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Monday, March 02, 2009
Jackie Gingrich Cushman :: Townhall.com Columnist
Triple First, then Halve
by Jackie Gingrich Cushman
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The Obama administration’s economists proved this week that they are mathematical wizards by determining that -- to end up with a higher number and claim it has been halved -- it first has to be tripled.

President Obama’s budget proposal released this past week projects the 2009 deficit (including the 2009 portion of the stimulus and $247 billion for TARP) to be $1.8 trillion. This estimated 2009 deficit also includes a $250 billion “placeholder for potential additional financial stabilization efforts” to come.

This same document noted the actual 2008 unified budget deficit was $459 billion.

If you triple the 2008 deficit – you get $1.4 trillion, which is close to the projected 2009 budget deficit without the $250 billion plug figure (call it what you want – that’s what it is – something to be named later). Math is interesting in that you can flip numbers in equations around and get different answers.

For example, Obama can also state that, based on his proposed budget, the deficit in 2012 will be 27% higher than the 2008 deficit, but it does not sound nearly as good.

At the end of 2008 the U.S. debt was $10 trillion, equating to $32,599 for every person in the United States. While Obama talks about cutting the deficit in half in his proposed budget, his budget reflects an increase in debt to $16 trillion at the end of 2012. Based on U.S. Census data, this will equate to $51,137 per person. While he is cutting the deficit in half, he is increasing the debt by 62%.

You might wonder, how is this possible? It does not make sense. The much-touted “cut the deficit in half by the end of the president's first term" by White House Budget Director Peter Orszag is done by increasing the current year projected deficit.

“Therefore, while our budget will run deficits, we must begin the process of making the tough choices necessary to restore fiscal discipline; cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term in office, and put our nation on sound fiscal footing,” notes Obama in his message at the beginning of the budget.

The words sound wonderful, but the numbers look ridiculous. What he forgot to mention is that he increased the deficit from $459 billion in 2008 to $1,752 billion in 2009. It’s easier to cut something in half after you have tripled it.

Having watched politicians speak for almost four decades (yes, I began watching when I was in grammar school), Obama’s speech, both in content and delivery, was masterful. Young, confident, handsome and charismatic, he was a hit with the public, resulting in an increase in the public’s perception of his ability to handle the economic crisis, and an increase in his job approval rating.

He is certainly handling the crisis well for those who believe that “more” and “government” are words that belong together. He is ramping up federal spending and debt to a level that is frightening. At the end of 2008, our debt equaled 70% of GDP. In Obama’s proposed budget, the 2012 debt equals 97% of GDP.

Louisiana Governor Jindal, who gave the Republican response to Obama’s speech, has been panned by pundits on both sides of the aisle. While the location appeared as staged as it was (Jindal walking down the hall to the podium) and his delivery lacked the emotion and charisma of the president – his words clearly outlined the choices we have to face.

“Democratic leaders in Washington, they place their hope in the federal government. We place our hope in you, the American people,” he said.

Jindal continued, “In the end, it comes down to an honest and fundamental disagreement about the proper role of government. We oppose the national Democratic view that says the way to strengthen our country is to increase dependence on government. We believe the way to strengthen our country is to restrain spending in Washington, to empower individuals and small businesses to grow our economy and create jobs.”

Right now, the people in our nation are placing their faith in the federal government and in its ability to fix the crisis by spending trillions of dollars, to cut the deficit in half after tripling it.

I agree with Jindal, “Americans can do anything.” We just have to decide that we want to.

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Jackie Cushman is a freelance writer who lives in Atlanta, Georgia. Her column also runs later in the week in the Northside Neighbor.
 
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All you BDS people
you complained Bush increased the federal debt by $5 trillion in his 8 years in office. Obama promises to increase it by $6 trillion in 4 and everyone knows that never has a politician been accurate on their projections. They are always short on estimated spending and increased taxes. But all the Democrats are cheering him because all this deficit spending will now get us out of the hole that has been dug. Don't forget that the first 6 years of Bush with a Republican congress "only" increased the debt by $2.6 trillion. In the last two years of Democratic control of Congress another $2.4 trillion have been added. So, I guess we really know who is responsible for spending.

Jackie
It's hard to inspire people with reason when all they want is a free lunch.

I hate to say it, but for the first time in my life, I'm ashamed of a good portion of my countrymen.

At this point, we have to wait on obamas policies to fail. It would help if the rinos would grow a backbone.

This Is Just Moving the Deck Chairs
I just had a talk with my son who does (did?) merges and acquistions for arguably the most prestigious law firm in the country. He's been predicting this credit and economic crisis for over a year now.

His opinion? The subprime mortagage crisis is just a prelude to the real crash of our banking system as banks, always leveraged out in normal times, begin losing billions as commercial projects go south and default.

Your cash is not safe anywhere. There is no way to predict which of the big banks will go down. The (temporary) $250,000 per account federal insurance isn't worth much, backed up by a bankrupt country.

A conservative who attended NYU law, my son understands a little about these libs including BO and his henchmen, who have spent their lives in libraries and know nothing about the real world.

They are clueless ideologues whose policies are going to take us all down. My solution: God, guns, gold and gardens. My son recommends the Argentine approach: Rifles, handguns, bullet-proof vests, food storage, survivalist supplies and small gold rings.

What are you going to do? Stand on the corner trading a Kugaraand? All you'll get is a bullet in the brain. However, in Argentina, when cash was worthless, you could gold rings for a little food.

We are having a severe drought in CA. No one is planting much, if anything. Things could get real ugly. Prepare for the worst.

The only man in the world...
It's called deceit.

It's called say anything, do anything.

And when it comes to doing anything to get what it wants, Obama and the Dems have no equal. I think it is pretty clear that, in order to get McLame nominated, they voted early and often in the Republican primaries, often crosing state lines when they could do so.

Obama took millions in illegal campaign contributions from overseas and has hidden the data. He wasn't even born in America.

Of course he couldn't have gotten away with it with out the complicity of Big Media. Do anything, Say Anything. The only man in America to speak out against the Born Alive Protection Act. The Born Alive Abortion President, coming to a socialist state near you.

The only man in America, in the world, to speak out against the Born Alive Protection Act.

Bottom line
Of all the misfeasance and malfeasance Dumbo can lie his way out of, the debt is the one i worry about least. Even the most brain challenged voter can look at the debt in 2000, the debt when Bush left, and what the debt will be in 2012. The amount and the rate will be obvious to the most casual observer. Even more obvious will be the height of the walls of the tank we will be in. If Dumbo can float us up and out of this one, i'll vote for him in 2012 myself.

Ummm, the big problem ....
The big problem is, this is the democrats giving hundreds of billions away to the "big fat filthy rich corporate pigs" that they have told us for decades they hate... and that the republicans, according to the now it's obvious they were lying all along demcorats, supposedly supported with every corporate welfare whim.
NO DEMOCRATS, it is you, and you have proven it beyond a shadow of any doubt.
It makes sense, actually. You democrats have infiltrated and disgraced yourselves into every bloated federal, state, and local government payola job for DECADES, and now the government, so powerful, virtually controls every tiny aspect of any business starting up .... so OF COURSE you democrats are the real OWNERS of the fat pig corporate trough....the very trough you whined, weaseled, and lied was the republicans central purpose.
It's clear to me now - as you democrats took over and pigged it up with tax dollars, regulating and controlling every business under the sun, you shoved those you hated out (republicans) and wound up paying off the poor and lying through your teeth, to keep your fat pig friendly payola positions...
Now your fat pig democorp masters are in trouble, having lived the lies you wrote into lobbyist law for they, your very best friends, and you're spilling out trillions to cover up your sick sad trail and save your best budddies in the world.... as you "trickle down" NOTHING to the "poor, tired, and opressed" you have claimed my entire life to represent.
Yes, you'll puke out a pathetic 40 or 80 billion in some "teensy, tiny, welfare once only stimulus check" while the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS AND TRILLIONS EVAPORATE INTO YOUR CORPORATE PARTNERS POCKETS!
It's not the republicans, no, it never was, it was the lying demoncrats all along.

WAKE UP
And smell the coffee folks (or the smoke, I think Rome is burning)

It is NOT about wanting to do the right thing. He will win when the economy fails and fails miserably by playing more smoke and mirrors. After all, if everybody can swallow the swill that spending more money and growing larger government will improve our economy, they'll accept any amount of bull-crap he can dish out.

It is about Power and Control. They are already pushing to remove term limits for POTUS.

How much power and control will you have over your own life when the government is the over-arching watchdog and disciplinarian?

Obama, Reid, Pelosi and others in our government are those "Domestic Enemies" that the oath to defend the constitution are talking about.

Get it? They are the ENEMIES of our REPUBLIC.

the only equality they want is for us all to be equally miserable while they ride high above the 'clattering' masses (to coin a phrase from Chuck Schumer)

READ the Patriot Post. Educate yourselves.

TIME FOR A REVOLUTION.

Beyond Clinton
Bill Clinton was the master of telling a new lie everyday to get people to forget the one he told yesterday. Obama is one step beyond that...tell a bigger lie every day so people will be so busy trying to refute it, that they completely ignore the hundred he told the day before. Of course, the MSM will not question him, so the sheeple will go on believing he's the "chosen one". Actually, he is the chosen one, chosen by the Chigago machine, which has been proven to be the most corrupt political entity in America.

New Math for a New Day
We progressives are not tied to outmoded and obsolete limitations forced on us by those who wish only to oppress us.

Logic, mathematics, science and reason are Euro-centric, male oriented, racist concepts that have enslaved the peoples for far too long.

Two plus two equals four? No longer, not always. Answers to mathematical equations must have a correct sociological component before they can be approved. This is the new way, and you conservatives had better damn well get on board. We will be watching you!

One example of the new way will illustrate correct thinking. Use it to pattern your opinions on all of our contemporary issues.

Two people, A and B, invest $1000 at 10% annually. What is their returns at the end of one year?

Wrong? It cannot be said to be $100. A is a single mother, a minority and bisexual. Thus, she is a triple victim of American gangster capitalistic wage slavery. B is a hedge fund investor. Therefore, A shall earn $300. The return for B will be spread about the community and he will engage in 30 minutes of public self criticism.

Reationaries who cannot, or will not, accept the new way will soon see that The Party does not always have to show compassion and leniency and can aggressively condition malignants who foolishly cling to old ways.


This morning
Pelosi said it was Bush's fault the bill they just passed had earmarks in it. The reason, the bill was started in the summer but never sent to the president. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Obombo defined

sha·man \'shä-m?n, 'sha- also sh?-'män\ n, pl shamans [ultim. fr. Evenki (Tungusic language of Siberia) šaman] (1698)
1 : a priest or priestess who uses magic for the purpose of curing the sick, divining the hidden, and controlling events

Triple First, then Halve
More deceit and smoke and mirrors. A "charismatic" delivery does not make a good president make! That is practically the only talent the pretender has to "dazzle" the Obamabots with.

M. McBride on 2/25/09: No, successful leadership is not a collection of harmonically pleasant banal oratories given to audiences packed with sycophantic ovine. Unfortunately, President Obama has decided that his role is to help this country through our economic challenge via a collection of feel-good, audibly-pleasing, highly scripted, tele-prompted events that are somehow supposed to be a substitute for a real Presidency. But nothing exposes his weakness as a President more than his addiction to talking-point laden, jargon potent speeches that are crammed into a schedule that is more like that of a candidate than that of a sitting President. No, leadership is not buzzwords and speeches; sometimes you actually have to do the work and throw away a few greasy shirts in the process. Get off the stump Mr. President, and get to work.

Nothing short of a massive socialistic manifesto for BIG government at the expense of that precious and rare (but already dwindling) commodity: Freedom. The pretender’s agenda will mandate government control of the lives AND minds of our children and the elderly; bookends that will trap the once productive adults in the middle to do government’s bidding while being taxed to oblivion. Nice one America!

KISS the numbers
Keep it simple. They've passed cigarette taxes and will pass gas and utility taxes which will manifest into everything including the food on your table. Thousands of dollars per year for their sham of a government plan that throws dollars at an already bloated bureaucracy. If the government could do anything right we would be the richest and most efficient country in the world. Instead were the most indebted and have screwed up a system that somehow makes us better off than anyone else in the world except for maybe an Arab emirate or island paradise.

The gripe has been against GOP controlled finances when dims constantly use their media arm the pmm (Progaganda Media Machine aka msm) even when out of power to keep their pet projects showered in money and demonize any adjustments to drilling, nuclear, Social Security or illegal alien costs.

People should be well aware that Obama was scamming everybody even when he was upfront about carbon taxes and wealth distribution because most of us knew he would start the bankruptcy of the country for his agenda. And he hasn't wasted any time. And he doesn't care what it costs YOU!

Dance Numbers! Dance!
You can esaily "spin" numbers so that the same set of figures can be portrayed in a variety of different ways. Ask any good accountant.

This was a good article that showed some very basic figures in a differet way than Obama would like us to see them. I was disheartened that the deficit increased as much as it did under Bush, but those numbers were small in comparison to what will be occurring in the next few years. And don't kin yourself, taxes will increase but as they do they will stifle growth and we will more than likely be in for a vicious period of inflation and the United State moving down a rung or several rungs on the economic world ladder. A debtor nation, beholden to others, possibly becoming a "second rate country" - all don't sound very exciting to me.

Triple first, then cut in half...
...is a net increase of 50%. [illustrated for the lefty ignoramuses: 10X3=30, 30/2=15, 15 is 50% greater than 10, as in 50% of 10 = 5, 5+10 = 15] Isn't that remindful of the old Stalinist, Kruschevian Soviet slogan: "two steps forward, one step backward"?

And, as the point has already been made, if Bush and Bush-Republicans were so eeeviiil when they drafted their huge budgets, aren't Obama and his cronies more evil drafting vastly huger budgets?

Obama Causing Prices To Sky Rocket
The sky is falling is Obama's message which always includes doom and gloom leading to - it's urgent that we print trillions more dollars - but I'm not eliminating the 9,000 earmarks for my supporters like corrupt ACORN who goes out and gets fraudulent voters to sign up - and talked Congress into agreeing to give out fraudulent home loans that would bankrupt a great nation - If Hawaii is claiming that he is a U.S. citizen born in Hawaii, but won't produce the birth certificate for all of America to see and put the issue to rest - then they need to be the state that's responsible for the fact that they never taught him how to subtract -

Hillary is out there...
Hillary is out there giving away over 900 BILLION to Gaza! Did she promise to give China our land as collateral? (a rumor) Is this money in the budget too? Or is it to be added to the deficit at a later date? And to think I was outraged that GW gave 48 BILLION to thieves and thugs in Africa to "combat AIDS." So our government while stifling us and taxing us out of existance, whining about health care because the slaves (that would be citizens of the U.S.) aren't able to afford health care coverage after they rob us blind, is still playing M'Lady Bountiful and giving away what the do not have. What a deal.

Democrats Love Their Demagogue
It seems to make no difference with the Democrats as to what Obama says, because it sounds so good. He has nearly single-handedly, albeit with as assist from Bush, crushed our economy. He has promised at nearly every turn to curtail our liberties with higher taxes, higher costs, less choices and more over-sight.

I really believe that if Obama, like Jim Jones before him, told his followers to drink cyanide laced Kool Aid because it is confirmation of their trust, the Democrats would do it in a blink of eye. They have lost their minds.

To a Democrat, maybe freedom is over-rated. To me, liberty is everything. If ever there was a President that needed to fail at his plan, it is this one. If Obama and his hate America agenda of punishment through command and control Government succeeds, America will fail.

Predicting a defict
At this stage in the rape of the American People its not possible to predict the defict because BHO is not finished yet, im sure he has many more spending and rewarding bulls coming down the pike, he will not stop until every banker and corp. CEO has socked away several billion dollars to retire on. The only other people who are going to make money is the Dimocrap politicians who are going to pass this free money to the bankers and CEOs, of course some of it will be passed back, there is no accounting with this sum of money being given away. Every dimocrap politician will be set for life with all the money they will need to get reelected forever if they want.

Re: Democrats Love Their Demagogue...
"I really believe that if Obama, like Jim Jones before him, told his followers to drink cyanide laced Kool Aid because it is confirmation of their trust, the Democrats would do it in a blink of eye. They have lost their minds."

This is the best description of their behavior I've seen so far...

To the Streets
Conservatives are notoriously bad about taking to the streets to protest; conservatives' individualism militates against group activities. We must get over this quickly. If we want MSM press coverage--even with lib spin, there would be consciousness-raising value--we must start turning out large numbers in open air protests that can not be ignored. It's time for the New American Revolution to begin!!!

Dr. Chaz
As a conservative my opposition to protests is not individualism, but maturity. Protests were something I always saw as an adult version of a temper tantrum. Lots of stomping and yelling. As I no longer wear diapers or drink a bottle, I also went past temper tantrums. Rather than scream and cry until big daddy government does it for me, I do things myself. Thus, not protests.

Oops
Lats line should read "no protests".

And, in all honesty, what would a protest accomplish? Obama isn't going to stop. Congress won't either. The dissatisfaction is know, just swept under the rug. They will still run with the crisis as far as they can, regardless of popularity.

Protests really will do very little.

What would have helped, if only a little, would have been had conservatives joined with Republicans to select McCain as the lesser of two evils, despite their beliefs "Obama can't do that much harm". (Rethinking that one, I imagine...)

What would have helped more would have been a better candidate, but that's water under the bridge.

No, forget protests, much as they may satisfy. Prepare for 2010 and 2012. Get good candidates on the primary ballots so we aren't stuck with the same deadwood.

That helps more than protests.

I've been saying this was his plan
since he won the election. You triple (or quadruple) the deficiet, then cut it in half. That way you can spend all the money you want, get the programs you want that requires more money, and still pretend that you cut it in half to satisfy the voters. Where is the surprise?

andrews
There have been a few "Tea Parties," but they've gotten little or no press. The PRESS coverage is what makes protests mean something. Good luck with getting the press to cover anything even slightly anti-'bama.

I flunked math in school
So I found a job as a journalist.

That should sum it up. Lawyers and journalists were never really numbers people were they? And we have lawyers running the white house, and we have journalists as their mouthpieces.

Since the majority of the voting masses, at least the ones that voted obama into office are NOT math whizzes...well, we're screwed.

We need to reverse this. WE NEED TO WORK. 2010 is our first battle. We have less than a year and a half to gain more seats in congress and the senate.

PUT THE BRAKES on this socialist steamroller!

Polly
Even if they did get press coverage, what good would it do?

Tell people who don't like Obama that other people don't like him? Tell people who do like Obama that other people don't?

Here is a comparison: Look at all the left-wing trolls here. They are well aware of Obama's shortcomings, they know our thoughts. Has it changed one of them? So why would protests, even with press coverage do anything?

For better or worse, Obama is here for 4 more years, congress is here for 2. Congress may abandon Obama, but not until they ram through everything they want. Then, in a year, if his numbers are low, THEN they will oppose him to win reelection. But for now, nothing is going to help.


Terms
is is like "bait and switch." Or "where's the pea?"
Is it like a sale where the prices are doubled then advertised as 50% off?
Donald W. Bales

koolmuse
Wow, that is one big rant, "
Limbaugh's a big fat greasy obese White guy, drug addict criminal drug-dealer, hypocrite, racist bigot butt-nugget....with a lousy sense of humor." I guess that is better than being a cocaine sniffing dope head.

I see everyone has so much confidence on the Democrat's and Obama's plan so much that the DOW is the lowest since 1979 and heading south. It was predicted before Obama was elected the DOW would hit 4000 with him at the helm. I guess he is doing a bang up job and well on his way to reaching that goal.

Wait until his Cap and Trade hits you and everyone else in the U.S. You will not be able to afford anything about a year after that takes effect.

THIS IS NOT HAL DONAHUE'S WEBSITE!!!!
SJ Doc said Hal was a useful idiot and responding was wise. I thought I'd give it a shot however, I have decided to stick with my original observation... he deserves NO REPLY!

Everytime you feed this useful idiot, he keeps posting ad nauseum. He cannot make a point AS IT RELATES to the column, say his peace, and be done with it. He is an emotional cripple who cannot deal with anyone who doesn't think as he does. It is quite obvious that he has no job and hasn't got a life either. He will bounce back and forth between each column and spew his crap ALL DAY LONG! Don't believe me? Hit "ctrl" "f" and type in his name. It appears more than the word conservative!

THIS IS NOT HIS PERSONAL BLOG PAGE BUT YOU ARE ALL ENABLING HIM TO MAKE IT ONE!!!! If he wants a place of his own on the web let the b'tard go hire someone to create one if he can't do it!

FLAG EVERY ONE OF HIS POSTS AND DON'T RESPOND TO THIS WORLD CLASS A**HOLE!

MOVE ON TO MOVE ON
AT LEAST WITH THE WASHINGTON TIMES REPORTER, KATHERN PARKER SHE DOES OCCASSIONALLY VISIT THE SURFACE FOR AIR. THIS IS AWEFUL,NOT EVEN GIBBS WOULD REPEAT THIS CRAP, AND HE IS THE MOST ENTERTAINING WHITE HOUSE SPOKEMAN EVER.
I AM STILL WAITING TO HEAR WHAT OBAMA ECONOMICAL STRATERGY IS, AND THEN I CAN GIVE AN OPINION ON IT. ACTING LIKE HE WANT TO SOCIALIZE THE BANKS AND THEN STOPPING JUST SHORT OF DOING SO IS SENDING MIX MESSAGES. UNLESS THE MESSAGE IS TO HAVE THE BANKS FAIL. OBAMA DISTRIBUTION OF THE TARP FUNDING AUTHORIZED UNDER THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION IS TOTALING AMAZING. HE IS ON THE CUPSE OF SOCIALIZING ALOT OF STUFF BUT STOP SHORT OF THE LEGAL THRUSHOLD. THIS WHY THE MARKET IS CONFUSED, PERPLEXED, AND CRUSHING AT THE FASTER RATE WEEKLY SINCE HE HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO OFFICE.
WHEN PRESIDENT REAGAN TOOK OVER THE ADMINISTRATION IN THE MIDDLE OF A RECESSION HE STABLIZED THE MARKETS BY COMING UP WITH A PLAN TO PUT AMERICA BACK ON TRACK TO RECOVER FIRST. HE HAD TO DEAL WITH IRAN AND THE IRON CURTAIN, THE COLD WAR AND THE OLD SOVIET UNION ALONG WITH CHINA PRIOR TO THEM ALLOWING IN COMMERCIALISM. REAGAN DID NOT HAVE THE TRADE PARTNERS OBAMA HAVE, THEY WERE ENEMIES WHEN REAGAN TOOK OFFICE, AND BECOMING TRADE PARTNERS BY THE TIME REAGAN LEFT OFFICE. THERE ARE ONLY PIECES OF THE WALL. CHINA IS DEVELOPING INTO A GREAT TRADE PARTNER OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD, THE SOVIET BLOC IS NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE, BUT WITH THE TIMID ACTION OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION RUSSIA IS POSITIONING ITSELF TO REUNITE ALOT OF ITS FORMER PARTS.

Patrick
Please turn off your caps lock key. It is very annoying to read all caps.

koolmuse- prove it.
My, what tolerance, what respect for diversity of opinion from a self admitted feminist liberal.

You accused Limbaugh of a whole lot of labels. Prove every one of them.

Start wih the proven fact Limbaugh is a drug dealer. Cite the convictionn data. Also cite the references where Limbaugh either admits he is a racist, or has been convicted of a racist crime.

If you cant do that all you are doing is slinging mud from the DailyKos and Huff Po mental midgets.

That makes you and your posts nothing but a waste.

Does this sound familiar? Today?
Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalized, and the State will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism.”

— Karl Marx, 1867, Das Kapital

Ask koolmuse to explain what he wrote
We the people" have proven yourselves a stupid, stubborn, ignorant, arrogant
gang of thugs, thieves, murderers, torturers and self-righteous religious
fundamentalist hypocrites…And don't think for a minute that its all going to change
magically in 2009.

The "Great Experiment" has failed. You Americans have proven the fallacy of
Democracy; to wit: "We the people" are indeed just too stupid to govern
yourselves. I just can't think of any other explanation".

koolmuse wrote this and is proud of it. Is this a credibile position ? How did someone come to believe this?.

koolmuse does. Fervently.

More koolmuse to follow

Re: koolmuse...
I can see how you are laughing a lot in your post..I know you are not aware of it but,you are laughing at yourself!
All the things you are spewing at Mr. Limbaugh , and at us on TH, sounds a lot like what the Khmer Rouge spewed in Cambodia, or Stalin in the USSR, or Ceausescu in Romania (where I was exiled from - Thank GOD!).
I feel sorry for your malvolent idiocy. Talking about "drugs" and "drug dealership", I do believe you are projecting (hope you understand the term). Regarding gun ownership, everyone can own a gun in this country, whether legally or illegaly. What matters is HOW one is using his/her gun! I can gurantee you, that once these patient "patriots" will have had enough with the likes of you, you and your "comrades" will stop laughing, mighty fast!
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