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Monday, October 27, 2008
Joel Mowbray :: Townhall.com Columnist
Iraq War vet’s service attacked in Ohio campaign
by Joel Mowbray
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When Josh Mandel got a call from the Marines last year asking him to return voluntarily to Iraq, he had much more to contemplate than when he first enlisted in 2000. He had just been elected to the Ohio state legislature. Family considerations were also important to him. He ultimately decided to serve a second tour in Iraq “because I didn’t join the Marine Corps to say no when my country called,” Mr. Mandel explains.

Of all the factors he weighed, Mr. Mandel says political concerns were not among them. Now he has been forced to deal with the politics of that decision. The opponent in his tough re-election fight, trial attorney Bob Belovich, is attacking Mr. Mandel’s service, arguing that he abandoned voters. Mr. Belovich’s wife, Barbara, acknowledged in an interview for this column that she has told voters that Mr. Mandel “went AWOL” (a military term for desertion) by fighting in Iraq.

Even Mr. Mandel’s motives for serving in Iraq are being questioned. Mrs. Belovich claimed in an interview with this columnist that Mandel “put his personal ambitions ahead of his constituents.” Asked why anyone would enter a war zone out of “personal ambition,” Barbara Belovich replied curtly, “Certainly he wasn’t serving our needs.”

That’s not how one prominent local Democrat sees it. “I have great respect for what Josh did. To say that he didn’t serve his constituents by risking his life in Iraq is absurd,” says Broadview Heights mayor Sam Alai.

Considered a rising star by the Ohio GOP, Mr. Mandel wasn’t on anyone’s radar two years ago. In 2006, he was a long-shot candidate to win his Cleveland-area district, where Democrats outnumber Republicans by well over two-to-one. Democrats didn’t take him seriously, so they spent little money to retain the open seat. But after knocking on almost 20,000 doors, Mr. Mandel scored a stunning victory.

Mr. Mandel faces a much tougher race this time around. Ohio Democrats targeted him from the beginning, because at just 31 years old, he is seen as a top up-and-comer. Progressive Majority, a moveon.org-affiliated political action committee that focuses on local races, has made defeating Mr. Mandel a top priority. Then there’s the Obama effect. ACORN activists have blanketed the area, and every liberal group from moveon.org to the Obama campaign is working to maximize Democratic turnout.

The Belovich campaign has not been bashful in going after Mr. Mandel’s military service. At a major Democratic Party event in Cleveland this March, while Mr. Mandel was still in Iraq, Mrs. Belovich told Mr. Alai, “Josh Mandel isn’t serving our country, he’s serving George Bush.” Though in a phone interview Mr. Belovich denied hearing his wife’s comments, Mr. Alai says that’s impossible: “We were so close, I could have reached out and smacked him in the face. She said it, he heard it, and he said nothing. It was clear he didn’t disagree.”

At a Progressive Majority event in Cleveland this July, Mr. and Mrs. Belovich laid out their campaign blueprint for defeating Mandel. “[Mandel] feels that his obligation to George Bush is stronger than his, you know, his obligation to the people in the 17th District,” Barbara Belovich said. (An audio recording made by someone who overheard the discussion was recently posted online, and neither Bob nor Barbara Belovich deny making those remarks.)

As heard in the recording, Bob Belovich then added that Mandel won in 2006 in part because of his “blue sign” and “Jewish name.” Asked recently by this columnist what he meant by the comment, Belovich stated that many people think Mandel is a Democrat, including some who think so because Mr. Mandel is Jewish. Belovich, who is Catholic, then spent five minutes discussing the implications of Mr. Mandel being Jewish. (The district’s Catholic population is three to four times bigger than its Jewish one.)

“To some Jewish voters, they would be attracted to him because he’s Jewish. To other Jewish voters, they wouldn’t support him because of his stance on the issues.” Questioned as to whether he was speaking of Jews generally or Jewish Democrats specifically, Mr. Belovich responded that he was referencing Jewish voters overall. This apparently rules out the possibility of Jews supporting Mr. Mandel because of his policy positions or legislative achievements.

Asked if he thinks he’ll receive Jewish votes for being Jewish himself, Mr. Mandel answered, “Maybe my opponent has met people who blindly support me because I’m Jewish, but I certainly haven’t.” As for the attacks on his decision to return to Iraq, Mr. Mandel says, “If they want to take shots at me, I can defend myself. But what they’re saying comes awfully close to degrading the sacrifices of our young men and women over there now.”

Attacks on Mr. Mandel’s military service could easily backfire. But given that the lines are still being repeated so close to the election suggests that they’ve resonated with at least some voters in a district where the war remains deeply unpopular.

The obvious implication is that by serving in Iraq, Mr. Mandel was a do-nothing legislator. Yet he was one of the two people who lead the successful fight to force Ohio’s multi-billion dollar pension funds to divest from companies doing energy-related business in Iran and Sudan. Pension fund managers agreed to start divesting when legislation co-sponsored by Mr. Mandel and Rep. Shannon Jones was poised for passage.

Knowing the enormity of the challenge facing him, Mr. Mandel is making one last push for the homestretch. He vows to avoid negative campaigning. And he is optimistic that voters will reject his opponent’s tactics. “I really believe that no matter how someone feels about the war, just about everyone truly supports the troops,” says Mr. Mandel.

For Josh Mandel to win re-election in his heavily Democratic district, he needs to be right.

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Unbelievable!
Mr. and Mrs. Belovich scandalize the Catholic Church with their allegations. As a Roman Catholic, actually practicing my faith, I am embarrassed to be associated with the likes of them. I hope Mandel wins handily.

This ungrateful ***** has no idea....
what she's talking about....

"Mr. Belovich’s wife, Barbara, acknowledged in an interview for this column that she has told voters that Mr. Mandel “went AWOL” (a military term for desertion) by fighting in Iraq."

WTF?....As a veteran myself.....how in the **** can you go AWOL in civilian life?....I did not know that OHIO legislators can go AWOL.....and for cripes sake, I've lived here in OHIO a long time.

and here's a classic:

"Asked why anyone would enter a war zone out of “personal ambition,” Barbara Belovich replied curtly, “Certainly he wasn’t serving our needs.”

arrogance in its' purest form......

"serving our needs"...you ungrateful *****

WHAT IS AWOL
I THOUGHT AWOL WAS WHEN YOU DESERTED IN THE TIME OF ACTIVE DUTY IN THE MILITARY.

THE ATILCE ON MR MANDEL WAS INAPPROPIATE FOR ANY ONE TO SAY ABOUT A VETERAN. I HAVE TO FORGOVE MR MANDEL FOR BING A MARINE, AS MY CLASS MATE GENERAL CHARLES EDDY IN GERMANY WOULD HAVE TO ALLOW AS WELL.

I CAN ONLY SAY. MANDEL HAS DONE THE RIGHT THING IN HIS LIFE AND HE CHOSE TO SERVE HIS COUNTRY. WHERE WAS OBAMA, IGNORING THE MILITARY.

THE PLAINTFF


What do expect?
What do you expect from a bottom-feeding Democrat, anti-Semite bigot and his big-mouth wife? Neither has an ounce of patriotism or decency. While Mr. Mandel is putting his life at risk to defend our country, these two low-life politicians are busy trying to stab him in the back. What a couple of pigs!

Watch out, Ohio, because they'll try to suppress the absentee votes again, because most of those votes are from men and women serving our country in uniform.

Bob Belovich is an ***h0le
This is by far the worst I have heard from any campaign anywhere. Belovich should not have a chance of being elected unless he was running in Chicago or San Francisco.

If you're not going to stand behind the troops, feel free to stand in front of them.

Obama AWOL
Body count. In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago, 221 killed in Iraq.

Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durbin, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., Gov. Rod Blogojevich, House leader Mike Madigan, Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan, Mayor Richard Daley. . . . our leadership in Illinois. . . . all Democrats. Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago (a lot of good gun control does, huh?). Of course they're all blaming each other. Can't blame Republicans, there aren't any!

State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country. Cook County (Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look'em up if you want). Chicago school system one of the worst in country. This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois. He's gonna 'fix' Washington politics? Give me a break!!!

BARBARA BELOVICH EMAIL ADDRESS
Well Hey Everybody!
Why don't you tell Barbara Belovich herself? She is a divorce lawyer http://www.belovichlaw.com
Here's the emails:
bbelovich@hacOHIO.org
Phone: 440.884.8018 Fax: 440.884.8021. Barbara@belovichlaw.com
SEMPER FI!!!!!!!

Disgusting
As a displaced Buckeye in Texas I came across this story. Truly disgusting. I am not sure what is more disturbing the moron liberals who come up with this crap...or the fact that people will really buy their hogwash.

Josh...thanks for serving your country! Keep up the great work. Good luck on Nov 4th.

Ron

Infuriating !!
I agree with the eight comments in front of me. Speaking as a navy vet(67), I'm afraid had I been anywhere close to those two when the comment was made - they would have been in grave physical danger !!!

Mandel
I am a veteran of the First Gulf War involuntarily called up because I was a general surgeon in the USNR. I received some of the same comments when I returned usually from sunshine patriots and fair weather soldiers.Our leaders take advantage of our patriotism to forward their own misguided decisions and then blame their soldiers when the leaders turn out to be wrong.The younger soldiers who returned from the First Gulf War could not understand why the country was so appreciative of their service and of course it was the peoples way to expiate their guilt over the way they treated their servicemen after Viet Nam.If Mandel loses it is a reflection on his constituents more than his opponent and they do not deserve him.If he loses you can call it God or Karma but there is a reason.I've lived long enough to realize that there is some justice in the universe but it moves at its pace not mans'

Typical mean-spirited liberals
I've heard from parents of a soldier who was KIA in Iraq that liberal friends of theirs snickered when he was killed. These were friends, not enemies. But, instead of offering solace, they accused him of only serving to help Pres. Bush obtain more oil, of killing innocent civilians and children, and basically spat in the parents' face by insinuating that they had made money off their son's death.

These people are monsters. If this is how the average liberal thinks about men and women in uniform, I want nothing to do with them. I have heard the same hateful slurs spewed at other military families. It's like a collective form of insanity.

Belovich
Disgusting. I hope that this story gets PLENTY of media coverage, as I can't believe that even the most liberal democrat would vote for anyone with such an asinine viewpoint. Mr Mandel, Jewish, Pagan, Zoroastrian, Muslim, or whatever he chooses to believe, is a treasure to our country and our way of life, whatever they may be.

Envy is an ugly trait
It's funny and yet sad (and somewhat disgusting) to see liberals get so indignant when they see someone with a moral compass and a sense of higher purpose do something that is so foreign to them and that they themselves are without ability to do, Sacrifice of self for the sake of others. The only thing they can think to do to try to make themselves look better is to make someone else look bad instead of looking good on their own merits. They throw angry epithets and disparaging characteristics about the other person that when examined closely only reveal the traits and character of the person/persons casting the dispersions. This is the same type of person(s)who go to a military service members funeral to protest the war. Think about that for a moment.
NOW GET BACK TO WORK! Millions of illegal immigrants on entitlement programs are depending on you.

Beloviches
Catholic? Beloviches are catholic? Now that's a joke. I have to laugh at the fact that he is an attorney. Attorneys are basically useless pieces of dung and he is proving it. I am a catholic and I would certainly vote for Mandell after reading this article about Belovich. Belovich is a typical piece of dung.

Dirty Scum
The Belkoviches are proving themselves to be the dirty scum most liberal Democrats are! What about that dumbo-eared Senator you Democrats have put in front of us for President? How much AWOL time has he spent away from serving his constituents while running for a job that - by his own admission - he isn't qualified for? Virtually two years for those of you who can’t add! And Biden - what a buffoon! Wait until he faces the REAL question-writers on the "real-world" stage. And, by the way, Joe: None of us "missed" the interview your trophy wife didn't give to that Florida radio station when, in a grandiose display of your righteous indignation, you cancelled her session. Hopefully most of the gullible fools that have swallowed the vile swill you two have belched out up to now will realize what callous, shallow individuals you and your entourage really are before November 4. If not, God help us!

Belovich = Maggot
As one of those Viet Nam USMC veterans who endured the despicable treatment heaped upon us by liberal scumbags upon our return from the democrat war, I consider this maggot and all of his ilk to be beneath contempt. John Kerry's traitorous activities, John Murtha's labeling our Marines as murderers, Richard Durbin calling our troops "Nazis", Barack Obama accusing our military of bombing villages and killing civilians and now this reprehensible conduct by this democrat lowlife and his equally bottom-feeding wife should make us all think twice about giving the power to a bunch of limp-wristed bedwetters who have nothing but distain for the military that protects their sorry behinds. As a Catholic, I regard their anti-semitism as unworthy of comment.

these moveon.org Dems
are skids and the scum of this earth. Their supporters who vote for their candidates are stupid and uninformed. They do not read, most don't know who their two U.S. Senators are, and they buy into the recommendations and hot air given them by flakes and frauds.

Stupidity transferred to the voting booth is a dangerous thing.

I dare
The Bitchlovich is a disgrace. That is as low as oanybeody can go. THis just signifies that the dems only want power and they don't mind blaspheming someonw with character and integrity to follow through. F*** them.

Mandel gets a Semper fi!

Belobitch
What's all the fuss about? This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. That's who these people are. Look at who their great leaders are. John- Winter Soldier-Kerry, Dick-Nazis Soviets in their Gulags-Durbin, John-Killing Civilians in cold blood-Murtha, Harry-The War is OVER, the surge is making things worse-Reid, and lest we forget, Barak-Not only do I believe the Surge WON'T work,it'll make things worse-OBAMA. Ted Kennedy. (Is that piece of CRAP dead yet?) Dennis Kucinich, Sheila Jackson Lee, and that other fat mouth, out there in Oakland: Maxine- Ebonics-Waters. Patriots all. So why would Mrs. Belobitch, or her pond scum lawyer husband, be any different? This IS the Democrat Party.

Tell them
Here is a link to the post section of their election web page tell them what you think.

http://bobbelovich.com/index.php?page=blog&full=1#newpost

America's 5th Column
Liberals.

Dhimmicrats aren't dumb!
They are anything but; like diabolical, divisive, destructive, deceptive, and dangerous.

Dhimmicrats, those who would surrender to the Islamists, truly believe in the "means justify the ends." They will do anything, say anything, ignore scofflaws (Clintons) and devise whatever scam necessary to achieve their goals - total control of your life and money. They have legions of lawyers and judges arrayed to stifle any investigation and stomp on your rights. Whatever treasons they have been falsely accusing Bush of, they are in fact poised to accomplish.

Is everyone aware that these slugs who control Congress and soon may hold POTUS, are seriously looking into seizing your 401K's to finance their social engineering schemes? Just like the tyrant B-eye-ich in Argentina.

Wake up America, before you end up unarmed, penniless, in a re-education camp, marching in lock step and chanting "All hail Dear Leader, Lord Obama."

If you don't think it can happen, you aren't paying attention to what the man says and does, or else you hate our country and are hoping to be one of the elite.

Most of these pseudo-commies don't have guns - we do.

New Ugly Americans?
Jay,
Your comments about our soldiers being the equivalent of Nazis shows that you are just another ignorant liberal putz. I am truly amazed that you can equate the eradication of a corrupt and evil dictatorship (Saddam) with the advancement of a cruel and evil dictatorship (Hitler). You make me physically ill, go wash up, you smell.

Democrats and America
This is just another example of the vile nastiness and viciousness of anti-American Democrats these days. It's time to clean house.

Country Last
This is just another example of how the left consistently places personal ambition and power before country.

Mandel should ask ...
... why does an attorney want a political office that pays only a mere fraction of what he can earn as a lawyer.

Anti-American...
So many people open their mouth to spew this kind or junk. Think about it, who fights for their right to speak this way? Not them, it is the American Military who puts themselves in harms way to ensure we all enjoy the benefits that come with the American way of life. Our friends and family in Ohio need to recognize this for what it is and stop then in their tracks. Recent garbage has been thrown out there about Sen McCain too. Statements about him giving secrets to his Vietnam captors and how he hasn't come out and said how he will help the veterans. McCain was the model for the Navy core values of Honor, Courage and Commitment. #1 He had no secrets to give...Pilots get briefed mere hours before take-off and are not given need to know information due to the danger imposed by possible capture. #2 We, the retired and ex-military do know how he will help us, it's part of the warriors bond. I do not however know how a lying lawyer who associates with known terrorists, theives and anti American, racist preachers will help anyone. Please help us to keep our American way of life a viable reality for our children and Grandchildren. Keep Obama and others like Belovich out of office.

Not surprising
As a vet, this doesn't surprise me. I've had folks tell me that we (the American people) should leave the soldiers in Iraq without supplies or ammo to let them die there -- that under no circumstances should the soldiers who served in Iraq be allowed back into America. (Yes, I was told this to my face.)

There are a lot of left wing nut jobs out there who hate, not just the military, but each serving member individually -- and they want us to die. Apparently the nut job referenced in this article also hates Jews -- not sure how that will play in his home town, but it wouldn't sell well on a national ticket.

Jay NY @ 08:27
Jay, I know God and his son Jesus and thankfully He is not you. I have seen some really sanctimonious BS from liberals at Towhnhall but this takes the cake. Who are you to judge our Armed Forces serving to protect us. God judges each heart separately. If you cracked your Bible open to Mathew 8, who did Christ say had the most faith in Israel? A Roman Centurion. The Roman Army as a whole were not know for their human rights so how could Christ make such a statement? Because only He can judge us as the Ruler of the Order of the Universe, not you. I believe it is you who will answer for believing you have the right to speak for Him.

No substitute for experience
I voted early and straight Republican.

I just feel so strongly that a veteran with two sons in the Military and a Military Mom will make the best team and best choices for our country.

WOW!!
When Mr. Mandel says that the Belovich's comments come close to degrading the sacrifices of our young men and women, he is wrong.

It hits the degradation of our young men and women right on the head. It is absolutely degrading the military.

That is just a taste of the downright hate and loathing for our military held by the lefists.

The Beloviches confirm the generally held contempt for lawyers and their sleazy tactics.

barbara belovich
Is it just me, or does Barbara Belovich sound like the reincarnation of Martha Mitchell (on the other side of the aisle)?


Jim

Why don't sharks eat lawyers?
Professional Courtesy

Bob Belovich is such a sissy boy..
that his beeeach wife has to go out an do his dirty work, and dirty it is. War Josh Mandel!!!!

Disgusting!!!
This just sickens me! Not only are our men and women in uniform sacrificing their lives, but they are sacrificing their mental health, and time away from family and friends as well. I have been in the military for eight years now. I was activated after 11 September 2001 for 4 1/2 years. I loved every day of service and am still very devoted and passionate about serving my country. I commend Mr. Mandel for his service. He is a brave soldier who deserves nothing but respect.

AWOL means absent without official leave, or abandoning military service. This is far from what Mr. Mandel did. To use the terminology out of context is ignorance!

To Jeff, those comments to you are really disturbing to me. I don't know that I would have been able to contain myself if someone had said that to me. I commend you and the other veterans on this blog for their service as well. I don't think any military member's service should be discredited. At a time like this, to dishonor someone's service is ludacris!

To those who truly believe that soldiers should be left in Iraq and Afghanistan without the equipment necessary, they should be the ones over there risking their lives serving our country without proper the proper equipment.

Hope its not true
But it sure is the pits when the ol' swift boat gets sunk by its own torpedo.

We must all
get together, re-examine what's been going on and re-energize the conservative base of the party. We need to bring morals and values back to America. This is a nightmare we can't let these liberals, democrats, soul less, belief less, democrats weaken the fabric of this nation. We have to bring forth the meaning of "freedom" to our nation.
We are about to be imprisonned by the irrational apeacement policies of the Democrats, by their weakening of our military through the erosion of our Defense. They will silence our tongues, our courts, soon we will have to fight for everything we hold dear. For the first time in our Nation's history, we are being confronted by enemies from within.

Re: The New Change??
Not likely, look this guy is in the same boat as the rest of us who was asked to serve the call to duty and we did and now the Communist Red Left Americans can't understand why we did so!! It is because of FREEDOM YOU CLOWNS!!! Freedom so people like the left red communists out there can exercise their right to abuse it!! It is a sad thing to say this but it is true and guys like Mandel and the rest of us have got to be proud and stand up and say look this is why we did what we did, enough said!!!

Can't sit on both sides
This is a difficult thing for me to say. I am active duty Army and volunteered for multiple deployments and deploying units. I have two Iraq tours and a Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo tour so I definatly support our troops and our missions.

However, if Mr Mandel missed a significant number of votes because he was deployed then I have to say it was fair criticism.

Who represented his constituents while he was gone? Were they taxed without representation? Was he still paid as a representative?

When a person in the Guard or Reserve puts their life on hold and and honors their commitment to serve by going on a deployment or active duty commitment that is a sacrifice for them their family and maybe their employer. On a personal level I feel that sacrifice is worth it.

However to ask an entire community to sacrifice their ability to be represented in the legislature is not fair to those people.

In this case Mr Mandel (I don't know his rank)had a tough choice to make. He either needed to put his carreer on hold and serve his country in Iraq or serve his community in the legislature. I do not believe he could do both.

Now any that know me, know I typically vote Republican, support the troops and will be voting for Sen MCCain so it is tough for me to say anything against Mr Mandel who seems to be a superior individual.

The Dems are wrong to attack his reasons for service or his Service accomplishemnts but should he have deployed and kept his congressional job or should he have resigned from it while serving or got an exception to the deployment are valid concerns for the voters of his district.
Tinsldr2@yahoo.com

Not A Surprise:
This is certainly not a surprise that the Democrats would consider a man serving his country in the military as not doing his duty. After all, they consider anyone in the military as being basically insane for even trying to defend his country. Why do you think they are trying so hard to prevent any of the military from voting?

The Swifties were right!
Only an idiot would compare Mandel situation to the Swift Boat Ads. Kerry lied about his injuries and actions, came home and slandered the troops, spent a career making military life difficult for service members, and then tried to portray himself as the reincarnation of JFK and his very short time on patrol craft as the same as being on PT 109. To this point the swifties have been proven right in everything they’ve said. If there is anything dishonorable about the entire affair it is John Kerry, not the swifties.

Wayne Wrote:
"Country Last
This is just another example of how the left consistently places personal ambition and power before country. "

This is why Mrs. Belovich said "...that Mandel “put his personal ambitions ahead of his constituents.”

It is the only way the Democrats think. Personal ambitions always come first; so if Mandel served his country it must be for personal ambitions. Doesn't every put personal ambitions first?

`How Much Lower Can They Get
Being a veteran from Vietnam, I'm appauld at such crap from the Belovich's. There are a lot of American's that want to serve our Country honorably. If it was for veterans from all wars the Belovich's wouldn't be able to say their BS, they should get down on their knees and kiss the ground for having the rights to be alive in America.. Rather you like the war or not,the men and women who serve our Country are due the RESPECT and not the BS handed down by worthless Politicians. The Democratic Party is so full of self rightous BS, that they are ripping the HEART out of America.

It's because Mandel is a SCRIPTED STOOGE

HERE is what happened, IN 2006, just trying to interview him....

What followed was a sad caricature of just about everything that is wrong with politics in America today.

Josh declined. I tried to change his mind. Emails went back and forth. Josh consulted advisors, who unanimously told him not to do it. Josh then offered to do the interview if he could approve the questions. That, of course, was out of the question. Interview not happening.

Look, if you need to have questions scripted, or approved then you're either not ready or not fit for office - it really is that simple. If you want to skate through a campaign on spin and control - again you're either not fit or not ready for office.


http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/node/1428



Disgusting....Dem.'s
Why should anyone be surprised, they don't care about the Country! It's all about them, it will always be about them....This is very typical of the left and those Dem.'s that hate this country....unfortunately, the people in there own party don't want to see what there politcal party has become?
The wife is a clone of what Obama's (don't say my full name) wife feels about this country as well!!! Don't be surprised, if anything just open your eye's and your ear's....

Peter, n' Grass Valley

Reply to Charles @ 11:40
You're right Lone is definitely NOT a vet--of any US force. Perhaps of Khmer Rouge, or Pathet Lao.

To serve or not to serve
Considering the number of votes missed by the two presidential candidates it doesn't seem as if one could say Mandel is missing that much by missing one year.

I hope, should the democrats take the presidency, as it currently appears will happen, they finally do as they originally promised, with the democrat take over of Congress, and get out of Iraq. Not that I believe that it is the right thing but because my veiws have lost and they should be held accountable for their promises. One of the issues in the next election for republicans will be why Mr. Mandel and the rest had to go back into Iraq because the void will be filled by the bad guys.


No-brainer
Slimy trial warrior vs. United States Marine who puts duty and honor above self, now who should I vote for?

Then again, this is the state where Jerry Springer got elected mayor...

oops
That's "slimy trial LAYWER," sorry

Mr & Mrs Belovich
I certainly hope these two democratic stooges never need defending from Al Queda, Hamas or Hezbollah, as with this kind of hatred they have displayed against our military men and women is disgusting. They are just as bad as the San Francisco clowns trying to get the military out of their city.

Personally I hope if it ever comes to that, our men and women in uniform tell them F.U. defend yourselves! However, I know that would never happen because we have nothing but the utmost of professionals serving our nation. Salute to you all in the military currently and formerly (hey Uncle Rick!!!)


Typos aside,
My bigger issue is what kind of a political party would countenance using a person's military service against him, and what kind of country have we become where the offending politician wouldn't be run out of town on a rail...

Allen from CA and missed votes
While the number of "present" votes that Sen Obama gave in the Illinois State seante is very troubling, and his voting record in the US Senate is spotty that is not the same as the missed votes by Mr Mandel.

While missed votes and present votes certainly say's something about a candidate running for office, the presidentail candidates always had the option of flying back to Washington to vote on key issues. They never stopped representing their constituents even if they did so in a diminished capacity. looking at what issues they thought importnat enough to vote on or sponsor in Congress while running is an enlightening look at what the candidates consider important.

Mr Mandel had no opportunity to return home and vote in his state assembly however important the issue.

When I deploy my family suffers and endures without me. When a member of the guard deploys their civilian business either gets along without them, or highers temporary help to fill the void. However in the case of an ELECTED official with responsibilities of voting no one can replace them. And those sacrificing their right to representation should consider it when they vote.

Let the voters decide.
Mr. Mandel's constituents will decide what they think of his service as a legislator, to include his latest 9-months in Iraq. Did he serve their best interest? I don't know since I didn't live in the district, and Mr. Mowbray's article provides few inputs from a constituent perspective. But I think Mr. & Mrs. Belovich present the most negative take on the matter. As a 30-year disabled military veteran, I do know Mr. Mandel's service is appreciated by countless Americans outside his district...and just maybe a majority of folks inside the district.

Democrats would NEVER
consider the possibility that this man would go to Iraq out of love for his country. They can't understand something like that.
Vote Democrat, because the USA deserves to become a third world Nation.

I am not surprised that
Belovich would bring religion into his race against Josh Mandel. I might have supported Democratic candidates had it not been for the anti-semitism that runs rampant on the left-wing web-sites.

As my Grandfather was the only Holocaust survivor in his family, I have a natural aversion to the kind of thinly veiled bias at the center of Belovich's campaign. It is unnecessary and dangerous.

I find it even more disturbing that a San Francisco-based left-fringe organization is tampering with the Ohio election. As Pelosi has demonstrated, there is nothing in the special interests of San Francisco that adds value in Ohio.

I don't know Josh personally, but he did take the time well before the election cycle to canvass his constituents and ask about our concerns. Never had that happen before.

For Democrats reading
this - please understand that my previous post was sarcasm.

Charles Fl
Obama's civilian Army would be used to silence those who question him, and to squash all resistance, including the revolution that he will surly cause in the USA.

Semper Fidelis
Let's see... Anti-military AND anti-Semitic. Nice. What other good and decent things are they "anti-"?

And this Barbara Belovich is a veritable Martha Mitchell. (You youngsters, look her up.)

Mr & Mrs Belovich purport to be Catholic (from the Nancy Pelosi wing of the Church, no doubt), but it would seem that the Latin phrase "Semper Fidelis" has gone clean over their heads.


Sick,Sick,Sick
Those LIB/DEM are Sick.I'm so sick of them,they are driving me crazzzzzy How can anyone vote for this type of crap. Most of them hate America,Constitution,GOD, Flag, Military,
and anyone that happen to disagree with their
socialist programs.Get those SOB out of my Country NOW;
Doc
Army

charles Location: FL
"Can anyone tell me what this really meansd. The only people I know who could fit that agenda are from VENEZULEA and HAMAS and HEZBULLUAH."

This article sheds some light:


Michelle's Boot Camps For Radicals

http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=305420655186700

Charles and F
To Charles,
Almost everything that Sen Obama say's scares me. The thought of that marxist in office and his waving the white flag in Iraq goes against everything i have dedicated my life to defending.

His Idea for a "Civilian National Security force" sounds like a cross between a national police force and the nazi SS. Just what is this Civilian force there to do?

to F on the PVT Beuchamp thing. In the case of Beuchamp you had an Army PVT passing off falsehoods as truth on a National Column. Of course those who understand the Military attacked him. If he had witnessed ANY of the things he claimed he had the obligation to report them and protection under the whistleblower protection act. he had lots of avenues to include annonymous ones to file a complaint if he believed what he wrote.

A good account of his case can be found out http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/01/scott-beauch amp-new-republic-documents-foia.php to include actual sworn statements in the military investigation of the allegations.

Desperate In Ohio
Desperate GOP. So Sad ... So Sad...

Despicable
Belovich and his wife are despicable. People like these two try to make themselves bigger by standing on top of someone else. God bless Mr. Mandel and I hope he wins reelection to restore my faith in our electorate.

One desperate politician--
Plus one desperate journalist--add up to everything Americans are tired of. When a reservist is given the "option" of going to Iraq or serving the citizens who elected him to look out for their interests--and chooses to abandon him...that's not a democratic thing or a republican thing--that's poor judgement on his part--and he deserves whatever the voters decide.

Imagine another candidate politician trying to get elected by chastizing a military officer in the reserves who decided that his job as a staff officer in the military--was more important than his job as an elected representative to thousands of voters in his home state.

How did this wonk even get elected?


LA Times sitting on Obama Video

The LA Times is refusing to release footage of Obama praising Jew-Hater, Rashid Khalidi.

CALL THE LA TIMES AND DEMAND THEY RELEASE THE OBAMA KHALIDI TAPE TODAY:

Los Angeles Times
202 W. 1st St.
Los Angeles, CA 90012
Phone: (213) 237-5000
Fax: (213) 237-7679


F Location: NY
Why did Thomas Jefferson, who claimed to abhor war and fear standing armies, in 1802 establish the United States Military Academy?

Swifies were wrong then...
and wrong now. That's why your ship is sinking. glubglubglubglub.

Say hi to Sponge Bob down below.

Iraq War Vet's Military Service
I have watched this country's politics for the last 48 years,and I'm NOT surprised by the tactics being used by the Democrats in this year's election(s)!! The Democrats have ALWAYS
used any & all types of smear tactics to win each and every election!! Don't you remember how they smeared Barry Goldwater in 1964,when
they called him "A War Monger"? And how about 1980,when they called President Ronald Reagan a class B actor"? BUT DON'T let ANYONE tell the truth about ANY of their(criminal)candidates!! IF you do you're a racist,bigot,right-wing nut case!! Just look at how far left the Democrats HAVE taken this great nation!! Our forefathers ARE turning over in their graves when they see just how far away from The Constitution the Democrats HAVE lead us!! IT IS TIME WE PUT AN END TO THIS LUNACY!!!! Let us pray for God's guidance,& intervention in the upcoming election(s)!! God Bless America,& Lord Help us!!!!!!!!

OK.... Bulldog74.....
Jerry Springer?....ok, you got me there, but now it's MY turn......naw....I don't want to go into the LIST of those BRILLIANT FOLKS (sarcasm) elected by MASSACHUSETTS now would I?

Al in IL
Subject: Desperate In Ohio
Desperate GOP. So Sad ... So Sad...

How is Josh Mandal being desperate? What Josh Mandal is doing by serving his country as a member of the armed forces is something I have stated before. As a non liberal, Mr. Mandal chooses to serve his country. Had he been a liberal, it is highly doubtful that he'd even given consideration to fulfilling a military servitude. That is not the way of true liberals.

But it is apparent that his liberal rivals are grasping at straws in order to gain Mr. Mandal's seat and willing to play any card available to their disposal. Liberals after all are lower on the food chain than common fresh water leeches.

Perhaps you erred and misread th article. But as a veteran myself, I find the actions by words of both Belovich's in their vision of usurping Mandal's seat repulsive. Perhaps both of them need time to reflect their attack and spend that reflective time in a military environment.

Did any of you
hear the tape made in '95 with Barach Hussein Obama telling the hostess on the Chicago radio station that he believes the Constitution is
wrong; that it doesn't tell what the states and federal government can DO to people? He doesn't like the Constitution that he's already sworn to uphold and defend as a Senator AWOL
for more than two years on OUR dime to pursue his Marxist utopian dream of CHANGE..the CHANGE we now know is to CHANGE our REPUBLIC by hook or by crook, regardless of the checks and balances. This jerk should be given a one way ticket back to Kenya where he can indulge his Marxist fantasies with his CUZ Riale Odinga,
responsible for roasting alive women and children who sought sanctuary in a church. But
it's not gonna bother Obama one bit, since he
is all for butchering babies via partial birth and/or infanticide for the survivors of Induced Labor abortions.

F Location: NY
Why did Thomas Jefferson, who claimed to abhor war and fear standing armies, in 1802 establish the United States Military Academy?

"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security."
Thomas Jefferson: message to Congress, Nov. 1808

Lone #37
Ah...,there truly are none so blind..yadda,yadda.

Every single thing you ACCUSED Mandel of doing is TRUE of Barry Dunham. Too funny.

You all know
that Mr Mandel was darned if he did and darned if he didn't. The DemonRAT party is infested in the elected offices with marxist, self serving slugs who are lower than whale poop in the Mariana's trench. I can't believe that there aren't decent democrats within his district and this country as a whole that are offended by these two pea brains with a combined i.q. of minus 100..not only for the attacks for his military service but for his
religion. I'm an evangelical and I certainly am
offended.
Ya think Barack Hussein Obama's obsession with a National SS is becuase he can't trust our
patriotic military to enforce his Marxist revolution on the American people.

This article sheds some light:
Michelle's Boot Camps For Radicals

http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=305420655186700

Are we really surprised?
Well if Obama doesn't respect the troops ("they are air raiding villages and killing civilians"), why would we expect these Belovich dolts to respect them either. It's kind of like when a Fox producer was trying to get answers from Ayers, Ayers called the cops. Isn't that Ironic, since he tried to kill cops in his "terrorist" days and is not sorry for it.
The Belovich's and Ayers were probably front in line to spit on troops during the Vietnam War too. Sounds like Bobby and Barbie are AWOL in the brains department.

F's claims are laughable
F there is a huge difference between withdrawing troops as conditions are met and withdrawing on a timetable.

It's like saying in 1945 now that we crossed the Rhine and are on the way to Berlin lets stop short and bring all the boys home NOW!

The Surge which was very successful from a military and a political aspect has given the iraqi gov time to start taking control and the Iraqi Army time to develop. These two processes are well under way.

To pull out preciptiously and without careful analysis of which areas we can leave plus the logigistics scraes me because it sends a message of weakness.

OSama Bin Laden claims that he KNEW he could get away with repeated attacks on America because of the way we behaved when we got bloodied in Lebanon in the 80s (Pres Reagan) and Somalia in the 90s (Pres Clinton).

To do the same cut and run in the place Al Q said was the central front in the war against us would do nothing but embolden our enemies. yes that thought scares me.

Now you explain why leaving on a timetable in a rush (one Brigade a month with all out in 16 months was Sen Obama Proposal)as opposed to leaving as conditions are met in a negotiated agreement with the Iraqi Gov (which has its own election cycle)which is what Sen McCain wants is better?

F and his surrender agenda
F there is a huge difference between withdrawing troops as conditions are met and withdrawing on a timetable.

It's like saying in 1945 now that we crossed the Rhine and are on the way to Berlin lets stop short and bring all the boys home NOW!

The Surge which was very successful from a military and a political aspect has given the iraqi gov time to start taking control and the Iraqi Army time to develop. These two processes are well under way but are not yet complete. Why pull out before they are completed?

To pull out preciptiously and without careful analysis of which areas we can leave plus the logigistics scraes me because it sends a message of weakness.

OSama Bin Laden claims that he KNEW he could get away with repeated attacks on America because of the way we behaved when we got bloodied in Lebanon in the 80s (Pres Reagan) and Somalia in the 90s (Pres Clinton).

To do the same cut and run in the place Al Q said was the central front in the war against us would do nothing but embolden our enemies. yes that thought scares me.

Now you explain why it is better to be leaving on a timetable in a rush (one Brigade a month with all out in 16 months was Sen Obama Proposal)as opposed to leaving as conditions are met in a negotiated agreement with the Iraqi Gov (which has its own election cycle)which is what Sen McCain wants ?
Tinsldr2@yahoo.com

"Jimmie Carter" Obama
There is one thing Obama is certain of, however, and that's the need to gut the military and dismantle our nuclear arsenal.

Last year he promised a left-wing pacifist group in Iowa that he would waste little time slashing both conventional and nuclear weapons as president.

"I will not develop nuclear weapons," he said. "I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material. And I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenal."

Proposing "deep cuts in our nuclear arsenal" amounts to unilateral disarmament, and it's suicidal given China's, and now Russia's, aggressive military buildup.

Meanwhile, Iran and North Korea threaten nuclear madness, and Osama bin Laden dreams of unleashing a nuclear 9/11 on America.

to Charles
Please Charles...,it's O.K. You're a better man than F. will ever be.

I do wish that I could transport little F. to an airport where soldiers were returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. Let him spout his skewed views in their midst. "Nuff said.

Pinheads
wouldn't this couple be absolutely perfect guests for Bill O'Reilly!

Bob and Barbara Belovich in Ohio
These two assholes should be tried for treason or better yet sent to Iraq to see what it is all about.

WDM

Proud to be a constituent of Josh Mandel
As a constituent of Josh Mandel, I am very proud of how he has served his country and his constituency. I hope that he wins this race and goes on to Washington as we need new ideas and young blood to make some major changes in the way this country conducts its business. I believe in Josh Mandel and he will have my vote on 11/4.

Reply
This USA Marine has my support, and very best wishes.

http://genietowner-ivil.tripod.com


Obama could not serve in the military!
When Obama was of age to serve our country – he would have been rejected.

"Since June 1988, the U.S. Department of Defense has screened all applicants for military service (including the U.S. Coast Guard) for evidence of marijuana and/or cocaine use as mandated by the National Defense Authorization Act of 1988. Applicants confirmed as cocaine-positive are not eligible for military service for 1 year from the date of screening; those confirmed as marijuana-positive are not eligible for military service for 6 months from the date of screening. Persons who tested positive twice for either drug are not eligible for military service for 2 years from the date of the second test."


Just sent this email to Mr Mandel
I just read the story about your opponent criticizing you for Military service in IRAQ. That person is unfit for office, and I hope you win.

I am about as dedicated a democrat as you can find. I'm canvassing in NH for Barack Obama last weekend and this weekend, I'm a Democratic Ward Chair. We probably have very different hopes for next weeks election. I'm a military veteran and have run for local office before(winning twice, losing once), I know how this kind of seedy whisper campaign works. If you want to beat me on the issues, fine. If my actions bear further scrutiny because of something I've done wrong, fine. That said, to say you were AWOL is a travesty. I know it was only a modest $25 donation, but I hope it helps.


Support for Josh Mandel
I have personally served under Josh Mandel in Iraq in late 2007. I have never had a smarter, more competent and selfless boss. The man is truly dedicated to accomplishing the mission, no matter what obstacles are in the way or whose cage needs to be rattled. He was constantly trying to improve things in the fight while also looking out for his troops. I'm confident Josh Mandel would transfer that modus operandi to his civic leadership responsibilities and would certainly be the best man for the job, despite the attacks on his personal affairs.

Good luck, Josh. And God bless, my friend.

I support Josh Mandel
Josh Mandel did his part for the country, plain and simple. Politics should not be involved here and anyone who wants to politically bash Mandel for serving in Iraq is, well... an idiot. Haha, I didn't know anyone was dumb enough to attempt spinning off serving your country in Iraq as a bad thing.

Bob Belovich, you just lost this for yourself. Good one

Josh,More Strength to You!
My son served with Josh, keeping him safe and mentally stable over in Iraq. They spent months in an area with little food, no running water and no electricity. Living under tremendous stress. I hardly think a politically motivated person would choose this way to grab attention-instead a politically motivated "Wife" would open her trap incert both feet and choke on her high heels! She obviously doesn't get it!
We do! More power and strength to Josh!

America is suffering
America is suffering unlawful deception from the Alinsky group.
Group u$urp$ power on January 20th—the constitution violated.
The United States Supreme Court alone can relieve this outrage.

example: Bogus Selective Service System FOIA Registration?
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_d id_n.html
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