 'Arrested Emotional Development'.

You might be a Conservative if you use 'Facts, Logic and Reason' to make decisions.

You might be a Conservative if you think you are responsible for your own decisions and actions.

You might be a Conservative if you think 'Killing Babies' is evil.

You might be a Conservative if you think American Citizens should be able to own property.

You might be a Conservative if you think you should be able to leave what you have worked for your entire life to your children.

You might be a Conservative if you think 'Marriage' should be between a man and a woman.

You might be a Conservative if you think Homosexuals already have the same rights of other American Citizens to marry someone of the opposite sex.

You might be a Conservative if you think EVERY American Citizen should have the same rights and protections under the US Constitution and Bill of Rights - no more - no less.

You might be a Conservative if you think that you are NOT a part of a 'Collective Group' but an individual.

You might be a Conservative if you think 'Hate Crime' is an oxymoron.

Retired Geek - IROTFLMAO
Landing on the sun at night to protect sensitive equipment. Just too funny.

Sugary Sweet
Wow, you really haven't checked out many of those topics have you?

"How about DOUBLING the DOE?
How about undeclared war on Iraq?
How about using the U.S. armed forces to enforce UN resolution?
How about continuing to fund the MANY, MANY unconstitutional activities the fedgovt engages in (nearly EVERYTHING it does)?
Drug war?
Social security?
MASSIVELY expanding medicare?
Foreign aid to Israel and Pakistan (actually ALL foreign aid)?
Failing to protect us from the Mexican invasion?
Failing to repeal ALL federal gun laws?"

DOE needs out, but what was unconstitutional?

Undeclared war? What did congress vote 77-23 on then?

Is that unconstitutional? I would see that as war with allies, but thats just me. This isn't to say I support how he did things, but it wasn't unconstitutional.

"MANY, MANY unconstitutional activities the fedgovt engages in" Are you talking about government in general or this administration? Perhaps you should clear that up as BDS seems to rule your life.

Drug war? SS? Umm...yea, republicans have tried to get rid of those and liberals block both.

etc etc...they are all the same reasonings.

You are just made at government...not conservatives. If actual conservatives had their way most of those things mentioned above would be fixed. You forget that the President does not introduce bills, congress does. Reagan did his best, but he had a liberal congress to work with and he had to work with them. I think you need to research what each side of the isle is all about.

NEWS FLASH - Obama Creating Jobs

This just in "Experts say that Obama will make an announcement soon that 'Air America' will be replaced with 'Ears America' which will broadcast the Obama speeches 24/7."

Some experts believe the move was due to the demands of "wipers" who are demanding more jobs".

The "wiper" industry has flourished with Obama followers who go into involuntary orgasms while listening to Obama prophesy about 'Hope' and 'Change' need wiping.

"'Wiper' spokesperson said the 24/7 broadcasts of Obama speeches brings 'Hope' to the 'wiping' industry as thousands of jobs will be created."

The 'wipers' industry spokesman has just released an emergency hot line number for those listening to 'Ears America'.

dial INE-EDW-IPED or I NEED WIPED

operators are standing by.

Para hablar en Espanol Oprime el Numero Uno
Press 2 For English

You might be a liberal IF...............
Is very funny and for 80% of it, is right on the money. Some is not.
Medicare support is not being liberal, it is being a true Christian, and doing unto others as you would have them do unto you. But Matthew said it best, Matthew 6:24: "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth."
Medicare falls into this reasoning, as does Social Security for if you praise the '$', then you cannot truely serve God. Money is just that money, If you are a true believer in God, he will reward your kindness ten fold, if you truely believe in him.
I fully agree with the rest of the claims and would add two more to the list. Homeland Security, which is a joke unto its self, as is the TSA.

As much as
Retired Geek
Location: VA

Reply # 110
Date: Aug 15, 2008 - 9:48 AM EST Subject: You Might be a Conservative
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Bob Barr
Bob Barr and the other libertarians are not conservatives unless your definition of conservatism is to ignore everything that occurs outside the borders of the US and to allow friendly countries to be overrun by radical Islam, Communists, or whatever other threat they face. The world is too small for us to live in isolation, and the concept that we need to do nothing until we are invaded is myopic.

I know some will yell "Neocon." I'm not sure exactly what a neocon is. On these pages,it often seems to be a code word used by anti-Semites. All I know is that the US is a world superpower and must continue that role to avoid world-wide anarchy.

As much as I hate to say it.............
Retired Geek
Location: VA

Reply # 110
Date: Aug 15, 2008 - 9:48 AM EST Subject: You Might be a Conservative .....................
oops
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That was a good one Geek.
So even though you will not except it, that is worth a five kudoz to you there.
Very nice post and exactly correct.

Just ignore
Sugary Sweet. She wrecks every decent blog with her ant-ridden syrup.

You might be a liberal
Oh so many good thoughts. I think I've met them all. They follow like sheep.

If you jump Parties your nothing........
Charles
Location: PA

Reply # 117
Date: Aug 15, 2008 - 10:26 AM EST Subject: Bob Barr
Bob Barr and the other libertarians are not conservatives
.............................................
Here here Charles, are you calling Bob Barr a traitorist pig sucker, frog flomper.
And what is a NEOCON, it certainly does not stand for anything I know, but hey, I took ten years to abbriviate the days of the week.
Neo means new or now in archiology and con means to trick or be a trickster, so I guess a neocon is a new trickster instead of and old dog.
Yep it must be some alien, not of this earth code for those that love to sling insults at others, and then giggle like little girls is the closet.
What did I want to say, 'Oh yeah, if you drop out of the GOP because you dislike its choice of candidate, then you must A) Think you Sh1t don't stink, B) Believe you are better than everyone else, C) Never was a GOP supporter, just a user and D) Must hate everyone else that is not exactly like you.
Which could include, hair shade of colour, skin tone, height, weight, church affiliation, income, shoes, pants, car, side of the bed you sleep on, etc. etc. etc.
Do you really want to follow such a narrow minded shallow person?

#26
You measure government size by spending, not by the number of aspects of your life it has power over.

what is the point?
What is the point of a list like this. To the degree it is accurate it is pointless because liberals are not going to be offended by it, and there are no arguments to suggest they shoudl be. And to the degree it is inaccurate, it is pointless because it just makes you look like an idiot for having such a poor understanding of what liberals actually think.

Given the length of the list, it seems to accomplish the worst of both of these. The many items that misunderstand what liberals believe make Hawkins look like a simpleton. And the lack of arguments against those positions that liberals do believe make Hawkins look like a simpleton. And so, the reader has little reason to react with anything but "what a simpleton." Was that the point?

You might be a liberal
Oh so many good thoughts. I think I've met them all. They follow like sheep.

Sugary Sweet
I think you need to lie down. haha

Things you label there are things conservatives stand for. Why are you up in our grill? How often have you heard conservatives on here say they agree with everything Bush has done? How often do you hear us say Iraq was a great war to get into?

You sound like a raving lunatic and you should give it a rest. My gosh.

Sugary Sweet CA, who said this..........
ALL federal agencies/programs (INCLUDING social security and medicare) not SPECIFICALLY authorized by the constitution should be abolished.

Sheels1 or you and what in he** is neocon?

sugary sweet
1. I abhor the UN and would remove all support immediately. Involvement of the US in international affairs does not require the UN.

2. I want the smallest government possible. However, I believe that national defense is one of the few legitimate functions of the federal government.

2. You are so consumed by your prejudices that you could not resist proving my point about anti-Semitism. If I were Jewish, I would be personally offended. As it is, I just find people like you who always blame the Jews disgusting.

A short quiz
You're a member of the dying wing of the Republican party if: You believe this cartoon version of what a liberal believes. Seriously, that's some commie's in the woodshed crazy...

Sugary Sweet
Besides that one tiny, itsy, bitsy, Orwellian dept...what a joke!

How about DOUBLING the DOE?
That's called "Providing for the Common Defense".

How about undeclared war on Iraq?
Did you forget the use of force authorization?

How about using the U.S. armed forces to enforce UN resolution? To the Democrats, the U.N. IS God.


How about continuing to fund the MANY, MANY unconstitutional activities the fedgovt engages in (nearly EVERYTHING it does)?
Can we say FDR & LBJ; both Democrats?

Drug war? I'm for legalizing and taxing it.

Social security? FDR started it & LBJ expanded it and allowed the SSN funds to be raided; oh i'm sorry, "Borrowed From" the fund; both Democrats.

MASSIVELY expanding medicare? Another LBJ Program and Al Gore wanted to expand it even further than Bush did.

Foreign aid to Israel and Pakistan (actually ALL foreign aid)? Foreign aid to the good guys(Israel) not to the bad guys(Pakistan).

Failing to protect us from the Mexican invasion?
Agree with you there.

Failing to repeal ALL federal gun laws?
Definately agree with you there.

Need I go on?

Does not make sense Sugar...............
A short definition of "neocon" for you:

Israel-firster, big govt and globalist Republicans.....................................
Maybe IFBGAGR or GRIFABG, but not neocon, no sense to it.
How about sidesaddle for Democrats, SImplely DElususional SADistic Dems LEberials, no misspells Liberal, Hummmmm
Oh Oh I got it SuSCADL, Sugary Sweet CA Democrat Liberal. That is it.
Your a liberal Dem and afraid of us beg bad wolf Republicans. Oh Hunny bunny so thought full of you. Why not come to Ohio and well eat you over diner Ha ha ha.
Go pester Obama and Nancy for a bit.

More
You might be a liberal if you think rebranding yourself as "progressive" will impress anyone other than a fellow liberal.

You might be a liberal if you think the opposite of pro-life is anything other than pro-death.

You might be a liberal if pro-choice applies to everything except school vouchers and talk radio.

You might be a liberal if you think John McCain is conservative.

Sugary Sweet and neocon............
I was afraid you broke our code, but glad you did not.
By the way, why hate us when you sound so much like many of us.
As for Gun ownership every citizen should own at least one, just for principal. As for foreign aide, I think haveing to buy the crap that is sold here, is enough Foreign aid for me.
Social Security, I look at it like unforeign aid to less fortunate Americans and is a good thing, a Christian thing.
Large Military Budget, keeps those bogey men away that haunt you California Girls. Booo

Degeneration......
.
What a lousy series of posts. And only a couple of footer tooters to keep the rest of you answering their stupidities.

Oh, fug it...

Katz said it all
Bravo, Katz. A neat summary of what's wrong with Oblahblahma and his nasty wife, and a good hit with your definition of liberal. Wish I could have done as well. Bravissimo!

Yep! Rednecks exist ya'll
As a modified parody of Jeff Foxworthy this might get a grade of C in school. As a scary thought about how the brain-mushed liberals in this country think, it should get an A. Plus it should include a line that equates texaschuck with a daydreaming, off-topic idiot with no sense of humor (liberal).

You might be a liberal if you can't stand someone painting your portrait just like we see you.

You might be a liberal if you blog off topic.

You might be a liberal if you have to revert to hating George Bush whenever you blog (talk/think/eat/breath).

You might be a liberal if you think not drilling means you don't have a dental appointment.

You might be a liberal if you think you can use wind or solar energy to reduce the cost of gasoline or jet fuel.

You might be a liberal if you think BO is a smelly arm pit.

Yep! These rednecks really exist. Just watch Washington politicians.

Just say no to BO!

Hey Shuga...
I'm not sure if you're Robert, tr, philo, or any one of dozens of trolls who insist on coming back like melanoma even when you're banned, but your defiance of the site owners probably coincides with your overall lack of respect for America in general.
Until you grow a little and concede that meaningful dialog won't happen if you aren't willing to play by the rules, expect to be flagged without reading by the adults until your new handle gets banned as well.
Eventually Townhall will peg down your IP address and will send the cops over to arrest your butt the same way the "RNC Welcoming Committee" members are going to wind up in 5X5 foot chain-link cubbys with taser-wielding police officers insuring that your free speech doesn't violate mine.
Attitude is not a virtue.

You might be a Liberal.....
Brilliant. I'll be passing this on!

Right on all accounts.
If a liberal read this, he still would not comprehend any of it.

You might be a liberal if...
...you think handing condoms to 11-year-olds will keep them from having sex.

...you think prison sentences for convicted pedophiles constitutes "cruel and unusual punishment".

...you think "public schools need more money" and "public school teachers are underpaid" even though the average private school costs half as much as we spend on public schools yet private schools produce far more learned students.

...you think National SOCIALISM is a right wing ideology.

...your head explodes when someone answers "William Remmington" to your question of "Name just one person who was convicted on spying related charges as a result of McCarthy's 'witch hunt'?"

...you think that just because the statute of limitations expired before Hillary Clinton was convicted that means she really didn't have anything to do with Whitewater.

...you nodded your head in agreement when the enviro-Nazis said that the real reason DDT needs to be banned is because it would be an "effective form of population control" in Africa.

...you agree with the Ku Klux Klan in thinking that a "separation between church and state" is vital to freedom in the United States.

...you simultaneously think that both high gas prices and drilling for more oil are bad.

...you are unable to think of a SINGLE perceived or real problem on this planet that Bush is somehow responsible for.

hey texas chuck
you may have posted in the wrong article. anyhoo, very funny write up, sending it out.

Who get it?
Lon gets it. His Reply #123 says everything worth saying about this article.

And more of the same


You must be a liberal if you don’t believe that OBamBam held his speech in Berlin in front of a Phallic symbol, with thousands of white women in the audience, because all Blacks want to rape a white woman.

If you don’t believe that, read Bob Herbert, in the Numb Jerk Slimes.

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You might be a liberal if you think that what you think should be forced on everyone.

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You might be a liberal if you see only what you believe.

You might be a conservative if you believe only what you see.

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You might be a liberal if you can’t get the joke in a list of serious liberal defects.


Correction:
"...you are unable to think of a SINGLE perceived or real problem on this planet that Bush is somehow responsible for."

Supposed to be:

"...you are unable to think of a SINGLE perceived or real problem on this planet that Bush ISN'T somehow responsible for."

Hey Lon
Name JUST ONE item in the list that is NOT a true and accurate picture of how a liberal "thinks". Go ahead, kiddo, I dare you!

The best discription of libs verus cons.
All anyone needs to know about the difference between liberals and conservatives in the United States is this:

Conservatives think with their brains.

Liberals think with their genitals.

Nuff said.

You might be a liberal
if you think there is no difference between Obama and McCain and conclude that Bob barr is worthy of your vote for President.

This column is really lame. Shows how bored I am.

Watch the DNC Convention in Denver

The DNC will hold their 'dementia' parade this summer on August 25, led by the Liberal elitists.

Farrakhan and Dennis Kucinch will lead the 'tin foil' hats that visit with aliens - they will hold a flashlight in each hand shining them on their hats singing "This Foil Hat of Mine, I like to make it shine".

These represent the very best intellectuals of the DNC and make them proud.

The gay clowns will follow resplendent in their costumes along with the 'sadists' and their 'masochistic' followers complete with dog collars and chains that will cause a hush in the crowds when they realize that they are in the prescence of Liberal nobility.

The Memphis 'rape' dance team will perform cheered loudly by the NEA members and school Principals.

Twenty minutes has been set aside for a standing applause when the NAMBLA contingent arrives.

Obama will speak of prophetic visions of hope and change while Obama-ites begin to faint all over the building with followers experiencing 'leg shivers' and involuntary 'orgasms'. Orgasm wipes will be handed out by the thousands while they chant "Yes We Can" and scream I love you Obama.

MSM teams will have multiple backups for when the unbiased reporters faint or have leg shivers or involuntary orgasms,

Tickets are going fast - get yours today!

Para hablar en Espanol, Oprime el numero uno
Press 2 for English

NOTE: Mentor Wright will lead a section in the audience screaming "God Damn America" in seven different languages

Proof....
that Zerobama is going to inflict serious damage on America if he is elected.

When asked by an interviewer why he would raise capital gains taxes when historically the treasury gets less revenue when that happens, Zerobama replied, "For Fairness."

That guy is dumber than a sack of hammers!

ONE ITEM TOO MANY

MR. HAWKINS: As one who is not of your political persuasion, gotta admit you had some good items in today's column, "You Might Be a Liberal, If..." But you don't do your side a favor when you write:

"You might be a liberal if....'You're worried that Osama Bin Laden might not get a fair trial if we capture him, but want George Bush thrown in prison for being too zealous in protecting us from Al-Qaeda.'"

"IF" we capture bin Laden? IF? Are you aware you're writing this SEVEN YEARS after bin Laden and his terrorists KILLED THREE THOUSAND PEOPLE on our soil? Seven years after Pres. Bush vowed repeatedly to get 'bin Laden "dead or alive"?

How "zealous" can Pres. Bush be about "protecting us from al Qaeda" when, despite Mr. Bush's public declarations, the mass murderer universally considered the force behind the 9/11 attacks is STILL at large, STILL recruiting terrorists and STILL threatening to annihilate the United States?

How "zealous" can Pres. Bush be about "protecting us from al Qaeda, when during a press conference six months after promising to get bin Laden "dead or alive," Mr. Bush declared to the world that "I am truly not concerned about him (bin Laden)?"

In essence, Pres. Bush, who repeatedly tells us it's his "solemn duty" to protect America and Americans, has allowed 9/11 mass murderer bin Laden not only to go unpunished, but to remain free to plan more catastrophic terrorist attacks upon the United States.

Can you think of a better reason for wanting George W. Bush "thrown into prison"?

You might just be an idiot if
You think voting for Bab Barr is not a vote for The "one" BHO.

nmi
You are aware that Whitey Bulger is still at large. He's been on the FBI's "most wanted" list since at least the Reagan administration.

So, basically, you are also suggesting that Bill Clinton needs to join Bush in prison, right?

Oh, and just so you know: Adolf Hitler was also never found. There were reports of his suicide, of course, yet his body was never produced. Should Truman have also been remanded to a prison?

You forgot one
You might be a liberal if you have no idea what this column is saying because you have absolutely no critical thinking skills.

Put your URL where you mouth is
John could you please include URLs for the numbers you have stated, without proof of your document becomes nothing more than one-person bitchaing about another, I also find some number you stated to be misleading. I.e. “You know that 86% of all income taxes are paid by the top 25% of income earners and you still feel that the rich "aren't paying their fair share of the taxes”

You neglect to say the top 25% of wage earners in America are making $64,402 if I made 65k a year I would not think of my self being rich, I would imagine that number 65k would be middle income. I found my information @ http://www.kiplinger.com/features/archives/2007/11/taxrank .html

John again could you please go back and give us readers proof of the facts you have noted in this document

PLEASE, Mr. Hawkins:
learn the difference between profit per gallon and profit as a percent of gross revenues. A profit margin of 8.3 % mean 8.3 cents on every dollar. At $4 a gallon for gas, that would be about 33 cents profit per gallon of gas sold.

I've heard a number of commentors make the same mistake.

Sloppy errors like this give people an excuse to disregard your overall assertions (most of which I found to be pretty on-spot.)

PANDORA
Prepare for the ignorant and the insipid to respond with pacification.

Remember what a hippie peace march results in.

I agree
Shannon
Location: NY

Reply # 72
Date: Aug 15, 2008 - 7:44 AM EST You might be a liberal if
I've been reading postings for 1 month now, I found them informative and it has helped me make my decision politically.
This is my first response...The name calling and abuse going back and forth is not going to change any one's mind or be informative to folks looking for answers like I am.
I am an independent conservative and found today's article hysterical. We all need to laugh at ourselves on both sides and share facts. An open mind learns, a closed mind is stagnant and boring.
Barack Obama is a very scary person and I have come to this conclusion by actively looking at him and his record.
You are all well informed, use it to teach and not tear each other apart

Now that was a pretty funny post

Retired Geek
Location: VA

Reply # 143
Date: Aug 15, 2008 - 12:23 PM EST Subject: Watch the DNC Convention in Denver

Thoughtfulman
You stated, "You think it's obscene that oil companies are allowed to make 8.3 cents per gallon in profit with gas prices this high, but would never suggest cutting the 13 cents per gallon they pay on taxes to reduce the price of gas."

When what Hawkins actually was stating is that they make 8.3 Cents of every gallon sold.

He wasn't talking Percentages or Profit Margins

Actually if I remember the numbers correctly most of the oil companies LIVE on a PROFIT MARGIN of somewhere around 11 to thirteen percent....that isn't relative to the cost of a gallon of gasoline. It is relative to how much they pay for a barrel of oil....after figuring in the processing and transportation costs.

If I sell hundreds of millions of gadgets, regardless of how much they cost me and my profit margin is ten percent, I only PROFIT by ten percent...that ten percent could equal hundreds of trillions.

If I operate on a profit margin of 50% which I do in my business...my PROFITS are still measured by how many widgets I sell....I HAVE to replace the widgets..

Off topic
"You might be a liberal if you have to revert to hating George Bush whenever you blog (talk/think/eat/breath)."

After reading this comment I had a flashback. I was on the internet a few years ago and I was reading a blog review of "It's a Wonderful life." The second-half of the review was nothing but an anti-Bush rant.

One of the readers in the comments section had to remind the blogger that Capra was a Republican and against FDR.

PRESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTABILITY

For BEOWULFE (12:59 post, in response to my 12:36 post):

To answer your questions, I have no reservations about holding ANY AND ALL Presidents accountable for their failures, if only to set an example for future Presidents.

I was and still am responding to Jack Hawkin's item in his column: "You're a liberal if...'You're worried that Osama Bin Laden might not get a fair trial if we capture him, but want George Bush thrown in prison for being too zealous in protecting us from Al-Qaeda'."

Hawkins' words are a red-flag statement and should be addressed. The fact remains that if Pres. Bush was "zealous" about protecting us from al Qaeda, he would have long ago fulfilled his promise to get bin Laden "dead or alive.' And certainly so soon after vowing to get Osama bin Laden, Pres. Bush never would have said he was no longer concerned about getting bin Laden, universally acknowledged as the force behnd the deadly 9/11 attacks which left 3,000 dead on our soil.


You might be a liberal if..
...you think failed public schools are from a lack of federal funding.

...Islamic Terrorist is a synonym for another man's Freedom Fighter.

...killing a child in the womb is okay, but polar bears should be federally protected. Chopping down a tree and eating a hamburger is also intolerable.

...saying "phag" is hate speech, defecating on the flag is freedom of speech.

...You believe Micheal Moore makes "real documentaries".

...You think your own personal brand of logic is infallible.

...You cheer for American casualties so you can say "war is bad, mmk?", bring credibility to the expired hippy movement and perpetuate the idea that leaving Vietnam at the time was a good idea.

...You believe in global warming, 911 conspiracies, free masons, etc. but, think people who believe in God are childish.

...You hate being white, particularly if your male.

...You believe in government charity through taxation, but wouldn't give your own money privately.

...You believe Iraq is an non-winnable quagmire, but you can save the entire planet by using less toilet paper.

...You reluctantly agree Hitler, Stalin & Mao were anti-religious Socialists, but still think Capitalism and religion are the most dangerous, evil things in this world.

...Jane Fonda is a patriot, the Pope is a Nazi.

...Think "sex" between two women, or two men, is the same as the pro-creative sex men and women engage in.

...You believe men and women are the same.

...You believe in multi-culturalism. Somehow, Americas success has NOTHING to do with its own unified culture.

...You believe diversity in skin color and sexual parts is good, but diversity in thought and ideas are bad.

...You look at the 60's with nostalgia for everything, not just the music.

Last
What scares me is 4 more years of republican rule, reinterpreting of the constitution, changing laws to circumvent their crimes, big brother getting ever bigger, a bloated government, runaway budget, going from surplus to bankruptcy in 8 years, I could go on but it just make me mad.

Sorry folks Ill be voting Democrat in this one.

Ron Paul 2008

You might be...
a liberal if you think talking with America's enemies will help the country more than talking with your own countrymen with whom you might disagree.

You might be a liberal if...
Marlson, you HIT the proverbial NAIL on the HEAD! Every one of your points was dead on, my friend. Thanks for your insight, we need more of it.

Bush's Reign
After eight years of the most conservative administration in U.S. history the movement is dead. The "permanent majority" is dead. The idea that conservatives can govern is dead. The notion that conservatives are fiscally responsible is dead.

After the Bush/Cheney/Neocon debacle conservatives will wander aimlessly for another 40 years.

Thank God!

Ethio
You are worried about big brother getting even bigger....but you want big government to take over healthcare and regulate what you can see and hear via the "fairness" doctrine?

We may want to add to this article that you may be a liberal if you don't even know what you are thinking.

nmi
You would have an argument about not capturing bin Laden if Bush were the one on the ground doing the hunting, or even directly in charge of the hunt. To imply that some oversight by Bush personally is the reason Osama has not beemn captured is a stretch at best.

The continual complaining about bin Laden still being on the loose is more a slander against the people who are on the ground looking for him than GW Bush.

Personally I prefered to look at the "if" in, "If he is captured", as in maybe they shoot his worthless hide instead of capturing him.

Sonny
Bush is not a conservative.

I repeat, Bush is not a conservative.

Neocon is a popular, but ambiguous, code word used by anti-Semites who want the US to roll over for radical Islam and Communist Russia and China.

So go vote for Obama or Bob Barr, which is one and the same.

Liberal Cognitive Dissonance
You might be a liberal suffering from cognitive dissonance (but I repeat myself) if you believe handing out condoms to 13 years olds on the theory that they wil "do it anyway," is sound reasoning, yet staunchly oppose handing out filtered cigarettes to these same teenagers - telling them they should just stop, or quit.


Where does the "buck" stop?

LEROY at 1:58 p.m. writes: "The continual complaining about bin Laden still being on the loose is more a slander against the people who are on the ground looking for him than GW Bush."


If, in fact, the people on the ground are, as you write, responsible for the fact that, after seven years, Pres. Bush has not fulfilled his promise to get bin Laden "dead or alive," it is up to the President to employ people who can get the job done.

Either way, as Chief Executive or Commander-in-Chief, re the failure to get mass murderer Osama bin Laden after seven years, the "buck" has to stop at the desk of the President.


Where does the "buck" stop?

LEROY at 1:58 p.m. writes: "The continual complaining about bin Laden still being on the loose is more a slander against the people who are on the ground looking for him than GW Bush."


If, in fact, the people on the ground are, as you write, responsible for the fact that, after seven years, Pres. Bush has not fulfilled his promise to get bin Laden "dead or alive," it is up to the President to employ people who can get the job done.

Either way, as Chief Executive or Commander-in-Chief, re the failure to get mass murderer Osama bin Laden after seven years, the "buck" has to stop at the desk of the President.


You Might be a Liberal
Not only is this article insightful and dead on, the typical cutesy name-calling comments by liberals completely devoid of rational thought skills or any ability to logically back up their opionions does nothing but totally prove your point.

Good job!

Osama (rhymes with Obama)
If Osama is hiding in caves in the mountains of Pakistan along the Afghan border, it is virtually impossible to capture him without a massive invasion of Pakistan, which is at least a nominal ally. The Pakistan government is not sufficiently politically strong to pursue Obama (oops, I slipped) on its own. So there is very little that we can do except try to track Obama (did it again) and capture him when he emerges.

you ARE A Liberal ...
if think CONSERVATISM IS DEAD..

Liberal Intellectual Dishonesty
Liberals are fond of latching on to pipheral issues, like the capture of Bin Laden, by way of masking their instinctive opposition to any and all wars.

If, say, we never entered Iraq and pursued Bin Laden right into Pakistan and cornered him like a rat, these same lying sumbitches would be howing just as loud, screaming about our invasion of Pakistan and digging up phony "war crimes" BS stories about THAT military operation as well. Only the name of the country would have changed, but it would be the same crap we heard about Iraq.


I must not be a liberal
I don't agree with any of those statements. I guess I am not as liberal as I thought I was. I must really be a conservative.

That means that people on TH that call my postings "liberal" are all wrong. I am a true onservative who is smart and wise enought to vote for Obama.

Thanks for clarifying things!

james: I beg to differ
I would think that any american no matter what their political affiliation would be quite satisfied that Osama bin laden was captured and brought to justice. after all it is he who masterminded the 9-11-01 operation and many of the other Al Qaeda terrorist attacks around the world.

what bothers right wingers such as yourself is that the Bush-Cheney neocon, deception of substituting Sadaam Hussien WMD'S for Osama bin Ladena somehow being involved in the events of 9-11-01 has been exposed for the farce it was from the very beggining.

Being a Liberal
You're a liberal if you follow the crowd who believes everthing the mainstream media says.

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David Zucker, the director who brought us 'Airplane!' and 'The Naked Gun,' turns his sights on anti-Americanism.
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Link:
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You might be a liberal if...
*you throw around the word NEO-CON as if you know what it means.

*you hang around TH trying to provoke conservatives all day and all night instead going to work.

*you think Al Gore is a primary source on the hoax known as global warming.

*you pity the poor, impoverished, and oppressed of the world unless they are Christians.

*you secretly hope China wins more medals than the USA in the Olympics.

*you actaully believe that the girls on China's gymnastics team ARE 16 years or older.

*you are rooting for the Russians to take over Georgia and the Ukraine.

*you think Obambie has already been elected POTUS.

*you HATE Jerome Corsi's NY Times best -seller -OBAMANATION - because the DOPES at Media Matters told you to.

*you think every criticism of Obama is racist.

*you plan to vote for BHO - if you do THAT you are a LIBERAL - DO NOT KID YOURSELF...


nmi
The "Where does the Buck stop" is a lame arguement.

You can use that to fault any president at any time for any problem.

What precisely would you be doing differently to locate one man living in a mountainous region like that surronded by people who support his cause, I might add.

Or You Might be a Liberal IF
You believe John Edwards was just "misunderstood"...


Left Angle
Liberals would want Osama/Obama to be captured, but only after the Chosen One takes office. Obama is not bashful about using Osama as an issue, but would gladly take credit for his capture, even if undeserved.

Liberals, however, would probably demand that he be tried in court by his peers (all-Muslim jury?) and that any evidence obtained without a warrant be excluded. And of course they would oppose the death penalty.

Liberals Lie A Lot
Bulltwinkie, Left Angle. If Bush had never went into Iraq and instead hammered Afghanistan and Pakistan right after 911 looking for his *ss, you little socialist street urchins would have been howling like wounded banshees about THAT as well for the last six years.

Who do you intellectually dishonest leftists think you're kidding here? We know you better than you know yourselves.

YOU MIGHT BE A LIBERAL IF - PART ONE
> 1. Every time you take a walk in the park you get
> an irrestible urge to hug a tree.
> 2. You believe that Big Business is evil and that
> Big Government is good.
> 3. You believe in a woman's right to choose but if
> she chooses to deliver her child.....she's a cow.
> 4. You believe that solar power, fuel cells, and
> electric cars, will replace oil, gas, and coal as
> our main energy source.
> 5. You are against capital punishment because it is
> wrong to take a human life.....unless it is a fetus.
> 6. You believe that animal rights are more
> important than human needs.
> 7. You believe that "hate crimes" are only
> committed by white men.
> 8. You believe that women are a "minority" even
> though they outnumber men.
> 9. Your idea of sex education is to teach young
> girls how to put condoms on bananas.
> 10. You think that cuts in the military and defense
> spending are good for the country.
> 11. You think we need to raise taxes to fund more
> social programs.
> 12. You believe that Arctic caribou really know or
> care if oil rigs are in their backyard.
> 13. You believe that any black that is successful,
> and is not an athlete or an entertainer, must be an
> "Uncle Tom" or a sell-out to the establishment.
> 14. You believe that Jesse Jackson is a great black
> leader.
> 15. You believe that Colin Powell is a pawn of the
> Republicans. ...CONTINUED .....COLOSSUS

slacker: If you vote for Obmabie...
you ARE a LIBERAL.

I know it is sometimes hard for LIBERALS to admit they are LIBERALS - they like to call themselves "independents" or "libertarians" or even "compassionate conservatives"

but I assure you once you vote for Obambie,

you will become a full-fledged, bon-a-fide, card-carrying, no-turning-back, kool-aid drinking LIBERAL..

if you aren't one already...

YOU MIGHT BE A LIBERAL IF - PART TWO


> 16. You didn't know that more Republicans voted for
> the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than Democrats.
> 17. You believe that Bill Clinton was one of our
> greatest presidents.
> 18. You believe that Richard Nixon was our worst
> president.
> 19. You believe that State Courts have the right to
> overturn laws that they don't like.
> 20. You aren't sure what the meaning of the word
> "is" is.
> 21. You believe that character doesn't matter.
> 22. You believe that all International disputes can
> be settled with diplomacy and appeasement.
> 23. You are opposed to all war no matter what the
> provocation.
> 24. You believe there is no middle ground between
> unrestricted growth and clear cutting in our
> National Forests.
> 25. You accept the theory of Global Warming as
> Gospel.
> 26. You believe that whenever there is a problem in
> the world it must be America's fault.
> 27. You believe that America must sacrifice its'
> National interests to the needs of Third World
> countries.
> 28. You believe that America should subjugate its'
> sovereignty to the authority of the United Nations
> and International courts.
> 29. You believe that protection of "endangered
> species" supersedes individual property rights.
> 30. You believe that Communisim was a perfect
> ideology but was sabotaged by Capitalism and greedy
> industrialists. .....COLOSSUS

WHERE THE BUCK STOPS

.....LEROY ...

.....The buck stops where the doe's tail begins .....COLOSSUS

IF MCCAIN PICKS A PRO-ABOTION
VEEP...

I WILL VOTE FOR CHUCK BALDWIN!

BECAUSE I AM NOT A LIBERAL!

YOU HEAR ME JOHNNY-BOY?!

baseballdoc, your...
... #25 there, the one that says being a liberal means you accept gorebull warming as Gospel.

A good Lib don't accept the Gospel as Gospel.


james/charles...
surely you jest dudes...

libs/dems attentions are on capturing osama bin laden and going after terrorist in afghanistan.

repub/cons attentions are on "nationbuilding and
victory" in Iraq, whatever the heck that means.
Iraq is irrevelant to the gwot because Sadaam Hussien had nothing to do with the events of 9-11-01 and those "Massive arsenals of wmd's" he supposedly had were never found. It was a crock to begin with.

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Left Angle
No jest, not at all.

Osama/Obama's defense attorney would likely be Ramsey Clark. Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg might step down from Supreme Court to join defense team in this vital civil liberties case.

Libs Now Got Religion about Lying!
If Bush was the lying, evil sumbitch you little socialist street urchins say he is, then why didn't he just have WMDs planted in Iraq? Cat got ya tongue?

Anyway, all you lefties all of a sudden got religion and are now "ashamed" of presidents who lie? What happened for 8 years when Bubba was busy perjuring himself? Got amnesia? If you held Clinton to the same standard you do Bush, we'd have hanged the b*astard!

You might be a liberal if...
your name is ARNOLD, you used to be an actor, you married into the most famous LIBERAL family on earth, you are the REPUBLICAN governor of a famous western state...

AND

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ATTEND THE GOP CONVENTION THIS YEAR ..

ASTA LA VISTA, BABY!

ARNIE WE HADLY KNEW YE!

CAN'T WAIT TO SEE YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE WITH ..

HONKEL TEDDY!

Post-9/11 implications

LEROY, re the fact Osama bin Laden remains at large, writes: "What precisely would you be doing differently to locate one man living in a mountainous region like that surrounded by people who support his cause,...."?

Dunno. But I can only imagine how effectively terrorists must be using as a recruitment tool the fact that the Commander in Chief of the most powerful nation on earth for seven years has been unable to fulfill his promise to avenge the massive destruction wreaked on our nation on Sept. 11, 2001, by Osama bn Laden and his band of murderers.


What kind of stupidity is this?
Ethio writes:

"You neglect to say the top 25% of wage earners in America are making $64,402 if I made 65k a year I would not think of my self being rich, I would imagine that number 65k would be middle income."

So by Ethio's definition a person who makes more than 75% of the rest of the country is "middle income" because of what Ethios "would imagine". This is even dumber than the standard of how he would 'feel'.

Try these excerpts, cut-n-pasted from the WSJ, 12/17/07:

Taxes and Income
December 17, 2007

"...the CBO joined the IRS in releasing tax numbers for 2005 ... the richest 1% paid about 39% of all income taxes that year. The richest 5% paid a tad less than 60%, and the richest 10% paid 70%. These tax shares are all up substantially since 1990, and even somewhat since 2000. ... The richest 1.3 million tax-filers -- those Americans with adjusted gross incomes of more than $365,000 in 2005 -- paid more income tax than all of the 66 million American tax filers below the median in income. Ten times more.


"... the rich showed more rapid gains in reported income shares in the 1990s than in the first half of this decade. The share of the richest 1% jumped to 20.8% of total income in 2000, from 14% in 1990, but increased only slightly to 21.2% in 2005. ... By this measure, the Clinton years were far worse for "inequality."

"...the share of taxes paid by the top 1% has kept rising ... to 39.4% in 2005, from 37.4% in 2000. The share paid by the top 5% has increased even more rapidly.

"...the Bush tax cuts reduced the ... tax ... of middle and lower income households by more proportionately than the rich. The ... family ... with an income of $40,000 saw its income tax ... fall by about $2,052 a year from the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

In 1980 ... the richest 1% paid only 19% of all income taxes; now ... they pay more than double that share.

nmi
Do you deny that we have been searching for him relentlessly? Because we were in Afghanistan before Iraq and have been searching for him this whole time. Perhaps you would invade Pakistan? Seems to me that your BDS is showing on this subject. Bush's fault at all cost right?

Not to underestimate our guys

CKHUSTLER AT 4:28 writes: "Do you deny that we have been searching for him (Osama bin Laden) relentlessly?


I think that "searching relentessly" would come as a surprise even to Pres. Bush, who six months after vowing to get bin Laden "dead or alive," stated in a press conference: " 'I AM TRULY NOT CONCERNED (ABOUT BIN LADEN)."

And I have enough confidence in our side to believe that if Pres. Bush had truly wanted to get bin Laden, Osama bin Laden would long ago have joined his ancestors instead of appearing regularly in videos, still threatening to annihilate the United States.

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Sophie
I see you have changed your name. Hope you have been keeping yourself well these days.

Happy hunting young lady.


You might be a lib if:
You believe the "Liberties" part of the American Civil Liberties Union.

You might be a conservative if...
* You think that increasing deficits to balance a budget is preferable to increasing taxes.

* You can say with a straight face that Obama's lack of foreign policy experience is a detriment after voting for Bush twice.

* You rebut every criticism of a conservative by stating that the one criticizing has a derangemenet syndrome.

* You were absolutely certain that Republicans would maintain the House and Senate in 2006.

* You tie almost any perceived problem to the "liberal media", while simultaneously stating how liberal media influence is waning.

* You castigate those who speak of the current president's shortcomings, but cannot go a single day without mentioning Bill Clinton.

* You credit Reagan with the prosperity of the 1990's, and pin blame on Clinton for the excesses of the 1990's.

* You state that "more Republicans than Democrats supported the Civil Rights Act" as if Republican and Democrat was synonymous with conservative and liberal (respectively) in 1964.

*You believe that there is no greater honor that can be bestowed than being known as a dittohead.

Sugary Sweet...I'm crushin'
Like any good Austro-libertarian, I support dismantling the current 'national authority' and a return to the Articles of Confederation between 50 separate and independent sovereign nation states.

I also strongly oppose any move towards collectivism and the tenets of marx by either side.

Fortunately, I've got a pretty thick skin. So the vitriol which is directed my way from both the commies and the neocons only serves to tell me I've done my job.

Interesting word 'neoconservative.' Murray Rothbard wrote in "Betrayal of the American Right" how the Republican party had been taken over by power-hungry big-government collectivists who weren't much different from the hard left.

Near as I can tell, the only difference between a neocon and a 'red leftist' is this:
A neocon is a liberal who likes babies and isn't scared of guns.

Both sides support taxpayer funded education, child care, health care, retirement, welfare, and on and on.... So, there is fundamentally no difference in my book. Remember what happened when Clinton took office? those military hating scumbags said "their OUR planes now." Enter Kosovo and our atrocities there.

All you neocons out there can talk to me about how wrong I am AFTER you fight for the repeal of federally funded Public Schools Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, WIC, subsidized housing, and so on.

Yeah...right

Sugary Sweet et al

I am NOT interested in legalizing Prostitution.

I am NOT interested in legalizing Pornography.

I am NOT interested in legalizing Drugs.

I am NOT interested in legalizing selling myself into slavery.

Marxism is the delusion that one can run society purely on altruism and collectivism, then libertarianism is the mirror-image delusion that one can run it purely on selfishness and individualism.

Like Marxism, Libertarianism aspires, overtly or covertly, to reduce social life to economics. And like Marxism, it has its historical myths and a genius for making its followers feel like an elect unbound by the moral rules of their society.

EnoughAlready
I think cutting spending not raising taxes is the first step we should take in balancing a budget.

It isn't Mr. Obama's lack of foreign policy experience, it his grasp of foreign policy I see as a detriment.

If fewer critisisms were not begun Bush/Cheney/Rove they might not sound so deranged.

I figured the Republicans to loose ground in 2006, anyone paying attention at all saw it.

Who said the media influence is waning?

If the Clintons weren't in the news so much maybe we could all stop talking about them. That would certainly be refreshing.

Reagan was president when the Berlin Wall fell, the fellow you want us to stop talking about was president when the Branch Davidion Wall was burned down. Credit where credit is due.

More Republicans than Democrats did support the civil rights movement. Who changed parties after that? Kennedy? Byrd? Who?

If you take anything that a Rush Limbaugh says as serious, you really need a life.

I don't waste time with silly Liberals
I have stopped talking to liberals about anything of substance because long ago I realized LIBERAL really means:
Lacking
In
Basic
Edification
Ruling
All
Living

retired geek
"...mirror-image delusion that one can run it purely on selfishness and individualism."

Though he may have had a fundamental misunderstanding of labor, Adam Smith documented the 'division of labor' and 'self interest.' What we know to be selfishness and individualism.

Society can indeed operate on self interest and individualism...indeed, promoting self-interest over the Unicorn of collective compassion will bring better results than the thinly veiled tyranny passed off as 'compulsory compassion' that we now practice.

"Like Marxism, Libertarianism aspires, overtly or covertly, to reduce social life to economics. And like Marxism, it has its historical myths and a genius for making its followers feel like an elect unbound by the moral rules of their society."

Human action and the resultant social life IS economics. Life is about goals and the choices we make to achieve them. Coercive compassion introduces barriers to the choices that every individual would make out of self interest.

Patrick Henry's Rat
"While fighting for limited govt through the constitution is laudable, not too many recognize the extreme deficiencies of the document: mainly the creation of a centralized govt."

My objection to the Libertarian "movement" centers mainly on their objection to the use of force.

Since the end of the War for Southern Independence, the federal gov't has reserved to itself the authority to set the limits of its own power.

Some of these folks (Libertarians) seem to think that you can reason with tyranny. As if magic one could square off against the federal government armed with a copy of the Constitution in one hand and Thomas Paine/John Locke in the other. Would they see the exquisite beauty of your logic? ha

It's like the nuts who argue that the 16th amendment was never legally ratified (same with the 14th)...the dirty truth is that it doesn't matter. I spent enough time in the Marine Corps to know they've got more guns than we do. It's the law if they say it is.

But what is your freedom worth?

Retort
wiseone Like I said in my last post if you can not give validated URLs of the information you are giving, I and the rest of the world will take it your just making shat up for your own argument.

Next the numbers I gave and that the article implies is for the entire USA, not just Texas but being educated in Texas I can understand your stupidly.

Impeach Bush!


liberal vs ?
what is a person [ me ] who sees increasing evidence the 9-11 massacre was not what the administration claims ? [ towers collapsing like controlled demolitoin] [ bldg 7] [ no defense missile fired at the
pentagon plane ; missile / rocket ] [ no plane at shanksville ]

am i lib ; libertarian ; truth seeker ; realist ; conservative of money and resources ; what ?

Libertarians et al

I am NOT against a limited government.

Libertarian principle 3 states: "Government's only role is to help individuals defend themselves from force and fraud."

Firemen, Policeman, FDA, Military for protecting National Security all are a part of government which you would abolish.

There are many varieties of libertarianism, from natural-law libertarianism (the least crazy) to anarcho-capitalism (the most crazy).

I decline to allow libertarians the sophistical trick of using a vulgar libertarianism to agitate for what they want by defending a refined version of their doctrine when challenged philosophically. I’ve seen Marxists pull that before.

I was an Humanist/Atheist Marxist until age 32 and have heard all that Libertarians proclaim
as freedom when I was a humanist.

The concept that all that is good is only that which is freely chosen simply means that there is NO inherent good or evil - I strongly disagree with that.

That a man can choose to spend his life playing games on the internet has lived as worthy a life as Dr King or Billy Grahm is abhorrent to me.

I am NOT interested in debating Libertarian Nonsense with you - I am more interested in defeating Obama and his brand of Marxism.

The 'things' I listed earlier:
1) Legalized pornography.
2) Legalized prostitution.
3) Legalized drugs.
4) Selling oneself into slavery.

Are all permissable by Libertarians because if someone doesn’t like it, they can choose not to participate in it. But what he can’t do is choose not to live in a culture that has been vulgarized by those things.

Free spirits, the ambitious, ex-socialists, drug users, and sexual eccentrics are usually the Libertarians.

I will NOT discuss this anymore because it sickens my spirit and brings back bad memories.

duggy

You are NONE of the things you described - you are a delusional lunatic.

duggy
You've gotta stop smoking that stuff.

One Last Post

Those of you who think finding Osama Bin Laden should be easy - a suggestion.

Pack up your coleman camping gear along with a pith helmet and haul your butt to Afghanistan.

You should easily collect the $25 million reward and be an American hero - maybe even a World Wide hero.

Off you go!

Good luck!