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Tuesday, March 20, 2007
Janice Shaw Crouse :: Townhall.com Columnist
What about the morality of homosexual behavior?
by Janice Shaw Crouse
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Pity poor Peter Pace. When asked point blank by the Chicago Tribune if he thought that homosexual behavior was immoral, he had the temerity, the audacity, the impertinence, the gall and the bad judgment to respond — get this — in the affirmative. Predictably, he set off shock waves among the politically correct. Can you imagine someone of his level of experience –– you don’t get to be Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff overnight or by making off-the-cuff remarks –– painting himself into such a corner? What was he thinking, poor fellow? Surely he knows better than to give his personal opinions when asked for his personal beliefs on a matter.

I suppose it just goes to show what can happen to a person’s thinking if he spends his professional life in the military with all those rules and stuff about obeying orders. Too much Marine discipline can influence the way you think. I mean, calling homosexual behavior immoral is so old fashioned, so rigid, so moralistic, so Judeo-Christian. What a throwback to the antiquated ideas of the nineteenth century or earlier. You have to wonder how someone at his level could be such a quaint, old fashioned, fuddy-duddy straight arrow.

Never mind that Pace’s views represent the teaching of all the major religions of the world. Never mind that Pace’s views are mainstream for virtually all cultures in human history. Never mind that polls clearly show that Americans are consistent in their agreement with Pace toward homosexual behavior. Never mind that Charles Moskos, a military sociologist at Northwestern University, told the Tribune that he has repeatedly heard enlisted members oppose gays in the military because “it’s a question of cohesion, but morality is something they always bring up.” Never mind that in 1993 General Colin Powell viewed homosexuality as “incompatible” with a military setting.

Certainly, expressing views based in morality is not a good career move for anyone in today’s non-judgmental society –– especially a military man –– what with the left in control of Congress and liberals under the control of the lavender lobby.

I’m guessing that General Pace’s world view is so out-of-date that if you asked him what he thought about to two neighbors unhappy in their own marriages who found understanding, solace and comfort in each others arms, he’d probably think that was immoral as well. Actually, I don’t have to guess. He likened homosexual behavior (forbidden in the military in 1993 by Section 654, Title 10) to a heterosexual soldier committing adultery (an offense prohibited by the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Article 134). What a Neanderthal. Heaven only knows what else he’s against.

Fortunately, Hillary and Obama are around to correct the flaws in his thinking. Can’t have people in positions of leadership letting their own particular personal convictions — grounded in centuries-old near-universal religious teaching about sodomy — cloud their judgment. It took Hillary a try or two to get things properly triangulated, but she finally came down squarely adjacent to the side that says homosexual behavior is most certainly not immoral (her traditional Methodist heritage notwithstanding). She and her friends in the denomination have had plenty of experience in contradicting Methodism’s Book of Discipline. Given her extensive experience in adjudicating moral matters, I guess she knows a thing or two about what “is” and “is” not immoral.

By the way, it was Hillary Clinton’s husband who promulgated the disastrous “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy in 1994 –– the very policy that General Pace was addressing when he made his remarks. You’ll recall that the policy prohibits commanders from asking about a service person’s sexual preference, just as it prohibits service personnel from revealing their sexual preference. Continued...

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Janice Shaw Crouse is a former speechwriter for George H. W. Bush and now political commentator for the Concerned Women for America Legislative Action Committee.
 
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DADT revisited
Go to

http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=ZDNhMTRhYmU3MWI4YWFkODU4YzhkNzUwM2Y2NGZjNGM=

and read this article about homosexuals in the military.

No more
du writes: Saturday, March, 31, 2007 5:28 PM

"You're not disputing movwater's comments, or you agree with him, so I composited.
Easier to address you both."

Well, no wonder it was confusing! I resent your taking the easy way out. If you want to talk to me, talk to me alone.

"If that's confusing, that's unintentional, you seem the same in intent and opinion.
You tend to take half of my statements and only address them partially."

Maybe that's because you attribute movewater's statements and opinions to me. What do you expect?

""who's putting what behaviors together, be specific"
It was movwater and many other posters who conflated murder and addiction, rape and adultery with homosexuality."

Well, then shoot at them, not me.

"But you're not disagreeing, so that's why addressed you together, you haven't written anything to show you disagree with that."

Doubly false. First, it's not up to me to address all comments made by other posters. What weird logic to imply that, or to say that I agree with everything posted that I don't spceifically comment on. You wouldn't accept that criticism of you, and I get to pick and chose how I spend my time. Second, I did in several instances distance myself from any such statements.

You seem to be too angry to read carefully, make wild accusations, deliberately make subtle changes in my comments when you imply that you are quoting me, engage in destructive comments, and appear to be just spoiling for a fight. You won't get any from me. I will disconneect as you can't seem to be honest about it.

"But being open and honest is a character trait too. And forcing someone NOT to be, doesn't make sense."

Right - Cliton's policy is stupid. And what kind of a girly-man lets women do his fighting?

"We allow Muslim soldiers to fight in our ranks, while at war with an Islamic country."

Yeah, that's stupid, isn't it? Read this from slate.msn:

'The most disturbing story of the war so far is the fragging at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait. According to news reports, on March 23, Sgt. Asan Akbar rolled a grenade into each of three tents of sleeping officers and senior NCOs of the 101st Airborne Division. Then he allegedly shot the soldiers with an automatic weapon as they fled from their tents. Two of them, a major and a captain, died, and 14 others were injured.'

'The episode is unsettling for a number of reasons, most of all because it exposes a fact about our military that commanders have tried their best to ignore: the presence of radical, anti-American Muslims in the ranks. Akbar, a convert to Islam, reportedly said when he was captured: "You guys are coming into our countries and you're going to rape our women and kill our children." It's increasingly clear that there is a small group of soldiers for whom anti-American fatwas issued in mosques around the world supercede the oath of loyalty they took to their nation.'

He was sentenced to death. There's more - read on:

'The last year has witnessed three incidents, including Akbar's, suggesting the radicalization of Muslim soldiers. Beltway sniper suspect and former Army Sgt. John Allen Muhammad converted to Islam in 1985, around the same time he moved from the National Guard into the regular Army, according to news reports. During the first Gulf War, Muhammad may have been involved in a fragging incident very similar to last week's.'

'Shortly before Muhammad's murder spree, a black American Muslim named Jeffrey Leon Battle was among those arrested in Oregon, one of a group called the Portland Six accused of ties to al-Qaida. Battle was a former Army Reservist. According to the Justice Department, he planned to wage war against Americans in Afghanistan and may have joined the Army Reserves in order to learn how to kill American soldiers. And in May 2002, the feds arrested a Seattle-based Muslim cleric named Semi Osman as part of an investigation of a terrorist training camp in Oregon. Osman, a mechanic in the Navy Reserves, had access to fuel trucks similar to the type used in the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 U.S. airmen. In January, he pleaded guilty to a weapons charge.'

'One of the weirdest stories of a radical Muslim is that of Ali Mohamed. According to various reports that surfaced after 9/11, Mohamed came to the United States in 1986 while he was a major in the Egyptian army, and secretly, a member of Islamic Jihad. After marrying an American, he enlisted in the U.S. Army and rose to the rank of sergeant. A busy soldier, he taught a class on Islamic fundamentalist perceptions of America to special forces at Fort Bragg, N.C., and also taught at the JFK Special Operations Warfare School where he stole classified military documents. After he was discharged from the Army in 1989, he hooked up with Osama Bin Laden's nascent al-Qaida operation. Using his new American passport and connections, he spent the '90s traveling around the world helping plot terror operations. The FBI finally arrested him in 1998, and he eventually pleaded guilty to conspiring with Osama Bin Laden to attack Western targets.'

What idiots! Are my two servicemen sons going to get killed by guys wearing American flag patches?

"And if having gay sex, makes gay people happy, and in the same standard we want for straight couples, then you STILL have no reason to object.
Churches can be unrealistic in this way. Very."

You think that it's unrealistic to follow God's word. I don't. One of us is wrong. Good luck, and goodbye.



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