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Friday, May 16, 2008
John Hawkins :: Townhall.com Columnist
A Real Man's Responsibilities
by John Hawkins
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"You think I am brave because I carry a gun; well, your fathers are much braver because they carry responsibility, for you, your brothers, your sisters, and your mothers. And this responsibility is like a big rock that weighs a ton. It bends and it twists them until finally it buries them under the ground. And there's nobody says they have to do this. They do it because they love you, and because they want to. I have never had this kind of courage. Running a farm, working like a mule every day with no guarantee anything will ever come of it. This is bravery." -- Charles Bronson in The Magnificent Seven

You can scarcely pick up a paper these days without reading about someone talking about "rights." However, the word "responsibilities" doesn't seem to come up as often. That's a shame because our "responsibilities" are every bit as important as our "rights." In fact, the "responsibilities" are more important in some ways because of our nature.

We human beings are born savages, not much different than highly intelligent wolves. It's only because we have been socialized, civilized, taught better, and bathed in the grace of God that we have the wherewithal to live together respectfully in a civilized society.

Moreover, because men are bigger, stronger, and more naturally aggressive than women, we particularly need to be schooled on what our duties are -- not just as human beings, but as men.

To begin with, a real man should be able to shoot a gun, catch a fish, hunt, take and throw a punch, know what to do if a tornado or hurricane hits, cook a steak, jump-start a car, change a tire, drive a stick shift, give a firm handshake, read a map, handle a budget, swim, tie a tie, give a 5 minute speech, comfort someone who has just had a loved one die, negotiate a raise or a price on something he's going to buy, and tell a pushy salesman "no."

However, real men understand that their responsibilities don't end with mere skills. Men have duties that go far beyond that.

Men have an obligation to treat women with respect, to open doors, to pull out chairs, to pay for dinner on a date, to act in a chivalrous manner -- and a real man wouldn't physically hurt a woman if you put a gun to his head. In other words, a man should show a woman the same respect that he would want another man to show to his sister or mother.

That goes double for a man's wife and family. Every man has an obligation to protect and provide for his family. A man with a sense of honor doesn't abandon his children or put his own wants ahead of his family's needs. Moreover, the sort of man you'd want your son to grow up and be, is not only capable of taking care of himself, he will find a way to make sure his family is taken care of as well. For a man like that, having to see his own family take government assistance or charity is a rebuke that cuts him to the quick because it means that he has failed at one of his most important jobs.

Additionally, not every man is going to be a president, CEO, or general, but every man should be able to lead and act responsibly when the situation calls for it. He is the one ultimately responsible for his own life, his own family, and for setting an example. Not everybody has the same religious beliefs or version of patriotism, but men should understand that standing up for God, country, and what's right is important because it sets a much needed example for others to follow.

That's why being a pistol-toting gang banger or a pick-up artist with five children by five different mothers doesn't make you a real man, although people sometimes confuse that sort of bad behavior with manhood. A real man isn't just the sort of guy you'd want to cover your back in a fight or someone you'd want with you if you were trying to meet women; a man who deserves to be emulated is decent, loyal, trustworthy, courteous and feels an almost instinctive outrage at injustice and desire to protect the weak.

Real men are responsible, honorable, and do what needs to be done. As long as this country never runs short of men like that, the greatest country on God's green earth will continue to thrive, prosper, and show the rest of the world how it should be done.

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MyOpine
What lies, what insults and what paraphrasing are you talking about? And what about the plagiarism you alleged earlier? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Earlier, you said you would alert everyone on the thread. Why don’t you do that now and maybe they can help you support your allegations.
By the way, I like that “girlie man” one. It always reminds me Saturday Night Live from its first few seasons. Yes, your turn of phrase is certainly speaks well of your maturity.

Thank the Feminists
Thanks to the feminization of America we have less real men.

Yet despite what the feminists tell you, real women want real men.

Glad I married one and was raised by one.

MikeR
Your lies, (3) have already been pointed out to you.
As to you trying to engage me in civil debate?

YOU ARROGANT BELLICOSE BUFFOON!
Go back and take a look at the insulting way you originally tried to engage me in DEBATE?
Check on some of your other unnecessary insults to me on the way.
You expect me to return civil debate after you attack me with insults?
I doubt you have the intellect for civil debate.

You tend to paraphrase other people and verbally masturbate pretentious rebuttal to stroke your over inflated ego.
Since you have requested my help to find a remedy I will henceforth make great sacrifice and force myself to try and decipher your boring, convoluted parroting of propaganda to weed out examples of your fictitious paraphrasing and force it to your attention!

You went way out of your way to engage me in an insult contest and you are already whimpering.
By the time I am convinced you have had enough of my insults to please you, you will have something to cry about, LYING GIRLY MAN!

dreadnaught
I'm changing your handle to "caped avenger", or CA for short, dreadnaught.

As you continue to defend those who would destroy communities and exploit those of us who have lived here for generations and paid our taxes, you might want to work on spinning the information on the website below, CA.

http://www.hometownstation.com/local-news/illegal-aliens-cl arita-2008-05-05-02-00.html

After reading the post above, you might want to ask, "Where is the hispanic machismo they so demand?" or "If hispanics are real men, why are they leaving the care and feeding of their families up to others?"

By the way, CA, you're already being upstaged. The aboriginal, illiterate, and illegal masses already have powerful defenders and representatives. Our own politicians have taken up that role.

One last thing. Can you jump off high buildings and fly around? If not, would you try?


MyOpine
What an odd fellow you are. Do you understand the meaning of the words you are using?
I know none of your posts mentioned swimming. I was asking you a question in an attempt to engage you in the debate. I haven’t lied in any of my posts. I don’t know what you think a lie is.
My comment to you is simple. Please show where you claim any plagiarism or paraphrasing occurred in this thread.
It is ironic and yes, hypocritical that you accuse me of making only bellicose personal insults when you are the one engaged in such activities. Furthermore, if you had taken time to read in the first place, you would have seen that I know how to swim.

Perhaps it’s time for you to call on all those other people to show me where I’m lying and while they are at it, maybe they can help you substantiate some of your other claims.

Svenska
Don’t be ridiculous, I have a life outside of my computer; and if you notice the time stamp, your post was written at 10:25 DST. At that time in the evening, I was otherwise engaged. If you don’t respond to this post because you are engaged in Saturday morning chores, is that an indication of you not having a response?
As for your comment, nobody should criticize that paragraph. I certainly didn’t. Furthermore, you are right about there being a real deficit of "real" men in this society. We need more men to grow a "set", and start being responsible.
My real concern is how columns like this are part and parcel to the ongoing culture war. And yes, it is irritating to listen to young people talk sometimes. Talk is cheap. I’d feel more inclined to here such words from somebody who has actually faced the trials of manhood.

My Opine
Who is going to teach them, you ask? It seems we have no true volunteers for that.

I agreee boys want to learn these manly things. I could tell when my nephew was completely drawn to my ex husband, who was very kind to him and taught him many things. But it was never a 24/7 situation and only visits. It didn't have lasting affects.

Kids need a full time father. Boys and girls do.


In My Town

In my town 98% of men do not open doors for women.

Perhaps it is because this is a liberal town.

Dear Miss Manners,
Thank you for your recent comments re: the true requirements of manhood. In this vein, I ask the following:

My wife has been sneaking out of the kitchen in recent months, often wearing shoes. She says that she wants to enjoy some of her time "between children". What is to be done with such an upstart woman?

Disgraced husband, St. Paul

Dreadnaught
As you said:

"I denounce the easy cheap shot against those who aren't here to defend their people. Or defend a family they belong to; or defend Mexico."

Aren't you the caped crusader! Wow! You're a true spokesperson for the armed and downtrodden!

Now, back to reality.

Take a stroll through a local barrio some evening and see how long you'll last, child. If you survive, you'll probably alter your view.

Mexico is a corrupt, failed and third world dump, and they're demanding their lowest crawl here. Los Angeles is all but lost with bodies dropping due to the now common drive-bys. Imagine what will happen in the rest of the country if it's not stopped. Try, at least.

I'm not a white supremecist. I just hate to see the country continue to decay and then watch the government perpetuate the decomposition.

There is medication for your problem. Get on it soon.

Mr. Hawkins
I was already a fan of your work before reading this article, but please allow me to tip my hat. You have outdone yourself.

This is simply outstanding, a clear explication of the enduring basic principle of true manliness and chivalry.

Shells
The real tragedy is that boys want to learn manly things. They are attentive and learn swiftly with little effort.

If you offer to teach a boy about auto engines or firearms or boats, etc., he is ready right now and every word to tell him is engraved in his memory.
Boys are easy to teach and the more they learn the more they become.

Now who are you going to trust to teach them?

Wonderful Article and Yet Sad
As a woman, reading Hawkins description of a real man made me feel misty. Where are these men?

I know there are good men out there, but honestly, there are many weak ones as well. They are good people, but somewhere along the line, they lost their strength.

I hear about my 16 year old nephew who is raised by my sister, Friend Mom, with no real male role model in his life. He has been arrested twice and I just found out he dropped out of high school. He's a little white boy from a leafy suburb who threw away his young life and idolizes gang bangers.

A lot of young men are doing the same. The real role models of men are disappearing.

Open a door for a lady? Never.
Make a steak? Make a what?! You make it!
Pay for a date? Heh, you're the one with a job, you pay!

I am a strong woman and indepedant, but I want a stronger man. I want to feel protected and safe. I want to feel like the woman and not the--as AudiR10 once told us her grandmother said, "A Nurse or a Purse."

Now I have the All In The Family theme song in my head: "and you knew who you were then. Gals were gals and men were men..."

Don't bother, MikeR
I have to go now. My only guess is that you can't criticize the paragraph in post#57.

Sure the article is filled with some fluff about what John thinks is "manly", but SERIOUSLY, you can't despute the fact that there is a real deficit of "real" men in this society. We need more men to grow a "set", and start being responsible.

If men are falling apart in the face of adversity, this great nation is in serious trouble. That's a nonpartisan issue...period.

Are you there MikeR?
I was trying to write...though it may be anticlimatic now...hope you are writing a the retort of the century to post #57. Don't get distracted now.

MikeR - Reply#10...cont'd
Perhaps I joined the thread too late?

I only hear the sound of crickets....

MikeR
badboy post #28.

AND YOU JUST LIED AGAIN BY INFERRING I SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SWIMMING.

None of my posts mentioned swimming.
LYING IS NOT A MANLY TRAIT.
And you seem to be a sociopathic liar!
Can't you make a post that does not contain a LIE?

I can understand why you would be upset over an article describing men because you sure come up short girly man!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And now I will mention Swimming!
What's the matter sissy, you afraid of the water?


MikeR - Reply#10
I understand that you are trying to be a realist in your criticisms of the piece above.

PLEASE REREAD THE FOLLOWING AND RESPOND WITH A CRITICISM OF THE "MAIN POINT" OF THE ARTICLE>
"Additionally, not every man is going to be a president, CEO, or general, but every man should be able to lead and act responsibly when the situation calls for it. He is the one ultimately responsible for his own life, his own family, and for setting an example. Not everybody has the same religious beliefs or version of patriotism, but men should understand that standing up for God, country, and what's right is important because it sets a much needed example for others to follow."

Nobody should call into question your manliness, but how can you argue that writing like that would be miguided in its intended outcome?

MyOpine
Neither badboy nor me used each other’s words or paraphrased each other’s comments. No quotations were necessary in our comments. Furthermore, no one has lied about anything. Do you understand the meaning of the words you are using? Please show the actual plagiarism instead of just claiming it happened. And by all mean, alert everyone and ask for help to find the plagiarism or even the paraphrasing.
And no, I would not have been better off to just accept you gratitude. Such gratitude is a disease of dogs.

Here’s an idea. Why don’t you try and actually agree or disagree with my reasoning and say why. For example, do you think that not knowing how to swim makes you less of a man?

Thanks, John!
As a public educator, I see firsthand how our post emasculated society is raising boys. We need heroes for our boys! I have to disagree with SCIENCE AVENGER…hunting, fishing, and general survival activities are still VERY relevant in our post modern society. Perhaps you are too busy watching Star Trek the Next Generation to notice that men still find solace and energy in doing things that are as simple as sitting in a boat and pulling Walleye out of a lake for shore lunch.
Bravo, Mr. Hawkins! Good “sensical “ writing, sir!

sim
It is ironic that you would raise such a silly and childish retort on a thread debating manhood. But no, using my quote as you did, I said I’d be damned before I’d take advice and since I’m not taking the advice, I’m not dammed.
Then as to your reason, If you’d actually read my post and considered instead of reacting, you’d have realized that it is the message not the messenger I am criticizing more. My criticism of the messenger is that he would boastfully deliver such a foolish message.
Extrapolation is far from what you actually did. Likewise your deduction is equally flawed. Try reading my initial comment with an open mind. My following comments were in the same vein. In each it is the message that I criticize. Tell me, do you really believe that not knowing how to swim makes you less of a man? As such, I reject the false gospel and well as the false profit who delivered it.
Yes Sim, you dismissed my entire comment based on your bias against anyone who dissents against such platitudes.
And finally, you claim you never even made a case against my manhood and that’s my own words again; yet you wrote. “The bottom line is being a 'Real Man' is difficult. The moral is being a real man requires work and responsibility. You're merely trying to justify -or just feel better about- why you don't qualify by attacking the messenger.” Just what is it you claim I don’t qualify for? It seems you not only fail to comprehend my posts, but you don’t understand what you wrote either.

Science Avenger
It isn't quite so entertaining when a natural disaster hits and you have to fend for yourself.

What do we call people who can shoot, hunt, fish, and box? -- Survivors.

MyOpine
"I see we have some cowardly Leftists who cringe at the truth when someone describes manhood and they see they don't fit the description!"

Yes, it surely is the sign of a real man to call strangers cowards from behind your keyboard.

LOL!

Thank you
Wow. Thanks for this article.

A Father's Day column
This column should be published for the upcoming Father's Day celebration. I will be playing golf with all the favorite men in my life on Father's day. My husband, my son and my father.If there were such a thing as a "sixsome" in golf, I would include my two brothers in the mix.
Imagine, if men followed the real mans responsibilites code, there would be no need for liberals amongst us because they would have no victims to pander to and no elitists to impress with their emotive thinking processes.
Sorry, this was such a positive column and I don't mean to diminish the positive message that it provided. It's just that the first thing that occurred to me while reading the column was if all men adhered to the principles in the column, there would be little need for most of the domestic social programs
now in place.
It's a little early, but I'm wishing all the wonderful men out there that I am privileged to read the columns and comments of, a very happy Father's day.

MikeR: Cont'd
'Hey, there’s a word for that isn’t there? I’d say it, but I wouldn’t want anyone to think it was my favorite battle cry.’
-Go crazy and call me a hypocrite...the written record is above. Even if you’re politics are conservative or Republican, your personal ideology is the same as a leftist and your condescension is the proof.
--------
‘Instead, I’ll just ask how long you’ve been a leftist; employing your own standard of course. You even go as far as to say that I find myself perfect and have no standards. Like I said, that is simply amazing.’
-that’s projection on your part and deduction on mine. I even stated that it was deduction. If the logic is wrong, show where.
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‘Yes, you don’t know me but can say I don’t qualify as a man because I don’t agree with Hawkins and you because apparently one of the measures of manhood is the ability to go along with the herd.’ -I don’t see anywhere in my post where I said that you don’t qualify as a man…is this a sign of your guilty conscience? Agreeing with Hawkins on many of his points is anything but going along with the herd. The majority of his post deals with a man’s personal responsibility which is anathema to any herd mentality or collectivist thought.
--------
‘Hey Sim, if Hawkins is such a man, why hasn’t he served in the military? I did.’
-Thank you for your service. Your service does not automatically make you a man, though I never even made a case against your manhood that’s your own words again.


MikeR
I wish this site allowed html...it would make this fisking lot easier to read, but it is what it is...and other readers, please assume [sic] for all quoted statements...
‘I’m going to hell because I won’t let accept underage blow hard from issuing clichés’
-You damned yourself, remember: ‘The moral is: I’ll be damned before I’ll take advice from a boy on how to be a man.’ You made that statement and disregarded everything John said on the basis that you perceive the him to be an ‘underage blowhard issuing clichés’. Extrapolating of your point of view and applying it to religion leads to the logical conclusion that you’d rather be damned than accept a sermon from a flawed preacher.
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‘Even better, you don’t know me or have read my comments before, but you deduce that I am a leftist b because I display a leftist patter. And what does that really mean?‘
-I deduced that you’re a leftist because you display and employ one of the left’s favorite dismissals of an argument based on nothing more than your perceived bias against the source of the argument. You also resorted to ad hominem attacks against the author rather than offering anything to rebut the points made in the essay.
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‘I didn’t gush over Hawkins and his platitudes.’
-No. You arbitrarily dismissed his assertions on the basis of youth and expressed your contempt of his youth.
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‘Moreover, I did the terrible “attack the messenger”.[sic]’
-losing the argument before it even started.
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‘Of course it seems to be fine when you just did it to me.‘
-I didn’t attack you, I pointed out that you’re dismissal of an entire essay based on your bias against youth was ridiculous.
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cont'd

you're a pro? From Dover
Yeah; promoting racial fear, xenophobia and hatred.

I never told you if I'm hispanic or not. You only assume because I spoke out against this blanket denunciation of an entire (actually two) ethnic minority. I must be biased, therefore "hispanic."

Not at all. I am a Christian. A believing Catholic, if you wish. I denounce the easy cheap shot against those who aren't here to defend their people. Or defend a family they belong to; or defend Mexico (in the first place.)

Perhaps you aren't a white supremacist. But you're loudly proclaiming their agenda. There are things about that which shouldn't make you proud. Like so many of that class, you're intolerant of a people, on account of the errors of a current amidst them. That current is liberalism and America-bashing. It isn't held at all by most Mexican-Americans. And most are not "dangerous" or criminal. Most are honest & self-sufficient; hard working. Not "on welfare."

Even many illegal immigrants will prpmptly tell you America is the most wonderful country in the world. (Of course, you won't let one come close enough to say it to you. They're "unclean." )

This is not 1808

While I like the general point of responsibility, I found Hawkins idea of what makes a real man laughable. What year does Hawkins think it is? 1808? While I'm not one to down another person's choice of entertainment, in 2008 that's all shooting, fishing, hunting, and boxing are. In our modern society, they are no more relevant to being a real man than are horsemanship and ableness with a sword.

http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=349872567144700 4370

MyOpine
You wrote, “Stop PLAGIARIZING MikeR and you will draw less friendly fire!”
I wrote, “I don’t know what you claim I or badboy plagiarized” that is not a lie. The sentence you wrote could have applied to either badboy or me. In fact, neither of us plagiarized anything and there was no need for him to use quotation marks. That’s why I wrote my response.
Your strangely aggressive style led me to believe you were intent on revenge and not genuine gratitude. I am sorry saying otherwise, but that was a mistake not a lie.
You can feel free to devote some of your time to reminding me of my evil ways and trying to help me correct them. Perhaps you should devote some time to actually reading and considering the meaning of words as well as the theme of the post then contributing intelligently to the thread. But I suppose that falls under the guise of boring propaganda, verbal masturbation and outright LIES.


MikeR
When you paraphrase other peoples words to conform to your verbal masturbation it is sort of like telling a lie to yourself for the benefit of whoever you hope to decieve.

I did not say YOU plagiarized anyone. YOU LIED!
I did not imply YOU are responsible for any mistake. YOU LIED AGAIN!
YOU ARE A DAMNED LIAR!
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You deny that I owe you gratitude for alerting me that I was attributing your words to badboy for lack of quotation marks but I can't let your good deed go unrewarded.
I am going to HELP YOU STOP LYING!
I know this will require you to sacrifice but I will help you.

I usually skip your posts because they are boring propaganda but henceforth, I will read your posts with care to detect your verbal masturbation and outright LIES!
I will keep reminding you of your evil ways and try to help you correct them.
This I will do in gratitude for your alerting me to my error.
It is a debt I will repay!

Badboy
MyOpine is a prime example. I didn’t take Hawkins that seriously let alone defending the honor of TH and all true conservatives. Now the guy wants to pay me back for some reason.

I know I’m a curmudgeon. Heck my wife won’t even sit with me in the park sometimes because of the negative comments I make about everyone who passes by; but I’m not as bad as this guy.

MyOpine
I don’t know what you claim I or badboy plagiarized. And just what do you have to repay? How am I responsible for your mistakes? I would be hesitant to call others “dummy” if I made such egregious errors in reading and judgment.

Old School
Great stuff Hawkins. These virtues were the very thing my English Professor bashed when we read Beowulf. We need to recognize and give real men their props. We're a dying breed fellas.

badboy
After reading MikeR I went back and checked your post that set me off.
I never bothered to read MikeR's post that set you off but I can see now that he is right about MY posts.

HEY DUMMY!
This is what a quotation mark looks like!
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Stop PLAGIARIZING MikeR and you will draw less friendly fire!
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THANK YOU MikeR.
I will watch for a chance to repay you.

dreadnaught
I served with black and hispanic soldiers in the military and most were great. But you fail to recognize that, to your incredible error, hispanics are working to achieve the same status as blacks and that, by group-think and toxic tribalism. Individualism is all but dead in the hispanic community. It surely is in the black one except for their popular race-hustling masters of whom they bow to.

Like blacks, ghetto hispanics vote for their race exclusively, no matter how incompetent their candidate. Several hispanic colleagues, good friends of mine who live in white communities, have told me so, and of course, I've witnessed it locally.

Hispanic loudmouths with bullhorns at their now common Mexican flag-waving rallys always -- that's, "always" -- group-speak as honored
representatives of hispanics. THERE IS YOUR ARTIST WITH THE BROAD BRUSH, dreadnaught, and I'm just reponding to your culture's preferred group representation. These parasites not only want us to press "1" for English, they demand it.

Where is the brave hispanic person or group that is confronting them and shutting them up?

Hispanic neighborhoods are as dangerous as black neighborhoods. Rampant crime is common in hispanic neighborhoods, and there is no group shame. They're learning the black way, no matter how many of your race suffer in the process.

One question for you and I'm serious in asking:

How does it feel to belong to a culture that others avoid due to crime and decay? There are only 2 races in the entire country that the majority of whites, asians, Hindus and europeans avoid, and you're a member of one of them. I'm honestly asking, how does that feel?

badboy
I bet you can't guess how often Communist trolls come here branding themselves LIAR by pretending to be Conservatives?

Can you guess how many times you can insult TH authors and/or Conservatives who post here without exposing yourself as a FAKE?

Some of the newbe Commies who come here are absolutely STUPID!
Do you see how I have just described YOU?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Now that you have exposed yourself as a LIAR and a FAKE, are you going to do a pratt fall to amuse us?

Come back little Communist Punching Bag, don't run away and hide!
We need toys like you to play with.
That is why you came here isn't it?

Badboy
I think MyOpine was talking about me. You are an established conservative and consistent in all your posts.

Other than that, I know what you are saying and there is a great deal of truth there. The trouble is that most people who read this piffle aren’t in on the joke. They take this piffle as part and parcel of a culture war with our very survival at stake. I never take things that seriously, but it shows that I have things figured out perhaps a little better than you do.

Otherwise, I never think of myself as superior. I say in all honesty that I’ve never been the best at anything. I sometimes feel morally superior because I don’t trade in insults or base comments; and I sometimes feel intellectually superior because I always take time to read and consider when so many posts on both left and right of an issue are knee jerk responses.

Half truth...
You correctly stated a half truth:

"Real men are responsible, honorable, and do what needs to be done. As long as this country never runs short of men like that, the greatest country on God's green earth will continue to thrive, prosper, and show the rest of the world how it should be done."

This is true, provided only that a selfish wife doesn't file for a divorce of convenience, that she doesn't take custody of the kids, use the court system to bludgeon the dad with false charges and poison his employment prospects.

MyOpine,,,
You are funnier than MikeArrrr if only because your sarcasm detector is even more askew than his.

This thread has been great fun. I now know what it must have been like to go to Bedlam and poke the inmates with sticks in order to liven up a boring Elizabethan era Sunday afternoon.

I'm happy to keep playing the role of organ grinder as long as the monkeys continue to dance. Usually it's the libtards I relish insulting. But now my fellow idiot conservatives are becoming such easy marks as well. BBWWAAAHHHAAAHAAAHAAA! Was that superficial enough for you MyOpine?

My father....,
..before he died, best exemplified what men of his generation were like in regard to manliness.

While in his hospital bed with cancer, his doctor asked me to have him tell him of his physical complaints. I knew exactly what the doctor was getting at. My father and the men of his family didn't complain when it came to their work or their physical ailments. Such was considered "womanly", and besides, they had work do to feed their families. To them, pain and aches, no matter how severe, come with life.

They also called it called whining which they considered childish, and a waste of energy and time.

I explained to the old boy that he had to start telling the docs what hurt and where. He said, "why"? He then said he had cancer and everyone knew it so the fact that there was in pain was a foregone conclusion, to paraphrase. I told him that the doctors wanted to pinpoint exactly where he hurt so they could make him more comfortable and that answers to them such as "I'm okay" didn't cut it. He said he would but that he would feel silly. He died with grace and dignity.

Today, millions are awarded to people in lawsuits because a word, drawing or image hurt their feelings. And the MSM supports them if they're minorities. The definition of manliness sure has changed.

Man of the Hour
Yes, we do have great men in this Nation. We also have some who would rather die then take care of their responsibilities. Both men come in every color, and represent every nationality that God gave man.

A perfect world God did not give us, He allows us to make our choices and HE judges each and everyone on what they did for HIM and that includes his children. We are all children of God and we all have the same responsibility to be there for one another. However, that does not mean we have to work our you know what off to pay for a meal while that person drinks and does nothing but harm to others.

Our Nation had better wake up and had better let our Congress know where they stand with us, that re-election is not automatic, it is earned by being aware of why they were voted in and sent to represent the American Constitution. Many have failed us and it is time to get them out of office before we lose this great Nation to Socialism.
Joy of Iowa

Man of the Hour
Yes, we do have great men in this Nation. We also have some who would rather die then take care of their responsibilities. Both men come in every color, and represent every nationality that God gave man.

A perfect world God did not give us, He allows us to make our choices and HE judges each and everyone on what they did for HIM and that includes his children. We are all children of God and we all have the same responsibility to be there for one another. However, that does not mean we have to work our you know what off to pay for a meal while that person drinks and does nothing but harm to others.

Our Nation had better wake up and had better let our Congress know where they stand with us, that re-election is not automatic, it is earned by being aware of why they were voted in and sent to represent the American Constitution. Many have failed us and it is time to get them out of office before we lose this great Nation to Socialism.
Joy of Iowa

badboy
I would like to thank you on behalf of all the Conservatives at TH. You can't imagine how entertaining it is when one of you arrogant buffoons manage to stumble your way over here from CodePink and demonstrate your intellect with infantile insults. You lift our spirits with your convoluted posts that prove you have no substance. The dumb act you perform for us is superbly convincing. I want you to know we do appreciate your selfless sacrifice. TH would be as boring as MoveOn or DailyKos if you pathetic Communist clowns did not come here to amuse us.
Again, we sincerely thank you!
You do look a little damp though.
You should run back to CodePink and get your Huggy changed.

Great article John.
I see we have some cowardly Leftists who cringe at the truth when someone describes manhood and they see they don't fit the description!

MkeAARRRRRR....
Dude, you are funny. The TH writers have the same problem all bloggers, newspaper writers, etc. have: they HAVE to come up with some kind of claptrap on a regular basis. Half the time they write filler, and they know it's filler. Often times, it's a schtick, and they know it's a schtick. Most people who read this piffle are in on the joke.

What's great is when lame-ohs like you aren't bright enough to figure out that one needs to take this non-sense with a very large grain of salt.

But you're OHHH SOOO EARRRNEST! That's why you haven't figured these things out. And you never will- 'cuz you take everything in life SOOO SEEERIOUSSLEEE! And of course, that makes you so much better than the rest of us.

I hope your artery walls still have plenty of youthful elasticity, 'cuz given how easily you get your blood pressure up over nothing, you're gonna need it in order to avoid a stroke.

nice article--a few nice posts
I liked Hawkins' think-piece. It's really a joy to read some of our contributors' splendid references to their particular Dads.

One post; by a "pro" (professor, prtotester, promoter ? ? ) from Dover is unusual.

He/she tars hispanics and blacks with the same thug-brush,

My experience has been, in a God-fearing hispanic home;

Daddy may not have opened card doors, or pulled chairts out for Mom. But he worked until he dropped every day; he prayed with us. He was a decent man.

Yes; in the street you can point to bad actors who bring shame on their hispanic heritage. But they're influenced by the street; not in the home. And if you see our Vietnam Memorial; or those G.I.s who lost life or limb for our country in Afghanistan and Iraq-- hispanic names are very numerous. There are quite a few African Americans who've also sacrificed for us there. We ought to acknowledge their strength and dedication -- their heroic American manhood.

Never give up on an American because of his race. Pray when he's gone bad; that God will help him turn it around. --Thanks, John Hawkins

Amen
Well said.

Thanks For The Tip!
You and whose army states, "Hmmm. Yeah, that's really interesting. So you ever notice that when someone accuses someone else of being a pedophile, it doesn't tend to remain civil?"

Twinky, I made absolutely no mention of pedophiles in my comments. That was YOUR slant on it. If, however, you wish to connect being gay to pedophilia, I can go with that considering that over 85% of the children molested by admittedly homosexual Catholic priests were prepubescent and/or teenage boys. Quelle surprise!

Thanks for the tip!


My father, husband and sons
(Standing ovation) This is the kind of man that I married and the kind of father I had. And these are the rules that we taught our sons and we have taught our daughters to accept.

He also needs to be able to change the oil and check the fluids :D

shhhhh mccain is giving a speech
mccain gave a speech the other day (yesterday) o

ne which he himself described as important


conservatives decided to stay home

The topic
in this article only presents the outward.

The outward is only an expression of the inward.

A real man starts with, 'God, be merciful to me a sinner.'

folks
Let’s take a realistic, unemotional look at this “message”:

Cook a steak? Anybody who isn’t a moron can cook a steak. Does steak = man?
Swim? Whose manhood rests upon the ability to swim? (Yes Sim, I can swim)

That entire paragraph is just plain silly, but this is the kicker: “real man wouldn't physically hurt a woman if you put a gun to his head” Can you imagine our hero, bravely facing death before dishonor. That is the writing of a child.

What kind of man needs his ego stroked by such platitudes? Yes, that Bronson speech is true, but it has been my experience that some men who have never hunted or fished have still met all of those requirements.

Badboy
Were you talking to my wife? Did she tell you to say that?

Fairness
Perhaps in the interest of "Fairness" , young Master Hawkins might consider a followup editorial, i.e., "A Real Woman's Responsibilities." This is not likely to occur since the harridans on the Right & the Left would descend on Master Hawkins w/o mercy if they were to be the subject of an equally patronizing article.

BTW, unlike Master Hawkins I am a service academy-educated Senior Reserve Officer & I will be going on active duty this next week. Those of us manning "Hadrian's Wall" w/ the "barbarians at the gates" really don't like being lectured by chidren about our respective responsibilities as MEN.

BrianR
Like many, I was FORTUNATE to have been raised by such a man.

Is Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama such a man? Was Bill Clinton? John Kerry?

A real man
"a man who deserves to be emulated is decent, loyal, trustworthy, courteous"

Sounds a lot like the Boy Scouts- A scout is Trustwory, Loyal...Brave,Clean and Reverent. Sorry, I forgot some of the words in the 50 years since I was a Scout, but I hope I never forget the life lessons.

I have an article on this subject
Stop by my blog and check it out, it's a pretty good read along these lines.


http://heartlandpatriot.blogtownhall.com/2006/12/08/reflect ions_on_manliness.thtml

MikeR - Self-be-Damned wannabe man!
"The moral is: I’ll be damned before I’ll take advice from a boy on how to be a man."
----
Well...extending your logic to the area of religion, you're already damned. Your moral makes you consider the source before considering the message on its own merit. Your moral therefore would prevent you from accepting any religious teachings as the preachers are human and therefore sinners. If you can't accept religion because of its messengers, then you are most likely going to hell, so your statement and sentiment are factually correct! Congrats, you're going to hell!

Does your inability to separate a message from the messenger help you disregard any philosophy, criticism or feedback you find unpalatable?

I don't know you, nor have I read your comments before, but I would deduce that you are more than likely a leftist. You display the archetypal pattern of leftist thought: Disregard and dismiss the message because you've deemed the messenger to be flawed. I'd bet your favorite battle cry is 'Hypocrite' enabling you to look down your nose at anyone who is trying to live up to an ideal, but falls short. You yourself are perfect in your own eyes because you have no standards by which to be judged and hence can never fail!

The bottom line is being a 'Real Man' is difficult. The moral is being a real man requires work and responsibility. You're merely trying to justify -or just feel better about- why you don't qualify by attacking the messenger.

In the Military it's RHIR
"Rank has its RESPONSIBILITIES" what few real privileges, are because you are expected to take care of those in your command.

You rest AFTER your troops have been given the opportunity to rest. You eat AFTER you see to it that your people are getting feed. You got that parking spot up close to the medical treatment facility so you can go, and go often to check on your troops being treated, not for your convenience.

I was at work many times early and left for home many more times late. I came in on weekends when my people were working and often stayed if they needed to talk to me about something.

As a parent, there are many times I would rather be elsewhere, doing something else, but my child needs me there "now!" Those school parent-teacher conferences come to mind most.

It's being awake, while your child sleeps when they are ill, or away from home. It's learning to NOT "do it for them" but to "let them do it."

It takes REAL men and women to take on the mantle of "Responsibility."

MikeARRRRRR...
Good God you are uptight. That's what happens when you take yourself waaaayyy tooooo seeeriouslllleeee. Just 'cuz yer older 'n dirt doesn't mean you have to be a curmudgeon all the time!

Go do something fun this weekend with some friends who are at least 20 years younger than you. Maybe you won't be such a crab, and your wife will find you easier to live with. Trust me, it works.

The "diversity" nonsense...
..has polluted Hawkins' great definition of a man.

The libs say that the concept of "manhood" is relative, and let's face it, they're in charge today.

In black ghettos, "gettin' over", which means exploiting the welfare and other handout systems while playing in the streets is considered very honorable.

In that same venue (as well as with hispanics), the success in siring many children by many women is considered high-status behavior. Taking care of them is not remotely considered in the assessment, and in some cases, it is in the negative side of the balance sheet. Read the third paragraph again.

Among blacks and hispanics, successfully getting physical revenge on real or imagined people thought to have disrespected you is an enormous boost in status, especially if their victim is white.

A jail term among those groups also adds a strong line item on their resume, and regular working is thought to be for fools. If one was particularly vicious to finally end up in a lockup, add points.

In our increasingly feminized society, males playing too rough, (i.e., football, tag and dodgeball) while at recess is verboten. That makes brutes, doanchaknow.

No sir, diversity demands that we define manhood down to accept rutting, theft, and predation. It also includes honoring a man who will cry at the drop of a hat and, of course, clean the house after mowing the lawn and washing the car. This, of course, in addition to his 9 to 5.

Today, the definition of manhood is relative. Just ask the faux-reverend Wright. But not to me.


Good article
greater comments.

The sad part is the divorce rate in this country. Over 40% of children are now growing up without a present father in the home. Without a man for guidance these fatherless boys are growing up with no male role model in their lives.

American society is already feeling the results of that.

wow!
I love that movie and especially that scene where the boys are following Bronson. The boys say they are following so they can pick up his gun and continue the fight if Bronson should fall. Then they call their fathers cowards for not fighting. That’s when Bronson responds.


The only trouble is that Hawkins can only have an intellectual understanding of the subject. He reminds me a little of my eldest when he and his friends were nearing college graduation. They had plans for the future that included never doing some of the things their fathers had done. I laughed and said that now I something else to live for. That now I could look forward to seeing how they passed through middle age and dealt with the burdens of raising a family.

The moral is: I’ll be damned before I’ll take advice from a boy on how to be a man.

Reason to pause.

Thank you, John.

This one was tough to read... without doing a little personal soul searching.

The great irony, though, is that the less urgency we feel about our own responsibilities, the more we look elsewhere... including to our government.






Real men
I think the best and most succinct way I've ever seen it put, was by Raymond Chandler in Phillip Marlow's last adventure.

A woman marvels, "How can a man who is so tough be so gentle?"

Marlow replies, "If I weren't tough, I wouldn't be alive. If I couldn't be gentle, I wouldn't deserve to be alive."

Amen
Well done, Hawkins.

Thank you for giving voice to what many of us know instinctively but rarely talk about.

What you're describing is the quiet strength of a man who has honor, integrity, and takes care of his family without regard for recognition. He just knows that it's the way a man should live, and he takes pride in his ability to shoulder that load.

I knew your article would soar when you began with that Bronson quote - one of the best in movie history.

Again, well done.

I was raised by such a man
and have sent 4 just like him out into society.
He is gone 30 years now, but the values he passed on to his family will live on for generations.
Those values built this country and no matter how much they are de-valued by liberals, they will prevail.

Outstanding.

Too bad so many don't understand it.

Selfish Sluts
Your ideas of a "Real Man" fits nicely somewhere in the past.
Today however, it seems to me that an overwhelming majority of young girls have chosen the path of vulgarity and cheap slutiness.
Boys are raised by single mom sluts and turn out accordingly whimpy, ill mannered, self centered and contemptuous of women. This contempt is mostly deserved. How can a real man be expected to "respect" wanton fornicators ?

Bravissimo!
I am going to send this to my boys and urge them to read it and think about it.

The only thing I would add is that a man should be willing to do all these things even if he never gets any praise from men, even if ill-bred women take offence or advantage, and even if his kids whine that he is a slave driver and they can hardly wait to leave home and show the old man how it ought to be done. A real man is secure in the knowledge that even if he never hears about it in words, those kids will someday admit the old man was right, and that the vast majority of the women who see those ill mannered sisters are cheering him on and wishing those sassy broads at the bottom of Lake Superior.

My Daddy is not a perfect man, but he has always done everything he could to be sure his wife and daughters were cared for and protected. Even when sirens lured him and it would have been a quick high to run off and let the chips fall where they may-- even when he could have spent his life racing stock cars if only he had ditched the wife who said *the girls and me, or stock cars*, he did not buckle under. Mama and Daddy have been married 62 years and although they complain about one another, privately they admit that after all is said and done, actually the other is a pretty good sort.

There are more of these men in the world than we know, because we take them for granted and glorify and blabber about the exceptions. Take time to thank a guy who is doing his job. It will probably surprise him and it just may make his day.

When I read this article,
it was as if I was reading about my father. Honest and responsible, he always put his family first. He always held chairs and opened doors for Mom. Still does as they approach their 53rd anniversary. He taught my brother and me to do everything on the list in paragraph 4. I consider myself very fortunate to have been raised by a real man!

Well said, Hawkins

Further, those "tough" banger types aren't even the kinds of guys I'd come anywhere NEAR trusting to "cover my back" in an alley fight.


If they can't step up in their personal life and claim their responsibilities, I'd be a total jackass to trust them in a tough, scary fight.


If you're used to running, then when the chips are down........ you RUN!

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