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Thursday, November 01, 2007
Jerry Bowyer :: Townhall.com Columnist
The California Fires: Where were the Looters?
by Jerry Bowyer
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Editor's note: This piece originally appeared in Human Events.

Did you see any looters on television last week? Neither did I. When New Orleans was flooded two years ago, there were looters all over my TV screen. Men with assault rifles waded through the streets menacingly. At first, I thought I was looking at footage from Somalia, but I looked at the crawl underneath the images - it wasn’t Somalia; it was Louisiana.

What about the rapists? There were rapists at the refugee camp formerly known as the Superdome, but did you see any reports about rapists at Qualcomm Stadium last week? I didn’t. Did the mayor of San Diego cuss and then lash out at George Bush on your TV screen last week? Did Governor Schwarzenegger cry for the cameras? Did he pass the buck?

San Diego had a major fire just four years ago. Did they wallow in their victimhood and demand more government funding? Did they play the race card, claiming that George Bush just doesn’t like Mexicans?

The answer to all these questions is ‘no’. Here’s why: culture matters. San Diego is an entrepreneurial city. It’s a technology savvy, business-friendly region with unusually high rates of self-employment. Few of its citizens are unemployed; few receive welfare. Not many of its employed residents work for government. San Diego has seen its share of troubles. Like Pittsburgh had been a steel town and Detroit had been a car town, San Diego had been built on the defense industry. But when the Berlin wall came down and the defense budgets dried up, it shifted towards the next big thing – biotechnology. These changes have come from the bottom-up; from the marketplace.

New Orleans isn’t any of those things. We can romanticize things all we want. I lived in New Orleans for awhile when I was a child. I have relatives there. I liked everyone that I met there. But let’s be honest, New Orleans is, and has been for many years, burdened by legendarily incompetent and corrupt leadership class. The big economic activities, off-shore platforms and large ports, are essentially colonial operations, run by distant managers, not emerging from the entrepreneurial action of the locals. The indigenous economy is basically a combination of tourism and bribery.

The culture difference is passivity versus self-reliance. Disasters can come to any town at any time, but some react differently than others. How they react depends on what they were the day before the disaster hit. Entrepreneurs are used to thinking for themselves. They’re used to organizing when there’s no playbook available. They have email and they check it often. They’re in touch with a wide range of other people. When the government says to evacuate, they generally do. They don’t stay home as so many people did two years ago, because their government checks were coming and they wanted to make sure that no one stole them. They volunteer to help their displaced neighbors, not loot their stores while they’re gone.

At Qualcomm stadium the line for volunteers who had come to offer help, was often longer than the line of refugees who had come to request help. At one point, the relief workers were forced to tell people, that no more food and water donations were needed.

I don’t remember that happening after Katrina. I remember people, many of whom had been warned to evacuate and didn’t, lashing out at the world for not helping them sooner. I was a talk show host at the time; we suspended normal programming for days to focus on raising money for the people of New Orleans. The frequent and angry denunciations of supposed American greed and racism didn’t make my job any easier.

Critics of entrepreneurial capitalism have long maintained that markets are a destroyer of social capital. Yes, they say, free-markets deliver high standards of living, but their gales of creative destruction unravel the social fabric. This has not been my experience. I used to run a non-profit agency serving at-risk children in certain low-income neighborhoods in Pittsburgh. There was very little capitalism occurring there (excluding drugs and prostitution, of course), but there was even less social capital. We had a tough time trying to keep a database of kids that we were helping, because the addresses were in a constant state of flux. The last names offered no real clue as to who was whom. The phone numbers changed continually, and they were almost never answered. Answering machines were rare – appointments were unheard of. Basically we learned through long experience that it was impossible to contact the parents (or guardians, or aunts, or whatevers) of the children we were trying to help. We just had to open the doors every evening and turn on the lights and see who came. I wonder if a reverse 911 evacuation call like the one that went out to a million San Diegans would have even worked in New Orleans.

I’m already bracing myself for the hate mail. “YOU’RE BLAMING THE VICTIMS!” they will blare. But I’m not blaming them, I’m trying to help them. Poverty stinks to begin with, but it’s even worse when a hurricane or an earthquake attacks. If I told you that today you were going to be hit with a natural disaster, but that you got the pick the city where your family would be when it hit, would you pick a rich one or a poor one? Would you pick one with honest and efficient road construction agencies or patronage ridden ones? Would you pick a town where almost everyone had Blackberries and cell-phones or where almost no one did? Would you pick a town were most people were business owners or where most of them were on welfare?

If you picked the former option in any of the choices above, then you have already implicitly agreed to my premise. Top-down central planning makes people less self-reliant and makes communities less resilient. I’m just asking you to make the same decision for them that you would make for yourself.

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I'll never return...
...to New Orleans. As a disaster relief worker bringing in emergency supplies, shelter and other necessities, I was in New Orleans, Gulfport, Biloxi and other affected areas. While the people in Mississippi were glad to see us, the thugs in New Orleans shot at our trucks (have bullet holes to prove it), threw concrete blocks at us, threw boards full of nails in front of us--and then expected us to unload our trucks by ourselves (we couldn't even hire people to help unload), cook meals for them and, in general, do for them the things they needed to get off their sorry duffs and do for themselves.

The story was vastly different in Mississippi, which was hit much harder than New Orleans. People were cleaning up the rubble and already rebuilding before the rains died down. They also didn't have the welfare mentality that was so apparent in New Orleans.

While I'd go back to Mississippi in a heartbeat, I wouldn't go back to LA for anything, ever, under any circumstances.

There was no looting in California because the people there are motivated to do for themselves, rather than expect curb service.

When has a chronically.....
...dependent population owned up to anything? When has the concept of personal responsibility been inculcated into said population?

The answer to the above is "never", and the leftists in this country will make sure they never will.

The next time a disaster of any kind hits a community, all aid should immediately cease when the first assault on aid workers occurs. The aid workers must pack up and get out of the area so the savages can experience the results of their actions and decisons.

If ever there was a behavior = consequence model to learn from, this would be it.


Difference in NO and San Diego
New Orleans was run like an African Village.
With its Chiefs and Witch Doctors
San Diego is run like an American City

Makes sense to me
No sense commenting here, its all figured out.

If your white, your right!

Blaming the victims
Sure, you can be accused of blaming the victims but quite honestly, some of the victims are at fault. The looting, the shooting, the violence, the death, the refusal to leave the city when they knew what was coming. They elected the incompetent leaders of both their city and their state. They were satisfied with the status quo of corruption in that state and local government.


Biting commentary
*If your white, your right!*

Thanks for sharing. You do know racism cuts both ways, right ?

i live in san diego
now the comparison is not really fair because there were safe areas in san diego where the fire was not a threat, in NO there was no safe areas.

now i do agree that the people of san diego showed what wondrful people they are and showed the american spirit of neighbors helping neighbors.

there were some attempts at looting in the rural areas but the people in the rural areas met the looters with shotguns loaded and they disappeared into the night.

there is still a controvesy raging here over the lack of help from the federal government led by of all people duncan hunter.

the fires would not have been so devastating if federal fire fighting aircraft would have been here sooner.

we have another santa ana coming this weekend, pray for us.

Knew this was coming
crumbsrmine writes: 1:31 PM
Makes sense to me
No sense commenting here, its all figured out.

If your white, your right!
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From the stupid people.
Ya think only whites live in San Diego?
Idiot
Its how the cities were run is the difference

Probably some truth in this
religiouslib writes: 1:52 PM
i live in san diego
now the comparison is not really fair because there were safe areas in san diego where the fire was not a threat, in NO there was no safe areas.
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But it excuses the criminals who caused the problems in NO to begin with.
Same storm hit that entire area, including Mississippi.

I am sick of the call for compassion for people who chose to act like a bunch of thugs.
I got none.

Compassion is not helping anyone these days, its so abused and used for graft and theft.

Let N.O. stay under water, best thing for all of them, and hope Nagin and his ilk drown with the city.


Facts on San Diego
The largest single employer in San Diego is the Federal Government (Mostly Department of Defense Employees).

Congressman Duncan Hunter's main complaint was the fact that Cal Fire, a California State Agency was blocking assistance from the Department of Defense with red tape rules concerning Marine and Navy Air Support to fight the fires. Hundreds of homes burned due to the delay in launching air attacks on the fire. Local Air support was fighting the fires from the first day. Cal Fire air support did not start until Tuesday (the third day of the fires) because their rules stated it was too windy for the aircaft to fly, and that military aircaft could not fly without Cal Fire spotters. They also required Cal Fire certification for the military pilots even though most of the military pilots have superior qualifications.

We did have some looting, the majority of the looters were illegal aliens from Mexico Some of the looting involved the taking of donated relief supplies by illegals for resale in Tijuana markets.

Illegal aliens were also the majority of the fire's fatalities, and were 11 of the 18 burn victims. They were sneaking across the Border in the area of the Harris Fire. None of the illegals were insured. This means that UCSD Burn center will have to absorb millions of dollars for their treatment.

For Gods sake finish the Border fence and enforce our current immigration laws.

harryo
i know of one incident where illegals were arrested for lootin and that was at qualcomm.

if you know of others please enlighten me because it has not been in the newspaper here.

i listened intently to hunter as he was on every day and one thing he said is that planes should have been pre-positioned and he also spoke of overwhelming the fire earlier rathier than slow buildups as the fire gets larger.

i pray we don't go through this again this coming weekend.

Reply to religiouslib
There was an incident in Fallbrook (North San Diego County) involving an illegal looting jewelry and other items from evacuated homes. He was arrested by the Border Patrol. He also had outstanding warrants for drug dealing.

I Couldnt Get My Car Started
Malibu is just over the hill and I thought I could get something as good as the cool leather jacket I got in the riots or that great garden gnome I picked up after the earthquake but my car punked out on me. If it wasnt for George W Bush and his illegal war in Iraq maybe I would have a better car but NO you right-wingers think your personal agenda is more important than helping us poor people and the big corporations and their Globalism have really wrecked my life so its totally not fair that I couldnt get my hands on some totally cool stuff that was just laying there with nobody looking after it and its not looting its liberation but now I'm just going to see if I can trade some of my Food Stamps for some beer so just stop using that racist term 'looter' because you never had to put up with not having any money because of the jobs you cheated your way into.

Looting
There were reports of looting in the more remote, forested areas burned up around Running Springs/Arrowhead. Residents of San Diego County may not have seen these reports. Residents of the San Bernardino Mountains in San Bernardino and Riverside Counties range from wealthy owners of mountain retreats to subsistence mobile home dwellers, the latter being a mix of white and Native Americans, as well as Latinos (here legally or otherwise). Most mountain residents are middle-class.

The different physical nature of the disasters did make a difference. People will wade through floodwaters to loot, but they will not run into a raging fire for that purpose. Once the fire is under control, law enforcement can set an EFFECTIVE perimeter guard in a way not possible in a flooded area.

But an equally important factor is simply that what burned in southern California the last couple of weeks was middle-class neighborhoods. If you live here, you know that not everyone in them is "white." A number are black, and even more are Latino Americans. But the people who live in them don't loot, regardless of skin color or ethnic background. I can think of parts of San Diego that would have been looted after a fire. But not Rancho Bernardo.

Nagin
was re-elected to run chocolate city. That's pretty much all you need to know about NO.

Looters, Looters, where are the Looters?
The looters were in South Central LA, Oakland CA, East Palo Alto CA, Detriot, Philadelphia, Pontiac MI, Washington DC, St. Louis MO, and last but not least, the Chocolate City - New Orleans.

skep41 Wins!!!!
my vote for best comment. Get this person a gov't job, eh???

Question
What's is their to loot after a fire? Ashes?

Google yourself
They loot the empty houses that have escaped the burn through of the fire before the owners can return to them.

Bravo skep41!!!
skep41, awesome post. You gotta love the no-values crowd; their actions are always someone else's fault!

Down here in South Texas
We say---- If you are white you are right, if you are brown, stick around, if you are black, step back.

Jamie
Funny - I'm in San Antonio. I've never heard anyone say that.

t.v.
There are looters out there, they just won't be shown on t.v. They are the Enrons of the corporate world, ready to loot ones life savings. The oil executives have made RECORD profits while our men are dying to fight a war.

The Millionaire State
Oh come on sheeple--California is the riche$t $tate in the union. Isn't funny that California met all the right criteria for instant help federal help--Californians are blessed with a celebrity governor who happens to belong to the RIGHT POLITICAL PARTY and they have the most electorial votes in play--55 to be exact. Also those affected belonged to the millionaire ruling class so you bet they got help immediately. This time it wasn't so bad being evacuated--the millionaires had all the comforts of home including Starbucks coffee, acupuncture, yoga lessons, counselors who answered their every question, free Verizon service, toilets that flushed and lots of fresh food.

Contrast that with Louisiana and New Orleans which were deliberately left to rot for days after Katrina. THEY WERE CURSED WITH A FEMALE GOVERNOR WHO BELONGED TO THE WRONG POLITICAL PARTY. NEW ORLEANS HAD A BLACK MAYOR WHO BELONGED TO THE WRONG POLITICAL PARTY. Louisiana, unlike California, is a relatively poor state with only a handful of electorial votes in play. The media pounced on hapless New Orleans bigtime--they wouldn't dare do that to the rich and powerful movers and shakers in Southern California. Conservative pundits sneered at New Orleans and blamed the victims for their plight, trotting out the stale bootstraps and elbow grease stories to remind them that they were all a bunch of welfare cheats and losers anyhow. Southern California was protected and coddled by the same degenerate media who proceeded to give them plenty of tea and sympathy.

The new Tale of Two Cities would be about New Orleans (poor) and San Diego (rich) This is about class favoritism at its worst.

Saw this early
I read the column this morning,but had no time to post.
One poster insisted that the only looting in NO was for essentials like batteries,diapers,and food.

Why yes, I too, do one stop shopping for these items at my local liquor and jewelry stores. Great prices!

Re: The Millionaire State

Give me a break. You give new meaning to the word "tendentious."

For one thing, why would a state's having a female governor make any difference? That alone serves to underscore the fact that you're just grasping at straws.

It's at least plausible (though remotely so) that said female governor's belonging to the "wrong" political party had anything to do with the aid the city got following Katrina. But even if that were the case, the governor's sex wouldn't even have been a factor.


-CB-

Not a good comparison
You guys got it nailed! In the entire San Diego area all the roads were flooded out, all the electricity was cut off, none of the phones worked, not even the cell phones. Airports and the port of San Diego were out of service. Why, the entire infrastructure of this entire region was gutted, wiped out, and yet they snapped back almost immediately. Oh wait, none of these things happened in the San Diego area outside of the fire areas. The fires were a huge disaster, but comparing San Diego to New Orleans doesn't make a logical argument to me, these events were totally different, and New Orleans, southern Louisiana and Mississippi were much more devastated over a much larger area, and required starting over from pretty close to scratch. The San Diego area was able to snap back pretty quickly largely due to the fact almost all of their infrastructure was not that damaged. And that's not taking anything away from San Diego.

Oh wait....yourself
mdokr writes: Thursday, November, 01, 2007 7:36 PM
Not a good comparison

Oh wait, none of these things happened in the San Diego area outside of the fire areas. The fires were a huge disaster, but comparing San Diego to New Orleans doesn't make a logical argument to me, these events were totally different, and New Orleans, southern Louisiana and Mississippi were much more devastated over a much larger area, and required starting over from pretty close to scratch. The San Diego area was able to snap back pretty quickly largely due to the fact almost all of their infrastructure was not that damaged. And that's not taking anything away from San Diego.

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The ONLY comparison is some acted like thugs and outlaws and some did not, capeche?

Know what you're talking about, fool
Talent Scout: In addition to not knowing what you're talking about.... it's CAPICHE, not capeche.

It's what you're taught culturally
Years ago in the 60s (1967), NYC had a massive blackout. People were trapped in elevators, streets were gripped in complete deadlock, transportation came to a stop. Was there rioting and pillaging? No.

Victim mentality hadn't taken over.

Twice since, NYC has had blackouts and both latter times, crime and looting and disorder ran through the city. When something happens today, the "I'm not responisble" mentality of tv talk shows rears up and grabs everything it can get it paws on. N. Orleans' chaos was just an example writ large.

Media favoritism
How come our degenerate media which is now run by huge multi-national corporations didn't lecture California's ruling class about the necessity of pulling themselves up by their Gucci loafers? How come the rich aren't being told to hock the Mercedes and the BMW so they can rebuild their MacMansions? Gee, how come the rich aren't being told to sacrifice their goodies? Why is Fema out in California in the first plce? The media favoritism toward the beautiful people is just outrageous.

Well stupid
mdokr writes: 8:44 PM
Know what you're talking about, fool
Talent Scout: In addition to not knowing what you're talking about.... it's CAPICHE, not capeche.
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You understand yet the difference in a thief and an honest person?
Capeche?

One of the thieving thugs in New Orleans was called mdokr
Capeche?

Townhall O' Bigots
Sure San Diego is a bedrock of ethical stability.

And why do they need looters when they have Republicans like Randy "Duke" Cunningham to rip off the city using his office?

Bowyer's bigoted rant from the site that rails against blogosphere hate speech is truly offensive. 90 percent of the comments are filled with racists pushing stereotypes and generalizations. Does Hugh agree with this garbage?

"Compassion is not helping anyone these days, its so abused and used for graft and theft.

Let N.O. stay under water, best thing for all of them, and hope Nagin and his ilk drown with the city."

Yes, you must have been a fount of compassion before you got jaded by big government. It is best for families to loose their homes and businesses to fold. Hopefully the children will drown too.

If these are the ideas that the Republican party is offering America, good luck -- and good riddance.

renny,
What are you talking about? The 1977 blackout was a fiasco but the 2003 one was pretty damn orderly.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9d04e7db1530 f935a2575bc0a9659c8b63

Marie Antoinette Award
Bowyer should get the Marie Antoinette award for his lofty dismissal of people with fewer options in life. Example: Speaking of Katrina, he says he remembers "people, many of whom had been warned to evacuate and didn’t, lashing out at the world for not helping them sooner." Could it just be that some of those people, who didn't happen to own personal automobiles, were a bit miffed that buses, promised by FEMA, didn't show up, and that they found themselves jammed into a shelter with "sanitary" facilities comparable to those in a concentration camp?

Walk a mile in their feces-stained shoes, Mr. Bowyer, and see how it feels to be characterized as a whiner.

N.O. native
I was born and raised in the New Orleans area. The problem down here is not the respose of the Feds. or relief workers. The problem was or is Gov. K. Blanco and Mayor R. Nagin. These two incomptent officals caused more problems than the flood waters that swamped N.O. Nagin did not follow his own emergency plan, and called for a mandatory evacuation almost as the storm was coming on shore. Blanco, took almost three days to say okay to the offer of federal help. She has always reminded me of a deer in the headlights of my car whenever she was facing a difficult problem. Hopefully our new Gov. Bobby Jindal will be an improvment.

Could I be swaying to the right...?
Wow. I found no flaw in the direction this writing was taking.

I, too, noticed that there weren't people sitting around in lounge chairs and as soon as they see a whirring camera leap to his feet shouting, "Where's my government?" It was probably the most exercise he had gotten all day.

It's examples like San Diego and Los Angeles that make the rest of the country want to help them, because they are trying to help themselves.

I still don't see New Orleans or its citizens making the effort. The wise ones left and didn't go back. That's helping themselves.

To johninoregan
A detail that comes to mind is that when San Francisco had its Marina District earthquake, what was it, about fifteen years ago, rescue staff distributed Perrier water and croissants to victims. One of them, interviewed on television, laughed and said, "Only in San Francisco".


To johninoregon
My mother-in-law is clinically-depressed, single, unemployed, taking care of her bedridden father (since deceased) and a brother incapable of work or living independently. Her entire income was her brother's disability and her father Social Security.
She's been saving bit by bit for years in case of 'The Big One' in New Orleans.
She evacuated before the storm hit, got aid to tide her over in relative security, then moved back.

If she could plan ahead and prepare for disaster, Virtually. Every. One. Of. Those. People. Could.
Or are black people less able to plan ahead and prepare for the future than white people? I don't believe that, though others may.


Who do not have *OPTIONS*?
I am on the other side of the hill as regards age; I am blind in one eye, so I can neither drive a car nor ride a bike. I have a *bugout* plan and know exactly what to do in case of a Katrina or more realistically in this area, a blizzard lasting more than three days.

None of my *OPTIONS* consist of sitting on my heinie squalling for somebody to come and carry me to safety in luxury. (One of the reasons the mayor of NO would not use the school buses is that they were not air conditioned. You do not hear about that much anymore, but it is true.)

If I can do it, they can do it. But why should they, when screaming and flailing their arms and chanting WE WANTS HEP! will bring liberals bearing gifts and apologies?

For those who used the phrase *found themselves in the Superdome* -- are you saying that they went to bed in the Hilton Hotel and woke up in the Superdome? They did not *find themselves* in the Superdome. They walked there on their feet, instead of walking to the train station a week earlier and getting the hades out of Dodge. This is akin to those who claim that this or that woman *found herself pregnant* -- both events require action on the part of the woman, at least in my experience. And by the way, if I knew that I had stupidly waited to pick up my welfare cheque and got stuck in a flooded city, before leaving for any kind of shelter I would pack a suitcase or a backpack to take along. But then I was not brought up to believe that Whitey Owes Me, was I?

As for the 1973 loot-in at NYC, I remember hearing Black women saying that God had turned off the lights so they could *get* various items for *my baby*. And Andrew Young, the racist mayor of Atlanta who later became the racist ambassador to the UN, opined that *when you turn out the lights, people gonna steal.* I was there and heard that.

Frustrating
How stupid for Bowyer to compare San Diego (when a percent of the people left their homes) to New Orleans (where the entire city was destroyed along with its infrastructure where everyone who remained was a victim). And then to use his fallacious comparison to make a political point.

San Diego vs. New Orleans
Another nationwide disaster happened many years ago. It was the great depression. We were ALL poor. No one resorted to thievery or violence. We made it through and from that tragedy came the
"greatest generation.'God helps those who help themselves. It CAN be done. Poverty has never been an excuse for criminal behavior.

New Orleans

The best thing to happen for the people of New Orleans and Louisiana is the election of Bobby Jindal.
Nagin needs to take a leave of absence and let the new governor fix New Orleans.

The Millionaire State
Hi "no bs artist" Over the last 5 elections,, California 54 electorial went to: John Kerrey(who served in Vietnam), Algore, Bill("I never had sex with that woman") Clinton, Bill("I never inhaled") Clinton and Michael(boy do I look stupid driving this tank) Dukakis. So how can you sit there, and with a straight face, say the California got help because were in the "RIGHT" party?

You should just drop the "no" from your name.

Liz
What proof do you have that there was no thievery or violence during the Great Depression?

Entitlement
It's all about me, me me. Entitlement people...
And there's talk about reparations because thier great great grands were slaves...Hello, I had nothing to do with that. Plus you have people coming over from other countries and working hard and making a living for themsselves, without so much as having the benefit of speaking the language. They truly live the American dream. So, what's up with the native's. I'll tell you what's up, it's easier to live off of other people's hard work than have to work themselves. They'd rather sit by the neighborhood liquor store and talk about how they can rip off and scam the government so they can continue to sit on that corner. Oh, poor me...boo hoo...

Hello?
Uhh.....there was something left after the fire? And that would be.....? Water-fire, water-fire, mmmm....quite a difference, heh? And help got there....when? How quick did they get there? I agree some people whine and moan too much about some of the things you said, but as someone once said: where there is smoke, there is fire.

Speaking of ENTITLEMENT
The most 'entitlement' minded people I have ever seen are the rich, and ur point is???

Someone mentioned thievery or violence

during the Depression. Well, here is my letter to the Editor published about 15 years ago that addresses that problem, and maybe a little about NO.

I AM SHOCKED, JUST AGHAST! The Newspaper asked for Depression stories, but then must have censored them and withheld information about the people in those stories. These were all poor people who lived in the 1930's when the economy was really in bad shape, and you expect us to believe these poor people were law abiding and “goody, goody.”

They said they didn't have money for clothes to wear, but never mentioned how many people they had smashed in the head with a brick! They said they had no money to buy food, but didn't tell how many people they had killed or injured in drive-by shootings! Some even had the nerve to say they had married during those years, but forgot to mention how many illegitimate children they had!

Unlike today's kids they didn't have the advantage of all the non-education courses taking up their school time, and they didn't have all the “how to” TV shows and movies, but some of them must have been delinquents, after all they were poor!

Just ask any unscrupulous liberal, ask any leftist Democrat, just ask any member of the charlatan teachers' union, they'll all tell you that if you are poor, you are a criminal. Or maybe it's the other way around - if you are a criminal, you must be poor - well it's one way or the other. Things sure must have been different in the 1930's.

Hey, wait a minute! Maybe there is no direct correlation between how poor you are and how reprehensible you are! Maybe it really is the malodorous people trained and encouraged by a disreputable entertainment industry, and by far-left members of the education Mafia, who are the problem.

The 1930's, with all its adversity and turbulence, sure did produce a prestigious contingent of citizens, (well maybe some of us are only respectable)!


New Orleans
When I saw these pictures of Katrina on TV my first thought was that N.O city and state leaders have made these people slaves to welfare. That disturbed me as much as Katrina.
My niece and I had visitied N.O just a few months before Katrina. Everywhere we went we were warned that women weren't safe on the street after dark.Even the Mgr of the very nice hotel we stayed in told us not to go out of the hotel after dark.
When they were rescuing people afterwards, being and animal lover I wondered where the pets were. Then I found that the people who were rescued were forced to leave their pets behind.When Animal Societies went in to try and rescue the animals they were forced to leave.The Governors excuse was that we didn't understand that they had a big stray problem. How much sense did this make?
N.O needs a lot more than just their establishments rebuilt.

Gump
When it comes to comparing NO to SD Forrest was right "Stupid is as Stupid does"

Hey Liz....
There was crime during the depression, but it was very limited, mostly the likes bank robbers and organized crime.

The GREAT majority were very poor and helped each other. How the hell do I know?

I was there.

McRib

Barbara Bush was right on the ball
The next time you hear the Libs and lefties slander Barbara Bush for her statement about Nuts Orleans, just remember what she really said. She is accused of making racist remarks about the poor people who were in the Superdome.

What she actually said was, "And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

Well, what did we hear from the Chocolate Mayor, and the Grovelling Governor.

They all told us, that even before Katrina how so many citizens of Nuts Orleans were poor, and what trashy places they had to live, and how little they had to eat.

Barbara was just being kind, when she saw the beautiful very clean Superdome with food for all. What she didn’t see was all the “same” people who were there to rob, rape, and molest everyone else.

What she said could have been reworded, only because the Libs and Screwy Demos took it out of context and made a big fuss out of their misinterpretation of Barbara’s remark

You can certainly tell
that people such as bs artist have never even been to San Diego.

My city has alot to be proud of, everyone behaved admirably. And to those of you who think that the areas affected were not that significant, think again. There was so much stuff donated at the Stadium that they had to start giving it away to various Ministries and homeless charities throughout the city after all of the evacuees left.
I think that there was a total of ONE arrest for someone being in an evacuated neighborhood.
It takes a certain kind of mind set, to think out how to criminally profit during a disaster, and these citizens did not have it.

Oh?
I live here now and have all of my life except for the college years . . . 30 years ago. And you're right for the most part. I don't agree with the "racist" comment earlier although there IS a negative black element here and a infrastructure still active that depends on "cradle to grave" government intervention as a crutch. Racist whites and racist blacks . . . and then the majority of us in the middle who make this city work.

Now before you relegate New Orleans from the "City that care forgot" to the city "that got washed away forever" just remember that every Mardi Gras the city swells to three times it's size in population while the proportional crime rate is stable. Other cities win a championship and the cities are burned and looted. When you want food that tastes like something, we "kick it up a notch!" And those same dishes are cooked by white and black alike and ain't nobody down here walking out in protest! And when the Saints are winning (like in '06), I high fived as many men of color as I did "whites" while singing praises to Reggie and Drew alike, a true Oreo of athletic class, colorblind as we should always be. In the town that worships Armstrong, the Marellis Family, the Neville Brothers, Irma Thomas, Harry Connick, Jr., Pete Fountain, Al Hirt, et.al., in Mayor Nagin's "milk chocolate factory," yeah, we have thugs . . . and I'm so sure no other city like Philly, Chicago, and such, has the same problems. Nah, only in the Big Easy, huh?

Relief Worker SNAFU
Great comments. Corresponds to my experience in providing help to people in inner cities.

Your beliefs and culture shape your actions. Crises reveals your character.

Looting: burned stuff vs wet stuff...
The looters of flooded areas could dry out items they stole. Why would anybody want to loot stuff that had been burnt? Burnt things are worthless no matter what culture you're a part of! Floods may leave a mess but some things are salvageable but fires destroy nearly everything beyond any hope of being able to use it again. I doubt if any of New Orleans' looters would bother looting anything after fires destroyed the stuff.

Cooltruth
Over 500,000 people were evacuated. Roughly 4,000 homes burned. At 5 people per house, that means 100,000 homes threatened, 96,000 homes survived. Any opportunity there for looting before the owners returned?

Entitlements
All the reasons stated by the author are probably true, however the obvious factor isn't mentioned- race. Whenever a community becomes more than 40-50% Black, the "you owe me" mentality seems to take precendence, along with high crime and other problems seen in the Katrina fiasco. Disregard the obvious at your own peril, but there are significant differences on the whole between different races. Americans can't bring themselves to admit that the emperor isn't wearing clothes!
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