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Monday, July 06, 2009
Jillian Bandes :: Townhall.com Columnist
Politics, Policy and the Future of the GOP
by Jillian Bandes
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Audra Shay of Louisiana has been touring the country for seven months, drumming up support for her campaign to become chairwoman of the Young Republican National Federation, an organization that consists of 10,000 members nationwide.

“The country wasn’t going where I think it should be going,” she said, so she entered the race to try and get YRNF, which limits its membership to Republicans aged 18-40, “back to its original platform.”

For her, that means a renewed adherence to the principles of national defense, school choice, limited government, lower taxes and conservative social values.

Shay differs little in principle with her only competitor in the YRNF Chairman race, Rachel Hoff, who resides in Washington, D.C. But these principles aren't what Hoff emphasizes.

"The YRNF is a grassroots political organization, and our strength is our members and member states," said Hoff.

In other words, Hoff is concentrating on the politics rather than the policy. It's a fine line in a race filled with predictable political rhetoric like "taking the YRNF to the next level" and "working to revitalize the GOP from the ground up"— and one that probably won't attract too much attention, given YRNF's small size and relative influence.

But perhaps it should. The race involves a key growth constituency for the GOP — young people — and the two candidates have come to represent a microcosm of the divisions being worked out in the Republican Party as a whole.

Hoff, 26, is focused on “engaging more of our generation” and “organizing the grassroots to help Republicans win elections again." That focus seems to be on target with the official mission of the YRNF, which calls itself the "premier Republican grassroots organization in the nation" focused on "recruiting, training and mobilizing people" towards the cause.

"I am a Republican, to the core, because I believe in the conservative principles that built this Party and have stood the test of time," she said. But Hoff understands that "it is going to take a broad coalition of diverse Americans who believe in our principles to take this Party where it needs to go."

Hoff wants to increase the GOP's "influence, engagement and relevance" to young people, by focusing on the GOP's weak spots. That includes pitching a larger tent and focusing on technology. She's "weaponized" Facebook, Twitter, and web videos along with sites such as YRNetwork.com and ThisIsMyParty.org to increase young Republicans’ online presence and to catch those who aren't yet politically active.

"New technologies have transformed how we engage voters, how we campaign, and how we identify and inspire activists," said Hoff.

Shay is relatively less experienced with the online world — her hometown YRNF chapter doesn't even have a website — but what she lacks in technological aggression, she makes up for in hard-line rhetoric.

"We must get BACK TO BASICS," reads her online mission. "Those being the basics of Membership, Media and Money."

_________

Shay, 38, is a mother of two and has served 8 years in the military. She's quick to criticize those leaders who are "70% Republican or 80% Republican.”

"Then they demand that we change our platform instead of them adapting," she said.

Shay's criticism of Hoff is manifold.

"She is a moderate," Shay said. "She is pro same-sex civil unions...believes she has the pulse of the youth, and feels as though our party needs to go in a different direction."

"I do believe we need to go in a different direction," said Hoff. "A direction where our leaders live up their stated principles, a direction where young voters can believe that the GOP's message of opportunity is authentic, a direction that pushes our Party into tomorrow with the same conservative principles that have solved the problems of yesterday."

Shay has held more elected positions than Hoff in YRNF, and has done other political work ranging from work on Bobby Jindal's campaign to assisting with the Bush-Cheney race in '04. She is currently the third ranking office in YRNF.

"I bring a vast array of experience that Rachel, being much younger than I, does not. She’s never held a national position, a state chair or a club chair, and doesn't have the experience of being in the military, being married, raising children or paying a mortgage," said Shay. "Just my experience, period, is something that Rachel does not have."

Hoff doesn't see that as a disadvantage.

"I’d rather focus less on titles and more on accomplishments," said Hoff. "She doesn’t have accomplishments to point to as her position as third ranking officer, so I’m curious as to why we should elevate her to first chair."

As YRNF Director of Media Relations Hoff built a media program that put YRNF leaders on most major television networks, winning them 2 million dollars in earned media thus far. Hoff also helped deploy hundreds of YRNF members into swing states in 2006 and 2007 and coordinated a $20 million media program for the National Republican Congressional Committee's media outreach programs.

"When we talk about experience, we shouldn’t be looking for titles, we should be looking for results. And while she has a few more titles, she hasn’t done anything with them," said Hoff.

Hoff grew up on military bases outside the U.S., and was educated at Tufts University in Boston. Shay was born in Arkansas, quit college after her freshman year and joined the Army, where she served for eight years. On her website, Hoff emphasizes her endorsements from Sarah Huckabee and George P. Bush. Shay's website emphasizes her Baptist upbringing and the raising of her two children, 9 and 17.

_______________

The Hoff-Shay showdown comes on the heels of a rather unfortunate episode in YRNF history. The last chairmanship election resulted in a victory for Glenn Murphy Jr., who was ousted less than halfway through his term after an embarrassing sex scandal involving the assault of another man—while he was sleeping.

Shay was part of the team that took over after Murphy left. Despite her deep involvement in YRNF leadership, she still thinks there's still a lot of room for improvement within the organization.

"We believe that there needs to be a new culture and new way to deal with the whole of the organization. We believe it has been kind of a cool kids’ clique, if you will, and we want to be able to bring everybody to the table," said Shay.

Hoff questions whether or not this insider institutional experience life is really what the organization needs most.

"The status quo in this organization is absolutely unacceptable," said Hoff. Barack Obama, 47, took young voters away from John McCain, 72, at a rate of 2-1 in the 2008 presidential election. Hoff thinks that she's the answer to that predicament.

"We’re a forward looking campaign—we’re about vision," she said. "We’re about plans that look for a vision."

Shay currently leads Hoff in endorsements, but Hoff says that she's still very much in the running for the election that will take place at YRNF's National Convention in Indanapolis this week.

"There are a lot delegates in states that have endorsed her that are flying to Indianapolis to vote for me," said

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About The Author
Jillian Bandes is National Political Reporter for Townhall.com
Throw A Gray Wig On My Blonde Hair

I am a fiscally-conservative CONSTITUTIONALIST without party affiliation.

Also, I am a laissez-faire Capitalist Pig, which would make me a member of the original "Party of NO"!

Take Nagin, but keep Jindal here.

Yes, it is strange that a "Frenchie" has blonde hair, but so does my mother. Ain't nothing artificial about it.

John

I am under the age of 40 and wear Chanel in black only. I have a law clerk, who is Gay, against Gay Marriage, and supported McCain much to my chagrin. My best friend is a black social conservative, who supported McCain. Again, I was against her support of MaCain and it is her choice to idenify herself as "black" not "African-American".

I love them and have no problem with homosexuality.

I would not, however, trade my Governor for yours, but I will happily send you my Mayor.

Shalom.

Marketing and Substance
(quote)[Shay is] quick to criticize those leaders who are "70% Republican or 80% Republican.”

"Then they demand that we change our platform instead of them adapting," she said. (/quote)

Watering down & de-emphasizing core principles (easy to do if you don't really buy into them yourself), focusing on slick marketing & tactics to bring in warm bodies, & then trying to pander to what these marginally committed new members supposedly want instead of getting them on board with the program, is a recipe for nominating Doles and McCains who will drop the ball when we desperately need wins. How can you excite ANY demographic if your message is "Me too, just a little less of it" ?

The tea parties are most nearly
with the Republicans, but they now HAVE to be cons. Reps. who do believe in the Constitution,
legal borders, low taxation, less government, strong military and foreign policy, and domestic tranquility.

The Republicans lost their way with Bush' *compassionate* conservatism, which evidently meant emulating liberals with drug ins. added to Medicare (a program already $49 trillion in debt);

education’s No Child Left Behind, which means MORE fed. monies for pub. schools and MORE meddling in a state's responsibilitiesl;

energy legislation like requiring people CHANAGE TAHEY LIGHATBUBLS (who has ever heard of anything so ridiculous for a CONGRESS to be involved in?);

and even touting *global* warming when it has been cooling since before Bush was president.

Hey Fascist John !

Ya mean like Obama's Girlfriends , Louis Farrakhan and The Nation Of Islam,Al Sharpton , Jesse Jackson and The Reverend Jeremiah Wright ?

You're More Of The Same , Diminucrap Crap !

abortion
r both anti abortion ????

Technology
You are not going to get the young unless you use every techno site available this is how they stay connected and how you will get your message to them and their message to you.

young voters
The future certainly belongs to the young voters, but relying on the diseased two party system to correct the current problems is falacious reasoning. The lure of power is too great for even the most altruistic of young congressmen to resist after election. We need a dedicated third party to lead us out of the fiscal, moral morass the has become of our political system. I propose a massive shift toward Libertarianism as the most viable solution.

Curious this is of so little interest to
conservatives:

Audra Shay, vice chairman of the Young Republicans and the leading candidate to be elected its chairman on Saturday, is now the latest in a growing list of GOP officials learning that racism doesn't sell, based on pictures of a now-deleted Facebook page. She wrote:

“This is still America… freedom of speech and thought is still allowed… for now any ways… and the last time i checked I was a good ole southern boy… and if yur a-- is black don’t let the sun set on it in a southern town…”

On Wednesday, Shay—a 38-year-old Army veteran, mother, and event planner from Louisiana who has been endorsed by her governor, Bobby Jindal—was holding court on her Facebook page, initiating a political conversation by posting that “WalMart just signed a death warrant” by “endorsing Obama’s healthcare plan.” At 1:52, a friend named listed as Eric S. Piker, but whose personal page says his actual name is Eric Pike, wrote “It’s the government making us commies… can’t even smoke in my damn car… whats next they going to issue toilet paper once a month… tell us how to wipe our a--es…”

Two minutes later, Piker posted again saying “Obama Bin Lauden [sic] is the new terrorist… Muslim is on there side [sic]… need to take this country back from all of these mad coons… and illegals.”

Eight minutes after that, at 2:02, Shay weighed in on Piker’s comments: “You tell em Eric! lol.”

As we all know, the word "coon" comes the name of the holding cages where black slaves were kept before being shipped off to new owners.

Good move, Repugs -- you are so dependable when it comes to electing candidates for anything.

Gillian Bandes, did you not mention this because you don't care, or because you didn't even know what was going on?

Joseph C.

I enjoy watching the various political youth organizations on C-Span. You get the broadcast unfiltered.

Both groups talk about getting out the vote but what is interesting is the Liberal groups always and I mean always talk more about getting more tax money, more programs, more control of the population. Its a "gimmie gimmie gimmie" fest.

The Conservative groups spend a great amount of their time talking world affairs, national defense, lowing taxes, setting the American people free to inovate and create jobs.

I have yet to see a Libitarian Youth Group. Do they have any? Does C-Span cover them?

Republicans
The only reason I'm currently a republican is because the democrats are worse. Both parties make me sick. And after McCain and his buddies trashed Palin to get back in with the media and to seek a fall guy I'm pretty much done with the party. Not because I'm pro Palin but because I'm anti scumbags. The country needs a 3rd party.

What's really funny about my previous
post is that Townhall wouldn't accept it three times because of the a-- word. Irony of Iornies, the words were actually from the quotes of two conservatives!

Go figure.

Shay's racist comments and her tacit
encouragement of them on her facebook page is something she's discovered isn't appreciated outside of hard right conservative factions, and she removed the page while dancing as fast as she could to explain away the facts.

But let's face it, this is just another sorry misstep that conservatives are too myopic to even understand why it's not so smart.

Just good Ole Boy conservative racism
After "Barack the Magic N---o" and other GOP racial gaffes, a top Young Republican official—who hopes to be elected chairman Saturday—laughs at a racial slur about President Obama.

Here's some advice: lose the radical fringe, or never email, use social media or send out holiday CDs again. You're apparently not ready for technology.

Who woulda thought
that TH wouldn't accept the word n--ro? Especially when it's a favorite term among republican candidates and congressmen?

Hey, TH, this word is in the dictionary. Does it make you uncomfortable?

Read her blogs
Here is an article where you can read her words and what other posters replied. HATE MONGERING....

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-06/n ew-gop-racist-headache/

GOP's Secret Weapon!
Read one of the best blogs on the internet for your true stimulation. This black conservative tells it like it is! He is FUNNY and spot on!

http://theblacksphere.net/site/the-blog/ You will be HOOKED!

Jillian
"For her, that means a renewed adherence to the principles of national defense, school choice, limited government..."

limited government??

Where was Audra the past eight years? She sat and watched while Republican blew out pork-barrel spending from 3,000 to 14,000 annual projects, doubled the size of the Department of Education, implemented ethanol mandates, added another layer of entitlement spending costing upwards of $50 billion a year, sent an army into Afghanistan, started a 100 year social-engineering project in Iraq.....and all of it paid for with tax cuts.

She sat and watched holding onto her precious tax cuts while the Republicans squandered Clinton's surpluses and got America addicted, like crack cocaine, to spending more than she are willing to pay for. She sat...watched, did nothing, and now is the time for the Tea Parties?

Liberals never fail to amaze me.
You whine and whine and call republicans racists, Yet the Democrat party is so obsessed with skin color even a blind man can see that perpetuating the belief that all republicans are racist is the only way they can keep the minority vote.
Liberals claim skin color doesn't matter, but it defines so much of their rhetoric and politics that they are blind to their own racism or simply obtuse.

BeeVee

Actually I have never seen any references to Black voters.

You see when you are a "Big Tent" party you don't divide people into groups.

As you may know the Democrats entire existance depends on dividing people into groups. Its what they do best.

Rich vs poor, white vs black, Taxpayers vs parasites, Gays vs straghts, religious vs non-religious, inner city vs, rual.

Notice when Democrats support a bill it more likely than not intended to benefit a small segment of our society.

Whereas when Gop supports a bill it is intended for everyone. They don't discriminate.

Useless Fabrications
The charges against Audra are meritless and nothing more than a framing and an excuse to destroy the credibility of someone who has been loyal to Young Republicans for the past decade. Unfortunately, Rachel Hoff and her ticket are too attached to the D.C. mentality that has damaged the reputation of our party during the last two election cycles. The Republican party needs to break away from the gamesmanship of the D.C. culture, and electing chartered members of the 'D.C. Way' reinforces our image problem, not solving it.

Most Young Voters are Going with Obama
The vast majority of young voters voted overwhelmingly for Obama and will continue to do so.

It was not about party, it was about him connecting and undertanding their needs.

Obama has a great ability to connect to the people.

It will be hard for a republican to beat him in 2012.

Shame on racist Audra Shay
Audra Shay disqualified herself from the position when she began supporting racism on her Facebook page. When she was called out for it, she defriended the black Republicans who were offended and kept the racist ones. Shame on you, Audra Shay.

George
Wow, if Shay did do that, it goes to show that they have no idea on how to build their base anymore.

Not getting the full story
Audra was not agreeing with racist statements, this is just a diversion perpetrated by politically-motivated folks seeking to keep her out of office. I know Audra PERSONALLY, and I'm very aware of the situation that has been spun out of control unfairly. The article itself by Ms. Bandes in my opinion unfairly characterizes both of the YRNF campaigns. Both campaigns have emphasized growing the party, both through grassroots AND technology.

Audra has lots of experience growing the party, growing clubs, and running elections. She has the support of people like Bobby Jindal. And, as mentioned, she has the support of more states and more delegates.

Joseph C. in PA-Libertarian shift
If you want a Libertarian shift you will have to join the Libertarian Party and help their numbers grow. I did last year in celebration of Independence Day. Big government has been the biggest domestic threat to America and the only party who is SERIOUS about changing that is the Libertarian Party.

The GOP's big tent policies have created this problem. If you bring in people on a wider ideological spectrum they might dare to expect that their views be reflected in their party. I think it's funny the GOP couldn't see that one coming-kind of explains a lot doesn't it?

Everyone complains that going 3rd party is "throwing away" a vote. I think voting for the GOP while it continues to grow government oppressing people with increased taxes and unconstitutional control IS THROWING AWAY A VOTE.

Besides, most people who call themselves conservatives LOVE big government. They insist the taxpayers pay for their child's education, their healthcare and their retirement when they are old. Threaten to eliminate those programs and you will hear conservatives SCREAMING for their entitlements. If we eliminate them and return those tax dollars to them they can pay for it all on their own.

Future of GOP

What the GOP needs to do is stop talking nonsense like "Back to Basics".

What does that mean, "Back to Basics"?

What the GOP needs is a party-wide enema, with replacements that speak in a language that has no sloganeering, no unrealistic goals, and no unrealistic expectations.

Limited government; free market principles; judicial restraint; promotion of equitable and friendly trade with all countries; and common sense budget decisions; promote general welfare, but not provide it; and, the re-establishment of enterprises and philosophies that enhance freedom and liberty for all.

The GOP no longer governs this way. The people running it have no credibility. The party has aligned itself with conservatives who have done nothing but appease and enable socialists.

The GOP no longer speaks the language of those who abhor bigger government. Useless slogans and gimmicky alternatives (did anyone actually read the GOP response to the Democrat's stimulus package?) that serve only to paint the party and ideology in a corner because they are easily dismissed as big government solutions are no way to build a base.

Example 1: Universal Healthcare.

Has anyone in the GOP actually said that the key to lowering costs of healthcare, and provide reasonable prices for treatment, should be BASED ON THE MARKET????!!!!!!

Right. No one in this party has done so.

That's my point.

as grandma and grandpa die off
the GOP becomes the Whigs or Know Nothings. No one with a college degree from a legit college is a conservative.

Misrepresentation of Fact
Bandes article is the most one-sided article I have ever seen on Townhall, and I am very disappointed in their decision to post this. I am involved in Young Republicans and know both candidates well. Audra's comments were taken completely out of context and she issued a statement regarding this, which of course was completely left out of the article. This was a political move by her opponents to attempt to steal an election, which is not the first time they have made a move like this. This type of misrepresentation tears apart the Republican party and Young Republicans and moves the focus away from the real opponent... Democrats! Next time you are going to post an article Bandes, get the facts.

I know a lot of young people
and Sarah Palin is a joke to them.

COLDPLAY IDIOT
I know a lot of young people
and Sarah Palin is a joke to them -
HEY COLDPLAYLOVER, this is YOUR fault for not teaching them any better. If you are not teaching children any better, then you probably don't believe in conservative values to begin with, therefore you do not belong here at American Thinker!

LOL
COLDPLAYLOVER
Location: PA
Reply # 1
Date: Jul 6, 2009 - 2:42 PM EST I know a lot of young people
and Sarah Palin is a joke to them.



Palin is a joke to a lot of old people too.

Coldplay IDIOT
Are you capable of an original thought, or do you simply cut & paste the thoughts of others (since you obviously have none of your own). Please grow up - maybe you can get a collge degree, too... but I doubt it!

Re: COLDPLAYLOVER, reply #30
quote: "as grandma and grandpa die off
the GOP becomes the Whigs or Know Nothings. No one with a college degree from a legit college is a conservative. "

Interesting statement, since in 2004 Bush won among college graduates, and Bush himself had degrees from a top Ivy League undergrad (Yale) and arguably the best MBA school for post-grad (Harvard).

Of course, if you define "legit college" as an accredited institution, then yours is also quite a ridiculous statement.

My own degree is in chemical engineering, with honors, from an accredited institution, and I'll be glad to put my academic record up against anyone's. I personally prefer the description of "free market capitalist" to "conservative", but however you look at it, I trust individuals to know what's best for themselves and their families, not the government.

Sure wish you had been a week earlier...
Jillian, sure wish I would have read the above prior to attending those tea parties this weekend. I met several fine young Republicans and would have enjoyed Ms. Hoff and Mrs. Shay with them.

The one thing I see in this article which seems to stick out a bit too loudly for me...

Neither of these young ladies seem to be able to articulate the true meaning of conservatism.

And, one thing I seem to notice when meeting with some of these young Republicans this past weekend, they seemed to be hesitant to openly declare themselves real American, Ronald Reagan type conservatives the way Ralph Hall, and others up on stage were doing.

However, I did see several stand and cheer when the subject was brought up.

I figure they simply need to be reassured by us older, more mature Republicans that neo-Marxist un-American libturds such as old ColdPlayLover below certainly do not speak for the majority of America.

As usual, most informative piece. Thanks.

American
"Has anyone in the GOP actually said that the key to lowering costs of healthcare, and provide reasonable prices for treatment, should be BASED ON THE MARKET??"

Republicans will not say it because they do not believe in it.

Take for example. It was the George W. Bush administration and the Republican-controlled Congress who added the $50 billion a year Medicare Prescription, Part D program, while absurdly claiming it would only cost $40 billion a year.

When someone in the Congressional Budget Office wanted to inform Congress that the program would really cost $50 billion a year, the Republicans fired him.

This additional spending program was a handout to the pharmaceutical companies, on the backs of the American taxpayer.

A year later, President Bush campaigned about the looming crisis in entitlement spending. What a joke, this just after the Republicans had tacked on yet another entitlement spending program, paid by dumping the entire cost onto the national credit card.

Do you think an American should be able to shop for drugs in Canada or Mexico if that's what they want to do? The Republican party says that is criminal behavior. Talk about nanny-staters!

The Heritage Foundation has now come out and said that this program will cost $800 billion in its first ten years of implementation.

coldplaylover
"I know a lot of young people
and Sarah Palin is a joke to them."

Joe Biden is a joke for the same reason Coldplay is: Plagiarists both of them.


Useful Idiots
"Actually I have never seen any references to Black voters."

Shay's facebook page was out there for everybody to read, are you really so out of it that you don't think that the words "coon" and "n---ro" don't refer to Black Voters? How old are you?

You can also read it on the link Sarah provided.

I still think it's really funny that Town Hall will permit the use of the word "coon", a derogatory and racist slur if there ever was one, but not the word "n--ro", which is an established part of the American Lexicon.

For that matter, how old are the people who run this site?

ZippityDoodyHaed, the truth is...
zapdoodat .................. Location: MA
Date: Jul 6, 2009 - 3:38 PM EST American
"Has anyone in the GOP actually said that the key to lowering costs of healthcare, and provide reasonable prices for treatment, should be BASED ON THE MARKET??"

Republicans will not say it because they do not believe in it.

Take for example. It was the George W. Bush administration and the Republican-controlled Congress who added the $50 billion a year Medicare Prescription, Part D program, while absurdly claiming it would only cost $40 billion a year.

When someone in the Congressional Budget Office wanted to inform Congress that the program would really cost $50 billion a year, the Republicans fired him....
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Truth is, when the entitlement you mention was created the Republicans held a slim lead in both the Senate and the House, and they had a rather squishy President who was being forced to play along to keep the military funded.

Your suckbuddies in the neo-Marxist un-American DumboCraphead Party were all, to a body, 100% willing to go along with any new spending. Thus, it only took a couple of RINO's to pile this tiny little $50 billion dollars (by relative measure to what your DemwitOCraphead suckbuddies have spent in the past 150 days)on us.

So pleaes, report into your nearest DNC for a fresh breech loading up the old keester. Your current schtik has become rancid and stinky.

Caprock2
"Republicans held a slim lead in both the Senate and the House, and they had a rather squishy President"

You must be a card-carrying member of the Republican party. I guess George Bush(R) was a victim as President from 2001-2009.

Denny Hastert(R) was a victim from 2001-2007 as Speaker of the House.

Trent Lott(R) was a victim as Senate Majority Leader from 1995-2001.

Bill Frist(R) was a victim as Senate Majority Leader from 2003-2007.

One wonders why Republicans even run for office?


What does TH consider tasteless?
Spook, jungle-bunny, raghead, spade, Spic, Guinea, wop, Pollock, Kike, sheenie, Hebe, Blue gummer, Dago, Bohunk, Border bunny, Bush-Boogie, Bushnigger, Camel-humper, Chigger, Christ-Killer, Dune Coon.....

But N--gro? How liberal!!!

Let's see what makes it through.

Score all
Why am I not surprised?

BeeVee, whatcha smokin??
BeeVee ........................ Location: LA
Date: Jul 6, 2009 - 3:54 PM EST Useful Idiots
"Actually I have never seen any references to Black voters."

Shay's facebook page was out there for everybody to read, are you really so out of it that you don't think that the words "coon" and "n---ro" don't refer to Black Voters? How old are you?

You can also read it on the link Sarah provided.

I still think it's really funny that Town Hall will permit the use of the word "coon", a derogatory and racist slur if there ever was one, but not the word "n--ro", which is an established part of the American Lexicon.

For that matter, how old are the people who run this site?
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Not sure what you are smoking, since you claim to be from Louisiana, yet claim the word "coon" to be exclusivly used as a derogotory term for a black folks??

You must be from the northern border of Louisiana if you never heard the term "CoonAz z" being worn by fair skinned folks from south Louisiana with just as much pride as many of us southerners wear the "redneck" label you northerners like to stick on us.

ZippityDoodyHaed we all smell you...
zapdoodat ................. Location: MA
Date: Jul 6, 2009 - 4:07 PM EST Caprock2
"Republicans held a slim lead in both the Senate and the House, and they had a rather squishy President"

You must be a card-carrying member of the Republican party. I guess George Bush(R) was a victim as President from 2001-2009.

Denny Hastert(R) was a victim from 2001-2007 as Speaker of the House.

Trent Lott(R) was a victim as Senate Majority Leader from 1995-2001.

Bill Frist(R) was a victim as Senate Majority Leader from 2003-2007.

One wonders why Republicans even run for office?
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We all can smell what you're squirting out the old poop chute, but when might you offer something of substance??

So long as this is the best any of you NObama worshipping neo-Marxist un-American libturds have, there's a good chance we can save America beginning in 2010.

To Caprock from Earth
When the word "coon" and "n--ro" are used as synomyms of each other, they are meant to designate the same thing.

Moron.

"coon"
Here was the statement that gained Shay's approval on the net: "We need to take this country back from all of these mad coons… and illegals.”

"Coon" comes from a term baracoons (a cage) where they used to place Africans who were waiting to be sent to America to be slaves.

Look it up, country boy.


Caprock2
"We can smell..."

Fine, then let's take an even closer look at George Bush's 'Reign of Error.'

"The following is an excerpt from Governor George W. Bush's 2000 'American Dream' GOP Party Platform:

"Over a five year period, as surpluses continue to grow, we will return half a trillion dollars to the taxpayers who really own it, without touching the Social Security surplus. That's what we mean by our Lock-Box: The Social Security surplus is off limits, off budget and will not be touched. We will not stop there, for we are also determined to protect Medicare and to pay down the national debt. Reducing that debt is both a sound policy goal and a moral imperative. Our families and most states are required to balance their budgets; it is reasonable to assume the federal government should do the same. Therefore, we reaffirm our support for a constitutional amendment to require a balanced budget."


Lets' take a look at what happened eight years after the speech.

1.) Under George W. Bush the DJIA lost 20% over his eight year 'Reign of Error.' Under Bubba Clinton the DJIA tripled.

2.) Alan Greenspan said in his book 'Age of Turbulence' that in 2001 there were 'surplus's as far as the eye could see.' Now, guess what, we have deficits as far as the eye can see. (my words)

3.) In January 2001 it took 78 cents to obtain one Euro. After the 'Reign of Error' it took 140 cents.

4.) When the two oil men stumbled into the White House on January 21, 2001 the price of a barrel of oil was $22. Last summer it was a disgraceful $140 a barrel.

Let's face it the Republican party has done a better job at bringing America to its knees than Al Queda.

Yo BeeVee...
BeeVee Location: LA
Date: Jul 6, 2009 - 4:17 PM EST To Caprock from Earth
When the word "coon" and "n--ro" are used as synomyms of each other, they are meant to designate the same thing.

Moron.
====================================

This is not what your response offered. Thus your openly admit to being the classic neo-Marxist un-American libturd.

You clearly stated, the word "coon" was exclusively a derogatory shot at black folks. I proved you to be a lying sack of ka,ka.

BTW: How much are you, ZippityDoodyHead, Sarah and your other left wing suckbuddies getting paid by your messiah to excrete this stench of nothingness??

Oh, Caprock
I love it when you talk dirty to me - especially in your backwoods, classy style -

Unfortunately, my volunteer hours at the local AZ home are already booked. You're going to have to seduce somebody else - try a different sex.

wise Latina woman
"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male..."

-- Sotomayor

She repeatedly made that racist remark over the years, and won't apologize for it now. Yet all the Republican politicians who called it "racist" have had to apologize.

That is the double standard which is the US now. Most racist comments are treated so seriously that the speaker is run out of public life. Yet a racist statement against whites or males is ignored or even praised by the government. Sotomayor will be rewarded with a Supreme Court seat.

Vote for SHAY.......
Shay is what the Christian-Conservative-Republicans need. Hoohoo needs to join the RINO'S....she seems perfect for them. Our policies and platform should not change to accomadate the DEMONcrats and people who do not share our CHRISTIAN heritage and beliefs....
In Christ,
Danny B.Joyner
Brewton,Alabama
JOHN 3:16

Vote for Shay?????
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-06/n ew-gop-racist-headache/ I don't if anyone had read this? I just don't understand why some republican voters or wanna be leaders are involved in questionable behavior when it comes to race and immigration. Why are we tolerating ppl with kind of views

BeeVee

Like I said, I watch C-Span. Not roam around people facebooks or blogs. To me thats akin to stalking.

I don't care about these peoples personal lives or opinions. I care about what direction they want to take the country. How they feel about the constitution.

But consider this. Nobody was a bigger racist than JFK or LBJ. But both saw a need to improve the lives of Black folks.

Racism takes many forms. A racist can be ignorant, A racist can be full of hate, a racist can be believe black are inferior but still entitled to the respect and dignitiy of any human being.

So just because a person is a racist does not mean they are a bad person. It just means they are a racist. Nothing more.

I would like to know how they deal with their racism before passing any judgement.

The base
It's all about conservatism.

Young
and dumb is widely heard and said because it's widely true. Of course, there are those who refuse to grow up as they grow old, ie., liberals. Someone alluded to the Whig party of old. I think it is time for one party to depart, its just difficult to tell which one. The Rep party is abysmally disappointing. But judging from the conservative representatives on TH its no surprise. There is little agreement and very little cohesion.
'If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and repent and turn from their wicked ways..." The former chair of the YRNF tried to bang a guy in his sleep?! It's no wonder the loony left holds us in derision! Is there NO man who can keep his pants up anymore! Apparently the only group of people with a working brain and an ounce of decency in this country anymore are the Amish!
If our choices are a veritable child who is ok with abortion
and a grown woman who is neanderthal enough to suffer anyone calling another American a coon
we don't have any choices.

Audra Shay - Future of GOP
Another racist young Con ...

Watching From Mars:
I am a dyed-in-the-wool, Religious Right Jewish Christian, ultra-conservative, Reagan Republican. I do not, under any circumstances, approve of racial or religious slurs. In the party that did more to emancipate slaves and bring equality to African-Americans (study your history) such behavior does not belong and should NOT be tolerated!

"And that's the way it is."

The GOP's bleak future
GWB and the GOP Congress are to blame. There was no accountability for the Iraq debacle (though many different types of conservatives were opposed from the beginning from Ron Paul, Brent Skowcroft to Pat Buchanan). The GOP forgets that we were promised that the war would cost nothing since the oil would pay for it (this is a non-debatable point). The GOP lied about WMD and the non-existent connections to 9-11 and Iraq. Lawrence Lindsey was fired in 2002 for having the temerety to suggest the cost might be $100 billion -- now we are at 2 or 3 trillion. So, fiscal responsibility is out the window for the GOP -- the dems would have to do so much harm to forfeit this.

BeeVee, need cheese to go with that...
BeeVee ....................Location: LA
Date: Jul 6, 2009 - 4:54 PM EST Oh, Caprock
I love it when you talk dirty to me - especially in your backwoods, classy style -
...
====================================
...whine??

What real American conservative is the least bit surprised at the lying we see all these NObama worshipping neo-Marxist un-Americans like BeeVee or her fellow libturd suckbuddies offering these boards?

BeeVee claims to be from Louisiana, yet has proven clueless as to what a "CoonAz z" is. For you see it's a use for the word "Coon" that has nothing to do with a persons skin pigmentation.

BeeVee, do you northeastern yankee WASP libturds need some brie to go with that whine??

Religious Right Jewish Christian???
Donald ................... Location: OH
Date: Jul 6, 2009 - 10:16 PM EST Watching From Mars:
I am a dyed-in-the-wool, Religious Right Jewish Christian, ultra-conservative, Reagan Republican. I do not, under any circumstances, approve of racial or religious slurs. In the party that did more to emancipate slaves and bring equality to African-Americans (study your history) such behavior does not belong and should NOT be tolerated!

"And that's the way it is."
============================================

Not sure what that is Donald??

And, I suspect a black man in the US will never experience true equality until the day comes they refuse to allow the DumboCrapheaded Party of America to get away with holding them up as an equal but hyphenated-American.

For donning the hyphen will forever make them some percentage less American than folks such as myself who refuse to don a hyphen with our Americanism.

BeeVee:
Actually, if you study your history, you will find that the Southern Democrats have been more to blame than the Republicans for the egregious treatment of the black man. In the Deep South, they still refer to black people "neg__es". The KKK was founded by members of Southern Democrats. It was Democrats that were largely responsible for the infamous "Jim Crow" Laws.

Yo TinyDick2008....
TD2008 ......................... Location: KS
Date: Jul 6, 2009 - 10:06 PM EST Audra Shay - Future of GOP
Another racist young Con ...
=========================================

Before you pinheads go to drizzling the above from between your buttcheeks, perhaps you should know a fact or two:

Well known Klansmen who are/were members of the Democratic Party are:

Hugo Black USSC Justice
Sen. Robert "KKK" Byrd (D-WV)
David Duke

Also keep in mind, the Democratic Party is the only Party to ever allow a known Klansman to attain a national level seat/s.

The political home party of the Klu Klux Klan to this very day is the Democratic Party of America.

These are facts you simply can't dispute.

So please, just because your party of racist has managed to pull the wool over the eyes of a bunch of 10%-Americans doesn't mean you've fooled any of us real Americans who refuse to don your hyphens.

Hey guys
To people blaming the Southern Democrats for racism. The Southern Democrats are todays neoconservative Republicans. You see when LBJ started the civil rights act they became mad at the Democrats so they left the party and became Republicans. It goes all the way back to the Civil War and beyond.

The evidence is with Audra Shay and the people who commented on her facebook. Bragging about being southern and racist and Audrey laughing about it and condoning it. and Booby Jindal condones this crap and he's not even white? hahaha I can't understand how a person who is not white would be apart of the Republican Party at this time. You can be a conservative but a Republican? Come on....


Zapdoodat
The reason for the Republican Party's insistence to the purchase of drugs in America is two-fold.

1) To product Patent infringement which is often the case with drugs which are copied by or sold from outside of the country.

2) Insisting in the purchase of drugs in this country is for the benefit of those who derive their livings from the sale of said drugs, namely, the pharmacists.

The word is barracoon moron...
BeeVee .................. Location: LA
Date: Jul 6, 2009 - 4:22 PM EST "coon"
Here was the statement that gained Shay's approval on the net: "We need to take this country back from all of these mad coons… and illegals.”

"Coon" comes from a term baracoons (a cage) where they used to place Africans who were waiting to be sent to America to be slaves.

Look it up, country boy.
====================================

...and it has nothing to do with the word "coon" being used as a racial slur.

You post something this ridiculous, then call other folks moron??

The correct spelling of the word is barracoon.

bar·ra·coon (bar'?-koon')
n. A barracks in which slaves or convicts were formerly held in temporary confinement.

No mention of the word "cage". Once again BeeVee caught lying.

I suspect the only way BeeVee knows anything about the word "coon" is due to something she was breech loaded up the old keester with.

Caprock2
"BTW: How much are you, ZippityDoodyHead,"

OK...fine..let's look at the Republican Bush philosophy that got us here.

It's not just the spending, it's the separation of taxing and spending. It's the whole philosophy of 'cutting taxes and spending even more.'

It's the philosophy of lax oversight of the financial industry. It's the philosophy of privatizing the profits while socializing the losses.

It's the neo-con philosophy of social-engineering in the middle east.

Yo Gooffrey...
Geoffrey ............... Location: FL
Date: Jul 6, 2009 - 11:05 PM EST Hey guys
To people blaming the Southern Democrats for racism. The Southern Democrats are todays neoconservative Republicans. You see when LBJ started the civil rights act they became mad at the Democrats so they left the party and became Republicans. It goes all the way back to the Civil War and beyond.

The evidence is with Audra Shay
=======================================

The only "evidence" in the pantload you deliver above must still remain in the vacuum between your ears...

Al Gore's father never became a Republican. Robert "KKK" Byrd never became a Republican. Both were big southern DumboCraphead leaders who fought LBJ tooth and nail.

It was the Republican Party who helped LBJ get the Civil Rights Amendment pushed through Congress. The Yellow-Dog DumboCrapheads have not deserted the party to this day, shy of the fact they are dying off in large numbers fortunately for America. And, this actual evidence shoot holes thru the caracass of your foolish squirt.

All of the former DumboCrapheads I've met who are now Republicans did so because they had sense enough to understand what being ranked the #1 most libturd member of the US Senate actually means. And, they knew this title never has, or will be held by a Republican.

Any of you who agree with what Goofrey or any of his libturd suckbuddies offer, while believing yourself to be a real American had best seek out the true definitions of conservative vs libturd quickly. Your nations survival depends on it.


Palin for the kind of change we want
Governor Palin has sounded the trumpet of liberation. She is now free from nuisance ethics charges, all of which have been dismissed as frivolous or non-founded, and freed her state from the bruising costs of partisan attacks. She will no longer allow her state’s wealth to be depleted in foolish litigation, nor deflect the governance of Alaska to be focused on issues that have nothing to do with the success and prosperity and governance of that state.
She will be free to travel and spread the conservative message to those who thirst for integrity and the spirit of service, not power-grabbing, in government. She will be free to speak outside the confines of her state without being subject to petty, vicious attacks from within that were designed to hamstring and thwart her resonating message.
Palin has shot up the flare for Liberty and invites the like-minded to rally around the flag to act on their convictions.

You Liberals will rue the day that you forced her out of governing her great state of Alaska, and freed her up to be the pit-bull that wears lipstick to coin her own phrase. And guess who the pit-bull has her sights on.

Whether she runs for President or not remains to be seen, but one thing is for sure, she is a star and can gather a crowd to raise tremendous funds for our country’s cause and for the candidates of her choosing. She will be in incredible demand on the campaign circuit. And guess what?, you put her there. So eat crow Liberals. Your day of reckoning is on the horizon.


O'Reilly Factor today...
O'REILLY DESPERATELY TRIES TO MAKE PALIN SOUND LIKE A GENIUS

And Karl Rove tells him its the dumbest thing any serious presidential candidate could ever do...

Poor Loofa Billo...

TD2008 the liar
For those of you listening to the Huffer, here’s a news flash.

The abruptness of her announcement and the mystery surrounding her plans has fed widespread speculation. But Palin attorney Thomas Van Flein on Saturday warned legal action may be taken against bloggers and publications that reprint what he calls fraudulent claims.
"To the extent several websites, most notably liberal Alaska blogger Shannyn Moore, are now claiming as 'fact' that Governor Palin resigned because she is 'under federal investigation' for embezzlement or other criminal wrongdoing, we will be exploring legal options this week to address such defamation," Van Flein said in a statement. "This is to provide notice to Ms. Moore, and those who re-publish the defamation, such as Huffington Post, MSNBC, the New York Times and The Washington Post, that the Palins will not allow them to propagate defamatory material without answering to this in a court of law."

You can read the rest at



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/04/palin-links-resi gnation-higher-calling/?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r1:c0.139440 :b26212952:z0

Yo ZippityDoodyHead
zapdoodat ................. Location: MA
Date: Jul 6, 2009 - 11:22 PM EST Caprock2
...
OK...fine..let's look at the Republican Bush philosophy that got us here.

It's not just the spending, it's the separation of taxing and spending. It's the whole philosophy of 'cutting taxes and spending even more.'....ZippityDoodyHead
=======================
Nice try, but your messiah has already committed us to more total spending in just the past 150 days than what G.W. Bush spent in the past eight years.

So, if your messiah's ties the taxing back to his spending, I hope all Americans are prepared to drop their pants bend over and grab their ankles.
---------------------

It's the philosophy of lax oversight of the financial industry. It's the philosophy of privatizing the profits while socializing the losses.....ZippityDoodyHead
=======================

Oh please Zippy, are you the only person who failed to view the YouTube presentations of your (literal) suck buddy Bawny Fwank and Chris Dodd openly telling the Republicans who were supposedly in charge, to keep their hands off Fanny and Freddy.
--------------------

It's the neo-con philosophy of social-engineering in the middle east. ...ZippityDoodyHead
=====================

In fact this reveals to all how little you know about what or who a conservative is. New conservative or old conservative like me all know that social engineering anywhere is not conservative. I suspect given a couple of your bullets here, you aren't an American.

Donald
"To protect Patent infringement which is often the case with drugs which are copied by or sold from outside of the country."

These drugs are made in the USA. They are then sold into Canada at five times less than the price here in the USA. Are you saying Americans should pay more for the same drug than the Canadians, Europeans or Japanese and that's it's the responsibility of the American government to enforce that?


"2) Insisting in the purchase of drugs in this country is for the benefit of those who derive their livings from the sale of said drugs, namely, the pharmacists."

It has more to do with 'rigged' markets that put Republican-donating company's interests ahead of the American taxpayer.

Caprock2
In reference to a certain query as to why any self-respecting black man would care to be a Republican, I suggest you check out:
http://theblacksphere.net/site/the-blog/

Religious Right Jewish Christian??? Have you never hears of a "Messianic Jew"? Our faith is based on two major points:
1) In Hebrew the word for salvation is 'yeshu'. Jesus' name in Hebrew, 'Yeshua' means 'salvation (savior).

2) Yeshua, according to the the Torah (Penteuch in Greek), and the writings of the prophets, clearly point to Yeshua as the Hamoshiach (Messiah or Lord).

I admit that because I am a Jew, it should seem strange that I would choose to be a Republican. Because of a physical condition I live in a skilled nursing center. Even my roommate, who is a staunch democrat, agrees with me that Ronald Reagan was one of the best leaders that the nation has seen in many years!

I was taught that it is best to refer to a man by whatever title he chooses. If his desire is to be called 'African-American, then so be it! Or, If an American Indian wishes to be called a 'Native American', then who am I to argue the point with him (or her)?

By the by, my father was born in Mobile, AL and raised in New Orleans, LA, I guess that qualifies him as a southerner. I grew up in the same house as a man that bigotted to say the least. That does NOT mean that I had to accept his opinions.

Caprock2
"Bawny Fwank and Chris Dodd openly telling the Republicans who were supposedly in charge, to keep their hands off Fanny and Freddy."

Wow, when those guys talk you get all weak-kneed, eh?

You can't believe how gutless you sound.

Let's say in a few years the economy gets worse. Now we all know that Hussein is President, Nancy is Speaker of the House and Harry is Senate Majority Leader.

But if we concoct some statement that John Boehnor or Eric Cantor said that can be twisted into 'keep your hands off' of fill in the blank. Then it's all Boehnor's or Cantor's fault.

You are a gutless, feckless weasel!

Caprock2
"Nice try, but your messiah has already committed us to more total spending in just the past 150 days than what G.W. Bush spent in the past eight years."

Are you kidding? Speaking of commitment how much are the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan going to cost us in the future?

Bush and the Congressional Republican majority added another entitlement spending program in 2003 that according to the Heritage Foundation will cost $800 billion in its first 10 years of implementation.

What entitlement has Obama passed?


Devil is as devil does...
Yo..zapdoodat...calulate for me if you can what the selling price of a $100.00 item would be if it sold for five times less as you stated drugs (They are then sold into Canada at five times less than the price here in the USA) from Candada do. Can you do that for me boy huh huh huh?

As for the Republican party's future, it has none in my opinion.I am a conservative former member of the Republican party. I now shun it. Repub devil, Dem devil, a devil is a devil.

They may gain congressional seats by default in next years election but they won't win them..The Dems will lose them...which is how the Dems got them in the first place...they didn't win seats in '06, the Republicans lost them from lack of base support. Next years elections should be a cake walk in my opinion for a legitimate opposition party...the Republican party isn't such a party. I repeat, in my opinion there is NO future for A "big tent" liberal light party which is what the current Republican party is and what the current 'leadership' of the party think it should be. Ideally next year should be a "throw the bums out" election year but fat chance of that happening given our current pool of voters. So there you have it..We are doomed to be a one party philosophy nation whether we like it or not.

re: Geoffrey, #65
quote: "To people blaming the Southern Democrats for racism. The Southern Democrats are todays neoconservative Republicans. You see when LBJ started the civil rights act they became mad at the Democrats so they left the party and became Republicans. It goes all the way back to the Civil War and beyond."

Hmmm, let's see, more Republicans than Democrats voted FOR the Civil Rights Act, so it wouldn't make much sense for Democrats to change over to the side that was the bigger supporter of the CRA.

Oh, and "neocons" were actually the former leftists like David Horowitz and Irving Kristol who realized that Socialism didn't work and moved to the right, albeit keeping their big government sensibilities.


re: Geoffrey, #65, cont.
quote: "The evidence is with Audra Shay and the people who commented on her facebook. Bragging about being southern and racist and Audrey laughing about it and condoning it. and Booby Jindal condones this crap and he's not even white? hahaha I can't understand how a person who is not white would be apart of the Republican Party at this time. You can be a conservative but a Republican? Come on...."

As someone who knows this situation and Audra personally, I can assure you that Audra was neither laughing at NOR condoning any racist talk or behavior. The story did not happen the way it has been presented, and it has been deliberately misrepresented and exaggerated for political reasons. I know first-hand this to be the case.

Nice bob and weave ZipperDoodyHead
ZippityDoodyHead ........ ..... Location: MA
Date: Jul 7, 2009 - 12:08 AM EST Caprock2
"Nice try, but your messiah has already committed us to more total spending in just the past 150 days than what G.W. Bush spent in the past eight years."

Are you kidding? Speaking of commitment how much are the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan going to cost us in the future?

Bush and the Congressional Republican majority added another entitlement spending program in 2003 that according to the Heritage Foundation will cost $800 billion in its first 10 years of implementation.

What entitlement has Obama passed?
=======================================

Are you truly this ignorant ZipperDoodyHead, or truly this un-American???

What entitlements?? Well how about your messiah's government strongarm takeover of the nations largest financial institutions?

How about your messiah's strong arm takeover of two of the nations largest auto makers?

How about your boys move on taking over one fifth of this nation economy known as socialized healthcare??

Come on, get your head unplugged from your sphincter.

You disprove nothing I offered, with the poo poo of nothingness we see in your above.

Why racism becomes you
Few conservatives are really willing to consider serioiusly why they should be racists. Racism is surely a traditional belief and value, widely shared in American society, and found, in one form or another, in all societies. As a part of the tradition of a country, it is something that conservatives should seek to maintain.

The idea of ending racist laws and policies has nothing at all to do with conservatism, and everything to do with the agendas developed and pursued by the ideological left. American conservatives used to know this. That's why Bill Buckley, most of the "National Review" conservative icons, and the crew at "Human Events" were intransigent in their opposition to all of the demands of the civil rights movement and to the federal court decisions and laws passed regarding legal segregation. A few of today's conservatives keep this legacy alive, but very few indeed.

So any young conservative who is in tune with racism is actually reaching back toward basic conservative values, and should be supported.

no takers on the GOP spending
OK, the Iraq war spending (coupled with the failure to kill/capture Bin Laden for 7+ years) caused a very serious hurt to the GOP -- while not initially (it was positive through 2005 or so). If you have a reckless policy based on lies and sloppiness, you will get bad results. Of course, most "conservatives" also care little about the Iraqi Christian community (which had numbered in the millions) was devistated between 2003-8. Shouldn't somebody been responsible for that? This group lasted over 1000 years -- only to be nearly wiped out in 5 years. Lack of accountability for the GOP is very bad.

more on GOP damage under GWB
The medicare drug bill was a huge disaster -- and a handout to big pharma. The VA already had a model program -- but one that would not give huge profits to drug companies and private insurance companies. So, the GOP (without regard to cost or those who would benefit) created a confusing system where no bargaining of drug prices can occur. By the way, the insurance company benefits (policy to policy) varry a huge amount -- and change from year to year. Unless you worked as a regulation writer by an insurance department who part time studied in a pharmacy program, the benefits from plan to plan will be very confusing. Also, since you cannot exactly predict what drugs you may need in the next year, the whole idea of picking a plan which works for your situation is a silly fallacy.

2 down, more to go
So, the GOP not only spent the money on Iraq and failed to get Bin Laden (which hurt them on the spending and military/defense issues that used to be GOP dominated issues), but we also had a very bad presciption medicare bill (really no more than a naked profit program for drug companies since adopting the VA's program would have been easy and cost effective). While the GOP did these 2 things, it also gave up on immigration (at least GWB did). Rove (who W listened to) thought that "Hispanics" (those who really were targeted were ethnically American Indians from Mexico not the generic Spanish speaking person) would vote in high numbers for the GOP. The GOP never before got huge numbers of votes from poor illiterate groups of people who are law breakers (I used to think that was a good thing) -- and never will. The Dems are way better at handouts and preferential treatment programs -- so while you might get 2 or 3 times more "Hispanics" as a percent to vote GOP than blacks, you still at most get about 30-35% of the vote -- far less than 50% as a break even.

3 issues, more to go
So we have Iraq/Bin Laden, Medicare/big pharma handout, and immigration. Immigration not only was stupid and wrong -- but GWB and his willing aids and supporters had the temerity to suggest that it was racism to enforce immigration laws (and not have amnesty). It is no surprise that W thought that there were certain jobs that no American would ever do -- because he is (and always has been) a lazy slacker who never really tried hard work in his life. Even with immigration/illegals, there are lots of jobs that illegal Mexicans won't perform for $1 per hour -- does that mean that we should bring destitute people from India/China to do this work? The GOP forgets about the actual costs of law breaking very poor immigrants coming to the U.S. (see California's immigrant driven budget problems).

3 continued, more to go
Amnesty had so many devistating aspects to it -- yet because of bad leadership the consensus today is that it is "racist" to be against it. Way to go W. Of course, there are costs to it (hidden to the farmer or the builder or restaurant owner who wants to pay $5 per hour) -- so the rest of us pay for healthcare/prisons/schools/bilingualism/welfare/code enforcement. The immigration issue ties to something that the GOP should have done and did not. It could have tried to end preferential treatment and "diversity" -- certainly a "half effort" occured (and Alito and Roberts were critical for the Ricci case) --but no leadership articulated how bad this is. Plus, the federal government should have stepped in and prosecuted the parties responsible for the Duke lacrosse travesty. W and his administration did not care much about this stuff, so it was placed on the back burner -- though we really may have had a chance to end it (now, I kind of doubt that it will end in the next 40 years).

4 down, more to go
So, last we saw how the GOP failed to use any of its good will to make a serious effort to end "diversity"/preferential treatment/political correctness. In fact, GWB helped hurt those who stood up to these programs by suggesting that those who were against amnesty were racist. On issue 5, GWB and the GOP failed to take the lead on the medical cost situation in this country. Falsely, many of the right claimed that tort reform was the answer -- but tort reform had little to do with the costs (just check out the my Supreme Court's website on how few med mal cases succeed). Health savings accounts were another stupid idea -- only very rich people (who don't need such accounts) would ever save the several hundred thousand dollars some serious conditions cost. Lack of leadership on this did actually destroy 2 of 3 American car companies. It was a lie (and always was a lie) to blame unions for this. Our system was to blame -- we want employers to pay health care costs -- that is what these retirees go (something that the GOP always champions).

more on issue 5
Health care could have had some free market solutions (albeit ones that the modern GOP would never agree to). If I were czar, I would have rescued all 3 auto companies by paying the costs of retiree health care. It was govt policy that helped cause health care to go up the last 30 years way higher than inflation -- and pushed business coverage for medical costs -- and our policy destroyed a once proud industry. That is the whole reason that American car companies workers "cost" so much (they actually earn no more than employees of most foreign auto companies). Also, the GOP should have made it illegal for hospitals/providers to charge more for a private person than an insurance company. Some procedures literally cost insurance companies one amount and a private person 10 times as much. So, effectively it is impossible to not have insurance. Also, it is immoral for the govt to pay for poor people to have free healthcare, but not cover middle class people. I could go continue on this point -- again the lack of leadership on this by the GOP actually caused harm -- and nobody buys into the idea that health savings accounts make any more sense than a self-funded life insurance plan (which like HSA will not really be enough money if you are unlucky).
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