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Friday, July 06, 2007
John Hawkins :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Democratic Party's Stealth War On Black Americans
by John Hawkins
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If you look back through American history and find a black American being enslaved, lynched, railroaded, or persecuted, 99 times out of a hundred, you'll find a Democrat behind it. The hated and feared KKK? Throughout most of its history, it was little more than a hooded, thuggish arm of the Democratic Party.

But in the 1960s, when the Democrats’ overt racism became untenable, they switched to a strategy they've used all the way until the present day. Instead of persecuting black Americans because they thought they were inferior, they decided to "help" black Americans because they thought they were inferior. Unfortunately for black Americans, the "help" they get from the Democratic Party is almost always perversely damaging.

Democrats cooked up the great society, welfare, food stamps, and all other manner of government goodies because they said they wanted to "help" people. What was the result of that "help?" The Democrats did something that they hadn't managed to do when they enslaved black Americans, persecuted them with Jim Crow laws, or terrorized them with the Ku Klux Klan: they managed to nearly destroy the black family. According to Walter Williams,

"In 1940, the illegitimacy rate among blacks was 19 percent, in 1960, 22 percent, and today, it's 70 percent. Some argue that the state of the black family is the result of the legacy of slavery, discrimination and poverty. That has to be nonsense. A study of 1880 family structure in Philadelphia shows that three-quarters of black families were nuclear families, comprised of two parents and children. In New York City in 1925, 85 percent of kin-related black households had two parents. In fact, according to Herbert Gutman in The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom: 1750-1925, "Five in six children under the age of 6 lived with both parents."

The story is no different when it comes to education. Many black children are stuck in disastrous, failing schools. That's why it's no surprise that a majority of black Americans support school vouchers, just like the Republican Party. But, the Democratic Party, at the behest of the teachers’ unions, has worked ceaselessly to keep black children trapped in mediocre schools by killing voucher programs.

Look to black neighborhoods that are overrun with crime. In some of the worst neighborhoods, you have drug dealers on the corners, thugs breaking into houses, and people afraid to let their children play in their yards. The Republican solution to this is to get the criminals off the streets so that they can't harm innocent people. The Democratic solution is to treat the cops like bad guys, the criminals like victims, and to try to put the gangbangers and psychos back on the streets. Newsflash: black criminals mostly live in black neighborhoods and prey on black Americans. Every time a black criminal is put back into society, chances are that he's going to primarily victimize other black Americans.

Speaking of victimization, how many black Americans have lost their jobs to illegal immigrants or have money taken out of their pockets because illegals -- who aren't even supposed to be in this country -- are depressing their wages? Yet, who's sticking up for the Americans losing their jobs to illegals? Republicans. And who wants to leave the border open to millions of workers from South of the border who'll be taking jobs from American workers, including black Americans? The Democrats.

Of course, we can’t forget about abortion. Like most black Americans, the Republican Party is staunchly opposed to abortion. But, Democrats don’t see it that way – and don’t kid yourself, part of the reason why Democrats are so rabidly pro-abortion is because they believe it helps lower the number of black Americans. Today, they won’t come out and say that, but Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was never so circumspect about her motives. From La Shawn Barber, ”More controversial is Sanger’s ‘Negro Project,’ devised in 1939. The eugenicist set out to implicate black ministers and doctors in her efforts to spread her message of contraception, sterilization, and abortion in the black community. ‘The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want the word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it occurs to any of their more rebellious members,’ she wrote.”

Democrats have convinced more black women to kill their own babies via abortion than they ever managed to string up back when they hid their faces under sheets. Then there are the Left's prize programs: Affirmative Action & racial preferences. Here's what Walter Williams had to say about how these programs turn so many black college students into drop-outs by getting them into schools that are academically out of their league.

"You find the same thing at MIT. Black students in the engineering department, they score in the top 5% nationally in the quantitative portion of the SAT. However, close to 50% are on academic probation or flunking out at MIT. What's the problem? Well, the rest of the students in the engineering department are in the top 1%, which puts the black students at MIT near the bottom of the student body. So those black students who are being turned into failures at MIT, if they'd gone to engineering school at the University of Pennsylvania or Cornell, they'd be on the Dean's list.

So it's kind of like you're saying to me, ‘Walter, would you teach me how to box?’ Then, the first fight I get you is with Lennox Lewis. Now you might have the potential to be a good boxer, but you're going to get your brains beaten out before you learn to bob and weave. So, the question for black people is, ‘Do we have so many youngsters who score in the top 5% nationally that we can afford to have them turned into failures at MIT in the name of diversity and multiculturalism?’ For me, my answer is no."

When it comes to Affirmative Action in the workplace, how many black Americans really benefit from it? Very, very few. But, how many successful black Americans have their accomplishments diminished because everyone around them thinks they got to where they are because of Affirmative Action? It happens all the time. So, not only do racial preferences prevent a lot of young black Americans from succeeding, they cause people to question the legitimacy and worthiness of black Americans who have made it.

Then there are the race hustlers who make a living by convincing black Americans that they're victims and that only the Democratic Party can fix their problems. They're people like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the NAACP, and all the others who make a living by convincing black Americans to vote for the very people who are destroying them -- and they do their jobs well.

Black Americans have been voting for the Democratic Party for 40 years and they may be voting for them for another 40 years the way things are going. This is despite the fact that the worst places for black Americans in this country to live are always run by Democrats. Marion Barry can get caught smoking crack, Ray Nagin can prove to be totally incompetent during Hurricane Katrina, and William Jefferson can get caught with bribe money in his freezer, but black Americans dutifully go to the polls and vote them right back into office. Know why? Because the race hustling poverty pimps have convinced black Americans that it's better to vote for a crack addict, an incompetent, or a crook than to vote for a Republican. This has put black Americans in a position where Democrats don't take them seriously because they know they have the black vote locked up and Republicans have written off black voters because they believe that no matter what they do, black Americans won't vote for them.

Until that changes, the Democrats will keep systematically undermining black Americans with their "help" and telling them that it's for their own good, because minorities just can't make it without the help of white, liberal Democrats.

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Really good article.
Can we get it faxed to DNC headquaters?

Put in all the newspapers?

It's just too bad those who need to know this, will probably never read it and keep blaming the Republicans for the Dhimmocrats failures.

Wow!!!!
Someone ought to direct Brent "Elizabeth Edwards Favors Rage" Bozell to this nifty gem.

I'll be looking for the principled Bozell to give us some fresh examples of "ugly" and "hate" - Hawkins style.

I'm sure black Americans are ever so thankful that anti-liberal columnists are pointing out just how stupid they are.

Challenge for Hawkins: Bring back some long-dead Southern Democrats and ask them which political part they would support. Well, of course you can't bring these people back, fortunately for Hawkins, but does anyone think for one minute that these people would fall head-over-heels for the liberal Democratic Party? Well, do you? What then, what is Hawkins' point?

One final question for Hawkins: When do you plan on writing your own column? How many times do when need to read this tired baloney?

Well, now:
Are you out of your mind? How on earth would this 35-year old rehash of a column help anyone other than the Democrats? It is insulting to blacks from start to finish. I'll say it again... Wow!!!

Truth can be bitter.
This article is uncomfortable but makes sense. I’ve been doing construction work in a white poor area of Montreal for over 15 years. Young men of second generation welfare actually believe welfare is a birthright. I’m not talking about all Canadians but the ones use to that check. At twenty years old they sit around each month waiting for that check to arrive. I can get them to work but I have to accept a spoiled worker. Jobs are not that important to them, only gives them the cash for extra desires, drugs and booze. They show up late, or sometimes don’t show up at all because of that government check that comes whether they work or not. They are spoiled rotten by a so called caring system.
The hospitals are in dire straights, you have to spend hours in emergency room before you even see a doctor. Spoiled people flood the system with common colds.
The Canadians are like Mid-East Arabs in a way. A land gifted with so much natural resources they can play at life. Those who never go on welfare are hard workers and get ahead, not spoiled by the welfare candy which rots initiative. They are lucky to live next to America it gives them ambition for the extra comfort of things that a pay check brings. A little greed is a good thing. Too much of anything is no good. I’m starting to believe if it wasn’t for the ambition and creativity and desire of Americans to create goodies the world would be suffering a lot more then it is now. It is not the food America exports it is the gumption it exports and imports. America’s gumption is its biggest contribution to the human race. America has to be made aware that a government that receives and expects too much in taxes becomes as spoiled and corrupted as a second generation welfare person. When an individual family becomes rich they can only spoil themselves, a rich government can spoil and rot all.

As interesting as this article is...
Honestly, I'm to the point in this debate where, I don't care who's fault it is. Libs claim all the racist southerners went to the Republican party, and Conservatives believe that it's the Democrat social programs that are holding back African-Americans.

We can hem and haw over this stuff for many years to come and it won't change a thing. The only thing that will change the state of the African-American people are themselves. When the group as a whole decide to take responsibility for themselves and their own lives, just like many African American individuals have, then the group as a whole will progress. Until then, all we can do is encourage the few who do succeed through their own merits and support them as they pead with the rest of the group. People like La Shawn Barber should be given a megaphone, and support as she stands up against those who dislike her message.

blacks in america
the dims have taught them that self examination of their life style is not necessary. Just blame those insensitive repubs. As long as you remain on the dims plantation we will always take care of you.You obviously have no difficulty being second class citizens but we dims feel your pain. Sure this is an old rehash but the dims and the race hustlers Jackson and Sharpton aren't going to change their message. Until blacks take a hard look at their situation they will continue to be marginilized. Until the take the steps to improve their lifes situation things will only get worse. Relying on govt handouts is the eay road. Making a success of yourself is the harder and difficult choice. We on the conserv side believe this choice can be made. The dims want to keep the status quo

shhhhhhhhhhhhhh
this kinda stuff isn't supposed to be brought up...it's Top Secret Super Secret Squirrel info.

blacks?
I have never understood why the term "african-american" or for that matter any soandso-american is used in such a prominent manner. The meaning itself separates/identifies individuals from that which allows one to grow in our country, ASSIMILATION! It's about adopting the social structure of the established majority instead of rebelling against it based on propaganda used by politicians who lie to us on a daily basis. Until WE realize that this kind of manipulation continues to make slaves out of all of US, we will continue to deny ourselves true freedom. The majority of citizens in our great nation are good and generous people who work hard and put into the coffers the wealth which makes this country what it is. Unfortunately, many of those who we have placed in charge are no longer managing this wealth in our best interest. They have to keep the masses content and on the dole, it's all about control, and what better way to control someone than by giving them something for free and having them believe that they are free.

african-american
My understanding this is the invention of the rev jackson. As another attempt to instill victimization he had to come up with a quick nickname so the whole world would know who they were

Reason
"what is Hawkins' point?"

Reason, you need to get another name.

Hawkins’ point is that the current Democrat leadership does not have the best interest of the black community in mind. The fact is that Democrats are the modern-day plantation masters. It is in their best interest, maintaining control, to keep their constituents on the other side of the track. They fight against anything that would actually give blacks the tools and the opportunity to get out of poverty. Oh yeah, they talk a good game and use the race card to incite the masses, but what have they done to really help blacks? Why would anyone be against school vouchers? There can be only one explanation. Power.

Remember the days when slaves were forbidden to learn to read and own books? That would give them silly ideas, like freedom. We don't want to give blacks any ideas, do we?


Would old KKK member be Democrat Today?
If you are going to be a Racist politician today what would be my goals? It would be how to keep control over minorities, keeping them in their place, so to speak.

Methods to use in achieving goals.

Well, You can't pass obviously racist legislation, you would be bounced from power to fast, Must be more Subtle.

1. Keep minorities trapped in failing schools.

2. Make minorities depended upon my generosity.

3. De-emphasize the importance of family units, particularly fathers.

4. Use family planning to promote abortions to further erode the core family unit.

5. Make minorities believe I have only their best interests at heart.

6. Make minorities believe that only through my power they can achieve equality.

7. Never pass legislation that allows minorities to act independent of my power. i.e. school vouchers, small business incentives etc...

8. Never appoint minorities to really high profile positions like Secretary of State.

9. Find some minority dupes that I can control and are only interested in their own power to act as unofficial leaders spokesmen for for said minority.

Yea.. I think I know what party a modern racist would join.

TopGun
"When the blacks will not even listen to their own tell them, Bill Cosby, you know you are wasting your time unfortunately"

I'm afraid you are right. Many in the "black leadership" denounced Cosby.

Another 44 years of affirmative action won't change anything. Regardless of what color you are, one has to make up his or her own mind to be all he can be. Jesse Jackson can't and won't do a damn thing for you.

keeping black people in chains
While history shows that democrats have indeed been the cause of much black misery, we should be a bit slower to attribute to them a conspiracy to hold blacks down. I live midst liberals and know that they are simply lacking in insight: they typically honestly believe that their paternalistic policies are helpful, and, I would add, that in the shortest of runs, those welfare checks can be helpful and save people from calamity.

Instead of bashing democrats, I think we should gently lead them to see that their supposedly helpful policies, while doing perhaps some short-term good, will always result in long-term damage to the very people they want to help. This would be the only message that would allow us to recover the high moral ground in this debate.

Lee
New Bedford, Massachusetts

AreDNmYheaD
When KKK Grand Wizard David Duke ran for Congress in Louisiana, the Republican Party disowned him, saying he was not welcome in the party.

On the flip side, whom did the Democrat Party look to when they were seeking their Senate Majority Leader? Former klansman Robert Byrd. Enough said.

Education
I agree with everything in this article except blaming the schools for Black non-performance. It is true that there is no where near the discipline needed in these schools , which poisions the atmosphere. They are afraid to remove the 10-15 % sociopathic, red necks from the general population, to allow the others to have an even chance.

But the biggest problem is the idea that schools "give" children an education. That is a lie. No one is given an education. You "earn" an education through personal hard work.

50% of black children don't graduate high school. Half of those that do are relatively illiterate. Yet blacks want equal outcomes!!?

The reason for this is there are no honest fathers in 70% of these black childrens homes. Especially with boys, a big boot in the butt is need to keep these kids focused and doing ALL their school work.

Liberals despise discipline and strong fathers. As long as the black family is disfunctional, black children will grow up to be unemployable, violent, rednecks. And of course it is racism to criticise unemployable, violent, rednecks.

blacks today
self examination of the present situation must be avoided as too painful. If people look at their failures we will feel bad and the libs never want anyone to ever feel bad. The black power structure critisized Bill Cosby for his comments as he was "airing their dirty laundry in public for all to see". Earth to the black power structure. Those of us on the right already knew these things. It was the blacks and their lib handlers who thought your failures were under the radar. Blacks need listen tyo a new message: you can be successful. Escape the plantation the dims have trapped you on and do the hard work necessary to find success. It will be a tough slog but you can find success. The dims will never give it to you as that is contrary to their agenda of maintaining victim groups beholden to their party

lee
"they typically honestly believe that their paternalistic policies are helpful"

Cliché maybe, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I must further say, though, that the leadership at the very top of the Democrat food chain unfortunately do not have good intentions. Promoting victim hood stymies progress. Ironically, they call themselves "progressives."

RA
"But the biggest problem is the idea that schools "give" children an education. That is a lie. No one is given an education. You "earn" an education through personal hard work."

No truer words spoken. We don't hear that enough. Some of the finest students came from "bad" schools. Personally, I believe anyone who has the heart in the right place can succeed in school, in spite of bad teachers, lack of computers, class sizes and all the other liberal excuses.

Hound Dog
No argument from me. I sure wish more people could see through the libs.

Racist Republican
Southern strategy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

It looks like most of the the Racist Democrats move to the Republican Party.

Racist Republican
Southern strategy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

It looks like most of the Racist Democrats move to the Republican Party.

Dixiecrat
Dixiecrat, wake up and smell the coffee. You and all the libs have been trained to believe that the GOP has all the racists and the Dems are all for the oppressed and pure as the driven snow. Reality is that Dems like Hillary, Biden, Edwards and a host of others all have been caught using condescending, racist comments (like the N word) when they thought they were off camera. The Dems are laughing their heads off, because they have you exactly where they want you, under their thumb. There are racists on both sides, but you will never admit that, would you?

Reason, one other thing
"How many times do when need to read this tired baloney?"

You don’t have to read this baloney at all. This is a free country. No one forced you at gunpoint to read this article. Go to MoveOn. They are much more to your liking.

More Racists in the Republican Party
There are more racists in the Republican Party.

Why would blacks want to be apart of a political party that do not want them?

"The Southern strategy success began at the presidential level, gradually trickling down to statewide offices, the Senate and House, as legacy segregationist Democrats retired or switched to the GOP."

Southern strategy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Ayana
The use of generalizations is pretty much unavoidable is discussing the effects of govt. policies on the population.

example:
More whites then blacks are on welfare but black have more people on it as a percentage of the black population. This does not mean all blacks or all white are on welfare. It does mean blacks have been dis-proportionally affected by it.

So when saying welfare, a specially in the early years of it, wrecked the black family.

I believe this is a accurate statement. If I have to become so precise as to say not all black families were wrecked and not all families were on welfare. (the obvious) No one could ever have a discussion on the overall effects a govt. policy.

Dixiecrat
You have had too much koolaide dude. What party regularly puts minorities into positions of power in their administrations. HINT not the democraps.

What exactly have blacks achieved by voting monolithically with the dems?

The republicans shouldn't repeat demcrap policy with minorities. The libs policies have screwed them over enough.

Sooner or later it will start dawning on people that waiting for someone (govt.) to come solve your problems is not the answer.

Competition
Black Americans miss the best opportunity in politics: competition. Black Americans vote 90% Democrat no matter what. As a result the Democrat party doesn't have to do anything for the Black vote. The Republican party knows the this block will never vote "their way" so why bother. If this block would become a "swing" electorate then the two party's would be forced to compete for their vote and as a result get a heck of a lot more legitimate attention. As it stands the Democrats can pander to the poverty pimps in the photo ops and spend their time on other less reliable voting groups.

An interesting paradox is the two groups that vote + 90% Democrat are Jews and Blacks. That is probably the result of the difficult past and as a result a tendancy to vote as a group but I don't understand the loyality.

Ayana
“government figures show that whites not blacks make up the bulk of clients on public aid programs…democrats still walk away with the majority of black votes.”

That is a true statement, but very misleading. The number of welfare recipients are higher for whites simply because there are more whites. Here are the facts.

While blacks comprise 15% of the US population, they make up 38% of the total welfare roll. Whites make up the same percentage of the welfare roll, about 38%. However, whites comprise 80% of the population. If you pull out your calculator, you will find that blacks are five times more likely to collect welfare than whites.

Poverty has alot to do with the large percentage of blacks taking welfare. But, let’s get back to the meat of this article. Hawkins is saying that the Democrats are pulling the wool over the eyes of the black community. As you pointed out, majority of blacks still vote Democrat, although the Dems have done very little to improve the lives of blacks, and in many cases, are actually preventing blacks from upward mobility. To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, are blacks better now than they were ten years ago? For a few, yes. But, for the majority of blacks, their loyalty to the Democrat Party got them nowhere.

Racist Repubs?
Let's see... How many Blacks has ANY Democrat president ever nominated to the Supreme Court? Answer: NONE! Thurgood Marshall, nominated by Dwight Eisenhower: REPUBLICAN. Clarence Thomas, Nominated by Bush 41: REPUBLICAN. Look at the senior staff in the Clinton administrtion: White. Kerrys' senior campaign staff? White(credit where credit is due, Gore had Donna Brazille). And the "Racist" Republican George Bush apointed blacks to the two most powerful positions in government aside from the presidency: National Security advisor(Condeleza Rice) and Secretary of State(Twice: Colin Powell and later Condeleza Rice).

To my Democrat friends, If I'm wrong and missed someone, please tell me. Thanks.

Mexican by Heritage,
California Native by Birth,
Conservative by common sense,
American by the grace of God.

ayana
it is the dims who are stereotyping blacks. They are the ones who are patronizing blacks by telling them that they cannot manage life without their guidance. As I mentioned to you yesterday, claiming to be a lifelong dem is no proud achievement. It is the dems who don't want your people to succeed. Conservs cherish and value accomplishment. Why would we want to see whole groups of people fail? But then again perhaps blacks don't really object to be marginalized and taken for granted by the dims.

Leadership call.

It absolutely breaks my heart, that a brutal article like this can still be written today... and be so tragically true.

I'm sorry, Cosby, but my most sincere prayer... that some truly gifted member of the black community will come forward - and "finally" shock everyone into the realization that for things to really change, it is simply;

- Gut-check time.
- Support different leaders time.

The black community desperately needs another Martin Luther King... AND another emancipation.

But this time... from deep within.

History awaits.




Ayana
"they truly believe that blacks are lazy, drug dealers/addicts, and jailbirds...at some point, Republicans are going to have to stop using welfare as their rational and boogeyman and start looking inward, inward at your true perception of black people!"

I don't know what Republicans you are referring to, but the majority of Republicans I know don't see blacks as you described. You have a chip on your shoulder. You are criticizing whites for stereotyping blacks, but you cannot see that you are do the exact same thing.

Amen Ayana
Another book suggestion is Shame of the Nation. US education funding comes primarily from property taxes. If you live in a place where property values are high, your school has plenty of money. If not, you don't. This perpetuates wealth within families. I suspect that most of the "boot strap" advocates here would never allow their children to attend the schools to whom they're now giving pep talks. Will the school choice advocates be as gracious at preserving spaces for minority kids at the best K-12 schools as they are preserving spaces for them in colleges? The Supreme Court just said no.

After decades of fighting increases in the minimum wage, conservatives now have the audacity to point out to us that immigrant labor wouldn't be necessary if wages were higher.

Keep it up guys. The Iraq War is going great. There's no such thing as global warming. Democrats are racists. It's nice to have a place like this where you can hide from reality.

History of the Democratic Party racism
Just a reminder:

- In 1850, Democrats passed the Fugitive Slave Law, making the mere accusation of being a runaway slave reason to deny habeas corpus and legal representation (about 11% of all blacks were actually free).

- In 1854, the Kansas-Nebraska Act was passed by Democrats, allowing slaves to be imported into the territories.

- Disgusted with the passage of the Kansas-Nebraska Act, free-soilers and anti-slavery members of the Whig and Democratic parties founded the Republican Party in 1854.

- After denouncing slavery, elderly Republican Senator Charles Sumner was beaten nearly to death while he was reading in his office by Democrat Representative Preston Brooks in 1856.

- In 1858, while debating Republican Abraham Lincoln on slavery, Democrat Senator Stephen A. Douglas said, "For one, I am opposed to negro citizenship in any and every form. I believe this government was made on the white basis. I believe it was made by white men for the benefit of white men and their posterity forever, and I am in favor of confining citizenship to white men, men of European birth and descent, instead of conferring it upon negroes, Indians and other inferior races."

- In 1863, Republican President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation.

- In 1865, the 13th Amendment to the Constitution was passed, forever banning slavery in the US. It received the votes of 100% of Republicans (88 out of 88 in the House, 30 out of 30 in the Senate), while only getting 23% of the Democrat votes (16 out of 66 in the House, 3 out of 8 in the Senate).

- In 1867, the Texas Republican Party was formed...by 150 blacks and 20 whites.

- In 1868, the 14th Amendment was passed, granting the newly freed slaves equal rights. It was supported by every single voting Republican (128 of 134, 6 not voting, in the House, and 30 of 32, 2 not voting, in the Senate), but none of the 36 House Democrats nor any of the 6 Senate Democrats voted for it.

- In 1870, the 15th Amendment was passed, guaranteeing black the right to vote. Every single Republican voted for it, every single Democrat voted against it.

- In the 1872 congressional investigations, Democrats admitted forming the Ku Klux Klan as a means to fight against the spread of the Republican Party.

- Between 1870 and 1875, Republicans passed many pro-black civil rights laws, but when Democrats took strong control of the House in 1892, they repealed all the civil rights laws, allowing southern states to implement the Jim Crowe laws.

- In 1913, Democrat President Woodrow Wilson reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government. He named avowed racists like Josephus Daniels and Albert Burleson to his cabinet.

- FDR's first Supreme Court nominee was a life member of the KKK (Senator Hugo Black, Democrat from Alabama).

- In 1944, FDR selected Harry Truman to be his Vice President. Truman had joined the KKK in Kansas City in 1922.

- In 1964, the Civil Rights Act was passed, gaining the vote of only 64% of Democrats (153 for, 91 against in the House, 46 for, 21 against in the Senate), while gaining support of 80% of Republicans (136 for, 35 against in the House, 27 for, 6 against in the Senate).

- In 1972, Democrat George Wallace ran for president under a segregationist platform and won the Florida primary (won every single county in Florida, in fact). He ran again as a Democrat in 1976.

- In 1993, Democrat President William Jefferson Clinton presented the author of the "Southern Manifesto", Democrat Senator William Fullbright, the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

- The only currently elected federal official who was a Klansman is a Democrat (Robert Byrd, D-WV). He has since explained "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena.” He has never said that membership in the KKK was wrong because racism is wrong, but instead says his KKK membership was a mistake because it hurt his political ambitions.

- To this very day, Democrats continue to contend that blacks are inherently inferior. So inferior that they think that blacks require a 20 point bonus (out of 120 possible points) on their college admissions scores simply because they are black. Others feel that blacks are so stupid that they are unable to speak proper English, and must be taught in "Ebonics" in school. They continue to support an organization -- Planned Parenthood -- that was founded by a person who believed "colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated" (Margaret Sanger). Finally, Democrats continue to support an increased minimum wage, which has traditionally been imposed to forward a eugenic agenda by pricing lower skilled – read: minority – out of the workforce, forcing them to find some place else to live.

Ayana
"If the Republican Party received a larger percentage of black votes, what would the party do for black people that Democrats do not? Get rid of the welfare system all together? Then what? Accept us as equals and drop your preconceived notions and sterotypes of blacks?"

Am I talking to the wall?

Your first sentence said it all. Listen UP!! No political party will do anything for you, Democrat or Republican or Martian. In a free society, you are free to choose to succeed or fail. If you want to look to the government for help, move to China.

As to your second sentence, YES, the Republican will accept you as an equal.

BTW, you might want to join the Democrat Chairman Howard Dean's staff. He seems to shun blacks in his employment.

RE: Ayana
"BTW Are, you really did not address any of the substance of Dixiecrats response. The Republican Party CHOSE to alienate blacks!"

Ok, I'l address his lies:

1) Nearly all of the Democrats in the south were forced out of politics altogether following the passage of the Civil Rights Act. Strom Thurmond was one notable exception who, by the way, unlike your boy KKK byrd, denounced his racism, became the first post-reconstruction senator to hire a black staffer, was the primary driver behind the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday, and received numerous awards from the black community for his support and work on their behalf.

2) The Southern Strategy was a strategy to defeat the racist southern Democrats, like your boy George Wallace. It worked, and your beloved Democratic Party is STILL upset about it.

"NONE of you have addressed what I know you know, blacks thinks Republicans are racist, and Republicans have done nothing to discourage this assumation."

Uh huh. So cutting their taxes, keeping interest rates low, and giving them jobs (fyi, black income is at an all time high as is their home ownership rates today) is "nothing". Second, they've done nothing to deserve the implication except allow the Democrats' Goebels-clones in the media vomit their outright lies.

"or yes, hope for another Clinton"

Can you name JUST ONE thing that the Klinton Klux Klan did on behalf of blacks? Oh, I know, he gave the author of your beloved "Southern Manefesto" the Presidential Medal of Freedom for a lifetime of lynching blacks!

As for not getting it, look in the mirror kiddo.

Ayana
"blacks thinks Republicans are racist, and Republicans have done nothing to discourage this assumation"

We Republicans don’t vote Republican because we hate blacks. We vote Republican because we want lower taxes, less government spending, more individual freedom (it’s great to be free), less government intrusion into our lives and a belief in a strong military. Although the current administration has failed to meet many of these goals, they are the ideals we stride for.

If that is anti-black, that’s your problem. It is not my job to convince you that I am not a racist. You can think what you want. You can quit whining, ignore the few racists around you and pursue your American dream, or you can blame all the “racist honkies” for all your problems.

ayana
as long as blacks climb aboard the I am a victim 24/7 cross you will always fail as a people. It is your dim masters who have constantly played the race card. What else explains this disconnect with reality. You can deny the dims have worked full time to keep you oppressed but if they are the party of your salvation where is the progress. Blind loyalty shuts out reality. Lying to yourself about the reasons for the failure of your race won't solve the problem. But the repubs cannot save the blacks. There is nothing the party can do to wean you off the dims plantation. It is your responsibilty to take control of your lives. The repubs always welcome accomplishment and achievement. The dims honor the staus quo. But perhaps your people feel that being second class citizens is their lifes destiny. Afterall, working at the fast food restaurant and taking the bus are great measurements of accomplishment. Repubs believe you can do more. Tell where the dims have any vision of a successful future for your people

Funny
We can pontificate about the Democrat Party as the Party of the segregationist era and we can talk about Lincoln the Republican freeing the slaves. But the two party's are simply about attaining and maintaining power. Racism still exists but (thankfully) isn't as transparent as it was 40 years ago and there always will be some subtle shades of bigotry out there. I don't think any mainstream politician of either party is a proponent a racism anymore (there isn't anything to gain by it). That aside I do get tired of liberal politicians still using racism as the boogeyman to score points with American Society. Martin Luther King wanted a colorblind society, and I think we're getting close. Unfortunately there is too much power and money to be made in the politics of victimization. Until we rid ourselves of this dark aspect we're not going to live up up to MLK's dream.

RE: Hound Dog
What I find staggering is that no matter how much proof is presented that the Democratic Party is inherently racist, blacks seem to run to them in droves. Oddly, many of the policies of the Democratic Party are hated by the black community. For example, something like 70% of blacks oppose abortion, and something like 65% of blacks support school vouchers.

It seems to me that blacks, as a whole, are similar to Massachusetts voters. Go to any place where people are discussing politics in Massachusetts, and you'll hear them complaining that taxes are too high, our elected officials are incompitent, and they're getting screwed by the government. Then ask these very same people who they voted for in the last election, and if they voted at all it is virtually guaranteed they'll say "the same guy I've been voting for since I was 18 years old". It is almost as if these morons actually don't understand the simple fact that those they vote for are the ones imposing on them everything they hate.

George Orwell would be horrified at this. How could people who are diametrically opposed in nearly every way to the ideals of the voters continue to receive the votes of said voters?

In my opinion, I think it has to do with Charles Darwin being wrong about his evolution theory. We're not evolving into a more advanced species. We're devolving back to the protoplasmic goo we came from a billion years ago.

Ayana
I know we are all ganging up on you, but you brought it on yourself.

Get around a little bid. Check out the real world. The doctor’s office, the engineering firm, the bank, the university, NASA and yes, the White House. With few exceptions, blacks have equality in this country. No one is saying there are not a few obstacles, but it is a great country and a free one at that. Give it a try. We are not all racists.

As has been said by others on this message board, education is the key, not government programs. Work hard and there is no limit what a person can achieve, regardless of the color of their skin. Isn’t that what MLK died for?

Have a nice lunch.

beowulfe
I can't argue with you there.

Action
Republicans actually nominate/appoint people like Thurgod Marshall, Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, and Condoleeza Rice.

Owlgore talks a lot about global warming while he himself is likley the biggest "contributor" to the "problem", with his one-month electric bill equaling the average American's annual bill. And Bush's house in texas is very environmentally friendly.

John Edwards talks about two Americas, then clear cuts property the size of new Hampshire for his house, which is the size of Rhode Island. And he flies a hairdresser 1500 miles (using fossil fuels?) to cut his precious hair.

Michael Moore complains about discrimination, but won't hire any blacks himself.

Clinton talks about women's rights, then rapes and/or gropes every woman he sees (except maybe Janet reno, and of course Hillary). And he wanted his cabinet to "look like America", which it did, if America was comprised only of white millionaires.

Republicans shun David Duke, while Democrats welcome Robert "every bridge in W. Virginia is named after me" Byrd with open arms.

But hey, democrats, it's the thought that counts. No need to back your words up with any actions.

Ayana
"The government gave this woman another "hand up" in life, she went back to school and received a nursing degree. She bought her first house last year, and her first two children are in their first and second years of college."

I'll delay my lunch with one more post.

I am happy for you that you got a second chance and successfully raised your family. Having said that, there lies the big differnce between you and me. You believe it is the government's duty to help you and others like you. I submit to you that it is not the government's job to raise my children. If one cannot raise a family alone, then seek other options like their parents, grandparents, and other relatives. Just remember, for every government handout, there is a price tag. You lose some of your freedom to Uncle Sam. How much are you willing to give up? Be careful what you wish for.

ayana
so you keep listing your accomplishmentsas though that is a means to an end. Individuals can always accomplishmnet wonderful things. This thread is about the overall pitiful conditgion blacks as a group find themselves in thanks to the patronage of the dims and their plantations for their favored victim groups. What probably would come as a shock to your thinking is that your story is replicated millions of times in the white community. Most people come from modest backgrounds and go on to achieve great success. The dims believe they must guide you, repubs believe all individuals have the capacity to achieve. Your statements prove blind obedience to your democrat masters. The dims have too much invested in seeing continued failure in the black community, that you continue to hold on to the nonsense that it is the repubs are racist and want to see your people fail is a blind spot that only you can overcome. Perhaps you also like to see failure around you as it puts you in a better light. It is you who must rethink your view about the current social system. Obvviously at this point in time you lack the ability and courage to fully analyze today's reality

ayana
a further re-reading of your posts points out you continued bigotry against the repubs. Your masters in the dimocrat party have told you for so long that the repubs are responsible for the failed conditions facing the black community that you accept this view without question. In your case in particular you are either too stubborn to re-assess todays reality or too stupid to look beyond your own hatred of repubs. Parading your ignorance about your dim masters don't win no arguments. Are you that blind that you are incapable of seeing beyond your own success and the plight of those around hasn't been eased by the dims you hold in such high regard

Ayana
Sounds to me like you are saying that government should be a replacement for a husband and father. As a conservative I reject that. If you think that makes me a racist than I hold little hope for you.

Upper middle class/upper class whites
...particularly women, are the greatest keepers and perpetuaters of the plantation. Why? because they FEEL GOOD about themselves without any personal cost, as usual.

At one diversity training (I have to attend many of these), yet another constipated wealthy liberal presenter was providing an overview of community social work intervention since the early sixties to date. There she was, yet another "independent woman" ( with a lawyer husband she kept drawing reference to) in her Jimmy Choos lecturing us on the societally imposed plight of the black community, and how welfare abuse is a "myth".

It was BEAUTIFUL, this black man stood up an called her out. He was one of 14 sibs, said his mother absolutely had kids to get the checks, and that was the case for most of his neighborhood. His position was that the system is set up to create dependency rather than encourage excellence and his evidence was his life experience. The woman was momentarily astounded, but regrouped and recommended that the man "attempt to be more open-minded about the experiences of others". Absolutely impenetrable arrognace- I would have excpected nothing less.

Old Social Worker
I have a theory which you can maybe verify or not. It seems to me most of the programs designed to "help" blacks come from liberal whites, who associate with no blacks execpt in campaign photos, and who have no idea how things are. I'm Republican, have friends who are black, white, and brown, and am interested in listening to their life experiences.

Contrary to liberal dogma, all blacks did not grow up one way and all whites another. there are wide variations. But, i guess talking about that doesn't get votes, and empty promises do.

You're doing great Ayana
beowulfe: Byrd has renounced his Klan past. Get your facts straight. Comparing the pre-Great Society Democrats to today's Democrats is like comparing Lincoln to today's Republicans. Lincoln said "Charity toward all and malice toward none." You can't get any farther from Rush Limbaugh than that.
Perhaps a major reason that Republicans lose the black vote is because the word "deference" is not in their vocabulary. It is completely insulting to believe that the Democrats or anyone else could fool blacks into subservience. If you listened to views from sources other than this cloistered fantasyland you might be able to win their votes.

AZPhil: Yes Bush appointed Colin Powell. We'd be in a much better place today if he'd listened to him. The Cheney/Rumsfeld wing also through a party after their views prevailed (tragically for us).

Again, until you're all willing to send your kids to predominantly black schools, don't tell us it's all about personal motivation.

How Long Will They Believe The LIES!
Check how many inner city ghetto districts are represented by A Black Gongressman/Congresswoman. I know in my area, Elijah Cummings. gets re-elected by LANDSLIDE every 2 years AND NOTHING CHANGES! Murders are UP, Test Scores are down and it’s The GOP’s fault!
THIS IS CRIMINAL DEMAGOGUERY!

P.S. EXCELLENT COLUMN!

Rocker
Good argument. As soon as you run out of valid points, just yell "racist".

As far as this, "The democrats of old were racists based in the christain south." Really? I've lived down south and there were an awful lot of black churchgoing Christians (and white ones).

And the only KKK member I know of in Congress is a Democrat, so i would be careful whipping that sword out if I were you.

ayana
save us all from your self pity party. Many of us could give you examples of the impoverished backgrounds they came from, many have come from abusive households and yet have still found a way to succeed. You come from a far more fortunate background and yet have the gall to tell us of your struggle. I would relay my tale but what it prove. I do not seek sympathy nor acknowledgement that in spite of I found success. Obviously your lack of self esteem prompts your to list your accomplishments as something extraordinary. My new label for you is stupid hypocite

Azphil
black dog assured us that we had a president who was a memberr of the KKK. According to that intellectual giant, Truman was also a member of the KKK

Dance Like a Butterfly
This is a fine essay, and it should be required reading for all politicians at all levels. Unfortunately, the Democrats won't acknowledge its truth. And that's a real sadness, in that they will never change from their mushiness and wrong-headed ideas about their actions.

Beowolfe has an especially good posting; all should read it. Tora isn't far behind. And many other posters are too steeped in the Democrat fiction of life and how to control it to comment sanely . Why read the misinterpretations and ideological rants or near rants from the left on this subject? Thick-headedness seems to be a requirement of all Democrats and Liberals.

So, let's just ignore the rants---but we can continue to read sane, logical, and common-sensical opinions contrary to ours. It's the right thing to do.

For those who claim they don't know who's responsible for the black's problems: you're just up their in La-La Land with the other Liberals. We know who's mainly responsible, and it's the Democrats. Wake up and smell the roses!

Maybe you'll get stung by a bee.

Wild West
I don't know much abot Truman except that he wsa a Democrat, the 33rd president, I think from Missouri, the last good Democrat president, and the last one who didn't go to college.

As far as Black Dog goes, I've heard more intelligent things from my ACTUAL dog at home.

Cam
Byrd has renounced his past so much that he still uses the six-letter word starting with N on TV since 2000. Of course the media ignores it. Whereas Klansman David Duke, whose middle name is apparently David, was figuratively lynched by the media.

So Bush appointed Colin Powell and replaced him with Condoleeza Rice. In other words, he's never had a white SecState. Those sneaky racist Republicans! Clinton's Cabinet (aka "The White Millionaires Club" was obviously handpicked by Hillary, with Halfbright and Reno. She would only allow women in who wouldn't be groped by their boss.

Azphil
it is well documented of truman's opposition to the KKK. His partner in the clothing business was Jewish and the KKK wanted Truman to get rid of his partner in return fro their support early in his political career. Truman confronted them, refused their endorsement and went on to win elections without the KKK's blessing. Throughout the south however that was not the case. Without the KKK endorsement many dems could never get elected

This Article
Is not america a democratic republic. Yes, opposites coexist in unison to do two different things. What is a con game other than different sides not being able to prove their side or disprove the other side, while all are exploited. Welfare destroyed all families in america. As well there has always been more White americans on welfare than Black americans.
The teacher unions are corrupt! But parents are responsible for their children's learning. Most of the social programs throughout america were administered by corrupt, bias, prejudiced, persons who engaged in nepotism and cronyism. All drug dealing in america is controlled by politicians, judges, law enforcement officers, and their family, friends, and the women and men they cheat on their spouses with.
When the great philosopher Richard Pryor spoke of White america having some "New Niggers" and when White americans started hiring illegal immigrants,(who have supplied or facilitated the drug trafficing in america) nothing was said because Blacks will always be he ones most busted for possession, distribution, or use.
The "preachers" are absolute scum, just as the gods and their respective religions are scum. Lets not forget "Freemasonry". Nice effort, but you do not know what you are writing about.
Spock and Kirk are still the best examples of thinking and Malcolm X is still necessary, minus the islam crap.
OUT

Ayana
Well, I'd like to know why you don't vote Republican. A majority of blacks oppose abortion, and support school vouchers, and attend church in greater percentages than white folks. Since these seem to be Republican values, why the low voter turnout on my side?

Quite interesting to see...
how conservatives attempt to revise history here. The overt racism that defined America for blacks was not relegated exclusively to one party, but to a particular ideology. The South was dominated by conservative Democrats since the post-Civil War era. These Democrats often differed from those in the North and West - so much so that they separated and formed their own party, the Dixiecrats. These Dixiecrats later became Republicans, not because of the "welfare state", but because of their opposition to the federal enforcement of black civil rights. Here's what Ayana is saying: you can look at a 90% black preference for Democrats and use "blacks are being hoodwinked by race pimps, hustlers, charlatans and other ne'er-do-wells" as a justification, which carries its own assumptions about blacks as individuals capable of voting their own interests. Or you can say that there's something intrinsic to the current conservative movement which does not attract blacks to the GOP, even while supporting some of its tenets.

As an aside to Joesolis, Thurgood Marshall was appointed to the Supreme Court in 1967 by President Johnson. And before Madeleine Albright became Secretary of State, Bill actually offered the job to Colin Powell, who declined. And Ron Brown was Bill Clinton's appointee as Commerce Secretary. And Jocelyn Elders was his Surgeon General.

Cam and Ayana
The dribble you two post is arrogant at best. You think you understand the black community, but they will be the first to tell you that you don't. Luckily the black community is waking up to the liberal hypocrisy and stupidity. As to the distribution of tax dollars in regards to schools that depends on where and what state you live. CA passed a law a long time ago basing it on enrollment. Making generalizations will not help you here. You can make all the arguments you want for all of your hand outs, but the facts don't lie to the bottom line...they haven't helped. Might be better for ALL minorities in general to get honest about what constitutes a hand out as opposed to a hand up. Irregardless of either the simple formula that has applied across the board, ask every poor immigrant, you have to be willing to do the hard work in the first place. CARPE DIEM!

Wild West
Thanks. I should have remembered that it was truman who desegregated the military in the late '40s. Did you know that the Penatgon, finished around 1942, still has double the restroom capacity of a normal office building? They built separate restrooms based on race because the building is in Virginia.

Joe Six Pack
Lay off the six packs. The south did not become dominated by conservatives until Ronald Reagan. Quite frankly it is split, however Democrats from the South tend to be more conservative, hence the term 'blue dog' than their counterparts on the coast. Perhaps a good book on the evolution of the parties would help you.

Joe Six Pack
Another history tid bit for you. Clinton dumped Jocelyn when she would not back him up about oral sex and Monica. Bush Administration has appointed more minorities to high govt. positions than any other administration in history.

Lolo:
You're right in that I think I understand the black community, but I know that Ayana does. I would defer to her in any difference of opinion - an approach I would highly recommend to you folks.

'Sorry, there are huge discrepancies in California education spending depending on where you live.

As for hand outs, do you oppose legacy admissions and inheritance taxes lower than income taxes?

RE: Ayana
"I find it astounding that you continue to overlook the fact that Republicans purposely alienated blacks years ago..."

Uh huh. Right.

Let's imagine this were true.

It is also a fact that Democrats not only alienated blacks, but LYNCHED them, and continue, to this very day, to support people and groups that are looking to exterminate blacks.

Alienated, exterminated, alienated, exterminated...gee that's a tough choice.

Lies of Cam
"beowulfe: Byrd has renounced his Klan past. Get your facts straight."

Um, I'm sorry, but it is YOU who should get your facts straight.

Robert Byrd has NEVER stated publicly that he thought his membership in the KKK was wrong because racism is wrong. Never. Not once. He has, however, stated that his membership was a mistake because it ruined any future political ambitions of his. Facts is facts, kiddo.

"Comparing the pre-Great Society Democrats to today's Democrats is like comparing Lincoln to today's Republicans. Lincoln said "Charity toward all and malice toward none." You can't get any farther from Rush Limbaugh than that."

Ironically, study after study has concluded that the more conservative a person is, the more they give to charity.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2005/11/generosity_inde.html

"It is completely insulting to believe that the Democrats or anyone else could fool blacks into subservience."

And yet while few blacks actually believe in the views of Democrats, seeing Republican policies more favorable, they continue to vote Democrat. I blame this mostly on the DNC owned and operated mainstream media, and their lies.

Ah, more lies....
"how conservatives attempt to revise history here. The overt racism that defined America for blacks was not relegated exclusively to one party, but to a particular ideology. The South was dominated by conservative Democrats since the post-Civil War era. These Democrats often differed from those in the North and West - so much so that they separated and formed their own party, the Dixiecrats. These Dixiecrats later became Republicans"

Outside of Strom Thurmond, who received many awards for his service in the black community following his transition from racism to Republican, can you name JUST ONE MORE mainstream Republican that switch from Dixiecrat/Democrat?

Reparations for Blacks
Any reason you or Senator Kennedy have not pushed for reparations for Blacks? It is still a presidential federal decree. Persons from enenmy countries (countries america has gone to war against) have been treated to more advantages than the soldiers that fought for america. I am told my a White womam, representing a temp service recruiting at the dept of labor, that I can't work in Mississippi if I do not have a Mississippi ID. How many immigrants, legal and illegal, work without a Mississippi ID? But when you are a Black male from New Orleans, LA. everyone fears you and is allowed to be biased and prejudiced against you in all matters. As in FEMA saying that if your credit score is too high you can't be paid for personal property and automobiles lost due to federally caused flooding, but you can get a loan that you have to pay back. You are out of touch. Why hasn't George Bush, Dick Cheney, Michael Chertoff, Connie Rice, and Mr. Paulison been charged with negligent homicide and failure to perform their jobs? Until you have been a Black male in america shut up.
OUT

Six Pack
I don't recall Bull Connor or lester maddox ever becoming Republicans. Just because one guy (Strom Thurmond) did, doesn't mean everyone did.

I think Southern Democrats actually left the party over their rabid insistence on letting 10-year-olds have abortions, belittling anyone who ever picked up a Bible, and trying to confiscate every gun in America.

And by the way, a notable Republican of the 1960s was named Martin Luther King.

lies?
beowulfe: What, have you followed Byrd around to know conclusively that he's never expressed regret over his Klan past? I can specifically recall him saying that he viewed his Klan past as "a badge of shame he would wear to his grave."

The charity studies you cite equate a gift to an art museum with a gift to Habitat for Humanity. Let me know if you know of something more detailed. It's great to give to the victims of Katrina, but it would have been even better to give to the government to make sure the levies worked and that FEMA was adequately staffed.

Ayana
Well, I hope in some small way you can see that not all Republicans or conservatives are fire-breathing hatemongers. My experience is that none I know personally are, but the fringes of both parties get all the press.

Last time I was stationed overseas, I mostly hung out with four guys...two black and two white. All had good stories and made good drinking buddies:) Growing up white, i did get some new perspectives.

Statistically, though, by and large it's white Republicans and black people who go to church in larger numbers. I don't try to shove anything down anyone's throat, either. But the rabid attakcs on any displays of Christianity (flat-earth society, susperstitious fools, "Holiday Trees", etc) make ME feel second class. And any "art", even funded by my taxes, depicting Christianity negatively is just dandy with liberals.

I oppose abortion because I view it as taking a life. There are long lines of people trying to adopt kids. Now, your question about whether abortions would still happen doesn't matter. We outlaw bank robbery and murder, and they still happen, too.

I don't think Republicans stereotype ethnic groups. Maybe I'm naive, but i'm Republican and I don't do it, so maybe I just assume no one on my side does.

And you are right - I think we would have a spirited conversation in person. You seem like the type of person I could banter with and enjoy it!

Social Security
We also need to note that the current SSI system as favored and supported by Liberals subsidizes rich white women at the expense of poor black men. The life expentancy of a black man barely reaches the SSI retirement. WHen he dies, where does the governement send the money that he would have collected with a normal life span? Personal accounts with a propoerty ownership right would fix this.

AZPhil
In my experience, you are right for the most part. There may be exceptions, but those exceptions very quickly see the systems for what they are and are promptly dubbed "closed minded". Admission into the moral high ground requires ear plugs and blinders be worn!

Lolo...

"Another history tid bit for you. Clinton dumped Jocelyn when she would not back him up about oral sex and Monica...."

Oops! Jocelyn Elders was fired in 1994, which would place her firing at least a year before Bill met Monica. I remembered it, and a quick internet search verified it. I wish you wouold have done the same...

And the South was always dominated by conservatives, but by the time Reagan took office, political ideology and political parties became more closely aligned. Thus, many conservative Dems switched to the GOP, and liberal Republicans found themselves marginalized within the party (and some like Jim Jeffords, actually left).

Ayana
"Then perhaps the Republican Party should return to the Republican Party of the 1960s."

Good idea, and maybe so should the Democrats (minus Lester Maddox and George Wallace). Okay, you won't catch me defending LBJ anytime soon, but JFK lowered taxes, and guys like Hubert Humphrey were big believers in national security.

Joe
So of the black people in Clinton's cabinet, Elders was barely qualified, and he had to have Ron Brown killed. At least Bush picked black people with good resumes.

You Right-Wingers Hate Facts
beowulfe wrote on Friday, July, 06, 2007 11:39 AM
"2) The Southern Strategy was a strategy to defeat the racist southern Democrats, like your boy George Wallace.
It worked, and your beloved Democratic Party is STILL upset about it."

You idiot, the "Southern strategy" was used by the Republican party to get the Negrophobe white vote (To get the vote of people that fear and hate black people).

Slate:
"Racial polarization is no longer the reason Republicans win in the South. But for two decades, the race card was the GOP's loss leader. If not for his father's divisive 1988 campaign and Willie Horton ad, we would never have heard of George W. Bush.

In the 1970s and '80s, the GOP turned crime and welfare into racial code words, but did nothing about either underlying problem. Republicans raised the specter of racial quotas to win middle-class votes, while their agenda offered opportunity only for the wealthy."

By John Brummett:
"We have the Republican political strategy begun in the late 1960s to take cynical advantage of Southern white resentment of racial integration to build a new Republican electoral majority.

And we have these new-age discriminations against immigrants happening to be Latino. And we've taken our ancestors' hatred of persons who liked their sex differently and made our own bigoted state constitutional law out of it.

If we want to heal something - all of us, not only Alabamians - we should consider ourselves."

So True.

Thumper
Good example of what government can "accomplish". The slow transfer of money from black men to white women via Social Security. you're right; privatizing would stop that or reduce it.

Ayana
"The story I shared was one of thousands of people in this country who don't have friends, mothers, and grandmothers who could assist them. Some have to depend on some form of assistance not because they're lazy but because they want a chance of realize they're dreams but their circumstances still hold them back."

In a free society, people make choices. If one chooses not to hit the books hard in school, he won’t get a good job. If one chooses to have babies without the help of a father, that’s her right. But, don’t expect your neighbors, in the form of welfare or taxpayer-funded daycare, to bail you out. Choices have consequences.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

By these words, you are guaranteed equality under the law, life and liberty. But you are not guaranteed happiness. It says “the pursuit of happiness”. Unless you want to live under a communist form of government, it is up to each individual to pursue happiness. It is no one else’s duty to insure you happiness. But, that is exactly what you are suggesting. By your thinking, if a person encounters difficulty in life, whether it is of one’s choosing or simply bad luck, then it is the government who is responsible for saving you. And, the man with the cape is the Democrat Party. Such is the warped, socialist mindset.

dixie
Slate is ridiculous:

"Racial polarization is no longer the reason Republicans win in the South. But for two decades, the race card was the GOP's loss leader. If not for his father's divisive 1988 campaign and Willie Horton ad, we would never have heard of George W. Bush."

No one even knew Willie Horton was black until Democrats brought it up. Bush 41's point, a valid one in my opinion, was that Michael Dukakis was regularly freeing murderers to kill again, regardless of whether they were black, white, or green. The Democrats, fresh off their 525-13 electoral vote loss in 1984, had to diffuse the valid argument somehow.

See short history:

"The Bush campaign ran its own ad, "Revolving Door," which also attacked Dukakis over the weekend furlough program. While the advertisement did not mention Horton or feature his photograph, it depicted a variety of intimidating-looking men walking in and out of prison through a revolving door. The controversy escalated when Vice Presidential candidate Lloyd Bentsen and former Democratic candidate and civil rights leader Jesse Jackson called the ad racist."

But once Dukakis put on the helmet, none of this mattered anyway.





Yes, Cam, lies:
"beowulfe: What, have you followed Byrd around to know conclusively that he's never expressed regret over his Klan past? I can specifically recall him saying that he viewed his Klan past as "a badge of shame he would wear to his grave.""

Indeed. The shame of not being able to run for higher office. Here's EXACTLY what he said about WHY he sees it as a "badge of shame":

"Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena."

"The charity studies you cite equate a gift to an art museum with a gift to Habitat for Humanity."

Uh, point being? Oh, and by the way, even that "evil" Exxon/Mobile donates huge amounts to HFH.

"It's great to give to the victims of Katrina, but it would have been even better to give to the government to make sure the levies worked and that FEMA was adequately staffed."

30% of the TOTAL federal funding for the Army Corp of Engineers (the group responsible maintaining the levees) goes to maintaining just the NE levees.

Second of all, the FEMA response was just fine. FEMA, contrary to the lies of your beloved MSM, is not charged with emergency response. FEMA's charter is to clean up the mess after emergency responders are done their job. Mayor Nagin and Governor whatshername, in fact, was personally responsible for standing in the way of the emergency responders when they repeatedly declined federal assistance that was being offered ahead of the hurricane hitting shore.

If you really want to get into a debate over Katrina, I'm game, but I guarantee you won't like the result.

Dixiecrat, what an idiot
"Slate:
"Racial polarization is no longer the reason Republicans win in the South. But for two decades, the race card was the GOP's loss leader. If not for his father's divisive 1988 campaign and Willie Horton ad, we would never have heard of George W. Bush.

In the 1970s and '80s, the GOP turned crime and welfare into racial code words, but did nothing about either underlying problem. Republicans raised the specter of racial quotas to win middle-class votes, while their agenda offered opportunity only for the wealthy.""

After all, Slate is such an "unbiased" source. What next? You going to be quoting from MoveOn.org?

"And we have these new-age discriminations against immigrants happening to be Latino."

Thank you for IRREFUTABLY proving you have no argument.

There isn't a SINGLE Republican of note that is offended by immigrants -- Latino or otherwise. Republicans, unlike Democrats, abhor criminal behavior, and think that criminals ought to be punnished, not rewarded.

Say, wasn't it the '60s through the '80s where the Democrats began their crusade to free the criminals, ban the death penalty, and do everything they can to coddle criminals? You don't think that had something to do with the spike in crime during that period?

Ironically, I think it was the New York Times published a headline a year or two ago saying "As Crime Rates Fall, Incarceration Increases". Who'da thunk that tossing criminals in prison (btw, according to the FBI statistics, a full 75% of violent felons are repeat offenders) causes crime to fall, while following the advice of you twerps causes crime to rise?

You morons can't argue anything. You resort to the "yeraracist!!!" blather in order to hide the FACT that you have nothing. What is unfortunate is that there are so many morons out there that buy that garbage.

Ayana
I (mostly) agree with you. I have two friends, both white, who are atheists. (I mean, I have more than two friends, but only two who are atheist). In any event, we just sort of don't bring it up much.

However, what gets me is the all-out assault on Christianity. It is belittled no TV and in the movies constantly. Christian symbols are routinely soaked in human waste and put in museums, and worse, with OUR taxes! And if we're offended, too damm bad. But if someone complains that they had to see a Christmas tree or a Nativity scene, off to court we go to keep them from being offended. And in reverse, we can't say anything about our peace-loving muslim friends, no matter how many buildings they destroy, no matter how many people they behead, no matter how many riots they start over a cartoon or a book.

Freedom of speech is just that - I don't recoil like dracula when I see a menorah, and in return, it would be nice if someone could walk past a Santa Claus without starting a lawsuit.

Ayana
"I've made this point countless times and in response I get a cut & paste of what the Republican Party did for blacks 60 years ago."

Name just ONE thing your beloved Democrats have done for blacks...ever.

I asked you once before, and got nothing.

Here is a list of things that Republicans have done in just the past few years:

- Lowered taxes accross the board. That combined with low interest rates has amounted to the highest income, wealth, and home ownership rates in history.

- Toss criminals in prison (see the NYT healdine to the effect "Crime Down, Incarceration Up").

- Try to stem the flow of illegals driving the wages down (although only some Republicans seem to care about this one, unfortunately).

ayana
I checked and I did misread one of your statements. I am guilty of reading quickly and have been known to miss some points. Be that as it may. You have made the accusation against the repubs that don't understand blacks. I haven't found one conclusive bit of proof that backs up this accusation. It's like throwing out a charge of racism. Easy to accuse, impossible for the accused to prove to the contrary. I found it interesting you claim to find more diversity amongst libs. My experience amongst libs has shown great amounts of guilt over past sins committed generations earlier and attempts to apologize for all injustices both real and imagined against minorities from all countries. I make a guess from your posting that you are associated with a university. This being my guess I am betting that your liberal acquaintences are quick to point out all the failings of our society while comforting themselves with the knowledge they have a black friend who they can prove endlessly they are not racist and fully understand the black struggle and how they fully support it. That is probably why you claim to be a lifelong de, you don;t want to alienate your lib friends.I could be wrong, but that is my guess

May Day AYANNA
This,, if true is the end of the RACE debate.

If any minority group (asians) in this country
is succeding (asians) then all claims of race based programs being necessary are null and void.

I believe ASIANS as a group are doing well.. For all you racists out there convince me otherwise.

Ayana
“Free society huh? At what point for Republicans, does a free society extend beyond the walls of your personal belief?”

Your hatred for America is showing. Name one other country which you would rather live in. You cannot. To you, the glass is always half empty.

“So if I get knocked up in this free society, but choose to have an abortion, that should be my right?”

You want to kill off your race, have at it. We have 500,000 abortions a year. 36% of the abortions are black women, although blacks only account for 13% of the population.

“Do I have the right to marry my gay life partner without persecution from rabid republicans casting me down to damnation…”

Again, have at it. You can do it legally in some states. However, you claim to be a Christian. I don’t know what your holy book says, but from my conversations with my Christian friends, you have some explaining to do at the pearly gates, both your views on abortion and the gay lifestyle.

”And regardless of whether or not we're living in a free society, there are alot of people who do not have "choices"…. It's your black and white theory…”

Fine, make the best of the situation. Millions of people of all colors have and don’t resort to whining about how bad they have it and demanding that everyone else come to their rescue. My black and white theory? Through your eyes, everything is black and white. I don’t ever recall seeing you on message boards of any other TH articles. Mention the words “race” or “black” in the title, and you are all over it. As Armstrong Williams have say many times over, start being an American and not an African-American.

Ayana - Regarding abortion
What you don't understand or don't want to acknowledge, is that Republicans/Conservatives don't see a distinction between having an abortion and strangling your baby in its crib. Both are living human beings, and have the same right to live as you do.

In the case of the father meeting an untimely death, that is a tragedy and there have always been groups around who would assist a young mother in such a situation, if she couldn't get assistance from family members for whatever reason, or she could put the child up for adoption in a most extreme situation. Before the Government decided that it was the primary arbiter of how charity is distributed, churches handled the majority of it.

As far as anything else besides rape goes, anyone having sex should do so with the expectation that if a pregnancy occurs, they will "do the right thing", be it marry and provide a family and home for the child(ren), or allow the child to be adopted (with becoming a family being the default option, and adoption only being considered id they are either far too young, or unable to provide). And people should be more careful about who they have sex with anyway.

I'm not personally invested with the notion that two people should necessarily be virgins in their wedding bed, because that genie never was firmly closed up inside his bottle, but people (male AND female) should be CAREFUL, and be prepared to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions. Abortion is one method of abrogating true responsibility for becoming pregnant.

Rape, now, is a whole different can of worms, and there are no perfect answers. For many women, both abortion and carrying the child are emotionally scarring. I wouldn't oppose abortion in rape cases, but I would propose that it be done as soon as possible, before any awareness is developed.

As far as the article goes, from your description, it wasn't very much directed at people like you, except that you have continued to believe the Democrat propaganda that the Republican Party is a bunch of bigoted, racist, hatemongers who have no use for blacks. You described yourself, with your multiple jobs, as the type of person who DOESN'T rely on the government for everything, except child care, which I understand, if you didn't have anyone to rely on for that purpose.

What you apprently don't believe, despite people providing evidence to the contrary, is that many black people who ARE "on the dole" stay there because of the Democrat line about racist Republicans keeping them down, because "everyone knows that all the business people are Republican, so you might as well not even try to find a job, right?". YOU told us that you didn't do that, but THERE ARE many people out there who ARE doing that, and once a child has grown up in that kind of household, the likelihood of them breaking the cycle of dependence on the Government is a whole lot lower than the children of someone who just uses assistance to help while you also help yourself (like you did).


Ayana
"blacks have entered the professional workforce with a bang. Increasingly blacks have shown high apptitude for science, music, politics, medicine, film, and especially sports."

So, what is your point? Are blacks an oppressed group or not? You can't seem to make up your mind. Do you believe blacks need special treatment via affirmative action or do you think they will do just fine with their talent? Conservatives believe the latter. Liberals don't think blacks can compete on an equal basis.

ayana
other than reference some vague memo. Provide some hard numbers. Does this mean we can expect to see a bang in the number of those receiving welfare and other govt. assistance. BTW an increase in the number of foreclsures was related to the substandard loans written in the past few years by mort. compoanies. There were many mortgages given to people with no down payment and a very low interest rate that would rise after five years. These were contractual arrangements and had nothing to do with the president.

Another liberal Christian
beowulfe: Nice work on completely twisting Byrd's contrition into a cynical ploy. Read The Tipping Point. It explains how New York's crime wave was stopped by painting over grafitti and stopping subway fare evasion. Not much tough guy stuff there. "FEMA response was just fine"? I hope your candidates grab on to that one.

AZPhil: Count me in as a liberal Christian as well. (This place is crawling with them.) You're overstating the Christian persecution quite a little. We're supposed to take the persecuted Christians at their word but the blacks are just supposed to suck it up and persevere. Has anyone ever interfered with the practice of your religion in your home or place of worship? Me neither. I imagine that God is far more bothered by a self-proclaimed "devout Christian" lying his country into a bogus war than some punk artist trying to be controversial. Most Christian leaders are.

scooter: Read the studies on the unwilling immigrant. Korean students score among the highest in the world. But the decendents of those brought to Japan after WWII score very low.

Not even convincing lies, kiddo
"During a time of war. Well our soldiers may be dying because of lack of appropriate body armor but at least ya got an extra nickle in your pocket, you ole Christian soldier you!"

All based upon the lies vomited by your sinister wing media that based their patently dishonest reporting on some soldiers who are not in combat positions that don't have armoured humvees. Yeah, good one.

And are you trying to deny that more money in one's pocket isn't a good thing?

"BTW, the foreclosure rate has climbed like 17% since Bush's time in office."

See, like I said, you can't even tell a convincing lie:

http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN14458091120070614

"The MBA said the rate of loans entering foreclosure was 0.58 percent on a seasonally adjusted basis"

So 0.58% is "like 17%"? God, anyone who buys your garbage is beyond stupid.

"BTW, your great grandkids are going to pay for those tax breaks eventually."

How, EXACTLY, does one pay for a tax cut, kiddo?

"If you earned 200k but still have debt that quadruples that amount, you're not in good shape economically, sweetie!"

Now wouldn't it be nice if that was actually what happened. Newsflash: reality constitutes what is ACTUALLY real, not what your DNC masters have commanded you to think is real.

Our national debt, as a percentage of the GDP, isn't appreciably different than it was before "[my] economically liberal fearless leader", sweetie!

"Is that due to the work of the cross dressing, pro-choice, RINO mayor your ilk will never nominate?"

So now that you've run out of lies to puke, you're left with "yer ghey"?

"Because besides hispanics, blacks will work the low wage jobs whites are overqualified to work?"

You said it, not me, kiddo.

By the way, can't you even LIE and concoct JUST ONE thing your beloved Democrats have EVER done to benefit blacks?

Seriously, you're pathetic. You really are.

Ayana
Ayana,, sorry about the misspelling.

Blacks are no more or less oppressed than other minorities. ASIANS have far higher #'s and %'s in the professional workforce compared to thier overall population than Blacks or even Whites.
They did not get this way because of any racial preferences or programs.

Join me in wondering why Blacks, Whites, ect... all other races trail ASIANS in this country. Let me give you a clue- it's not the ASIANS discriminating against us,, second clue it has to do with hard work. I want to be like you and blame the ASIANS for whatever ails I or White people have but i'm a chicken.

PS ASIANS do vote in higher #'s for DEMS,,, as a block 90% no,,, not even close. Do they have race peddelers (AL and Jessie),, not even close,, thus when they are demo's (not looking at race i'm listenin).

Join me Ayana,, Race based anything is useless

Ayana
"Asian Americans overwhelmingly VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS"

Do you have numbers to back up your statement or is it just your feeling? It is a natural gift of liberals. They can feel things without any concrete evidence. Dumb conservatives have to rely on facts to prove their point.

Eukonidor
"Before the Government decided that it was the primary arbiter of how charity is distributed, churches handled the majority of it."

That's another conservative view designed to conform to their world outlook rather than the facts. If all kids were taken care of, why did the prophet Isaiah have to write the following around 3,000 years ago? "Your leaders are rebels, companions of thieves; they all love bribes and chase after gifts. They do not defend the cause of the fatherless; the widow's case does not come before them." (1:23, a great argument for campaign finance reform)

Did Ayana say she believed that all Republicans are "bigoted, racist hatemongers"? Has anyone said that? The only generalities I see on this site come from the right, e.g. ALL liberals are atheist.

Cam, are you capable?
Are you capable of uttering a truth?

"beowulfe: Nice work on completely twisting Byrd's contrition into a cynical ploy."

Twisting words? Exactly WHICH word did I twist? He has REPEATEDLY stated his membership in the KKK was a mistake because he wouldn't be able to run for president. I gave you the ENTIRE quote of him repeating it. Here it is again (get your mommy to explain the multisylable words if you get confuse):

"Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena."

You show me where Byrd even IMPLIED his membership was wrong because racism is wrong, keeping in mind, of course, that he wasn't just another dues-paying member, but a high ranking official in the Klan, and that TO THIS VERY DAY he publicly describes people with the "n-bomb".

It is seriously staggering that you will go to any length to defend an IRREFUTABLE and UNAPOLOGETIC racist, but I bet you're the type of person that continues to scream about how much of a racist Strom Thurmond was even though UNLIKE KKK Byrd, Thurmond was never a member of the Klan (let alone a high ranking official) and worked hard to forward black equality, including endorsing racial integration (even enrolling his daughter in a integrated public school when he could have just as easily sent her to an all-white private school), hired black staffers (was the first post-reconstuction senator to do so), reauthorized the Voting Rights Act, and was a primary driveer for the MLK national holiday.

CAM
Cam,,,

The note that 2nd 3rd generation KOREANs do worse than the first in JAPAN after WW2 mean what?

For our example in America what we need to do is figure out how ASIANS whatever generation they are,, are doing so well vs. all the rest of us..

A comment by yourself and Ayana throwing Racism out the window is a good start.

Ayana
I must go home now. Oh, did I tell you that I live in an apartment building with 90% blacks? Most are quite successful if I might say. And, they are mostly Uncle Toms. You know, the Clarence Thomas type.

Have a good weekend.

What have we done?
"But what about the people who truly need a leg up in life? Do we continue with the Republican mantra of lumping all recipients in the same large basket?"

As opposed to the Democrat view of sending them all to concentration camps for extermination? (Hey, that's as accurate as your blather, kiddo.)

Most Republicans are smart enough to realize that there are those who REALLY DO need help, but they are also smart enough to realize that today 99% of those recieving "free stuff" do so out of convenience or because of their own irresponsible behavior.

"Free stuff" should NEVER be granted to the lazy, and should not be granted because certain people are habitually irresponsible. Minimizing the consequences of folly only maximizes the amount of folly. That is a notion 99.99% of Democrats are too stupid to comprehend.

"And what have Republicans done (I'm going to throw if you mention tax cuts) to transition poor government dependent people to success self reliant citizens."

Welfare Reform ring a bell? Oh, wait, that doesn't count because that would debunk your entire notion that "Republicans hate poor people".

"Because it seems that if social programs are the cause of your woes, why hasn't your party stopped government programs all together?"

At what point have the Republicans had the power to do so? Keep in mind that your fellow Democrats have conveniently made the "free stuff" programs non-discretionary spending, meaning it would take an act of congress to STOP them, of which at no point have Republicans had enough votes to thwart the filibuster that the Democrats would put up (see the attempt at Social Security Reform as proof of this).

I ask one more time: Name JUST ONE thing Democrats have EVER done to help blacks.

"badge of shame"
I'd be interested in if Ayana accepts Byrd's "badge of shame" comment as sufficiently contrite.

I don't scream about Strom Thurmond or much else. I'm white and male but not angry.

AALDEF polls
Ayana, if you read the links you posted concerning the voting habits of Asian-Americans, you'd realize that poll is a sham. (The AisanWeek.com link draws its conclusion from the AALDEF poll.) The AALDEF only polled those who live in cities in NY, NJ, MA, MI, IL, PA, RI, and VA, so it is OBVIOUS they were intentionally biasing the results to favor Democrats.

However, I don't doubt that Asians are, by-and-large, Democratic voters. That, though, does not take away from the fact that the poll is highly flawed and obviously biased to produce a certain result.

So tell us.
"THANK YOU!!! Yet they still don't get why blacks vote for Democrats. HILAROUS!"

Tell us why YOU vote Democrat. Can you come up with EVEN ONE policy of Democrats that you agree with? You've already stated you are not pro-abortion (most blacks are not), so you are diametrically opposed to Democrats on that issue. Can you come up with one issue that you agree with Democrats on?

scooter
The studies of involuntary Korean immigrants in Japan, US blacks, and some others all show a pattern low morale and resulting poor academic performance.

Check out my blog
I have written a few times on the issues of race in politics, and I must say that I agree with the author.

I learned long ago that the Democrat Party was the one that supported slavery, Jim Crow, "seperate but equal", and opposed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts, and fought tooth and nail to prevent the integration of schools. Their history speaks for itself.

The modern Democratic Party has done nothing to help us find a fair place in this world; in fact the Democrat's help has been nothing but harm. The Great Society was the opening gambit in a war that has decimated the Black family, by making Uncle Sam the bread winner and negating the need for a stable family. Affirmative action programs make evry one of our accomplishments suspect becasue people wonder if we got where we were on merit--or if it was one of Unle Sam's gifts to us.

I have long been tired of the Democrats looking down on us and treating us like we need their help to succeed. Their very attitudes towards us lets us know that in their eyes, we are inferior--we are not capable of succeeding in this world without them "leveling" the playing field, which usually means that standards are LOWERED so that we poor, ignorant Nigras have a chance to suceed. And they claim this is helping us?

The dependence on the government that Ayana exhibits is modern day slavery; nothing more, nothing less. When Uncle Sam starts "giving" you food stamps, Medicare/Medicaid, welfare benefits, Section 8 housing, etc. they own your Black @ss. They tell you what food to buy, where to live, who can live with you...the list is endless; and it's the same type of situation that our forebears were in on plantations.

And politically, the situation is even worse. The Democrats come around at election time and pretend to care about us, to feel our pain, to understand our struggles. They fall into our pulpits and preach the gospel of Democratic social justice, and damn near weep as they ask us to come vote for them. And so we do, in droves, and then *POOF* they're gone! Gone back to Washington to do the bidding of those groups that will hold their feet to the fire to uphold their campaign promises, the goups that actually make them WORK to get their votes. They don't respect us, because when you get down to brass tacks it's just like the old saying: Why by the cow, when you can get the milk for free?

We, black voters, have often been compared to the mistress of a married man, but that no longer applies. At least the mistress has some hope, however vain, of winning the object of her affections. No, the black vote is no longer a mistress, but a prostitute. We allow Rev.'s Sharpton and Jackson to p*mp us out evey four years--the Democrats get the votes, and the p*mps get the cash. And the prostitute? Well, she just gets screwed!!

Check out my blog
I have written a few times on the issues of race in politics, and I must say that I agree with the author.

I learned long ago that the Democrat Party was the one that supported slavery, Jim Crow, "seperate but equal", and opposed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts, and fought tooth and nail to prevent the integration of schools. Their history speaks for itself.

The modern Democratic Party has done nothing to help us find a fair place in this world; in fact the Democrat's help has been nothing but harm. The Great Society was the opening gambit in a war that has decimated the Black family, by making Uncle Sam the bread winner and negating the need for a stable family. Affirmative action programs make evry one of our accomplishments suspect becasue people wonder if we got where we were on merit--or if it was one of Unle Sam's gifts to us.

I have long been tired of the Democrats looking down on us and treating us like we need their help to succeed. Their very attitudes towards us lets us know that in their eyes, we are inferior--we are not capable of succeeding in this world without them "leveling" the playing field, which usually means that standards are LOWERED so that we poor, ignorant Nigras have a chance to suceed. And they claim this is helping us?

The dependence on the government that Ayana exhibits is modern day slavery; nothing more, nothing less. When Uncle Sam starts "giving" you food stamps, Medicare/Medicaid, welfare benefits, Section 8 housing, etc. they own your Black @ss. They tell you what food to buy, where to live, who can live with you...the list is endless; and it's the same type of situation that our forebears were in on plantations.

And politically, the situation is even worse. The Democrats come around at election time and pretend to care about us, to feel our pain, to understand our struggles. They fall into our pulpits and preach the gospel of Democratic social justice, and damn near weep as they ask us to come vote for them. And so we do, in droves, and then *POOF* they're gone! Gone back to Washington to do the bidding of those groups that will hold their feet to the fire to uphold their campaign promises, the goups that actually make them WORK to get their votes. They don't respect us, because when you get down to brass tacks it's just like the old saying: Why by the cow, when you can get the milk for free?

We, black voters, have often been compared to the mistress of a married man, but that no longer applies. At least the mistress has some hope, however vain, of winning the object of her affections. No, the black vote is no longer a mistress, but a prostitute. We allow Rev.'s Sharpton and Jackson to p*mp us out evey four years--the Democrats get the votes, and the p*mps get the cash. And the prostitute? Well, she just gets screwed!!

respect?
I seem to recall Colin Powell making two key speeches at the last two Republican conventions. But when it came to invading Iraq, his opinion was largely ignored despite the fact he was in the greatest position to make the right choice. And, as noted above, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and others threw a party to celebrate their victory over his views.

flagwaver
the main problem I saw with the myriad of civl rights bills was a lack of built in accountability. There is basically nothing wrong with helping people better their lives. But giving handouts undermines the process. In hindsight you can always find the flaws but the old road is oaved so to speak with good intentions. The media and white lib creation of jesse jackson as the spokesman had to be about the biggest insul;t perpetrated upon the blacks. If whites were told that person x was their spokesman we would challenge that idea as ludicrous yet the media continued to portray jackson as some type of offical speaker for blacks. Jackson further made the problem worse by becoming nothing more than a highly paid shill who voiced dem platitudes but lacked any credibility and worse voiced a message of victimization. There are those who think that if the repubs make a better deal, essentially an updated gift of 40 acres and a mule that blacks will leave the dems in huge numbers to support the repubs. This is no more than a pipedream. What the blacks need in my humble opinion is several MLK types who can verbalize a new message that will resound within the community, one that addresses the negative factors facing the black community and how to overcome the pervasive hopelessness. It won;t be easy for anyone or any group to change things in a short span of time but the first steps need to be addressed. I realize I may sound a bit presumptuous being white, but the solutions must come from within the black community. Speakers such as Bill Cosby and Michael Steele have made the clarion call. Please act and stop the situation from worstening

Ayana
"Well you certainly put me in my place. I'm going to look over that link you provided to support this claim and I'll get right back to ya, KIDDO!"

And this coming from the same liar that claimed the forclosure rate was "like 17%" when, in actuality is is 0.58%, and then later extolled another for not using Google. I guess we can add "hyprocrite" to your list of accolades.


"And what was the name of the President you signed the welfare reform bill entitled Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996?"

Oh, now you want to go THERE, huh? Gee, how many times did he veto it, kiddo? How many times did his polsters tell him that signing it would be a political boon?

Clinton was FORCED to sign it because the REPUBLICAN congress wouldn't let it die.

I suppose next you'll be crediting Clinton with the Denver Broncos finally winning a Super Bowl because after all, he was president when they finally did it.

"those who remain are more likely to be “unemployable” due to drug addiction, or physical or mental handicaps."

The 4 characteristics most common among those below the poverty line are single parenthood (70% of single mothers live below the poverty line), drug and/or alcohol addiction, criminal behavior, and mental handicaps. All but one of those characteristics represents irresponsible behavior. You were asking for a web link, yet you right there all but admitted my assertion was true?

"I've already answered this question. Boy, reading comprehension is completely lacking around here.."

It would help if you actually offered an answer, kiddo. "I hate Republicans cuz Doctor Dean told me to hate them" does not constitute a policy...at least for anyone whose IQ exceeds room temperature.

Wait, perhaps that's your problem?

ban the trump card
`Good comments Flag. I divide this whole mess into two groups: good attitudes and bad. The race card only screws up the game of life. I don't care what color or background your are; if you behave like a friend...you are.

Three strikes
The folks at Townhall apparently fancy themselves to be historians. And, they're suffering from a severe case of rock-solid constituency-envy.

To actually argue that today's Democratic Party is in some way related to the Democratic Party of 1955 and 1855 is plainly ridiculous. No historian, conservative or liberal, would ever support that insane assertion. They would tell you that neither party is what it used to be. That doesn't mean that they think the Repub party is now overrun with racists because they used to be the party of Lincoln. It's a simple point of fact: neither party is as it used to be.

Here's the thing. Pin down anyone who remembers the old Southern Democratic Party first-hand. Ask them if we're talking about the same party. Conservatives have (correctly) hammered home the idea that today's Democratic Party is decidedly liberal. They also (correctly) hammer home the idea that today's Republican Party is decidedly conservative. Flash back to 1955. What were those agitators for black equality called? Wait for it... Liberals. What were the people who were fighting against civil rights legislation called? Yes. Conservatives. How is it that conservatives, who are by and large smart people, are so oblivious to the fact that the more they trumpet their conservativism the more they lose support from those who have good reason to associate that word with racism?

For those interested in history: What event in 1958 set off the dominos toward eventual passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act? The liberal landslide in the Senate that swelled the Democratic majority from two to over thirty. Just like that, the conservative Democratic majority became something else entirely. Without that election: no 1964 Civil Rights Act. Where did all those new Senators come from? Hint: Not from today's solid Republican (and still conservative) South.

The idea that liberal Northern Democrats decided to fight conservative Southern Democrats for control over the lives of blacks - as Hawkins stupidly argues, is beyond ridiculous. It doesn't make a lick of sense, and it never happened.

Three things that hurt the Repub Party in the eyes of black voters beginning in 1964: The Repub Party decided to nominate an opponent of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to go against its biggest champion. Strike one! Boy, what an insanely stupid move that was.

Ronald Reagan, against the advice of his advisors, thought it would be neat to kick of his southern strategy in Philadelphia, Mississippi. Surprise! Surprise! the South started to solidify again - back to the conservative party. Strike two!

The more conservative the Repub Party drifts, (and the more loudly they do it) the more they drift away from black voters who don't have too much affection for the word "conservative." Do you blame them? That's the strike three that keeps giving!

Modern Democrat Party?
The Democrat Party no longer exists.
"Democrat" has morphed into simply another euphemism for Communist.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44701


Ayana
"The link you provided: http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN14458091120070614

Says page not founded. Idiot!"

http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN1445809120070614

Cut and paste error, read it and weap. You're STILL a liar.

"Good you're hopeless. Bush has done almost nothing to reduce HUD’s damage to America...."

Blah blah blah. Still doesn't change the fact that you're "like" a liar, and that blacks still have the highest home ownership rates in history under Bush.

"Debt destroys U.S. sovereignty, because the American economy now depends on the actions of foreign governments."

So I guess I was right when I implied you may have an IQ below room temperature.

Point in fact, our debt doesn't depend on the actions of other nations one bit. They've already given us their money in exchange for pieces of paper that one day MIGHT be worth something. In fact, one could argue that because so many nations are throwing money our way for these pieces of paper, that means they have confidence in our ability to make good on those pieces of paper. If China, et al, has confidence in us, why not you?

That doesn't even get into the issue of the fact that half of our reported national debt is phony debt to begin with. There are two components to our "national debt": debt held by the public and intragovernmental holdings. Intragovernmental holdings are simply accounting gimmicks to make the numbers turn out (and are accounting gimmicks our nations corporations are prohibited from using). It isn't even POSSIBLE to pay off intragovernmental holdings because of the way the accounting works.

For example, imagine the Department of Education ends up not spending $10 billion they were authorized by congress. Federal accounting standards mandates that $10 billion be given back to the Treasury in the form of a "loan" (i.e. the Dept. of Ed. "loans" the Dept. of Treasury $10 billion). This adds $10 billion to the intragovernmental holdings line of the national debt.

Now imagine that the Department of Defense needs an additional $10 billion for emergency spending. The Treasury Department then gives the DoD a $10 billion (the same $10 billion returned by the Dept. of Ed.) loan -- another $10 billion added to the intragovernmental holdings.

It ain't real debt.

In fact, if you look at the national debt history, in the years where we were running "surpluses" during the Clinton years, our debt continued to grow. Now why is that? Because the act of running a surplus, due to the cheesey federal accounting, causes more debt to be created because all that "extra" money is accounted for with promisary notes (read: loans) held by the Treasury Department.

Sorry, government accounting non sequitur.

"China and other foreign government creditors could in essence wage economic war against us simply by dumping their huge holdings of U.S. dollars, driving the value of those dollars sharply downward and severely damaging our economy."

Were they to try that, they would be hurting more than we. Here are some reasons why:

- The Chinese yuan is indexed to the dollar. As the dollar falls, so falls the yuan.
- The Chinese have massive investments within the United States, and if our economy fails, those investments will fail.
- The United States is the #1 trading partner of China (actually, since the US consumes so much, there are a TON of countries that can call us their #1 trading partner). If we can't afford to buy their goodies, they are hurt.

"Add up your own current net worth, and your own debts, and ask yourself: would you consider yourself to be in a deep financial crisis if your total debt was 75% of your wealth?"

Uh, no. Many people hold far more debt than wealth, particularly when they are young and just bought a new house. I read statistics (these are like 5 years old) that said the average 25-year-old had a net worth of $1,500, the average 45-year-old had a net worth of $4,500, and the average 65-year-old had an average net worth of $65,000. Seeing how much most people accumulate by the time they're 65, one could say having a 75/100 debt-to-asset value ration is pretty darn good.

In case you haven't figured it out yet, you probably don't want to argue economics with me. I'm an economics junkie, and know WAY more than probable 99% of the dopes in congress (from both parties) on the subject. Stick with the race-baiting. It's easier to slip lies in there unnoticed.

"Hmm, you oppose welfare but support the welfare king Bush"

I support welfare for those who really NEED it, and I never support a person. I support policies, many of Bush's I vehemently oppose.

"IQ of a room temperature? But you voted for a man with the IQ of a door knob...NEway"

And yet according to SAT scores, colege test scores, and military aptitude test scores, he was still smarter than the guy you likely voted for in the last election.

"Perhaps you should check with Pat Roberston to make sure I didn't leave anyone out!"

I have no idea what Pat Robertson thinks, but I'd bet dollars to donuts he's a heck of a lot more tolerant than Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson.

reason
Any black voter who turns his life over to the Democrat Party because of the word "conservative" is an idiot who deserves the "representation" he gets!

As for you historical 'analysis', it is you who is off the mark! The modern GOP is directly descended from the party started in the late 1850s to stand against slavery; the same Party that elected Abraham Lincoln elected Teddy Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan. The Democratic Party is the same Democrat Party that stood firm against abolition, fought a war to preserve slavery, stood against the Civil Rights movement, and dreamed up the whole Great Society scam---after first giving us the government expanding New Deal! This same Democrat Party elected Woodrow Wilson, lionized Sheets Byrd as the "conscience of the Senate", and elected Bill Clinton who awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to his hero---an unreconstructed segregationist named J. William Fulbright! That IS the history of your beloved Democratic Party, whether you like it or not.

Don't even try to come here with your same old revisionist history, lame "Southern strategy" talking points, and the old canard about how all the 50s and 60s Democrats all joined the GOP. To paraphrase Jay-Z: You can't sell us that bullsh*t because we already know the prices. Those tired arguments have been tried here before and dismantled---that's why nobody reacts to them.

And if you really want to get into when the parties began to shift, it was not in the 1960s as you try to suggest. It was actually in the 1930s under the control of FDR and his cronies that the Democratic Party began to change; up until that point it had been pretty customary to hear Republicans called radicals, and it was Republican presidents like Teddy Roosevelt, that were interested in expanding the powers of the federal government, especially the Executive branch. The Democrats, on the other hand, were the Party that favored less government intervention, wanted the US to stay out of foreign entanglements of all kinds, and opposed the Roosevelt era government growth.

With the coming of the Depression, the Democrats in the Executive branch (FDR) felt that it was the responsibility of the central government in Washington, DC to do something to pull the nation out of the Depression. So you saw an unprecedented expansion of government programs like the WPA, CCC, the introduction of unemployment benefits, and the creation of the SSI to help combat the Depression and give some relief to those suffering through it. At that point the GOP began to move towards a smaller government ideal, as evidenced by their repeated stands against the big government schemes of the FDR administration. That is when the two parties began to morph into the parties we recognize today, with the Party platforms that identify each---not in the 1960s!

I hope that I have straightened out your historical misconceptions---and you're welcome for the free history lesson!

Race-baiting Republicans
Time:
"The sad truth is that many Republican leaders remain in a massive state of denial about the party's four-decade-long addiction to race-baiting. They won't make any headway with blacks by bashing Lott if they persist in giving Ronald Reagan a pass for his racial policies.

The same could be said, of course, about such Republican heroes as, Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon or George Bush the elder, all of whom used coded racial messages to lure disaffected blue collar and Southern white voters away from the Democrats. Yet it's with Reagan, who set a standard for exploiting white anger and resentment rarely seen since George Wallace stood in the schoolhouse door, that the Republican's selective memory about its race-baiting habit really stands out.

Space doesn't permit a complete list of the Gipper's signals to angry white folks that Republicans prefer to ignore, so two incidents in which Lott was deeply involved will have to suffice. As a young congressman, Lott was among those who urged Reagan to deliver his first major campaign speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where three civil rights workers were murdered in one of the 1960s' ugliest cases of racist violence. It was a ringing declaration of his support for "states' rights" — a code word for resistance to black advances clearly understood by white Southern voters.

Then there was Reagan's attempt, once he reached the White House in 1981, to reverse a long-standing policy of denying tax-exempt status to private schools that practice racial discrimination and grant an exemption to Bob Jones University. Lott's conservative critics, quite rightly, made a big fuss about his filing of a brief arguing that BJU should get the exemption despite its racist ban on interracial dating. But true to their pattern of white-washing Reagan's record on race, not one of Lott's conservative critics said a mumblin' word about the Gipper's deep personal involvement. They don't care to recall that when Lott suggested that Reagan's regime take BJU's side in a lawsuit against the Internal Revenue Service, Reagan responded, "We ought to do it." Two years later the U.S. Supreme Court in a resounding 8-to-1 decision ruled that Reagan was dead wrong and reinstated the IRS's power to deny BJU's exemption.

Republican leaders and their apologists tend to go into a frenzy of denial when members of the liberal media cabal bring up these inconvenient facts. It's that lack of candor, of course, that presents the biggest obstacle to George W. Bush's commendable and long overdue campaign to persuade more African-Americans to defect from the Democrats to the Republicans. It's doomed to fail until the GOP fesses up its past addiction to race-baiting, and makes a sincere attempt to kick the habit."

MLK and the Southern Strategy
First, kudos to beowulfe for his extensive research and logical arguments.

Now some info he didn't present.

In the early 1960's MLK was wiretapped by Democrat President John F. Kennedy and his Attorney General and brother, Robert Kennedy as he was campaigning for what became the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

As beowulfe explained, this bill was more strongly supported by the Republicans than the Democrats.

But one conservative Republican Senator, Barry Goldwater, voted against this act because he felt it was a states' rights issue.

Later that year the Republicans nominated Goldwater for President. After their 100+ year history of fighting slavery and racism it never occurred to the Republicans that anyone would associate this nomination with the issue of race.

But MLK, who prior to this had little use for either the Republicans or the Democrats, didn't see it that way. In a memo (or maybe it was a letter) to other leaders of the Southern Christian Leadership conference, MLK said that he could not abide a political party that nominated an opponent of the Civil Rights Act for President. He therefore recommended that the conference, and blacks in general, should henceforth support the Democrats.

And ever since then blacks have voted for Democrats on the order of 90%.

By the time Nixon ran for President in 1968, he and his campaign were faced with the reality that some 85%-90% of blacks would vote for his opponent, Hubert Humphrey, who WROTE the Civil Rights Act of 1964, no matter what he did. So he devised a strategy that would win in the HEAVILY DEMOCRATIC south of 1968 despite the loss of the black vote from 4 years earlier.

Nixon's infamous "Southern Strategy" was not the least bit racist. It was merely a practical political ploy.

Ayana, instead of accusing Republicans generally of being racists today because we haven't begged your forgiveness or tried to buy it from you for Nixon's Southern Strategy, you might try looking at ALL the facts.

Blacks who have voted AGAINST Republicans because of MLK and Goldwater are far more guilty of the bigotry and stereotyping that is the core of racism than the Republicans they presume to categorize.

Nixon, who is the Republican you blame by name (you didn't even know about Goldwater until you read this post - that's how pervasive YOUR categorizing has been) also EXPANDED Affirmative Action.

Today 90% of the black vote still goes to the Democrats because of the same broad brush that MLK once used to paint all Republicans. MLK's death was truly tragic for this country because it gave his killers exactly what they wanted. I have no doubt that if MLK had not been taken so early in his great life he would have corrected this course that has brought so much harm to blacks.

By granting the Democrats their unconditional support to the tune of 90% without regard to what the Democrats do to them instead of for them, blacks effectively eliminate their own representation in any election, any legislative body. The Dems don't have to do anything for them and the Repubs have nothing to gain by helping them.

Finally regarding your friend who fought her and her children's way out of poverty. Has it ever occured to you that if it hadn't been for the Democrats' big-government Great Society welfare culture your friend might not have been a single mom in the first place? Might have had a loving, caring, faithful husband and father for her kids to help her with the bills, the day care, the parenting, the loving and nurturing of her children?

At its best your anecdote shows the one time in ten or so that big-government eventually helped an individual correct the problem that big-government itself caused.

But you just keep right on voting Democratic so every young mother can find herself in the same soup your friend did. And you keep holding your grudge against all Republicans forever because we won't kiss your butt and apologize for the Southern Strategy. It's your right.

dixiecrat
how you conveniently forget the race hustlers sharpton and jackson. How about the kind hearted soul Julian Bond, Let's not forget the new black panther party. How about the duke faculty and their fair analysis of the duke lacrosse team, Let's not forget the other pillar of integrity, missus clinton and her minstrel show act in selma. How about john conyers and his push for black reparations. Let's not forget those other two lovers of social justice, maxine waters and cynthia mckinney. Obviously in your mind there is white repub hatred but nothing ever coming from the black side. As long as libs and the dims keep enabling blacks to blame others for their failures instead of taking responsibility for poor choices I guess you will always be a spokesman claiming racism

dixiecrat 2
How about supplying your list of all these repubs haters that you think are around today

Dixiecrat
You of course have some documentation to support all your wild claims?

Dragging George Wallace into this in such a way as to imply he was a Republican kind of casts a shadow over your entire post.

Interesting
The Townhall crowd is always chiding us Dems for not being the same party we were in the Fifties and Sixties and saying how much we've changed and how liberal we've become. Out of the other side of their mouths, they say that we're the same party of the Dixiecrat south (and spout endless examples of actions by pre-1960 Democrats to show our supposed racism). So which is it? Are we totally the the same or totally different? It's as if the conservatives don't even want to be taken seriously.

Republicans Invented Race Hustling.
Race hustlers like sharpton and jackson learned from the best, the Republicans Invented Race Hustling.

Republican heroes as, Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon or George Bush the elder, all of whom used coded racial messages to lure disaffected blue collar and Southern white voters away from the Democrats. Yet it's with Reagan, who set a standard for exploiting white anger and resentment rarely seen since George Wallace stood in the schoolhouse door, that the Republican's selective memory about its race-baiting habit really stands out.

Wiseone
Do yourself a huge favor and NEVER try and speak about the philosophy of MLK; in the eyes of us who have actually studied him and his beliefs (beyond hearing "I have a dream..."), you could not appear more foolish. In his years before he was killed, he fought hard for economic equality and was actually in Memphis, standing beside organized labor when he was killed. If you knew his actual beliefs, you would have called him a dangerous radical and no doubt would have supported J.E. Hoover's (probably a hero of yours) surveilance of him. On second thought; please invoke his name again; I haven't had enough opportunities to laugh today.

Reagan
Most posters here worship the man like a demi-god. This was a man who announced he was running on a platform of states' rights in Philadelphia, Mississippi (a place known for the killing of 3 civil rights workers) and who openly announced his admiration for Jefferson Davis. He also said he would have vetoed the 1964 Civil Rights Act if he had a chance. Unlike Byrd, who renounced his past, Reagan never apologized for these beliefs. You conservatives worship this man, and yet, are somehow confused as to why most blacks can't identify with your beliefs; how dense can you be?

Learned Hand
Since you speak for what ideals all black Americans stand for;

Do all black men approve of this Democrat?
http://www.kerrystreason.com/index.html

Or conduct like this?
http://hollycrud.com/2006/10/nancy-girl-wants-old-gays-with-young.html


Oh, I forgot
It's not Race-baiting when Republicans do it get the stupid angry white vote.

But if a Democrat talk about issues in the black community its Race-baiting or Race Hustling.

You right-wingers are idiots.

Oh, I forgot
It's not Race-baiting when Republicans do it to get the stupid/angry white vote.

But if a Democrat talk about issues in the black community its Race-baiting or Race Hustling.

You right-wingers are idiots.

dixiecrat
If there are the so called coded racial messages, why are you the only one talking about them. Or is this another message that you have recieved from the mother ship. You dims continually tell us we are knuckle scrapers. If there are these so called coded messages how would we have understood them. You are truly a mental case. How many other conspiracies do you believe in? If there were all these coded messages why didn't your side publicize them. the simple answer they only exist in that empty space between your ears

Dixiecrat.....
....easy now boy, abusing illegal drugs is no way to go through life.....


MyOpine
You might want to up your doses of Ritalin; it might help you stay on point. But since you brought up those whacko, nutwing sites, I loved

"How about Nathan Lane? He hit on one of my best friend’s young, straight actor son in a London nightclub a few years back. The “victim” looked about 16!"

It takes some real stones to make a completely anonymous accusation on the web. Here, I'll try it: Laura Bush is a murderer! She killed an ex-boyfriend with her car! Oh wait...that actually happened...

Democrats.....
....the American political party that pushes racial hatred and pursues lowered standards.....

You aren't lovely...
Hey, so Reagan was a Democrat when he said how much he admired Jefferson Davis and how he would have vetoed the 1964 CRA? Interesting, I thought you GOPers were always so insistent on claiming him...

Learned Hand
You Communist perverts come here to TH and act like children who have found a place to sass adults.

You make your own choice of associates.
If you choose to associate with liars and traitors and NAMBLA then don't be too surprised if we think you are a treasonous pedifile.

I dont know about that......but....
....I do know that Reagan's economic policies carried the Grand Clintonista for 8 years....



NAMBLA???? WTF?????
You mean "Learned Hand" is an a$$-ripper too???

KKK Byrd
Cam writes: Friday, July, 06, 2007 1:02 PM

"Byrd has renounced his Klan past."

Before or after his white n----r comment?

it aint lovely
NAMBLA and the ACLU are major contributors to the DNC.
George Soros owns what is left.

You people are so pathetic...
and so predictable. Of course you're totally incapable of defending your hero, Reagan, so you just reassert your arguments against Byrd and gay-bait anyone who you aren't smart enough to confront on an intellectual level. Grow up!

Oh yeah...
Call me a "commie" too; that should impress all of your junior high brethren.

HAWKINS POLITICS OF DIVISION & MISTRUST
Hawkins is starting to sound like the Democrats now with his politics of division and hypocrisy.

Instead of bringing people into the Conservative fold you are trying to tear down and destroy everything like a stupid Bull in a China shop.

You sound like some spoiled brat kid who wont let anybody play with your toys. Well, you need to grow up and get a life.

With Reagan Democrats waiting in the wings...you are trying to pull the rug out from under everything. Be careful, you just might pull it out from under yourself!

For every Democrat with youthful indiscretions I will bet you money that you can find a Republican too.

Opine....it is true....
DEMPAR has been bought and sold more times than an Arab whore in Tangiers....

...the next one to "own that a$$" will be al qaeda....

Learned Hand just emailed.....
....he "advised" me to adopt a more progressive attitude.


Progressive, does that mean LH drops his pants and bends over for an a$$ ripping and then thinks everyone owes him for it???

Learned Hand
I am real sorry for calling you a Communist.
I just use that generic term because I don't know what euphemism you are cowering behind.
Are you a;
"Progressive"?
"New Democrat"?
"Socialist"?
"New Left"?
"New Age Democrat"?

Or are you just too stupid to know the Democratic Socialists of America is part of an International Communist Party?

http://cpc.lee.house.gov

Go to the left column, 3rd button down.

And remember who started this name calling, you puffed up buffoon!

Wow MyOpic
That link totally proved your point! Geez, you're a smart guy. No, I'm an American who has different views than you, but you're way too stupid to actually actually refute anything I say, so you make ridiculous assertions and name-call. You are amusing, if somewhat sad.

Brilliant discourse
Oh, and...
"Progressive, does that mean LH drops his pants and bends over for an a$$ ripping and then thinks everyone owes him for it??"
Are you actually in seventh grade right now, or is that just as far as your redneck education went?

to Joe six pack
Thanks for the info. My bad for not fact checking.

The sad thing is...
There actually are (used to be?) intelligent conservative arguments to be made. Sadly, the William F. Buckley's of the world have been replaced by you geniuses whose idea of intelligent debate is accusing your opponent of "a$$ ripping". You must be proud.

Hey, LH......
....thanks for proving my point...



"leftards work hard at being stupid"

John Kerry, Fall '04

Wildwest, really? Flagwaver!!
Wildwest, when you asked Dixiecrat "how many other conspiracies do you believe in?" did you stop to think that this column itself attempts to construct what must be the mother of all conspiracy theories? You know, the one about how northern liberal Democrats got jealous of the power southern conservative Democrats had over blacks and how they concocted an elaborate scheme just so they could do even more damage to blacks. Remember, these were the ones who came down south and forced their conservative counterparts to allow blacks into those all-white schools - just so they could fail and drop out. Of course these same liberals insisted on replacing the failed blacks with more blacks just so they too could fail. While doing so, they winked at the old-school southern Democrats and whispered "trust us, you'll like this. we're really hurting the blacks. Sure, some qualified whites won't get in, but this is better...because the more we let in the more will fail. Isn't this fun?!"

Yeah. That conspiracy theory. Are you people crazy!??!?!

Flagwaver, thank you for explaining to me how the parties haven't changed. I especially liked your examples of how the parties have changed. I'm glad you didn't charge me for proving my point!

Your right. The old canard about how the old 50s & 60s Democrats are now Republicans is indeed wrong. The Confederacy may have been defeated by the Union in 1865, but those body snatchers finished them off in 1964. Poof! No more Southern racists! I don't know, maybe all these racists moved north to join their racist liberal brethren above the Mason Dixon line. Once they got themselves all comfy in the 1970s, I hear that's when they begin to push for gay rights.

Your inability to use "liberal" and "conservative" in this discussion underscores how ridiculous this argument really is. Since when are so many conservatives reluctant to use the "L-word?" Ordinarily, it's liberals this and liberals that. Strangely we get very little of that here. Its all Democrats this Democrats that. What's wrong with the "L-word" here? Anyone?

Learned Hand
You have just proven everything I said about you.
You are a Communist, probably a Kerry Communist.
Like a small child, you come here to TH to insult Conservatives.

Whatever preverted motive you have is of no importence.
I would guess you just come here to be a nuisance.

I know how filty you are because 5 generations of my family left the Democrat Party because it had changed and we did not want to be associated with dispicable trash like you.

MyOpic
No, you left because the party decided to admit blacks, Jews, and other minorites you hate. Honestly, what level education do you have, because your postings are as dumb as anything I've ever read on this site. You call me filthy and perverted ("filty" and "preverted" actually, because you were too busy getting it on with your cousin to learn how to spell) because you know you can't engage me on an intellectual level. You might want to step out of that double-wide you live in and pick up Hooked-On-Phonics when you get a chance.

A few questions for MyOp
1. Did you graduate high school?
2. Did you graduate college (and what institute of higher learning mistakenly admitted you)?
3. How do you manage to earn a living? (My guess is that it involves a construction helmet or a paper hat.)
4. Have you ever travelled abroad?
Just wondering how someone ends up so ignorant...

Dumb Handjob
Hay thar Xxxxx
Hew elekted yew ta bee da spellen teecher round hear?
Peeples mosly sea der oan spellen airers sune aftr posten.
Ifya kan unnerstan da wurd ta korrect spellen den uther peeple kan to.
Yew seam prudish wasten thread ta sho airers we alredy no aboot.
Kould ya reed this ok?
Sea sum airers?

____________________________________
AND you little girlyman,
I left high school when I turned 17 and enlisted during WW2
I do ok for self educated.

Learned Hand.....
What's wrong, mom kicked you out of the attic again?


Maybe it's time your diaper wearing a$$ got up off the street corner and found legitimate work....

Self-educated?
Something like that, I guess. It's cute that you taught yourself to use a computer. As far as you, it aint, don't you have a banjo you should be strumming or some moonshine to be brewing? Trust me, I make WAY more money than you do (for what it's worth) so I haven't had the need to crash in mom's attic for quite a while. And I think MyOpic might be the one who needs a diaper; he's old enough.

Dumb Handjob
Your statement as to why my family left the Democrat Party is a lie.

We did not want to be associated with filth like you who embrace NAMBLA.
http://americansfortruth.com/issues/the-agenda-glbtq-activist-groups/national-glbq-activist-groups/national-glbtq-activist-groups/nambla/

We did not want to be associated with cowardly Communists like you.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44701

We did not want to associate with traitors like you do.
http://www.kerrystreason.com/index.html

We had many other reasons but none had anything to do with race.

beowulfe
"I ask one more time: Name JUST ONE thing Democrats have EVER done to help blacks."

Don't waste your breath. You have asked that questions a dozen times and have yet to get a straight answer.

Ayana
I apologize. You did give one example of Democrats doing good for the black community. Bill Clinton signing welfare reform. Tell me. Why all of a sudden, you are giving your idol the credit for such an anti-black legislation? Never mind, I know the answer. He is a Democrat and blacks are trained by their masters to always vote for the hand that feeds them.

Well, Hound Dog
There are the countless education,job-training and after-school programs that Democrats have fought hard to pass (most of which were defeated or have since been eliminated by the ever-caring GOP). Democrats have actually tried to protect affirmative action and recognize the fact that the effects of over 300 years of destruction are not remedied by 30 years of help.
Here's a question none of you have been able to answer: why did Reagan so admire Jefferson Davis (a traitor if there ever was one) and oppose the 1964 Civil Rights Act?

No facts
Ayana writes: Friday, July, 06, 2007 1:16 PM

"This is how Republicans win over the black votes, by not feeding into sterotypes about blacks. That is the problem blacks have with the Republican Party. I can not stress that fact enough!"

It's not a fact - it's your unproven assertion. The evidence is there and has just been presented to you, but you just blithely ignore it. What two Republican blacks recently got defeated because racist Democrats wouldn't vote for them?

And no, I don't want to hear stereotypes from you - I know plently of blacks and you are not representative of them at all. I also know Africans (been there) who think that Jackson, Farrakhan, and Sharpton are nothing but hustling race-baiting troublemakers, even when gettng all of their news from the liberal BBC. But what do they know?

"Learned" Hand
I get an impression you are one of the Public Parasites responsible for ruining our education system.
Do you steal time from your students to teach partisan politics?

No, MyOp
I guess you were unable to read my comments about earning a high income. Actually, I was a prosecutor for several years and I have since gone into civil litigation. But I notice your total hostility towards teachers: is that because of your lack of education?

Learned Hand

My animosity toward our present teachers is due to the fact that they teach partisan politics and graduate children who can't even read a job application.
That is the worst form of child molesting.
Teachers who are entrusted with our children's education are actually shaping their future.
People are what they know.
Cheating someone of a chance to learn is taking away part of what they should have become.

I do not resent my own lack of education.
I have done well for myself with what I have.