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Friday, January 25, 2008
John Hawkins :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Ten Most Annoying Things About the Race for the Presidency
by John Hawkins
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Change, Change, Change: Everyone seems to be campaigning as the candidate of change, but what does that mean exactly? Wouldn't a depression be a change? How about basing our economy on Communism instead of Capitalism? That would be a change, right? In fact, I think that's pretty much the core of Hillary's platform. Speaking of which, isn't it odd that in a campaign where everyone is paying lip service to change, the two front-runners are John McCain and Hillary Clinton?

Lack of Focus on the Issues: The Democrats are touting their diversity: They have a woman, a black man, and a white man still in the race, all of whom have almost exactly the same position on every issue. So, whatever the deciding factor is for the Democrats, it certainly won't be the issues.

On the other hand, ironically, the three Republican candidates whose views most closely mirrored those of rank and file conservatives -- my former employer Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, and Fred Thompson -- are all already out of the race.

This tells you a lot about how much of an impact the issues ended up having on who the nominee for both parties is ultimately going to be: not much.

The Candidates are Running for President, not National Pastor: I actually find it comforting to hear a little religious rhetoric from presidential candidates, but I don't really care what their stance on evolution is, don't want to see long debates about bookshelves that look like crosses in the backgrounds of political videos, and I don't think the key factor in choosing a President should be who sounds the most Christian. Religion in political contests is like eating green apples. Eating one is probably good for you, but you eat 10 and you'll end up with a stomachache.

Entitlement in Iowa and New Hampshire: If John McCain goes on to capture the nomination, in large part it will be because he spent weeks walking around the tiny northern state of New Hampshire, pandering and kissing up to people, many of whom refuse to vote for a candidate unless he has sat beside of them at a diner or shaken their hand.

There's certainly something to be said for retail politics, but it shouldn't be a decisive factor in choosing the President of the United States.

The Intra-Party Blood Feud on the Republican Side: I'm all in favor of taking a hard look at the candidates and getting all their flaws out in the open during the primaries. Moreover, if a few sharp elbows get thrown in the process, that's all well and good. Heck, I've even thrown more than a few of those elbows myself.

But, the childish pouting, hysterical tantrums, and bitter carping are starting to get out of control. Conservatives would be a lot better off if they stepped back, breathed deeply, and took Reagan's 80% rule to heart -- "My 80 percent friend is not my 20 percent enemy" -- before they help create rifts that may take the GOP years to heal.

Reaganmania: Speaking of the wit and wisdom of the Gipper, the way Ronald Reagan is being mythologized is getting downright unhealthy for the Republican Party. Conservatives seem furious that there is no other Reagan running for office. However, given that great Presidents come along very rarely, it's entirely possible that there won't be "another Reagan" in our lifetimes.

Worse yet, even the real Reagan couldn't measure up to the airbrushed Reagan that people are touting today. Yes, Ronald Reagan had moments of incredible eloquence that resonate as clearly today as they did 20 years ago, but he wasn't a mesmerizing speaker all the time. There were times when Reagan sounded bored, distracted, or just spat out dull boilerplate.

He also compromised with the Democrats and did things most conservatives disagreed with. Keep in mind that we're talking about a former Democrat who pushed through an amnesty, raised taxes, signed an abortion bill when he was Governor of California, and even though his heart was in the right place, deficit spending exploded under Reagan.

The reason I point that out is not to denigrate the man, because he truly was one of the greatest American Presidents, it's to get people to understand that we are getting too dogmatic and inflexible about what we expect from Republican politicians.

It Never Ends: Technically, the 2008 campaign season started before the election of 2006 and got going full blast at the beginning of January, 2007. At this rate, the 2012 election is probably going to start sometime around the midpoint of 2010, which leads to a pertinent question: does anyone have time to actually govern anymore?

The Gloom and Doom of the Electorate: We live in an age where a person with a $20,000 truck in the driveway of his $150,000 house, eats a steak, surfs the net on his computer, and then sits down and curses at the politician he sees on his 50 inch Plasma screen TV because he thinks that the pol isn't doing enough to make his life better.

Put another way, the gloom and doom we hear is in many respects out of touch with the real world. That's reflected in the fact that "84% of Americans say they are satisfied with the way things are going in their personal life," but "only 27% of Americans said they were satisfied with the way things are going in the United States."

Sound Byte Debates: Because relatively few people watch the debates and news outlets don't bother to go into much detail about what was said beyond funny lines, screw-ups, and who was fighting with whom, the debates have been incredibly shallow affairs.

The sad but honest truth is that a candidate who aims a vicious attack at another candidate and gets off a funny line will be helped much more by a debate than a candidate who goes into detail about well reasoned, popular positions. That's because 2-3 million people may hear the brilliant answer, but it'll never get another minute of airtime. Meanwhile, the clever quip or "Candidate X is a liar who is distorting my record" will be in front of 30-40 million people by the end of the next day on the Evening News, in the Drudge Report, on YouTube, etc.

Race vs. Gender vs. Class Warfare on the Democratic Side: The Democratic race has been particularly sickening to watch, not just because of how openly socialist the candidates are, but because of the grotesque way the Democrats encourage infighting among groups of Americans.

Obama, to his credit, hasn't tried to use his race as a crutch, but his supporters have cried racism left and right when he's criticized. On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has turned the campaign into a gender war. Vote for her and stick it to those damn men! Then there's John Edwards, who talks about an America that's right out of a bad Dickens novel and is pledging to tear down and destroy all the successful people in society -- with the exception of trial lawyers, of course, because he cares so much about the poor. Having a major political party that so habitually exploits and exaggerates the differences between Americans is not healthy for the country.

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I'm sick of polls
I'm sick of people telling me who is going to win

I'm sick of rich people ending up 'winning' what should be a free election by the people.

Yeah...
It's funny how early on Romney was the status quo candidate and now he's finally catching on and trying to out "CHANGE" Obama.

Romney is a manager, he follows trends and reacts to what's going on, to what his advisors tell him, but he's not a trend-setter, an innovator, a change agent or a leader by any stretch of the imagination. He says what he thinks people want to hear. As governor of Ted Kennedy's liberal state he was all for abortion and the gay agenda, he RAISED TAXES and called them FEES so he could later claim he never raised taxes. I do suppose he's changed a lot in his attempt to win the GOP nomination. But what does that say about his core beliefs? How's he any different than the Clinton's?

Doesn't anyone else get the feeling he's just a souped-up, used-car, global corporation salesman who'd just as soon invest in the Chinese economy than in ours? The Clinton's already sold us out to the Chinese do we really need more of the same?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bX2hkmE5zA

Tired of whining
I am tired of the whining -- by the press, the politicians and the proletariat. I would like to hear somebody say *Here is what needs doing, what part are you going to be responsible for?* and other people say *Well I can do this part, and my brother can do that one* -- instead of everybody holding out his or her hand and WHINING.

When did our country hire as our mascots Doug and Wendy Whiner?


McCain Attacked By Rush and Delay?
Are either Rush or Delay conservative? How much pull do Rush and Delay have with the GOP base?

WATCH VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/mccain-attacked-by -rush-and-delay


The hard truth of Mitt Romney as nominee
McCain beats Clinton: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/ general_election_mccain_vs_clinton-224.html If you check the Real Clear Politics average, virtually all the polls show that (RCP averge 2.3+ in favor of McCain).

McCain also beats Obama: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/ general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
(RCP average 1+ in favor of McCain)

Clinton beats Romney (Badly): http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/ general_election_romney_vs_clinton-230.html (RCP Average 11+ in favor of Clinton)

Obama beats Romney (Badly): http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/ general_election_romney_vs_obama-231.html#polls (RCP Average 18+ in favor of Obama)


The hard truth is this- Mitt probably won't swing any of the blue states, and he will have problems holding many of the Red States, where our current base of power is. He will stick out like a stuck pig in the South, trying to convince rock-ribbed conservatives and cynical southerners that a Massachusetts executive-type moderate Republican who is a recent convert to pretty much his entire political platform is either reliable, credible, or trustworthy.
http://www.blogsforfredthompson.com/mitt-romney-more-likely -not-general-election-loser

Well John
You got about half and half on this one, which is better than the last one. No, Reagan wasn't perfect while in the WH, but he had a Demo congress that he had to work around. He did NOT push through the first amnesty bill. That was the work of the fat cretin from MA, Teddy the Swimmer. True he signed the bill after it was passed, but that is vastly different than "pushing it through". In addition, there was no internet and collection of conservative blogs investigating these bills. Everyone then relied on the MSM for their news. We all know how that turned out don't we. ALL of the media supported Amnesty Round II. I suspect that if there had been a "blogosphere" then that Amnesty Round I would have been shot down too.

As for the 80% rule, that obviously does not apply to McCain or RINO Rudy, unless it is in reverse.

And that is the bottom line. We must take back the party from the RINO elites. If that means 4 years of Hillary or Obama, then so be it.

McCain Not Frontrunner
How is John McCain the front runner? Romney has way more delegates according to the delegate count on CNN's website. Shouldn't we describe "the front runner" by reality instead of polls?

Don't Like Bickering and Back Biting?
I think that it is the most revealing part of a political race. Politicians usually follow a corrupt immoral line of walk. The more I hear of possible screwups by politicians, the better for us voters. Hawkins, you are fairly accurate in your assessment but how about giving your best of predictions as to what things would look like a year or so into the tenure of the leading candidates.

00 - aipac has ensured
that EVERY candidate is an isreali-firster

perception is reality
The "Gloom and Doom of the Electorate" paragraph in Hawkins' article is an admission that the voter is angry.

I think that is why turnout has been so much heavier than expected in the primaries thus far.

Turnout is usually an indicator of whether the voter is happy or not.

If the voter is angry, and is energized to go out and cast a ballot, that cannot be good news for any candidate who favors the status-quo.

Notice, even Romney now is calling for "change"(after previously endorsing the status-quo). Hillary claims to be an agent of change. McCain and other republicans fondly align themselves with Reagan, not the current president.

The "surge", even if basically bribing the sunnis so they won't kill our troops, has had some short-term military success, sufficient for GOP candidates to call for its continuation.

But make no mistake.

Even they know the voter is in no mood for any more grotesque experiments on democracy-building in muslim lands, and there will be no more "Iraqs".


My view
on the presidential candidates is this: I don't much like a darn one of them.
You cannot get a simple yes or no to a question.
You can't get them to say "this is exactly what i intend to do".
They tell one audience one thing & another something else.
The've spent enough money galloping around the damn country to have an impact on the economy.
And lastly, they are an embarassment to all of us.

Mr. Hawkins
I, A Republican,will share my disdain.My problem is with the so-called Republican writers,who spend time talking about the Democrats.Why not spend your time and effort perusing the positions of our candidates.Your constant criticisms of the other party is old and at this point,POINTLESS.Borrow some CLASS...

pandm
LOL, you haven't been able to get ANY politician to do that since the early 1900s.

They NEVER give a plain and simple answer to a question as they ave been told over and over again by their handlers that that is political suicide. And you know what??? In most cases they are right; the sheeple don't respond well to plain answers.

Pandm: One candidate did say no!
Too bad Fred is out of the race. He said "no" to a show of hands at a debate. But no one wanted to listen to the man who had the answers to the problems facing our country because the MSM couldn;t fit it into a 10 sec. sound bite.
I am frustrated as Hawkins in that the best candidate has dropped out because telling people the truth is they last thing they want to hear and made him unpopular.

I vote on super-Tuesday, and will ask for a paper ballot so I can still write in his name.

When
they do state a categorical answer as to what they will do, the media looks the other way and the candidate drops out from a lack of free publicity.

Different perspective on neg. campaigns
"Vote for me because the other guy is a jerk" says candidate A. Candidate B says "vote for me because candidate A is a crook"

Who should we believe? I say we should believe both. In the primaries where only a few "popular" (meaning rich) candidates are left in the race, I believe the voting public should be given the option to check off "none of the above". In a winner take all state, all the delegates from that state must make their first vote for someone who was not on the ballot in that state. Such an option would stop most of the infighting and force politicians to give reasons why someone should vote for them, rather than as only the lesser of two evils.

I wouldn't mind having a "none of the above" in the general elections, or when a candidate is running unopposed. IF "none of the above" wins the majority, the encumbant is out and a run0off election of the next two highest vote getters in the primary get to run against each other.

My Ten Most Annoying Things
1) Hillary Clinton
2) Bill Clinton
3) People stupid enough to vote for the Clintons after the way they've behaved.
4) John McLame
5) People stupid enough to thing this mutt is a conservative and that he is electable
6) Mike Huckster-Bee
7) People who think he is anything but a slimy opportunist
8) Slimy, eely, mincing, duplicitous John Edwards
9) Ron Paul and his crackbrained zealots
!0) Fred Barnes, Bill Crystal, David Brooks and all the other barf-bag neo-libs who are members of category five but deserve special mention for their smug idiocy.

Try out these shoes
If you think you've got it bad, welcome to the world of Ron Paul supporters. Your own party thinks you are a bunch of crazies and then after attempting to screw you repeatedly at the state GOP level, wants you to obediently support these 80% "friends." I'm going to have to think about that one for a while but I'm not getting that warm fuzzy feeling at the moment.

Mitt can't win
With all due respect, I think Mitt is a catastrophe in the offing. First, of course, we have no way of knowing what he really thinks because he adapts to suit the climate. But more importantly, in the general election there will be a huge swing by folks who will not under any circumstances vote for a practicing Mormon. The bizarre history, doctrine and practices of that group will be examined under a microscope and the issue will be unavoidable. In addition, there are many very quiet Christian folks out here whe will be forced to jump the party rather than vote for a Mormon, and who will work tirelessly to avoid his election. Please, do not ignore the elephant. If Huckabee's religion is an issue, then certainly Mitt's should be.

Republicans have a number
of intelligent qualified candidates who are willing to take on a thankless job. All of all do not agree on all their positions. I wish though, TH posters would be more temperate in their responses about these candidates and when they disagree be careful in your comments, eliminate the name calling, and stick to ideas and facts.

Some of the rhetoric embarsses me as a conservative.

As for Romney, I think he wears well as is being shown by his increasing support. In my imagination, I see him in a debate with Hillary. He is well informed reflecting truly extensive and successful experience and not bogus experience from living in the Arkansas govenors mansion or in the White House. I can hear her voice getting shrill and angry. I can hear her attacking his integrity while he remains calm and factual just like we would like to view a President.

loco
Are you some kind of hypnotists?
You had me imagining a Hilary/Romney debate the same way! Can you also bend spoons? :)

Dr. Ron Paul, the only "Reagan" Republic
Folks, after all my research I am convinced that Dr. Ron Paul is the only fiscal conservative that will solve our economic woes of the future. He is the only one who understands economics, and understands how to get America out of debt by reducing our empire which is no longer necessary in the Global Economy we are living. He is not owned by the CFR or the Federal Reserve, and will do what is right for America rather than what the rich elites want to do with America. If you do no know what I am talking about, please Google Ron Paul and watch the videos on the CFR and the sham beginnings of the Federal Reserve. You will not find these truths in the Main Stream Media. Thank God for the Internet. Please do your homework and vote for Ron Paul in 2008, he is our only hope! Thanks for your time.

Ron Paul is no longer a candidate
If it were up to me, and it isn't, I wouldn't send a single reporter to either Iowa or N. Hampshire,
because from a farm state where you can drive miles and miles without seeing a building from one horizon to the other (I was in Iowa in October) and where most Huckabee voters reported they DIDN'T EVEN CARE IF THEIR CHOICE WAS NATIONALLY ELECTABLE to N. Hampshire (where I've never been and probably never will be) where a population of 1.3 million (12% the size of NYC) hijacks the entire presidential nomination process by media barrage should mean nothing.
Until candidates get to a state where independents cannot vote or where opposite parties cannot crossover votes, the meaning of a Rep. cand. or Dem. means nothing.
FL is a good-sized state with a diverse population and where registered party voters HAVE to vote for their own party is the first if only really meaningful primary.
Unfortunately, it falls after a half dozen other votes everywhere from Michigan to Nevada to the Carolinas.
The only group that benefits from this PROCESS is the interminable media, its ceaseless polls, its 24/7 yammering, that like Macbeth's solliloquy says, "is full of sound and fury" and "signigies nothing."

skep41
equally annoying is the the clinton's have given up fantasy that she is running for president but instead is now running on a return to the co-presidentcy the clintons inflicted on maerica in the 90's. But if they, by their own assertions were co-president doesn't the 22nd amendment bar both from running again. But the clinton are both arrogant enough to think america is dumb enough to return them to power. But hopefully the oblahma fascination will continue and all three with essentially self destruct by showing that both are ill-equipped by experience to be president. The dims are also the party that while claiming to be inclusive is running with the clintons to send the message that america doesn't want an uppity black running the country when rich white socialists like the clintons should be running it instead.

Think carefully before you vote:
Beware the politician who promises that the government will give you everything you need. Remember, the government does not actually produce anything. So if the government is to give you anything it must first take it away from you.

Presidential primaries
This article has merit. T.V.'s talking heads act as if the decision should belong to THEM, not the electorate. We need less polling and more honest reporting on the issues. We have one candidate who outshines the others, Mitt Romney, so the talking heads have given him the hardest time, perhaps because they didn't pick him. Mitt Romney is the most presidential and is the most intelligent choice. Romney is the only one with enough economic depth of understanding to really make a difference. He knows how to create and hold jobs. Without a strong economy, nothing else works! Romney has turned failing businesses into productive, profitable ones. Romney has real world experience with the global economy. He has used his knowledge gained as a Harvard business school and law school graduate to solve problems in private business, the Olympics and as a governor. Many consider Romney to be a economic genius.
Romney will absolutely support and defend our constitution. He supports states rights and individual rights. Romney believes in freedom. He will work for equal justice for every citizen and every state. He cares about those voters and states that other candidates have snubbed.
Romney is a man of integrity who has lived socially conservative values his entire life. He is free from the pay-back politics that always happen when a person has served many years in the senate. He will bring new vision, energy, and efficiency to office.
Romney asks the right questions, listens and learns, analyzes and evaluates carefully, and leads decisively. Romney is a TRUE Republican who is committed to the long-term strength of our nation. The more closely I examine Romney, the more I like him. Romney has my vote!

The Rock - Ron Paul
You are very much correct, but unfortunately most people here have turned a deaf ear to the truth. They would rather blindly follow what they are told to do rather than do their own research.

I doubt many hear even know what the Federal Reserve truly is or how it was formed or what the Council of Foreign Relations is. Most are in denial of facts even when they are presented to them.

You are probably better off reaching out to people who are not plugged into the direct propaganda machine of Fox News and, sadly, a lot of conservative talk radio. People here have closed their minds to anything that would challenge their world views.

renny
there is an argument to bemade for allowing independents to vote, but only in one of the primaries.

I think SC does it right by tracking the vote to assue that one doesn't vote first in one primary and then in another.

I think the way NH does it is a joke. They allow out of State people to come in and vote with NO residency requirements. That is open invitatyion to fraud.

The stuff that went on in Michigan I think was a one time shot caused by the Dem party killing their vote.

In any case I agree that both Iowa and NH have too much say in the process, but that currently is due to the press. As we have said on here a number of times I would like to trash the entire system and do something else.

Change?
The people can't be serious in their quest for change if Hillary and McCain are really the front runners. They've been in wash dc for a gazillion years! What kind of change is that?!

loco...I can see it too. I think Romney does have a chance wants he gets more coverage and is heard. He hasn't been in politics for long and isn't a fixture in washington. Against Hillary, he can really stand apart and bring that point home. Besides, Hillary gets visabily upset...Romney has the best poker face I've ever seen.

vic
in the sc primary in 2004, my wife being a repub wouldn't vote in the open primary as only dims were on the ballot. I however strode up proudly, signed my name took my ballot and pencil and put an x next to al sharpton's name. Warrior heinz/kerry had already told us in a previous "debate" that sharpton was an important voice in the dim party. Any party that welcomes and honors sharpton, deserves him

Vic
I was in Aruba on Nov. 4, 2004, and was forced to watch the US election on CNN or MSHBC (pardon me while I gag), and from the very first returns, both stations talked constantly of what the 2004 vote meant for 2008!!!

The press will kill democracy with its power and slant. I am a Giuliani supporter, which you are not, but I want to point out when Giulinai said last night that the NYTimes' sarcastic remarks about not endorsing Giuliani were kinder than most of the things ever said about him is positively true. He in some ways could never run a successful campaign as the NYC radical media have always hated him, and he, maybe arrogantly, but I think, correctly, has simply ignored them.

The biggest problem I see with McCain is not his position on illegals or his old association with the Keating 5 but that the media loves McCain for the moment. If he gets the nom., and I think he would be a powerful opponent against the Dems., then you'll see the press go negatively ballistic against McCain, in order to try an elect a Dem.

Candidate match-up
I took a candidate match-up quiz recently. I was not surprised at the outcome.

1) Duncan Hunter
2) Fred Thompson
3) Mike Huckabee

Since Hunter and Thompson are out of the race and Hunter is supporting Huckabee, guess who I'm voting for. I would love to see a Huckabee-Hunter ticket.

Wildwest
I guess you are right in a case where one side is not holding a primary the other can come in and do mischief. Did you know there is a bill staled in the Statehouse that will make it a requirement that you be a member of the Party to vote in that Party’s primary? I am not sure that that should be a case for “public action” though. It would seem to me that since a primary is a “private action” that the party could determine the rules for who gets to vote in their primary.

Renny

I agree that the MSM, including the NYT, while endorsing a Repub candidate during the primary will turn around and savage them afterwards.

renny
The keating 5 doesn't sit well with me either. I find it hard to believe the MSM hasn't slammed him on that one. Must be saving the wretched piece of intel for the general election arguments. His illegal record doesn't seem to be hurting him in the least. Or his soft stepping handling of terrorist that are captured.

Sheeple are scarey. They want change yet back a dc fixture. They want someone tough on immigration, yet back McCain forgetting how he put the entire country to work for months knocking down one amnesty bill after the other. The demand someone strong on defense yet opt for the guy that thinks water baording is torture, assuring terrorist that they fear no torture from us if captured and promises them tax payor funded legal representation. They are worried about the economy yet rush to support the multi billion dollar keating 5 fraud. They want a true conservative and run to the guy who consistantly voted with libs at every turn.

I don't want to hear any complaints from fellow conservatives again if they vote in McCain to represent conservatives. I'll sit the general election out with Rush.

McCain?
"My 80 percent friend is not my 20 percent enemy" - perhaps, but John McCain is only 20 percent my friend, and no matter how much the Establishment Media, RINOs, and Leftist Trolls here may howl, he will not be nominated unless it is to mean the destruction of the GOP.

early2rise
your fellow conservatives do not even know that the income tax system is the least conservative system available for government revenues. It taxes productivity. Your fellow conservatives go, so what. See what I mean. People who think they are conservative and still do not see taxing productivity as one of the biggest problems this nation faces are displaying their ignorance or are deceiving themselves or maybe are liberals posing as conservatives.

Limbaugh is no
conservative. Unless you define conservatism as maintaining the income tax system of taxpayers being the government's serfs. The government position is yes you can use our country and its resources to support yourselves so long as you give us a certain amount of your production for that privelege (?). That is what a liberal thinks. The taxpayer should be grateful the almighty government allows them to keep a portion of their hard earned production. Income tax the modern system of serfdom. The taxpayers are the serfs and Congress are the Lords in their castles. I pray that enough people will wake up to this reality and rise up against the income tax system.

eddie
I pointed out the obvious. I didn't even touch on taxation. But focused on the 'change' hypocricy. How you gleaned that conclusion from my comment is a mystery. Seems to me you might be the poser.

To go on and end your comment by labeling me and my fellow conservative party members as 'ignorant' is the epitome of ingnorance.

Sorry I didn't mention what 'you' thought was vital in 'my' comment. Only liberals are THAT sensitive and find 'harmful attacks' EVERYWHERE.

I didn't attack anyone. Nor did I call a single name. I stated the inconsistancies that are obvious to even Magoo. Relax pal. Take it easy. I'll fix my great offense.....

Attn. all TH posters: Please mention productivity taxation in your posts so eddie feels included. Sheesh!

early
You were guilty because you didn't bow down and worship at the alter of the unFAIR TAX.

Vic
LMAO....Guess so. I don't even like that alter let alone bending down to it. It ain't good.

early2rise
No, eddie is absolutely correct. The Republican party has been blinded for the past 7 years to what is really going on in America. I know. I was too up until last spring when I was forced to unplug from Fox News and other media outlets for a couple months. Upon returning, I was appalled by what so-called conservatives were saying and advocating.

Also, if you don't believe that there is bias, what these two videos that comprise a endorsement for Ron Paul by Massachusetts senator Bob Hedlund where he speaks out against the attacks leveled at Dr. Paul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTpHwG3UPgQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkIIqkeGD9g


what = watch
It has been a long week.... :-)

Khomar
Sorry, not a RP supporter. RP lost me when he ranted on about 9/11 being our fault. His isolationist theories did little to comfort me as well.

We'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one.

Boutte
No to mention, as the economy starts to become front and center (as it usually is, but even more so now), it is imperative that we have a good answer to the Democrats. Romney may know business, but Ron Paul understands national economics which is far more important for a president. In addition, Ron Paul is the only one with a real cure for our financial crisis. No one else is addressing the underlying problems with our government system, the Federal Reserve, and the value of the dollar.

My Sunday Service
I worship at the alter of no IRS and no income tax as my fellow Americans did prior to 1913 when Woodrow Wilson engineered the creation of the Federal Reserve Act and the Federal Income Tax. Two great feats in one unforgettable year.


Boutte writes: "Ron has the momentum"

Reuters/Zogby Poll 4%
USA Today/Gallup Poll 3%

4% and 3% isn't exactly "momentum!"



early2rise
"We'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one."

Fair enough. My problem with Romney is that he does not address some of my biggest concerns:

1) There is an effort now toward unification of the United States, Canada, and Mexico, and I do not know what his position is on this issue. I believe he is either a member or associated with the Council of Foreign Relations which means that he probably is for the unification.

2) He has supported the laws that have curtailed civil liberties in the name of the war on terror. This is a violation of Constitutional rights. We get angry when the liberals attack the Constitution, but we have given our fellow Republicans a free ride on this one.

3) His health insurance plan concerns me greatly as it does little to address the real problems in the medical industry. Forcing people to buy health insurance will merely ensure the revenue stream of insurance and pharmaceutical companies.

4) I still do not trust his recent "conversion" to conservative principles. It seems rather convenient that it should occur just in time to start a bid for president. Ron Paul, in contrast, has been a staunch conservative his entire life and is very strongly pro-life.


early2rise
"We'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one."

Fair enough. My problem with Romney is that he does not address some of my biggest concerns:

1) There is an effort now toward unification of the United States, Canada, and Mexico, and I do not know what his position is on this issue. I believe he is either a member or associated with the Council of Foreign Relations which means that he probably is for the unification.

2) He has supported the laws that have curtailed civil liberties in the name of the war on terror. This is a violation of Constitutional rights. We get angry when the liberals attack the Constitution, but we have given our fellow Republicans a free ride on this one.

3) His health insurance plan concerns me greatly as it does little to address the real problems in the medical industry. Forcing people to buy health insurance will merely ensure the revenue stream of insurance and pharmaceutical companies.

4) I still do not trust his recent "conversion" to conservative principles. It seems rather convenient that it should occur just in time to start a bid for president. Ron Paul, in contrast, has been a staunch conservative his entire life and is very strongly pro-life.


Another annoying thing
is one that has been alluded to by others, which is that states like Iowa and New Hampshire have such a disproportionate influence on the process. I understand that if they weren't first, their voices probably wouldn't be heard at all in the primary process (like Indiana's, my home state's). But Renny makes a good point. We definitely need an overhaul of the primary/caucus system.

Anne
Ron Paul recently placed second in the Nevada primary, and would have placed first in Louisiana if all of the other presidential candidates had not teamed up to create a "pro-life/pro-family" slate to run against him. Even still, the count is still coming in, and it is possible that Ron Paul could win that as well.

With Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter dropping out and Giuliani and Huckabee facing highly questionable futures due to lack of funds, Ron Paul's upward movement is indeed momentum.

But even more important than momentum, Ron Paul is right. That means far more to me than any polls or mainstream media presentations.

Anne is Right
Well Anne, I guess Ron isn't exactly lighting it up at the polls although the Rommelson (sp?) had him at 7% nationally yesterday.

Will he get the nomination? Barring mass scandel, earthquake or total economic collapse - probably not.

Will he continue on with his quest? Why not - he got second place in Nevada and Louisiana recently - and can raise money at the drop of the hat.

Are all Ron Paul supporters raving lunatics? They must be since they are organizing a grassroots effort to take over 180,000 precincts around the country.

Are the tin-hatters tied to their computers in mom's basement hacking polls? Certainly, but then 11,000 of them sneak out and canvass their precincts on a regular basis.

Do they look to the future and like what they see? I do.

Anne is Right
Well Anne, I guess Ron isn't exactly lighting it up at the polls although the Rommelson (sp?) had him at 7% nationally yesterday.

Will he get the nomination? Barring mass scandel, earthquake or total economic collapse - probably not.

Will he continue on with his quest? Why not - he got second place in Nevada and Louisiana recently - and can raise money at the drop of the hat.

Are all Ron Paul supporters raving lunatics? They must be since they are organizing a grassroots effort to take over 180,000 precincts around the country.

Are the tin-hatters tied to their computers in mom's basement hacking polls? Certainly, but then 11,000 of them sneak out and canvass their precincts on a regular basis.

Do they look to the future and like what they see? I do.

jacmicwag writes: "Are all Ron Paul

supporters raving lunatics?"

Most of them are... but Khomar is actually quite civil and honest!

We've had our go arounds, and we totally disagree... like 100%! But, for what it's worth, I happen to respect Khomar.




Ron Paul
Townhall recently featured an interview of Ron Paul by--if my memory serves me--John Stossel. The interview ran over three or four columns.

I found the interview to be very interesting; I also found Dr. Paul to bear little resemblance to the caricature with which I had previously been presented.

I'm not sure that I agree with him completely regarding his foreign policy, but I'm also not sure that he's wrong. Our current foreign policy has not gone nearly as well as I had thought it would, so obviously I'm no foreign policy expert.

On the other hand, he is the only politician I have ever heard who espouses absolute adherence to the letter of the Constitution and the intent of the founding fathers. I am passionately, adamantly, rabidly in agreement on this. And for this reason, with Fred Thompson out of the race, I will now support Ron Paul.

I doubt I will change any minds (minds are seldom ever changed, in my experience) but I would urge those of you who currently reject Ron Paul, and assume you know him, to simply question that assumption. Do enough research to satisfy yourself that you are making your own decision and not taking anyone's word for it.

Khomar
The NAU is alarming to me as well. Romney did say he was for a sovereign nation, but so did Bush. Unfortunately, with any of the candidates, we won't know for sure where they stand a given issue, regardless of what they say, until they're in office. Anyone we give support to, well, we're taking a chance. Bush seriously disappointed me with his part in the amnesty bill.

Romneys perceived flip flops might more of been compromises because his voting record has been fairly conservative. Measurably more so than McCains.

Romney's 2nd amendment stand I'm good with. He did have the NRA and an anti gun group sit at the table and he mediated (no easy task) an agreement. I'm wildly pro 2nd amendment, an NRA member, a handgun owner, and am comfortable with Romney.

But noone is for everyone. Do I agree with Romney 100%? No. But he is my 80% guy. Might not be yours, and that's ok. Looks like you're a Paul supporter from what I've been reading. Paul has some decent qualities too, but he rates at about 20% with me. Huck...10%. McCain -10%.

Annoying Race
I agree with everything in this column. It is ridiculous to have to run for President for nearly 2 full years, and annoying to us in the public who have to put up with such a protracted race.

Also, I heartily agree with the point about people with their new trucks, nice homes, plasma TVs, etc. complaining about how bad things are. Truth is most of us live beyond our means materially, lack a whole lot spiritually, and would rather complain than make things better.

Thanks for the good article.

who for president
liberals --- Clinton--Obama-- Edwards--McCain???
Conservatives---Romney--Paul
The only thing worse would be for McCain's partner in law McGrahm & Pelosi Or Reid to be running

#1 most annoying thing
The Economic Stimulus Package.
Wait a minute. Folks are fighting a war with Islamo Facists yet we need to stimulate the economy with Consumer Welfare. It's the quickest 150 billion ever spent. Haliburton can only envy the power of the Consumer.

Bullies
For that power of the consumer the administration is borrowing billions from a nation it once considered an enemy -- China.

I, too, am sick of a presidential campaign that is all about enriching everyone involved while the candidates shout at each other like backyard bullies. This one would be much more interesting -- a female and a black person are running for president, two incredible feats in American history, and the WASP establishment is trying to stop it -- except that by the time it will pick up steam we are all so tired of two years of presidential campaigning and the atrocious amounts of money spent on it.

Let's just get it over with and get on with figuring out how we are going to pay back the chinese.

I got even sicker reading about these ..
These are exactly why I am sick and tired of the politicians! Well, there are other reasons! But right now these are in the forefront!

I do not watch or read anything about the Presidential race! I may not even vote for the first time in my life at age 66!

I smell an evolution, or perhaps a revolution brewing! Hope it does not turn out to be a revolution! But who knows, we may need a revolution to correct our political problems!

for Vic
Vic claims: "No, Reagan wasn't perfect while in the WH, but he had a Demo congress that he had to work around."

FALSE.
The 1980 Reagan landslide also brought a Republican Senate, with the defeat of such famous liberals as McGovern, Church, Culver.

And while the House remained in Democratic hands, even there, a number of powerful liberals had been defeated for re-election, such as Warren Magnuson. So the political balance in the Congress had tipped right as well.

Change
It would be funny if a candidate switched the motto of their campaign from "change" to "disappear." It would send a fresh message. If you elect me the government will "disappear." Follow that up with "Ask not what your country can do for you, rather what you can do for your country." and we'd have a winner.

http://www.culturism.us

Anne
Good morning.
Now don't jump on my case, but with the situation and the FL primry next week, i'll probably vote for Ron. Here's why.
1. I want to be part of the voices for a shakeup in DC. Ron represents the disgusted wing of the GOP better than anybody left.
2. Goldwater went down to landslide defeat, but invigorated the voices for change and voila! An eminently electable candidate soon emerged representing the saleable ideas of the prickly goldwater. I hope Ron may well do the same.
3. Most of Ron's positions are to the right of his rival's, except for Iraq. No way are they going to believe a vote for Ron is primarily a vote to depart Iraq, and even if they did, they know they can't support that. So to go after his votes they must move towards strict construction of the constitution, tax reform, enforcement of immigration law. And by the way, i am not in favor of cutting and running in Iraq, but i do favor pulling our troops out of almost every place else, including spots like Kosovo, Cyprus where we are merely supporting UN dictums, which is support of an outfit that trashes us. And places like Germany, except on bases we need for power projection. Also, the situation in Iraq is so crazy, there is the possibility that pulling out could be best. It could result in a Sunni/Shiite war involving Iran and Saudi Arabia, thus keeping the jihadis busy killing each other for control (like Lebanon) or the Iraqis could bite the bullet and clean up their act. this is already the case in Northern and Southern thirds.

Ron Paul: Brilliant or Lunatic?
He swings from lucid to idiotic in mere moments. Every debate I find myself in agreement with him on a few things, then he goes back to his old refrain of isolationism and head-in-the-sand WOT beliefs - (which we can ill afford to indulge in at this moment in history.)

I also think he would be better served to lightne up and stop being so cranky 24/7. He is such a WHINER in the debates! Yes, he's authentic and that impresses me, but if he would just try to deliver his message with some optimism he would impress a lot more people.


Romney and Change
soulsamarai said: "It's funny how early on Romney was the status quo candidate and now he's finally catching on and trying to out "CHANGE" Obama."

jerabaub said: "Notice, even Romney now is calling for "change"(after previously endorsing the status-quo)."

Romney has been talking about change since the campaign began. Go on his website and type in "change" or "broken" in the search box. You can find all kinds of speeches and press releases from early 2007 when he talked about change. My point? You guys are making this crap up about him simply to paint him as a flip flopper. But your statements are flat wrong.

Romney and Mormonism
Someone above made an argument against Romney's candidacy that I've heard several times before: Romney can't win because there are a number of people who will never vote for a Mormon.

I gather that the point of this argument is that we should abandon our support for Romney because bigoted voters will eventually take him down anyway. So we might as well acquiesce before the going gets tough.

Note to all: People should support a candidate because they think he or she is the best candidate, regardless of irrelevant extraneous factors. My position is that Romney should get the nomination because he is the best candidate, and if he loses because of his Mormonism, then let the bigoted voters disgrace themselves by so voting (not everyone who votes against him, but specifically those who vote against him exclusively because of his religion). They have to live with it, not me. But if I abandon a good candidate because I'm scared of what haters think about him or her, then I have to live with being a coward and miss an opportunity to put a qualified candidate in the White House.

And besides, it is speculative at best to argue that Romney can't win because he is Mormon. Just as Joe's argument is speculative that only McCain can beat Hillary. Look, a year ago, Rudy was supposedly the only one with a shot at winning the Repub nomination. We have seen how erratic early polls could be, and polls regarding the general election are far too premature to put any stock into.

Kat
I too am unsure of Romney's true position, but I can assure you that Ron Paul is 100% against the NAU or any other attempt to unify our country with Canada, Mexico, or any other nation. He has been an outspoken opponent of this movement and has called their activities out into the open. Here is his position on this issue from his web page.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/american-independence-and -sovereignty/

The one thing you can count on with Ron Paul is that he will stay true to his word. He has the most consistent voting record of any of the candidates by far with a very clear vision of what he believes is best for the country.

10 things I hate about Huck
In no particular order:

1. Aren't Jesus and Satan brothers?
2. Frying squirrel on a popcorn popper and admitting to it.
3. 1000 commutations, including murderers.
4. Taxes = hope.
5. Shooting over reporters heads to tell Romney, "don't get in my way".
6. Saying we "broke something" in Iraq.
7. Saying we "need wing tips" in Iran.
8. $500 million taxes raised in AK which he was profoundly grateful for.
9. Stealing furniture from governor's mansion.
10. Wedding gift registries.

Oh, shoot, there's a lot more:

11. Government posts to donors.
12. Ethics charges/investigations.
13. Floating cross denial.
14. "Christian Leader".
15. Comparing himself to Jesus feeding the 5000.
16. Anti-Mormon push polls.
17. Class warfare.
18. Pressuring law enforcement to drop investigation of son's dog-killing crime.
19. Lying about role in DuMond parole.
20. Cold shoulder/ignoring the victims of the criminals he released.
21. HE IS A LIBERAL.

Okay, that should do it.

NO HUCK FOR VP - he is simply a disgrace to the GOP.

PC
In Ron Paul's defense, he is trying to say a lot in a very short time frame. He is consistently getting the least amount of time in the debates which means that he has often been listening for up to 30 minutes to opinions that he has serious disagreements with and not given an opportunity to rebut. I think any one of us might be a bit testy at that point, and given the circumstances, I think he shows a lot of restraint.

It should also be pointed out again that Ron Paul is not isolationist. He has always been a firm supporter of the military and a strong national defense. What he is speaking out against now is preemptive warfare, policing the world, and nation building. The military should only be used in limited, well defined and declared wars with clear definitions of victory. The fact is that we have won in Iraq. Saddam Hussein's regime was defeated, and any ability he had to wage war on another nation neutralized. But without a clear definition of victory, when will we ever be able to determine when to bring the troops home?

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/war-and-foreign-policy

The sad but honest truth...
"The sad but honest truth is that a candidate who aims a vicious attack at another candidate and gets off a funny line will be helped much more by a debate than a candidate who goes into detail about well reasoned, popular positions. That's because 2-3 million people may hear the brilliant answer, but it'll never get another minute of airtime."

Most people do not know enough about the ramifications of the details of any solid debate to even make educated decisions even if the pertinent sound bites were put out.

A majority now have their hand out perpetually.

Lastly, most people today don't have the attention span, particularly the younger ones, to even sit through an entire debate filled with material that may shape the rest of their lives critically.

McCain Hits Romney
WATCH VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/mccain-hits-romney

Duncan Hunter believes
Yeah, annoying.... it must be annoying to people like you who haven't even been to Mike Huckabees website and are listening to all the pundants instead of actually listening to Mike and see is a real conservative.....at least Duncan Hunter did since he is now supporting Mike Huckabee. But I haven't seen as much as a blurb about that from the chattering class. The only place you can see it is on Hucks website. Why? It doesen't fit the narritve of Huckabee is a liberal.
I know you and the guys at NRO and Townhall are scared out of your wits that an evangelical just like a black man had the gall to run on the democrat ticket. they are supposed to shut up and vote for whoever they tell them too. But trust is an issue. Either you believe that the guy running for president as a baptist preacher and all that comes with that. That he will be honest and truthful...etc...etc... or he is lying to us all and his one term in office will be a disaster.

Duncan Hunter believes ...do you???

Savage99: @ 9:00AM Good morning :-)
I do hear you, and to some extent I agree...

And I do suspect that there are many people who agree with much of paul's fiscal Conservative message.

But here's my point(s).

paul's notion of what prompted 9/11 is totally naive. The Islamics goal is to force the entire world to be Muslim, and simply pulling out of Iraq is going to solve nothing.

When they promise "Death to America" it's not because of our presents in the ME, it's because of their idiological goal to convert the WORLD to Islam.

I'm also not excited about paul's idea of pretty much dismantling some very vital (albeit not perfect) agencies... such as the CIA, etc.

And, the latest little tid bit, is the paul said he thought the "fence" was "offensive."

Makes me wonder how serious he is about securing our border...


Anyway, that's the short version...









Duncan Hunter believes ...do you???
Seeing as how Duke Cunningham and Brent Wilkes, both in prison, were also supported by Hunter, it doesn't say much for his assessment of character.

PC's comment -Ten things...
PC's comment (Ten things I hate about Huck)is SO TRUE! I couldn't agree more! Huck pretends to be a good old boy, but he is a Wolf in Sheep's clothing.

Anne
I concur with all of yours above. Just how Paul can fail to recognize naked aggression beats me. A lot of his stances fail to deal with natural limits on conflicting principles. Freedom is not unlimited in every direction. I voted against Nixon when he ran against McGovern, but i probably wouldn't have if i thought there was any chance McG would be elected. Same with Ron. But even so, even a president can't do anything/everything he wants. If that were true, Slick Willy would not have left an un-snapped thong in the WH. Uhhh...there WERE some unsnapped thongs, weren't there? Besides Hillary's, of course.

Mitt will take Fla. and begin...
to stop the confusion on the more sensible side.

Sanctuary City Regularization Rudy is through... he actually tried hard in N.H. and bombed. His signal issue (fear of terror) has faded in the public consciousness.

RINO Juan McQuisling? The old man wanders off the reservation of reason all over the place buddying up with Teddy the Swimmer, Feingold, and other libs, fighting tax cuts and court appointments-- what's to like?! The liberal MSM praises him precisely BECAUSE he sticks his wagging finger in the eyes of conservatives. Prediction: Mitt will win Fla. and Juan McQuisling will begin to run out of gas. As for Scamnesty, does anybody REALLY believe that McQuisling has changed his posture? He is an open border globalist-- been there, done that w/Presidente Jorge!

Talk is cheap about building the wall and enforcement, but Juan does not really want those things, much less believe in the goals. Like Presidente Jorge, he bought into the open border, "cheap" labor, future voter mantra. Such myopia does not ring true with Middle America, because unlike the rich remote elites, we actually live among the ILLEGALS, and familiarity rightly breeds contempt. McAmnesty CHOSE his path-- now he must live with it. Mitt is certainly not perfect as a candidate (who is?), but Tom Tancredo endorses him on the critical ILLEGAL alien challenge-- that is good enough for me. The left wants to run against the old man-- let's catch them with Mitt instead. The economy will be critical, and Mitt knows business AND being an executive (unlike Shrillary).

Presidential primary
Our nation needs Romney. He has spent his life fixing problems, from failing businesses to the Winter Olympics to making significant progress as governor of a state largely controlled
by democrats. He has learned to surround himself with other intelligent persons and to get the big picture before making snap judgments. Romney has demonstrated the leadership, intelligence and personal character to be an excellent president. Please support Romney so that some of his outstanding business and leadership skills can be applied to our national government.

Ronnie - Huck is a real stinker and liar
No, I don't believe Hunter that Huck is a man of character or integrity. He was a pastor, but I doubt he has much in common with most of them.

His ethical problems are out there for all to see. So are his flip-flops on positions from liberal to conservative in the past 30 days.

He chose to run a divisive, deceptive campaign. The deliberate question to the NYT reporter was not innocent. His plan to get his negative ad out via the press was on purpose. His denials are transparent.

He is in the mold of the Clintons as far as dirty politics, and in the mold of Jimmy Carter in his liberalism.

He passionately hates/envies Romney, while Romney has taken the high road and NOT made anything personal. That comment in the debate about Romney's wealth was embarrassing.

Huckabee is not worthy of any status in the GOP. He is a scourge to us, actually.

I'm Almost Convinced-Ron Paul
You have almost convinced me. I'm 73 years old and I have never been so confused and disappointed with the candidates by the Republican Party. What the heck are they thinking? Only a good stable conservative can beat the Communist Hillary or Obama media machine.
The media has made Paul out to be a nut when really he seems to have a passion for helping our country. Even though I am VERY much against leaving Iraq now, I'm leaning toward Ron.
And thank you, Hawkins, for calling it like it is....Communism vs. Capitalism.

perceptions versus realities
re:
"Ron Paul's notion of what prompted 9/11 is totally naive. The Islamics goal is to force the entire world to be Muslim, and simply pulling out of Iraq is going to solve nothing."

My father was a career Air Force officer and bona fide hero in Nam; he flew daily to Fail Safe points in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Before he died, he noted how Iraq was too reminiscent of Viet Nam-- the enemy is vague, dedicated and endless (there are > 1 billion Islamics, and 90% mistrust our motives there). Personally, I am all for bombing the RIGHT bad Islamics into oblivion, but let's consider REAL objectives versus reality.

Ask yourself this-- the nutty Islamic element pulled off a conspicuous stunt on 9/11, but do you REALLY worry about them bothering us here generally?! Has anybody noticed what the neoCONS had called for back in 1996-- about 5 years BEFORE 9/11? That much of our expense in Iraq has gone to building those 18 permanent bases to protect another country's flank? Have you also noticed that the perps of 9/11 had NOTHING to do with Iraq? That Saddam and Osama were ENEMIES?

If I am Osama, I am delighted with the results of 9/11... America has already spent > $1 TRILLION that it needs for entitlements, etc., on greater security at home (a good idea overall for America) BUT mainly also to take out one of my enemies and pixx of the Islamic world. Militant Islamic attacks are infrequent and unpredictable-- like hurricanes. We have wasted our treasure and good people in the big sandbox for the wrong ulterior motive; the CBO says it will cost at LEAST $2 TRILLION. Such a deal!

The Media?
>The media has made Paul out to be a nut when really he seems to have a passion for helping our country.<

Hardly. It's the sheep conservatives like TH poster Anne who takes every opportunity to label Paul a nut, as well as his Republican colleagues like Rudy G.

But it's fashionable to blame the media for everything, even if it's the Republican establishment that is responsible for marginalizing Ron Paul.

Economic Death Spiral



The capital formed during the latter 19th century and early 20th century is the capital that made the 20th century, the American Century, and gave Americans the highest living standard in the world.. That capital has now been squandered by the Marxism of Democrats, and replaced by massive debt, enormous taxation, and worthless money.


The economics of this disaster has caused investors taking their capital offshore, to places where capital is welcome and safer---- China and India, for example.


Unless the scapegoating of capitalism and business is stopped in an America burdened by this economic death spiral of massive debt, enormous taxation, and worthless money , the outlook for a prosperous America in the 21st century is foreboding and grim.


On a different note: "Carbon politics" (environmentalism), properly so-called, is merely the organized power of the rich Democrat class (Al Gore, Ted Turner, John Edwards, the Sierra Club) for oppressing and lowering the living standard of the common people.

Manchurian Candidate
John McCain is not to be trusted in advancing the conservative cause. His voting with Democrats and against conservative principles is proof enough.

McCain is the Democrat's Manchurian candidate

Hitler and Hillary
The Programme of the NSDAP (the Nazis), proclaimed by Adolf Hitler, 24 February 1920, seems to me to be identical to what Hillary is proposing-----the absolutism of Marxism, Naziism, and Fascism.
What America needs are believers in the philosophy of Ayn Rand, that is believers in the creativity of individuals, rather than believers in the absolute collectivism of Marxism, Naziism, Fascism, and Democrats.


Anne - The Threat of Islam
Ron Paul is well aware of the threat of Islam, and I am certain that there is a sizable contingent of Muslims who feel the way that you describe. The fact is that violence is built into the faith of Islam. Though most Muslims are peace loving people, by the very nature of Islam and its violent beginnings, there will always be a militant presence that will be a threat to the non-Muslim world.

However, what are we to do about it? If we are to fight militarily against Islam, that would require an entire eradication of the religion and over one billion people. This is not only impossible, it is unconscionable. We simply cannot fight Islam on the battlefield.

What Ron Paul is calling for is a tactical retreat so that we can use a different strategy. Instead of fighting Islam using our military in preemptive strikes, we will use trade, diplomacy, and good will. In essence, we will take the war to the one place that will make a difference and actually has a chance: the hearts and minds of the Muslims world. Just as we cannot change the minds of pro-choice people by yelling at them, we cannot hope to change the hearts and minds of Muslims with guns. We have to reach out to them with liberty, peace, and prosperity. We need to show them that there is a better way to live than to resort to violence.

This is not to say that the military is out of the picture. Ron Paul has always been a strong supporter of the military, and he voted for the invasion of Afghanistan as a response to 9/11. When we are overtly attacked, we should strike back in a measured and effective assault to eliminate the threat. This is what our military is so effective at doing.

Ron Paul is not talking about quiting the battle against militant Islam. He is merely offering a different strategy.

To PC
Blah ...blah....blahh Jimmy Carter Blah...blah....blah,...Rush Limbaugh told me Huckabee's a liberal so I believe,,,blah ....blah...Pc Get your head out of the sand.

Washington has told you who to vote for. Now go vote for Romney "The outsider" who was proven to have lobbiest on his team who has said quote "I believe it is a womans right to choose". Who signed legislation against the 2nd amendment. Vote for who you want but get your facts straight.

Huck has been consistant since I started following him in Sept.How conservative do you want. Huck is the only one to sign the no amnisty pledge. Huck has always been anti abortion, Huck is the only Gov with a concealed weapons permit, Huck wants the line item veto to stop congress, Huck has the only reasonable plan on taxes (the fairtax)

But you go ahead and vote for the "outsider" Romney. I suggest you quit reading propaganda and go to mikehuckabee.com.

RINO
Yes, the whole political process is out of whack, but what are we to do. Shall we go Communist/Socialist? Then we won't have to spend time on it. It will be done for us. Karl Marx, "Socialism is the necessary step to Communism."
The reason McAmnesty supposedly beats the Dems in a poll is because he is closet Dem. So the Dem pollsters and press like him. As we've seen before the polls are stupid. Kerry was supposed to WIN, according to the polls. I will vote the most conservative line no matter what. As far as Mormonism? All the Mormans I've met have had substancially better morals and values than many Christians. They put Christians to shame many times. We aren't voting for best church! Let him who has no sin cast the first stone. The Huckster is just as slick as slick Willy and Hilly, as some smoothe talkin preachers and is no conservative, so I won't vote for him. I can find nothing I disagree with with Romney on his web site, and as he said in a very liberal state, he couldn't always change it. At least he admits when he was wrong or couldn't do some point. McAmnesty just lies and pretends it was right. I do like Rudy, except for the abortion, etc issue. Yes, it does come down to the lesser of two evils somewhat. But, as a very very conservative person, I'll do my best to promote conservative values no matter what. And that doesn't include Rino's! If a RINO ruins the country, Conservatives will get the blame. If a Liberal Whacko ruins the country they'll get the blame...except in the case of the Clintons, and then they'll find someone else to blame.

Here is my proof on Romney PC
Where's yours on Huckabee.


Romney’s Record(from NRO)
Similarly, this year’s presidential candidate from Massachusetts has a thin record to back up his claims of support for the Second Amendment. On his website, you can find two accomplishments:

First, in 2004 he signed a bill which reformed some aspects of the extremely severe and arbitrary gun-licensing system in Massachusetts. This would be an impressive accomplishment if that were all the bill did. But the bill also made the Massachusetts ban on “assault weapons” permanent. (The previous ban was parasitic on the federal ban, which expired in September 2004.) The bill that Romney signed was a compromise bill, approved by both sides in the Massachusetts gun-control debate and widely supported by both parties in the legislature. The NRA considered the bill to be a net gain, but it’s hardly the unalloyed, pro-rights success that Romney now claims. As governor, Romney declared his support for banning so-called “assault weapons.”


On abortion....

http://www.trusthuckabee.com/site/c.jpIRKUOwFqG/b.3580423/k .BD74/Home.htm

If he lies about these what else will he lie about....Oh Yeah, I almost forgot this lie...

From Townhall's star Parker:
Apparently when Romney said, "I saw my father march with Martin Luther King," in his much publicized "Faith in America" speech, this was not exactly true.





Romney now says that he meant this "figuratively."

According to the former Massachusetts governor, "If you look at the literature or the dictionary the term 'saw' includes being aware of in the sense I have described. It is a figure of speech...."

We haven't seen a politician parse a sentence like this since Bill Clinton dissected the meaning of the verb "is" and explained that it was Monica who had sex with him and not the other way around.

So go on and vote for the liar Romney....

Change?
How about we elect a President that could deliver change without sound-biting the word and has a record that supports its delivery?

How about we elect a President that could example most of Reagan's platform (save Reaganomics in a Federal Reserve system) (note: Reagan called for a committee to investigate going back to some sort of a gold standard), yet doesn't plaster his/her campaign with "Reagan Reagan, Reagan" AND was actually a respected friend of the man. Have some respect for a dead President CANDIDATES!

How about we elect a conservative who really is just that? Huckabee, Thompson and Tancredo all had elements of conservatives (yes, I think Huckabee is done), but not one of them has a real clue on fiscal conservatism. You can not have that without addressing overseas spending, sorry.

How about we elect a candidate that runs his/her campaign as he/she would their office? On message, no pandering, clean, and fiscally sound.

How about we elect a President that would restore our constitution, enable sovereignty, civil liberty and security?

How about we elect a candidate that has a short term stimulus plan and a long term economic policy that would make the Nation great again and secure?

Do I really have to name him?

You should. More people should.

We need him.

Our children and grandchildren need him.




Ronnie
I agree with your critique of Romney, but I have serious problems with Huckabee. He has been brought up on ethics charges 14 times (5 of them earned him an admonition and $1000 in fines). I also question his character due to his questionable campaign tactics such as his comments about Jesus and Satan being brothers, denying the use of the cross in his commercial, and the I'm-not-going-to-show-negative-ads-but-here-is-mine trick. Since he has brought up his faith front and center, I do not feel it is wrong for me to consider his character more closely. His history with the Southern Baptist convention and more specifically his opposition to their recent reformation also concerns me.

I also have serious doubts about the Fair Tax. You say that he is the only one with a sensible plan, but what is wrong with Ron Paul's idea of cutting spending so that we can cut and someday eliminate income taxes? I fear that the Fair Tax will result in higher taxes, especially for the middle class Americans who are already facing a serious crunch with rising food and gas prices. I also question the transition period: how do we implement this while dismantling the income tax at the same time? Are we guaranteed to eliminate the income tax forever, or are we going to end up with two tax systems instead of one?

I actually liked Huckabee when he first hit the scene, but the more I have seen him in action, the more questions and concerns I have concerning him. I have been watching him closely since the earliest debates, and he has changed his tone. Actually, he is sounding more and more like Ron Paul, quite frankly, to the point where he is practically stealing Ron Paul's talking points. However, I have seen little evidence to show that he truly believes those principles as strongly as Ron Paul. His record as governor lacks the evidence.

early2rise
perhaps you misunderstand RP's astute understanding of foreign affairs. he was questioning motive. motive is important when understanding crime.

btw- he DID vote (and was one of the few who did) for a Letter of Marque and Reprisal to go after Osama Bin Laden.

He understands that:

- we installed the Shah, got an Ayatolla
- funded/trained Osama/Mujahadeen against Ruskies
got a terrorist
- fund israel and then fund their enemy thrice more (saudi arabia)
- supported sadam against iran, got a tyrant
- support a military dictatorship, Musharaf, that overturned a democratic election

funny how the 9/11 commission AND key CIA counter-terrorism experts AGREE with Paul's questioning of motive.

funny how the MILITARY supports RP like no other candidate.

funny how Reagan said: "Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country."

So, before you drink any more 9/11, Jihad, Terror, Terror, Terror coolaide, consider how we could really become secure and independent and force our enemies to their knees.

It does not involve their backyard or their oil.

Hey, did you hear Citibank was bailed out by foreigners?

Hey, did you hear that we will need to borrow money from foreigners for our "economic stimulus plan"?



Re: Ronnie
Huckabee said he stood with Bush on the surge. What do you think, did he mean that literally, or figuratively? I can't stand this can't of stupidity in our political dialogue.

And to say Huckabee has been consistent, give me a friggin break. Here is one for consistency. "I'm not going to run a negative campaign, but I came up with a negative add, but I'm not going to show the ad, but maybe just this once, but then I won't show it again." Yeah, consistency to its core.

Re: Pdubya
I'm with you, thats why I'm supporting Romney.

A couple points to Ronnie
The day Rush came out and finally told the truth about the Huckster and McCain I shouted for joy. I've studied all the candidates for at least ONE YEAR NOW. From the first debate I spotted the Huckster as a fraud. All of his actions since then have only confirmed my initial impression. (I actually tried to like him because my sister was impressed - she's since come to her senses.)

You haven't got much in your arsenal against Romney. He signed a bill banning assault weapons that was overwhelmingly supported by the public and legislature. In doing so, his justification for it was the best interest of law enforcement. It was net gain according to NRA. The VP and soon to be pres. of the NRA, David Keene has endorsed Romney.

I also "saw" my father do many noble things in my life even though I didn't personally witness them. I never understood what the whole flap was about because I knew exactly what Romney meant. It's just nonsense for those who cannot find an honest criticism.

Romney's character far outshines the Hucksters. No ethics violations, no fakeouts on negative ads, no religion-baiting, no lying about floating crosses, no snide comments about personal wealth or lack of, no jabs at Romney to foment class warfare, no shooting guns over reporters heads a a message to Romney (LOL) no campaign managers wishing to knock Huck's teeth out . . . .

Very funny stuff, actually, from a guy who is strangely similar in style and tactics to some other folks from Hope.

Oops, I meant no jabs at Huckabee
from Romney, about anything.

bravado:
respectfully: i suggest you're misinformed. romney's economic policies would create less sovereignty and security, more conglomerates, and his bent on fighting jihadism and doubling gitmo are frightening.

he has little respect for the constitution, no understanding of the military and blows in the political wind in my opinion.

former sf cpt, usa, ME
son of retired marine col, Vietnam

i have relatives in mass, you don't want romney.

Re: Pdubya
Specifics please.

What specifically about Romney's plan would create less sovereignty than we now have, as well as less security?

Why is a determination to fight jihadism a bad thing, in your mind?

What problems do you have with doubling gitmo?

In what way has he shown disrespect for the Constitution?

How did you draw your insightful conclusion that he doesn't understand the military?

I have friends in Texas. You don't want Paul.

And, what is your argument to support the proposition that pulling troops out of Iraq at the present time is a good idea?

good post-- I agree
re:
PC writes: Saturday, January, 26, 2008 2:00 PM
A couple points to Ronnie

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I am from the South (Ga.) and proud of it, but we sure have had some artful con men on the national stage for some time-- Carter, Slick Willie, and now the Huckster. The Huckster may have signed a pledge against Scamnesty, but those who know him in Ark. say they he could not welcome ILLEGALS there fast enough. Now he claims to have "gotten America's message" along with Juan McQuisling... they want Middle Americans to ignore what they have DONE vis-a-vis the ILLEGAL invaders and trust that they will have a new agenda for ILLEGALS. I gotta' side with Mitt on that, trusting Tom Tancredo's conclusion that Mitt has walked the walk, not just talked the talk.

Amen! (no pun intended)
John:

You are exactly right!!!!

I think the pre-convention years have been harsh. I have traveled around a lot of the stump circuit and I get some hostility from folks who rteally shouldn't be so hostile. (I was touting the "Draft Condi" campaign in '05 and '06.)

When I'd give speeches in South Carolina, I'd get lots of applause, only to have other campaign reps jeer at me. I have GOP friends in my hometown who think badly of me . Competing against friends in the pre-convention process can cause lots of hurt feelings.

I only hope we can all make up with each other in time to support the final GOP nominee.

Its all good?
"...my former employer Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, and Fred Thompson -- are all already out of the race."



Yep, all gone.
Lets dream about having a real conservative to vote for, while the Republicans make their fundraising calls. TALK ABOUT "COLD CALLS"!! What do you say? Its like listenting to a vaccum cleaner salesman who dumped dirt all over your carpet claim he will clean it up, pronto. GO figure.

Republican Deadlock?
I just read an article entitled "Who Said Fred's Dead?" on http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/01/ and I hope that Positive Thinking will work on this subject. I hope those of you who wanted Fred Thompson for President will join me. I felt the media was always against him (even O'Reilly), so he wasn't getting a fair shake from the powers that be. If there is a deadlock when it comes to the Republican Primaries, I think a Thompson/ Romney ticket could win. If not, how about a Romney/Thompson ticket?

edieb

Ron Paul
If you want to find out what Ron Paul actually believes (versus what the media or others tell you he believes), check out his issues page on his website:

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/

Also, I would encourage you to search for and watch his speeches on YouTube where he expounds on his positions or check out RonPaulLibrary.com for his documented speeches in congress and writings on various topics.

I think you will find that you agree with him a lot more than you might realize.

Does it matter which state goes first...
...Iowa/New Hampshire or, say, California? THere STILL would be complaining that California would get all of the media attention, all of the candidates' money, etc. . . . AND would have a larger number of voters turning out than in IA/NH combined.

Of course, there's the problem of all of those who are here illegally who might vote illegally (with the help of such as the Mexican consulates in CA)! (i.e. Loretta Sanchez's wins in Orange County--how many votes were illegal?) Call it racist if you must, but remember--more than 20% of the electoral votes to win the Presidency are in California.

Until there is a way to MAKE a potential voter prove that he or she who votes is a U.S. citizen and has lived in the precinct for a set time (even 30 days!) instead of Motor-Voter . . . think about it.

Status Quo Presidential Candidates
Looking back over the past 7+ years what I see is the "status quo" made up of many members of congress- Ron Paul, John McCain, Hillary, Obama and Edwards. Look back at the record on votes of these people (which many voters won't do). These votes affected the nation. The votes of the others only affected their states or cities.

These remaining candidates-Huckabee, Romney, Gulliani had to live with the results of the former candidates vote's. Some of the status quo candidates didn't even show up for many
of the votes!!!

Let's see a Mayor or Governor try that!

Amen II
Melvin H.:
You are soooo right! The Republicans.... whoever they are, should be in California shoring up the African American vote by bringing up the fact that their community is all in favor of closing the borders and kicking out the illegals.

I can't wait to see (or hear)the response from the African American community when Obama and Hillary start defending their immigration records.

Is a Conservative allowed in RNC

A man of courage, conscience and Constitutional convictions will have a hard time finding investors. After watching the shameful antics of our Versailles Congress and their pork barrel profligacy we can understand that honesty and integrity are not valued in either party. Our political leaders have shown themselves as rentable as a car at an airport. International financial interest, as well as K Street lobbyist, now seem to restrict who is allowed to run for office.
If Duncan Hunter or , as a distant second choice, Ron Paul, do decide to run as a third party candidate, there will be many who will remember the Party that forgot to protect the border, reduce regulations and the growth of government. We will remember those who falsely promised to protect national sovereignty and gave us NAFTA, CAFTA, and a host of free trade agreements. We will remember those who constantly collude and collaborate with liberals and progressives with their UN agenda such as the Kyoto Protocols and the Law of The Sea Treaties. We will especially remember the McCain Feingold author and the supporter of the “Censorship instead of the Constitution, Fairness doctrine, I voted for Patrick Buchanan and Ross Perot before and will vote for a conservative regardless of party. We owe no allegiance to the Republican Party, only our conscience and convictions.

RINO McCain
Suppose McCain is the nominee. As it appears the Dems may pick up more Senate and House seats, can you imagine his vetoing ANY of the liberal claptrap that they'll send up to him?

With that slimy Hernandez beside him, he won' need no stinkin' conservatives impeding his amnesty program. It will sail through, probably with even more perks for the illegals.

After the TV hosts ask him what his plan is (now) he always replies, "We have to secure the border first." Even on the rare occasions when asked what he will do next, he usually only launches into his boohoo routine about not deporting the mama of a service man overseas. No further details on whether he would urge Congress to cut off benefits for the illegals here already, or even enforce fines against employers knowingly hiring them.

They all took lessons in obfuscation and parsing from Slick. It made him beloved, don't you know. If he's running against Obama, it will be the old guy vs new guy. Against Hillary, the old friend against the fun traveling companion. Except of course she won't hesitate to slice and dice him. My friends (as he would say), the future doesn't look very bright for conservatives or Republicans in general or America, God bless her!

The Cry For "Change"
One wag among us reports that, at least as far as The Left is concerned, their efforts to effect "Change" could begin with a new box of Pampers. Seriously speaking, though, if we really want change from what we have, we have to begin with the person opposite us in a mirror.
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