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Thursday, December 13, 2007
John Hawkins :: Townhall.com Columnist
Everything You Need To Know About The Top Tier GOP Candidates In A Single Column
by John Hawkins
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Here's a brutally honest (Oh boy, am I going to get a lot of angry emails) breakdown of all five of the top tier contenders (Full disclosure: I was a consultant for the Duncan Hunter campaign and he's still my favorite candidate).

John McCain: Johnny Mac is a fiscal conservative, has a lot of experience, particularly on foreign policy, has a strong pro-life voting record, and he polls very well. This is a man who can win over independent voters and therefore, is capable of beating Hillary Clinton.

However, the New York Times’ favorite Republican has made a career out of breaking conservative hearts on everything from campaign finance reform to immigration, to taxes, to judges, to enhanced interrogation techniques. It's a pattern that has been repeated again and again. A huge issue for conservatives comes up and then McCain leads a group of squishy Republicans who very publicly side with the Democrats. In return, McCain gets to bask in waves of positive attention from the mainstream media, which lauds him as a straight-talking maverick in return for his betrayal of conservative principles.

That's why John McCain is loathed by so many grassroots conservatives and it's why he would be extremely frustrating to conservatives if he made it into the White House. Moreover, it's entirely possible that his excellent polling numbers which are based on the great press he receives, would evaporate along with all his positive coverage once he became the GOP nominee -- instead of the Republican in the Senate most likely to side with Democrats. So, even his solid poll numbers that appear to show he’s electable are far from a sure thing.

Mike Huckabee: Despite what some people are claiming, Huckabee would be a fun guy to run against Hillary. That's not just because he would drive the Christian-hating netroots crazy, but because you just have to think that a former pastor who's the most charismatic, likable candidate in the race, would almost have to do well against the cold, corrupt, wicked witch of New York. Trust me; if it all boiled down to Huckabee and Hillary, no one would have a hard time trying to figure out an answer to the classic, "Which candidate would you most like to go to a ballgame with," question. Heck, even Bill would probably choose Huckabee if he thought his wife wouldn't find out about it.

On the other hand, although Huckabee is rock solid on social conservative issues, balanced the budget in Arkansas, and has abandoned his pro-amnesty stance for a great new plan to deal with illegal immigration, he comes across as a big government Republican, an enemy of free trade, a tax hiker, a nannystater, and more than a little bit of a ditz on foreign policy issues. In other words, if after two terms of George Bush, you're sick and tired of hearing the words "compassionate conservatism," this is not the guy for you.

Moreover, his biggest strength also may be his biggest weakness. Huckabee is a former pastor and sometimes, when you listen to him, you start to wonder if has taken a little bit too much of the mentality of his former profession into his current one. Just to name a couple of examples, he seems to have been far too lenient with illegal aliens and criminals when he was governor of Arkansas. Put another way, I really like my pastor, but I'm not sure he'd be hard enough to deal with Iran, Al-Qaeda, or illegal aliens. I have those very same doubts about Mike Huckabee.

Rudy Giuliani: As you've no doubt heard from the man himself if you've watched any of the debates, Rudy has a great record of fiscal conservatism and did a phenomenal job of dealing with crime when he was Mayor of New York. He's also charismatic and has gotten a lot of credit, deservedly so, for his great leadership in the aftermath of 9/11.

However, if Rudy had been anywhere other than ultra-liberal New York, given his positions on the issues, he probably would have been a blue dog Democrat instead of a Republican. Rudy is not a conservative and he would not make conservatives happy if he actually got in the White House. That's true of conservatives in general and doubly true of social conservatives, who would undoubtedly stay home by the millions rather than vote for a pro-abortion candidate who has had multiple affairs and associates with the shadiest cast of characters this side of the Clintons.

That brings us to what's supposed to be Rudy's greatest strength: his electability. While you might think that a moderate, generally well liked New York Republican would put all sorts of blue states into play, the head-to-head polling that has been done so far doesn't bear that out. At the moment, Rudy isn't beating Hillary Clinton in a single state that George Bush didn't win in 2004. Moreover, it's John McCain, not Rudy, who has consistently had the best head-to-head numbers nationally against the Democrats. Since Giuliani isn't a conservative, if you take away the electability angle, what's left that makes him worth voting for?

Fred Thompson: "The Fred" is a peculiar case. He is a consistent, movement conservative whose views match up better with those of the base than any of the other top tier candidates. He's a fiscal conservative, a federalist, a man with a perfect pro-life voting record, and all the right positions on illegal immigration. He is also, by far, the most popular candidate with conservatives online, quick on his feet, has a good sense of humor, comes across as presidential, and more than any other Republican running, he has put out serious, detailed policy plans. Judging by that, you'd think he'd be dominating the field. So, why isn't he?

Simple: Because he got in the race too late.

Initially, it may have seemed like a smart move to wait to jump in because Fred's poll numbers kept going up. But eventually, expectations became so sky high that no one could have lived up to them. So, when Fred got in the race, he was almost destined to disappoint people -- and he did. Fred and his campaign took about a month to get their sea legs, but unlike the other campaigns that had their growing pains at the start of the year when no one was paying attention, the Thompson campaign was under the microscope and being examined by people who were practically expecting him to be Reagan reincarnated. Meanwhile, many of the people in the conservative press savaged Fred mercilessly because they had already picked out a candidate to back before he ever got in the race and so they never saw him as anything other than an impediment to "their guy's" chances of winning. Today, Thompson's campaign is well run, he's working as hard as the other top tier candidates, he has proven to be an excellent debater, and he's still probably the only top tier candidate who has the potential to give the majority of Republicans someone they'd like to vote for, as opposed to someone they'd only vote for out of fear of a Hillary Clinton presidency. However, despite all that, he still has yet to get out from under the shadow of the negative first impression that was left with people when he first entered the race.

Mitt Romney: At first glance, Mitt, who has become the de facto Republican establishment pick since McCain tanked, looks like a good candidate. He has charisma, he looks presidential, he has a solid business background, he's run a great campaign, he can raise money, and he doesn't seem to have a lot of baggage. He also says all the things that conservatives want to hear about illegal immigration, spending, and foreign policy.

However, he has three major league problems.

The first, which has been discussed ad nauseum during the campaign, is his religion. It turns out that roughly 18% to 24% of the population already says that they won't vote for a Mormon and that number is likely to increase if Mitt gets the nomination as the mainstream media spends a whole year trying to convince the American public that Mormons are weird, racist polygamists, who all wear magic underwear and are looking forward to increasing their numbers exponentially once one of their own becomes President. If you winced reading that or thought it was unfair, just imagine what it would be like seeing it for a year straight on the evening news and in your local paper if Mitt gets the nomination.

The second problem Mitt has is that he's a flip-flopper (Is it my imagination or didn't our party spend 2004 beating up on John Kerry for that?) who shifted his positions markedly to the right in an effort to make himself more palatable to the sort of rock ribbed conservatives who tend to vote in the GOP primaries. The reality is that the Mitt Romney who is running today does not hold the same positions as the Mitt Romney from a few years ago and if he won the nomination, the Mitt Romney who runs in the general election is probably not going to hold the same positions as the Mitt Romney you're hearing from today. In other words, Mitt isn't telling people what he believes, he's telling people what they want to hear, and that means if the polls change, his views will probably change as well if he thinks it's to his advantage.

For example, Mitt used to be pro-abortion, pro-illegal immigration, and ran to Ted Kennedy's left on "gay rights" issues. Now, he's anti-abortion, breathing fire on illegal immigration, and an ardent opponent of gay marriage. So, what positions would he hold if he wins the presidency? Since he doesn't seem to have many core beliefs, you almost have to think he'd simply follow the most politically expedient path.

Both of the two previous problems have led to Mitt's biggest problem, one which seldom seems to be discussed: he probably cannot beat Hillary Clinton in a general election. His head-to-head numbers against her in the states have been and remain terrible. Whether you like Mitt or not, having him as our nominee would be horribly depressing because it would likely mean that not only would we lose the presidency, we would spend all of 2008 knowing that we were going to lose. It would be like the 1996 campaign all over again with Mitt playing the part of Bob Dole, the guy who is way behind and generates no enthusiasm from the base, going up against a hated foe of conservatives that he isn't capable of defeating.

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HUNTER FOR AMERICA

Securing the border and enforcing the law is the only way we get to keep our rule of law, our representative Republic, and our Constitution. We must elect a President who WILL secure the border and enforce the law. If citizenship becomes meaningless, this will no longer be the United States of America.

The so-called "top tier" will not get out the voters necessary for a GOP win. Increasing turnout is the key. Give people something to vote for. Not just the lesser of two evils. Won't work this time. People are fed up with the inundation of illegal aliens. They would come out in droves for the clear choice of D=amnesty or R=enforcement. They will stay home if they both equal amnesty.

There is a huge majority of American citizens waiting for someone to pledge to uphold the laws and secure the borders, let's not ignore them any more.

http://www.gohunter08.com

Do You Want To Keep Your Country?


We must elect someone who will not try to shove "Comprehensive Immigration Reform", amnesty, down our throats. We tried that once in 1986 and it failed miserably. We now have 10 times the number of illegal aliens. We will either elect a President who will uphold the laws or one who will change them to accomodate the illegal aliens. If we do the latter, we are voluntarily committing national suicide.

Hillary's Achilles Heel

Hillary is still singing the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" tune (all the Dems, really), not realizing it is her swan song.

The only issue I have ever seen 75-80% of Americans agree on is stopping illegal aliens. Any GOP candidate that is credible (not Rudy, McCain, or Huckabee) on this issue could win in a landslide.

The biggest problem is the RNC has sold it's soul to the cheap labor express. They are determined to nominate an amnesty candidate, even if it means losing the election. Stupid Party, indeed.

These opinions are your own
I don't agree with the characterizations you've made. You have a distinctly inside politics viewpoint. The average American (and the vast majority of the electorate) does not spend this much time thinking (?overthinking) politics.

Instead, many wait to the last minute, let the media present the candidates how they will, maybe watch a debate or two to help form our own opinion, then cast a vote. The outcome is unfortunately based more on our own initial biases with a little addition of how the candidate looks and presents him/herself than any deep investigation on the issues. In other words, if we come into this with a certain political bias we aren't likely to change unless the other party's candidate just looks (both policy-wise and phisically) way way better then ours.

Thanks for the column
It was a good summary.

The only thing is this: I don't vote in primaries. I guess I should find out if I can in the state of CA since I'm not a registered Democrat or Republican.

In any event, even if I could, I wouldn't know who to vote for. Well, I could narrow it down - it wouldn't be Huckabee, I'm not that fond of McCain anymore, Ron Paul is too radical for me. I also expected more from Fred Thompson, but was also disappointed. Maybe he'll pick up some.

I would consider Guiliani, I think, but that's because I'm not socially conservative. I thought about Romney, too, but I don't like flip floppers. I voted for Bush even though he's pro-life. I know he's not the best speaker, but he doesn't usually budge on his core beliefs and I can at least respect that even if I don't agree with him. Kind of like Reagan.

Can we just clone Reagan instead (but remind him that his 1986 illegal immigration thing didn't work)?

But really, as the article said, we need to have someone that's not going to be like Dole. We need someone that can beat Hillary, because you know she'll get the nomination. And Americans sometimes just vote in a different party to see what happens because they figure they've had 8 years of a Republican, so let's try something different. That's what happened with Bill Clinton - it was time for a "change" regardless of what that change might mean.

So ultimately, I hope the Republicans choose someone on that basis, because I think that is the most important thing right now.

Just my humble opinion of course. :)

ladykrystyna
Why do we need to bring Reagan back? Do the Iranians or Taliban need more weapons?

Misleading statistic alert!!!
Hawkins writes: "It turns out that roughly 18% to 24% of the population already says that they won't vote for a Mormon..."

It would be interesting to get a breakdown on that percentage; how many of that 18-24% are liberal democrats? My guess is that over 95% of those who won't vote for a Mormon also won't vote for ANY openly religious candidate.

Common sense tells me I'm right. If you disagree with me you're a fool... (just thought I'd try a debate technique endemic to liberals; rather unappetizing, actually)

MikeR
YOU said: Why do we need to bring Reagan back? Do the Iranians or Taliban need more weapons?

Whatever.

I meant that at least he was consistent in his political views, he would be just as tough with the War on Terror and maybe he would have learned something with his mistake regarding illegal immigration. Plus, he was fiscally conservative.

That pretty much covers all the things I'm looking for in a candidate at this point.

If just one GOP was like that then I could get behind them, but as it is, well . . .

Too easy on old Fred
You forgot about old Fred's ardor for McCain-Fiengold...some conservative. What a lame Republican field

More on Huck
Here's something about Huck's son that should send a chill down any normal person's spine. Of course, those of you who advocate torture should relish this story - sadly enough. http://www.utopiarescue.com/oldsite/stop_animal_torture.ht m

What is it with Repubs and dogs, anyway? This is one mean-spirited party, that's for sure....

I agree with the author,
None of these candidates would be my first or second choice for President. That person would actually uphold all facets of the Constitution. I don't like what obtaining the Presidency has become. In a country of hundreds of millions, we are given a handful of candidates to choose from, most, if not all, who are millionaires. The fact that it costs so much money to run promotes favoritism and illegal activities in exchange. If we haven't reached the point where all of the candidates are dubious, we will soon.

Couple of things
Hawkins forgot to mention Fred's extremely heavy baggage. That is the reason he flopped.

1. looks and acts old.
2. has a tremendous gender gap.
3. was a lobbyist.
4. can't run a campaign.

Further, I would disagree with his comments on Romney. Romney's head to heads nationally are just as good as Rudy's (Rasmussen). Romney's head to heads in late primary states will improve once he campaigns there.

If you ask voters (not adults) if they would refuse to vote for Romney (not a generic Mormon) his resistance is better than McCain's or Rudy's.

The results on the Mormon Question depend on how you ask the question and the pollsters are asking it in a way that appears to maximize resistance to Romney.

It is a polling trick. Time Mag ask it right and Romney did very well. Only Fred did better.

top tier
All the top tier are globalists willing to sell out our country for a mess of pottage. They all support the creation of the North American Union. That includes Huckabee who gave a speech at CFR not too long ago.

I don't think anyone willing to work for the destruction of our country (like Bush) and lie about it deserves to lead our country.

I am voting for Duncan Hunter in the primary.

Good column, John.
I would have to agree with much of what you said. I also happen to like Duncan Hunter, at least what little I know of him. It makes me angry that the Republican leadership is pushing these "soft conservatives" as top tier candidates while ignoring the candidates who truly support conservative values. I keep sending their requests for donations back with a note that says "no money until I see a true conservative candidate."

Huckabee, McCain, and Guliani all make my stomach turn (all RINOs.)Paul is too weird to my liking. Romney I am not sure about. I like Thompson and Hunter the best, followed by Tancredo (who will never be given a fair shake.)

MikeR
The Iranians and the Taliban won't need much in the way of new weapons if we have an all Leftnut government. The history of Democrat administrations is to starve the military and use the money to buy votes from poor people. Your enemy doesn't have to be very strong when you are on a diet of bread and water.

annoying
So why does he not cover Huckabee and where is the paragraph on Hunter? I like Hunter.

A Defining Moment for Fred
Did anyone notice what might have been the defining moment for Fred Thompson in the latest debate? That was when the MC, Nurse Rachett, asked the candidates to raise their hands if they thought GW was an important issue--and Fred had the balls to refuse.

That was a Reaganite moment: Remember in the New Hampshire primary debate Reagan overrode the master of ceremonies and said "Let him (Bush) speak. I paid for this microphone!"

A defining moment when we realized that Ronald Reagan was a leader!

What makes these guys the Top Five?
I demand an explanation.

Is it mandatory CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) membership?




Sentence, Acronym for the so-called
Top Tiers; They are all globalist shills and sellouts.
RINO's. Why do we need an entire column?

Give me someone who puts this nation and its citizenry first or count me out. I'm finished with my part in perpetuating the nonsense every four years and hoping for a better outcome.

Hawkins get a "B".
Pretty good analysis. Much better than average.

I might quibble slightly with Huckabee. I don't think he would be that strong of a candidate.

Democrats, and the democrat-tilting media, are holding their fire on Huckabee, hoping the GOP nominates him.


Wow
That's gotta be a record -- five "but monkeys" in one article ("he's great, but...").

None of the Repubs is perfect but the worst of the lot is likely far superior to Hillary or Obama.

Voting
is a responsibillity as well as a right and NO media in ANY format is being a responsible reporter when they even imply that ANYONE not vote if they can't vote for their favorite.
This suggests to far too many that it's OK to not employ our most powerful tool in democracy.
ANY vote is better than no vote.
A third-party candidate winning would have few friends in Congress and would force the mian parties to reassess why they lost the Bully Pulpit.
"The only vote wasted is the one not cast"

Duncan Hunter Folks:
Just exactly when do you see Duncan Hunter pulling ahead as Huckabee has recently done?

Someone above noted that the top-tier guys are seemingly favored by the GOP puppet masters while the "true conservatives" are being ignored. I submit that the GOP puppet masters realize that the nominee must possess the qualities necessary to capture the votes of the undecideds, independents, and disgruntled Dems. To me, that means a middle of the road guy is more "electable" in the general election than a "true conservative."

I'm still very much on the fence. If he weren't second tier and a congressman (they do not go directly to POTUS) I'd be sending money to the Tancredo party. First, because he's behind the FairTax, second because he's right on 90 percent of the issues for me (although I'm pro-choice on everything). And then there's Huckabee, because he's also a FairTax supporter, but I have many reservations about the rest of his positions.

I am curious why several have said that Huckabee is the candidate the Dems are pulling for. I suspect in a one on one debate he would make mincemeat out of most of the Dems.

Well Mr. Bill
It works like this, our nation was created as a Constitutional or Representative Republic, not a democracy. Don't believe me, reference Benjamin Franklin.

Insanity has been defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. If I cast a vote for Giuliani, Romney, McCain, or Huckabee and expect our nation to be put on the road to a different destination, then I delude only myself.

With few exceptions, and for all the posturing, there is precious little difference between the establisment republicans and the democrats, stylistic for the most part.

For my vote I want the entire dime's worth. If it takes another Republican drubbing to get them to notice or awaken the segment of our citizenry that actually gives a rip, so be it.

Why should 'electable' = wishy-washy?
"None of the Repubs is perfect but the worst of the lot is likely far superior to Hillary or Obama."

Arguably that's true, but we've bought into that kind of thinking far too long. It's not enough to merely be a little better than Obama, nemmine Hillary. We've had "our guys" cave on fundamentals for far too long, without even bad reasons for it.

Why are we STILL even talking about McCain at all?! Is there no better use for server drive space & bandwidth?! He attacked free speech/press/petioning for redress which hadn't been on the table seriously since the Alien & Sedition Acts.

It's not merely a matter of philosophical defense of the 1st Amendment & petitions clause, it's the very concrete fact that the recent conservative political victories are a result of our being able to get the message out & reach ordianary people in spite of the established pop media. How can someone whose actions threaten to cripple the conservative movement be considered conservative or good for conservatism. He got his attaboy from the pop media, now let him go home & put it on his mantel.

Guiliani? He's at best a Hubert Humphrey Democrat with some executive cred. To Demmies of the '60's he might seem a bit radical leftist.

This bunch has been been wobbly if ever there at all. Fred comes the closest to having his heart in the right place on fundamentals, & why bother w/ someone of whom even that isn't so?

pre-emptive VP strike
which ever (top teir) Republican cadidate figures out that a pre-emptive choice of VP can patch up his weak spots (like any of them taking on Hunter or Tancredo for VP) that make them suspect to the base.

VP choice is traditionaly done after party nomination, in this case the one that patches his image first may well get the nom.

Pretty good summary actually
The only snag: The electability analysis assumes Sen Clinton will be the nominee. I think that's FAR from certain. Would an Obama ticket change the analysis?

AGREE ON FRED - PART ONE

.....If the worst things that the MSM can dig up to attack Fred is that he looks old ...supported his friend McCain on McCain-Feingold ...and was a lobbiest ...then Fred should be in like Flynn when compared to what the media can use against all the other candidates ...

.....Fred made a tactical mistake when he waited too long to enter the race ...no doubt about that ...but when he did enter he was attacked immediately ..."Fred was too laid back" ..."Fred was lazy" ..."Fred didn't have the fire in his belly" ..."Fred was too old to have such a young attractive wife" ...

.....His press coverage dropped to practically zero ...it was hard to tell that he was still in the race ...on the other hand ...Huckabee received millions of dollars worth of free coverage ...the operative word "SURGE" was coined ...and Huckabee became a media darling ...

.....It is in the eleventh hour for Fred but he still has a long shot chance ...the last debate was Fred's best and his refusal to participate in the silly "raise your hands" request might have been his seminal moment ...

.....Fred intends to skip NH and spend the rest of his time in Iowa right up to Caucus day ...if Fred can cut into Huckabee's lead and move up in the polls and then make a strong showing in SC ...then Fred is still in the race .....COLOSSUS

Anybody but Hillary
I like Romney, but think Thompson is coming on stronger and stronger in the debates and he more closely reflects my views and being older than he, I don't think he is too old. He did jump in too late therefore the good campaign group he has assembled is battling up hill.

My opinions
stated above are just that...opinions. And so are those of the article writer and all you responders to the article.

Anything can happen between now and the election!!

AGREE ON FRED - PART TWO

.....The key is ...how long can Fred survive before his numbers start going up? ...if Fred is still in the race when some of the bottom tier candidates start dropping out ...assuming that their supporters were true Conservatives ...where will their votes go? ...Romney? ...Giuliani? ...Huckabee? ...I think Fred will pick up a majority of those votes and this makes him a serious contender ...

.....If the race were down to Giuliani, Romney, Huckabee and Fred ...who would you vote for? ...

.....I think Fred is the closest thing to the Conservatism of Reagan that the Conservatives claimed they were looking for ...but now they are overlooking him ...why? ...

..... I think Conservatives have been side tracked by a clever MSM campaign that slants its coverage to try to put a Democrat in the White House ...I think they use the term "electability" to try to get Conservatives to support candidates that are really not true Conservatives but that "can beat Hillary" ....

.....Be aware TH .....COLOSSUS

Splitting your vote
The conservative wing seems destined to split their vote several ways virtually assuring a RINO as the nominee.
Ron or Fred or Duncan. Keep your shoulder to the plow guys.

Rudy would make this conservative happy.
This Goldwater conservative would be pleased to see Rudy in the White House. He's conservative where it matters: fiscally! He'd cut domestic spending and build the military, which is where our money should be spent. Social issues are unimportant. THEY DO NOT MATTER and shouldn't come into play when electing the leader of our country.

I'm the voter they should be targeting
Great analysis.
I am one of those that is not sure where to go with my vote (Florida FYI). I know the general election will be a Republican vote because I think I can at least hold my nose and vote for any of the Republicans (Top or bottom tier).
I think most Republicans are in the same boat. We see glimmers of what we want from each of the candidates, but none of them have put it all together.
It isn't that they haven't defined themselves well. It is that they have defined themselves in such a way that I have to weigh all good and bad in each it is coming out to a dead heat.

Rudy's got national defense and seems like the candidate that won't take any BS from any tin horn dictators.

Mitt's got the executive experience and business saavy to understand the issues businesses face.

Huckabee's got the FairTax which I love.

Fred's seems to be the most clear about his positions and has the strongest conservative record.

McCain's doesn't do anything for me though. He may be a hybrid of the other 4 but in the wrong spots half the time.

If Fred, Rudy or Mitt got with the FairTax I would be on board with any of them. Right now it's a toss up. I don't think Huckabee can do anything to improve his standing with me.

choices
Regarding the current pestillential candidates of both Democrat and Republican parties, the currently running Wendy's ad is right on target. "Choice don't mean a thing when there's nothin' good to choose!"

Thompson/Hunter 08
This would be the perfect ticket as far as I'm concerned. I have been following Fred's plans for a long time, and I agree with him on everything. It has been the MSM that started with the too tired, too laid back and the most offenseve of all, No fire in the belly. They all chirp the same things. They don't listen to the message.
Stop with the 'stardom" effect of all these men, and listen to the message.
"Thompson/Hunter 08 Go Fred!!!

RON PAUL WINS LANDSLIDE ELECTION!
That's what I think would happen if everyone examined Dr. Paul's position on every issue. This man is clear in his stated beliefs and his record is 100% consistent. Stop believing the media and the GOP insiders when they lie to you about Ron Paul. Listen to him speak about his every position; it is all on youtube. The CFR and the World Bank are terrified of Ron Paul because he is exposing their very real agenda. Take the red pill.

As a former GOP worker bee; I'm out. If the GOP nominee isn't Ron Paul or Duncan Hunter; I'm staying home, because it does NOT matter who wins.

backerin
I like Ron Paul's positions a lot. However, I think his campaign has not gotten any traction because those that campaign for him act like complete buffoons sometimes. It seems almost cult like in their approach. Ron needs to justify his position on foreign intervention too. Isolationism isn't going to work.
Ron's supporters are very loyal and I respect that. However, when the only supporters I hear sound like cultists in thier praise it comes off as creepy. That results in Ron being viewed as your crazy senile grandfather that lives in the attic, fairly or not.

Jerseyvet
I agree with you. I think the gop is wimpy. They have allowed these debates to go on on every channel without name tags underneath the speakers' faces. This was designed as far as I am concerned by the liberal media who did not want to help the gop establish face recognition. You see people interviewed after the debates and they need to vote and they are uncertain of which face goes with which name. The dems are less hurt by this because everyone knows Hillary the woman and everyone knows Edwards the white guy and Obama the Black guy, and most people know Biden so that leaves a couple of people the media don't care about.
Ok so Keyes was involved this time. But the rest of the candidates are white men. It is what level of conceit that people think that people can recognize them, including Blacks and Asians and Hispanics who can have different facial cues for recognizing differences? This is the biggest problem with Hunter.
Anyway the other candidates walk around taking orders like they are kindergarten children with a teacher. Only Thompson and Keyes stood up to Ms Ratchett. Congratulations Thompson. You stood out from the crowd. And now the debates on Tv are over I thought I heard. Talk about stupid. The main thing necessary in marketing is that people remember the name and the face and they let the media cut out the name. They have the stupid place of the debate under all the faces. Frankly who cares if it is the Iowa debate. It could be the Idaho, Illinois or Indiana debate. Who cares.
I believe the media did it intentionally and the Gop says yup yup yup yup yup whatever you say, you are the media. Disgusting. And this for people who want to be president of the U.S.









Hawkins
I already know who I am going to vote for - Hillary - and I have no reason to believe that she can't beat anybody that is out there so far. She still thrives in spite of all the slanderous jabs people throw upon her. In fact, I think those have been a help rather than a hindrance. I mean really, she killed Vince Foster!!! Keep it coming. Most of America knows you're crazy and will remember that in the polling booth.

But the real reason why I wrote is to tell you, Mr. Hawkins, that if you didn't look so much like my son, I would never open up your column. Except that I'll bet my son is at least 50 lbs lighter.

You ought to loose that weight and you would be
one handsome dude, just like my son is. And if
you want to be even more like him, you will vote
Democrat.


arp1407
I have to agree.

I have a copy of "The Case For Gold" (co-authored by Ron Paul), that I have read dozens of times since I found it in the 1980's. I usually respect Ron Paul's positions, but his campaign frightens me.

1. He has allowed semi-official spokesmen to make statements that make him sound either antisemitic or like a believer in conspiracy theories. (And, to be honest he himself has made some statements that sounds like a 9-11 Truther too.)

2. Some of his followers are far too deep in the CFR/North American Union conspiracy theory camp

3. A lot of his followers share a problem with the FairTax proponents. They don't want to discuss issues, they take any criticism as attack and dismiss those raising questions as idiots.

I don't know if I would support Paul or not if he had different supporters (some of what he has said recently has been a bit troubling), but I know his current cadre of supporters worries me terribly.

A laundry list of elites!
This column is just that. The main problem with our election process is that it has been hijacked by the elites. The DEM/GOP/MSM propaganda machines have developed a very clever strategy.

First, they have promoted the big lie over and over until it has become accepted as true. That lie is that only "they" have the necessary wisdom, knowledge, and experience to govern.

Secondly, they have pushed forth the liberal/conservative ideological battle that keeps the sheep in their proper sphere, voting the lesser of two evils.

The result of this power hold by the elites is constant partisanship rather than leadership, and the continued growth of big government, the diminishing of personal freedoms, and in the end, more influence to the internationalists who hate America.

If we want to restore the Constitution, rule of law, and will of the people as the principles of how we govern ourselves as a free people, we need to make sure that we do not elect another elite from either party in 2008. In fact, denying them the Presidency is the best way to get their attention.

We are the rightful owners of this great country and we should be very concerned about how much power the elites have accrued and how they are mortgaging the future we are passing off to our children. If any of you are interested in a more complete discussion of how the elites have duped us and what we can do about it, I urge you to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG.

It is the one place you will find a candidate with no ties to party machines, PACs, corporations, and corrupt lobbyists. Check out the site, why not? The elites have stolen our inheritance! Shouldn't we be working on a plan to reclaim it rather than wondering which elite we are going to trust one more time? Thanks, Joe

Too bad all you talk about
in terms of "electability" is their chances at beating Hillary, when the Dem candidate is so obviously going to be Obama. Changes the game a bit; to wit, they'll all lose.

Andrews and the FairTax
I am a supporter of the FairTax and I somewhat agree that they hide behind the "read the book" line. It is a complicated issue and it does require more than just a brief answer to explain it fully. I find that the opponents of the FairTax use inaccurate statement about it much more than the other way around. That's probably why the tell them to read the book. I have not read it, but I have listened to Boortz and read other writings on it so I think I understand it pretty well.
The common thread I see in critiques of the FairTax are caused by them not taking the implementation all the way to the end. They stop short of the end result then fire away. I'll try to defend it to the best of my abilities.

/end thread hijack

Andrews: Why are we scary?
I'm a sixty year old grandfather of eight, married to one woman for thirty three years, no drugs, no arrests, no bankruptcy, same corporate job for two decades, and a guy who's worked for the GOP, and donated a bunch. The tags "scary" and "idiot" that you apply to Ron Paul's supporters are frankly puzzling. I've found that when I sit down with anyone, one on one, it is easy to explain his positions, because he is telling the truth.

Let me ask you what is conspiratorial about Paul's positions on the CFR and North American Union? The CFR really exists, they have a website, we know who belongs, we know what they want to do. And as for the North American Union; did you perhaps miss former El Presidento Fox, of Mexico, explain to a drowsing Larry King that President Bush, along with he and the Canadian Prime Minister, are planning a centralization of government, along with a new currency called the Amero? Sorry, this isn't a conspiracy theory, it is a fact, and Ron Paul is opposed to it, just as he is opposed to our involvement in the U.N, and our disastrous banking system. He wants to save our nations sovereignty, or solvency, and our freedoms.

I'm sure you are as much a patriotic as I; but you will rue the day, the people didn't embrace Ron Paul.

McCain exposed
This is a great description of John McCain. One reason he is still being mentioned is there's a small chance that the Democrats & Independents in the People's Republic of New Hampshire might cross over and elect him. Another reason is that many Republicans are blinded by the glare from his POW halo, and will never see or admit that McCain did anything wrong.

I mean after McCain lost to Bush in 2000 he spent years in a temper tantrum revenge campaign against the party, openly working with the Democrats to do as much damage as he could. Who besides a POW could get away with that?

When Romney changes his mind on an issue he's called a "flip-flopper", but even though McCain has flip flopped on almost everything during the past six months, no one would dare say it because he's a POW.

Good job, John analyzing
Huge thanks to those who are discussing the issues instead of tossing insults. Let's continue-

Talking about the Fair Tax is a gimmick to keep us sidetracked. I have no problem with it, good idea, but it will never happen, especially with any Democrats in Congress. What politician will amend the constitution and take away their ability to steal from our wages? There would have to be the bill in Congress plus the amendment and it would be years of wrangling to get there. Huck will be long retired or dead- as will you and I, likely.

Rudy is Clinton II- totally without morals. Why would we believe anything at all he might say? And what he does say- ok for illegals, abortion, gun control, serial adultery- taxpayer money spent on mistresses- not conservative.

Romney has flip-flopped and appears to have no firm convictions, but will say whatever will get him elected.

McCain- remember immigration, the gang of 14, arrogance- always thinks he knows what's good for us better than we do.

Hunter- I like him, but he's just not going to rise to the top. Maybe VP or SecDef later.

Fred should have had the bags removed before the campaign, but he obviously thought character means more. His life shows he's not lazy or dumb. I assume he has a campaign strategy that didn't include letting the MSM set the pace. Maybe he's right, that all the others will implode shortly. He is right on every major issue- Supreme court, Taxes, reign in the govmt,fix SocSec, close the border and ship the illegals out by attrition- against redistribution of wealth and entitlements out of control... He's got it all.

LEMONADE

.....You posted that you intend to vote for Hillary, assuming she gets the nomination ...would you care to post your reasons why? ...

.....Hillary would give us National Health Care ...one of the reasons we have a National debt is because of unfunded mandates ...Our debt causes our dollar to be devalued (Only Paul seems to understand this) so therefore it takes more dollars to buy anything ... the Dimowits believe that costs go up because Big Business is greedy and Hillary and her ilk encourage this ignorance ...

.....Hillary's Health Care would add to the debt and make matters worse ...but she says that she will get the money by taxing the rich and the Big Corporations ...now I might not be the brightest bulb on the tree but how does taxing employers help their employees? ...

.....Won't those taxes cause more layoffs ...higher costs ...more jobs going overseas? ...maybe Hillary would mandate wage and price controls? ...that has never worked before but maybe Hillary has a magic formula ...

.....The problem is that the Gov't spends more money than it takes in ...the Dimowits solution is to raise taxes but they still want to increase spending ...they will always want to spend more money than they can raise in taxes so the problem will only get worse ...

.....The real solution is to cut spending to the point where we begin to pay off the debt and build a surplus ...only Paul seems to understand this but he'll never get a chance to implement his ideas because he can't shake his kooky label ...

.....The Dimowits ...or the mindless mob who votes for them ...don't want to cut spending ...they want Government goodies as long as they think someone else is paying for them ...and that is the bottom line problem ...the ignorant mindless mob gets to vote in the National election ...the saddest part is ...any moron who votes for Hillary will cancel out my vote .....COLOSSUS

We need Huckabee. Wake up people.
If you want a president that will be pro-life and stand up for you against the oppression of the militant homosexual agenda to force their sexuality in your face then you have three choices for President. It is either Huckabee, Tancredo, or Hunter. Thats it folks. There may be others that are somewhat conservative, but none of them other than the three I listed see the militant homosexual agenda as an important issue, and none of them support a marriage amendment. Because of the alliance of liberal democrats and liberal or moderate republicans, California starting in January will now have gender based off of feelings, rather than biology. This means your children are going to live in a world where boys will be on the girls basket ball them, be a cheerleader(in the girls uniform) and be homecoming queen. And that is not all. Starting at that same time, children will not longer be able to refer to their parents as mother and father. That is simply too offensive. And don't think that this is the end of the line. It will go futher and futher. There has already been gay marriage legalized in America in the Northeast. Which has grown and expanded to New Jersey and is still spreading. So if you continue to speak against Huckabee, just remember that you must be a very pro-homosexual person, as well as someone who doesn't care so much about the abortion issue. I am telling you that if you do not acknowledge that these issues are the most important issues we face today, then just give it some time. More and more you will begin to see.

We
Face it, conservatives. We're screwed no matter who is elected president. Unfortunately, Hunter and Tancredo don't have a prayer. The remaining
wee-publicans are just articulate copies of Jorge Bush. Thompson's OK but without his Hollywod make up artist he looks old and .... old.

Obama is a silly, starry-eyed little boy with a fierce nicotine habit. As president, he would quickly founder in his own naiveté. Can you picture Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan and "The Opra" with offices in the White House.

Hillary is a ruthless self promoter and a thoroughly corrupt and contemptible person. Already her candidacy is infused with illegal campaign contributions. Expect much more when ... YES WHEN! ... she becomes president.

Liberals win this one and get what they've always wanted. Stalin in a pant suit.

Take another look at McCain, Pt. 1
Speaking just as one conservative Democrat, I hope people will take another look at John McCain.

I candidly admit I'm not enthralled with the top-tier Democratic candidates and I'm even less impressed with those on the GOP side. If this is the best our country has to offer at this critical juncture in its history, it's a little scary.

Still, the one candidate in either party for whom I would cross over and vote without reservations -- and without voting for the lesser of two evils -- would be McCain.

No, I don't agree with him on every issue. There are some issues where I have strong disagreements with him. Yet I would argue that he has some crucial qualities that our nation very much needs today.

He has experience in both war and peace. His personal story from Vietnam is well known. While I disagree with him on the entire concept of neoconservative foreign policy and the utility of the ongoing war in Iraq, he showed tremendous courage in speaking out against the strategies and tactics that were leading us to disaster in the first three years of the war. And I admit that I agree with him that, now engaged, America cannot afford to walk away and leave things worse in Iraq than we found them.

He has also shown courage with his ability to work across party and ideological lines in an effort to solve problems. While some deride him as a RINO for that quality, it is one that is sorely needed to heal the partisan rifts in our country and unite us in solving problems and reaching common goals. I know the ideological purists will insist that he was wrong on immigration, campaign finance reform and other issues where he tried to forge a bipartisan solution, but at least he tried. That is more than I can say for the purists, who are doomed to only worsen the divisiveness and polarization in our politics to the detriment of America.

We're Screwed
Face it, conservatives, we're screwed no matter who is elected president. Unfortunately, Hunter and Tancredo don't have a prayer. The remaining
wee-publicans are just articulate copies of Jorge Bush. Thompson's OK but without his Hollywood make up artist he looks old and .... old.

Obama is a silly, starry-eyed little boy with a fierce nicotine habit. As president, he would quickly founder in his own naiveté. Can you picture Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan and "The Opra" with offices in the White House.

Hillary is a ruthless self-promoter and a thoroughly corrupt and contemptible person. Already her candidacy is infused with illegal campaign contributions. Expect much more when ... YES WHEN! ... she becomes president.

Liberals win this one and get what they've always wanted. Stalin in a pantsuit.


Take another look at McCain, Pt. 2
McCain is also a fiscal conservative, which is very important to me. He was one of the few in the GOP to vote against Bush's tax cuts, not because he's a fan of big government but because they would bust the budget. And he was right.

But the key factor to me is McCain's integrity. I recently read an profile of him in the New York Times where they pointedly asked him about the fallout of his stand on immigration, especially when everyone else on the GOP side was switching positions in order to "out-Tancredo Tancredo." He was very honest about it, saying he saw his poll numbers dropping and could have flip-flopped on the issue the way so many others have. But what won me over was that he said, despite the fallout, he didn't want to be president badly enough to change his stand when he thought he was right.

I cannot think of a single candidate in either party who would be able to make that statement. And there isn’t one I know who has the courage and integrity to take that kind of principled stand. I admire him for it, regardless of whether I agree with him.

There are other reasons I admire McCain: no hint of scandal…personable…not one who needs to wear his religion on his sleeve.

I know this sounds like a McCain commercial, but speaking just as a moderate Democrat who will help decide this next election, I would like the chance to vote for him.

McCain has no integrity
McCain DID flip-flop on immigration. He couldn't change his vote in the Senate since he was one of the main sponsors of the bill, but he is now pretending to be less strongly in favor of amnesty.

What McCain said to the New York Times is a classic McCain lie. He gets in a situation where it would be politically stupid for him to change his mind, then pretends he showed courage by not changing his vote. It is NORMAL for a politician to stick to his position. Why does John McCain always say it is such an act of courage when _HE_ does it?

It's not. It's just that a special double-standard applies to McCain because he was a POW. Any time McCain flip-flops it is ignored, and any time McCain stands his ground it is said to be an act of courage.

McCain is the slimiest politician is Washington DC, and the one who has flip-flopped the most. He is phony from top to bottom, a liar who runs around in a bus called the "Straight Talk Express".

Well Wu Wei
I forgot to mention the most important thing. I think McCain, IMHO, is electable.

Nominate one of the other less-than-stellar GOP candidates and the only way Republicans will see the inside of the White House for the next eight years is to book a tour.

Thompson
Is the best of the top tier, hope he picks Hunter as VP.

Virginia Patriot
More good news......

Fred got the endorsement today from the conservative Methodist Wesleyan Center for Strategic Studies.

They represent over 10 million Methodists in the USA.

They are backing him because they know he's not a RINO like Mitt,Rudy,Huck,etc.

Huckabee & foreign relaitons - imagine
I heard Huckabee stated his running mate. Who was it?

Problem with Huckabee is, he is like Obama. He thinks that if they sit down and talk to Ahmadinejad, the modern day Hitler, that he'll become a nice guy. Chamberlains all over again. What level of naivete is that?
Huckabee said "treat the other guy like you would like to be treated. I can just IMAGINE....
"Oh you wiped out Israel? Oh I am sure it was a mistake. Let me forgive you because that is what a good Christian does. Now promise me you won't got to sleep feeling badly you'all. Spilled milk happens."










This helps....
After reading this article, it onlt reaffirms why I'm supporting Duncan Hunter! Our "top five" guys all have serious flaws that can and will be exposed by the dems if they get the nomination. I'd rather have a solid candidate like Hunter that I don't have to worry about any flip flops on the issues.

By the way, Huckabee not being a free trade uber alles person is a good thing!

Everything You Need to Know
This cycle's roster is pretty grim. I guess I am left with the choice of voting for Ron Paul or my ex-wife (a close call, but I am leaning towards Mary Jo).

Isn't "Honest Politician" an oxymoron?

McCain looks older than Fred
plus he's shell-shocked who even all he went though believes that if we don't use harsh interrogation that our enemy's will not use them against us. Completely misguided as well as stupid. After his immigration plan against the United States I will not vote for him. I like Thompson and Hunter and Tancredo. Why aren't they getting as much press as the top-tier candidates? I think it's the press who makes these candidates the top leaders. Hucklebe might be a good man but his policies are not grabbing me. I like Chuck Norrise but his endorsement must have been made with blinders on. Hucklebe will sell this country out to illegals just as quickly as Bush is doing, besides he reminds me of Jimmy Carter, the worst President in the history of Presidents. I want a president who will tell our enemies to get scr&&&& and to be careful if you step on us. Reagan told this to the Soviet Union and to the evil people in Iran and we got our people back in Reagan's first hours in the White House. Something Carter had been trying to do with all his diplomacy. I heard the most stupid remark made by anyone last night on O'reilly's show. The woman said she wanted to win the war but sometimes she wanted to do it with words instead of guns. This is so stupid and this woman is living in a dream world. A war is won when the other side is beaten down so low they can't do anything but make peace. After the war is won then words can come into the picture, but it takes guns,more fire power then the other side, and determination to win. I don't think Hucklebe has this. A good man he might be but not presidencial material. Let him run for the Senate. If I had my choice of office I would run for the House then become the Speaker.

roselover
I agree with you. I wish Bolton was running. A good Gop candidate would take apart the CIA when he got there and possibly the state department. The CIA has just shafted the president and ruined both the guns approach and the diplomacy approach with Iran. And Bush has done nothing. Condi pulled something on Bush that should have gotten her fired. Not a word is out. The problem with affirmative action hires is that when they mess up you can't fire them. Bush's white house is on the defensive instead of the offensive and you can see how badly that plays. It started with national security leaks and Bush did nothing.
You are right about the press. They have put Tancredo and Keyes and Ron Paul in the extremist category. They have put Giulini in the twice divorced hanky panky corner, Mitt the Mormon, and Huckabee the evangelical. The press is obviously afraid of Thompson and Hunter.
On top of politics the press likes a president that makes their job easy by providing them with stuff with which they can fill up the airwaves and press. That way they can sit on their behinds instead of actually working. Thompson is such a serious guy I doubt they want him. He does have a good sense of humor. Same thing with Hunter.
Interesting thing about Hunter, he said something which to me indicated he knew nothing about Jews and possibly didn't know any. It is hard to imagine a guy in the US getting to his age and not.
I like that Hunter knows China can become a threat. They surface in the middle of our sub exercises. We treat them like friends and they don't us.
We get the leaders we deserve. We should vote in a serious candidate. These are serious times. The dems are in kindergarten.



roselover
McCain should look older than Fred. McCain is about 72 and Thompson is about 62. Thompson had cancer and chemo I believe. It makes him look as if he is old.


oh my
I hear Huckabee has chosen j.C. as his running mate for 08. Jeeeeeeez.

I was wrong
Now it appears that Huckabee did not choose j.C. as a running mate, it was a sarcastic article by a humorist. If I hear more I will correct myself again.
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