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Thursday, January 11, 2007
Jeff Jacoby :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Boston Mosque's Saudi connection
by Jeff Jacoby
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Speaking at a State Department forum in 1999, Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, a Sufi sheik and leader of the Islamic Supreme Council of America, sounded an alarm about Muslim houses of worship in the United States.

"The most dangerous thing that is going on now in these mosques . . . is the extremists' ideology," he said. "Because they are very active, they took over the mosques; . . . they took over more than 80 percent of the mosques that have been established in the US." He warned ominously that "a danger might suddenly come that you are not looking for . . . we don't know where it is going to hit."

When Kabbani was condemned by other Muslim organizations, he stood his ground. His assessment of the leadership of US mosques, he said, was based on having visited scores of them. In a 2000 interview he explained the extremists' pattern of infiltration.

Muslim immigrants to the United States "came with a good heart . . . and they wanted a place to pray," Kabbani told the Middle East Quarterly. "They collected money and they built mosques in their community. Slowly, certain Middle Eastern groups seized these mosques, promoting political and ideological agendas rooted in their home countries' problems. . . . Slowly, such groups took over many mosques either directly or by unseen pressure on the moderate board members, and now an antagonistic mentality controls them. The extremists -- not ordinary believers -- changed the use of American mosques into centers of intolerant political dogma."

At the time, Kabbani's charges may have seemed little more than inside Muslim baseball. After Sept. 11, it became clear that mosques dominated by radical clerics were a potentially lethal threat. Many such mosques are funded by Saudi Arabia, which spends heavily to propagate Wahhabism, a fanatic and aggressive strain of Islam. The Saudi government, reported the 9/11 Commission, "uses zakat" -- Islamic charity -- "and government funds to spread Wahhabi beliefs throughout the world, including in mosques and schools. . . . Some Wahhabi-funded organizations have been exploited by extremists to further their goal of violent jihad against non-Muslims." Its findings were reinforced by Freedom House, which in 2005 documented the penetration of US mosques by Saudi-supplied Wahhabi hate literature.

It is against this background that the $24 million mosque and cultural center being built by the Islamic Society of Boston has generated such controversy.

Questions have been raised about the Islamic Society's past and present leaders, some of whom have supported Islamist terrorism or indulged in virulently anti-American and anti-Semitic rhetoric. There are concerns about the sweetheart deal in which the land for the mosque was acquired from the City of Boston for a fraction of its value. A devout Muslim scholar, Ahmed Mansour, examined the ISB’s library and found books and videos promoting "fanatical beliefs." Especially disturbing has been the Islamic Society's response to its diverse critics: a lawsuit accusing all of them -- even Mansour -- of anti-Muslim conspiracy and libel.

That libel, the lawsuit charges, included claims that the "ISB receives funds from Wahhabis and/or Muslim Brotherhood and/or other Saudi/Middle Eastern sources" and that "the ISB Project was supported financially by donors from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states 'with known connections to radical Islamists.' " Given the Saudi role in disseminating jihadist fanaticism, it might indeed have been defamatory to falsely accuse the ISB of financial ties to Saudi Arabia.

But those ties are all too real.

According to financial documents supplied to The Boston Globe, major funding for the mosque is being provided by the Islamic Development Bank in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. In December 2005, for example, two payments of approximately $250,000 each were wired from Jeddah to the Citizens Bank account of the mosque's general contractor in Boston. Messages confirming the payments were faxed from Jeddah to the Islamic Society of Boston on Dec. 19. Other documents suggest that subsequent payments have been made as well. Yesterday, the ISB for the first time acknowledged receiving $1 million in financing from the Saudi bank.

The Islamic Development Bank is a subsidiary of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, and each of the conference's 56 member nations are shareholders. But the largest shares are owned by Saudi Arabia, Libya, and Iran, which together control 48 percent of the bank's stock. Saudi Arabia, Libya, and Iran are also three of the world's foremost sponsors or incubators of terrorism. It is perhaps not surprising that the Islamic Development Bank, through its Al-Quds and Al-Aqsa funds, has become a leading funder of Palestinian suicide bombing, paying large financial subsidies to the families of terrorists.

The Islamic Society of Boston didn't return my calls, but its website notes that all donors are cross-checked against the government's terrorist watch list, and that funding is accepted only "with no strings attached." It notes too that it "rejects any interpretation of Islam that is considered fundamentalist, oppressive, radical, anti-Western, or anti-Semitic."

But questions remain. More questions will come. Suing the good people who ask them won't make the questions go away. Answering them candidly, on the other hand, just might.

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Mixed bag
We are in a conundrum in this country and I feel the pinch like anyone else.

First, let's set one thing straight -- the Branch Davidian was a cult, not a sect of Christianity. Christianity is based upon what is taught in the Bible. Different sects may differ on some details of their understanding of the Bible, especially in areas not having to do with the central issue of faith, but when a group starts redefining who Jesus is or how one becomes reconciled to Him, then it's ventured into cultic territory. Paul's Letter to the Galatians is a good example of a church about to head down that road. The Branch Davidian had already gone down that road by saying David Koresh was the Messiah. It doesn't make what the government did in Waco right, but it is something people need to understand about Christians, that we don't admit anyone to the title who doesn't subscribe to what the Bible teaches.

So, that's part of the problem. We take an "extreme" view of our holy book. So do the Muslims. A liberal social worker friend of mine who I respect for her intelligence if not her politics explains that she believes anyone holding that view of their beliefs is a radical extremist who is potentially violent. Her problem with that is she can't explain me and she realizes that if she knows one person like me, there's probably others out there as well. After all, my church has 120 active members and in 50 years we've produced many more Christians, so obviously there are more like me in the world.

As I have a sprained finger that makes typing uncomfortable, you'll have to check out my blog for a deeper understanding of what I believe, but suffice to say that I don't think Christians are called to advance the gospel by force or coersion. We're called to TALK about it and show people there's a better way to live. We're not called to kill anyone -- and that is direct from the Bible.

So, here's the big problem. You have Muslims in this country and they're buying into radical, violent overthrow of democracy for the sake of advancing Islam. That's unquestionably radical and dangerous. We want to stop that and we want to stop the radicalization of the mosques. However, if you open that door with the Muslims, pretty soon you have people who don't like what Christians teach wanting to open the door a little further to curtail what we are able to teach. Forget that my church does not advocate violence against anyone, we do say that certain lifestyle choices are sinful. Unregenerate alcoholics across America will likely want to shut us up and, if you give them the power to do it in the mosques, you'll give them the power to do it in all houses of worship.

If you aren't a Christian, if going to church doesn't matter to you, you may very well think "Big deal!" but for those of us who honestly care about our freedom of religion, it matters big time!

FOWG Those are Supressors.
A supressor simply lessons the report It does not silence it.
From the look, those would not lower the sound much.

Silencers are not mass produced or sold over the counter like that. It requires a special Dealer's License to sell them and a special permit to buy one.

MO
Not interested in a silencer, rifle or otherwise. For those who are, go to surefire.com. You might be surprised.

FOWG
Please forgive if am I mistaking you for someone else on another thread, LAST YEAR.

The guy I am thinking of was interested in silencers for rifles.
The problem has another facet.
Rifling pitch must match the length & velocity of the bullet and by slowing the bullet to 1/3 speed to prevent that caracturistic crack of breaking the sound barrier it would destabilize the bullet and cause it to tumble.
To hit anything you would need to recite The Lord's Prayer as you squeezed the trigger due to all the God factor involved.

If you need to reach out, optical sights are available for the 1911A1 and from a rest it is good to at least 90yds. I saw a silencer for one once that attached by replacing the barrel bushing.

MyOpine
Thanks for the link to some facts.

It is amazing that this organization seems to be respected by the MSM, the courts and the executive branch of the government as well as Muslims throughout the country. If we won't or can't take action to disband them, why can't we just ignore them?

As I said, it is amazing that 'news' organizations continue to treat these clowns with respect and give them face time anytime they want it!

Again, what do we do?

A little exra reading on the subject.

Violence
Our constitution puts us into a bind. It guarantees a prohibition against the free exercise of religion. Islam enjoys protetion as well as Christianity does. It would appear that we the populace are behind the eight ball. We must allow the mosques to exist and thrive or we will act unconstitutionally. Many would interpet this as there is no hope.

I would submit that a reading of the constitution would reveal a prohibition against the violent overthrow of the government. The cloak of 'religion' cannot protect jihadists from the justifiable wrath of an aroused populace.

The sad thing is that the elected and appointed officials of this formerly great nation will not step up and protect and defend the constitution. A glaring example is the San Francisco mosque which converted Johnny Walker Lynd into an America-hating soldier of Islam willing to take up arms against his country. To my knowlege no action has been taken against that 'church' of the religion of peace!

Someone must investigate these mosques, make a case against them (if one exists) and outlaw them with prison terms for the violence-preaching leaders. They must be rooted out and destroyed!

The result of failure to do so is too dire to contemplate.

How do you tell a Moslem extremist?
He's the one who's a moslem.

Islamic Mosque's Saudi Connection
The relationship the Boston Mosque’s have to terrorism shouldn’t come as any surprise to anyone. Chances are most Mosques are financed and controlled by the radical factions of Islam from Saudi, Iran and Libya. Building these Mosques across the US is probably a part of a long term plan put into place years ago to help them gain a foothold in most American communities. Once here it is very easy to switch over to the more radical and violent factions of Islam. Strategically they are way ahead of us in their preparation for the war on our soil. Think of each Mosque as a sort of fort for them to keep weapons, money and other equipment needed to fight a war. Our government better wake up and infiltrate these Islamic communities and find out what were up against and when. The US should start immediately to shut the Mosques down and start deporting all Muslims that aren’t American citizens. If we don’t get prepared soon it will be a long and bloody ordeal we will have to fight or we’ll all have to convert to Islam.

baseballdoc & Ralph
When Milosevic ordered the extermination of the Islamo-fascists that had been a threat to his nation for years Clinton gave support to the terrorist peoples.
When Reno ordered the extremination of a cult (misrepresentative of Christianity) that posed no threat to America, Clinton supported her.
It appears that Democrats love fellow fascists as the Islamists but have a great hate for anyone associated in anyway with Christianity.


Where is Reno when we need her most?
Good point basballdoc. As one of the Supreme's said "the constitution is not a suicide pact." We need to dust off the sedition laws and start prosecuting. Like everything, we'll probably overstep on some, but at least we may not have to worry about our children and grandchildren having their throats cut by an Islamo-Nazi like christians in Lebanon ( a former christian country) do. They too took the tolerant road with the throat cutter religion and got intolerance in return.

What can we do?

.....Kerrin...

.....use the Janet Reno approach ...she did not have any qualms about having FBI operatives infiltrate the Davidian's Compound (Those fanatical crazy Christians)...and ordering Army tanks to pump in deadly gas to rout them out ...

.....just treat Muslims the way the Clinton Administration treated Christians .....COLOSSUS

Where's the ACLU?
If some Catholic church had been granted such a sweetheart land deal, the ACLU would be all over them, filing lawsuit after lawsuit, claiming a violation of the ever-invisible "separation of church and state" clause of the Constitution.

Ah, but these aren't peaceful Catholics, these are terrorists, and job #1 for the ACLU is to make sure terrorists are free to murder as many people as possible.

A couple of years ago, the ACLU took the case of a mulsim woman who was denied a driver's licence because she refused to remove the veil covering her face for the photo on said license. They claimed it was her "constitutional right" to be granted an ID that cannot be used to ID her.

At the same time, a Catholic woman was fired from her job as a teacher. The grounds that was given by the public school's administrator was she was fired because she wore a small cross around her neck. The administrator admits that said teacher never preached or otherwise refered to any religion in class, but that she was merely fired because of the 1" cross.

The ACLU avoided the teacher's case. Gee, are we surprised?

What, are you kidding me?
The government of the U.S. shutting down religeous houses? The lawsuits and outrage in the "land of the free" would be outrageously obscene! Leave it to the government to flush this country down the toilet, by bending over backwards to illegal aliens who are threatening to sue over their "right" to stay in this country!? For example, $1.7 billion spent on an illegal alien tracking program that does NOT work! Imagine paying 17,000 "bounty hunters" $100,000 each ($1.7 billion)to round up 1 illegal alien each day (365 each per year). This WOULD work and produce 6,205,000 illegals to be deported in one year! Now you tell me which way is our money better spent??? The governments BIG LIE that we cannot round up 11,000,000, is just that, a BIG LIE!! It can be done in less than 2 years!! We have the resources, but the politicians, AARRGGHH, you CANNOT trust ANY politicians to do the right thing!! It is like the word politician is synonymous with a liar, a cheat, a thief, a sleazeball!!

Mr. Turbin,
I mean Durbin from my home state, rebutted the president last night. That limp wristed defeatism is what you can expect from the left. Outright denial is what we get from the GOP rich boys.

At some point it will not be about profits, or multiculturalism, it will be about the preservation of our way of life. When will we act , and how bad will it get before we do is the $64 question.

Politicians suck! Every single one of them. The only answer is to get money out of politics, or institute term limits.

11h

What can an individual do?
This article speaks to my deepest concerns for the area in which I live. What I want to know is - what can we do? There are two mosques in my area - how do I know what they are planning? What can the average citizen do today? Anything? Is it reactionary to wonder if one day, cells will become active and "the enemy" will walk through my woods taking out non muslims where they are found? Again, what can we do?

The Great Betrayal
These mosques are jihad training grounds. The very idea of allowing more Muslims to immigrate to the US is sheer madness and the greatest betrayal of America ever perpetrated by the elite class in this country.

Furthermore, contrary to Kabanni, these Muslims are not "extremists" but merely being faithful to the Quran. The true "moderate" Muslim is a non-observant Muslim.

Exposing the extremists is the 1st step
shutting them down, or taking the back is the 2nd. Are Moderate Moslems up to it?

Are there any moderates besides Muhammad Hisham Kabbani?
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