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Friday, August 03, 2007
John Hawkins :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Legacy Of The Daily Kos
by John Hawkins
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"I wouldn't want to be a senator or congressman. I'm able to influence politics much more effectively doing what I do. Now I can shape the national political debate. The only way I could exert more influence would be if I were president. But I'd never want that guy's job. Never." -- Markos Moulitsas Zuniga

Is Markos Moulitsas Zuniga AKA Kos really that powerful? No. But, does he have enormous sway on the Left? You bet he does.

His blog, the Daily Kos, is an enormous website that is slavishly catered to by Democratic Congressmen and senators. Among the prominent Democrats that have posted on his blog are Jimmy Carter, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi. Moreover, all three Democratic front runners for the presidency, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John Edwards, are scheduled to attend the Yearly Kos convention.

So, why is the influence and power that the Daily Kos wields in the Democratic Party so significant? Because many of the writers at the Daily Kos are extremists who promote a virulent hatred of the military, conspiracy theories, and in some cases, even violence and Fascist tactics against the people who disagree with them. That means when someone like Harry Reid writes a diary on the Daily Kos or when Hillary Clinton goes to the Yearly Kos convention, it indicates that they're comfortable associating with people who hold those sort of radical views.

Of course, you can expect Democrats to deny that the Daily Kos is a poison well of extremism, conspiracies, and anti-American sentiment. However, let's take a look at what some of the writers on that blog -- note that I said the writers, not just people leaving comments -- have had to say.

Most notoriously, the founder of the Daily Kos, Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, wrote this about American contractors who were murdered in Iraq and had their bodies desecrated,

"...I feel nothing over the death of merceneries. They aren't in Iraq because of orders, or because they are there trying to help the people make Iraq a better place. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them."

When you see that sort of hostility towards people risking their lives in Iraq from the man running the Daily Kos, is it any surprise that other diarists on that blog have penned commentary like this,

"Our sons and daughters need to realize that choosing to be a soldier means a decision to place themselves among "the damned," since no matter what they end up doing while on the field of battle, they will eventually be damned.. damned if they do and damned if they do not. Realizing that compliance with a superior's order to shoot and kill the enemy may well lead to the damnation (the self-extirpation) of one's soul. On the other hand, noncompliance will lead to that of being court-martialed." -- Populist Party

"But do I still support the individual men and women who have given so much to serve their country? No. I think they’re a bunch of idiots. I also think they’re morally retarded. Because they sign a contract that says they will kill whoever you tell me to kill. And that is morally retarded." -- AWhitneyBrown

"We need to lose this war and not start the next one so that we can remain a free people. Diminished on the world stage? Perhaps, like Great Britain was diminished when it surrendered its colonial empire. But free." -- bluedogtxn

Only three examples have been listed here because the space available in this column is somewhat limited, but these sentiments are run-of-the-mill on the Daily Kos and similar comments are made on a regular basis by other writers on the website.

Along those same lines, here's the sort of bizarre paranoia that regular readers of the Daily Kos are exposed to on a regular basis,

"If we do not wake up now and flood Congress to impeach the President and Vice President, one year from now, Daily Kos may be banned and Markos himself may be disappeared, in a federal prison somewhere.

Even as I write these words I feel like a wild-eyed nutcase. If it were not for the OH SO REAL danger this country faces in the next 15 months or so as the people in power see their own doom and are determined to prevent their expulsion from power by suspending next year's elections and declaring martial law WHEN the next 9/11 comes or events that can be construed as a national emergency to "justify" such actions, I would be holding my tongue and crossing my fingers." -- slw0606

"...Bush let North Korea get nukes in order to start an arms race in Asia. He did it so American weapons manufacturers will make money, like we do with Israel.

We need to start talking straight, people. We need to start being up front about what this is all about. We can't wait until Bush walks up and blows our brains out to call this what it is." -- Kosmo

"Was Pat Tillman killed on Cheney's or Rumsfeld's orders?

We must be ever vigilantly cynical regarding the bloodthirsty, money-hungry cut-throats in the White House because they never disappoint the rudest and crudest analysis of their active and ongoing conspiracies. The vilest imaginings of Stephen King is where these deceitful serpents dwell. Never make the mistake that you are being too cold in your analysis of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, and Rice." -- 3CCD

Now let's move from conspiracy theories to hateful extremism,

"Because filing briefs don't stop bullets, and when the ballot box fails us, we are not above seeing what's in the ammo box." -- pinche tejano

"And anyone -- Liebercrat or Republican -- who stands to oppose impeachment, conviction and removal should be tried for their role as accomplice in the sedition and treason against the United States." -- GreyHawk

"If the Democrats fail (to end the war), the only option left is revolution and foreign intervention. Tyranny is but assured because Congress cannot and will not exercise it's Constitutional power to end this fascist Coup d'etat." -- wolverine 06

Now as you read these quotes from the diarists -- again, not the commenters -- at the Daily Kos, it should bring up a number of important questions that never seem to get answered.

* Do Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, etc., agree with the sort of sentiments expressed above and if not, why do they keep associating with the people that are saying these things?

* Moreover, if Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, etc., don't agree with the sort of sentiments expressed above, why don't they speak out about it instead of lending credibility to the people making those remarks by associating with them?

* If the most powerful people in the Democratic Party can get away with associating with the sort of people writing the quotes above, is there any group or person that's out of bounds for them?

* Perhaps most importantly – and, yes, this likely explains why the above questions will never be asked -- if the Daily Kos has become the most influential liberal blog in the world, when the sort of garbage you've seen above is an important part of the blog, what does it say about the state of mainstream liberalism?

Ten years ago, a liberal website that featured diarists who thought American soldiers were "morally retarded," that called for revolution, and that speculated that the President was going to declare martial law to retain power, would have been considered to be on the farthest fringes of the Left. But, today? Those sort of comments are as mainstream as it gets. That's the legacy of the Daily Kos and of the cowardly politicians in the Democratic Party who've helped to give that blog credibility.

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Revolution?
Do these nutcases have conservative friends who'll loan them their guns?


THE GHOST OF JULIUS STREICHER
is alive and well in Markos Moulitsas Zuniga.
Just like Hitlers propagandist, the one who met his demise at the end of a rope at Nuremberg, this disgusting creep conjures up the same images as Streicher did in the 20's and 30's about Jews, Gypsies, Communists except it is about Republicans, Conservatives and all sane thinking people who do not see the vast conspiracies that he and his rabid followers see. Who have control over their individual destinies, unlike the Kos Kids, who feel the entire government is there to provide for them from the cradle to the grave.
Along with Zuniga and his minions you have their chief parrots barking out the same verbal excrement like Keith Olbermann, Al Franken, Randy Rhodes and all their ilk.
Seeing how their monopoly on the airwaves is slipping away, they are even more devoted to intimidating the idea of free thought and equal expression with their push for the so-called 'Fairness Doctrine' which as we all know, is not fair at all.
Am I surprised that Hillary, Obama and all the usual suspects are flocking to be heard in this forum?
Of course not.
As we have seen and heard in the past few weeks, the Democratic party is increasingly under the control of the nutcase element. The element who feels the world,society at large and every other element you can think of is responsible for the quality of their lives and owes them a living because they happen to be alive.
The element who believes that not only are they going to take the government share of their busiesses in taxes, now they are going to take the profits as well..
But has the atmosphere gotten that bad the dissenting party calls for the death of the President? The Death of the Vice President? The return of Tony Snows cancer?
The answer is yes.
Julius Streicher taught Zuniga very well.

FOLLOW UP
These same Kos Kids are pushing for the so-called 'Fairness Doctrine' have been tempered by the fact that Franken and Rhodes are no longer on the air anymore. When they were on the air, it was on your dollar and mine, ladies and gentlmen.
Yup, your tax dollars at work.
I had a few other comments that I had to eliminate from my previous post.
Now I see on Town Hall you are only allowed a two thousand character maximum when you write a post.
If this was the Daily Kos, I could ramble on as much as I wanted.

Hawkins, get your head out of the sand
As a die-hard liberal who has been posting on Townhall for two years (whihc I think is longer than Hawkins has been), I fail to see any difference whatsoever between much of what he posts from Kos and much of what is posted here. And no, I don't mean by liberals like me, I mean by the vast majority of conservatives who post on Townhall. This indignation about Kos is hilarious - surely, if you are going to be honest, you can see that?? Even the quotes Hawkins pulls from Kos aren't that awful, in my view. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, that's what we refer to as free speech. So Hawkins would have Kos shut down I guess and make sure that no-one who dislikes the military is allowed to voice that opinion? I rather think he is the one showing fascist tendencies...

And...
... I don't see much outrage coming from Hawkins about conservatives associating with the likes of Ann Coulter who has made herself a vast fortune from saying in public and in print (as opposed to on an internet chat thread like this) things far more outrageous than what appears on the Daily Kos. But she's a conservative so it's ok? Neither side has any monopoly on hypocrisy, and the left is by no means as pure as the driven snow. I'll admit that. But Hawkins is hitting a new low, even by his own pitiful standards, by jumping on a bandwagon started by Bill O'Reilly of all people. He should be so embarrassed that he enlists - fat chance!

Critical Bill
"As a die-hard liberal..."
"Even the quotes Hawkins pulls from Kos aren't that awful, in my view."

So, Are military personnel actually retarded? Is A. Whitney Brown being reasonable?

Is raving about "Martial Law" and suspended elections the model of a well thought out position?
Especially coming from a self-proclaimed "wild-eyed nutcase? You don't think that perhaps it's just a tad, well, paranoid?

What about Cheney or Rumsfeld ordering Pat Tillman's death? Hmmm?

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even you. And Hawkins is entitled to hold up these examples for the ridicule they so richly deserve.

Townhall convention
There are thousands of posters here with well-informed and intelligent input, from whom many politicians could learn something. Sounds good to me!

question
I don't question the quotes from kos, but did it ever occur to you that there are people who post here who are just as over the top from the right? And that there are people on the other side who are checking this site every day and saving the juicy stuff for future use? As in "see what those right wing nutjobs say"

Critical Bill:
I see you have returned to enlighten all of us conservative hypocrites!

Your comment: "Even the quotes Hawkins pulls from Kos aren't that awful, in my view."

This quote says all of what most of us need to know about how far to the extreme left your thinking is or has become. You are now so deep in the forest you couldn't find a tree if it walked up and tapped you on the shoulder!

NO. NOT AFRAID OF KOS
If anything it provides a window into the thinking of people who post there. It should be heard.
I did fail to include that in my previous post and the reason for that is because of the 2000 character limit now set by Town Hall.
I also believe that the nuts who post here on Town Hall do not represent Conservative thought- which includes listening to both sides- and is the exception rather than the norm on a smear site like The Daily Kos.
And the airwaves are a business. A business is supposed to make money for it's investors. In the end, Air America was being funded by far left fanatics who were able to write their losses off on their quaterly tax filings and in the end, with the hemmoraging of money going on over there, they couldn't keep it on the air.
As I've been saying in the past few weeks -I'm beginning to sound like a broken record now- let the Dems and Libs keep talking.
They are only helping the Conservative cause.

Critical Bill...
...I agree with you. I'm a conservative atheist (NO!! How can there be such a thing!?) who sees very little difference between the Republicans and the Democrats.

The Republican party has become nothing less than an instrument for pushing the agenda of the nutcase religious right.

The Democrat Party has become a bastion of left wing freaks (Ted Kennedy, Harry "The War Is Lost" Reid and a host of others who make Joe Lieberman look like a radical conservative.

You are absolutely right. Everyone has a right to their opinion and such opinion should be argued on the merits (or lack thereof) and not on a person's political stance.

As with the Daily Kos, Town Hall has its share of posters who come off as wileyed freaks. Freakiness, however is in the eye of the beholder. NEARLY EVERYONE thinks they are in the mainstream and everyone else is askew to some degree or another.

Churchill said it best: "There is no such thing as public opinion - only published opinion."

Vandamm
You are also correct. Neither side of the aisle is free of nutcases, stupidity and shameless hyperbole.

Bob
You wrote:

"The Republican party has become nothing less than an instrument for pushing the agenda of the nutcase religious right."

Then tell me why the Left was so ecstatic that the religious right pulled out of the last election cycle enabling the Democrats to win more seats?

Bipsy Quee
That's simple. In any election except the primaries, candidates try to appeal to a more centrist crown.

Play to your base in the primaries - move to the center in the elections.

Critical Bill and Uncle Max
If you are sincerely trying to equate TH and Kos, I assert you have actually spent little to no time on that site.

Yes, we occasionally get an over-the-type comment on here from a supposed conservative poster (almost always by a poster no one has ever seen). However, if you have noticed, that person is quickly and overwhelmingly criticized by the regular conservative posters.

On Kos, it is completely the opposite. Finding an intelligent liberal post, that isn’t dripping with spit and hatred, is about as rare as a gold nugget lying on the ground.

If you REALLY want to see the difference, log onto Kos and post a conservative point of view (hopefully, you can see the responses and respond before your username is banned).

We may criticize you, and occasionally get carried away with personal attacks, but believe me; you haven’t witnessed the true levels of vile hatred and personal attacks until you spend some time on the Kos.

Sorry...
That's "over-the-top"

Vandamm:
Re: Your 8:26 AM post to Bipsy Quee.

You're not serious, are you? Hate-mongering through conservative talk radio? When was the last time you actually listened? Or do you just rely on the stereotypical lib talking points for which Kos is infamous? If you really want to hear some hate-mongering on the radio, tune in Air America.

Oops! I forgot. Air America was such a welcome breath of fresh air, nobody listened. It has been relegated to the ash heap of history -- where it belongs.

The only thing that scares me, Pal, is that sheeple like you actually vote.

Vandamm
You are delusional!

You equate support for immigration laws as "hatred for Mexicans". You equate words or actions against violent Islamic extremists as "hatred for muslims", and you equate a desire for marriage to remain a man and woman institution as "hatred for gays".

It is impossible to have a discussion with anyone who is unable (or unwilling) to comprehend the vast difference between actual conservative views and the liberal tripe you are spewing.

come now
Hawkins seems to be writing in the sweet oblivion of the young. Either that or he is so obtuse he really doesn’t know the forum where his work is published.

Otherwise, look in the proverbial mirror. TH has plenty of examples of identical behavior to that which Hawkins describes. His entire premise borders on the worst type of hypocrisy.

Faster Pussycat
If you really "listen" to the hosts you just mentioned... and are a self-described "moderate", then it is clear the extreme left is so far from mainstream anymore there is probably no hope remaining for them.

(BTW... you "outed" yourself for what you are as soon as you mentioned Ann Coulter -- the left's favorite punching bag).

pay attention
no blog can control what goofy posters might say...but the examples in this column were from the writers, the authors!

Find me one, just one, example of a TH author saying something so delusional and hate-filled.

As for tolerating dissent, just look at the comments on this or any other column - even Reagan's recent one praising our wounded warriors...a substantial percentage of comments are from the far left.

Vandamm
I'm calling your bluff....please point me to just one article (the TH library is extremely large) in which a conservative poster stated we should kill all the gays, etc. or used, "... vicious hatemongering, including direct encouragnment to violence".

When you find one of those posts, keep reading. You will find the poster is:

A. A new poster (plant) that has never been seen on TH (and is never seen again)

B. Quickly corrected by the other conservative posters


Pussycat
You responded to the wrong poster.

However, just curious, what is the most recent "hate-mongering" statement you heard from Hannity?

I don't beleve you actually ever listen to any of these guys. Btw, Media Matters spoon-feeding you bits of a statement without any context doesn't count as "listening to Hannity".

Robert
Comparing Markos to Rush is like comparing the Sponge Bob Movie to The Godfather.

Do you have any idea just how dumb and ineffective you have to be not to make it past PFC after 4 years in the Army?

Vandamm
It is my experience (and I would guess myself to be older than you) that when one looks to be offended, one can usually find something to be offended about.

I assume from your post that you are gay. No problem with me. You are what you are and it is none of my business... so stop making it my business by bringing it up. By and large, what you deem as "hate" is just heterosexuals who have grown weary of talking about your sexuality and the "extra" rights many of your peers are advocating. You want civil unions? Fine. You just don't get to call it "marriage" under our laws. Sorry if that offends you...

Robert
"BrianR was advocating the "7 cent solution" with illegals...until he got zapped"

Not sure why you helped me prove my point, but thanks.

Robert writes:
"what a collection..."

Funny, Robert. That is the same thought that goes through my mind when you post a series of comments on these threads.

Have a nice day.

folks
It’s not a numbers game. I say freely that I prefer TH because it is monitored better, it offers a wide range of commentary and in general the threads are more civilized then other sites on both the left and the right. TH is the best. That’s why I spend my time here. Still there are similarities to what Hawkins decries and there are right wing sites that are horrendous. I do have a question. Is KOS the top liberal site? Is there a moderate site that I’ve never heard of that truly falls between the TH and KOS?

MikeR
You missed one of the main points in this article. Sure, an occasional POSTER makes an ignorant comment, but the hate-filled and ignorant comments Hawkins refrences are made by Kos COLUMNISTS.....an extremely substantial difference.

Robert
Sorry, you're wrong again.

2004 Exit Poll Results:

Protestants
Bush: 59%
Kerry: 40%

Catholic
Bush: 52%
Kerry: 47%

Jewish
Bush: 25%
Kerry: 74%

Other
Bush: 23%
Kerry: 74%

The so-called liberal boogeyman "The Religious Right" (play evil music here) doesn't have a tenth of the power you guys believe.


MikeR
I have also been looking for a site which is not biased to either far right or far left, but have not found one. Townhall is also the best I have found because most posters are reasonable and challenge those who go over the top. All you get at Kos or MoveOn is the far left mutual admiration society.

What Delirium!

Good to see that the right wing hasn't lost control of its propaganda machine entirely. I mean Bill O'Reilly gets into it with Daily Kos and then, like clockwork, another set of columns and blog posts show up attacking Kos as well. Good work.

The delirium sets in when right wingers honestly believe that Kos is somehow less rational or less realistic than TH, or the Hannity Forums, or any of the other right wing sites. They probably think that Fox News is fair and balanced too.

To paraphrase the great rabbit: "What a bunch of maroons."








If I may
I used to use this as a sig, Cna't remember where I got it.

"They say a million monkeys typing for eternity would eventually produce the works of Shakespeare: Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true."

CriticalBill...3:08 post
You said, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, that's what we refer to as free speech." In your world, who was it that won and guaranteed that right? Yup you got it, those damn "moral retards" again. Retards? [how tolerant!] I thought the Left banned that word in favor of "challenged". The liberal who used the word "retard" would be the first one to attack anyone else who used it with righteous indignation. But when in the comfort of PFC. Kos's little world with like minded leftists he can practice his hypocrisy without fear. I guess when it comes to liberals Orwell was correct,"some are more equal than others"

Pussycat.. 9:21am post
Can you define a moderate for me? Also can you name the "great moderates of history". I know for a "moderate" this will be difficult as you will have to sit on the fence and hold your moistened finger aloft to see which side you are going to take on the issue. When the side you take [if you can decide] starts to lose, as a "moderate" you can simply change your mind. By doing this you show your "ability" to be open minded, intelligent,thoughtful, able to see the nuance of an issue and prove that you have no principles at all! Just let people of principle, no matter which side of the ideological aisle they reside fight it out. Then when the battle is over you can be moderate and side with both. Sorry I have to go, must engage in evil capitalism...and besides that, Rush is coming on and I need to get my secret orders for the day when Bush and Cheney declare martial law! Will check back later. CMS out!

Vandamm
You complain about all the hatred on TH, yet I've never seen you here before. You then lie and state that the Prager column is full of posters saying "kill 'em all". I went through the posts (400+ now) and it is obvious you never even read the comments.

However, you really tipped your hand when you stated that "Posts that wer (sic) critical to such sentiments were removed." This is a blantant lie, which is easily disproven....even our regular libs know this is a false statement.



Townhall Columnists
I have only being viewing Townhall for a few months but I can honestly say that I have never read an article written by a columnist that displayed the kind of malevolence reflected in the Kos articles that Mr. Hawkins highlighted. I admit that I don't read anywhere near all of the articles.

Icedog has repeatedly pointed out that there is a huge difference between a columnist and a poster. I agree. Some of the posters here are claiming there is no difference between Daily Kos and Townhall when it comes to extremism. I am open-minded about the accusation but I am growing frustrated waiting for a quote pulled from an actual article rather than from posters. If you are making the claim that Townhall is just as extreme can you please post a quote from an actual columnist?


Daily Kos
Just went over there to look at some thier posts.
Man talk about hate-filled retoric.
Some posts talked about getting silenced by the fascist government now. Me personally I would let them post. I've I needed a good laugh I could read some of thier posts and have my fill for the day. Some were just downright silly. There were so many of them that I can't even think of one worth printing.

Roberto, you moron
If you're going to quote me then get it right.

First of all, it's the "one 12-cent bullet solution", not "7 cent bullet".

Secondly, dolt, it had nothing to do with illegals at all. Here's the link directly to my blog essay on the subject:

http://viewfromtheisland.townhall.com/g/71024440-8573-4e2a-aef5-f3d84b9fd2f7

I know you and facts only have the merest nodding acquaintance with each other, but try to be accurate in quoting people who actually read here and write the stuff you claim to "quote".

Otherwise, just like now, you'll get shown up as the fool you are.

Maybe
I wasn't balanced enough. I realize that there are posts from Conservative posters (may one or two but not as many as libs) that are just as silly and deserve a good laugh becuase of it's sillines. There that made feel better.

PS, Roberto the Moron
I don't know what you mean by saying I "got zapped". Because here I am, big as life, and my blog's still there and active.

Further proof that you don't have a clue in hell about what you're saying.

I got "zapped" only in your dreams and fantasies, numbnuts.

Thought Police
I've been to the Kos site and read the paranoid thoughts and pure hatred posted there, but never saw any dissenting posts. If true, as previously posted here, that Kos deletes all divergent posts, then Kos practices censorship. They may have the right to delete any posts they don't want, but deleting dissenting views demonstrates a high level of intolerance, elitism and fear. Their intolerance and willingness to practice censorship is historically scary and dangerous behavior. The sad fact is liberals actually believe their own propaganda, namely, people who disagree with them are hate mongers of one kind or another. Any wonder, their politicians want thought control in the form of “The Fairness Doctrine”?

Vandamm
Actually, I read quite well. I apologize if I missed a post however. Could you direct me to the post where you quoted a townhall columnist writing in a similiar vein to the Daily Kos columnist. I would not consider your general characterization of their column. I am looking for a direct quote.

Free Speech
I think Daily Kos stuff is stupid, but then again, no one is making me read it. Let liberals have their place to vent. this is exactly why we DON'T need the Fairness Doctrine.

moderates
I am curious. Where do moderates stand on taxes,abortion gay marriage,War on terror,right to bear arms?

a border and a culture
If you want to hear HATE, just listen to the Hate Bitches on the Hate America Radio Network.
==========

Islam governments have done more harm to the world than even the far left communists.

Just make a list of all things a normal reasonable government can do, and see if any item on the list, and more, is not something Islam governments do. They can kill you, tell you when you can drive, when you can watch TV, tell you what to eat, what to drink, when you can do either, women are evil and are owned by others, and on and on. A slimy government at that.

Remember how fanatical the Commies were, in this country and elsewhere, much like the Moslems most places.

I say give any Moslem in this country some choices.

* Become a real nice person (almost impossible)
* Leave this country voluntarily.
* Get thrown out by the Military

And do it right now.

Remember, a country has two things, and two things only — a border and a culture (which includes religion), if you violate either, out you go.


Vandamm
OK, we'll start with Kevin McCullough. Can you please provide the quote?

BrianR
Why don't Liberals see Kos as hateful?
Because PIGS don't know that PIGS STINK!

I'll check later
I'll check back later for the quotes. I have to make lunch for my children. As I said I am open minded about that the accusation that Townhall is just as extreme I just have not seen evidence of it and am asking for direct quotes from columnists, not posters.

ChosinMarineSon
Lincoln was a moderate and so was Washington. Each was in office during a time of powerful competing forces. Each saved the nation through moderation. Moderates are never popular because people are drawn to men of action. Subsequently is a misunderstood position. I am moderate by nature. I like to drink but I don’t like to get drunk. I am a centrist politically. I find extremism loathsome. It has the power to destroy only. It is the moderates who build.

LOL, George!
Got a point there!

Vandamm
"several stated that of course thay hate and fear people who want to kill them."

Maybe I'm a hatemonger as well, but this just seems like human nature. I certainly don't harbor too many warm fuzzies for people who want to kill me, no matter what their religion, or lack thereof.

Besides, who are we to judge. Can't we all just get along?

Show me
I'm not really from Missouri, but show me the equivalent of the right wing Kos, and I'll show you a site that none but the most long shot of republican candidates would post on, much less go to their convention.

Anyone
who says that this site is just as extreme does not know their way around the internet. I think we should let the DailyKos and various other hate sites trudge on. The more they speak the more evidence we have. They are rapidly imploding.

Vandamm
The unhinged and hate-filled poster you speak of is named "Borghe". However, the jokes on you....he is one of the most extreme liberals to post on this site.

Any other regulars here can confirm this...and of course you are free to see for yourself.

Btw, nice comeback on Elizabeth. She asked you to please provide evidence for your slander and your response is, "I'm not going to do all the work for you". You're a textbook liberal caricature.

Vandamm:
Elizabeth has asked you nicely several times now to back up your words with facts, and you have been nothing short of insulting to her... especially your comment, "Well, you don't read too good, do you." (sic)

In a fashion so typical of the whiney-butts we endure here at times... you got called out and now can't handle the "footwork" you need to put up or shut up.

I'm not nice like Elizabeth -- you're an obvious fraud that would be much more at home at the Kos.

Oh... by the way. You don't WRITE too good, son!

Compromise
The trick to compromise is knowing when to compromise and when not to. The compromise has all been one sided in recent years which is no compromise at all. That is the kind of compromise that led to the civil war. compromise because your tired is not compromise at all, it is capitulation.

Shifting Definitions
The term "moderate" means many different things to different people. In the MSM and the Left Coast a moderate is defined as Al Gore and Hillary Clinton.

Anyone who believes in the 2nd Amendment, right to life, national defense, and self-reliance is considered a "neocon" or far right extremist.

Icedog
Amen! and they do it with everything including facts and history.

Critical Bill says
"I fail to see any difference whatsoever between much of what he posts from Kos and much of what is posted here"

Could you please use some examples of things you find here on TH that come even close to the hatred of things said like American soldiers are "morally retarded"?

In the two years that you have been coming to TH you may have seen some outrageous postings, but that's far from the things posted DAILY on the Kos.

Further, you fail to understand the point of the article. This column is not a matter of free speech, it's a matter of politicians associating with a group that DAILY allows hatred and flat out lies.

Redhead
You bring up a very good point. Very few conservatives here have lost a minute of sleep worrying about Daily Kos and its delusional posters. However, what does it say about our government and our country when the Democrats can find no reason to avoid their convention?

The John Birch Society is the most extreme right-wing group I know of (note to libs: a couple nutjobs blogging in their basement does not constitute a "conservative group"), but there beliefs aren't really that unusual and don't hold a candle the extremism on the Daily Kos.

Vandamm responds:
"This website isn't really worth using a spell check is it." (sic)

It wasn't your spelling to which I was referring... but that clearly went over your head.

You are correct. This website really isn't worth your time.

I'm sure I speak for many... feel free to leave anytime, jackass!

... and have a nice day.

Vandamm
The columnists that you listed do not even come close to the DailyKos. However the fact that you can defend that kind of filth says alot about you and your character or lack there of. Furthermore attacking this site with lies is pointless. If indeed what you say is true about TH you merely justifying bad behavoir with more bad behavoir.

Vandamm
Don't ask me why, but I still can't find the "Kill all Muslims" post that are supposedly all over the Prager's article.

I also couldn't find any examples of your claim that "Opåenly racist comments happen every day and epitets like "faggot" or "n****r" are widely used."

Word of advice...wanting or hoping something to be true does not make it so.

In Defense of Town Hall, but.....
AS a regular poster of the liberal persuasion, I would like to defend TH. Though it is an internet forum, and that means it is filled with tripe for the most part, it is one of the better discussion venues available. Ihave had rational conversations here.

I don't go to liberal sites, because I want to deal with the oppopsition, not a bunch of cronies. But this site is a hell of a lot better than a Hannity forum, where anything approaching rational discussion is almost officially frowned on.

That said, there is plenty of idiocy here as well. When Kevin McCullough writes "There seems to be a pattern amongst the left and terrorists. They work together." you are clearly dealing with an idiot.

Or, you might read him as he says of Democrats "But they have an insatiable lust for the sexually depraved among us.".

But its really unimportnat. The real travesties on teh right aren't necessarily in the blogosphere. Mostly they come from right wing talk radio.

All this complaining about Daily Kos is just whining.

A Question
I've got a question for those virulent defenders of Kos:

1: Is pointing out that Islam is responsible for the majority of terrorist activity in the world today hate speech?
2: Is saying that homosexual acts are immoral and indecent hate speech?
3: Is stating that illegal immigrants should be sent back home to go through the proper procedures hate speech?

Ok, so it was really three questions.
If the answer to any of the three questions above is yes, where do you stand on the first amendment to the constitution?

On a further note:
“This website isn't really worth using a spell check is it.”
Apparently life and liberty isn’t really worth thinking about, either.

Vandamm
After looking at your prior posts and comments, it just dawned on me that you are probably a young teenager and we may accidently scare you away. We aren't trying to run you off...we just want to educate you and give you a chance to use your own brain.

You are probably the victim of liberal teachers and possibly aging hippy parents. But, all is not lost. I can honestly say, every liberal I've know has become a conservative once they had access to the information on all sides of an issue and took the time to learn

Please don't shut your eyes and your ears...I promise, knowledge will save you.

Vandamm
You lack reading comprehension. Did you catch that part about justifying bad behavoir? Just because you disagree with the opinion of the columnists does not give you the right to distort what they pen. I have been reading these guys long before there ever was a TH on the internet. What you are saying is baloney and even if it wasn't it doesn't mean that everyone on this site swallows everything they say hook, line and sinker.

So if your friends all ran off of a cliff would you follow? Sounds like it. Instead of justifying that behavoir you should reject it where ever it may be even when you agree with the idealogy behind it. There is no justification for that kind of filth.

Vandamm
You say: "I am not going to do all the work for you."

The burden of proof is usually on the accuser, but I can see that you are getting angry so I will press no further.

Vandamm
Just an FYI (and then I'm done with this issue)

I have been unable to find any other comments by "omni" on any other columns, so I can't speak on his authenticity. (TH often gets trolls)

The fact that you bring up the Coulter and "faggot" comment confirms that you heard (or were fed) a piece of misinformation. Use Google or some other non-liberal site and search "Edwards Coulter Faggot"....you will be surprised once you get the whole story.

Vandamm
Now your ignorance is really showing and you do lack serious reading comprehension since you skipped over entirely what I said. Furthermore show me where I have ever called anyone that vile name let alone condoned it. Your stereotyping and it is completely ignorant.

Vandamm
I was actually being very sincere...if you're a grown adult you have my apologies.

I'm a little curious...would you be willing to tell me your general info...age, occupation, family background, etc?....obviously nothing specific.

I have been trying to further my understanding of the liberal mind for a number of years so any info would be appreciated.

Union Dude, GWB, LoLo, etc.
Let’s say I fully support the war in Iraq, but also support federally funded embryonic stem-cell research. Maybe I’m pro gun rights, but really don’t have a problem with gay marriage…or vice versa. Would you consider me a “moderate”? If so, how am I compromising?

Holy Crap!
..WHY are you guys feeding this TROLL?

- MuscleDaddy

Vandamm
No! I said I don't see the kind of hatred here that I have seen on DailyKos and other sites, not that I haven't seen any hatred at all. Heck I have even had some of it directed at me. Your seeing only what you want to see. Address my points if you can understand them. If this site is so horrible and so much worse than Kos what in the heck are you doing here? Why are you wallowing in the mud then? Quit dodging.

You are purposely distorting Ann Coulter as most do because it is hard to refute her. she has the courage to be very blunt and say what alot people wish they had the guts to say. Her crack was actually directed at Isiah Washington. In the end he capitulated and still got fired. So much for freedom of speech in America.

Vandamm
If you truly read the entire Coulter/Edwards issue and you still feel Coulter was calling or refering to gays as "faggots" than it is obvious you do have a reading comprehension problem.

I could have saved myself a lot of time if I had known this earlier. Seriously, you should look into classes at a local community college or just do some non-political reading. Knowledge and understanding truly is power.

Karl Rove is Markos Moulitsas Zuniga!!!
A source at the Daily Kos has proof that Karl Rove created a character called "Markos Moulitsas Zuniga." What a brilliant move. Publishing a bizarre blog calling for death of American leaders, suspension of elections, and "Rumsfeld ordered the death of Pat Tillman", would so enrage the right wing of the Republican party that millions would become financially and personally engaged in the 2008 election.
Of course, no intelligent person really believes in the nonsense published on the Kos blog. The source says Rove and a handful of white, male, conservatives, meet secretly in the West Wing of the White House each day and dream up the most bizarre stories to post on the blog.
Congress should investigate the Rove connection to the Daily Kos and subpoena all White House staff and e-mails. What did Rove know and when did he know it?
The Daily Kos is another right wing attempt to embarrass thoughtful Democratic and liberal activists.

whale_eye
That does make you a moderate. However as to compromise I have no idea since I do not know your priorites and what your willing to give up to get another. Your post leaves too much out.

mr boss
LMAO! If I didn't know better I would swear you were my husband who was making that same joke last night. Don't forget to add it's Bush's fault!

ItTakesaVilliageoftheDammed
“"Life and liberty" of whom, exactly? Thew gays you call immoral creatures and whose life you declare to be "indecent"? Claims that millions of muslims are all terrorists and that their religion is a cause for persecution and discrimination (like Prager suggested: discriminating against muslims is just common sense). “

1: Life and liberty for everyone. That includes EVERYONE. Gays, Christians, John Edwards, and Corporate executives.
2: “Thew gays” have life and liberty under our current system, and will continue to have the same under most systems except those imposed by National Socialists or Islamic law. Also, read my post again. I referred to homosexual acts, not homosexuals.
3: Look up the definition of discrimination, and you may be surprised. “The act of discriminating, or distinguishing differences. The ability to make or perceive distinctions.” Most Muslims are in some way different from me. (Very few have red hair, for instance.) I would also invite you to read a few articles by Walter Williams. (a BLACK MAN!!)
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2006/09/06/whats_discrimination

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2006/09/20/whats_prejudice
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2006/09/27/discrimination_or_prejudice
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2006/10/04/discrimination,_prejudice_and_preferences


MuscleDaddy
You're right...but sometimes I can't resist. I honestly believe that inside most liberals there is a future conservative....just add knowledge and info.

At least our liberals (not the "poop and scoot" versions) have the courage to leave the Daily Kos pages to come here and somewhat try to debate us.

It's all worth it if we save just one........

LoLo
Enough said, thanks!

mr boss
You better hide...the government will be looking for you.

btw, the 9/11 conspiracies are also Rove's and Cheney's creations...."If we can make people think we have the power to control thousands of people and pull of this 148,000 part plan......" (credit to South Park)

Vandamm
What a coward you are! You cannot refute what I say so you back door comment then cut and run. No wonder your a lib. Fits perfectly. Yet you still have shown no proof of any of your accusations nor answer me directly. Congrats! You have now OD'd on Kool Aid. Call 911!

Vandamm
P.S. your making assumptions. I never said I agreed with Washington. I said I believe in his right to say it. I don't however think rehab is the answer. You really lack intellect. You think that just because someone disagree's with you however slightly they need to be sent to re-education camps. This is not Pol Pot's regime or communist Russia. Another thing lainbrain, if you have to lie, spin or distort to try and win, or in short CHEAT!, then you haven't won.

Vandamm
Please say hi to all your worthless, gay, muslim, mexican, liberal, transvestite, transsexual, bisexual, drug using, welfare, lazy, thieving family members.

(Is that what you were looking for?)

Vandamm
I never said anything about repercussions. Repercussions can mean alot of things. It is his right to disagree with you. You can legislate away but you will never force 100% of the population to agree with you. How come you can't seem to answer my other questions. You cherry pick something, distort it, then post away. No wonder you guys attack Ann. You do the same thing there as well.

Faster Pussycat
And once again you prove just how effective she is. Otherwise you would ignore her.

Vandamm
You are a moral reletivist and a coward.

VillageoftheDammed
Say "Hi" to that black sheep conservative cousin of yours, too, from me.

Icedog, we've got to be all inclusive here.

JustPlainDammed
"Hating homosexual "acts" only is one of those wordgames that have no real meaning. It's like saying "I'm not hating Jews, just hating their Jewish acts". Makes as much sense."

Does "hate the sin, but love the sinner" sound familiar? Or is that just another of those word games that you don't understand? It's in a book full of distinctions and discriminations.

I also never said anything about persecution. You do seem to have a reading comprehension problem, as well as a spelling problem. By the way, the more you read, the better your spelling and comprehension become. You should try it.

Vandamm
You have to post lies and distortions in order to bolster your argument then when you are still losing you cut and run.

Enough already!!
People like Vandemm and Borghe aren't interested in honest discussion. They count their success by the number of people they engage and the number of posts they dominate. In the meanwhile meaningful debate is lost. Forget your damn ego's and ignore these people who deliberately try to detract from this website. They bait and bait till they get people to respond and then nothing but dribble for the rest of the day!

RedHead
The coward cut and run.

What's the problem?
What's up your keister, Hawkins? You neoncon butt-kissers have your nutbags, too. Cheney has appeared on the air with nutback No. 1 -- Comedian Rush Limbaugh -- several times, if memory serves.

I thought turnabout was fair play? Oh, wait, I forgot. Republicans don't know anything about playing fair.

Stop your bitching Hawkins -- you and O'Reilly and Hannity and all the rest of you idiots.

redsand
That's my point. They are interested in anything honest at all. However I will not be accused of saying something that I did not say at all and let it go. This guy is an out an out blatant liar. He got called on it then ran like a coward.

Has TH ever
had a doctored sexual picture of the president and Sen Libermann whoch they left up for an entire year?

Faster Pussycat
First off once again your another that justifies bad behavoir with bad behavoir. Secondly, KOS will ban you not for saying something crude, they ban for disagreement. Really I have no problem with that. It's their site ban away. I just think it's highly hypocritical of people that claim freedom of speech to ban speech. They can ban all they want to, I however can openly laugh and ridicule all I want to.

Faster Pussycat
Thankyou for proving my point for me. No KOS really isn't all that effective because everyone is too busy being shocked at the filth. Quite frankly they are only one step above porn.

loco
The answer is no.

Whale_eye
That’s why I prefer the term centrist over moderate. It’s not necessarily about compromise (although the political process tends to lead to it). It’s about not having a single party line.

George W Bush: You’re discussing another matter. We all have to pay our taxes whether we like it or not. Furthermore, we have to pay even if we don’t agree with how they are spent. We do have a voice in that however small, and that is the political system. Don’t be a sore looser. You can continue to fight for what you think is right, burt you still have to cooperate or else. That’s just the way it goes. As for compromise, unless you live in complete isolation, you have to do it one way or another. A stop sign is just a metal placard at the side of the road, but most people obey it.

MikeR.. Compromise or Moderation?
I could not disagree with you more my friend. With respect, it sounds as though you are changing historical fact to fit your "moderate" point of view. Washington and Lincoln where both strong men of principle. You stated that "Each was in office during a time of powerful competing forces. Each saved the nation through moderation." That is a "moderates" answer. Actually one was trying to forge a United States and the other was trying to preserve them. Can you provide proof that Washington practiced moderation with the British or Lincoln with the CSA? Both men practiced COMPROMISE politically but only after securing victory over their opponent. There was no moderation at Antietam or Trenton. My point is that during a battle, whether it is a shooting war or an ideological one must take a strong position either for or against in order to achieve ultimate victory. Using historical refrences, how would we have used moderation when dealing with Nazism, Imperial Japan or Communism? How do we moderate or compromise with radical Islam? I am still waiting for the Islamic "moderates" to come foward and denounce the radicals. I'll be waiting a long time.

swright
Is that what passes for coherency on the left? Take your meds goofball.

Lolo
"The coward cut and run."

At least that's one liberal who practices what he preaches.


nice try
to link completely unrelated issues, GWB, but doesn't fly. Like LoLo above, you’re either dodging the question about compromise, or missing the point. You insist on keeping all issues under one umbrella, rather than separate entities. You can be, for example, a fiscal conservative/social liberal (thus a moderate), and not compromise on a single thing.

I’m not going to try to tell you that moderates don’t compromise on any issues, or that some issues aren’t related. But don’t try to tell me that if I disagree with you on 3 out of 20 issues that I’m (in the words of Rush) spineless, mushy, or wish-washy.

ChosinMarineSon
No you misunderstand. You reactions fit your name. With Lincoln, he had to stand between radicals within his own party and the opposition. The country, what was left of it, was divided over going to war and emancipation. Yes, he fought the Confederacy with grim determination, but not vindictiveness. His position on emancipation itself was moderate. The peace he offered was one of moderation.

Washington had the tenacity that held the army together and was probably the key element in our winning independence, but that is only half the story. Washington then had to contend with the peace and the building of a new nation. At that time, we were deeply divided as to what shape we would take. It went from offering Washington as king to Washington as a powerless administrator. Through it all, he showed restraint and kept contentious adversaries from destroying the fledgling nation.

Your opening statement shows the error in your thinking. You are equating being a moderate with being incapable of having strong principles. You compound this by relating to the battles but not the overall strategy. A surgeon may remove a limb to save the body, but that doesn’t make him less than a moderate. Our victory in the cold war, despite the flare-ups, has been one of moderation, not grinding combat. You see, a hammer is great for driving nails, but it’s terrible for screws or bolts. Yet we need hammers.

Otherwise, you are right about the moderates Islamic. It is shameful how the have remained silent throughout all this. All of them and especially the ones in this country, should have vehemently denounced the Islamic radicals

Faster Pussycat
"What filth? I thought the doctored photo was valid political commentary..."

And thus ended any credibility Faster Pussycat may have had here!

"Moderate" indeed...

The vast majority
however, aren't libertarian/communist, and wouldn't classify a fiscal conservative/social lib as consistent, nor Rush as a moderate. From a fringe perspective though, your points are well taken. I'll have to give some more thought as whether fiscal policy is consistently connected to all issues, but for now, I'm gone. Might check in later...

Critical Bill

.....Are you the one who posted the clip of Lieberman on his knees in front of GW's crotch on the Daily Kos Blog? .....COLOSSUS

FasterPussycat

.....How fast are you? ....do you charge by the minute? ...we are talking quickies here right? .....COLOSSUS

VanDamm
I know this thread is about burned out, but I can't stand people like Vandamm who misquote and misrepresent other people.

Vandamm states above: "Same goes with Elizabeth here: she won't see nothing wrong in Prager's rationalization of anti-muslim hatred?"

Besides being a double negative, the statement about Prager is simply slanderous. Dennis was commenting on the term "Islamaphobia" and making the point that those on the left were using it (just like Vandamm) to paint people as anti-muslim. He made it VERY clear that his use of the word refers to fear (not hatred) of and IDEOLOGY, not a hatred of muslim people. Just fear of NAZIism or Communism is not the same as hating all Germans or all Russians (back in the day). It is not a very difficult concept to understand, but this is what the left does, and Vandamm is just another example. I can't even count the number of times I've been told that I must hate Mexican's because I see an illegal immigration problem (my best friend is named Vasquez), or asked why do you hate Gays when suggest that definition Marriage should remain the union of one man and one woman. It's impossible to have a civil discussion about today's issues with those on the left. A disagreement in policy means you must hate an entire group of people. Sorry, it ain't so. But let the record stand that Prager NEVER used the term "Muslim" or "Hatred" in connection with each other.

Ann Coulter
The left hears what it wants to hear. I've read almost all of Ann's books and many of her columns. Yes, she mixes it up, but would defy anyone to show me where she is factually wrong. Look at the footnotes of her books. She has references for everything she comments on. You can call her snide or mean spirited, (you can also call her extremely bright, witty, hilarious and feisty) but you can't call her a liar.

Irony challenged kc
A few choice words from a recent liberal post complaining about how Conservatives on TH are all haters:

About everyone posting on TH: "You're all frauds."

About John Hawkins: "...so-called upright American Christian who... talks about indiscriminately bombing little Iraqi children..."

"...John Hawkins sits there on his big fat a$$... "

About Ann Coulter" ...vile nasty caricature of a woman."

About the average Republican Woman: "Typical Republican woman [a person who is vile and nasty]."

About middle Americans:"...fly-over hicks"

About American soldiers in Iraq: "commit war crimes and crimes against humanity"

Again about TH posters: "rejects."

Thank you kcincognito for thoughtfully proving how you are so much better than us because you never stoop to insults.

/sarcasm

You hicks don't even have the slightest clue what this country stands for so who the h3ll do you think you are talking about taking back "your" country?

-kcincognito aka karennkc aka incognito

Moderates = Liberals
Newsflash: Rush Limbaugh is a moderate in his politics. This is pretty easy to discern in context.

Consider the political spectrum from religious left to religious right:

On the extreme left there is the person who wants to ban all mention of the Bible, creationism, God, and teaching of traditionalism from the public classroom.

On the extreme right there might be a person who wants to teach about only creationism, the Bible, traditional ideological values, the "3 Rs", and Christian holidays in the public classroom.

In America, those would be the polar opposites (a discussion of the other kind of "extreme right", that being the ultra-libertarian, I am leaving for another time since most liberals consider social conservatives to be the "ultra-rightists" of America.

Of these two viewpoints, one is not only advocated by the Left in this country, but enforced with the threat of fascistic violence. The other position is one that I have yet to hear voiced by any leader on the right, even by Pat Robertson or the late, great Jerry Falwell. So far right is the polar opposite of standard issue Liberalism that even Robertson is moderate by comparison.

But if there were a person who espouse the latter view, they would deserve the moniker of an "ultra right-winger". Listen to Rush and you will see that he clearly holds the middle ground between these two extreme positions.

As for some posters who have defined their "centrist" bona fides...

Having some liberal views (i.e pro-abortion) and some semi-conservative views (i.e. pro watered down second amendment) does not make one a "moderate". Confused yes, moderate no.



A Pox on Both Your Houses
Sounds like they are just the lefty version of the Town Hall, with its listing of partisan hacks agruing the case to spend more of my tax dollars and our soldiers' lives in a failed war effort (all on behalf of Halliburton).

So, I ask, really, truly, what is the difference here?

Mary C.

Why the devil do I keep coming up as N/A?

KYJurisDoctor
Politicians ignore bloggers at their PERIL!

http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://OsiSpeaks.org

John Hawkins is a Blogger Fraud
You all should know that Hawkins has no real authority to comment on how the DailyKos comes across and is managed. In fact, I think he is a fraud when it comes to blogging, and managing a blog, with integrity.

Hawkins, why did you ban me from commenting on your Right Wing News website? I used to comment there for years under the name "huckupchuck." Not even your regular die-hard conservative defenders at your blog understand why you did this. I never violated any of your commenting policies. I never engaged in ad hominem attacks. I rarely, if ever, trolled or flamed. I never used profanity or obscenity. My only "sin" was being a liberal who challenged you directly and vigorously on the positions you put forward and the contradictions I noted in your arguments and in your behavior. If I ever did cross the line at times in the heat of a passionate argument, which was rare, I always owned up to it opublicly and apologized for it.

And yet, you refuse even to let me, or anyone else who has asked you, know exactly what it was that I did that was a bannable offense on your website.

I used to respect you as a blogger. But now I think of you as a small, petty, and cowardly man who is afraid even to answer a simple and honest question from me and from many others who have asked you why I was banned.

Faster Pussycat
Great BAND!

No answer?
Faster Pussycat writes: Sunday, August, 05, 2007 12:32 AM
They're just angry that dKos is more
effective than Townhall. Here's a great example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJdilZcC3g

Townhall has no answer for this.

Are you seriously suggesting that, because no Rep has mad a youtube video with every corrupt Dem to a the tune of a stupid song, they have no answer? Do you really need some kind of list? Politicians in general are corrupt, take the blinders off.

Just saw this thread
I find it absolutely hysterical that TH posters are outraged, mind you, outraged by Daily Kos. One of the most interesting phenomena to observe in human beings, singly or in groups, is the inability to see themselves as others see them. Cons who breathe heavily everytime Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity, etc. come on the air should try to pretend they are looking at the culture from a strong telescope on a distant planet.

The idea that daily Kos or any other left-leaning blog is a danger to the country while TH. con talk radio, etc. are fighting the good fight with sheer honesty and good manners is just too much to fathom.

Left Wing Blogs are death to Dem.'s!
The more the presidential candidates pay attention to the Left Wing Blogs, the fewer votes they will ever receive from middle America. Most Americans believe the hardcore Left is too radical and will lead to the end of America. When it comes time to vote, the middle of American voters will turn away from the Dem.'s out of fear that they will listen to the far out bloggers. Just wait until Queen Hilly gets the nomination and watch how fast she lies herself to the middle of the road. At least she is smart enough to realize that the middle is the only path to winning the Presidential election. The hard core Left Blogs are the best tool the Republicans have for winning the election.

RR

Hypocrisy.....
Have you heard some of the things coming off this website matey? Read what miss coulter says regularly. Also... Mercenaries who just fight for money ARE SCUM. They would be fighting for the other side for a little more money.

Daily Kos ?

I tried to read the articles/blogs on the Daily Kos, but most of the writing doesn't make sense to me.

Are these "Poetry Students" writing this stuff ? It doen't seem to be a mainstream or very significant website.

I'm not going to worry about bizarre poetry changing the outcome of the election. 99.9% of Americans wouldn't give this site a second glance.

Carlos
In your dreams.

look up "mercenary"
Civilian contractors who are building schools and reconstructing sewers in Iraq are not mercenaries. Troops enlisted under a national flag are not mercenaries. Most of the terrorists are near mercenaries, if not outright such, as they do not wear uniforms, are not attached to a particular country, and are supported by private (not gov't) money. People who desecrate the volunteer military in the US do not deserve its protections or freedoms. Go elsewhere and see how free you are and whether your individual freedoms are respected. The truth is the left is more likely to ban freedom of expression ("Fairness Doctrine")and lock up the DailyKos than the right--try free expression in Cuba or Venezuela right here in this hemisphere.
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