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Sunday, January 18, 2009
Jackie Gingrich Cushman :: Townhall.com Columnist
Crisis Management
by Jackie Gingrich Cushman
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Two events this past week provide a strong comparison of how to handle a crisis: the heroic landing of the U.S. Airways jet on the Hudson River, and the release of  more money from the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP).  The first is the story of how a crisis is defused  by levelheaded action. The second story demonstrates just the opposite.

First the Hudson River heroics, the pilot,  “Sully” Sullenberger, safely crash-landed the plane into the river, after geese apparently were sucked into the engines.  The 155 passengers and crew were safely evacuated from the plane.

According to a CNN.com story, “An official who heard tape recordings of the radio traffic from Flight 1549 reported the pilot was extraordinarily calm during the event.

“There was no panic, no hysterics,” the official said. “It was professional, it was calm, it was methodical. It was everything you hoped it could be.”

Prior to ditching the jet, the pilot discussed with the air-traffic controller several options, then decided to land in the Hudson River.  After splashing down and evacuating the plane, Captain Sully WALKED the cabin twice to ensure no one remained aboard. Only then did he make his own way to safety.

This crisis was marked by calm deliberation; options weighed, decisions made, and calm, deliberate follow-up by the captain to ensure that everyone was safe and sound.

Contrast that to the release on the same day of $350 billion, representing the second tranche of the bank bailout money by the U.S. Senate.  A Gallup poll conducted January 13 noted, “A majority of Americans (62%) say Congress should block President-elect Obama's request to release the remaining $350 billion in Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) funds until more details are provided about how the funds will be spent.”

Lawrence Summers, the director-designate of the National Economic Council, sent a three-page letter to the House and Senate leadership regarding the use of the second $350 billion tranche.  The letter was long on weighty words but short on metrics.  For anyone who has filled out the dozens of pages needed to qualify for a conventional 30-year mortgage, the idea that a few pages of concept could adequately describe how $350 billion is to be spent defies logic.

According to Jon Hilsenrath at the Wall Street Journal, the track record for reporting and transparency about TARP is dismal.  Just last week, the Treasury Department agreed to provide $20 billion to Bank of America, and pledged as much as another $10 billion to limit the bank’s future losses.  This combined $30 billion was funded as part of the first $350 billion installment of TARP.  Except that the first $350 billion had already been committed, but just not used.  Many of us might view this as double counting.  Luckily for the Treasury before the funds were required where they were originally committed, the second tranche was approved.  So the Treasury had already promised $30 billion of the second $350 billion before Congress gave its approval. 

Hilsenrath noted, “The bottom line is that the Treasury is running,” as in sprinting.  Not a good thing to do in a crisis.

To make things more confusing, a portion of President-elect Obama’s $825 billion economic stimulus plan targeting families earning less than $200,000, does not make sense.  According to a New York Times article, “…individuals would receive up to $500 and families up to $1,000. The money would be delivered through paychecks as a reduction in Social Security withholdings, and is intended to bolster consumer spending by giving a small lift to household pocketbooks.”

Wow, stimulate the economy by reducing payments to an underfunded “trust fund!”  That doesn’t seem to pass the rationality test.

For change that we can live with, rather than “believe in,” we need to know how we got here, and where we want to end up, before we can outline the steps to get there.  If our long-term goal is to prop up institutions while helping people stay in houses they can’t afford, and ensuring that the Social Security trust fund goes broke quicker than now projected, then we’re already well on our way.

How did we get here?  By ignoring reality, letting altruism drive financial markets (no credit check, no down payment, no interest for three years), receiving returns that defined logic (and really were not logical but fraudulent), and by believing in complex financial investments and tools that we couldn’t even understand.  Often if it looks to good to be true – it really is.

A better goal might be to create economic opportunity for all who work hard and apply themselves.  The American Dream is the opportunity to pursue happiness.  This requires faith that hard work today creates value over time – just not always today.  This means creating the right environment --through less regulation, less taxation, less litigation and more incentives for working hard and creating real value, as well as promoting a culture of hard work and long-term returns.

If what our government is doing today does not reflect this long-term view, then we need to slow down and reevaluate. 

Right now, our government is running, not walking, through the financial crisis – there is no telling how many citizens will be left behind.

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Jackie Cushman is a freelance writer who lives in Atlanta, Georgia. Her column also runs later in the week in the Northside Neighbor.
 
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What a colossol
ripoff. Every miscreant in DC who voted for this record piece of pork should be impeached, from Bush to Reid/Pelosi. Giving money away to "the poor" will do exactly nothing to stimulate the economy. Only confidence, investment, and a profitable business climate can do that. Our debt will balloon, the dollar will sag, the poor will pee away the dough and we will be one month down the road in the same fix only worse. And millions are celebrating Obama's inauguration. Understandable no doubt, but a lot of good but foolish people are in for a rude awakening.

Oy
The government isn't just running, they're running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

Support the Fair Tax (HR 25)

BUSH, 9/11 AND THE HUDSON RIVER MIRACLE
"I find it significant that President Bush's splendid and moving Farewell Address summing up his eight eventful years in office, with its focus on the war against terror and national security, was delivered just hours after the miraculous crash of Flight 1549-when an heroic commercial pilot who served in the military safely landed his damaged plane in the frigid cold of the Hudson River saving himself, his crew and a 155 passengers. I find it significant and relevant to the President and his stewardship of our country for two good reasons: one of the passengers John S. Howell of Charlotte, North Carolina was brother to a firefighter who died on 9/11. And the plane once evacuated drifted down river from Midtown Manhattan and came to rest by the USS Intrepid before it recommenced its journey south to Battery Park where amazingly it stopped by Ground Zero as if moved to that spot by God."

Click ApolloSpeaks and read the rest of the piece


Bow to the Magic Negro
and everything will be A-OK.

Back in the summer I was unlucky enough to be at a downtown waterpark to see the fireworks, when next door there was an outdoor Jonas Brothers *concert*. We were treated to not the derivative twangling of said Jonas Brothers, but to the relentless shrieking of about 6,000 teenaged girls.

This Tuesday my CANADIAN office will gather in two of the largest conference rooms to provide the same response as the Magic Negro takes the Oath of Office.

By this time next month I trust they will be ashamed of themselves.

Personally I have already begun to imitate *Sully* and so have my sane colleagues. Many of us will spend the 20th in prayer.

Not Bad, Gingrich
Is this the first article put upon us via TH by you that was not "all about me" --- or did someone else write it? You should come clean about this or it will warp your ideals and practices. One of your new year's resolutions? If so, I'm guessing it will disappear by March and it will be back to "me" again. But for the future, this one will not satisfy: "How did we get here? By ignoring reality, letting altruism drive financial markets (no credit check, no down payment, no interest for three years), receiving returns that defined logic....." This is not a "we" thing. "We" were not a believer.

This Is The Plan
The plan is not to fix the mess we have ourselves in but to expand the mess and utilize the misery created to put government in charge of every aspect of our lives. From that point of view what the politicians have done so far is a success.

The vast amounts of money being created out of thin air may buy us a couple of years respite from the ecomonic correction that has to happen. The correction will happen though and current government action will guarantee the pain we endure then will be worse. Most likely they will use the misery they have created as an excuse to increase their hold on power. At some point the truth will be revealed to the people and we will again rise up to destroy the tyranny that has made slaves of us all.

TruLib
"Date: Jan 18, 2009 - 8:31 AM EST
This Is The Plan
The plan is not to fix the mess we have ourselves in but to expand the mess and utilize the misery created to put government in charge of every aspect of our lives. From that point of view what the politicians have done so far is a success. .."

THAT was the Bush Regime's plan that plan ends in two days. It may take some time but the Obama Administration and the American people will slowly and surely reverse the damage and return to the real capitalism that made the country great

"... . Most likely they will use the misery they have created as an excuse to increase their hold on power. At some point the truth will be revealed to the people and we will again rise up to destroy the tyranny that has made slaves of us all."

We just did that on 4 November on this Tuesday we strip off the chains forced upon a free society by the Bush Regime and from those chains we will forge the tools to restore the nation.

No Rush To Judgement
The author of this essay commits the common error of all jingoist reactionary imperialists: the worship of Euro-centric logic and masculine primacy, two misguided doctrines that will finally be rendered obsolete by the New Order ushered in by the peoples last November.

It is also incorrect to express knee jerk praise of any individual not yet properly vetted. We know little of this pilot other than his prior service in America’s imperialist military.

Did his pilot indiscriminately bomb and strafe innocent women and children during his career as a fighter pilot? We are all now fully aware of the war crimes typically committed by American gangster aviators. We have seen how all of them have been killing freedom fighters and unarmed civilians in the Middle East under the guise of targeting legitimate military targets.

Was this pilot a participant in the transporting of innocent people to Guantanimo?

What other crimes did this pilot possibly commit at the behest of criminals Bush and Cheney?

Bold, decisive action typifies men who are aggressive, chauvinistic, insensitive and intolerant toward women’s issues. Since such traits go hand in hand with racism, it is likely his views on diversity are also incorrect and outmoded.

In short, there is much to know about this pilot before we decide to honor him or punish him.

Just before a bubble bursts
There is a very rapid movement in the measuring metrics. So also are we seeing rapid movements by the Fed and Treasury. Won't be long. Maybe two years and the payback will come due.

Oh, And JD'sHandsomeSon?? Once in awhile you write something stimulating and provacitive and even right. This time though I wouldn't even use your post to wipe my hiney. Do you need to take something before posting?

Handsome
Holey cow man that was priceless! I have been waiting for the press the start vilifying the guy for being in the military. Hope it doesn't happen but I expect it will. Let the vetting begin....

Hal Donahue
To reverse the damage would require less government involvement in our lives. Less government isn't promised by any Democrats and damned few Republicans. More government and more spending is what we will get. Less freedom will come with that.

Has Obama called for the government to get out of the way and allow the free market to work? He hasn't and he won't. He has the religion of government and doesn't trust the people to run their own lives.

I am bullish

on illegal drug trafficking. Much of this money will wind up on the street and create no jobs or tax revenue. And, we are borrowing this money from unborn generations. The federal government has reached the heights of stupidity. After Tuesday, Pelosi and Reid will have total control and the ultimate responsibility, along with Obombo, for the consequences.

infowars.com
Check it out..

Bailout
All the money in the world isn't going to fix this problem. If you have noticed lately that the standard action for crisis in this country now is to throw money at it. If you look at what we have accomplished with Katrina, we spent billions within a short period of time and any rational person can see that for what we spent and allowed people to misuse or outright steal it is a dismal failure. You name any crisis in the recent past whether natural or man made and you see the pattern of the federal government. Its not about doing the right thing for people its about paying off the ones who are whining about not getting help immediately. Its all knee jerk reaction. The only way the economy will recover is when the average person quit listening to the politicians who are big on promises but little on action and begin to fend for themselves and help eachother on a local basis. Throwing money up in the air only works when the wind is blowing. If not it just settles right back where its thrown which is whats happening right now.

Our Congress's reactionary panic
and resultant mass government spending has the entire US population worried and therefore reluctant to spend unnecessarily. People holding onto their money for a prolonged period of time is enough to cause a downturn in the market by itself.

Add to it a Congess and PEBO whose proposed spending plans are even further evidence that our Government is operating in full blown panic mode and you have a population believing that if gov't. doesn't spend, spend, spend, The Next Great Depression is just around the corner.

Spending our way into economic salvation didn't work for FDR and it's not going to work for Obama. This grandiose plan to spend on infrastructure projects is a smokescreen for porkbarrel spending that will enrich friends of Congress, friends of state and local politicians, and benefit very few rank and file employees. The jobs will be temporary. As projects complete, what permanent jobs will have been created.

Government cannot create jobs anywhere except within government. Gov't should keep it's hands off of the economic engine of the country and let the marketplace correct itself. The pain will be intense but of much shorter duration and less costly overall than under government funding and direction, otherwise known as gov't interference.


TARP Gross Mismanagement
Full speed ahead, direction will be decided later.

INCREDIBLE incompetence by government! This is YOUR future money (not even earned yet) being squandered by blowhard politicians who don't have a clue what they are doing. To bolster their dumb as dirt schemes they consult so called “experts” that will validate their totally wrongheaded thinking. The “experts” are at least as dumb or delusional. All one has to do is look at the long history of economic failures to see that government intervention at this juncture will only make things worse. Common sense tells you likewise.

There are other options: 1) Tax holiday for 6 months combined with serious government belt-tightening starting with a 20% reduction in the politicos' salaries and perks and further reductions for poor performance.
2) Let the private sector self-correct without bailout or stimulus. Reform the financial industry in the right way (minimum government intervention and maximum private sector accountability).
3) There are others but less do-able.


TruLib
"Date: Jan 18, 2009 - 11:19 AM EST
Hal Donahue
To reverse the damage would require less government involvement in our lives. Less government isn't promised by any Democrats and damned few Republicans. More government and more spending is what we will get. Less freedom will come with that. "

Oh stop it. At the end of the day we will most likely get less government but the issue never was the size of government. The real issue is the competence of government that needs to be restored. And less freedom is what you have been doing with "your papers please" programs and the destruction of habeas corpus (the bedrock of a free society). So please relax and let the adults work

"... Has Obama called for the government to get out of the way and allow the free market to work? He hasn't and he won't. He has the religion of government and doesn't trust the people to run their own lives."

Look you conservative "let government get out of the way" failed and crashed the whole economy. Now we have trillions in debt, massive illegal immigration, tainted foods and toys, on and on. Your brand of conservatism is done, toe tagged and being flushed out with the trash. If you cannot realize this perhaps you should wonder why only a tiny minority feels like you do?

This is not an accident
This is by design. The Federal Reserve is asking for congress to speed up the devaluation process of the dollar.

The next step is set up a new world monetary system (Chancellor Merckel and Sarkosy) to peg debt based dollars into a global digital currency. The plan is to use global cap and trade, global carbon taxes, global credits to fund a world monetary fractional banking system.

The Democrats and Republicans are bankrupting the country by design.

http://www.infowars.com

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Ernest
"Date: Jan 18, 2009 - 11:40 AM EST
... Spending our way into economic salvation didn't work for FDR and it's not going to work for Obama. ..."

Ahh but it did where FDR went wrong is he tried to cut back government spending too soon in 1937

"... Government cannot create jobs anywhere except within government..."

This is a lie what do you think the Bush regime has been doing with no bid contracts and privatizing government jobs?

"... Gov't should keep it's hands off of the economic engine of the country and let the marketplace correct itself..."

Really and why should it do this? Since the beginning of the nation government has not kept its hands off the economic engine.

".... The pain will be intense but of much shorter duration and less costly overall than under government funding and direction, otherwise known as gov't interference..."

Hmmm about the intense part, do you really believe that folks will quietly sit back and starve to death saying well this is best for the economy? Homeless, hungry, angry and guilty of no sin, I can tell you exactly what they would do. They did it last depression. They form armies and come after you

COLLAPSE OF US DOLLAR
All orchestrated by the central bank who uses congressional puppets and the president to do their dirty work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MMLozhEYPA&feature=related

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Hal #17
Hal, Surely you can't make the case that what's been done amounted to getting gov't out of the way while at the same time complaining about the debt? You are spot on that what's been done has been a miserable failure- but bloating the size of government spending was far from the conservative recipe.

Hal
What does a no bid contract have to do with creating a job?

FDR's infusion of government money into make work projects like the WPA denied it's availability to the private sector and slowed the recovery of private business. What did save US businesses was the onset of WWII and the shift to wartime manufacturing in support of our allies and then ourselves. Because my view of the events of that time differs from yours does not make me a liar.

Gee, Hal, do you know of people in the US that are starving to death? How many? Where? I didn't say abondon the needy. I said let the market correct itself. You have a way of inserting your thoughts into other peooples statemenst that is disingenuous at best and somewhere between intellectual bullying and lying at worst.

Privatizing of government jobs is not creating new jobs but shifting them to the private sector where they can be done more efficiently for less money. I would think you would be for that.

Lastly, just because the government has never resisted the temptation to tinker with the marketplace doesn't mean that it should keep doing it.

WORLD GOVERNMENT IS APPROACHING
The banker bailout bill is to let the central banks blow out banks by selectively chosing which ones will fail. Then after Bank Of America goes all that is left is JP Morgan (the right hand man of the US Federal Reserve).

It is all about shredding the constitution to set up a facist global government.

http://www.infowars.com

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kgregt
"Date: Jan 18, 2009 - 12:23 PM EST
Hal #17
Hal, Surely you can't make the case that what's been done amounted to getting gov't out of the way while at the same time complaining about the debt? ..."

No the case is that with modern conservatism and the current every man for themselves philosophy you can never get government out of the way because it becomes your personal reward system i.e. hiring all the Liberty Graduates. Democrats want government to be invisible and competent and out of their personal lives. Contrary to conservative comments, liberals and moderates want no part of government in their faces. Remember it it conservatives who want national IDs of some form, it is conservatives that want in our bedrooms and bodies and on and on

"... You are spot on that what's been done has been a miserable failure- but bloating the size of government spending was far from the conservative recipe."

but it is what you get when you use that receipe

Ernest
"Date: Jan 18, 2009 - 12:28 PM EST
Hal
What does a no bid contract have to do with creating a job?'

eliminates "wasteful" government jobs for private sector jobs. A classic example is when 300+ maintenance guys at Walter Reed were let go and a friendly firm given the contract with 80 folks. Not only a lot less folks but at a lot lower salary. Result was the WR scandal plus more but hey it was cheaper lol

"... FDR's infusion of government money into make work projects like the WPA denied it's availability to the private sector and slowed the recovery of private business..."

They would not have done the work for the price BUT the key reason was to not have work capable folks sitting at home.

"... What did save US businesses was the onset of WWII and the shift to wartime manufacturing in support of our allies and then ourselves..."

The wartime economy was government controlled spending exactly like what it seems Obama has planned. That actually was our secret weapon we militarized the economy FAR faster and better than Germany.

"... Because my view of the events of that time differs from yours does not make me a liar..."

Did I call you a liar? Facts are facts the impact of the facts can be discussed.

"

E2
... Gee, Hal, do you know of people in the US that are starving to death? How many? Where? I didn't say abondon the needy. I said let the market correct itself. You have a way of inserting your thoughts into other peooples statemenst that is disingenuous at best and somewhere between intellectual bullying and lying at worst..."

You said as hard as that may get. Empty food kitchen, people on the streets , displaced homes that IS as bad as it can get and I saw it get that way a few years ago in Argentina and it happened quickly. I am telling you that you have no idea how bad it CAN get. Even you could then know people starving to death.

"... Privatizing of government jobs is not creating new jobs but shifting them to the private sector where they can be done more efficiently for less money. I would think you would be for that..."

If true I could be but it seldom is true more often it is used to reward political allies. Some things the government does far better than the private sector and I have worked in both

"... Lastly, just because the government has never resisted the temptation to tinker with the marketplace doesn't mean that it should keep doing it."

There are those of us that say they are forever linked

Hal Donahue

Hal, I realize that you're a fanatic liberal who believes that it's the good intentions that count and not the results, but even you have to see that there's no difference between Obama's "plan" and Bush's, except of course the scope.

There is no "good" or "bad" in government. The government is what it is: a bloated, redundant, inefficient, self-serving abomination bent on nothing more than incementally acquiring more and more power and control over the mindless masses. It is idiots such as yourself, who delude themselves into thinking that one side or the other is working for their benefit. Sorry, my obtuse friend. But the sole purpose of government is to confiscate as much wealth as possible and to take as much freedom as possible. A free, open and INFORMED society will not long put up with the likes of Bush, Pilosi, Reid, Obama and all the rest of the utterly clueless bunch of clowns now acting as if they knew what they were doing. A stupid, easily deceived, hero-worshing, malleable citizenry is their goal and the government is well on its way to accomplishing just that.

The truly astonishing thing to me is that there are still huge numbers of drooling, hero-worshiping morons (such as you) who are living in some sort of fantasy world and ignore the fact that nothing has changed except the players.

Bob_C
"Date: Jan 18, 2009 - 2:11 PM EST
Hal Donahue

Hal, I realize that you're a fanatic ... Obama's "plan" and Bush's, except of course the scope..."

LMAO oh no that was Bush the torturers idea of doing what he "felt" was right. No being a moderate I do care about competence and restoring it to our government. NOTE I did not say perfection I said competence

"... There is no "good" or "bad" in government...mindless masses..."

That may be what it aspired to become under the Bush Regime but it does not have to be that way. We would be a much smaller or nonexistent nation without our federal government

"... It is idiots such as yourself, ... freedom as possible..."

Having been part of government I know for a fact you are seriously wrong.

"... A free, open and INFORMED society will not long put up with the likes ..... A stupid, easily deceived, hero-worshing, malleable citizenry is their goal and the government is well on its way to accomplishing just that..."

LMAO and an ignorant, bitter person like you claims to be above all that LMAO, LOL

"... The truly astonishing thing to me is that there are still huge numbers of drooling, hero-worshiping morons (such as you) who are living in some sort of fantasy world and ignore the fact that nothing has changed except the players..."

Watch what happens LOL. Oh you have three options: change it (with your social skills unlikely), put up with it (with your misplaced sense of superiority likely) or simply get out

Hal Donahue

Hal claims: "Having been part of government I know for a fact you are seriously wrong."

Hal, being a grunt or a squid is not being part of the government. You are living in a pathetic little dream world.

Bob_C
"Date: Jan 18, 2009 - 3:12 PM EST
Hal Donahue

Hal claims: "Having been part of government I know for a fact you are seriously wrong."

Hal, being a grunt or a squid is not being part of the government. You are living in a pathetic little dream world."

Ahhh my poor deluded little guy. I served and still occasionally serve as an advisor or consultant to several congressmen and a senator, I served on the staff of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and yes those are both being part of government.

Eve of Destruction
We have given the politicians the keys to the national piggy bank. First they bankrupted Social Security and now they will bankrupt the whole nation. When it comes to crooks, no one can beat the people the welfare state elects.

Hal Donahue
Hal claims: "Ahhh my poor deluded little guy. I served and still occasionally serve as an advisor or consultant to several congressmen and a senator, I served on the staff of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and yes those are both being part of government."

Hal, save your little delusional fantasies for the yokels. We both know that's a pantload. Name the congressmen and senator so I can check your story.

As we enter another Great Depression

As we enter another Great Depression, economist will be able to back track and walk through what let up to the event.

Liberal Democrats pressured banks to make bad loans.

Liberals Democrats created Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac to hide the bad loans.

Republicans and Democrats viewed home ownership at any cost to be a good thing.

Conservative Republicans opened up finacial institutions to provide banks, investment and insurance services under one roof.

"Merger Mania" that allowed companies to become so big that government did not want to allow failure.

Liberals in Congress attack regulators for warning against bad loans.

Government attempts to stop business failures by printing money, spending money, driving up inflation, raising taxes, and shutting down the economy.

Government of the people, by the people, for the people.

It's Over
Barney Frank's TARP Reform act does nothing more than complete the transfer of all of the wealth in this country to the banks. 80% of the donations for Obama's inauguration are coming from the banks. He is sure to sign it into law.


http://ewebsmith.com/gov/inauguration.html
http://ewebsmith.com/gov/tarpreform.html

Hal
No Hal, you didn't call me a liar, you just said that I lied.

I really hate it when I'm wrong. All this time, I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt by not believing the posters on this sight who keep saying that you continually lie, exagerrate your experiences, and are unbelievabley dumb.

I was wrong.

Bob_C
"Date: Jan 18, 2009 - 4:19 PM EST
Hal Donahue
Hal claims: "Ahhh my poor deluded little guy. I served and still occasionally serve as an advisor or consultant to several congressmen and a senator, I served on the staff of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and yes those are both being part of government."

Hal, save your little delusional fantasies for the yokels. We both know that's a pantload. Name the congressmen and senator so I can check your story."

Sure just two names for you today Congressman Chris Carney D PA 10th and Senator Robert Casey D PA . Look Why the personal attacks? Do you really think this is all about me? It isn't it is all about the direction of the country nothing less

Ernest
"Date: Jan 18, 2009 - 5:00 PM EST
Hal
No Hal, you didn't call me a liar, you just said that I lied..."

"... Government cannot create jobs anywhere except within government..."

This is a lie what do you think the Bush regime has been doing with no bid contracts and privatizing government jobs?"

Hmmm that was wrong of me I should have said wrong instead of lie. I do offer my apologies. The government decides to land on the moon for example that "creates" numerous private and public jobs. A new prison in a town not only creates government jobs it creates private jobs supporting the prisoners, guards and families. A sorry excuse for a life but heck you conservatives love prisons

"... I really hate it when I'm wrong. All this time, I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt by not believing the posters on this sight who keep saying that you continually lie, exagerrate your experiences, and are unbelievabley dumb..."

I am exactly who I say I am. A normal guy with a lot of experiences


Gallup Poll
"Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,011 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted Jan. 13, 2009. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points."

"Polls conducted entirely in one day, such as this one, are subject to additional error or bias not found in polls conducted over several days."

A "Majority" of Americans, huh??


Hal Donahue
Hal asks: "Look Why the personal attacks? Do you really think this is all about me? It isn't it is all about the direction of the country nothing less."

The personal attacks are preciselybecause of the direction the country is going - toward statism - and the support you're giving to those who're working very hard to make this country into a socialist hellhole.

If either of these congressman write back and back up your story that you're one of their advisors, I'll be only too happy to apologize. If They don't it'll prove you're the phoney I know you are.

Bob_C
Date: Jan 18, 2009 - 7:44 PM EST
Hal Donahue
Hal asks: "Look Why the personal attacks? Do you really think this is all about me? It isn't it is all about the direction of the country nothing less."

The personal attacks are preciselybecause of the direction the country is going - toward statism - and the support you're giving to those who're working very hard to make this country into a socialist hellhole..."

If you consider investing in the nation, its people and its infrastructure to be socialism then I am very glad to stand with our founding fathers on this issue.

"If either of these congressman write back and back up your story that you're one of their advisors, I'll be only too happy to apologize. If They don't it'll prove you're the phoney I know you are."

As much as you hate it I am what I say I am. Oh, one question. Why ever would any congress critter want to answer an inquiry from you a non constituent? What you see is what you get here baby.

Hal
I have been lurking here for a while now and did actually look up your claims. What I want to know is why all the condescension toward people in general. I was in the AF also, enlisted though, and was treated the same way you treat others because of my education and my gender.

It didn't become the men I worked with nor does it become you. If you have facts just present them with out the name calling (i.e. Bush the torturer). They are far more compelling when you present them in a logical argument.

You may even convert me towards your leanings.

It's a long shot though.

ItsaCyn
"Date: Jan 18, 2009 - 8:01 PM EST
Hal
I have been lurking here for a while now and did actually look up your claims. What I want to know is why all the condescension toward people in general. I was in the AF also, enlisted though, and was treated the same way you treat others because of my education and my gender."

Well I was enlisted also and I was treated well. Education can well be upgraded and gender is no longer relevant. I treat others? I am the one being called names and being attacked. What is wrong with the issues?

"...It didn't become the men I worked with nor does it become you. If you have facts just present them with out the name calling (i.e. Bush the torturer). They are far more compelling when you present them in a logical argument. "

Bush is a torturer plain and simple and he actually admitted it. this is description not name calling. How about an an example of my condescension?


Mr. Donahue
You sir were also a man in the military, of course you were treated well. I, on the other hand, am a woman and I got the full force of your "gender is no longer relevant" 2 months after I got to my permanent duty station in the form of my rater and NCIOC telling me on 2 separate occasions that "women don't belong in the military". And yes I tried all the usual routes to deal with the situation. Need less to say I got fed up with "this man's military" and did not reenlist like I was planning. Granted this occurred in the 90's but it still goes on. I talk to my friends who are still in and they tell me nothing has changed.
As far as the condescension, how about "Oh you have three options: change it (with your social skills unlikely), put up with it (with your misplaced sense of superiority likely) or simply get out." in post #28. Yes they maybe facts but you were condescending. Then again that is just my opinion and everyone has'em.

Happy Hal the Liberals' Pal
Hal says: "If you consider investing in the nation, its people and its infrastructure to be socialism then I am very glad to stand with our founding fathers on this issue."

Since when is trillions of dollars in deficit spending, pork, bailouts and unbelievable waste "investing in anything?" The government is responsible for this economic crisis, whether or not you want to admit it. And you're under the laughable delusion that the government can get us out of it. You're a funny little man, Hal.

Hal slithers away: "As much as you hate it I am what I say I am. Oh, one question. Why ever would any congress critter want to answer an inquiry from you a non constituent? What you see is what you get here baby."

That's what I thought. What I see is a phoney, lying fool.

Happy Hal
Hal whines "Bush is a torturer plain and simple and he actually admitted it. this is description not name calling. How about an an example of my condescension?"

Were FDR, Truman, Eisenhauer, JFK, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton torturers, Hal? The same (or worse) kind of interrogation went on in all of their administrations as well. Funny that you never noticed before. Maybe it has to do with your acute, terminal BDS.

Reply to para_dimz & JD's Handsome Son
To Para_dimz.............(about JD's Post)....powerful SARCASM.....lol....

"Bold, decisive action typifies men who are aggressive, chauvinistic, insensitive and intolerant toward women’s issues. Since such traits go hand in hand with racism, it is likely his views on diversity are also incorrect and outmoded."

JD:

lol....you crack me up....lol....lmao....whew!

Bob
In defense of Mr. Hal, I did look somethings up that weren't HuffPost related and he does seem to be the real deal. I was just wishing that points could be made with out the names and attitude.

I suppose I can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one gets filled first.

Then again things would be boring with JUST logic... It would be a lot less aggravating though.

Common sense in solving problems
Well: Common sense always proves correct. The Congress is bereft of this preccious commodity. Everyone with the God given senses knows that you cannot spend yourself out of debt no more than you can drink yourself sober. We need some sober thought in an oversight of the problems; not a tinkering with the ice berg so it will get out of the way of the Titanic. Private capital is the investof or the economic machine and always will be. The government is not a solution, it is the problem when it interferes with free enterprise
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