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Thursday, April 17, 2008
Janet M. LaRue :: Townhall.com Columnist
Why Didn't Campbell Brown and Jon Meacham Ask the Tough Questions?
by Janet M. LaRue
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If Ben Stein watched CNN’s “Democratic Candidates Compassion Forum” Sunday night, he may be considering a sequel to his forthcoming movie: Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. The sequel will be Expelled II: The Search for Potential Life. There’s no intelligence here either.

The co-hosts of the forum at Messiah College, CNN’s Campbell Brown and Newsweek editor Jon Meacham, questioned Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on “issues of faith and compassion and how a president’s faith can affect us all,” including some “deeply personal” questions.

Meacham asked both presidential candidates about their faith and abortion: The transcript is available here.   

MEACHAM: Senator, do you believe personally that life begins at conception?

CLINTON: I believe that the potential for life begins at conception. I am a Methodist, as you know. My church has struggled with this issue. In fact, you can look at the Methodist Book of Discipline and see the contradiction and the challenge of trying to sort that very profound question out.

MEACHAM: Senator, do you personally believe that life begins at conception? And if not, when does it begin?

OBAMA: This is something that I have not, I think, come to a firm resolution on. I think it’s very hard to know what that means, when life begins. Is it when a cell separates? Is it when the soul stirs? So I don't presume to know the answer to that question. What I know, as I've said before, is that there is something extraordinarily powerful about potential life and that that has a moral weight to it that we take into consideration when we’re having these debates.

One can only imagine Ben Stein following up when Brown and Meacham dropped the ball:

Stein: Senator Obama, if you don’t know when life begins, how do you know when potential life begins?

Obama: I think I haven’t come to a firm resolution on that either.

Stein: How does “potential life” begin in the first place?

Clinton: It’s a very profound question.

Stein: Right now, I’d settle for a semi-profound answer.

Obama: I think it’s very hard to know.

Stein: Are you saying that organic matter comes from nonorganic matter?

Obama: I think I don’t presume to know the answer.

Stein: I guess you weren’t personally in the pew the day they taught biology.

Clinton: It’s a difficult question that my church has struggled with.

Stein: Didn’t you people learn in your science class that a living organism can only arise from other living organisms similar to itself?

Obama: Maybe it’s when the cell divides.

Stein: But how does a cell divide if it isn’t alive?

Obama: There is something extraordinarily powerful about potential life.

Clinton: The Methodist Book of Discipline has a contradiction about it.

Stein: And so do you. But you haven’t answered the question. How does life come from nonlife?

Obama: It’s soul-stirring.

Clinton: It’s challenging.

Stein: But you haven’t answered the questions! You never answer the questions! Why don’t you just answer the questions?!

Better yet, why didn’t Brown and Meacham ask? And why didn’t any of the “distinguished, bipartisan audience of faith leaders from around the country” ask when they were given the floor?

And why didn’t somebody ask Clinton and Obama how they can wholeheartedly support abortion, including partial birth abortion, if they don’t know when life begins? Where is the morality in that? And where’s the compassion in jamming scissors into a baby’s neck?

Brown did ask “end of life” questions of both candidates. Apparently, it didn’t occur to either of them, or the hosts or audience, that abortion is an end of life question that Obama and Clinton had already answered.

For further reflection on the fallacy of “potential life,” see the author’s essay.

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Jan LaRue is Senior Legal Analyst with the American Civil Rights Union; former Chief Counsel at Concerned for Women; Legal Studies Director at Family Research Council; and Senior Counsel for the National Law Center for Children and Families. Be the first to read Janet LaRue's column. Sign up today and receive Townhall.com delivered each morning to your inbox.
Potential Life
Is there any in that party of bankruptcy - the Democrats?

Janet M. LaRue
Lets get real here.

Life exists before conception. The egg and the sperm are alive, they are produced by other live cells, cells are alive.

The real question is not "does life begin at conception" after all most pro-life supporters are not against killing life. It is not "life" that they value. They don't protest the harvesting of crops, or the butchering of cattle. Rather what pro-life supporters believe is that "human life" begins at conception.

And here is the problem, because what it means to be human, the essence of humanity, is not present upon conception, and is arguably not present upon delivery... By which I mean that the distinction between man, ameba, plant and beast takes time to develop.

The pro human life movement has a tricky proposition to defend. That is that there is a thing called "human life" distinct from all other life. That the one is of intrinsic value, while the other is only of value for humans.

And all that they must support... Even when they don't contradict themselves by supporting post birth abortion... In the forms of war, capital punishment, etc.

Abortion is just one aspect
of the death-dealing liberalism, once a fine and idealistic philosophy, that has corrupted Am. politics for the last 40 years.

The left has destroyed the black family and is working on the rest. In 1960, BEFORE the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, 95% of black families were intact. The illegitimacy rate was under 10 percent. Now, in high schools in Camden and Trenton, NJ, there have been abominable statistics like 85% pregnancy among teen girls and 50% overall dropout rates for basically black schools.

The above comes from 1) the welfare rights movement that nearly bankrupted NYC in the '70s;
2) the drug culture the left loves;
3) the sexual revolution that the left still trumpets as a feat of liberation--it has liberated us into 56 veneral diseases, with at least three of them incurable (viruses) and one implacbly fatal (AIDS);
4) the destruction of the pub. ed. system, once a model for the world, but now merely another social agency for experimental engineering; in 1972, the pres. of the NEA said schools would be the engines of social change--and they surely have been: the engines of drug dealing and low-level criminality and holding pens for the illiterate.

Although the press and academia regularly lambasts the nation for failure of Rep. Congresses and administrations (of which there have only briefly been concurrent Rep. presidents and Congresses in the last 70 years), all of the above were generated and continue to be supported by Dems. and the left.

When either Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama speaks on any subject, neither shows any comprehension of the dire consequences of all the things they have already promoted and yet can't wait to spend tax monies on when they are elected.

Uber
I don't think you will find many unborn out committing murder, so let's not make the comparison with capital punishment. Liberals will never take the side of the victim. In the case of abortion, it is the unborn child. In the case of capital punishment, the real victim is the murder victim. I think you will agree there is a big difference between Ted Bundy and an unborn child.

oblama on Abortion!
How do you defend the practice of ignoring the medical needs of a baby that survived a partial birth abortion attempt? oblama did! Read it an defend it!

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=37080

Uber
While you added pro HUMAN life to the phrase, I would take it one step further and add the phrase innocent.

Pro innocent human life.

I have issues with killing innocent human life whether it be in war, death penalty or abortion.

Yale student offers up multiple
abortions as ART. See recent article by Amanda Carpenter.

Pro Choicers should be real proud of this abortion rights spokeperson. What a prize.

The missing LaRue!
Human life begins at conception. The fertilized oocyte, in the vast majority of cases will develop into a thinking and (hopefully) reasoning adult human. The human animal needs nurturing from conception to 10 years old (with a window of say 5 years, depending on the parents/guardians and the child). Stopping a pregnancy ends a human life. Without conception, which in the vast, vast majority of cases is a volitional, un-coerced reproductive event, no human is formed. A sperm and egg, while living cells, are not a human. A fertilized goat egg will become a goat, a fertilized worm egg, a worm, a fertilized human egg, a human.

An abortion ends a human life. All other terms and phrases are intended to confuse the issue. Whether you are in favor of allowing women the choice to end the life of their offspring at some point prior to it emerging from the uterus at about 9 months or prohibiting such acts, as a society we should at least be able to agree on the essential biology.

on
I think the FAITH they spoke of here...

on Faith
I think the FAITH they spoke of here, was that you had to have faith that in their vague answers was actually actionable truth..

Riiiggghhtt....

(Back to my guns, God, and immigrant bashing, my typical white behavior...)

LIFE BEGINS
on the 21st birthday. Before that, if you are not satisfied with how your kid turns out, you can get a post birth abortion.

Life
All human cells except sex cells (sperm and egg) have 46 chromosomes and they multiply by mitosis (split in two). Sex cells (sperm and egg) have ony 23 chromosomes and form by meiosis. Once sperm and egg meet and conception occurs, the new cell becomes its own being with 46 chromosomes, 23 from mom and 23 from dad. Biologically, a "seaparate life" begins at conception.

Real Debates
Tough questions, real answers, held accountable for what you say. Nixon vs Kennedy.

There should not be an audience. It should be on a stage with a moderator. Tell us your answer and let your opponet counter.

We may actually learn why we should vote for one person over another.

The debates today should be labeled jokes.

Wow
Wow, in the made-up dialogue put in the mouths of the candidates they looked very silly. Odd that they would say such vapid things. Well not say them, but have the words written after their names in such a fashion. You sure showed them.

CubeCommander: unborn future mass murder


"I don't think you will find many unborn out committing murder," Though some do. There are cases of one twin killing another twin prenatal. Should they be executed. If not, is it because you deny that a unborn child is fully human? If they are not fully human, can they have full human rights? If they are fully human, why not execute six year old murders?

"so let's not make the comparison with capital punishment."

Why because you find the contradiction of being pro death for those accused of some criminal activities, in constant with being pro life for those uncaused. And that doesn't even begin to factor in how many pro life supporters have no problem with people dying from preventable human and natural causes... Threw neglect or simply denial of the basic needs for the maintenance of life.

The "life" in "pro life," is so narrowly defined that "pro life" it is morally ambiguous at best and evil and worst in it's exclusion of the right to human life in all it's diversity, except when it comes to the life which exists for nine months in the womb of a human, the humanity of which is objectively ambiguous at best and definitely lacking at worst.

"Liberals will never take the side of the victim."

Liberals don't take sides, Liberals believe in the rule of law.... And by that they don't mean congeries courts using coerced confessions.

"In the case of abortion, it is the unborn child."

And in the case of your hamburgers is it the cow?

"In the case of capital punishment, the real victim is the murder victim."

But want doesn't fallow is that the victimizer is the accused. Accusation does not render guilt.


CubeCommander: protect the unborn murder
"I think you will agree there is a big difference between Ted Bundy and an unborn child."

I do, "unborn child" is a faceless category of which Ted Bundy was a member for presumably nineish months. Ted Bundy is a definitive personality, even mythic.

If we are in the business of making moral choices about categories, how about "unborn future mass murderers" should we protect that category of unborn?

western bondbeam: blood for blood


"innocent human life"
Of course many Christians believe that children are born with original sin. So they are hardly innocent. The only way to become innocent many say is to be cleansed with the body and blood of Jesus Christ. OR to be baptized. Many think even then you need last rights. Some Christians even think we can never escape our sine and we are dammed accept for the sacrifice Jesus Christ made for us on the cross.

Sin after all is the ultimate wrong... Sin is considered much worse than murder... You can kill innocent women and children in Baghdad all day long and dress them up as enemy combatants, but if you give your self to Jesus Christ you will be cleansed of all your sins and still get to heaven.

And you can live an exemplary life of christen virtue, and be condemned to hell for just denying god.

In this perversion of reality, how can we even make moral clams killing since there is not innocents but threw the magic of worshiping the tortured remains of a middle eastern martyr, threw mock cannibalism of his remains.
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