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Friday, August 08, 2008
Jack Kemp :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama Versus McCain on the Economy
by Jack Kemp
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"It's a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low, and the soundest way to raise revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now." Those are the words of President John F. Kennedy in 1962. He went on to say, "The purpose of cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."

What's more, in Kennedy's annual message to Congress, circa 1963, he said: "In today's economy, fiscal prudence and responsibility call for tax reduction, even if it temporarily enlarges the federal deficit. ... Why reducing taxes is the best way open to us to increase revenues."

Today, in this presidential debate over a 21st century economic growth agenda, it is ironic that John McCain is far closer to JFK policies than the presumptive Democratic candidate, Barack Obama. Obama has proposed raising tax rates, raising tariffs and expanding government regulations, all of which, in the words of Nobel Prize winning economist Robert Mundell, would plunge the United States into a big recession and further weaken the dollar.

McCain and Obama have now each proposed detailed economic policies, and the contrast between the two could not be more dramatic. We believe the overriding and dominant political question in this election is whose economic policies would be best for the future of our wobbly economy and our weak currency.

Unlike John Kennedy, Barack Obama has proposed not to cut tax rates, but to increase every single major federal tax, except for his "George McGovern-like" tax rebate of $1,000. Barack has proposed to increase individual income tax rates to 39.6 percent. He has proposed to increase capital gains taxes, from 15 percent to somewhere between 20 percent and 28 percent. Incredibly, he has proposed to more than double the tax rate on dividends, from 15 percent to 39.6 percent. He has proposed to increase payroll taxes on workers earning over $250,000 a year to 12.4 percent on income above that threshold and to restore the estate tax to the confiscatory rate of 55 percent. Ugh!

Amity Shlaes, author of "The Forgotten Man," a new history of the Great Depression, has argued that along with his protectionist policies on trade, Obama has proposed the exact same policy mix that led to the Depression of the 1930s. During the primaries, Obama railed against free trade, proposing even to renegotiate our free trade agreement with our two largest trading partners, Canada and Mexico. Inexplicably, he opposes the Colombian Free Trade Agreement, even though it primarily removes tariffs on U.S. exports into that country.

In sharp contrast to "Obamanomics," John McCain has pledged tax rate cuts to promote economic growth and strengthen the U.S. dollar.

As president, McCain has would reduce the corporate income tax rate from 35 percent to 25 percent, which is absolutely essential to making U.S. manufacturing more competitive in the global economy.

McCain has proposed immediate expensing for capital investment, which means that investment capital can be deducted in the year it is incurred, like all other business expenses, rather than spread over many years under arbitrary depreciation schedules. Making the Bush tax cuts permanent would leave the top individual income tax rate at 35 percent, and the capital gains and dividends tax rates at 15 percent, with a 15 percent rate on estates. John would also double the personal exemption for children and other dependents from $3,500 to $7,000 and eliminate the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT).

John McCain understands that you cannot create more employees without creating more entrepreneurs and that the Obama war on capital formation poses a direct threat to our beleaguered financial institutions that now have to raise capital from sovereign wealth funds from Asia to the Middle East. Schemes to redistribute wealth don't hurt the rich, they only hurt the poor and the middle class who hope to get rich. You cannot get rich on wages alone -- you have to be able to earn, save, invest and reinvest.

On federal spending, the two could not be further apart, either.

Again in sharp contrast, McCain proposes to strictly limit overall spending, pledging to balance the budget by the end of his first term. He proposes a one-year freeze on all federal discretionary spending outside of defense and veterans benefits, and to limit overall federal spending growth to 2.4 percent, about one-third the annual increases since 2000.

On energy, their policies are also dramatically divergent. John McCain would expand domestic oil and natural gas exploration and production, both domestically and on the outer-continental shelf, which would unambiguously reduce the price of oil and natural gas. Obama, however, makes no pledge or promise to drill anywhere in order to reduce gas or oil prices.

McCain has also pledged a revival of nuclear power, which would also sharply increase energy supply. He would seek 45 new nuclear plants by 2030 and 100 new plants over the long run. Obama says, "There is no future for expanded nuclear power without first addressing four key issues: public right to know, security of nuclear fuel and waste, waste storage, and proliferation."

Except for the badly confused carbon cap and trade plan, which McCain unfortunately shares with Obama, his economic program of cutting taxes, sharply restraining spending, balancing the budget, free trade and increased energy production are exactly what our economy needs right now. We believe John McCain's policies give us the best chance for a new economic boom in the 21st century, such as that we had in the 1960s under President Kennedy, and in the 1980s and 1990s under Presidents Reagan and Clinton.

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Right on, Jack!
Too bad those who say McCain has no economic plan don't sit down with you for five minutes! Better yet, perhaps Sen. McCain can take this time before the convention to talk exclusively about his economic plan. This truly sounds like hope to me...Obama's plan sounds oppressive. Under Obama's plan, where is the incentive to work harder, save more, invest in our country, etc.? There is nothing to look forward to as a middle class American except more taxes as one climbs the success ladder. I am reminded of the faces of the Chinese people I encountered on a mission trip to mainland China. They looked devoid of hope, neither unhappy or happy, just putting one foot in front of the other, day by day. In my humble opinion, that's what happens in a Godless society where one is not encouraged to improve one's position, diversity is not allowed and there is no faith in a power higher than the government. I pray that is not the fate of the USA.

Absolutely
Republicans should be hammering this home more often. Maybe they will in October. Pointing out what our politician did to create the Great Depression and then seeing similar answers in Obama should be a frequent talking point.

politicsforthepoor.com

lies, spin, propaganda
now, if you'd like to have a look at a non-partisan study...
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/08/1255817.a spx
or you can live in your fantasy world. up to you.

Jeff...
I am laughing so hard my sides hurt...First Read (MSNBC) is non-partisan???? Return to your fantasy world and drink your kool-aid...and look up the meaning of non-partisan while you're at it.

Jeff
I think your kool-aid has been spiked by MSNBC. Sleep it off and call me in the morning...On second thought don't call.

from the real world
look folks, msnbc is reporting on a NON-PARTISAN report by the tax policy center. if you'd rather read the report itself, here you go:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411693_Candidate TaxPlans.pdf

but i suppose you're not interested in those pesky things called "facts" that get in the way of your small-minded, head-in-the-sand mccain cheerleading.

anybody care to challenge the FACTS rather than titter and act like they don't exist? i doubt it.

Comparison
If we were to examine the ideology of those in politics today and compare them to the ideology of 1960’s, I believe we’d find something like this.

Today’s Republicans would be 1960’s Democrats.
Today’s Democrats would be 1960’s Socialists or Marxists.
Today’s true conservatives don’t presently have a leader or a political party. They are “in the wilderness”.

Jack Kennedy (if his ideology were still intact and unchanged after 45 years) would be a Republican.

Hey Jeff -
Just started to look at the document you linked to and something on the cover page caught my eye, it states:

"Views expressed are those of the authors and should not be attributed to the Tax Policy Center, the Urban Institute, its trustees, or its funders."

So perhaps the Tax Policy Center, Urban Institute are NON-PARTISAN as you state, . . . but can you say the same for the authors which the Tax Policy Center has distanced themselves from?

Looks Like
The kool-aid is still spiked!

Perhaps this will help
Bar Stool Economics


Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers, he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers?How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.!

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
-continued-

Perhaps this will help - cont-
'I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'

'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'

'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'

'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and the y just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

Jeff again
Went to the link to MSNBC you provided. (Don't know why I bother!)


Hmmmm - It seems a REAL HONEST DEBATE is going on over there.

If you deleted all of the lie, liar, lying, and any other references or variations of the word lie, that are applied to Sen McCain in that blog, there would probably be a whole hundred words in 40 or 50 posts.

Yep, real "Hope" happening over there.

Obama supporters? Time to assume
the position!

On your knees Obamies of all races and religions.

It is time for your daily call to worhsip your lord and master - SWAMIE-OBAMIE!

So get the H*** off TH, bow before your autographed photo of Obamie, and recite your sacred incantations:

Yes we can!(stolen from Hugo Chavez)
Yes we can!(stolen from Hugo Chavez)
Yes we can!(stolen from Hugo Chavez)

Now click your heels three times and say:

Obamie's the ONE (because OPRAH said so)
Obamie's the ONE (because OPRAH said so)
Obamie's the ONE (because OPRAH said so)

and then your favorite mantra of all:

Anyone against Obama is a racist...
Anyone against Obama is a racist...
Anyone against Obama is a racist...

There! Feel better?

Your Swamie-Obamie hears you because he is all hearing .... I mean have you seen the ears on this guy?

Geez! Is that a racist comment?

It probably is to the ZOMBIE-OBAMIES!

To Summarize
I've asked this question before on some financial web sites and never got an answer that didn't decend into name calling or changing the subject. I've heard a lot of Obama supporters say that the markets and economy will soar if he is elected. I hear claims like how the dow will jump to 14000+ in a few short months if Obama is elected and how our economy will be strong than ever. Why do you think that?

Now, from where I sit, this is what I hear from Obama:
* Do not tap our demostic oil reserves.
* Windfall taxes for oil companies.
* Socialize medicine.
* Increase capital gains tax.
* Increase taxes on the "wealthy" demographic.

I'm not an economist, but I do follow the stock market as a hobby. It seems to me that these ideas will be neutral on the markets at best and devestating at worst. I could go point by point on how I think each of these ideas will wreck our economy, but I don't want to steer anyone's responses.

I understand that Mccain's plans is not without its faults, but criticizing Mccain's economic plan is not an answer to my question. So, without name calling, changing the subject, or using the word "hope", can one of the Obama supporters please enlighten us all on how Obama's plan will strengthen our economy? Sound, factual data is appreciated.

It's actually simple
Ask yourself two questions in conjunction with Osamabamma. 1) without tax increases where are the monies for all the new social programs comming from? 2) Have you ever been hired and paid for long by a poor man?

You see, he can't pay for the programs without a tax increase.(or a GOOD cooking of the books)
You won't be hired for long by a poor man cause he hasn't any money and no head for business. Increasing the taxes on the rich stifles economic growth by penalizing the very people that make the jobs possible.

Re:Jeff & distribution of the tax breaks
I would have to vigorously disagree with Jeff. First, the Urban Institute is hardly non-partisan, ditto for the Brookings Institute. Second, given the amount of taxes the people in those "middle income" brackets pay, they shouldn't get huge amounts back. The folks that pay the most should get the most. Also, few people in those income ranges create jobs like the higher income brackets.

No insults but I think your perspective on what's fair is off base. The vast majority of income tax monies come from roughly 5% or fewer people. How's that fair (except in socialist nations)?

Obamas Marxist Plan

Create 20 Promise Neighborhoods in high-poverty cities

Establish 20 Promise Neighborhoods: Obama will create 20 Promise Neighborhoods in cities across the nation that have high levels of poverty and crime and low levels of student academic achievement.

The Promise Neighborhoods will be modeled after the Harlem Children's Zone, which provides a full network of services, including early childhood education, youth violence prevention efforts and after-school activities, to an entire neighborhood from birth to college.

Ensure Community-Based Investment Resources in Every Urban Community: Obama will work with community and business leaders to identify and address the unique economic development barriers of every major metropolitan area.

Obama will provide additional resources to the federal Community Development Financial Institution Fund, the Small Business Administration and other federal agencies, especially to their local branch offices, to address community needs.
Source: Campaign booklet, "Blueprint for Change", p. 43 Feb 2, 2008

good column. 2 problems.
1. McCain is awfully late on the tax cut bandwagon. Why did he think retaining high tax rates during a slow recovery from a recession would reduce the deficit? Like the JFK quotes in this column say - decreasing excessive rates can increase revenue. Increased revenue did follow the 2001/3 tax cuts.

2. McCain will most likely be working with a tax-hiking democrat congress. What he says he wants to cut is irrelevant unless he can get congress to pass it - and Bush's cuts are set to expire in 2010, so taxes go up with no legislative action at all. There's no tax hike to veto - it's already the law unless he can get it changed.

jeff
Location: CA

Reply # 3
Date: Aug 8, 2008 - 2:52 PM EST Subject: lies, spin, propaganda
now, if you'd like to have a look at a non-partisan study...
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/08/1255817.a spx
or you can live in your fantasy world. up to you.

I went to the site and whether or not it's a non partisan study is up in the air. Just because MSNBC states that they are non partisan makes me lean the other way.
That being said, I'm going to assume that you are correct as to thier non partisanship. They were only looking at the DIRECT effects of their stated platforms. When you increase the taxes on corporations (a HUGE increase by the way), who foots the bill? The corporations? I don't think so. The increased taxes that they pay will passed on to the consumers of their products. So, ultimately, the company's profits remain the same and the lower and middleclass citizens spend more of their income on products that they need or want. This, in effect, removes the tax break that they were given AND more. Or possibly, the company will just give up and move offshore or just close up. Then the workers will have NO income. I'll bet they will thank Obama for the tax cut then.
Then what about the Social Security taxes that will need to increase. I'm sure he'll raise those as well as the Medicare taxes. But those won't be included as taxes on the lower and middle classes even though it removes my disposable income.
Now who is really living in a fantasy world?

Obama knows nothing about
econonmics, zero, it is apparent when he speaks. He will therefore follow the advice of whoever advises him or is pulling his strings and you can be very sure they will be big gov't liberals with more lofty socialistic goals for us to pay for.

This guy is way to the left of clinton and she stated we couldn't afford all of HER whacky ideas.

The markets will tank if this clown gets in, personally I took all of my money out last month till I get a handle on this election.

McCain's plan will provide many good jobs here at home, obama will chase the remainder of the good ones overseas.

This guy is a marxist and cannot be trusted, no-one can be THAT naive.

Jeff, The Tax policy Intitue
is run by the Urban center and the Brookings Institute.

The Brookings Institute is a left leaning think tank.

The study you pointed out is about as nonpartisan as one done by the Heritage Foundation (one of my personal favoorites).


seawolf..wanna bet...?!
Naive,ignorance,stupidity seems to be the trend of the voters !
John talks the talk..but remember he almost became a democrat.....and smoozed w/donkeys
for many years as a senator! Just thought I would cheer ya up! smile.
Economically --Romney is very conservative
he is not afraid to cut,cut,cut,etc. He took his
own popcorn to the movies(when he was younger)
and that is not conservative!!!??
And MAC doesn't know who to choose..duh!
elvis

Maybe his advisers…
… think that is the only way he can get elected. If he tells the people something that already worked, it will also work for him. You know something like a sequel to a movie! Only problem with that is almost always the sequel never lives up to the original!

“GO BILLS!”

Obama the envoker.......................
During the past two weeks, BO has evoked the words of FDR, JFK, MLK and J.McCain. He is trying to disstract from his past with "I have a Vission, than by the end of 10 years, we shall over come the insideous costs of Oil and oil futures, by building better cars and new technology to run on fuels other than Oil. We shall ease the burden by releaseing oil from Our SRP.
While at the same time taxing us to death and letting more jobs go overseas. Can we stand another 4 years of do nothing Pol;icies from the Dems.

I Love McCain
McCain would make a great president. This article shows why.

I voted for him in the primaries both in 2000 and 2008. He has good ideas. His proposed policies are good. What I like most about him is that he has the ability to think for himself and doesn't just follow what so-called conservatives say he should believe.

The only problem is that, in order to get their votes, he has been bowing at the altar of the artificial Rush/Hannity conservatives that have done so much damage to the country these past 8 years.

John: you were doing so well.

Kennedy's time and now
When Kennedy was railing about taxes he had a budget that was in relatively good shape compared to now. Do you honestly think it is wise to cut taxes with a budget deficit that is 9.5 trillion and growing daily. Our dollar buying power is shrinking rapidly and we are tottering on another depression as the housing industry is still collapsing and taking the financial institutions with it. We had our stimulus checks, did anyone notice an economic surge from our stimulus checks. No it was sucked up in the gas price increase. Cut taxes and the next economic critical issue will develop. There are so many waiting in the wings. We are so shaky now who knows what is ahead. Wiser would be to raise taxes, cut spending and start getting a budget that can weather disasters.

But don't despair, manipulation of the election process will ensure a conservatives win just like it did during the Gore election. The Federal Election Commission -- the body that supposedly enforces campaign-finance laws in this country -- has been out of business for more than six months. Apart from the obvious absurdity of not having a functioning election-policing mechanism in an election year in the world's richest democracy, the late start by the FEC makes it almost impossible for the agency to do its job.

So Relax. Our democracy is no longer functional. The guy who wins the election will never see the oval office.

Elvis...You're Right On!
The sooner MAC chooses Romney to be his VP, the better off we'll be. I, like you, cannot figure out what the hold-up is? Romney has the brains to help McCain get this country's economy out of the crapper which is obviously what the country needs right now.
We DON'T need an inexperienced novice like Barry Obama to throw us into another great depression, which is exactly what he would do given the opportunity.

Dave, this country has NOT been
doing the things Rush & company have been calling for, so don't blame them for the problems we're having.

That's like blaming Bush for high oil prices when congress has not done the things (like domestic drilling) that Bush has called for all these years.

Bush and McCain are the artificial conservatives.

Rush has called for limited government spending, permanent low taxes, privitized social security, reduced dependence on government, increased personal responsibility, etc...

Also, I gotta ask - in what way has McCain "bowed at the altar of Rush / Hannity"?

Kemp is just as confused as ever
McCain may have pledged to cut taxes but he has also pledged to "keep all options on the table" so which is it? McCain is also committed to imposing a new Cap and Trade bureaucracy on us, the biggest and most opaque bureaucracy EVER.

Why can't losers like Kemp disappear after they have been discredited. I listen to those who have the most at stake economically being interviewed everyday and they all say both candidates are essentially the same, that neither has a good plan but Obama has a better economic team.

Face it folks, we are heading for bigger government and less individual freedom no matter which of these two liberals wins in November. So do you want the white liberal or the black liberal?

If both candidates are "THE SAME"
...as "P Phil" writes, I think he needs to learn a little more about the SOCIALIST POLICIES of OBAMA.

Comparing most current Republican candidates to Reagan is guaranteed to bring a "negative" determination, but this is STRAWMAN argumentation...and a favorite of O'trons (perhaps like "Phil"?) trying to persuade independent voters.

Hi Retired Geek.
I am also retired, more of a nerd. You usually seem to have your facts straight. I have never heard of the Harlem Children's Zone. The Promise Neighborhoods sound like more Marxist Claptrap to me, doomed like all the rest to be a miserable failure. But this time we apparently have a laboratory experiment to tell us whether this is a good investment. So tell me, how did the Harlem Children's Zone turn out?

Ed Wallis, calling conservatives unhappy
with McCain Obama supporters (I'm assuming by "O'trons" you mean Obamatrons) is a losing strategy.

McCain is still unapologetic about his campaign finance. He's authoritarian on the environment - for cap&trade, flex-fuel mandates, and government subsidies for alternative fuel research. He demogogs capitolism and profits.

He's been right on opposing much of the GOP's big spending of late, but that's not enough to make up for the preceeding problems.

McCain not only looks lousy compared to Reagan, he also looks lousy compared to ALL of the other pseudo-conservatives running for the GOP nomination this year. Romney was nothing to cheer about, but I could have held my nose for him against any democrat - especially Obama.

Please remember we are voting for a President who must work with congress to get anything done - not a dictator. Also remember that the GOP did pretty well fighting Bill Clinton's socialist agenda from 1995-2000, but gave in to Bush-43 on every leftward push.

Our best bet is to get as many GOP senators as possible - enough non-RINOs to mount a filibuster against Obama's socialist agenda (gov't health care, global tax etc).

With McCain as POTUS, the GOP will roll over, and we'll get a bunch of socialist policies anyway. Remember how much McCain loves to reach across the isle...

It's Baldwin or Barr for me this time.

Sharing The Wealth
We should all be very wary of the Marxist/socialist robbing from the rich and giving to the poor.

If you are not rich,no matter,you still will be expected to give more to the poor. Not just in this country,but worldwide. We are already sharing too much of our hard earned money with deadbeats.

The forced sharing of wealth is reason enough to vote against Obama. There are many more. He is the last person we need to lead us in these perilous times.

KENT...UTAH
Well, one of the hang ups about MAC choosing
Mitt...shucks you live in utah, guess what it is
uhhhhh huuuuhh/Mormon! Many voters are smart enough not to let that bother them...but there is always the others...duh!
And now the media is trying to tear his image down because of his success at Bain.I have read all the bain BS...so what! His job was to take weak co. and bring them around..and sometimes there is a little pain in doing that!
mass. was a mess-he improved it! olympics was a mess-he improved it!The democrats get "the runs"
when they think of him in the white house or next in line!As for religion ..obama makes a moon worshipper look good!
elvis

Progresssive proletariat poverty?

Michael Guy
and for my blue collar union brothers:
The Better Sort: The Liberal Democrat Elite

Today's liberal, "better sort" also exhibit a contempt for the common citizen in their irrational environmental and energy policies.
For example, we have wealthy labor leaders who endorse Barack Obama, Robert Kennedy, Al Gore and Senator Harry Reid's policy of refusing to allow extraction of oil on American soil or off coast waters. Further drilling for oil or mining for coal would lower energy cost and provide numerous, lucrative jobs for union members. However, labor leaders like Jimmy Hoffa, Richard Trumka and AFL-CIO president, John Sweeney support those who would curtail or reduce the growth of American industry and manufacturing. Could it be that those with a guaranteed source of wealth have the audacity to demand that those of us who are not of the progressive aristocracy must reduce our lifestyle and expectations? Are only our liberal lords allowed live in spacious houses, drive limousines and fly in private planes? Have labor leaders now assumed the style and status of Hollywood's elite ? Why are Americans refused to ability to drill, mine, utilize, manufacture or transport coal and oil products while the rest of the world can do so? Why do the liberals refuse to allow the building of refineries, factories, steel mills and nuclear or coal-fired power plants? Why do we need licenses, charters, restrictions and rationing mandated by elite bureaucrats, while other third world countries, like Communist controlled China, can consume and expand? And why are American workers denied prospects of employment because of the environmental restrictions and carbon credit allocations to be imposed by the wealthy liberal elite throughout the world? Are we turning to an age of Marxist Mercantilism, where only the elite, through their government-chartered monopolies, are allowed to control businesses?
Michael J. Guy

I guess McCain canot even meet JFK
I find it rather amuzing that Jack Kemp a staunch conservative now is satisfied with a candidate who does not even meet the ecomomic standard of JFK, a Democrat!

McCain only comes closer to JFK as compared to Obama, right? If I read Mr. Kemp correctly! However, as a wholehearted Ronald Reagan fan, evidently he cannot say that McCain is no Ronald Reagan and finds it satisfying to down Obama, in as much as McCain has been chosen by his Republican party.

In my book, this is ever more typical of the Republican party, as it is struggling for survival. Yes, as a staunch supporter myself of Ron Paul, he most certainly was the only one who would truly have picked up where Ronald Reagan left off. Yes, if Ronald Reagan had been immortal and President for life, Russia and the USA would for sure be close allies, and not again enemies, under George W.

In closing it is more and more evident that Americans in general are more and more satisfied with being an Empire than to remain true to the principles America was allowed by Almighty God to be born.

Speaking of George W., he goes lecturing Communist China on human right, while America is the mass grave of over 52 million of unborn babies and thousands more go to that horrendous mass grave on a daily basis; the completely innocent ones. Yes, by the Nation under God and claims to trust God!

McCain is Right On
We have seen that as the cost of gasoline has risen, people have bought less gasoline. Does it not follow then that as the cost of earning rises in the form of higher taxes, those able to do so will earn less taxable income.

High earners take their incomes in the form of stock options, depreciable, rentable real estate, and via self-directed Roth IRAs. Because of this flexibility, Americans for the last 60 years or so have paid about 19.6% of GDP in taxes, regardless of the tax rates.

Tax revenues are increased only by those policies that increase GDP.

Therefore, McCain's policy of reducing corporate tax rates by 29%, from 35% to 25%, and of the death tax by 73%, from 55% to 15%, will permanently and exponentially raise the rate of increase of GDP.

Every old wealth producer will be greatly encouraged to continue making millions. His children will inherit his wealth, reduced only by a reasonable capital gains rate of 15%, while his favorite church, university, or foundation will continue to receive his wealth undiminished. Charitable giving permanently removes the wealth given from the tax rolls, whereas inherited wealth permanently increases and grows the wealth subject to taxes. Foundations are private, untaxed governments allowing the dead may rule from the grave. Charities, churches and endowments are at least subject to some public review.

When government takes 55% of a man's wealth, it takes 55% of the ability of that wealth to generate taxes and jobs. At 19.6%, it would take less than three years to equal what government confiscates with its 55% rate.

And, of course, nothing on inflation
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All of Mr. Kemp's noise about proposed (remember: *PROPOSED*) tax policies on either side of the usual christless Hobson's Choice we're yet again being offered in this year's "auction-in-advance of stolen goods" yields up precisely nothing about the one most invidious and pervasive form of taxation inflicted on every American, constantly and surreptitiously thieving away the value of our wages, our savings, our investments, and our lives.


What d'you think "inflation" means, children?


To foreclose on the butt-wipe who sniggers about how it means blowing up a kid's plastic pool float, let's use the more explicit expression:

"Currency inflation."

What is it?

Acknowledging the fact that it's a purposeful human activity (not a natural phenomenon), who causes it, and how?

*WHY* is it done?

What are its effects, especially (in the context of this thread and Mr. Kemp's column) on tax policies and their impact on the U.S. economy at large and *YOUR* own insignificant little life?

Are any of you starting to think a bit right now?


Take this as a bucket of chum scattered upon the waters.

Let's see if any of you flash a dorsal fin and show some teeth.

I doubt you will.

Republicans (as opposed to conservatives) are all bottom-feeders.





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"Money, first and foremost, is a medium of communication, conveying the information we call 'price'. Government control of the money supply is censorship, a violation of the First Amendment. Inflation is a lie."

-- L. Neil Smith

Cassandra - Look to ''bipartisanship''
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Asks Conservative Cassandra:

"Why are Americans refused to ability to drill, mine, utilize, manufacture or transport coal and oil products while the rest of the world can do so? ... Why do we need licenses, charters, restrictions and rationing mandated by elite bureaucrats...? And why are American workers denied prospects of employment because of the environmental restrictions and carbon credit allocations to be imposed by the wealthy liberal elite throughout the world?"


Much as I loathe and detest "Liberals" (also known as progressives, populists, National Socialists, and - among us Sicilians - *fascisti*), a truly overwhelming amount of the responsibility for the ills of which you speak falls directly upon the shoulders of the Grand Old Republican Party.

It always has. Don't you know *ANYTHING* about the history of the GOP?


Look, the regulatory restriction of trade - of competition in the marketplace - has always been *THE* red-hot priority for Republican politicians.

Ever since they used to call themselves "Whigs," Republicans have been the bought dogs of established actors in the industrial, transportation, and financial sectors of the economy.

The big guys. The country club types. The Ivy League "legacies" (like Dubbya, his polished "aw-shucks" Texas clod-kicker image to the contrary) and the co-opted tokens (like Barack the Magic Negro, who could've been a Republican if only he'd applied to Yale instead of Patrice Lumumba University's campus in Cambridge).




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"Apparently millions continue to harbor the strange delusion that the Republican party is the party of free enterprise, and, at least since the New Deal, the party of conservatism. In fact, the party is and always has been the party of state capitalism. That, along with the powers and perks it provides its leaders, is the whole reason for its creation and continued existence."

-- Clyde Wilson

H.D.---BUSH ! HAS NO CONTROL;
OVER THE ABORTED INNOCENTS !
YOU KNOW THAT. HE HAS PLAYED A ROLE IN 2 SC justices that are more conservative than most the other idiots up there in the supreme-less court!
Your comments are appreciated..just thought I would add a little truth to your thoughts!
Iam not a bush fan but give credit where credit
is due.
elvis

elvis - Dubbya? Abortion? You're kidding
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Avers elvis in words to the effect that because the Shrub had nominated two candidates to the SCOTUS who are:

"...more conservative than most [of] the other idiots up there"


...that he somehow supports the re-criminalization of voluntary abortion-on-demand.

Nonsense.

First, the core Republican constituencies are all superbly well-served by the status quo in this regard.

As many "social" pseudoconservatives have observed, the population groups most heavily impacted by abortion are "Liberals" (who, let's face it, are not exactly the kind of people who really ought to be entrusted with small children) and the various *Untermenschen* ethnic groups who can be counted upon to vote the straight National Socialist ticket in every election.

Better that these do not breed, nicht wahr?

Second, as long as abortion is *NOT* criminalized, the "Rockefeller Republicans" have an automatic choke-chain upon the collective throat of all you religious whackjobs (who the phuck else are you idiots going to vote for, campaign for, and contribute to?).

Nothing in your central nervous systems works above the reflex level, right?

So the Republicans can knee-jerk you friggin' fools anywhere and everywhere they please, delivering *NOTHING* - barely even lip service - at no political cost to them whatsoever.





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"Republicans are against abortion until their daughters need one, Democrats are for abortion until their daughter wants one."

-- Grace McGarvie

SJ Doc
I get the feeling you are letting your emotions take you where they may. This is not always a good practice. Please don't tell me that as a doc you learn to shut off your emotions as that is, as we know, BS. There are quite a lot of docs seeing shrinks.

CONSERVATIVES ARE RETARDS!!!
glen6431 is a typical propagandist...

This is about tax rates as a percentage of income, not comparing what a poor man receives vs. a rich man in actual dollars. The only people who ever create that scenerio are the nuts on the right as if the left can't do simple 5th grade math. So you make up your own fantasy concern that a leftist might have & respond. Sounds like masterbation.

Hedge fung managers using tax loopholes to pay 15% on income of hundreds of millions while we have record deficits?

It's insane to read conservatives write as if their policies have balanced the budget and created real jobs. Supply side creates deficits, has no effect on job growth but makes the rich richer. And yet many rich are liberals because unlike you dumb conservatives, they know the truth & want to be responsible citizens.

You guys are articulate retards who rationalize greed into an economic theory!!!!

OH PLEASE!!!
OK you want to talk about Taxes and conservatives. I lived in NY all my life, which is soo far to the left that you can keep it and Obama. NY has soo much spending that it had to hike taxes up which in turn drove businesses out of NY State by the dozens. So much in fact that they had to promise a HUGE tax break just to keep Cummins plant headquarters(just to name one) from moving to Ohio and costing thousands of jobs in Chautauqua County alone. So to make up for the tax breaks given to keep businesses in NY state you have to raise it on the people. That's why a $20,000 house has almost 4 times the property tax as a $250,000 house in NC. NY is BROKE which is one of the many reasons I moved out. Take a good look at NY if you want the country to look like that then vote Obama and higher taxes. Businesses will be doing more than just moving out of a state. They will be moving out of the country (like Anheuser-Busch's headquarters did)
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