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Wednesday, April 16, 2008
Jerry Bowyer :: Townhall.com Columnist
James Madison to America: This Is What We Warned You About
by Jerry Bowyer
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As a Pennsylvania voter, I’m particularly fascinated by the identity politics that I see playing out every day before my eyes. It’s kind of ironic, since this is the state in which the founders met in to write a constitution which they intended to protect their posterity from the destructive effects of political factions. They warned us about the destructive power of political fanaticism. Not only has the modern Democratic Party failed to heed those warnings, but it has spent the last 40 years writing factionalism into its internal party rules. Identity politics may have worked for Democrats, from time to time, in the past. But now that the two leading candidates hail from different officially recognized racial, age and gender groups, the party is over. To quote Mr. Obama’s pastor ‘the chickens have come home to roost’.

James Madison wrote a pro-constitution editorial (known to history as Federalist 10), that described in prescient terms precisely why political factions are dangerous. When there is liberty, he argued, some men will create more wealth than others. Property and class factions are the result. Members of these different economic classes are tempted to pass laws which help themselves at the expense of the overall public good. Over time this excessive self-regard distorts the gift of reason and causes people to think and speak in ways that seem strange to the country at large.

Ambitious men with rhetorical skill exploit these factions, rising through them to positions of power. In fact, these ambitious men need factions in order to gain what they want. Groups of politically alienated voters are ideally suited to a demagogue’s desire for power and prestige. The narcissists and the fanatics feed one another.

Over time factions tend to move farther and farther away from reality as the reason-destroying power of fanaticism intensifies. Washington, following Madison’s lead, warned us in his Farewell Address that the power of party (his word for faction) tends to create convulsion and ‘false alarms’; that is social unrest and bizarre warnings about phantom dangers.

According to Madison, eventually factions can gain so much power that they are able to promote laws which destroy the liberty of other citizens. For instance (and these examples are his, not mine) they may erasing debt obligations, or impose trade restrictions in order to protect certain interest groups from foreign competition, or perhaps impose special taxes on the numerically small propertied classes . Both Madison and Washington also warned future generations about the role of foreign powers in this process. Faction leaders often identify less with America than they do with their country of origin. For all of these reason, factions should be discouraged, and their effects minimized, said the men who met in Philadelphia.

As I write this, I’m less and less clear whether I’m writing about Philadelphia in 1788 (when the constitution was implemented) or Philadelphia in 2008 (as I see it shredded). You probably are too. Last month, Barack Obama initiated his Pennsylvania campaign by giving a speech in Philadelphia on race in America. Ironically enough, that speech was delivered at the National Constitution Center, across the street from the place where Madison and Washington and the rest issued the Constitution of the United States, a documented explicitly designed to rectify the factionalism to which America has been so vulnerable. My National Review colleague Byron York was there and spent time talking with member of the audience. Over and over again, he found, not people who were satisfied that Barack had sufficiently distanced himself from Rev. Jeremiah Wright, but people who agreed with Wright in the first place. The comments of Obama supporter, Gregory Davis seem pretty typical, “I wasn’t offended by anything the pastor said. A lot of things he said were absolutely correct…. The way he said it may not have been the most appropriate way to say it, but as far as a typical black inner-city church, that’s how it’s said.” There in a nutshell is the problem of faction, one group speaking about the nation as a whole in levels of hostility which are simply incomprehensible to the general public.

It’s not just race and gender, it’s also age. My mother, who has come out of retirement to help the Northampton County Department of Elections deal with the overflow of new voter registrants told me that the cards she sees are overwhelmingly registering as Democrats and they are overwhelmingly coming from college students. Do you have any doubts about who those students intend to vote for?

The factionalism of interest group also spills out into what the founders called ‘sectionalism’, that is factions which correspond with geographical divisions. The sections now are less a matter of upper and lower then they are a matter of toward or away from. City,/suburb/exurb has replaced Southern state/border state/northern state as the sectionalism of the 21st century. Philadelphia belongs to Barrack; the southeast suburbs are battleground counties, and Pittsburgh’s industrial west belongs to Hillary.

In other words, Pa Democrats like their brethren around the country, are tearing their party apart along race, age, gender and geographical grounds.

Who can blame them? Democratic voters are just doing what they’ve been trained to do – they’re thinking of themselves as members of factions. Over and over the Democratic Party has rewritten its internal rules to assuage the anger of unsuccessful political factions. This pattern started after the rioting at the 1968 convention with the McGovern-Fraser commission. Delegate quotas were established based on age, race and gender. Party caucuses were structured in ways that favored organized activist groups.

The rhetoric followed the rules. Jesse Jackson articulated the new arrangement perfectly in the Democratic convention of 1988 when he likened his party to a quilt made from individual patches of cloth, stitched together by his grandmother. On their own, they could not expect to rule, ‘your patch is too small…’ he told them each in turn. But sewn together women, blacks, latinos, and unions could take the nation.

Al Gore articulated it inadvertently when he bungled the motto from the Great Seal: E Pluribus Unum, which he translated as “from one, many”. It is, in fact, the opposite “from many, one”. His Latin was pretty weak, but his ability to translate the mood of his party was spot on.

What, if not factionalism, lies at the heart of Hillary’s ‘its tough for a woman out there’? What, if not factionalism, lies at the heart of Obama’s church with it’s the-government-intentionally-created-Aids-to-kill-black-people paranoia and its Afro-centricity?

Step by step, the warnings of Federalist 10 have been trodden underfoot, until finally age, race and gender have moved from the edges of the party to its very center. Delegate quotas, activists-dominated caucuses, the replacement of winner-take-all with proportional delegate systems…even proposed fixes such as super delegates and front-loaded primaries, are all fruit which comes from the same poisoned tree – the rejection of the founder’s vision of a nation protected from factionalism.

G.K. Chesterton once said that if you find a boundary stone in the middle of a field, and you don’t know why it’s there - don’t move it. For the past four decades the party of Jefferson has been moving the ancient boundary stones. This year’s Democratic primary chaos stands as a monument both to the arrogance of the generation of 1968 and the wisdom of the generation of 1788.

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Every Once in a while
Town hall prints a winner. This is one of them.

Instead of all the ad-homminum baloney here is an article that presents the problem in the light.

The only problem is that there are so many dingalings on this site they probably can't follow the article or that won't bother to finish reading it because it isn't loaded with sacrcasm and cynism.

Excellent article

The GOP is no better
What with the old-school Robert Taft conservatives, the neo-cons, the religious reich, and other factions.

17th Amendment
I agree with king-of-baawa's comment that the GOP also has its factions (though I hope the reference to the "religious reich" was a typo, and suspect it wasn't).

So what's to be done?

The larger problem is the breakdown of the founders' limits on the federal government. This breakdown can perhaps be traced to the 17th Amendment, which required popular election of Senators.

State appointment of Senators was an important part of the Constitutional system of checks and balances. There is little or no natural interest among the three branches of the federal government to limit that government's own aggrandizement. The states, however, have an incentive to preserve their autonomy within their sphere of influence, by limiting the scope of the federal government.

When the Senate was more or less beholden to the state governments, it could act as a check on federal power. No longer.

Not that I think we'd get much traction behind a proposal to repeal the 17th Amendment.

Also the 16th Amendment...
Agreed, GG-AZ. Right now I don't see the college-age voters letting go of the "hope for change" intoxicant in favor of serious consideration of the moral value of the mechanisms of our government. That traction might better be found in about twenty years when this new generation of voters begins to learn they didn't already know everything, and may make an attempt to undo what they are presently trying to do. Let them grow up, achieve something, and then have their socialist political benefactors take an increasingly large chunk of what THEY earned, and maybe the activist in them will rise up again and do away with the witholding of income by the federal government.

This article is
so correct it scares me.

Julz, I just pray that 20 years won't be too late!

Sorry, JGP
but I didn't finish reading your comment because it was loaded with "sacrcasm and cynism".

By the way, I assume you meant sarcasm and cynicism?

A citizenery....
A citizenery (sic) gets the government they deserve.

Who said that? Someone wiser than the present crop of dummies we have to deal with.

If Obama gets into office with a crazy democratic congress.... pass the ammunition.

don

JPG
So you agree with the writer, but you immediately choose to characterize posters on this web site as "dingalings." How enlightened. Also your syntax and grammar, not to mention your spelling shows you must be a recent college graduate. R shuld I say gradateue, er, gradaute, or whatever.

Many of the Founders also believed
that this would be the last experiment in human governance. And that it would fail as well.

Of course they overlooked globalism. But that's another story.

Good thoughts
GG-AZ writes: 7:27 PM
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So what's to be done?

The larger problem is the breakdown of the founders' limits on the federal government. This breakdown can perhaps be traced to the 17th Amendment, which required popular election of Senators.



When the Senate was more or less beholden to the state governments, it could act as a check on federal power. No longer.

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And no doubt has had some detrimental influence.
But think about this too.
The Federal Government employed no more than 50-100,000 people before 1933.

They could not expand with no money to expand, and had been limited in the methods to collect taxes.
Since 1933, the power to tax has changed, and now we have over 22,000,000 Federal Employees.

You cannot pay that many people under the tax codes that existed before 1933, but only with the tax codes of today, and the access to unlimited amounts of money the printing presses allow.
Through the partnership of banking and government.
Leaving the Constitutional money out of the picture, gold and silver.

It was the 16th Amendment that done this, not the 17th.
And all the manipulation under that Amendment that has gone on now for 100 years.


Sorry, 17th Amendment-bashers...
... but I'm not in tune with the idea that we need to restrict the voting liberty of American citizens. We need more liberty, not less.

Let's start by, say, doubling the number of House districts, making each district smaller and thus the Representatives closer to the voters.

talent scout
You, sir or madam, or miss are an astute of the root of the problem we face: we once were a federal republic, we are fast becomming a unrepresentative democracy ruled by a mob that even Caligula and Nero would envy. That is why they want to abolish the Electoral College, as they have abolished the state's right to appoint senators, granted the vote to non-property owners and expanded the federal behemoth beyond anyone's recognition. I won't be alive to see the result but like RR I believe in the intelligence of the people. What we need are honest politicians. I know, oxymoron, but RR exemplified the honest politician, and he was only the second one in my lifetime. Barry Morris Goldwater was the first. There is always hope.

For the Dems...
...it's a case of "the chickens coming home to roost." They deserve each other.

Where are the men who love liberty?

The problem is more than ‘the rejection of the founder’s vision of a nation protected from factionalism’. Madison’s thesis assumes a consensus among the people of the necessity of a limited federal government to secure their God given rights to life, liberty and property.

These are the men who chose their own pastors and soon claimed to choose their governors, and the self-ruled congregation became the self-governed municipality. The base of education and self-government spread until all men could be free. [Will Durant on the Reformation from his History of Civilization]

Most of the factions today share an ideology based on the autonomous wisdom of men which is opposed to constitutional government by the people. They have no concept of personal liberty under limited government because they have no basis for self-government. Their priority is not to secure the rights of life and liberty, but to establish equality by an intrusive and expanding state.

Some of the factions among the religious right would see a return to the wisdom of colonial America that lead to a rebellion against tyranny and the advance of liberty among nations. They believe that the Bible is the source of this wisdom and that Biblical Christianity is essential for men to learn to be self-governing and self-denying without coercion.

Liberty apart from Biblical Christianity is not sustainable as taught by the history of the French Revolution and the history in the making of the modern West. Imagine what men like Patrick Henry would say of their country today. What happened to our men? Where are the men who love liberty?

JGP got
soundly corrected. Noted and taken to heart.

I tend to agree with John Galt
and Jutz with a few of things thrown in. I don’t think the 17th Amendment is the problem per se. I think it is a combination of problems. First was the 14th Amendment which really was intended to protect the freed slaves from discrimination in court. Then came the 16th amendment which gave the federal government the power to finance itself without going through the State governments. Then came a runaway and biased SCOTUS who used the bad wording of the 14th Amendment and a manufactured interpretation of interstate commerce to justify all kinds of federal power grabs.

Factionalism in the political parties is not the problem either. At the present time there is little difference between the parties. Folks there are two ways to fix this problem. First is the Constitutional route which would be to hold another convention to strengthen the present Constitution and do away with the harm caused by the SCOTUS and the second is revolution.

Vic writes:
' Folks there are two ways to fix this problem. First is the Constitutional route which would be to hold another convention to strengthen the present Constitution and do away with the harm caused by the SCOTUS and the second is revolution.'

I agree there are darn few choices but the first choice should not be to hold another convention. With all the power mad loonies on the political scene we most likely would end up with a Constitution that we would not want. Given that I believe the first choice is to stir up the American people to demand our representatives and senators follow the constitution or throw them out of office. We need someone like Newt to be the leader of this discussion and make it reach both Ds and Rs.

The first choice would take a lot of work and would be slow. Revolution would leave scars that, like the Civil war, might be worse than the cure. My dad used to say what we really need is a benevolent dictator that would reconnect our country to the Constitution. I initially thought he was expressing his anger but the older I get the more sense he made. Not to put him on a plane with Madison et. al. but he and our elders have lived it and often times intuit the answer. Problem is where do we find the benevolent dictator?

Jerry
It is certainly "Ironic", that you bring up Madison at this time and not Jefferson.Your discussion about party "Factionalism" is irrelevant and borders on being intentionally misleading.The truth about "Factionalism", is that it permeates through "ALL" of politics.President Jefferson warned Americans about Commerce and the possibilities that lie within.Possibilities of;Government takeovers,creating WAR,corruption of domestic life,and eventually total control of all living.As we look at "US" today,these are my concerns,not party "Factionalism".The argument,that you introduced,leads "US" back to yesterday.I want tomorrow's arguments,TODAY!!!

Problem,
Madison saw the problems but with the foresight he had he probably saw the constitution in and of itself unable not prevent it.

Men in their selfishness are way to strong. The constitution is designed for men who are able to govern themselves first. Those who govern themselves see the dangers in themselves and that allows them to see the dangers in the world around them. People who are given over to selfishness delude themselves into thinking they are governing themselves. That delusion is projected on the world around them. That is what I think is the import of the article.

Republicans have that problem also but Democrats seem to have less constraints on the problem. When you confuse what you want with what is right, well, you're confused.

Regardless, the meek will someday inherit the world. The meek are those who've gained the victory over that delusion.

How does Rev Wright say it?
Oh yes, "The chickens have come home to roost." The democrat party has so emphasized identity politics and factionalism, they are now living and dying with it. Instead of working to present this country as a vast acerage of opportunity, not perfect, but great, they have instead always been looking for the next victim.

Even the great uniter- to- be, Obama, is discovered dealing in "the typical white person" and "bitter" working class gun and religious fanatics.

From the beginning, I was waiting for Obama and Michelle, to cry out "Look at us and consider the opportunities that made us rich ($4 million this year)and well educated. You also can use these opportunities, white or black. Join with us and help us make this country even greater.

My first comment
on this post were wrong to make along with lousy writing. I stand duly corrected by Grumpy and 3wire.

JGP

Same story, History repeating it's self
I recently finished reading "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" and am about done with "the Wars of the Jews and the Destruction of Jerusalem" .
As with so many other historical books about fallen nations and civilizations they always fall from within due to internal conflicts. See also the book "When Empires Die"
I think the Jews killed about as many Jews in internal conflicts as were killed by the Romans. If they had been united they might have had a chance of preventing the Romans from totally wiping them off the map.
I know for a fact if the Romans had not been so busy killing other Romans they would never have been defeated by the barbarians and later the Muslims.

I can see now how easily it would be for America to break down into open warfare between the different classes.
Most people would laugh at the idea of it happening here, yet it is happening all around the globe as we speak and you would be hard pressed to find an occupied path of land anywhere on the planet that has not experienced internal bloodshed.

The Democrats are more concerned about the next election than the long run stability of this nation. Multiculturalism is just a way to break the people into different warring factions.

A thousand years from now people reading about our history will be asking themselves how could we have been so stupid as to work so hard to lay the groundwork for our own self destruction.

Deacon
The reason I don't think that the first method is possible is that the current congress and crop of politicians have got the laws so slanted to benefit them through the so-called two-party system that there is no chance of significant reform through laws that return us to the Constitution or through appointing justices who will return us to the Constitution. Just look at who winds up as candidates for president nearly EVERY election including this one. We have Democrat/Communists and Democrat-Lite. We have become the old Soviet Union with a one party election; the Republicrats or Demopublicans, whichever label you prefer.

Love Madison!
Fantastic, thank you Mr. Bowyer!
I’m glad to see someone else hammering away at these goons with a little of Madison wisdom. The people are forgetting why this nation became and are making the same mistakes the every ignorant, selfish collective makes that brings about repeat consequence.

Town Hall has been putting out some excellent philosophy as of late. Thank you all both writers and bloggers!

Jslissm
Let my words be hear. To have TRUE FREEDON it must start from within in the form of Love for one another. We were born with a free will to choose, but as a people we have slowly allowed those in authority without that love to put us each in a little box. With every law passed there is a price to pay. Is the price for that law (freedom lost) worth paying.
Our elected officials have passed the laws to the advangage of their secret agenda. It fits them, to heck with what it does to the little, weakier, poorer neighbor/counrtyman. Money is not the root of all evil, IT IS THE LOVE OF MONEY that is the root of all evil. We chose the path as a country by listening to the lies told us and allowing laws to be pass to control free speach, (example of that control FCC)
Where are the valiant for truth and liberty, in the box, control.

jgp
You are soooo right. There are far too many dingalings on this site. Pleeeeeze make one less and LEAVE!!!

To Multiply, Let's Divide
That's the precept of the Dem party. There really is no core guiding principle, other than individual grievances, which bind the party. From disparate, factionalized clumps of disgruntled, frustrated, angry and "life (ain't)fair" types, the Dems., draw their base. With such an unstable base, individual clump grievances can never be fully addressed or resolved. Quite the contrary. In order to remain viable, the Dems., must continually stoke those grievance clumps. Please, Please Dems., look at your angry selves and ask, just as your model and savior did, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

jgp
ok, I posted before I read the entire thread of responses. You have recognized and admitted the errors. Welcome back!
See...us conservative types are understanding folks.

Precedent, looking for the last word
If the United States Constitution can be manipulated and rewritten, we have no such thing as the last word on any of it.

All we have is the last word of some man who sits in a position of power to decide what is the law and what is not law.

Like say, Congress and the Supreme Court and the President.

If none of them have to swear an oath of fidelity to the US Constitution AS IT IS WRITTEN, or worse, ignore what it says, and the people do not care, then we do not have a Constitutional Government.
What we have is whatever Government the last man who holds the power in government tells us it is.

This is what we have today, in my opinion
We are not close to being a Constitutional Government as it is written.
Nor do we have "Equal protection of the Law."

We do not have that, cause we do not have EQUAL ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW.


VIc
I understand your dismay over our current situation. It seems like the more things change the more it stays the same.

The problem is we the people have not remembered that we are the rulers of this country. Not politicians or judges. A leader with the mindset of leading us back to a strong adherence to the Constitution is a much better solution to our problems than opening up the Constitution to revision. What would we change? If they wouldn't follow the first Constitution why would they follow the next or the next?

It is time that we the people took our country back or we will witness the end of a dream.

Don't encourage the lose of hope. Rather encourage the belief that we the people can do anything we decide we want to do. Lose of hope makes us slaves but the belief in our strength makes us leaders. And Americans are leaders.

To far gone
I look at the problem and I believe it is too far gone to fix the problems at hand with any changing of the constitution. The only people able to change it are the people skewing it in their favor. I believe to make any change in this country we need an unbiased media. Until that time we will always have such a large number of brainwashed people in this country we will not be able to change what is going on, but only be able to continue on. That continue will only lead to straight socialism and possibly communism.

If the media was unbiased we would have already won the iraq war and probably wouldn't have any of the current presidential candidates up for election. The media is crippling this country much faster than the government is. Im not sure why they don't just publish the truth. But no, they must input their agenda. What are they gaining?

Political parties are one problem, but one of many. with political parties you do not get people in office by believing what they think is right for this country. Instead people get in solely based on riding along with their party. Just think if we had 100 senators with each of them individually thinking for themselves. We would get a much better group of people in there. There are some, but few and far between.

Currently
I am reading the Federalist Papers. Im only through 8 so I did not read what he was posting about, though I did already know much of what he wrote. For any of you conservatives out there, you should make sure to read them, they are quite long so give yourself time. To find them go to GunnyG's blog and find one on his reading list. He has a link to them. I would post the link here but Im at work and can't get to his blog.

John Galt writes:
"Sorry, 17th Amendment-bashers but I'm not in tune with the idea that we need to restrict the voting liberty of American citizens. We need more liberty, not less."

You mean we need more "sub-prime" voters such as were created by the 17th., 19th. and the 26th. Amendments?

Morality Matters
JimP was on the right track with his 9:11 post. Why did Adams state that our constitution would work only for a moral and a religious people? Because when selfishness and the love of power and money take hold of our hearts, then we get what we have today - politicians who could care less about the greater good as long as they stay in office and get rich, and an uniformed, spoiled electorate demanding more and more government largesse. Jefferson was so prophetic when he wrote: "Experience has shown, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power, in time, and by slow operations, [will] pervert it into tyranny."

Perhaps the most disappointing development over the past several decades, has been that the Republicans have all but abandoned the moral and religious principles that our founders held so dear. (Democrats chucked them even earlier.) Repubs and Demos are now pretty much the same, squabbling over a few things like abortion and the war on terror, but jointly spending money like drunken sailors and growing the size of government from huge to gargantuan.

I also agree that a constitutional convention would turn into a disaster as public interest groups spreading around huge amounts of money would corrupt everything. That leaves a violent revolution, the First/Second Coming of Christ (depending if you are Jewish or Christian), or both. God save America, as we are clearly incapable of saving ourselves.

To even consider
Allowing a law breaker off the hook from the law that was in force when he broke that law, is illegal.

Our entire Congress has entered into an illegal debate about what to do concerning illegal immigration.

Making it outside the law of the land itself.

A. 1
S. 9
C. 3
No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.


Its illegal to make an ex post facto law, which is what the debate about illegal immigration is trying to do

Hard not to be a cynic
Madison did the best job he could to restrain Government, given mankind’s inherent shortcomings. I believe some of his peers rightly predicted that the Constitution could not survive except in the hands of a “moral / religious” society. So forget that. Now it looks like we are somewhere in the “abundance / selfishness / complacency” stages of civilization, on our way back to “bondage” – as Alexander Tyler saw it.

I think Atlas’ shrug is overdue.

Destruction of The Middle Class.
In my opinion our leader's, and the congress are the only ones capable of making the proper constitutional changes that may be needed and they have no intention of doing so. They along with our current president have tried to Ram Amnest through congress and down the american peoples throats and so far have been defeated.
Thus again in my opinion they have changed their tatics and have taken a page from american history, and are using the same strategy used by our government to defeat and destroy the Indian Nations. They simply destroyed the American Bison and reduced the native americans to the Those To Be Ruled Status. They are presently employing the same strategy by turning a blind eye to the illegal aliens, refusing to enforce the immigration laws, and fight to bring in another 165,000 Tech Worker's. If this continues sometime in the near future the Middle Class will cease to exist due to lack of employment offering decent wages. That will be similar to the destruction of the American Bison. Also they will have no political weight as they will also cease to exist as a source of campaign revenues and thus we will return to the same status the people enjoyed the day before the signing of the magna Carta. That will be a two class society of the Ruling Elite, and those the are Ruled.

fed reserve act
GG-AZ writes: Wednesday, April, 16, 2008 7:27 PM
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gg, finally some people who understand the true intention of the constitution and the right of states.

unfortunatel, about this time, woody wilson [the ultimate WORST PRESIDENT EVER]pushed for the federal reserve act to stiffle competition in the banking sector and turn on the presses.

the 16th amendment was also passed the same year.
actually, this doesn't smell like an amendment but a perversion. how can 1 word in the body of the constitution be changed to give law to the opposite meaning and intention?
if we put the phrase we the people . . . do 'NOT' ordain . . .

well you get it.

adios
Harvey
Lancaster, Mexifornia
Greater Aztlan
dial 1 for english

would the constitution be void?

karoden writes: Thursday, April, 17, 200
sorry, but the demise of the bison was not wholly due to people shooting from trains.
the real story is that the indian finally had the upper hand in the nomad war. i.e. a horse, a rifle.
prior, hunting was on foot. the bison were most successfully hunted on foot by driving the herd over a cliff or into a boxed canyon or . . . fires were used alot to direct bison into canyons or into washes, arroyos.
and the indians of the east would also burn down woods to drive animals to a successful hunt.
the argument that indians acted different than other herder/nomad peoples of the earth is just not supported by research. as any other nomads chasing the herd, you killed as many animals as you could to ensure full stomachs. everyone worked. everyone contributed. everyone ate. no concept of kill only what you need was never part of the survival plan of any primitive tribe. this was a 20th century invention for school children to read.
the bison would probably have reached extinction in 2 more indian generations max.
fences, farms, game hunting, hide trade only hastened the bison demise.
i could also fill you in on polluted lakes, campsites, shore lines that had ALL primitive hunter/fisher/gatherer cultures constantly moving to escape their trash (kitchen middens).

what the obama/wright government has in mind for america is: boxcars. and i don't mean dice. if you do not support and pay their social justice tax for reparations to afrikan-americans to the tune of 1 million usd each, you can ride with me.

adios,
Harvey
Lancaster, Taxifornia
dial 1 for english

Are We Doomed...
For those who still don’t understand why so many Americans have become disgusted with the politics of today, they need look no further than the current primary campaigns. However, this is nothing new; it has been going on for about 40 years. Our political system itself is now so corrupted from special interest groups and pandering to political correctness that it may never recover. This is wrong and if not corrected, will continue to cause this divided country much pain and divisions in the future. Our forefathers never wanted nor envisioned the political nonsense of today.

This political season is very disturbing; I do not like any of the Republican or Democrat presidential candidates. This election will go down to the wire, with each one of us having to choose between the lesser of two evils. But, to cast the most informed vote in the most important election in our lifetimes, it is essential that we know and fully understand the strengths and weaknesses of each candidate. Your vote does count and you should be voting for the candidate that best reflects your values and views of what makes this country so great and unique. Remember that this uniqueness is truly a reflection of its people and what they stand for.

On September 11, 2001, our nation was brutally attacked by extremists who had no respect for their faith or the rule of law; and hoped to vanquish ours. Surely we are better than that and we should make that crystal clear to the world by exercising our rights and voting. “We the People” must stand-up for what is right and voting speaks loud and clear. “We the People” must take back America, else we a doomed to losing it.

May God continue to bless and watch over her and our troops!


ValiantForTruth
Liberty and christianity are polar opposites, for the latter teaches unquestioning obedience to a tyrant.

Those like me who love liberty know that we must discard both god and government. Only then can we have liberty.

pov
I think it's incorrect to say factions on the Right are the same as those on the Left. Through each "faction" on the right you will find common threads of Liberty. No so with the Leftoids.



Deacon - 2:38 pm

You don't mean lose, but rather loss, right.??.

Check with Webster's. Sorry to climb on like this but you should want to know the correct word and spelling.

Lose is a verb and loss is a noun. The loss, not the lose.

Knight of Bassakwards

Your name says it all. How so like you to be confused or are you just confusing.

onceabassackwardsmarine
Your name says it all. How so like you to be confused or are you just confusing.

Hint: when you don't try, I don't try.

Now then: how about you actually deal with what I wrote--or is that way beyond your intellectual acumen?

This is rich, really, really rich
Jerry Bowyer can't bring himself to call for an end to the income tax----an exercise in class warfare, faction building, envy.... generally the Socialists dream tool of redistribution, yet he dares to quote James Madison and Federalist No. 10, suggesting factions are bad.

Which is it Jerry?
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