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Bananaphone

Firstly, you may want to read this thread again, as you will clearly see that naked paga addressed almost noen of my points (and there were many many).

--"I would argue that "Abstinence only" training, which has the only sexual education available to my students recently, has created this problem. Under abstinence training, I have heard such viewpoints as "I heard you can't get her pregnant if you rub it against her", "Are Siamese Twins punishment for doing it too early?", and "I used Saran Wrap from my mom's kitchen. It worked." "

Abstinence only sex ed is not available at ANY public school in the US. See the reason abstinence ALWAYS works, 100% of the time, is that no preganancies, STD transmission, or abortions EVER result from it.

Any teaching method for any social behavior, must be accompanied by a larger cultural component to be effective at a high rate. So as long as we encourage the termanation of unwanted unborns, the acceptance of pre-marital or extra-marital sex, the thought process that says: oral sex isn't sex (you no who),sodomy is nromal sexual behavior or any other immoral sexual behavior, kids will be participating in all of these behaviors.

If we as a society make an effort to return to the above things being 'taboo' they will still occur (they always have at some level), however they will occur in very small numbers.

There was teen sex, teen preganancy, teen abortion, teen sodomy, and teen STD transmission prior to 1960, it was just very rare.

Then the teaching methods for sex ed that you and the "naked pagan" espouse to began to be instituted. As a nation, by the end of the sixties we began to embrace birth control methods beyond the condom. Drinking and drug use became prevalant throughout our culture, leading of course to all sorts of sexual debauchery.By the middle of the 90s, not only did we have a US Surgeon General advocating the use of bannanas to demonstrate oral sex in the classroom, but there were no more public school cirricula which taught abstinence only.

Since that generation will not as a whole accept guilt or take responsibility, they will not admit mistakes, or sins. So we then have justifications. '"Sodomy is normal." "I'm not killing my baby, I'm excercising my reproductive right!." "I can do whatever I want with my body" "it's only sex" "Oral sex isn't sex" etc......

See, liberal ideology has near destroyed what was good about American culture. The traditions that were celebrated by America came with some taboos, but we have since learned that they were not only sensible, but an integral piece of what allowed us to have a cohesive, proper and safe society.

Liberals "freed" us from those taboos, and now kids don't have two parents anymore. Mothers just do away with their babies so they don't put a cramp in their lifestyle. People put ballons on their genetallia, and are told that they can have sex with anyone of anysex, and they will not get disease, or unwanted pregnancies. Or they get high or drunk, and do it sans ballon.

If these items, and their relationships to each other, and to the way we set out to teach our kids, don't make sense to you, you'll probably never understand societal evolution. Cultures are firmly based in traditions. Change of any sort (bad or good) that is major, can be directly traced through cause and effect.(read up on Amish culture when you get a chance, and compare their teaching methods to ours, and then compare their teen sex problems with ours, and you might understand what is possible with a moral approach to life)

Liberals rarely see this, and they just grab at solutions and ideas that make them feel better, as long as they can feel a litlle rebellious at the same time. When their ideas eventually prove to to nothing but detriment, and they ALWAYS do, they blame someone else, or deny their failure, or both, and learn nothing.

--"If you prefer to educate your child yourself on this point, you need only sign the form and I will not expose your child to my teachings on this topic (this right is protected by law)."


There is no such form (or law) Mr/Ms phone. All public schools decide, without parental input what and when to teach our children. And all of them teach sex ed. None of them should, ever, even at parental request. This is far outside of their scope, and squarely within the sole scope of parents' duties.

"What does bother me is that this opens a child to a variety of different abuses. Parents of a child can choose to expose their child to damaging religious practices that harm their child's natural sexuality, or choose to provide no education to the child. While I may not agree to this practice, I have no right to oppose this practice, nor will I support any legislation that gives me that power. I do, however, worry that your right to educate (or mis-educate) your child as you see fit will impact the life of another person. Sexual intercourse, after all, includes two different people."

See this type of thinking is what is needed. The naked pagan, and other liberals would never agree with you. Your fears expressed here make very little sense to me, but you are not advocating the removal of my parental obligation, and replacing it with your own ideas. This article, and this entire thread would never exist, if people could just see the wisdom you and I share here.

Btw, thanks for offering to defend my right to speak, and believe differently than you. I believe "narrow minded" was unfair of you, since I have merely been advocating that parents should have sole discretion on when and what their children learn in regards to sex. This is the only way to honor the various and diverse beliefs that are held by all the different peoples of this great nation. That's not narrow minded, that's American, and that's protecting the rights and liberties of all, while infringing upon NONE.

Naked pagan's view of forcing all children from anywhere in America (regardless of their traditions and beliefs) to learn what the government wants (plus Planned Parenthood, et al) and when to learn it, with regard to sex, that is "narrow minded", and un-American.