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Wednesday, January 24, 2007
Jennifer Roback Morse :: Townhall.com Columnist
Some people just need to get spanked
by Jennifer Roback Morse
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A childless legislator here in California (where else?) has proposed a legislative ban on spanking. Sally Lieber, Democrat (naturally) from Mountain View, which is in Northern California (why am I not surprised?) believes this is a proper function of state government.

According to the San Jose Mercury News, “The bill, which is still being drafted, will be written broadly, she added, prohibiting ‘any striking of a child, any corporal punishment, smacking, hitting, punching, any of that.’ Lieber said it would be a misdemeanor, punishable by up to a year in jail or a fine up to $1,000, although a legal expert advising her on the proposal said first-time offenders would probably only have to attend parenting classes.”

The people of California are understandably outraged at this outrageous assault on parental authority. But there is an even better reason to be outraged: banning spanking is not good for kids. Child rearing experts generally do not agree with a ban on spanking. The "two-swat spank" has been extensively studied. Two swats on a covered bottom do not constitute child abuse, and in fact, can be an important adjunct to reasoning in disciplining a child. The Murky News (as the locals call it: actually, it isn't a bad paper, as MSM outlets go) interviewed one of the leading scholars of corporal punishment, Dr. Robert Larzelere.

“Professor Robert Larzelere, who has studied child discipline for 30 years, said his research shows spanking is fine, as long as it's used sparingly and doesn't escalate to abuse. “If it's used in a limited way,'' the Oklahoma State University professor said, “it can be more effective than almost any other type of punishment.'' He added that children 18 months old or younger shouldn't be spanked at all, because they can't understand why it's happening. As for Lieber's proposal, the professor said: ``I think this proposal is not just a step too far, it's a leap too far. At least from a scientific perspective there really isn't any research to support the idea that this would make things better for children.''

This is a man of good sense. I happen to have an article by Dr. Larzelere and some co-authors in my filing cabinet. It compares of a variety of disciplinary strategies: reasoning, and two types of punishment, non-corporal punishment, such as time-out, and non-abusive corporal punishment. He concludes that parents should try reasoning with a child first. If “that tactic does not receive appropriate compliance, then parents should back up the initial tactic with a slightly more aversive tactic (e.g. non-corporal punishment such as time-out). Only for continued defiant noncompliance should a parent resort to nonabusive corporal punishment as back up .... (Other authors) have shown that a back-up such as a two-swat spank is necessary to make time-out effective with the most non-compliant preschoolers.”

In other words, if you are dealing with a sweet, even-tempered child who wants to please, you can reason with them and they will comply. But there are some little stinkers who need something a little firmer.

When Dr. Larzelere wrote the above article, his affiliation was listed as "Boys Town." Presumably, he observed some troubled kids during his time there.

In my experience as a foster parent, I too, observed some troubled kids. There are indeed kids who will not comply with adult instructions, no matter how nicely you talk to them. (Parents who talk too much have been studied too. The experts call them "natterers.") The presumption that spanking is always and everywhere a form of child abuse assumes that the harm the child endures in the spanking is more serious than the harm he endures by being allowed to continue in his defiance. Failing to set limits on a child’s behavior is itself a form of child abuse. Going through childhood undisciplined is not in any child’s interest.

The essence of Sally Lieber's proposal is that otherwise competent parents will be presumed abusive if they swat their children. The parents can be put in prison for a year. The kids will be put into the already overcrowded and ineffective foster care system. The parents of difficult children will be the most likely to run afoul of these rules. Being in foster care is certainly a more traumatic experience than being swatted on the bottom.

All because some adults pretend they can’t tell the difference between a swat and child abuse.

Perhaps the voters will give Assemblywoman Lieber a time-out until she calms down.

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Jennifer Roback Morse, Ph.D., is the author of Smart Sex: Finding Life-long Love In A Hook-up World. She blogs at jennifer-roback-morse.blogspot.com

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hitting children
Many people in CA recognize that hitting children is wrong under any circumstances. Our country is way behind Europe and many other nations around the world that have mostly or completely banned the physical punishment of children. Unlike the children in our country, these children are allowed to grow up in peaceful societies where they do not fear blows from supposedly loving adults.
I hope that one day soon our country will make the hitting of children a federal crime where for the first time in history, children will be able to live in peace and safety. If you can be hauled into court for hitting an adult then surely you should be hauled into court for hitting a child.

Blind is Blind is Blind
It is absolutely BAFFLING to me how people who believe in HITTING CHILDREN can't see how hitting children promotes violence. Hello people, if you're hitting your children, you dang sure got it from somewhere!

There is a RANGE of violent behavior people. It's not all about getting caught and going to jail, something being spanked probably taught you. Somehow if it's not ILLEGAL it's OK. If you don't get arrested or jailed, it's OK. That if other people do it IT'S OK! It's exactly this mindless sheep type behavior that spanking produces in people: a fear of getting caugh, a fear of not conforming, a desire to fall in line with "authorities" no matter what they are promoting, and an inability to see the forest for the trees.

If you are a spanker, SPANKING HAS TAUGHT YOU VIOLENCE. Maybe you are not bold enough to inflict pain on those bigger than you are by robbing full banks, maybe you are not bold enough to risk getting caught and in trouble by doing public wrongs-but this is exactly what spanking teaches!

You are not bold enough to hurt someone bigger than you are, and so you peck downwards to your children who are not yet bold enough to punch you in your face. Don't worry though, kids these days AREN'T stupid, and they are much more keen on recognizing their parent's weaknesses for what they really are, rather than being sold on some parental heroic fantasy like many of us were. You will be found out, and your spankings will backfire. Again, if you support HITTING as a grown adult, but can't understand how being hit as a child has put you in that type of position, you have been more than damaged as a result of your childhood. You have been blinded!
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