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Saturday, February 02, 2008
John Andrews :: Townhall.com Columnist
George Soros, Meet John Jay
by John Andrews
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Precinct caucuses are coming up on Tuesday in seven states across the country, including mine. I'm telling fellow Coloradans that if you’re registered with a party, be there. You can vote in the presidential poll and help choose candidates for local, state, and federal offices, as well as issues for the party platforms.

If you go to a Republican caucus, the other participants were probably at church or synagogue this weekend. If you’re at a Democratic caucus, it’s likely they were not. Surveys show that Americans who worship at least weekly tend to vote with the GOP by about 60-40. Those who worship less often, vote with the Dems by a similar margin.

This doesn’t make either party better, but it’s one of the sharp differences between them. Asked what issues will frame the 2008 campaign, members of a university adult class I’m teaching with liberal columnist David Sirota put religion second on the list, right behind the war. Also near the top were the economy, health care, taxes, and the role of government.

After Sirota elicited these suggestions and jotted them on the board, it was my turn to cross-examine. How had such concerns, I probed, helped Republicans win seven of ten presidential elections since 1968? Specifically, where did religion come in? The class is mostly liberals (which I’m enjoying), and one answered: “Abortion and homosexuality.”

True, but the explanation goes deeper. Faced with a string of Supreme Court rulings devaluing religion, and with a Manhattan-Berkeley-Hollywood axis scorning moral absolutes and spiritual faith, traditionally-minded Americans of both parties rallied around GOP candidates for a defense of the old values, “the way we were.”

Defense of marriage and the unborn was part of it, sure, but so was defense of our national identity and security. Baptist Jimmy Carter lost reelection after dismissing the “inordinate fear of communism” and embracing a declinist view of the future. Divorcee Ronald Reagan won twice with “city on a hill” biblical optimism and a forward strategy against the Soviet “evil empire.”

The Bush-Clinton struggle since 1992 has reflected many of these same disagreements. In 2000, a tree-hugger bent on saving the planet was edged out by an evangelical saved from drink. Substitute radical Jihadism for communism, and you realize that our 2008 debates aren’t so different from those of 1972 or 1984.

The political force of America’s enduring self-image as a nation under God, what Lincoln called “this almost-chosen people,” will be my message to that room-full of older progressives when our university short-course wraps up on Feb. 6. Will they get it? Probably not as well as the class of younger conservatives I met with a month ago.

These were a dozen grad students at the John Jay Institute for Faith, Society, and Law in Colorado Springs. Though Jay is sometimes called the forgotten Founder, Kenneth Starr terms him “the father of American conservatism.” Co-author of the Federalist Papers and the nation’s first Chief Justice, he insisted morality and religion were indispensable to ordered liberty. The John Jay Institute insists they still are.

Conducting one-year academic fellowships and a lecture series, the newly-formed institute and its scholarly president, Alan Crippen, are not a militia “waging war against the separation of church and state” as secularists fumed in a Colorado Springs Gazette article on Nov. 11 (reprinted in the Washington Post). They are a voice of reason -- yet politely subversive even so.

Fellow Adrienne Moorehead told the Gazette that natural law, asserted by constitutionalists from Thomas Jefferson to Clarence Thomas, must again have its day. Fellow Brandon Showalter spoke of a career in service to “God’s design for the social order.” Incendiary talk indeed.

George Soros and Tim Gill may call the tune in this election cycle, but soon enough it’s a good bet we’ll be hearing more from Showalter, Moorehead, Crippen, and John Jay.

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george soros meets john jay
George soros should never be aloud to enter the U.S.A.,and all his assets frozen. We need to get America back to the way it once was, and all the traitors put in prison, enstead of given medals for cowardism. Today our country put up with cowards, homosexuals, and traitors, when are we going to wake up and stop this madness? We have foeigners coming into our country committing crimes and we the people are helpless to do anything about it because we are too liberal. We have to start some place, so lets start with soros, and use him as an example to put fear into the rest of those liberals. We need to counter attack those creeps now and not let up on them or we will loose this country.

George Soros
From the title, I expected more of a debate about the ideas of both men. I know the intent of the founders and framers was that a man like Soros could not inject so much influence into the political. One man having so much power is contrary to the workings of a democratic republic. What I am looking for is a way to get at Soros. How does a little guy like slay the Goliath?

Here's a quote
Heres'a quote from globalist Soros..."I'm not looking for a worldwide recession (US is OK), I'm looking for a significant shift of power and influence away from the US in particular and a shift in favor of the the developing world, PARTICULARLY CHINA."

What a guy. China is our mortal enemy. They put people in jail (with Google's help) for critizing the gov. They are doing massive military buildup (with our money). Who is China planning to go to war with??

What the world needs is China in charge! NOT.

George Soros
Soros is an a extreme example of secretive back room politics. This is big money working behind closed doors. He was instrumnental in the formation of Demcocracy Alliance. This "foundation" formed in 2005 in Scottsdale Arizona whose first meeting was descibed by the the NY Times as "intensley secret" doles money out condition of anonymity. Very Democratic would you say? They are connected to the Tides Foundation another granter of big money for liberal doings. Tides who accepts donations from other foundations for causes has been described as a "money laundering operation" Very Democratic eh folks? Gee and guess who is connected to them both? None other than her highness Hillary dear!

John Jay
I agree with Ken Starr that John Jay is the model for American Conservatism. Jay, like so many of the Founding Fathers, put country and principal before self interest.

Jay is also considered the most religious of the Founders. On his retirement he served as President of the American Bible Society.

All Americans should be familiar with the important, god-centered, and interesting life of John Jay.

May I suggest reading an enjoyable and informative biography of John Jay by Walter Stahr.

http://www.amazon.com/John-Jay-Founding-Walter-Stahr/dp/082 6418791/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201954527&sr=8 -1

Will this ever change?
Lobbyists find more ways to bond with lawmakers
Will this ever change?

USATODAY-The quiet, tree-lined 400 block of New Jersey Avenue, with its expanse of Victorian houses in the shadow of the U.S. Capitol, resembles many residential streets in this part of Washington.

Look closer during the cocktail hour while Congress is in session. Well-coiffed men and women mill about behind the grand windows, glasses in hand. Stand on the sidewalk, and you’re bound to bump into a lawmaker.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/lobbyists-find-mor e-ways-to-bond-with-lawmakers

We can beat his millions...
There are millions of us and there are few of them. It's about money and we should be able to outspend them. How can we allow a small homosexual minority dictate this country's policies? Read this:
http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/obamas-gay-gold-mine/1824 7/
Sacrifice a cup of Starbucks or some other unnecessary thing and donate to a cause: Liberty Council, AFA, any conservative PAC, your favorite politician, Michael Savage fund to protect free speech. It's about the money and we should not lose this race. It's hard to get involved personally. Most of the people I know work hard to provide for their family. Let others work for our cause by helping them with any money we can spare. That's the recipe.

Soros needs to meet his victims
Soros put millions of English pensioners on the permanent dole with his money speculation. He needs to mee THEM in a dark alley. Preferably with a rope handy.

-Ray

Wrat Wrangler
He can't set foot in Thailand as he'll be arrested for currency speculation and he was convicted in France for it. Someone needs to kidnap his old a** and deliver him gift-wrapped to the French police.

Did anyone discern Andrews' point?
Other than the fact that religious nutters and men with unacknowledged homosexual tendencies tend to vote Republican, I'm not really sure JA has much of a point.

It is interesting that JA would put John Jay on such a pedestal. Frankly, from what little we know of his jurisprudence, Chief Justice Jay was quite the libertarian. In Chisholm v. Georgia, he argued for abolition of sovereign immunity. In Georgia vs. Brailsford, he ran over states' rights in holding that a dispute between a British creditor and the state of Georgia was a matter of federal law, and governed by treaty.

As governor of New York, Jay fought corruption and even limited the death penalty. He would have never tolerated officials taking bribes like John's friend Bob Beauprez (who took a $20,000 vacation to Israel on the dime of a Russian mobster) did. Honor and principle are so far gone from the annals of the Bush administration that they cannot even be discerned as an echo. It's fair to say that he would have never been let anywhere near the Bush Crime Family's inner circle.

And then, there is Jay's most famous quote:

"Let it be remembered that civil liberty consists, not in a right to every man to do just what he pleases, but it consists in an equal right to all citizens to have, enjoy, and do, in peace, security and without molestation, whatever the equal and constitutional laws of the country admit to be consistent with the public good."
-- Chief Justice John Jay, Charge to the Grand Juries (1790)

Jay is more like a colonial Barry Goldwater, who would be at constant odds with the bulk of John Andrews' views.

Libertarians and relativism
John Jay could never have been a libertarian, because he firmly believed in an absolute moral law. Libertarians tend to be moral relativists. Relativism may even be a requirement for libertarianism, I'm not sure.

Belief in limited government is not the same as libertarianism. Most conservatives believe that, while the role of government should be limited, when it does exercise power it must do so based on moral principles, not mere pragmatism and expedience.

I believe that ALL laws are either a form of imposed morality, or a naked power exercise. There can be no other sort of law. I prefer the former to the latter, and so did John Jay.

$oros
Big bucks for Obama

Ship him to Indonesia and sell CANES!!!
Ship him to Indonesia and let the mob have at him with bamboo canes. THEY know how to deal with Sorea$$ there.

-Ray

Why in God's Name
is Soros yet breathing? The low life is capo.

My bad!!
I meant Thailand. They also have VERY creative ways of dealing with malefactors there. Hee hee ho ho!!

-Ray

The two are not mutually exclusive
cleverness: "John Jay could never have been a libertarian, because he firmly believed in an absolute moral law. Libertarians tend to be moral relativists. Relativism may even be a requirement for libertarianism, I'm not sure."
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Two passages come to mind: "All things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial." "Do unto others as you would have them do to you."

Jay's jurisprudence is libertarian, and his work is libertarian. Think Goldwater.

SOROS EVIL MIDGET
Since looking into Soros' many "Secret" Groups
I found yet another thru Michelle Malkins' site:

OSI-"Open Society Institute"...Soros is the Founder, and he is aligned with none other than
JOHN McCAIN You know, the same Hero,who says he is Conservative?

Soros, has far TOO MUCH to do with trying to sink
America, and someone needs to bring this b**tard
out in the open, and look into his activities.
He is aligned with Hillary, through MoveOn.org,
which has donated to her run.

Since BOTH Hillary and McCain, are 'buddy-buddy'
it seems logical then, that Soros(who claimed thru MoveOn-"We own the Democrat Party") NOW feels he OWNS both parties, VIA-HILLARY & McCAIN.

SOROS IS A SOCIALIST, WHO HIDES HIS OWN MONEY, AND WANTS TO "BRING DOWN AMERICA".....WHERE ARE OUR GOVT.AGENCIES AND LEADERS, WHO SHOULD BE INVESTIGATING THIS DESPICABLE/COMMIE, AND SEND HIM BACK TO HIS "OWN COUNTRY?"

SOROS EVIL MIDGET
Since looking into Soros' many "Secret" Groups
I found yet another thru Michelle Malkins' site:

OSI-"Open Society Institute"...Soros is the Founder, and he is aligned with none other than
JOHN McCAIN You know, the same Hero,who says he is Conservative?

Soros, has far TOO MUCH to do with trying to sink
America, and someone needs to bring this EVIL,
Hateful, Money Grubber out in the open, and look into his activities.

He is aligned with Hillary, through MoveOn.org,
which has donated to her run.

Since BOTH Hillary and McCain, are 'buddy-buddy'
it seems logical then, that Soros(who claimed thru MoveOn-"We own the Democrat Party") NOW feels he OWNS both parties, VIA-HILLARY & McCAIN.

SOROS IS A SOCIALIST, WHO HIDES HIS OWN MONEY, AND WANTS TO "BRING DOWN AMERICA".....WHERE ARE OUR GOVT.AGENCIES AND LEADERS, WHO SHOULD BE INVESTIGATING THIS DESPICABLE/COMMIE, AND SEND HIM BACK TO HIS "OWN COUNTRY?"

Soros "IS" A ...... !
{WHAT} Ever Soros has to be to destroy America's Number One place in the world he will do.I mean "anything .Period !
What amazed most of us is ? America has been his home and where the made all that Capitalist money .
His own True background was making money in the futures markets when economics sank [BECAUSE } HE put out bad news and information on them .
The ''TRUTH " had no meaning to Soros ! He was once a Jew but has been for many years a died in the wool Atheist
Now that he is a Billionaire He is a Socialist with a conscious ? B/S !
He hates America so that is why he supports every moronic movement he can that hurts this COUNTRY .
HE WELL KNOWS THAT IF AL GORES GLOBAL WARMING CRAP SUCCEEDS AMERICA WILL BE A SECOND OR THIRD WORLD COUNTRY IN ONLY A FEW YEARS .
THEN HIS WORK IS DONE !
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