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Friday, August 17, 2007
John Hawkins :: Townhall.com Columnist
8 Reasons Why Conservatives Must Defeat Hillary
by John Hawkins
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Now, I will be the first to admit that the GOP was very disappointing in the 2006 election cycle and although the Republicans have improved significantly in a lot of areas, they're still not doing as much as conservatives have asked them to do on spending, corruption, immigration, and foreign policy.

That being said, while conservatives need to continue to hold the feet of the GOP to the fire, as we did in the illegal immigration fight, we should not forget the potential perils of having a Democratic President at this sensitive time in our nation's history.

Today's Democratic Party and its likely nominee, Hillary Clinton, have moved well to the left of where they were in the pre-George W. Bush era. That could have some rather serious consequences if she becomes the next President of the United States.

Consider the following:

Kyoto: Clinton is a supporter of the Kyoto Protocol, which would cause energy prices to soar and would seriously damage the American economy even though most environmentalists will admit that it won't significantly cut the amount of greenhouse gasses being produced by mankind.

Corruption: Her brother was paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to help get pardons from her husband. During Hillary's previous stay in this White House, trips to the Lincoln bedroom were handed out for campaign contributions. She actually drew up legal documents that were used in the Whitewater land scheme and she got away with being bribed through a crooked cattle futures deal. Hillary Clinton would be one of the most corrupt Presidents ever to sit in the White House.

Tax Hikes: Hillary is a diehard socialist and will certainly slow the economy down and take more money out of the American people's pockets with a tax hike. She has even voted against ending the marriage penalty and the child tax credit.

Amnesty and Open Borders: Hillary is a big supporter of comprehensive immigration reform for illegal aliens and with a Democratic Congress to help her, it's entirely possible she'll be able to succeed where George W. Bush failed with amnesty.

Losing Iraq: In 1975, Democrats deliberately delivered South Vietnam into the hands of the Communists by cutting off the aid and air support that we had promised them because the Dems believed it would benefit them politically. The result was a Communist takeover of Vietnam, genocide, an enormous loss of American prestige, and a crisis of confidence in our military that wasn't truly reversed until George Bush won the Gulf War.

If Hillary Clinton becomes President and we are still in Iraq, she will deliberately lose the war early on in her presidency because she will believe that she can blame it on George Bush. That will allow her to avoid taking on a politically unpopular war. The result of her actions would likely be a huge victory for Al-Qaeda, genocide, an enormous loss of American prestige, and a crisis of confidence in our military.

Disaster In The War On Terror: When Bill Clinton was in power, the 2nd Intifada started, Al-Qaeda launched terrorist attacks at America practically with impunity, he turned down an offer of Sudan to hand over Osama Bin Laden, Pakistan and India built nuclear programs right under our noses -- and we believe North Korea built nuclear weapons.

If Hillary were to become President, expect North Korea to become a permanent nuclear power, Iran to start a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, and Al-Qaeda to get a breather to rebuild their forces because Hillary will be more concerned with whether Europe likes us or not than stopping another 9/11.

Additionally, she would certainly curtail the wiretapping of terrorists and would treat them as mere criminals instead of unlawful combatants, which would significantly hurt our intelligence gathering and make another 9/11 much more likely.

Socialized Medicine: If Hillary Clinton gets her way and we have socialized medicine in this country, taxes will soar, the quality of medical care will decrease, and the wait times to get surgeries will grow enormously.

Supreme Court: Currently, the Supreme Court is balanced on a knife's edge. There are 4 originalist judges who believe in sticking to the Constitution, 4 liberal judges who view the Court as nothing more than a Super Legislature than can be used to push a left-wing agenda, and one moderate judge.

That means the Supreme Court nominees of the next President of the United States will likely tip the balance of the court dramatically to the left or right and with Hillary, of course, you can be sure that the judges would be extremely liberal.

We don't know who the Republican nominee will be yet, but whoever he is would have to be an enormous improvement over the massive head-on car crash in an earthquake that a Hillary Clinton presidency would be for America.

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her negatives are waaay too high to win
They are anywhere from 44% to 48% depending on whose poll numbers you believe.Lets take the most numbers for her:(44% negatives)


That means 44 of every 100 likely voters surveyed said there's is NO WAY they will vote for her.

If there are "only" 44% of every 100 who say now say they will vote for her.

That leaves 56% of the nations voters
who simply "MIGHT consider" voting for her.. Do the math:

as (Carl Rove already has)

that means of the 56% who just "May consider" her, she will have to capture 25 of very 28 undecided voterss. that means if only 4 of every 28 undecided voters break for the GOP candidate: she's toast!

There no way she can capture 25/28ths of the undecided voters-thats 89% of the undecideds she must convince on election day.

Its never been done in the history of the republic.

Forget it. end of story.Thats why the dems are so worried.

for people who believe in fairy tales: if she somehow did the impossible and won....she would need a gain of 9 Dem senators to have a filibuster proof majority in the senate in order to pass any legislation or confirm any judges unpalatable to the GOP.

That means she will be "triangulating" and signing GOP sponsored legislation only-and nominating GOP palatable judges only.and making war in the middle east to appease the neocons
in hopes for a 2nd term.

Stop with the handwringing histrionics. none of Mr Hawkins' 8 doomsday scenarios is even plausible-even if she found a way to hack the diebold machines and steal the whitehouse.

Cornpone







Dr K
"Any lib would like to tackle the question and compare the Clinton era to the second Bush era?"


Bigg Dogg did a fantastic job of answering your
question. I would like to add one more thing.
The national debt. We are about as close to being
bankrupt as we can get. The only thing left to
do is the lower the value of the dollar even further.

Any other questions?

hey bman
The reason they can't tell you the speaker of the house is they spend too much time teaching them how to sleep their way to becoming an aspiring actress/actor. This is after they graduate "How to put a condom on a cucumber 101." In Spanish, of course."

You come from the South and are making fun of the
Californians! No one is dumber than a redneck
southerner. You are living proof.

Who Gets the Blame?
photogbill: You pretty much sum up the Hugh Hewett/Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity position. Republicans have had years to come around and support a conservative agenda, but when conservatives balk, why, conservatives are the ones being "stubborn" and "hard-headed".

Nixon famously observed that at the end of the day, conservatives will vote Republican "because we have nowhere else to go." Nixon was wrong. We can, in fact, stay home, crack a beer, and watch the returns come in. That's how GB I lost and Clinton won, if the pollsters are to be believed.

As a result, the Republicans got serious about developing a conservative agenda and, big surprise to all, won Congress. And for a while, at least, conservatives got some legislative payback, including cap gains tax cuts, welfare reform, and a balanced budget.

I don't advocate not voting, and fortunately there are ways to cast a vote in order to make a point. You do whatever your conscience tells you, but allow me to make this modest observation: conservatives have two, and only two, tools for making Republicans come around: withhold money, and withhold votes.

If Republicans do whatever they want, if they continue to give the gold to Ted Kennedy's policy preferences and give the shaft to conservatives, and conservatives continue to vote Republican, please tell me what incentive Republicans will have to reform their incontinent ways?

I say, since Republicans govern as if conservatives don't exist, let's see them win elections as if conservatives don't exist.

spelling correction on last post
'come to your sences' should read 'come to your senses'

Who's ruining...Part 2
A final thought.

I don't like the idea of voting for the lesser of two evils anymore than the rest of you and am hoping that a strong conservative wins the GOP presidential nomination. However, the thought of even 1 year, much more 4 or 8 years, of this country under control of a Hitlery presidency ....sends cold chills up my spine and I hope when the voting begins ... it will yours also and you'll come to your sences for the sake of us all!

Who's ruining the Republican party?
I've heard a lot of moaning and complaining here on TH for the last several months about RINOs and CINOs and how they are ruining the Republican party. I've also heard many , shall I say 'purests' proclaim they will either stay home during election day or they will vote for some fringe candidate ....ie Ron Paul, the Conservative Party (whoever that is), etc.

Although I agree with many of their criticisms of the current crop of RINO/CINO, I don't believe making a 'protest' vote....or non-vote does anything to make the Rep party better either. I don't buy into the notion that 4 or possibly 8 years of a Hillary presidency will cure the patient, so to speak. I don't exactly know what will except maybe the same type of active participation that many Americans took to stop the Scamnesty Bill from passing into law.

And...what if 8 years of a leftist democrat doesn't bring the RINOs to their senses. Are you guys gonna wait another 4years ....8 years ....12 years in your stubborn-headed 'protest'? What guarantees do you have that in 'the end' your desired results will ever take place?

There is one sure guarantee that I can give you. If you persist in your hard-headed approach, we will get a president Hillary and speaker Pelossi, and dingy Harry read to determine all of our futures. A lot of harm can be done to this nation in those intervening years. Are you sure you are willing to live proudly with the knowledge that you were instrumental in helping that outcome take place?

Think about it long and hard and use your heads ...not just your emotions! There is too much at stake ...far more than your lost pride!

Renny - More Scandals
You forgot to mention the sale of high tech. computer components to Red China, by a major Democrat contributor, that helped their missile program jump forward ten years in a short period of time. Later the Clintons 1996 re-election fund received a nice contribution from the Red Chinese military.
The Clintons turned the Lincoln bedroom into a motel 6 for major Democrat contributors. One of their stooges was even caught selling cemetary plots at Arlington.
And finally there was the fire sale of Presidential pardons at the end of Clinton's second term including the nations biggest tax-cheat ever: Marc Rich.
Remember it was Jimmy Carter's Chief of Staff, Hamilton Jordon, who called the Clintons a couple of grifters in the White House.
It will only get worse if the American people are insane enough to send the Clintons back to the White House.

Big Dogg = Big Idiot
I hereby nominate a new TH name be given to Big Dogg. From this point on we should affectionately refer to him/her as Big Idiot!

Can a get an Amen from somebopdy!?.....lol

renny
RE: Scandals post

Great job of recapping just some of the unethical, sleazy and illegal acts of the countries first co-presidents.

My fear is that the public at large is either too stupid or too gullible to recognize these bottom of the barrel sleaze-misters for who they really are. Not to mention her socialist/communistic planned agenda once in office!

The dems main cheering section, AKA the MSM, did a stellar job in promoting the propaganda that it was all about sex!

The Woman With One Eyebrow...
--
...has been "cleared" of culpability in the multidudinous trangressions associated with her relationship with Waco Willie in pretty much the same way that Eva Braun might have been, had she not had the grace to crunch the capsule.

Sadly, there's little hope that Mommie Dearest will ever do the nation the service of emulating the Führer's tootsie.

Well, we can always hope for a Botox overdose....
--

Scandals
The Clintons were not cleared of all their scandals. Dozens of people went to jail for Whitewater, including a sitting gov. of AK and one of the Clinton's "best friends." Bill was de-barred from practicing law for lying under oath (PERJURY)to AK and DC judges. He paid fines in the Paula Jones case, although he never actually face rape charges by Juanita Broadrick. He was IMPEACHED, only the 2nd pres. ever, altho' not convicted. Just as well, Gore would've been pres.

If you want someone as pres. of the US, the most powerful person in the world, carrying the baggage of Whitewater,
Travelgate (fire those people and put ours in place),
cosseting and secreting 1000 IRS reports on Reps. in the White House safe for a year "by mistake,"
"losing" subpoenaed Rose Law Firm records for TWO TEARS,
hiring goons to threaten Bill's "bimbos" by slashing their tires and killing their pets, conducted her "healthcare" program so secretly that Judicial Watch SUCCESSFULLY sued her for its records for illegal disobeying the sunshine laws,
hired a non-security-cleared lowlife (Craig Livingston) to head White House security and then helping him disappear after Vince Foster conveniently killed himself with an antique gun that didn't fire,
and could claim all her problems were due to "right-wing conspiracies,
then when she's in office, you get what you deserve.

Hillary Care

No credibility
The Republican Party has lost all credibility with me for supporting constitutional government and so comparisons with Democrats ring quite hollow. The Republicans seem to take the same expansionist view of the commerce clause and the general welfare statement as meaning the federal government has the authority to do whatever the party in power sees fit. Until the Republican Party realizes that it votes for unconstitutional laws just as much as the Democrats, they will not have any credibility with me. I support Ron Paul because he is the only one worth voting for. Come general election time, I'll write his name in if I have no other constitutionally inclined person to vote for.

Republican Song & Dance
It's starting already. The election is over a year away, and conservatives are being softened up, being exhorted to dumb down their standards to the point where they will accept whomever is nominated by the Republicans. Hold your nose, whatever, but vote Republican because The Democrats Are So Much Worse.

I'm old enough to have witnessed this cycle of events since Nixon, who corralled the conservative vote and then gave us wage and price controls, recognition of Mao's criminal regime, and Watergate. Then there was GB I, the "no new taxes" man. And now its GWB, who can only become agitated when it's against his own base.

I do have fond memories of Reagan, but his name is invoked nowadays by folks unfit to carry his dirty linen.

Mr. Hawkins, with all due respect, it is not time for conservatives to get behind Republicans. It's time for Republicans to get behind conservatives. I will vote Constitutional Party before I vote for someone who supports "the right to choose" killing a child. That means Rudy. I will vote for the CP before I vote for someone who believes in dismantling the First Amendment. That means McCain. Or someone who is a glad-handing Massachusetts slickmeister. Don't exhort me, Mr. Hawkins. Exhort them.

Gabby
I agree completely.

No Ron Paul
He has no endorsements and will get no votes.

Nationally, even Kucinivh would beat Ron Paul.

If the Reps. don't nominate Rudy and maybe Fred as running mate, Hillary/Obama will bankrupt what's left of the ec. and Const.

How old
is the author of this article? 16?

What a crock. The conservative movement has been slapped silly by Bush and his CINO/RINO buddies in Congress. There are NO conservatives running for POTUS, except Ron Paul and Huck.

If we vote in Rudy or Mitt or one of the other global liberals running on the GOP side, we'll ruin the Republican Party for a good long time...probably forever.

If you folks abandon your principles and vote for Rudy or Mitt just because he has an "R" by his name, then shame on you. Leave my party now, and don't come back until you embrace true conservatism.

With 4 or 8 years of Rudy or Mitt or Fred, our party will be a MUCH more liberal party than it now is. Conservatism will never again be able to take hold of the party and the country and steer their course in the right direction.

This might be our best and maybe last chance to put conservatism in charge of American government. Electing one of the currently leading Republicans will be a disaster, a disaster that has no ending. That's why you cannot hold your nose and vote for a liberal for the Republican nominee. It will lead to a horrendous Republican Party, one that is really liberal-lite, and will remain so.

Our once proud Republican Party is doomed if you vote for Rudy or Mitt or Fred just because they claim they're conservatives. Please, use your heads. See the future if you do so. It isn't pretty, and we won't ever again have a chance, due to demographics, to have conservatives put their drastically needed stamp on America.

Again, if you are going to vote for Rudy or Mitt or Fred and say to hell with your principles and morals, we don't want you any longer in the Republican Party. This goes for the author of this article, too. He's nothing but a whining little pup of a neocon globalist.


shells
what is the oxygen channel? most of the time i am watching the fair and balanced channel, which has my hero sh, jg, bo', ts, gr, the beltway boys,etc. i don't feel tho that hillary's private parts should even be a part of the puzzle 'anyhoo". it did not matter with lady thatcher, indira ghandi, golda mier, joan of arc, elizabeth dole, or kay bailey hutchinsin? leaders do not belong to one gender. what is wrong with mixing up the pot? again my opinion, you have yours. adios amiga!!!!!!!!

To GPC007
Congratulations on your descriptions of a national nightmare that Hillary would be. I could not said it better. Those are my thoughts exactly.

If she were to become President, one term would do it and she would be tossed out for imcompetence or corruption.

Liberty is worried
Liberty I have a lot of faith in this country's ability to continue on upward economically has it has since the cold war ended. The only monkey wrench is a terrorist attack on American soil, something like 9/11.

Which party do you think will defend this country better, one lead by Hillary or one led by Mitt? That answer is easy for me.

You mention that other nations stockpile Dollars? Why do you think they do? It's because the Dollar is probably the most trusted currency in the World. We're the ones you produce this currency (except North Korea's fakes, ha ha).

Here is our predicament: We have very high employemnt in this country. High employment means a good economy, higher buying power by the masses. That translates into higher GDP and higher imports and exports. We also have the annoyance of low income taxes. That translates into higher buying power. Third, we also have very low mortgage rates. You don't long for the days of 12 percent as in the Carter years, do you?

All this is not smoke and mirrors. We are the powerhouse, the engine, of the global ecenomy.

People in Europe would give up their first-born for this kind of economy. Liberty, I suggest you stop worrying, but vote the right way in 2008.

Cheers.

Ron Paul is only candidate - issues
Ron Paul is the only candidate who has solutions to our entitlement burden, illegal immigration, and the constituision. Ron Paul is the complete package when it comes to substance. The other candidates are going to "rape" you financially, culturally, and constitutionally.

Breakdown of other candidates (MSM)
Guiliani - More spending
Romney - More of the same
Hillary - More of the same
Edwards - More spending
Thompson - More of the same

Thses phonies and any of theses candidates are going to put you in the poor house. The country will drastically change in 2008. It will change in the next 3 to 5 months. The stock market will tank in real terms but maybe not nominally. Your US Pensions and 401k's will not buy you bread in 3 years. The US investor is going to see their finances collapse from the days of Bill Clinton, the rule of the Republicans, and the final nail on the coffin may come from Hillary when this is all said and done. Your US Dollars will be recycled into the "Amero" because the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.

Lolo
"Why don't you just go and proposition RP and get it over with? [blather snipped] Just do it and be done with it, irregardless quit posting your goofy links to him. He has a snowball's chance in heck of getting the nomination."

I already have. It appears your eyes are closed to more than just reality. Goofy links? You mean quotes by people like Judge Andrew Napolitano who referred to Congressman Paul as the "Thomas Jefferson of our Day"? Like that? Or, is it the fact that Barry Goldwater, Jr. has worked for him and speaks quite highly of him and that even much of the Goldwater family is actively supporting Dr. Paul? Or, is it the fact that Robert Novak recently came out in support of Congressman Paul? Oh, I know, it must be because Dr. Paul received more donations from our military than any other candidate?

Ron Paul stands for everything for which traditional conservatism has ever stood.

- limited constitutional government
- personal privacy
- personal responsibility
- strong national defense
- fiscally responsible government
- individual liberty

And he is standing right in front of us. Right here; right now. Do you want our borders secured? Do you want soundness returned to our dollar? Do you want government spending controlled? Do you want us out of the United Nations? Do you want a President who has a perfect rating from Gun Owners' of America? Do you want a President who is a strict constructionist and believes in the Constitution's definition of the role of the federal government and who will return the power where it belongs... the states and the people. Do you want to reinstate the Constitution and return America to greatness?

Now is the time. We will never have a chance like this again. BTW Lolo, you'd better hope he gets the nomination, because he is the ONLY Republican who can beat Hillary-Obama. If we do not nominate Congressman Paul, we will surely lose.

A National Nightmare
It will be a national nightmare if the Clintons are put back into office.
People seem to have forgotten easily the most corrupt administration of my lifetime (and probably ever.) And Hillary was right in the middle of almost all of the Clinton's blatant scandals: Whitewater, Travelgate (really her baby rather than Bill's) and the missing 900 FBI files with her fingerprints all over them.
Hillary loves the military now but you can read many books detailing the utter contempt with which she treated the military members detailed to the White House during the Clinton's unfortunate 8 years in office.
I could go on and on but we all know about her many other scandals.
It will be a perfect indication of just how low the American people have sunk should we put the Clintons back in the White House.
Of course, we may not have any choice. That is why Hillary and her ilk are always pushing for giving convicted felons the right to vote and amnesty for the illegal aliens invading our country. She knows she will get their votes.
And don't expect any tough questions from the liberal media for Hillary. They will be just another propaganda arm for her campaign. It is a guarantee that they will ask very tough questions about the marriages of Giuliani or Fred Thompson (should either get the GOP nomination) and leave the wonderful marriage of Bill and Hillary Clinton alone.
The American people are reeling now from the continued threat of terrorism, the support shown for these animals by our courts and the liberal media and the non-stop invasion from criminal illegal aliens, also with the support of our media and many of our politicians.
The possible election of a Hillary Clinton might just be the knockout punch.

70 trillion in unfunded liabilities
Who is going to pay for it. A 100% tax increase cannot pay the interest on the national debt. The debt has to be monitized by the federal reserve. The federal reserve will monitize the debt in 2008. Then all the bases and wars will come to a complete end.

By the way China controls the policy of the United States interest rates. It is not the 12 member board theat dtermines the interest rate setting. China calls the shots. This year marks the 1st year that the United States is no longer the preeminent superpower of the world. Unfortunately we are going to be dictated by 3rd world oil producers because in the time of the Republcian rule we were supposed to cut spending, government, reduce taxes. None of that happened. Now we will pay the biggest price. That price is "hyperinflation on consumer goods" to cover the cost of the IRAQ war, illegal immigrants, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

Who should we thank, "The ignorant US voter" who only cares about government subsidies, their worthless 401k's in dollar terms, and their "phony war on terror".

In 2008 "your terror will be received" when you find out that Milk will cost $6.00-7.00 a gallon and eggs will cost you $4.00 a gallon. All for an administration who "created a cave man boogie man" because he refused to seal the borders. This administration is guily of spreading "financial terror" to every one of us.

If Hillary is elected in office we will have a full scale revolution either non violent or "god forbid" violent. It is coming and their is nothing that is going to stop this.

Robert
The economy will be in serious trouble thanks to the Dems tax increases. HC gets elected there will be more.

Liberty
Why don't you just go and proposition RP and get it over with? Since you are so obviously in love witht that nit-wit. Just do it and be done with it, irregardless quit posting your goofy links to him. He has a snowball's chance in heck of getting the nomination.

Corruption
That short paragraph on corruption failed to mention one of the most egregious examples of the Clint's corruption in office-- their relationship with the Chicoms.The Clints took millions from the Chicoms and millions from the Loral corporation. Shortly after this occurred embargoed missile-aiming technology was transferred to the Chinese. Read 'Year Of The Rat'.
Now Her Royal Thighness is flying around the country in a jet owned by Vin Gupta, a piece of human refuse who's business includes selling phone lists of 'vulnerable' senior citizens to telephone rip-off artists. The lovely and delightful Bill Jefferson (BJ) sits on the board of this company and has collected millions for his work.
The paragraph also didnt mention the Clinton Double-Wide Lie-Berry and Massage Parlor in Little Rock, a conduit for unreported 'donations' from criminals and foriegn governments.
In a paragraph that apparently slipped John Hawkins mind (the ninth reason) is BJ's career birddoggin babes and bangin beaver. Belinda Stronach and the divorcee down the street at Chappaqua are just a couple that have made it into the press recently. Havent we subjected ourselves to this national disgrace enough already? Doesnt Hilly's supervision of the 'Bimbo Eruptions' intimidation team disqualify her for any public office?
How about her 250+ 'I Dont Remember's when she testified in front of the Grand Jury in Castel Grande (subpoenaed billing records found in her office after the statute of limitations had passed).
I could go on. There are a thousand reasons not to put these two creeps back in office. Lets hope the Oprah watchers and other mental defectives dont overwhelm us (with a few hundred thousand phony ballots added in in key districts) and hand power back to these two nefarious incompetants.

Economy is inflation driven
Its driven by Ben Bernanke and the Federal Reserve priting presses handing over money for Goldman Sachs and other big inflation bank institutions to cover the a*sses from the mortgage meltdown.

Invest out of the US in foregin stocks that yield 6-12% in foregin currency dividends. Protect yourself from the inflation (money supply will increase to 18-20%) by 2008. That is twice that of Jimmy Carter. Embrace youself from the economic wrecking crew by Bush, Bernanke, and Company.

The Ec. IS fine
but it is probably getting ready for an end-of-the decade slump which has been the pattern since the late '40s.

Taxing energy and spending a few extra trillions)the Dem. Cong. has proposed 1/2 trillion in new spending and they aren't done yet), attacking the oil co.'s (and auto co.'s already in trouble) prob. is not the best way to keep the ec. going.

The stock market is at 14,000--remember under Carter when the elites wondered if it could ever hit 1000?

Unemployment is still below 5 percent, lower than it's been since the '50s. Remember Carter 7-10 percent unemployement?

Interest rates are still relatively low. You can get 6 and 7 percent rates. Remember the Carter late '70s and the development of the double digit mortgage rate?

Inflation is still virtually nonexistent, for a growing economy. Carter also gave us double-digit inflation. Inflation kills savings and really ruins a middle class: Wiemar Germany, 1920s.

Tax revenues set new records daily, and the deficit in under 2 percent of the GNP, will be even in 2010--if the same tax policies prevail.

The middle class is BETTER off than it was a generation ago. Most items have inflated 10-25 percent, but TAXES have inflated 200-240 percent (WSJ)--the more you earn, the MORE you are behind due to taxes. The two-income family is a direct development of over-taxation. The two-employed family gives rise to unsupervised young people, precocious illegal drug use, early sexual experimentation, poor school performance, and immature, alienated children.

The left's answer to any ec. is to tax it, over-regulate it, interfere pol., and produce such ec. wonders as the former USSR, the Eastern Eur. bloc, today's much of Africa, and Cuba. Get ready for the left takeover of healthcare and get cozier with your relatives. In Cuba, health care is free, but food and drink in hosp.'s aren't. If your cousins don't feed you, you get the idea.


Economy, the greastest ever
Our economy is the best ever!!!
Why do the Godless Liberal Lefist continue to harp and carp on the National Debt. The National debt is essential to the well being of this country. It grows every year and has since Roosevelt starting shacking up with his Mistress in the thirtys. If it ever stops growing then the end of the the greatest Country and its greatest economy ever will be at hand!

Economy, the greastest ever
Our economy is the best ever!!!
Why do the Godless Liberal Lefist continue to harp and carp on the National Debt. The National debt is essential to the well being of this country. It grows every year and has since Roosevelt starting shacking up with his Mistress in the thirtys. If it ever stops growing then the end of the the greatest Country and its greatest economy ever will be at hand!

Doctor K
Even many of yours' CFR hero, Fred Thompson, admits our economy is in big trouble.

"The man who spent some 20 years as a Washington lobbyist also proclaimed himself the only candidate willing to deal with what he sees as a looming fiscal crisis for the nation.

"The beginning of the discussion is to get everybody to acknowledge we've got a very, very serious problem,' said Thompson. "We haven't gotten to that stage yet.'
He said Republican candidates are largely ignoring the issue.
"Other than giving lip service to it ... I don't know that anybody is on the campaign trail," said Thompson. He ducked, however, when pressed on specifics."
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070817/D8R2VUGG0.html

Of course, this has been something that Congressman Ron Paul, ranking member of the House Banking Cmte and Austrian economist, has been warning of for years. But, I guess Fred believes that his experience being a frickin' LOBBYIST, gives him special insight into being an economist. LOL!

Doctor K
You seem to think our economy is just fine. It's all smoke and mirrors and it's getting ready to come crashing down around our ears. How could you realistically believe otherwise? We are 9 trillion dollars in debt and are borrowing over 2 billion dollars a day, a great deal of which is from Red China. Big government managed trade agreements (not free trade at all) have resulted in shipping much of our industry and good jobs overseas, again largely to RED China, but India too. Tell me, how is it that you believe we are going to be able to keep going like this very much longer? Seriously.

Our dollar is not backed by anything of value. Only our belief and others "belief" around the world, but that is starting to change. Not to mention the fact that the U.S. dollar has historically been used as the medium of exchange for oil, so many nations have maintained a large stockpile of dollars. This is also changing. Saddam threatened to start accepting Euros. That has been stopped, but Iran has its oil bourse.

We are printing money out of thin air, Doc. Why is it that you think the FED stopping showing M3? They didn't want us to be able to see how Helicopter Ben was inflating our currency. That's why. Our dollar is no longer backed by gold or silver. It's just monopoly money, really. And the game is almost over.

I am a conservative Republican. Always have been. But, we simply must face that we have allowed ourselves to be deceived. The Republican Party is full of the same BIG government socialists we've always railed against in the Democratic Party. If we do not face up to this, how can we fix it?



Eat lead paint-CNBC finance Erin Burnett
Eat lead paint its good according to Erin Burnett who is a CNBC Financial correspondent. Its good to die and croak. Maybe she can run Hillary's campaign.

US Falling like Rome.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Download/20270/1/Hardball-Burnett-China.wmv

CNBC Finance-ingest lead from China food
US is falling like Rome and falling fast.

CNBC Financial Correspondent (Erin Burnett) said that it was necessary for China to export products that contain lead paint and other chemicals into the US or the United States economy would collapse on the Chris Matthews Show. The correspondent said if we dictated terms with China they would revalue their currency and the products would be more expensive. Unbelievable words, and the correspondent said China was our greatest friend.

We are conditioned to believe this propaganda. Video of Erin Burnett-eat lead paint and croak:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Download/20270/1/Hardball-Burnett-China.wmv

Hillary will one up Guiliani->statements
I can't wait for what Hillary has to say when she is president. It will be insane.

Arkansas RNC Chair wishes for US Deaths
New Gingrich, Tom Delay, and the Republican establishment are desperate. Tom Delay writes delusional articles about the Dennis Hasstert (an incompetent confused speaker of the house).

Rudy Guiliani is out saying if you don't vote for him Americans will die (Guiliani had a smile on his face when he said that). Rick Santorum was on the Hugh Hewitt show laughing about how a terrorist attack is going to happen and the Amiericans will be forced to embrace their values. What values are Santorum's?

The Republican Party Arkansas Chairman wishes for deaths of US Citizens and more terrorist attacks on US Soil. Quote:
"At the end of the day, I believe fully the president is doing the right thing, and I think all we need is some attacks on American soil like we had on [Sept. 11, 2001], and the naysayers will come around very quickly to appreciate not only the commitment for President Bush, but the sacrifice that has been made by men and women to protect this country," Milligan said."

Is this the Republican Party of Ronald Reagan or a party that is collapsing while Ron Paul is rising?

RNC Chairman wishing for terrorist attacks in US:
http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2007/06/07/News/342341.html

Vote for Rudy Guiliani or die
http://www.lewrockwell.com/barnwell/barnwell76.html

It's amazing
when a conservative brings up facts and libs refute almost immediatley dismiss without any facts.
It's hard to soar with eagles when your debating with turkeys.

Libs
are all about gloom and doom. There only happy when they have everyone's guns and are in control of everybodys life. That's there idea of a utopia.



Only One Reason Needed
When talking about Hillary and most Democrats quit calling them Socialist. Hillary is a Communist and anyone who refers to her as anything else is either a liar or a fool. I have been in the business of stopping the Communist for 50 years--we must stop them within our own borders now. Hillary is a Communist.

Top Gun
Yes, I have noticed that too. So many sentences start with "You know". I think it's a stalling tactic as well as a subtle way of saying "As you and I both know..."

That said, Mrs. Clinton is very intelligent and someone to who seems to have an upper hand in the election so far.

If you've noticed Fred Thompson says "uh" many times on average in a sentence.

I've had a bit to say about Mrs. Clinton on my new blog "politicaltalk.townhall.com" if you'd care to look at it.

Reason #9
not to vote for Hillary. 4 years of cleavage shots to prove to us she's still female!

Case against NATIONAL ID
Why should we have more government involved in our lives? We get it from student loans (Sallie Mae), our federal taxes, and now our government wants a National ID Card. My question is if the government will not send illegals out of our country, we shouldn't accept a national id card from the government. In the 1980's when Ronald Reagan was president we did not have a national id card. We had the borders secured.

Here is the deal with President Bush and Clinton. They create problems in the country intentionally to harm Americans and they let the next person become the savior. I don't trust the government to do anything right and I mean anything. Government never works and never will.

lolo
to used a very old joke. How can you tell the missus clinton is lying. Her lips move. and you what i'm talkin about

On Robert's View
You said that Bubba gave us balanced budgets, paying down the debt, and steady growth.

You can refresh my memory, Bobby, but who was in charge of Congress in Bubba's last six years?

All the good things that were done were under R control. The D's screamed about all of it. Remember the Contract for America? It was good for America, wasn't it? If your boy had a Democrat Congress, none of that would have happened. Thank God for Newt!

If Hillary is to be President with a Democrat Congress kiss your paycheck goodbye. It will go to illegal aliens as Social Security, just like the D's want.

The "clowns" right now gave you historically low unemployment, the highest stock market ever (even with this correction), low mortgage interest rates that have not been seen since the 1960's, lower federal taxes, and higher amounts of tax deposits from tax payers.

If this is a "collapse" give me more. You will see a real collapse under Hillary, if that comes to pass.

wildwest
Shreiking! for me something about the sound of her voice is like nails on a chalkboard. When that new ad of hers comes on I have to hit the mute button! The 'you know' thing tells me she is nervous of her positions and lacks intellect. She, herself, knows everything out of her mouth is a lie!

lolo
which is worst the two levels of shreiking or the use of "you know" about every te or so words

I could give
you hundred reason's not to vote for HC. Let's start with the sound of her voice....

sam
make your case. Raving and yelling stupidity don't make an argument. Back up your case with facts or some form of logic

National ID Card is a disgrace
-Just like President Bush
-Just like Hillary Clinton
-Just like our US "dollar"
-Just like our federal tax rate
-Just like illegal aliens

Only cowards and sheep would accept a national id card, just like they accept paying over 50% in taxes to the government. A national ID Card is a disgrace like accepting rampant inflation at the grocery store. A national ID card is a disgrace by letting illegals in.

A national ID card resembles the incompetence and pathetic US government that are made up of chicken crap people who have others serve their wars while none of them have served.

To h*ll with a national ID card, and to h*ll with the space alien "Michael Chertoff".

sheepdog
it's amazing. Libs hate people making money. To own your own wealth that you earned is somehow unfair to those too stupid or too lazy to prepare for their own future. Thus the libs and their enablers in congress continually call for redistribution of wealth. Now they are moaning about supposed id's. We pay taxes, have drivers licenses, and passports are now required for travel outside the US. These libs can't get it through their heads that the only concern the govt has for most of us is that we pay our taxes. Since 99% of us follow the law what do we need to fear from our own govt. A national ID in my humble opinion is no more intrusive than any other current govt requirement such as your license or a social security number. But if it is an effective tool for discovering who is here illegally and can be used to help control who is in this country I don't understand the problem. Only the libs and their aclu allies oppose it as they welcome the illegal invasion and don't want anything to stop the illegal invasion. But the libs are still crying about the govt looking at your library card. Their problem is that it hasn't been done but these libs continue to look for booger men that come from the right. Their real problem, there is no right wing booger man taking away anyone's rights of constitutional protections

Geez
You libs are all full of doom and gloom...The stock market takes a dive and the whole damn economy is sinking into depression. Everyone beware the soup line kitchens will be open in morning...

Need US passports - picnic at US parks
The government will scare you with "terrorism" while letting illegal immigrants in the US. It does not make a difference if its Hillary, Rudy Guiliani, Mitt Romney, or John Edwards is president. You as an American need a United States Passport to go have a picnic at a park in 2008. "You are not considered to be a terrorist" by our criminal government. Our criminal government is not legit. Don't defy the "REAL ID ACT". Everybody in the "US" will be considered as a "terrorist" by President Bush or Hillary Clinton with the exception of "illegal aliens".

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/16/real.id/

This election is by design
Hillary is supposed to win this election. She will carry the "terrorist" mantra. She will promote Bush's Domestic passports in US. You will need a passport to go to any National Park in 2008. Americans will be forced to embrace the "Amero" after all there stocks are worthless compared to the value of their "dollar". The fix is in. You will submit "to Hillary Clinton, Rudy Guiliani, Thompson, or Romney". You will submit to their hatred of America.

Hillary will embrace "the neo-cons". Roger Ailes (Rush Limbaugh) and Rupert Murdoch are financially supporting her campaign. Then again Rush Limbaugh said there was no such thing as the Council of Foreign Relations.

Hallmarks of this administration
1) I'm scratching my head over your argument, Robert. My point was that Hillary should be in prison because she committed fraud. How does the behavior of any other human being on the planet change this fact?

2) The common characteristic of every, single "scandal" of the Bush administration is that the offense is imaginary. That's right, IMAGINARY. There hasn't been a single charge against the Bush administration that stands up to scrutiny. It's all in your heads.

So, no, Robert, I'm not going to be embarrassed because you guys have been screeching delusional character assassination for the last 7 years. I have my arguments with the Bush administration, but GWB has produced a MODEL of honest governance, with practically no serious corruption of any kind that can be attributed to his administration.

Bigg Dogg's Answer
I asked about the economy (see my post Doctor K) and Dogg answers with 3000 dead. In the last six years, since the down-turn of '01, the economy has been fantastic but you do not concede that.

Here are more of your answers on the economy:

Bin Laden runs free. How is that related to our economy?

America's prestige around the world. Actually this is not a problem, and it can't be because we import and export more than ever. They hate and they buy from us. Right?

The nasty divide among us. If that made the economy go full steam, I'm for it!

The fear mongering from R's. Dogg you've got to be kidding or living in Mongolia. The Right is positive about things, about our country, about our future. The Left is fearful about everything.
This point of yours is insane.

The rest of your points are mostly about social issues, the usual liberal claptrap.

Even though the economy is strong the housing industry and lending industries have problems.
The price of gas is the fault of liberal laws about new oil exploration and refineries. We haven't added any refineries in years due to liberal tactics.

Dogg since you don't admit that the economy is good under this president, you probably raved about the Clinton era. It was good wasn't it?
Well, Dogg, it's even better now. Enjoy.

lilly, what's your point?
I'm trying to figure out what point is being made by lilly's little rant. Are you saying it's somehow wrong to point out how vicious and destructive this woman is, because the current resident of the White House has an "R" next to his name? Are you suggesting that we're obligated to just lay down and let the Democrats win, because we won the last time?

Or, are you just repeating that incredible, liberal nonsense about "you have an argument, and we have an argument, so no position is better than any other?" I never did figure that one out; the entire exercise of systematic logic is intended to make a science of assessing sound arguments from unsound ones, and Liberals keep crowing and preening about how much more logical they are than Conservatives, so Liberals HAVE TO acknowledge that it's possible to distinguish between good arguments and bad ones, right?

How about this, lilly: you keep advocating the candidate YOU want, and we'll keep advocating the candidates WE want. And then we'll hold an election, and whoever gets the most votes will win.

And if Hillary wins, we'll have the equivalent of a Stalinist government within 8 years, our economy will collapse, and we'll turn into a 3rd world narco-dictatorship, just like Hill's Hubby tried to create. But, OOOPS, I can't say that, 'cause lilly says it's no fair and I'm not playing nice.

Hillary Watch
I recall a conversation with an old, family friend who happens to be Progressive, back when Billy Bob was President. We were discussing Whitewater and Castle Grande, and he was defending the President as ignorant of the criminal nature of the enterprise. His notion was that the Arkansas politicians, and Hillary, wanted to keep him out of the know in order to maintain plausible deniability.

Then he continued: "Hillary, on the other hand, is in this up to her eyeballs, and knew EVERYTHING."

I sure hope he remembers this. And I hope a lot of Progressives get the picture.

Ms. Clinton is arguably the most corrupt politician of the last 100 years; I think perhaps only Lyndon Johnson can rival her. She should not be running for President; she should be in jail.

Two-Party Nation
If Clinton is elected President, it will be because a majority of Americans voted for her. That would mean that those opposing her are in the minority and might just have to bite the bullet for a while, as Democrats have been doing since 2000. Is there something about "two-party system" that you people don't understand? Democrats have had seven years now of enduring an extremist right-wing government. Turn about is fair play.

You-all are frightened by government health care. We are disgusted by government-funded Faith-Based Initiatives. You-all want to be at war. We don't. You-all don't want any government regulation of industry. We would prefer that our cats and children not be poisoned so somebody can make a quick profit. You-all want even more conservatives on the Supreme Court so you can overturn Roe. We don't.

We live here too. This is our country too. If we are successful in electing a President, then it will be our turn to set the rules. Didn't you folks learn on the playground to take turns?

Please don't tell me
That the last post I read this weekend is one Lilly wrote?

Lilly, you are truly a miserable and misguided person. How about renting Shrek 1 & 2 this weekend and attempt a smile for a change.

Just so you know how it looks, fellas,
I just browsed the exchange between TopGun and TurnLeft.

Here's how it looks to me:

TopGun: extensive research on the history of partisan politics and race.

TurnLeft: "NO! It ISN'T SO! EVERYBODY KNOWS that Republicans have always been racists! LAAAAA LAAAAAAAAAAAAA (fingers in ears) Nobody's LIIIIIIIISTENNIIIIIIIING..."

Sure is fascinating to watch tolerant, intellectually superior leftists in action...

Re Lincoln Bedroom Comments
"Trips to the Lincoln Bedroom were handed out in exchange for campaign contributions" under Clinton. Under Bush, campaign contributors got to write our laws. while Congress was kept in the dark. Examples: Big Pharma, energy. Which is more corrupt? And how convenient that Republicans never mention the latter.

Left Angle
"Liberals and progressives are NOT the ones who have a long-standing history supporting Jim Crow and segregation"

Liberals and progressives are the ones who villify minorites for actually wanting to achieve something. Why is it black conservatives such as Dr. Walter Williams and Dr. Thomas Sowell two of the best known black educators are villified by the liberal media and the NAACP? Becuase they had the nerve to speak out that affirmative action (even though they probably achieved their sucess through it) was morally wrong. So tell me something... Why would FDR a known liberal/Progressive, appoint Hugo Black a member of the KKK to the Supreme Court?

What?
Only eight reasons?

Dems. of South fought
civil rights legislation in the '60s, not Republicans. They were then called Dixiecrats. They used the filibuster to attack equal rights legislation. They were the backbone of the KKK. They were the majority Southern party during the slavery debates in the early 1800s and the primary Southern party bringing about the Confederate secession. In the 1900s, their pres.'s entered the US into all the major wars: Wilson, WW I; FDR, WWE II; Truman, Korea; Kennedy and Johnson, Vietnam (which is misidentified by the MSM as "Nixon's War").

That the media and educational system has been able to spend decades labeling Republicans as bigots and racists and sexists because Reps. support tradition and custom over radicalization and destruction of social order is a triumph cons. should fight at evfery opportunity.

Wiretapping
Someone needs to call the FBI and urge them to lock up their files. There is going to be alot of wiretapping going on, just not directed at the terrorists. The MSM never cared that Clinton was doing domestic spying on a much larger scale with the ECHELON program.

sheepdog
"At least the conservatives are trying to move foward what's the liberals excuse?"

You're kidding, right? "Moving forward" is what you're interested in, and yet you would rather be CONSERV-ative than PROGRESS-ive.

Me no understand.

TopGun
"Republicans have always been more conservative than the democrat platform and if you could comprehend the print, you would see the consistency in the racism all the way into the late 20th century."

Wrong. Abraham Lincoln signing the Emancipation Proclamation was the ultimate progressive act.

Further, your statistics on the Civil Rights Act of 1964 are a little misleading. Southern Democrats (re: conservatives) voted against it at 95%. (The lone Southern Repub also did).

Northern Democrats, however, supported it at 98%. Northern Repubs, at 84%.

Liberals and progressives are NOT the ones who have a long-standing history supporting Jim Crow and segregation. Conservatives are. That is indisputable.

I like that:
"the massive head-on car crash in an earthquake ... a Hillary Clinton presidency"

sheepdog
how dare you bring up those three. Julian Bond and the rest of his ilk at the ncaap continually refer to such eminent men as nothing more than house n*ggers for straying off the dims reservation. Those of us on the right have no trouble recognizing intelligence and achievement wherever and whomever accomplishes it. Drs williams and Sowell and justice thomas are a credit to america. We see them as great men. The dims only see accomplishment based on color first. The dims think that blacks can only accomplish with their assistance. We believe all men can accomplish great things

Left Angle
I'll bet you never read any of Top Guns lines..In fact you never even rebutted any of the points he made. You even called him an idiot. Why? becuase in fact it's all true and to you the truth hurts. If i'm going to make any rebuttals at least i'd do some research to back up my points. I'd don't see one there. At Least Top Gun did some great research to answer your question. At least the conservatives are trying to move foward what's the liberals excuse? I know going backwards to an economic system that doesn't work and only hurts poor people more including blacks.

Bonnie....Bonnie.....
the country needs a woman running it. we lag behind our allies and even our enemies when it comes to female leadership.
_____________________________________________

I am female, and please tell me, how does having a v*gina make for better leadership? Your thought processes actually embarrass me.

Again, what it always comes down to liberals is the labels you constantly stick on people. It's always about gender, sexual preference, race, religion, color, and on and on and on.

It's never about the content of a person's character, history and motivation.

Hooray! Hillary had a v*gina! We're saved!

Please stop watching the Oxygen channel and start getting real.

TopGun
You're not going to convince me that modern progressive politics are inherently racist. I realize we're simply not going to agree on this, but I do not find affirmative action, reproductive freedom, or minimum wage increases racist in the slightest.

Top Gun
Great Post..I've often wondered why such gifted black educators such as Dr. Walter Williams, and Dr. Thomas Sowell along with SCJ Clarence Thomas are often villified by the liberal left. But I think some liberal will come up with something stupid to counter your point.

TopGun
You're an idiot. You have completely strengthened the point I was making, while submitting zero new information.

LOUD AND CLEAR:

Before 1912, Democrats were the conservative party. Should I repeat that, or you got it this time?

So, everything you posted about racist Democrats in the 19th century goes right along with what I was saying.

Further, T.R. was running against Wilson in 1912, along with Taft, T.R. being the only progressive one running.

Wilson was the last of the conservative Democrats.

Lastly, if you're accusing FDR of being complicit with the KKK, you're completely out of your mind. How about the KKK of the 20th century, kept alive by decade after decade of conservative GOP leadership?

My original point was that conservatives (NOT specifically Democrats or Republicans, but both throughout US history) have historically been the racist, backwards, hate-mongering party in this country. And obviously, they continue to be.

Wildwest
I think the post I wrote above explains about the way I feel right now. There are so many uniformed people out there who don't really care about what's actually happening in this world. I'm not the smartest guy in the world I admit but at least I have the brains to figure what's going on in the world and in our country to understand what consequence can happen if a certain person is elected president.

bonnie
when missus clinton stands in front of the public and tells them that the state is more important the the individual she is speaking the gospel according to lenin. When she says she would comfiscate the profits of a corporation that is owned by the public to fund her programs that comes straight from moscow. I guess those comments and others have both escaped your attention and understanding. Explain the mentoring she recieved from saul alinsky which also tramps on civil laws. But again I guess that escaped your attention

opinions
do we have proof that hillary is a communist? that's just an opinion. again her being a woman has nothing to do with executing the office of the presidency. if it was ok for margaret thatcher, it should be ok for hillary.that's my point. skip the name calling, it is not good and necesscary. that is why with all of the in-fighting here. we are earning the disrespect of our allies and of the world. on another note, i see our pres is smoozing up the french pres. my how times have changed. all i am say is give someone else a chance other that it be taken for granted, that men are better leaders.

sheepdog
oblahma don't need credentials. He is articulate, has a deep sonorous voice and is very clean. Plus he has an empty head. Thus there is no place for ideas to hide. Unfortunately like a played out field there is no fertile ground in which actual ideas can find root. This breath of fresh air is nothing more than a tired old socialist demanding more tax dollars be put into failed govt programs. The dims sure know how to find them. But for all his supposed brilliance he can't overcome or make any traction against the missus clinton.

Ransom
Liberty:
"What part of the Constitution do you think it is alright to overthrow?"

Ransom:
None of it. Can you show me that we're overthrowing the Constitution? If you can give firm evidence, then I'll certainly believe you.

Liberty:
Glad to hear it. Then, please explain to me why you support these EOs. Let's look at one....

I find the EOs to be extremely open-ended and more than unconstitutional. Let's look at this one to start. "Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq". I mean, here we have a President who is saying that "the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense", will determine whether an AMERICAN's property will be seized. What happened to due process, trial by your peers, ...? Have you really looked at the reasons they have specified there?

"to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:"

So, let me get this straight. The Secretary of State and the Secy of Defense are above the Constitution and can judge whether someone is "a significant risk". And if they think they are, your property is confiscated? I'm not seeing that anywhere in my copy of the Constitution. Please point out to me where it is in yours.

turn left
but when challenged you never explained why we should allow these illegals to break our laws. Defending those who have total disregard for are laws as thought they have somehow earned the right to reside in this country shows that you like many on the left have no regards for what this country stands for. You obviously have no understanding of the economic costs that providing services for these illegals. But obviously those of you on the left seem to think we have a never ending treasury which can absorb the billions these illegals will cost taxpayers

bonnie
I could care less if the President was a hermaphrodit. But to want someone for President, simply because she is a woman, not only is stupid, it is a slap in the face to all the patriotic women out there. Hillary Clinton is the same communist that her husband is. She, along with assorted traitors on the right, have no business in our government, they deserve to be in prison and quite possibly up for trial for treason.

Icedog
We have socialism RIGHT NOW. Have you taken a look at the Communist Manifesto lately and notice how we've just about gotten in place every single plank?!

I cannot believe we are allowing this to happen. Why can't you all see that this is not just coming from the Democratic party. It's rampant in the Republican Party too. Our country is in SO much trouble right now. I wish we could focus on what is going on, rather than letting ourselves be divided. Our country is being run over a cliff, right now. Yes, it's been going on for a long, long time, through many administrations, but the game is almost up. Can't you folks, see that??? We have allowed ourselves to be manipulated almost senseless. Our Constitution is in tatters, our form of government, a Republic, is nothing but an almost meaningless shell, our dollar just needs one final push and it will crash, our President is in the final stages of completing the merger of our country with Canada and Mexico. Our Republic is almost gone and we are just walking around acting like everything is alright. I just don't understand.

bman
LOL man why didn't I think of that...Good Post

how do you know for sure
did not your vice-president say in 1994 as secretary of defense that it would be a mistake to go into iraq? please state all of the facts and not just cherry pick stuff. how old are you 18-19, no older than 25 i would speculate. i think you are just spouting points you have heard from the old folks. anybody would be an improvement over the last 6+ years. so grow up, kid. see how easily children can be imfluence. when you go out on your own, i'm sure you will see things differently. the country needs a woman running it. we lag behind our allies and even our enemies when it comes to female leadership.

TurnLeft
Just curious but since your an Obama guy now what has he done in 3 years as a senator to justify becoming president of the United States?

even Rudy is better than Hillary
Don't get me wrong - I WANT Huckabee or Duncan Hunter as the GOP candidate. I admire Ron Paul greatly - he's a Texas congressman who has a very consistent voting record. I agree with Tancredo re. immigration. I like Fred Thompson.

HOWEVER, even a liberal GOP candidate like Rudy or Romney would be better than Hillary.

Some example:

1) Health care: Hillary = socialized health care. Rudy = tax breaks private savings accounts to help pay for health care. Romney = government requires everyone to buy health care and subsidizes those who can't afford it on their own.

2) War on Terror: Hillary = disaster. Rudy = tough on terror. Romney = probably also decent.

3) Taxes: Hillary = increased taxes. Rudy and Romney = keeping taxes low.

4) Abortion: Hillary = rabidly pro-choice. Rudy = pro-choice, but he's been against public funding for abortion in NYC and he would actively promote adoption instead of abortion. Romney = pro-life, even if he had an epiphany to get there.

5) Supreme Court: Hillary = more activist judges. Rudy and Romney = strict constructionist judges, and this may lead to an overthrow of Roe v. Wade.

6) Public Schools: Hillary = more money to the teachers' unions. Rudy = just came out for school choice. Romney = I'm not sure.

7) Illegal immigration: Hillary = amnesty for everyone plus lots of benefits for illegals. Rudy = a real law and order type; he has pledged to enforce the borders and crack down on law-breaking illegals while being pro-legal immigrants. Romney = anti-illegals.

8) Scandals: Hillary = tons of corruption plus Bill with the mobile zipper. Rudy = not corrupt, cracked down on the mafia, but plenty of family drama. Romney = squeaky clean personal life.

Obviously, there are real differences between Hillary and even the more liberal GOP candidates. There are some real positives about these GOP candidates - Rudy is a strong leader, and Romney is a very efficient executive.

Ransom
Liberty:
"So, let me get this straight. The Secretary of State and the Secy of Defense are above the Constitution and can judge whether someone is "a significant risk". And if they think they are, your property is confiscated?"

Ransom:
"It's not that ethereal, and you know it. They don't just deem people "significant risks." Both of those EOs pertained to particular threats, clear and present threats in specific geopolitical situations."

Liberty:
Actually, I know no such thing. The quotes came right out of the EO. I could care less whether they came from the frickin' man in the moon... the EXECUTIVE ORDER IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL and you know it. Now, maybe you think it is fine and dandy to "just trust" that Bush's 2 designees will be good 'ol boys and not abuse their new found powers, but I'm sorry, I'd rather go by OUR CONSTITUTION! If he didn't plan on using this EO to confiscate American's property, why in hell do you think he issued it? For fun?! Are you comfortable with setting up an EMPEROR?

Hey Ransom... have you stopped to think that these same EO will be in effect when Hitlery is President? hhmm.... feels a little different now, doesn't it?

Liberty:
"What happens then? Are you "disappeared" as an enemy combatant. I'm serious here. We have no more habeas corpus. We sat idly by while that was stripped away."

Ransom:
"Yeah right, no habeas corpus. Jose Padilla never appeared before a judge, and was never tried and convicted. No, that was all fake.”

Yeah right. I am reading the legislation and have read what Constitutional scholars have said about the reality. Habeas Corpus has IN FACT been stripped from American citizens. You seem to have no problem with that, as long as they do not come after you. I wonder how you'll feel when they do. But then, it will be too late, now won't it.

TopGun writes
This thread just goes to show how easy the public can be manipulated, and it comes down to who can sell them self the best to the public on the latest concerns of the day.

Read my post to wildwest above...That's exactly what I'm afraid is going to happen.

correction
sorry, vilifying AND libeling.

wildwest
Here's the thing that scares me the most. I guess it was about 6 months ago or so I was watching Jay Leno (I'm usually in bed by the time he comes on becuase I get up at 5 to go to work) anyway he had his man on the street interviews. I remember it was right after the 06 elections and one of the questions asked was "Who is this the new Speaker of the House of Representatives?" He asked like 6 different people and they all got it wrong? Only one person even mentioned a Politician and He/she can't remember which said it was Dick Cheny.
My first thought was "What planet are these people from"? Then a terrible thought hit me.
If these same people who can't even tell you the name of the Speaker of the House of Representatives, end up voting in 08 our country will be in deep DogSh!T

wildwest
Excellent attempt at my vilifying at libeling. Unfortunately for your cause, I'm a well-educated, gainfully employed, intelligent individual. I also happen to wholeheartedly disagree with you, just about 100% of the time we're both posting on TH.

I won't cry about it if you don't.

Top Gun
"It is appalling as to how the liberals have ruined our school systems in order to create stupid voters who fall for their brainwashing."

Yes, but who was it that got us back into UNESCO and their "No Child Left Behind" piece of socialist horse hockey. It was our Republican wonderkind, Dubya.

My point is that we have socialists on BOTH sides of the aisle, and some of them are even telling us they are conservative.

What happened to us (us being conservatives)? Once upon a time we believed in the Constitution. Once upon a time we knew it was the individual who was primary, not groups. Once upon a time, we had a healthy distrust of government, realizing that men sought power and could never be blindly trusted and NEVER with our liberty. It's as if everything has had a major shift to the left. The Democratic party is now the Communist Party and the Republican Party has now taken over their old role of the Socialist Party. All together now... one big happy nanny state.

TopGun
You can't possibly be pinning

"This thread just goes to show how easy the public can be manipulated, and it comes down to who can sell them self the best to the public on the latest concerns of the day"

solely on "liberals", or even Democrats. With Rudy and Mitt repping the GOP at the moment, it's seems "selling themselves the best on the latest concerns of the day" is what every Presidential election is always about, always.

By the way, you never responded to me on that other article from last week, about the GOP being the conservative party only after the 1912 election. T.R., Bull Moose ticket.... ring any bells? Got anything to say?

Zaphood B. Goode
"but in nearly every other issue he is dead-on...yet the entire GOP establishment (not its rank-and-file,) have given him the Stalinist exile treatment. It's as if the man - and most definitely his domestic agenda - do not exist;"

Yes, and maybe you should think about why it is they are doing that. I mean, seriously.

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“...the two American political figures Ron Paul strikes me as being the most similar to are Thomas Jefferson and Barry Goldwater.” – Chuck Muth

“I strongly support Ron Paul. We very badly need to have more Representatives in the House who understand in a principled way the importance of property rights and religious freedom” – Milton Friedman, Nobel Prize Economist

"If the framers of the Constitution were somehow to come back, Ron Paul is one of possibly only three people in Congress that they'd even talk to," said Mr. Williams, adding that most politicians have a "generalized contempt" for the values of the Constitution. – Walter Williams

“...in his heart and in his head, in his character and in his intellect, in what he has done and in what he will become, the Thomas Jefferson of our day, Ron Paul is one of us!" --Judge Andrew Napolitano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8QwTKKSvR8

"Texas Congressman Ron Paul's pro-gun credentials are impeccable and he has been a leading proponent of rolling back the past 40 years of gun control." -- Gun Owners of America

Ron Paul for President '08 -- "HOPE FOR AMERICA"
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/index.php
http://www.ronpaulaudio.com/
http://www.ronpaulnation.com/tv.html
http://gunowners.org/pres08/paul.htm

Zaphood B. Goode
"5. Speaking of Paul: His isolationist, Ostrich-Mode foreign policy position is a glaring and tragic disqualifier,"

Well then, here is good news for you. He's not an isolationist at all, but a non-interventionist. Nor, does he have an "Ostrich-Mode foreign policy position". Tell me, what in ever lovin' hell is so wrong with stopping our current foreign policy of invading and occupying any damn foreign country that we take a whim to invade and occupy (and maybe even possibly overthrow), MIND OUR OWN BUSINESS, TRADE WITH PEOPLE, TALK WITH PEOPLE and IF THEY ATTACK US, ACTUALLY GO AFTER THE ONES WHO DID, rather than take a side venture, to attack a country WHO DID NOT, while letting our attackers escape and rebuild in another country!!!

If you think national security is leaving our ports and borders wide bloody open to let any terrorist who wants to enter our country do so, running our debt up to 9 TRILLION DOLLARS, borrowing over 2 BILLION DOLLARS A DAY from foreign countries, including RED CHINA, allowing ourselves to be financially at the mercy of a country like RED CHINA, such that they can actually threaten to topple our dollar and let the people who attacked us to friggin' escape to Pakistan and rebuild, you need to stop for a minute and really think about what you are thinking!

After that, maybe you should read something out of the reading list Congressman Paul gave Rudy.

1. Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism by Robert A. Pape
2. Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire by Chalmers Johnson
3. Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror by Michael Scheuer (former head the CIA's bin Laden unit)
4. The 9/11 Commission Report: Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States

Big Daddy
I agree that Hillary likely is contemptuous of our soldiers, but I also think she is quite willing to use them to fight and die for her own purpose, which also has nothing to do with our national security.

Note: You'll get no argument from me that she is about as distasteful as one can get. I have nothing but contempt for her, personally.

turn left
the cretin from kos has returned to spout "wisdom". As he advocates for illegals there is no doubt he also champions the socialism promised by either oblhma of the missus clinton. My best guess is that he is either unempolyed or is incapable of making an income that will be effected by the higher taxes proposed by his dim heroes

CharlieS, et al
In response to your "Name ONE thing she has accomplished in all of her time as a Senator from New York."

Here's 3:


In 2005, Clinton and Senator Lindsey Graham cosponsored the American Manufacturing Trade Action Coalition, which provides incentives and rewards for completely domestic American manufacturing companies.

She cosponsored the 21st Century Nanotechnology Research and Development Act, which encourages research and development in the field of nanotechnology.[133] She included language in an energy bill to provide tax exempt bonding authority for environmentally conscious construction projects,[134] and introduced an amendment that funds job creation to repair, renovate and modernize public schools.[134]

In 2005, Clinton called for the Federal Trade Commission to investigate how hidden sex scenes showed up in the controversial video game Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.[144] Along with Senators Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh, she introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act, intended to protect children from inappropriate content found in video games.

(By the way, I'm an Obama guy now. But if/when Hill gets the nom, she has my smiling support.)

Hillary
It is really scary to think Hillary has a good chance to become president. I am in my 80's so I don't worry too much about myself but we have sons, grandchildren and great-grandchildren and just wonder what is going to happen to them. I just do not understand how anybody could possibly vote for Hillary or anyone like her.
Thanks for letting me vent my "anger" and concern for this country and the people in it.
May Livingston

bman
sc has open primaries. At the last go around I entered the voting cubicle and proudly marked an XZ nest to the name of al sharpton. I had been assured by the hero John Kerry that sharpton had an important voice in the dim party and heeded his advice. I suggest you do something similar. But go not as a thief in the night. Strut up proudly and with pencil in hand and show your contempt for that party by supporting edweirds

Smitty
I checked your "blog!" What garbage! You are obviously a hate monger; anyone who spouts such nonsense as you do should be exposed. You may claim to be a republican, but I say you are not!

Don't bother responding to me, I won't waste my time discussing such disgusting ideas.

shells
I'm with you on this one. I may have issues with a number of Republican frontrunners, and I certainly have issues with Republican leadership on the Hill, but I'd write in Mickey Mouse before I'd vote for Hillary. Rudy, Fred, John, Mitt...any one of them is better than the junior senator from my state.

People hate the "lesser of two evils" argument, but there are occasions when it works. This might be one of them.

Liberty
HRC has nothing but contempt for the man or woman in uniform. Her past proves it. She talks a good talk and has positioned herself to be on the right committees, not for her "love" of the military, but for political posturing. And to that the fact she is an outright liar.
Quote:
"The American people are tired of liars and people who pretend to be something they're not."

"I have said that I'm not running and I'm having a great time being pres — being a first-term senator." —on her presidential ambitions

One Reason Why They Probably Won't
In the last Presidential election, 53% of the voters were women. That percentage is likely to increaese this time around, swelled by an influx of young, single women who traditionally have not voted. And for those of you who say women won't vote for Sen. Clinton, I'd advise you to put this well-worn canard aside and check the numbers underlying her two Senate election victories and nearly every recent poll.

Bottom line: bad time to be an angry, middle-aged white guy.

8 reasons to impeach Bush

Kyoto: Bush has signed onto the global warming bullshirt.

Corruption: Bush is most corrupt President in history of nation, he's taken millions from sub-prime lenders who make home loans to illegal aliens, he even sold a ambassadorship to a foreigner.

Tax Hikes: Although Bush didn't impose any direct tax hikes he's imposed indirect tax hikes more than any President in the history of America, specifically he's annihilated the dollar & added trillions in unfunded debts & liabilities

Amnesty & Open boders: No comment necessary

Losing Iraq: The war has been mismanaged & compromised from the moment we seized Saddam.

Disaster In The War On Terror: More Muslims have been allowed to move into America under Bush than the sum total for the prior 200 years, ditto for criminal organizations such as MS 13, Mexican mafia, Russian Mafia.

Socialized Medicine: Bush added a huge new Socialist federal unauthorized bureaucracy & benefit, expanded no child left behind & expanded childrens (illegal alien children) healthcare programs nationwide.

Supreme Court: Bush appointed wallpaper candidates who won't do anything, Harriet Miers?
Private Property rights have been obliterated under Bush's Presidency.

Hillary Clinton is like GWB with teats!

All you need to know about Mrs. Clinton
"I want to take those profits and use them to fund research into alternative sources of energy."

She was talking about oil company profits, but it doesn't really matter whose profits she was talking about or what she proposes to do with them. If she thinks she (using the first person singular) should have the authority to autocratically confiscate the fruits of other people's labor AND RISK to use for whatever SHE WANTS, she has the soul of a despot, nothing less.

This woman should not be allowed anywhere near the font of political power.

8 Reasons Why They Probably Won't II
7. Illegal immigration is not a problem because businesses aren't regulated enough, it's because nobody is working with, pressuring, and if necessary threatening, the Mexican government into transforming itself into a vibrant, laissez faire system with a reliable, limited government. Not a peep on this;

8. The GOP "leadership" neither understand, nor show any willingness to fight for, America's Founding ideology. In a word: Individualism and the ethics of self-interest and self-reliance as primary principles. The minute a Demo-Socialist shouts "mean-spirited!" the GOP's best and brightest wring their hands and protest that they're just as altruistic (read: socialistic) as the Left. And sadly, they're always right about that.

8 Reasons Why They Probably Won't
1. The very focus on "Beating Hillary" indicates a gaping hole where an agenda should be;

2. The Republican "leadership" FEAR THE LABEL "EXTREMIST" MORE THAN THEY LOVE LIBERTY.
Think about that.

3. Reagan constantly admonished: Government has gotten too massive, too all-intrusive, too disrespectful of property and too oppressive of our rights - and MUST BE DOWNSIZED, DRASTICALLY. But not a peep from a single one of the current crop of GOP candidates - Paul excepted (and no, I'm not a Paul supporter);

4. No specific proposals for radical, Reaganesque change: How have Japan, socialist Britain, and even Ahmad-in-a-jar's Iranian theocracy all successfully privatized their postal systems, yet our postal DMV remains? Why does Russia - the former USSR - have a lower income tax than us? Why does socialist France out-produce our nuclear energy capacity by a spread of 60%?!? Why haven't we dismantled environmentalism when our de facto promise of "no competition" to OPEC essentially bankrolls al-Qaida? Why was 1979 the last year a new US oil refinery went on line? The list goes on - well, MINE does...

5. Speaking of Paul: His isolationist, Ostrich-Mode foreign policy position is a glaring and tragic disqualifier, but in nearly every other issue he is dead-on...yet the entire GOP establishment (not its rank-and-file,) have given him the Stalinist exile treatment. It's as if the man - and most definitely his domestic agenda - do not exist;

6. Fred Thompson isn't going to Save The Day. Even if he were another Reagan - and he has that to prove - and even if he hadn't voted for McCain's shredding of our First Amendment, his continued absence has turned from clever strategy into AWOL frivolity or worse, cowardice. And...he has something he must prove to us, conclusively;

cont'd -

shells
fortunately for us there are many who recognize the evil proposed by the missus clinton and her lust to bring about socialism. The trouble right now is that we are still 15 months out from the election and the majority of voters haven't even begun to look at the candidates. It is only idiots like us that argue the pro's and cons of issues and candidates. The dims have narrowed their choise to either the missus or oblahma or a combo of both. The repuibs are refining positions. I like are sides apporoach to the issues. I think that by election time the repubs will have refined their positions into programs they will press for, right after the repub takes office. Even the dims are not so anxious for huge tax increase to pay for the programs the dims are offering to get continued suppoort from the losers in life they enable. But right now the left has more hatred for bush than love for the missus or oblahma. The ardor will cool

Icedog, ScottK: Yeah, yeah, yeah
I've heard all that "President Hillary" hysteria before, and frankly it's meaningless as far as I'm concerned.

RINO Rudy's just as eager to drive the bus of this country over the cliff; the only thing they disagree on is how fast they'll do it and which guard rail to crash through.

I live in California, where we have the Governator, who's not even as bad on the issues as RINO Rudy, and things are terrible here with him as Governor.

I'm not going to vote for an EVEN WORSE version for Prez.

The Dems took Congress last year ("Speaker Pelosi" hysteria jog anyone's memory?), and they've managed to run their poll numbers beyond the basement.

Maybe we need a term of Hitlary for this country to wake up. We had to get through Carter to get Reagan. Maybe the country needs another good whack upside the head with a 2X4 again.


I'm going to be sick
All I know and care about is that we conservatives better support whoever has an R after his name and is running against her.

I don't want to hear the lesser of two evils, I don't care about inner pride and stoicism. I don't care how liberal Rudy is or how crazy Ron Paul is. I will stand by and vote on election day for the republican running against her, even if he may not be the one of our dreams.

Call me weak minded, I don't give a damn. I absolutely refuse to contribute to enabling Hillary becoming president.

Huge Tax Hikes. Huge Tax Hikes. Huge Tax Hikes.
Every socialist program will cost us. Our future will be governed and controlled by the likes of her and Red Nancy.

We cannot afford this. I cannot afford this.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, get it through your skulls. Someone will have to pay for this, and it will be us.

So, my friggin gawd, get out and vote. And again, for those who chose to sit at home and whine because your candidate isn't the one running against Hillary, and you chose not to vote because of your "pride of conservatism"-remember this:

If Hillary gets elected, you have no right or room to whine about it. You enabled it. And I'll be here to remind you.

I'm going to be sick
All I know and care about is that we conservatives better support whoever has an R after his name and is running against her.

I don't want to hear the lesser of two evils, I don't care about inner pride and stoicism. I don't care how liberal Rudy is or how crazy Ron Paul is. I will stand by and vote on election day for the republican running against her, even if he may not be the one of our dreams.

Call me weak minded, I don't give a damn. I absolutely refuse to contribute to enabling Hillary becoming president.

Huge Tax Hikes. Huge Tax Hikes. Huge Tax Hikes.
Every socialist program will cost us. Our future will be governed and controlled by the likes of her and Red Nancy.

We cannot afford this. I cannot afford this.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, get it through your skulls. Someone will have to pay for this, and it will be us.

So, my friggin gawd, get out and vote. And again, for those who chose to sit at home and whine because your candidate isn't the one running against Hillary, and you chose not to vote because of your "pride of conservatism"-remember this:

If Hillary gets elected, you have no right or room to whine about it. You enabled it. And I'll be here to remind you.

Hillary and Rudy (the finish)
Bill has already signed the Kyoto Treaty, so she doesn't ahe to sign it again. But she could certainly push for Senate ratification.

Hill will surely propose all kinds of taxes on energy (gasoline, heating oil, natural gas, electricity, oil companies, plane tickets, train fares, etc.) to "protect" us from global warming, of which there is more and more evidence that GW has little to do with human activity and much more to do with the sun in a period of high radiation. See a few Google hits of 2,300,000 sites for solar system warming.

She will surely accept defeat in the Middle East, which could generate the Carter years all over: military humiliation, high unemployment, high interst rates, high inflation, and in this case, elevated agitation and attacks by worldwide jihadsts. She will also likely not support Israel fully and kowtow to European elitist attitudes toward aggressive Islam.

Bill only ever won 43 percent of the vote because Ross Perot ran in both 1992 and 1996.

If the Reps. don't run Rudy, no Ron Paul or Sam Brownback will ever approach the numbers needed for a 2008 victory.

Hillary v Rudy
Hillary has never led anything in an executive position.

Rudy governed NYC for two terms when the elite left was saying the city was ungovernable.

Hill used the Twin Towers for photo ops and siphoning federal taxes for show purposes, but

Rudy was the mayor, on the ground, at the Twin Towers, with a headquarters right across the street before the cement dust settled.

Hillary is beholden to the unions nationally.

Rudy never capitulated to the powerful public unions in NYC.

Hill wants to absorb 8 percent of the economy through health care and never saw a social program she didn't want to fund.

Rudy cut the welfare rolls in half in NYC, cut taxes, raised revenue, brought tourists back to the city, and stopped the emigration of the middle class from the city. Rudy has proposed a $15,000 tax credit for citizens who need to purchase their own health insurance. He believes people should make their own ec. and health choices.

Hillary believes she knows what to tell you to do.

Hillary will also support the Fairness Doctrine, which is actually designed to shut down cons. talk radio and sites like Townhall.

She will get to make at least two Supreme Court choices, and they will not be in the mode of Alito or Roberts.


Conservatives Must Win
John Hawkins is correct, Conservatives must win. Cussing the darkness, however, does not bring light. Only a CONSERVATIVE can beat Hillary or any other Democrat.
The only CONSERVATIVE running is Duncan Hunter. Check him out, instead of going along with the RINO lineup, which includes all but Duncan Hunter.
Have you noticed that the main issues in this campaign were 'pioneered' by Duncan Hunter, who has persevered over many years, or they would already have been lost in the shuffle. Now all these Johny-Come Latelys are HiJacking Hunter's issues. But when they screech and posture about these Issues, they show their ignorance of specifics. They have not thought them through. They have not experienced the fight. Dincan Hunter is a Straight Shooter. Duncan Hunter Walks The Walk.

Ah, the Woman With One Eyebrow....
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It's not like you could ever expect a member of the medical profession to regard Bubba's Ball-and-Chain with anything but complete revulsion, right?

Consider '93, and the proceedings of the Task Force on National Health Care Reform convened by her impregnator, Waco Willie.

Among the many facts concerning that Task Force (and Mommie Dearest's role in chairing same) are these:

(1) Among the 511 members thereof, *NONE* were doctors or hospital administrators (who, if for no other reason, you'd kinda expect would be asked to participate on the basis of clinical and operational health care delivery insight, wouldn'tcha?).

(2) Over 90% of the Task Force membership were federal employees, pimarily from Democratic congressional staffs.

(3) All Task Force meetings were held in secret.

If you knew nothing else besides this about she who aspires to be America's Baggage-in-Chief, this ought to do it for you.

She not only faunches to "nationalize" roughly 17% of the U.S. GDP, but she intends to slam her vision down on the nation without the little inconveniences that come with public access and open discussion.

Need anything more be said?
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"A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

-- The Declaration of Independence, in Congress, July 4, 1776




biggdogg
how ab out living in the present. you continually deflect todays issues wityh the past. Oh wait I just heard your master, bubba, he is calling you for his monica

Icedog say it aint so
If we complete the transition to socialism there wont be an America anymore

Bigg Dogg
Please answer one question for me:

1. Socialism in America can work if we just give it a chance.

A. True
B. False

Hillary a nightmare
If Hillary Rodham becomes President if will be the worst this counntry has ever witnessed. We will all be responsible for that if enough R's and a number of Independents vote for her.

Our taxes will go up, our economy will tank, more illegals will come in, unemployment will definitely go up from its present low of 3 something. Terrorists will continue to strike US interests, but the D's will say we are better off. At best Hillary would be a one term President. Another Carter.

How can the economy be better than it is right now? What is not to like about these past 7 years? Any lib would like to tackle the question and compare the Clinton era to the second Bush era?

And a little more...
"So, let me get this straight. The Secretary of State and the Secy of Defense are above the Constitution and can judge whether someone is "a significant risk". And if they think they are, your property is confiscated?"

It's not that ethereal, and you know it. They don't just deem people "significant risks." Both of those EOs pertained to particular threats, clear and present threats in specific geopolitical situations.

"What happens then? Are you "disappeared" as an enemy combatant. I'm serious here. We have no more habeas corpus. We sat idly by while that was stripped away."

Yeah right, no habeas corpus. Jose Padilla never appeared before a judge, and was never tried and convicted. No, that was all fake.

Keep enemy combatants in Gitmo. Heck, they're treated better there than they are in Attica.

lolo
it is time for you to realize that the dims and their leftist supporters can't wait for the arrivial of socialism and huge tax increases to support additional failed govt programs. No matter how many times the missus clinton, oblahma and edweirds open their pie holes and tell of more programs and higher taxes they just don't get it. It is more than obvious the the left has no understanding of basic economics. BTW do those of the dims favorite victimization group view both DR Sowel and Dr Williams as house n*ggers as they are apt to call any black who is conserv and repub. More likely they are too stupid to understand how clearly those two men of intelligence can explain matters. But the left sees this glorius socialism as nirvana, unable to recognize it has been an abject failure everywhere is has been applied. sorry for my continued rant, good morning

Liberty
"I am stating facts and have referenced the actual documents. Yet, you seem to be trying to divert from that by mentioning Alex Jones. Nice try, but I don't listen to the guy. Try again."

No, you're not stating facts. By saying that you think those EOs are open-ended, you're giving an opinion. You're allowed to do that, but don't say that you're only giving us facts.

I'm glad you don't listen to Jones. I merely brought up his name because he is saying much of the same stuff.

"What part of the Constitution do you think it is alright to overthrow?"

None of it. Can you show me that we're overthrowing the Constitution? If you can give firm evidence, then I'll certainly believe you.

Stoic Patriot
You are a classic example of a voter who is unable to connect the dots.

I have a question
Does anyone here give a damn about the Constitution?

Rob
I did NOT say the following that you attributed to me... "They can listen to my phone calls too. Then they'll know where I'm setting up my tee time for this weekend."

Warren Small
You actually bought what the Firefighters Union was selling?

I can assure you as a New Yorker, individual firefighters love Rudy. Their union spends all its members' dues supporting Democrats and attacking Republicans, and have opposed Rudy from day one. It had nothing to do with his handling of 9/11 or his support for firefighters, which was actually very strong. By the way, cops love the guy even more than firefighters do, although the Policeman's Benevolent Association might have a few choice slanders for him.

The liberal media fell all over themselves when the Firefighters Union -- a far left organization -- criticized Rudy. They knew they could distort the story into the impression that firemen were ill-treated while Rudy was the mayor. Their target was the great mass of gullible and careless readers and viewers out there, who never take a moment to think beyond the liberal reporter's agenda.

As for his kids, they are not fair game. When Patti Davis dropped the Reagan surname out of rebellion against her father's politics, nobody blamed Reagan for this. Some people just have intemperate and difficult children. It's a non-story, as far as I'm concerned.

Hawkins
Disaster In The War On Terror - care to name something in particular that will become FUBAR if Clinton's in office? You'll need something better if you want me to vote against Hillary. North Korea will be a permanent nuclear power, and the only way to stop Iran is military action, something which no person, Republican or Democrat, is about to do given the mood of the electorate. The wiretapping is significant, and gives me a reason to vote against her, but that's mild at best.

Socialized Medicine - once again, the socialism bit is a good reason to vote against her

Supreme Court - as with open borders, it only makes sense to vote against her here if we don't nominate Giuliani. Giuliani has praised Justice Ginsburg for her tenure, I kid you not.


Want to defeat Hillary? Don't nominate Giuliani. The most compelling thing you have going for you is socialism if you're not going to motivate the values-voters, and by itself that won't be enough to overcome her.

Hawkins
Kyoto - sounds more like a stockholder's business interest than mine. I don't buy the environmentalist alarmist agenda, but there is such a thing as externalities in economics, and it's sensible to try and correct for them. The issue is getting the measure right, and being able to engage in some sort of collective action. Regardless, this won't influence my vote.

Corruption - this happens with either political party. The HillBillie ticket has sexual indiscretion, while Republicans get caught with their hands in the piggy bank. Once again, this is no reason to then vote against Hillary.

Tax Hikes - now we're talkin'. Hillary's comments effectively state "Hugo, Hugo, we love you!"

Amnesty and Open Borders - if Giuliani succeeds, he'll give us the same thing. This is only a reason to vote against Hillary if we pick someone other than Giuliani.

Losing Iraq - Hillary is the most hawkish of the Democrats. Now that the surge in Iraq is working, don't be too surprised if she keeps the troops there and claims credit for the success. She's not dumb. Yet again, this is not a reason to vote against Hillary.

Liberty has a legitimate concern
In the wrong hands the use of the military for reason other than a national emergency as Ransom defined it, would be possible. A real question would be if the troops would follow it. I suggest we consider Waco and Ruby Ridge in this context. We always have to worry about power.
Take the whole wiretapping issue. If they simply constrained it by saying the information obtained could not be used in a court of law against US citizens. That it is part of the poisoned tree. Them most people objections would be eliminated because it would only be viable against foreign terrorists.

Ransom
I am stating facts and have referenced the actual documents. Yet, you seem to be trying to divert from that by mentioning Alex Jones. Nice try, but I don't listen to the guy. Try again.

What part of the Constitution do you think it is alright to overthrow?

Icedog
For one, he states that we are in a declared state of national emergency.

For another, I find the EOs to be extremely open-ended and more than unconstitutional. Let's look at this one to start. "Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq". I mean, here we have a President who is saying that "the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense", will determine whether an AMERICAN's property will be seized. What happened to due process, trial by your peers, ...? Have you really looked at the reasons they have specified there?

"to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:"

So, let me get this straight. The Secretary of State and the Secy of Defense are above the Constitution and can judge whether someone is "a significant risk". And if they think they are, your property is confiscated? What happens then? Are you "disappeared" as an enemy combatant. I'm serious here. We have no more habeas corpus. We sat idly by while that was stripped away.

Do none of you see that we are giving these people WAY too much power?!!

Liberty, again...
"Tell me then, why was it that our Founding Fathers bothered themselves at all in writing the Constitution?"

They believed in limited government, as do I. But if you think they didn't use the military (at times) within national borders, then you need to crack open a few text books.

"Note: It also sounds like you need to read the Warner Defense Spending Authorization of 2006."

I have. And it doesn't keep me up at night.

"Are you seriously sitting there and telling me that you won't trouble your little head about our Constitution being ripped to shreds and a surveillance state being enacted all around us, UNTIL someone comes and knocks at YOUR own door?"

No, Alex Jones--I mean, Liberty. How is this now a surveillance state? Listening in on foreign phone calls between suspected terrorists, or even listening in on them domestically? Gosh, I hope they're doing that with suspected terrorists.

"Seems to me, I remember reading that this was exactly how Hitler was allowed to come to power."

So you are comparing the President to a fascist. I thought so, even though you tried denying it earlier. Just so we're clear.

"I seriously do not believe I am reading this pacifist, thumb-sucking BS from a fellow American. WOW!"

How does it make me a pacifist? I'm all of a sudden against all war because I disagree with you? Give me a break.

To Warren Small
Let me guess, you have a graduate degree?

I can't understand a word you write. . .

Liberty
"You've got to be kidding, man. So, you don't have a problem with the Constitution being essentially suspended? None at all, eh?"

Nope, I'm not kidding. How is it being suspended? I didn't see how those EOs were suspending the Constitution.

And what are your concerns over Posse Comitatus? Are you scared that it's going to be suspended in the near future? Or is it the fear that the President now has the "authority" to suspend it in a national emergency?

And in a national emergency (nuke hit, bio/chem attack, etc.), I wouldn't mind seeing a few Guardsmen directing traffic.

Posse Comitatus
"It generally prohibits Federal military personnel and units of the United States National Guard under Federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act substantially limit the powers of the Federal government to use the military for law enforcement."

"The whole text of the relevant legislation is as follows:

Sec. 1385. - Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus

"Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both"."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

Liberty
I read the articles on your links (except for the Blog links). What exactly has you in an uproar?

Liberty
Posse Comitatus is defined as, "The body of persons that a peace officer of a county is empowered to call upon for assistance in preserving the peace, making arrests, and serving writs."


The military, through this law, is normally prohibited from assisting civilian authorities with enforcing law or maintaining the peace. When temporarily suspended, it simply expands the resources of civilian authorities and allows them to utilize military personnel and resources.

It is not Qualified or Absolute Martial Law (the military takes charge), and is most definitely not for “the military to be used against its own people.” You’ve been watching too many movies.

My God People, WAKE UP!
Our country needs us. PLEASE check out the links I posted above! Please stop and really think about what we are allowing to happen. I beg you.

Ransom
You've got to be kidding, man. So, you don't have a problem with the Constitution being essentially suspended? None at all, eh?

Tell me then, why was it that our Founding Fathers bothered themselves at all in writing the Constitution?

Do you remember this....?

"In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson

Note: It also sounds like you need to read the Warner Defense Spending Authorization of 2006.

Are you seriously sitting there and telling me that you won't trouble your little head about our Constitution being ripped to shreds and a surveillance state being enacted all around us, UNTIL someone comes and knocks at YOUR own door? Seems to me, I remember reading that this was exactly how Hitler was allowed to come to power. I seriously do not believe I am reading this pacifist, thumb-sucking BS from a fellow American. WOW!

Liberty
What do I think? Honestly, I'm not too concerned that the president or the SecTreas will authorize seizure of my house. So am I concerned? Not too much.

"Do you like the fact that now the military can be used against its own people?"

Can you provide factual evidence that this is true? And can you then give me a reliable example of when it's occurred?

They can listen to my phone calls too. Then they'll know where I'm setting up my tee time for this weekend.

Ransom
You're not answering the question. What do you think about what you read in the links I posted?

Additionally, you bring up the point that we are at war. Are you saying that it is alright to suspend the Constitution and the rule of law, when we are at war? What about Posse Comitatus? Do you like the fact that now the military can be used against its own people? Did you read those EO's and PDD? Do you think they're more than just a little open-ended? Do you think they are constitutional?

missus clinton
the libs are still supporting missus clinton more because of bush hatred than clinton love. The libs believe but won't admit that should the missus win it will be a third term for bubba. She has been a serial enabler and has alwasy deferred to his wishes. She campaigns on his "strengths" as thought they are hers and runs away from his scandals as though until today she had never heard of them. Her ploy of planning to name bubba as her ambasador to the world is her code word for bubba will be my co-president. It matters not who the dims nominate as VP, that position is heading to minor leagues as the missus will never share the limelight with anyone but bubba. It is her business if she wants to sing the praises of that moral reprobate, the rest of us don't need to have him foisted upon once again as though he could actually accomplish something. The clintons want to re-write history and remove the stain of the bubba's presidentcy. The problem is that his co-conspirator will be "in charge" and why would that mean any change is possible.

Big Daddy
"Because She is a Damn Socialist!
She is anti-military, anti-Constitution and she is a socialist, bottom-line."

I agree that she's a socialist. I would even go so far to suggest she is a communist. Most certainly is anti-Constitution. I'm not so sure about being anti-military though. She may differ where she wants the troops to be, but she certainly wants to use them to continue nation-building. She is bought and paid for by the same special interests as most of the rest. There is a reason by Rupert Murdoch holds fundraisers for Hillary.

We've been sold out, people!

re: Liberty
"Did you take a look at the links? What did you think about what you read?"

I don't like what is happening during a time of war, but a time of war it is. Do you want to throw Lincoln into this as well? Remember what he did during the Civil War? It was child's play compared to some of what is happening now.


re: Critical Bill
"reads like 8 reasons why us liberals should make sure conservatives don't win the 2008 election... you're going to have to come up with better reasons than that to win an election you lot are firm favourites to lose, and lose big time. Kerry lost in 2004 because he ran on an "I'm not George Bush" platform. It doesn't work, and running on an "I'm not Hillary" won't work either..."

So what are your 8 reasons for voting for Hillary? Or are you just one of those liberals that gets so excited about getting the first lass in the White House?

Ransom
I'm not calling him anything.

Did you take a look at the links? What did you think about what you read?

Because She is a Damn Socialist!
She is anti-military, anti-Constitution and she is a socialist, bottom-line.

Ninth Reason

.....Consider Nurse Ratchet from "One Flew Over the Cuckoo Nest" running the Ministry of Truth from "Brave New World" .....COLOSSUS

re: Liberty
"Beyond that, does it harken back to something else you read about that happened in another country in the past?"

So, let me get this straight, are you calling this president a fascist or a communist?

re: apujac
"what's so polarizing about hilary? she presents herself a normal person as you and I. get over it."

What's so polarizing? Where have you been? HillaryCare, TravelGate, presidential pardons, the Lincoln bedroom, lying about being the scorned wife--when she knew all along about Bill's various dalliances...these are just a few reasons why she is polarizing.

But she is as normal as you and me, right? I wish I got a multimillion dollar contract to "write" (read: get ghost-written) my autobiography.

"get over it."

No, don't think so. She said she will raise taxes. She said she will federalize health care. Socialism is bad for America, so I won't get over it.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch....
Homeland Security Enlists Clergy to Quell Public Unrest if Martial Law Ever Declared
http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987

Note: Be sure and watch the news clip on this, accessible from the left hand side of the article.

Note: Did you catch when they said Posse Comitatus was done away with last year? What do you think about that?.

Dictator or President?
I suggest that everyone read some of the latest Executive Orders. Now, when you read these, I want you to think about the open ended nature of them and ask yourself what is really being said. I'm serious here.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/08/20070802-1.html

While you're at it, please read Presidential Directive 51
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

Bush Administration Says Warrantless Eavesdropping Cannot Be Questioned
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/08/bush-administ-1.html

I'm serious, folks. Please read these things and stop and think what we're building in this country. Do you think this is Constitutional? Beyond that, does it harken back to something else you read about that happened in another country in the past?

Just shoot me
No No Please no more Clinton's I cant take any more.
Cant they just get a real job. Bill is-is relatively harmless compared to Hillary. Hillary will really screw up the country. Defining how many whats can be where. Do we need a soviet style 5 year plan for everything cause thats her style. Of course we are all stupid and need her guidance! Take a village to raise a child. (read government tell everyone what color and how high).
Give me a break I hope I dont live long enough to see this.

rudy who?
please...would someone here explain what a hero is? rudy is capitalizing on the his title the conservative media anointed him but let's step back and acess the fact that any mayor can march down the street with media all around him declaring terrorism was behind the 9/11. the true heroes and terror fighters are the ones that gave their lives trying to save people. rudy, you don't deserve the title "real american hero", so why don't you give it up and honor the "real heroes" of NYC.

hilary for president
what's so polarizing about hilary? she presents herself a normal person as you and I. get over it. let's move on to what really matters to american people, honesty.
incidentally i was a republican till 2005.

compone: Times have changed
compone writes: "The south and the west and much of the midwest are solid GOP"

Not any more.

The key swing state of Ohio, won by Bush in both 2000 and 2004, decisively broke for the Democrats in 2006. They elected liberal Democrat Sherrod Brown, defeating pro-Bush Republican Mike DeWine.

And without Ohio, no Republican can win this election.

for Wayfinder: times have changed
Wayfinder writes: "See, if she expects to get more than 50% of the vote this election (which is more than her husband ever got), she'll need conservative, pro-American exceptionalism, pro-American victory in the War on Terror, entrepreneurial votes like mine."

Not true, judging by the latest polls:

Probably because of various Bush failures, Independent voters have now broken decisively toward the Democrats. Those swing voters who voted for Bush in 2004 in Ohio, for example, are now tilting decisively toward the Democrats.

If Hillary puts together a coalition of loyal Democrats + about 60% of the Independent voters, she can win over the remaining 35-40% of hard-core conservative voters. Because she'll have won most of everybody else.

Hillary's problem is NOT ideological but personal: Independent voters have walked away from conservatism (thanks to Bush), but they still don't like Hillary personally. She has to reverse that perception before Election Day 2008.

CB
Please...do tell...which great Democrat candidate is going to lead us to the promise land?

Besides...
The reality is that if Hillary wins the world will continue to turn regardless. All of this scare mongering like she's some sort of Stalin is a piece of nonsense. Those that are in power will effectively remain in power, those that are at the bottom of the social ladder will pretty much stay put and all of us in the middle will end up with very similar lives that we have now. Yes, because Bill Clinton led a revolution didn't he...? Of course he didn't. The status quo was maintained and everyone got on with it. Just the same as will happen when his Mrs gets a go at it...

Warren and pianogirl
You guys have taken "grassroots efforts" to a new level...are you guys actually sitting in Ron Paul's Campaign HQ?

I applaud your efforts and it always warms my soul to see "democracy in action". I am keeping my eye on all the Republican candidates....hopefully one will have the character and vision to seperate from the pack.


Warren, one word of advice...the constant "neocon" rants greatly hurt your message. We've had the debate on these pages countless times and the definitions for "neocon" are all over the map.....in fact I've been a conservative for 20+ years and have never even met one.

Great Points By Hawkins but....
...he miss'd a few.

What about the fact that if the dem's win the Presidency and both houses they'll mount a nation wide push of gerry mandering, etc to make darn sure they never lose power again. Read more on this horror story:
http://streetlevel.townhall.com/g/dadd2674-2892-4e51-820f-60b85fac7675

And to anyone who says "Hillary can't win" - well you are living in unreality. Without Texas' 34 electoral votes in '08 there is no chance for the GOP. And Texas is in peril of going Blue in '08. Read more on why:
http://streetlevel.townhall.com/g/40db1d93-d21a-468d-be6a-4a6abca758d2
Darvin Dowdy


Icedog
No, I mean in that whoever the Dems get into the White House will provide a vast improvement in all of the areas that Hawkins identifies - I mean, the Republicans have messed up all of them so badly that they provide excellent motivation for keeping conservatives out of power for a while...

Icedog
Thanks for your reply.

As an intelligent, thoughtful person, I'm sure you will look at this link to a 2002 interview with Ron Paul given by Bill Moyers. It clearly presents Ron Paul's defense of his position as to the Iraq war, and is one of my favorites.

http://valuefreedom.blogspot.com/2007/06/5-ron-paul-on-preemptive-war.html

Thanks.

Critical Bill
So, are we to assume you actually support these 8 agenda items?!?

good list...
reads like 8 reasons why us liberals should make sure conservatives don't win the 2008 election... you're going to have to come up with better reasons than that to win an election you lot are firm favourites to lose, and lose big time. Kerry lost in 2004 because he ran on an "I'm not George Bush" platform. It doesn't work, and running on an "I'm not Hillary" won't work either...

Remember Last Time
Let's not kid ourselves: From 92-2000, Hillary RAN the White House.
REMEMBER:
No military persoinnel could wear a uniform into the White House.
The White House Travel Office.
WACO
Elian Gonzalez--You talk about ignoring the law.. There are two things you can do to a person:
a. Arrest them (with probable cause or a warrant)
b. Kidnap them
Hill and Bill are both attorneus. knew this, grabbed the kid, and ave him back to Castro.

At least, GW Bush just caters to Mexico.

BrianR - huh???

With a few more "proud and principled" conservatives like you... who needs liberals.

If Rudy should become the nominee... why even have an election?

Just appoint the Hildebeast as the next POTUS... and get ready for socialized medicine.

Hope you like standing in line when it hurts.

Sad.


pianogirl and other RP supporters
I read the recent Ron Paul interview in Human Events and some of his prior interviews. I believe the guy has some solid conservative views, but he is completely delusional when it comes to foreign affairs and national defense.

It looks like he dusted off a copy of the "American First Committee" playbook from the 1930s.....his foreign policies are nothing more than wishful thinking and pure fantasy.


BrianR
I can definitely appreciate the predicament of being forced to choose between a pseudo-republican and Hillary, but choose we must.

The point you are trying to make by sitting at home on Election Day will be lost or soon forgotten, and Hillary will lead us to a socialist hell. Many conservatives stayed home in 2006 and what did that get us….Pelosi and Reed…..and do you really believe it “changed” any of our Republican leaders?

I would prefer not to eat Spam for 4 years, but it definitely beats strychnine or cyanide.


More than 8? From Ron W
1.We would have 26 years of either a Bush or a Clinton in the Whitehouse. 2. A Jimmy Carter style distruction of our military, the Clintons hate the military and receive no respect in return. 3. Abortion which has been going down the past 8 years would again receive support from the top office. 4. Same sex marriage and civil unions given support 5. Don't ask don't tell taken from the military 6. Hate crimes laws supported, Freedom of speech in serious danger 7. In God we trust removed from our money, and God from our pledge 8. The gun contol nuts who have been under control would again have total support THere are 8 more, and you could list 100. Ron W.

UHC is a winning issue for ANY Democrat
Why? Because to anyone that is even slightly left-of-center, it appears as a panacea. The rhetoric that is most often heard is: "If the US is the only Western democracy that doesn't 'protect all its citizens' clearly, there must be something wrong with US."

But how do conservatives view UHC? I refer not to the ivory-tower, intellectuals (and TH bloggers) - but real-world voters ..

I must confess that it has a seductive appeal - even for a conservative business owner like me. When I spend $250/mo/employee on health insurance, it is tempting to think of a nanny state stepping in, wiping my tears away, and writing that check on my behalf. It takes some thought to make a connection between that 'warm, fuzzy feeling' and the fact that with UHC, my six-figured annual business taxes will rise by at least 20%.

It is even more difficult for those Americans who are honest, hardworking, conservative and poor to take an ideological stance against UHC on the grounds that it is unfair.
: : :
UHC will become reality because of our previous mistakes. EVERY ENTITLEMENT IS A STEPPING STONE TO ANOTHER. If "True American" is paying taxes to support the Public Education of his neighbor's kids (remember, he has no family), can anyone blame him for expecting something in return?
----------------end of excerpt-------------------
To read the article titled "And 'free' health care for all .." visit: http://voice.townhall.com/g/654fd9b5-7314-4731-a311-90df415cbe80

Thankfully
Hillary Clinton has a high percentage of disapproval with the American voters. If the Republicans can make hay out of some of her disastrous positions, that disapproval rating can only soar. I mean, who really wants amnesty for illegal immigrants and socialized medicine?

The best choice for a healthy America is still Congressman Ron Paul. Check it out!

http://www.ronpaul2008.com

Compone
I wish I had your level of confidence that the south and west will keep Hellacious out of the White House. The problem I see is with the single women voters who will most certainly be a strong block of voters for her. Too, the fact that she is beating every presidential candidate in the polls, with the singular exception of Algore, does not make for kickback time. Also, too many voters are coming online who don't remember the Clinton dual oligarchy and the attendant corruption that well.
Boobus Americanus will have the opportunity to revisit the Klowntoon administration's crimes during the campaign after the conventions under the onslaught of negative campaigning. Whether this will be enough to derail her, remains to be seen.

Hillary The Next Nixon
I don't actually think HC would curtail wiretapping, the only point for which I disagree. Should she become President, I actually expect her to tap everything that moves despite what she's saying now. She's too much like Nixon not to want to know what imaginary, potential and actual enemies are up to.

This is the same guy
Who had 8 reasons(maybe more) against Ron Paul, a couple months ago. There's no way I'm voting for Hillary, BUT, I'm not voting for Frack instead of Frick, as someone else here put it, just to vote AGAINST her. Ron Paul IS the best candidate, of the bunch.

Cornpone
(BTW, not the same Bob as the one who posted the link above.)

I have to disagree with you for several reasons. I think she can and probably will win unless things change over the next year or so.

-National recognition, she'll attract the young people and hipsters who will vote for her because Madonna and the other pop culture/Hollywood ilk support her and use their pulpits to promote her.

-She is smart and won't make too many stupid gaffes.

-She is hedging her bets on the WOT already and will get cover from the MSM. We can rip & rare here but most people get their news from Oprah and Katie Couric.

-She learns from her mistakes, she won't get nailed like she did on socialized medicine again.

-She's tough as shoe leather and won't hesitate to fight dirty if she needs to. Much dirtier than an Repub could ever get away with.

-She'll "triangulate" enough to dupe people who don't really think for themselves.

The Mr. Bill factor, our beloved first black president.

After the primaries, the MSM will all but coronate her - it will be unbelievable how far they will go to support her. Think they are advocates for the Dems now, just wait.

Her supporters will crawl over ground glass to see her elected.

I could go on but...

Dislike her and work against her, but please, please don't underestimate her.

If Hitlery (No Typo) Does Win!?
A Picture (Video) is Worth a Thousand Words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FENx8bzVvq8

she cant win
The south and the west and much of the midwest are solid GOP-

so why all the angst and handwringing???

Ok, ok... assume the GOP nominee doies something totally unexpected , and flubs all three debates like Bush, and implodes with gaffes:

then what?

Hillary's coattails will still be non existent of not actually negative.

That means she will lose the congress and the senate for the democrats-remember they only have a one seat advantge in the senate now.

you think she's gonna pick up 9 seats and have a super filibuster proof majority? you are dreaming

Ha!

1. so that means the senate will be filibuster city.

and:

2. that means no liberal judges,

3. no kyoto treaty,

4. no liberal cabinet appointments,

5. no tax increases, and

6. none of this doomsday scenario the author of this piece envisions.(the 8 viles of wrath)

In fact, it will be a disaster for the democratic party-because she will be able to do nothing except executive orders-

That means in 2012 she will be blamed for accomplishing aqbsolutelky nothing, her party will be a minority in both houses-and she will be a one term debacle, and be reduced to walking around with a fake nose and glasses.

get a life-or at least find something more plausible to worry about-like killer bees migrating from Guatemala...


Nope. No sale.
Hawkins uses the word "conservative" as being analogous to "Republican", and I don't buy that analogy for one second.

Giuliani? Versus Clinton?

Frick and Frack. Minor differences on some policies, but Giuliani and Joe Lieberman are absolutely identical. Would you vote for Joe Lieberman?

Giuliani is a Democrat calling himself a Republican. As a matter of fact, he'd actually do the country more good by running as a conservative Democrat; maybe it would help to start pulling that wildly Marxist party back to true American values.

But vote for him as a Republican?

Better chance of a meteor landing in my back yard on the night I win the state Lotto.

I keep asking...
...Hillary supporters to give me a reason to vote for her. Why should a conservative even bother with her? See, if she expects to get more than 50% of the vote this election (which is more than her husband ever got), she'll need conservative, pro-American exceptionalism, pro-American victory in the War on Terror, entrepreneurial votes like mine. So far I haven't gotten an answer. Perhaps they don't believe that conservatives make up enough of a voting block to make a difference, which is a very foolish assumption.

To those who support Hillary, I once again ask a very simple question. She wants socialized health care. I ask, because perhaps you know: If she nationalizes 1/7th of the economy in such a plan, can I opt out of it and not pay money into it?

I would vote
for a woman for president but not her. What conservatives should do is go on the offense like the libs do