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Friday, October 17, 2008
Hugh Hewitt :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama's Plan to Spread Your Wealth Around
by Hugh Hewitt
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Thanks to the now famous Joe the Plumber, all of America has been served notice of Barack Obama's plans for the American economy.

Obama intends to spread the wealth around: From your accounts to those of his friends and supporters.

Rarely have we had candor from Obama in this long campaign, and even rarer have been the efforts of the Manhattan-Beltway media elites to tease the details out from the Chicago machine's favorite pol.

But in a matter of two minutes, Joe's objections to Obama's soak-the-small-businesses-of-America's tax plan evoked from Obama not just a rebuke about the need to take care of "the people behind Joe," but Obama's own pithy summary of his objective: To spread the wealth around.

John McCain could not have hoped for such a bit of clarity, and now that it has been delivered from The One, McCain ought to make it the one theme of the last three weeks of the campaign.

Not only does Obama intend for the Death Tax to return in time for the passing of the Greatest Generation --spreading their wealth from their grandchildren to the tax coffers of the state-- Obama also intends to spread the fruits of long labors far and wide.

The ants have been told that the grasshoppers need a break. The grasshoppers have been behind the ants for a long time, after all, and the winter is upon us all.

Clarity, as my friend Dennis Prager likes to say, is much to be preferred over agreement and Obama has provided clarity. Not about Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko and Jeremiah Wright, but very much about his plans for your (much reduced these past few weeks) savings.

From each according to their productivity, to each according to their wants.

The polls inched closer in the days before and following the debate, and as word of Obama's rebuke of Joe the Plumber travels, they should draw closer still. Our enemies are not much discussed these days as Iraq has stabilized and the jihadists have gone to ground for the duration of the election, and Obama's platitudes went unchallenged by Lehrer, Brokaw and Schieffer.

But Joe did the MSM's trio's work for them, and we do indeed have a focus for the last few days of the very long campaign.

John Murtha offered even more focus, branding half of Pennsylvania as "racist," and reminding us all of Obama's slam of rural and small town America as clinging to God and guns in their bitterness.

Is the sudden infusion of Obamian candor enough to bring the battleground states back to red, and the race back to the dead-heat it was in early September?

There's no way to know yet, but if America dodges European style statism, it will be because of a plumber from Ohio.

The Framers would be pleased.

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For liberals
If there is a socialist country out there that has managed to tax itelf into prosperity, show us.

We'll not only help you pack, we'll help you move, and take up a collection to pay for your ticket.

You see, we don't believe you have the moral right to reach into *our* pockets in order to assuage *your* pangs over the plight of what you see as the "less fortunate". We figure we can do a far better job of determining who deserves help and who doesn't than some desk jockey. We do it anyway, and in far larger numbers than you "compassionate" types. And we get it that some really would rather be poor than work.

Don't let the screen door hitcha.

Couldn't have said it better, Alive
I hope Mr. Hewitt will take to the conservative radio bully pulpit and take some districts from Pelosi and some senators from Reid. We have to suppress whatever these commies cheat their way into. Otherwise there will be 20 million new Mexican voters for 2010, gas at $5 and a welfare state that would even make Jimma Carter pale and malaised.

It's not just Obama
As Liberal as Obama is, he isn't alone. A super-majority of Democrats will let them give us all the "change" we can handle. Want the USA to look like France? See the scary article in the WSJ today:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122420205889842989.html?mod =rss_opinion_main

Sorry
I'm sorry that McCain is not as conservative as many of us would like. I'm sorry that he shares, by party association with Bush, the blame for a terrorist attack encouraged by Clinton's inaction on an attack with exactly the same intention; the blame for a war that Bush undertook to fullfill his main obligation to protect our lives; the blame for hurricane damage sustained because people thought it was OK to live below sea level; and the blame for a financial disaster caused by liberal social engineering.

Much more than for those reasons, though, I'm sorry that the American people are so unwitting as to think about voting for a candidate who will take this country on it's final step toward socialism.

Obama, Pelosi, and Reed will have bought so many votes, with the money from productive people, in another four years, that the kind of recovery from socialism that we had with Reagan won't be possible.

You would rather bail out the rich
instead of helping the working-class and poor.

Talk about being in touch with one's dark side, the conservative embrace of greed is quite disheartening; mouthing lines from Scripture, but living not a word of it . . .

Peace

Nice to see the
polls tightening up. Keep hitting on the Socialism theme and we won't have to drag Yosemite Sam across that finish line! :)

As it is, I understand Obama today is in a key state that he supposedly already has in his back pocket. Wonder why, heh?

Mrs Palin is coming to our town Monday. Alas, I'll be working the early voting. Boo!

Empyrius
Man you really like that Kool-Aid, don't you?

NOWHERE in Scripture is the government's job defined as being the agent through which [forced] charity flows. Not even those Christians who shared "all things in common" were ever forced to give. To this day we are free to give what we wish, in whatever manner we deem appropriate. Ananaias and Sapphira were killed not for not giving all they had, but for lying about what they gave.

The Good Samaritan used his OWN money to help the assaulted man. He did NOT point to him, then lament how the poor guy needed a "program", then start organizing his community to shake down businesses and taxpayers to achieve that end. He simply helped.

Further, God only asks 10% of our fruits. If that's good enough for Him, why isn't it good enough for government?

You want more? Fine. Get off the computer and go to work. Note well that Obama and his Democrat cronies all got rich during the Bush years (why didn't you?); you could very well do much better under a McCain presidency, but you'll assuredly never get rich under Obama.

Great News!
Both Princeton Election Consortium and electoral-vote.com are forecasting more than 300 electoral votes for Obama!

empyrius
My question is, "Why can't more people take responsibility for their own destiny and not rely on a handout from the government?".

I was dirt poor. Seriously. "Home I rented burned to the ground, lost everything, couldn't afford deposits on another place to live because my car had to be fixed so I could work so I ended up living in my car then with friends" kind of poor. Family members deemed me a lost cause and while they had agreed to care for my son while I got back on my feet, they threatened to have him taken from me permanently.

I pulled myself out of that situation. I did it without any help or entitlements from the government. The money the Red Cross gave me after the fire was returned in the form of a 150% donation within a year.

Today, I have a great job and a wonderful home. I have gone from way below poverty level to possibly being affected by Obama's campaign to spread the wealth.

I did it without government help or intervention.

I did it without whining that others owed me something because I had less than the rich of this country.

I did it because it was MY RESPONSIBILITY to take control of my life.

I did it. So can others.


Moderates need to know the truth NOW
See my post today and please help the cause to spread the TRUTH to moderate voters who think Obama is moderate. I have a plan for real activism that is working to turn votes to McCain just using the facts and truth that moderates can accept. We need to respectfully and honestly edify those who have fiscal values to understand that Obama is NOT moderate! PLEASE be as ACTIVATED as those who support Obama and do something NOW: http://activated.blogtownhall.com

Average, your story is
great. And it begs the question, why are we spending hundreds of billions of dollars to get rid of Saddam Hussein and build a "democracy" in Iraq? Why don't they do it themselves? Seriously, help me understand why we spend that kind of money on foreigners and balk at spending a fraction of that amount to give children in this country health insurance.

obama:spread the wealth
I take it obama never read "the little red hen". You did not plow the field, you did not sow the seeds, youo did not water the fields, you did not harvest the wheat, you did not thrash the wheat,mill the grain, knead the dough, bake the bread, so you shall not eat the bread. the bible reads he who shall not provide for his own family is worse than an infidel...
I've seen lots of people on section 8 wtih better cars and t.v.s' than i have..So the guy who takes a midnight shift jobs,gives up a normal life so he can provide for his family, should also provide for the people who would rather have a bullet in their head than work the midnight shift should get a free ride..
Community service..that's code for work for acorn..I think he (obama) got into harvard with less than acceptable grades..I think he got in on one of those programs because he doesn't look like the other presidents...his wife the same thing...during the bush yrs bho became a millionaire and bought a million dollar home..

Karl and Groucho
Joe Wurzelbacher is not stupid and neither are McCain voters.

The point is not Joe.

The point is Socialism. "Spreading the wealth around" sounds a lot like "from each according to his ability to each according to his need".Karl Marx (as Hugh referenced)

How is it the media know so much about Joe but have never done investigative reporting on the Marxism of Ayers, Wright, Frank Marshall Davis and Obama?

The Ayers association is not about terrorism, it's about Marxism. Joe Wurzelbacher smoked it out.

If the American people want to embrace Marxism, fine, but the media and Obama should not continue to disguise it as "tax cuts" or "fairness".

Salt’s dictum: “When Liberals are confronted with the truth they call names or change the subject”.

Love to all.

Sorry, but the definition is socialism
First, Joe, sue the stupid media for slander! They had no right to check the tax roles on you! This just shows how "in deep" the media is with Obama. Scary, isn't it? And, the American public! How naive and stupid to think that raising taxes on businesses and people making over $250,000 will not trickle down to them in higher prices. And, they'll receive a double whammy because higher prices means higher sales tax. Plus, less money means less jobs! Stupidity, thy name is us!!!

Barack investing Joe the plumbers money

Barack Obama's clarion call is to "Sacrifice for the Common Good" - to redistribute wealth, as Obama said to 'Joe the Plumber', "letting those behind catch up".

Who are these citizens that Obama will invest Joe's money in?

Hard working people that need 'Just a Helping Hand' to catch up?

Hard working students that need help to finish or continue their brilliant educations?

NO, Barack Obama wants to invest Joe's money in criminals, those chronically unemployed and those students that have low levels of student academic achievement.

That is like picking the poorest performing stocks one can find and investing their retirement and 401K money in failure - hoping to help those companies that are on a course of bankruptcy, complete their goals.

Joe gets to help criminals pursue their careers, those that won't work, continue not working (with some walking around money) and enable drug users, alcoholics and other addicts to continue their lifestyles.

"Establish 20 Promise Neighborhoods: Obama will create 20 Promise Neighborhoods in cities across the nation that have high levels of poverty and crime and low levels of student academic achievement." Barack Obama, Blueprint for Change

Barack Obama's 'Hope' and 'Change' = 'Investing in Failure' = coming to America with Joe's help.

Average and AlivInHim
I appreciate your story Average, and I commend your fortitude!

Well AliveInHim, we now have a government that has nigh uncountable agencies, everything from park rangers, to mail carriers, and a vast bureaucratic apparatus that is truly staggering in unnecessary scope in between; so that Obama may tax just a little more the top 5% of the American population is really no skin off anybody's nose, in truth not even the top 5%s’ as they will just “write if off” anyway.

As monetarily bankrupt as this government and their FINE buddies are at this moment what does it matter if the democrats may tax the richest a little bit more. A year respite from our war-making ways alone would more than make up for whatever extra we may provide for the least amongst us.

But we know neither Obama nor McCain will cease our war-making ways. Nothing will really change either way, and the best we can hope for is this economic system simply implodes: then we could talk of true change!

One day . . .

Pax vobiscum

What wealth?
Someone has already spread my wealth around
and it wasn't a socialist. It was an
unregulated capitalist.

empyrius
If the tax increase on the top 5% were to be used to bring down the deficit along with matching budget cuts, I wouldn't mind one bit. My problem w/ Barry's plan, as he has stated, is he's just going to give that money back to those who he chooses to help.

I guess you truely do not understand socialism.

Barry reminds me of my exwife, she could always come up with an excuse to spend more and how we could "afford" it.

Jeffrey
If more people do what I did, there would be little need for the government to provide health care to many that it does.

There was a guy who lived in the building I did a while back. He drove a new sports car, wore nice designer label clothing, always had several gold chains around his neck. He really looked out of place for the building. He paid about $100 each to have four gold teeth put in the denture he had made.

He seemed almost proud when telling people that MEDICAID paid for the denture, itself.



You'll understand if I don't believe many of the people Obama wants to spread the wealth around to actually NEED it.





A 3% tax increase is SOCIALISM
It really is though. Many economists have defined the perfect capitalistic economy as one in which the richest 5% of the population pay exactly a 36% tax on incomes over $250,000. Anything more over and above this and our capitalistic utopia reverts seamlessly into socialism. We all know that we lived under socialism until the Great George W. Bush stepped in and said: "That's enough!!! From now on, we are a capitalist society." Look how great society has been since then. There are many more of us (richy 5%ers) than ever before!!! And we're making more than ever before!!! Yippee!!

Now many of us on Townhall can attest to this. Many (if not all) make well over $250,000 and the last thing we want is an ADDITIONAL tax. We pay enough!!! All we ask from our government is one thing--continued, unbridled, and unquestioned war. Ahh...capitalism :)

Steven
So, you are mad the the dems, Barny Frank and Chris Dodd for successfully blocking the regulations proposed on 3 separate occasions by Clinton, Bush and McCain?

Great points, AliveinHim
Unfortunately, Obama isn't viewed as a socialist by the masses. He is viewed as a breath of fresh political air who is going to turn this country around. The liberal media won't print the truth about him and his elitist illuminati views.

Get a grip
In recent months, conservatives have sounded increasingly retro with their attempts to paint Obama as a socialist or communist. In some ways, this accusation is typical far-right boilerplate. Obama certainly isn't the first Democrat running for president to be accused of communist sympathies. And as usual, the accusations are rarely linked to policy specifics. But the difference with Obama is that, in the eyes of the right, it's not just his political affiliation that implicates him as a socialist. It's his ethnic background.

The hysterical accusations of socialism from conservatives echo similar accusations leveled at black leaders in the past, as though the quest for racial parity were simply a left-wing plot. Obama may not actually be a socialist or communist, but his election would strike another powerful blow to the informal racial hierarchy that has existed in America since the 1960s, when it ceased being enforced by law. This hierarchy, which holds that whiteness is synonymous with American-ness, is one conservatives are now instinctively trying to preserve. Like black civil-rights activists of the 1960s, Obama symbolizes the destruction of a social order they see as fundamentally American, which is why terms like "socialism" are used to describe the threat.

The conservative explanation for the mortgage crisis falls neatly into this narrative, too; the country is at risk because Democrats allowed minorities to disrupt the natural social order by becoming homeowners. Never mind that this defies all data & logic..


Conservatives have turned to "socialism" and "communism" as shorthand to criticize any liberal. ~ A. Serwer

Empyrius
We DO have a government that has gone WAAAAY beyond what the Founders intended.

The government's ONE JOB is to protect the security of its citizens from threats within and without. It is not to be about the business of education, mail delivery, banking, park rangering etc. It is not to be in the business of medicine, science, or other beneficent endeavors. It IS to be the sword of which criminals ought be very afraid.

A little more off the top "5%" is a hell of a lot of skin, if you are aware that 40% of the people pay NO federal income tax whatsoever and that top 5% pay most of what *is* paid!. Still not convinced? Then please, cut a check for the Treasury today for whatever amount you feel is "more" than you need.

I see nobody has yet answered my first question of the moral right of do-gooders and ne'er-do-wells to decide that some of us have "more than enough" so vote to TAKE what we earn for themselves and their cronies.

Regarding Joe, by the way
Joe’s question to Obama, for any of you interested eough to actually want facts, misrepresented his situation. He stated that he was thinking of buying the plumbing business where he works, which makes $250,000 to $270,000. But that would be income, and businesses (unlike individuals) only pay taxes on profits, which is income minus expenses (expenses include salaries, rent, equipment, utilities, gas, etc.). So under Obama’s plan, that business would almost certainly be eligible for a tax cut. It is worth noting that, according to the GAO, two-thirds of companies are able to use the tax code to make their expenses larger than their income, and thus pay no taxes at all.

"spread the wealth" to their friends!
Obama says "spread the wealth". Yes, the Democrats want to "spread the wealth" but not to the poor.

Democrats want to "spread the wealth" to their unions, to their buddies who bring "development" to the city, to their organizations who provide "services" to the poor, and to the businesses who hire illegal immigrants.



The earth is flat and Democrats are for poor people.

The "affordable" housing that Democrats pushed onto poor people included interest only and variable rate loans that are easier to default on and wreck your credit; not the stable fixed rate 30 yr and 15 yr mortgages that most middle class borrowers use.

The schools that Democrats push onto poor people graduate only half of the kids in Chicago and in Baltimore only 33% of the kids who want to graduate can pass 9th grade level tests. I've heard that 75% of African American males drop out of school in Baltimore City. They compete with illegal immigrants for jobs in 1 of the 4 states that allow illegal immigrants to obtain drivers licenses.

In Chicago, the first Walmart that finally opened in 2006 after intense union opposition, received 15,850 applications for 450 jobs. http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/73731,CST-NWS-walmart27 .article

No, Democrats don't like poor people. They use poor people like a commodity to enrich their unions, enrich their buddies who bring "development" to the city, enrich their organizations who provide "services" to the poor, and enrich the businesses that save money and get around the Democrat's excessive regulation of the work place by hiring illegal immigrants.

If poor people had any idea how much money is supposedly spent on their behalf and NEVER reaches them, I believe they wouldn't vote for Democrats for a generation.

Wow!
While we are spreading the wealth around, we can all where one-size-fits-all grey working uniforms. Since everyone is the same, no need for any incentive to work hard. Therefore,the country can slow down its GNP. If you don't like it and speak up against it, the KGB can use the anti-freedom press to quickly dig up dirt on you, like they did with Joe the Plumber. Just because you worked hard for your money, you can only have what the Big Brother will allow. Rest assure Big Brother will be watching you. Poor people must remain in their working class. Medical care? We're going to spread that around thin. Since Doctors will be taxed more, they won't have the incentive to do their very best while on their job. Leveling the money field means you get lower quality stuff, and that includes medical care. Just look at what comes out of communist China. Yeah its going to cause a poorer nation, which means a dirtier nation. Noone will have the incentive to pick up the trash. Why should they, its not like they are going to be rewarded for their initiative. Get the picture? Probably not.
The good news is, that Soviet Russia only lasted about 75 years. Their economy fell. Spreading around the wealth is communism...and the former USSR proves that it is short lived.

MSM and DEM Elites don't get it!!
Joe the Plumber is America!!! Slamming him or ridiculing him and destroying him is the best thing they can do to accelerate McPalin team's campaign buggy towards the white house. What a MORON's they are all!! THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSE JOE COULD BE JUST A CARDBOARD CUT OUT. IT DOES NOT MATTER!!! WHAT MATTERS IS THE SPOKEN WORDS COMING OUT OF MESSIAH'S GLORIOUS MOUTH, YOU MORONS!!!Joe the Plumber is "GOD" sent to expose the Evil Scheme of Obanomics to turn this God Blessed country of ours in to ONE LIKE Fallen USSR!!! He was sent by GOD to show the GODLESS left that He or She is still watching over this Greatest Nation of OURS!!!

MAY GOD KEEP BLESSING USA FOR EVER AND FOR EVER!!!

Steven, 3.39pm
The Scandanavian countries are trying to make sure every one has the necessities? Sweden is already approaching the point where (nearly) every one has /only/ the necessities.

Norway is plush with oil wealth, for now, but I'll wager they will end up in the same situation.

The View
The View folks were talking up that Joe's idea for owning his own business was a "fantasy".

Yep, gotta love the liberal elitists.

Steven
So you think it's all right for the government to "manage" your assets so some other schmoe doesn't have to "experience" poverty, therefore learning something about himself and perhaps then being motivated to not continue to experience poverty? Is your generous check to the treasury in the mail today?

Is there really a "right" to not experience the consequences of one's choices or of life's inevitabilities? Where is that written?

Please enlighten us as to which Scripture you think I use to justify keeping "everything" for myself, which personal assertion you have no right to make in the first place. That's OK, though, we understand that ad hominem attacks are the preferred method of argument once liberals know they've been cornered.

Further, Steve, it was those unwilling-to-be-regulated DEMOCRAT crony capitalists Frank, Dodd, Raines, Johnson etc. who have devalued your investments and mine.

AliveInHim
"Is there really a "right" to not experience the consequences of one's choices or of life's inevitabilities?"

Great point. Let's apply the same rules to those teat-sucking farmers!

Republicans did have the 'audacity' to increase farm subsidies from 2001-2007 to the princely sum of $34 billion a year.

We have ethanol mandates, sugar, cotton, soybean, wheat and many more agricultural handouts for the Midwest. These teat-suckers need to get their mouths off the nipples of the government sow. This is a Republican wealth-redistribution program from America's east and west coasts to America's heartland, with America's heartlands values.

Why would one believe that sugar should be subsidized, unless, of course, you are a dentist?

Why should cotton be subsidized, since most of it is exported, the number one importer of cotton is China? Who believes that Chinese manufacturing should be subsidized by the American taxpayer?

It takes a gallon of oil to make a gallon of ethanol. No more mandates! If an American farmer can't compete in the global marketplace, then they can always get a job at Walmart, as a 'greeter.'


Empyrius
If you were in my shoes, it would be a big deal. I don't know who told you that everyone making over 250K a year can simply write off the money they loose with the new tax increase, but they are poorly informed. Not everyone can do that.

Now, if you'll excuse me. I've got a big pile of work to do. Got to make sure I can pay for the college education of a child whose parents I'll never know .

You guys have fun.

Empyrius
Your eagerness to plunder the top wage earners is disturbing. While you seem to feel that being in the top 5% of earners allows the law deny equal protection, I am not as inclined to believe such nonsense. If justice is blind then we are all entitled to our money equally. You advocate a system where the more one earns, the more the government has to right to his money. Where does this end?

If Obama has proposed upwards to 1 trillion in new spending, how can this monetary demand possibly be met by the top 5%? According to
http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
the top 5% already contributes over 60% of the federal income tax, and Obama's new taxes would be $147K per capita for those top 5%.

What happens when the top 5% decides that it is no longer worth it to work so hard? It is very naive to think that you will be shielded from higher taxes. Your desire to plunder the 'wealthy' makes you blind to the masses less fortunate than you who will seek to plunder your wealth.

Obama's Trickle Up Poverty
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” —- Karl Marx

“I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.” —- Barak Obama

The phrase "Trickle Up Poverty" is one of those sound bites that just sticks in your head. McCain needs to use it - on the stump, in commercials, and even his own primetime address. One thing that still bothers me is that Obama will get the last word in 3 days before the election during a primetime address. McCain needs to answer in kind and let us all know he will fight voting fraud whereever he finds it, tie Obama to ACORN, and drive home the "Trickle Up Poverty" narrative of Joe the Plumber.

Jeffery
You are a product of the DNC talking points. Your remarks are a direct reflection of those talking points. Regarding Iraq, how is a country supposed to rebuild itself when it's infrastructure was in such horrible shape and it's military decimated by war with radicals bent on shaping Iraq into another Afghanistan? Do you really believe Al Qaeda isn't in Iraq? If so why does ALL the media and MNF-Iraq keep referring to AQI or Al Qaeda in Iraq? Why not put aside your partisanship and think what's best for the country instead of your party or even yourself? YOU are an example of what's wrong with this country. JFK once said "Ask NOT what your country can do for you but what YOU can do for your country". These days it is you and people like you that think it's a good idea to take from those who work and give to those that don't and if it destroys the country, SO WHAT? When that happens will you still be wondering about children with no health insurance even while those same children have no food or shelter? If government assistance has proven one thing historically it's that it is insufficient. How well did welfare serve the poor? How well does Social Security serve the elderly and disabled? It appears that no matter how many times it fails, and it DOES everytime, the lazy believe they are better off with it. I work 12 hour days, 7 days a week, 8-9 weeks straight. You THINK I owe YOU MY earnings? WTF makes YOU deserving of money I EARNED? I don't demand YOUR PAY do I? Aren't you just a little ashamed that you THINK someone else's hard work should go to YOU? Are you THAT much of a LOSER? That is PATHETIC.

The top 5%
Does anyone here know what the top 5% is?
According to the National Taxpayers Union (www.ntu.org) that gets its figures from the IRS, the threshold to be considered in the top 5% of THOSE WHO ACTUALLY PAY TAXES is $145,283. This is for tax year 2006, the most recent year available. That does not take into account the fact that of the 143 Million returns filed for 2006, 43 MILLION PAID NO TAX AT ALL. When this is considered, the threshold for being in the top 5% falls to roughly $120,000 per year. The 5% of those actually paying converts to 7.5% of those actually paying when those who do not pay are included.Thus if you make more than $$120,000 you will pay more taxes. PERIOD.
The bottom 50% of all of those paying taxes paid only 3.07% of all taxes paid.
So let's recap:

67.42% of filers actually paid taxes.
32.58% of filers paid 3.07% of all taxes,
33.71% of filers paid 96.93% of all taxes.
89,076,138 filers paid 3.07 of all taxes paid
(43,000,000 of these paid ZERO)
45,296,541 filers paid 96.93% of all taxes paid

CONCLUSION: Anyone earning over $120,000 will pay more tax.

So Obama's plan is going to cut taxes for 95% of Americans. Since the 95% pay less than 3.07% of taxes, just what is he going to cut?
Don't believe me? go to http://www.ntu.org and do the math yopurself.
Obama's plan is crap and anyone not stuck on stupid can see it if they open their eyes.

Tom
From your talking points about the War in Iraq, you obviously believe in social-engineering. So long as the entire bill for the War in Iraq is put on the national credit card you are willing to stay there forever. Remember, "when the Iraqis stand up, we can stand down."

Obama: Looting the producers
When Obama speaks of “spreading the wealth”, he means taking wealth by force from those who’ve earned it -- to grant it to people who have NOT earned it.

He means that the virtues required to make large amounts of money -- ability, ambition, creativity and productiveness -- are to be punished, while the vices that generally leave one a low income earner -- incompetence, sloth, stupidity and laziness -- are to be rewarded.

Obama is a socialist looter who simply proposes to buy the votes of the many by promising to steal the wealth created by the few. He counts on those legions of useful idiots who are willing to receive these stolen goods and assume the status of moochers living by leeching off their betters.

A vote for Obama is a vote denying the inalienable right to the pursuit of one’s own happiness, by means of one’s own effort. It is, instead, a vote for the opposite principle -- that no man has the right to happiness as long as there is any beggar anywhere that claims to “need” that man’s property.

News from an Italian reader
Hi guys. I'm Italian, I grew up in Rome, I went to State schools all my life including University (did pay for that, but around 1500 $ a year). I have private medical insurance but for anything really bad I would go to a State hospital: it's free (FREE) and while it's usually very basic comfort-wise, the medical care is usually first rate. Speaking of personal stories: a friend of mine was operated for a brain problem and had a stroke. She's 41, two kids. Her husband has a very good job. She's been four months in the hospital. Four months! We paid for that: all we citizens. But where would her husband's good job go if she had lived elsewhere? Medical insurance only goes this far...
Italy is a rich country, but not like the US. It is certainly not a Socialist country (you know Berlusconi?). Private stories of sorrow and overcoming difficulties deserve all possible respect (and I understand that in the US the philosophy itself of life is different than in Europe). Still, it is just not true that it's enough to work hard to succeed. And I still think every kid deserves a chance: for health and school. I'd like to hear what single mothers with two kids and two jobs have to say about spreading wealth, frankly...

Steven
"If your Christianity doesn't go beyond the
"morality" of keeping everything for yourself,
your Christianity is very shallow indeed.
And while you are busy convincing yourself
that everyone that is without a job, loves
being without a job, has no pride, has no
self-regard, has no morals, I would suggest to
you that you had better hope this economy
doesn't turn around and slap you in the face.

You might just become one of them, AliveInHim."

You listen here you little anti-Christian bigot. First of all, AliveInHim said nothing to deserve that. If you have to personally attack people then your argument is lost. So why are you trolling on this site anyways. Its a Republican News site, can't you read.

If you knew anything about her Christianity, and did research, you would know that Christians are some of the most generous people in society. No I don't expect a pro-communist, anti-American, celeb-worshiping, fluffy headed media will tell you that. But even level headed none Christians that have some logic and knowlege of the real world already acknowlege this fiscal truth about the Christians you hate and want to bash. I have yet to meet these fictional Christians you accuse of keeping all they have to themselves. You accuse and rail against what you do not know and do not understand.
Don't worry there are plenty of Christians that will survive the economy turning around and slapping them in the face. When true Christians are poor they are rich. That is because they have something you don't have.

But, back to the subject. Christians do a better job at spreading out their own wealth. They do it by choice. So my question is do you give to charities? Because even the poor Christians are givers, even if the govenment wouldn't tax them. They don't need the government to tell them how to be generous. Its a part of their Christianity you don't want to acknowledge.

zapododat
Where in my post did I say I favored staying in Iraq forever? Point that out to me. What GOOD would it have done to remove a terrorist harboring dictator then just leave a defenseless country for Al Qaeda to step in and create another Sharia state? I agree with Obama and McCain when they say as SOON as conditions warrant we should pull out. But Obama plans to simply move those troops to Afghanistan. Where is the savings there? Do you THINK Afghanistan is paying for us to be there? You like to pull words from my mouth and criticize ME but you give Obama a free pass, why? And don't give me that Obama opposed the war NONSENSE because he wasn't even in the Senate when the war started. He was busy doing his "community organizing" in Chicago and a Illinois state senator voting "present" MOST of the time.

Zap
I think we're on the same page. Government has NO business funding business of any kind, or making any kind of demands except those necessary to guard against fraud.

Ask my DH (president of a fuels company)about those ethanol mandates. He'll chew your ear off about the Gov't regs he spends half of every month maintaining compliance for. You ain't seen nothin' till you've seen some bedwetting bureaucrat who knows nothing of the realities of business dictating to someone who does.

The Reality Of Wealth Re-Distibution
Whether Democrat or Republican, for Senator Obama, or Senator McCain, one way or the other, we all have to re-distribute wealth. The key is will we do it by force or choice. When someone uninsured goes into the emergency room, or rear ends me, or has a baby and cannot pay for it, my Insurance Premiums go up and my wealth is re-distributed. When the drug addict shoplifts their batteries out of the chain drug store, or when there are definite signs of a corporate executives maleficence, my prices go up to pay for higher security measures and my wealth is re-distributed.

I work hard everyday. I know what an 80 work week feels like. I do not have any desire to give a lazy, non-working, leach anything. However, whether I or you want to or not, we do each and every day.

If given the choice of re-distributing my wealth willingly or forcibly, I'd rather do it under my own terms.

Chuck Johnson

Christian Socialist I Am!
Deepak why not God bless all of humanity and not just Americans.

I hear everybody’s concern, and I think I sufficiently understand the old and new arguments about capitalism versus socialism; nevertheless truly I believe that education, health care, and even dental care could be provided to every American, and we could still have unequal distribution of money, for those who believe the promise or riches promotes ingenuity.

I myself believe we could all literally be the government ourselves, without this broken “representative” government that spends our money as they see fit, the perfect current example being them bailing out their Wall Street buddies purportedly for our benefit: alas though, I believe, one day humanity shall possess a shared spirit of non-competing brotherhood that will usher in a heretofore un-experienced golden age of humankind, and money and “credit” shall be but curious relics of a time when we were hopelessly divided.

Hopelessly idealist maybe, but I believe it is Scripturally guaranteed!

It shall happen!

Pax vobiscum

Don't blame the media for poor debating
"and Obama's platitudes went unchallenged by Lehrer, Brokaw and Schieffer."

It seems to me that much of the anger that is directed at the MSM should be directed at the ineptitude at John McCain (and his VP). It is not the responsibility of the moderators to challenge Obama during a debate. That is up to John McCain. Moderators ask challenging questions and the debaters provide the back-and-forth. As soon as the Republicans nominate candidates who can intelligently articulate an idea, then Americans outside the conservative base will listen again.

Min E: Mea Culpa
Thanks for setting us straight. I was concerned that: having a father who was a communist, a mother who studied Marxist philosophy, at least 3 mentors who were communists, a preacher who espouses black liberation theology, being a member of Students for Economic Democracy, attended socialist conferences, being a member of the socialist New Party, befriending Marxists during his education, resigned campaign workers for their card carrying communist status, having official bloggers who are admitted communists, have CPUSA spread your message, Blueprint for Change protocols for expansive growth and central power of the goverment, and wealth redistribution (not to mention appointing a judiciary who applies emotions instead of the law and sacrificing sovereignty by endorsing the UN Millenial Goals) were sufficient to assess Obama as being a follower of Marx, but thanks to you I see it is all due to my inherent racism from being a typical white person.

I do look forward to treating my condition once we have universal health coverage.

Redistribute the wealth
Somehow the idea of paying fair share has now become redistribute the wealth....

Americans have not been paying their fair share of two wars for 7 years now.

We have not been paying our fair share of the national infrastructure (which by the way allows our employment at something other then subsistence farming)which is allowing it to crumble

We have not been paying our fair share for education which has put college education out of reach for all but elite or saddling our kids with $100K of debt

So don't whine when the discussion turns to people having to pay their fair share. And yes my family earns >$200K a year so we are going to be hammered, but this is making up for the last 10 that have run the country into the ground

US Tax System in easy terms: Beer
Use the link below for an excellent explanation of the US Tax code in terms everyone can understand.

Spreading the Wealth doesn't work when too many are not contributing at all.

http://forlifeandfamily.blogspot.com/2007/06/income-taxes-e xplained.html

Bush and McCain Gave It to Wall Street!
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. What is this $700 billion bail out package for the Fat Cats in Wall Street that got us into this mess? WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION!! So as long as my tax dollars go to the WEALTHY then it's okay? The Republican Party has totally lost it's vision. We deserve this!!

McCain's
plans are to concentrate all the wealth in the hands of a few very rich greedy people. The golden mean is best. How many houses does he own?

Barack Obama...
...should set the example in sharing the wealth by sharing his wealth with the rest of us. However, when lying Liberal Democrats like him say they want to share the wealth, they do not mean their own wealth, just ours.

I, for one, am not wealthy. I will make just under $25,000 gross this year. Barack Obama is a Liberal Democrat and when he says he is going to raise taxes on the wealthy, he means it. Unfortunately, by the Democrats own definition, that includes me. To them anyone who has a job and pays taxes is wealthy. The poor are anyone who either does not have a job or does not pay taxes. That was established during the Clinton years. By there definition, there really is not a middle class.

Obama says that anyone who earns $250,000 a year will get their taxes raised. Well, he is a Liberal Democrat and raising taxes and spending our money is what they do. The will raise EVERYONE'S taxes. It's what they do. It's their religion, their god--not Christianity, Islamism, Hinduism or any other of the world's established religions. Their god and religion is tax and spend!

Negativity
I have voted for my Republican party for 6 elections but not this one.
The negative campaign that has been run against Obama and my President Bush by McCain and Palin has made me decide to vote for Obama We have to end this HATE

A Reminder for James Re The Bailout
James, I just want to take a moment to remind you of the reason why "wall street" needed to be bailed out in the first place. In 1938, FDR(D)set up Fannie Mae as part of his "new deal" to restimulate the economy by helping citizens own their own homes. Then in 1977 President Jimmy Carter (D) passed the Community Reinvestment Act, even though critics could see, even then, that this Act would distort the credit markets and lead to unsound lending. The Act was passed nonetheless because of pressure to do "something" to fix the deteriorating American cities. I guess our leaders thought that if the inner city people "owned" the homes, they would take better care of them. Well, it didn't work and conditions became worse in fact. Fast forward to 1991, and again, under pressure, now from ACORN (represented by none other than Attorney Barack Obama), President Bill Clinton (D) relaxed the mortgage qualifying standards put in place, such as minimum allowable credit scores, debt-to-income ratios, down payment and reserve funds requirements because our leaders in their short sighted brilliance (NOT) thought again that peace would reign if EVERYBODY owned a home except that they didn't consider a couple of very important facts: 1) If a person has no money invested into a home, they could walk away from it without a care, especially if they have a history of neglecting their financial obligations 2)hundreds of thousands of jobs went overseas because business realized that the excessive regulations in the United States made doing business more profitable overseas and 3) when people don't have jobs, they can't buy or keep homes so the housing market glut reduced the value of homes (simply supply and demand). So, the party that really seemed to have lost vision (or correct thinking) was as usual, the Democrat Party.


Chad
Get real. You don't swallow poison because you have a bee sting.

Chad if you don't vote Rep.
you may as well vote for Carter redux: 10% unemployment, 15% mortgages, 18% interest, and getting walked over by Russia into Afghanistan,

Negative ads expose opponents' undesireable characteristics and if you can tolerate O's associations with sorialists, terrorists, and racists, let along his blank resume and non-experience in everything, you were never a Rep. to start.

We are fast becoming a nation
of greedy leaches. Everyone seems to want a government hand-out paid for by their fellow citizens.

Has anyone listened to everything Obama is promising voters. He is buying votes with our tax dollars.

People who earn more tend to work harder and no this is not always the case, but Obama is not talking about taxing the wealthy (they hide their money) he's talking about doctors who spent years in school and training starting much later in life earning actual income. He's also talking about small buisness people who worked insane hours, employ others, and put their own capital at risk.

Pretty much it is a tax on the successful for doing what they were supposed to do.

And if those of you who want to stick it to the "rich" don't realize that eventually you will have to pony up as well you are in serious denial.

Correction to My Post Re Bailout
I mistakenly typed 1991 when I should have typed 1995. It was 1995 when Attorney Barack Obama represented ACORN before the Clinton (D) Administration pressuring them to relax the Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae standards used for years to adequately assess risk when making lending decisions.

Socialism
When the Bolsheviks overthrew the Russian Government, they did exactly thus.
They took everbodies money and nobody wanted to work.
Gulags and firing squads.
The farmers didn't have to grow crops for everyone and the City slickers starved.
So they instituted some Capitalism

ALIVEINHIM
"The government's ONE JOB is to protect the security of its citizens from threats within and without. It is not to be about the business of education, mail delivery, banking, park rangering etc. It is not to be in the business of medicine, science, or other beneficent endeavors. It IS to be the sword of which criminals ought be very afraid."

Every once in awhile you run into someone
who is to the right of an offthewall nutcase.
You are one of them. Brian, whom I haven't
seen for awhile,is another. But I don't
resent him nearly as much as I resent you
because he never pretended to be a Christian.
When someone talks your talk and calls themselves a Christian you leave bad feeling
about Christianity. People who have an ounce of charity and decency don't want to associate with it.

As for the job of the government, it is pretty
much what "we the people" want it to be. If
we want it to be Socialist, if we want it to
be Communist, we can do that as long as we do it democratically. And the fact that you do
not even recognize that keeping poverty at
bay is protecting America and Americans from
an angry underpriviledged socity, sort proves
the lack of depth of your thought processs.


There

I
I'll bet you have fun doing a word search on that
moniker.

"You listen here you little anti-Christian bigot. ...AliveInHim said nothing to deserve that."

I am listening, I am listening I am a Christian. I am not anti-Christian. I resent people who give Christianity a bad name.
AliveinHim absolutely gives Christianity a
bad name. The complete lack of charity if
virtually anything she writes sets my teeth on
edge.

"If you knew anything about her Christianity, and did research, you would know that Christians are some of the most generous people
in our society." I do know this. That is why
I constantly call into question her Christianity or spirituality of any kind.
As far as I can tell, from any post, she does
not have a charitable bone towards those whose opportunities in life have been fortunate.

You might be surprised by how much I know.
I have lived in, I have worked in what you
presume to be socialist countries. You love
to see them as some sort of fascist governments
that are ruining the lives and souls of their
citizens. You couldn't be more wrong.

Kendog
" When the Bolsheviks overthrew the Russian Government, "

What, pray tell, has this go to do with us!

I'll be glad to Steven
I wasn't thinking about single mothers in particular, but I will say that multiple illegitimate children with multiple daddies should not be supported.

I was actually thinking about all those whining college students who think that they should get a free college education.

And the seniors who expect more back from Social Security than they ever paid in even if it is ruining the future of their own grandchildren.

And the people who bought more house than they could afford and want a bail-out, or worse still the people who walk away from a house because they now owe more than it is currently worth.

Or the people who want to raise everyone's property taxes annually just as long as their children are school age then fight tooth and nail not to pay for schools once their kids are grown.

Or government employees that claim to be so underpaid when the reverse is true.

Or the families who hide mom's assets so that they can keep them and medicare will pick up the tab.

And there are the multi-generational welfare recipients.

Or the very wealthy who can live like billionaire's while only paying the income taxes of a millionaire.

Or ethanol subsidies being a bribe for the IA causcus every 4 years.

You see Steven the greed is at all levels and it isn't making us a better society, and it is also bankrupting us.

It's very simple if you want something work for it. Don't drop out of school. Take responsibility for your own family members. Etc.

To: Steven from Obamaland...
Steven from IL asks,
"Actually, how can we take pride in our
system when we can look across the pond and
find any number of countries who have actually
eradicated poverty and still manage to have
a decent life with goodies thrown in, have
better health care, live longer lives, have better educations, far far fewer people sitting in jails."

My answer to Steven from Obamaland is an easy one.

I take pride in our system because if it weren't for OUR SYSTEM, when we looked across the pond all we would see would be "any number of countries" who would be speaking Russian and living under the failed policies of Soviet Communist oppression.

I take pride in our system because our system is the only system on the face of the planet that protects those welfare states on the other side of the pond from not only Soviet aggression, but from the Islamic fanatics who would otherwise have long since taken away what little dignity and will to resist their Sharia law they currently are clinging to by a thread.

I take pride in our system because America is the only country left on earth consisting of men and women who are willing to work for what they have; and to defend the right to ownership of what a man or woman produces from his or her labors.

I take pride in our system because we are the most charitable and giving people on the face of the earth...the one's the people on the other side of the pond depend upon to save them when the chips are down.

I take pride in our system because we are the one's who have the heart to provide aid to victims of tsunamis, earthquake, AIDS, Islamic terrorism, and communist agression, because those "countries on the other side of the pond" have neither the means, the goodness of heart, nor the balls to do for humanity what Americans do...and ALWAYS have...for themselves or others.

Typical conservative nonsense.
Good to see the man I wasted one year of law school "learning" from is still blindly supporting any republican candidate who comes across his desk. You can dislike Obama all you'd like (and then condition it with the obligatory "Don't get me wrong, I like Black people a lot... in fact, my best friend is Black.:), but the mere fact that 1 year ago you claimed John McCain was a joke, and now you are supporting him, simply goes to your credibility as an "intellect." Do Obama's plans have holes? Absolutely. But what about McCain's $5,000 check for health care? How is he going to pay for that? Perhaps out of the government's pocket? The same pocket that he is so concerned about cutting spending from? And what of the fact that NO ONE'S healthcare costs only $5,000? Yeah, those are just details. Thank you to you, and to Chapman, for wasting an entire year of my supposed education with this ridiculous propaganda. Maybe next time you should think about taking a sabbatical to support a candidate who actually has a chance of winning (and then don't just blindly throw your support behind any guy who sees red).

Yes, let's spread the wealth...
Oh, it's SO good to hear other people who GET IT!

I regularly spread the wealth around. No one else has to do it for me.

According to the warnings and mandates of the Bible, I don't do it under compulsion. I do it with a cheerful heart. God continues to spread His wealth around to me, and I give out of the abundance He has given me.

My husband lost his job eight months ago. He has spent the last 235 days building a new small business out of nothing but his God-given physical strength and willingness to work hard for his family. He works and sweats to the point of exhaustion so that we can raise our four children.

And we have never stopped spreading the wealth. Whether it's in freely sharing our talents with people in need or giving cash or material surplus (even when we don't know if we'll have work the next week), we do! I don't need anyone to try to rob me of the joy and blessing of doing that giving myself! We're better together.

Student
I'm black.

Do I have a right to oppose an Obama coronation?

I don't like Obama, either.

If you make over 250.000 ..
duh

Liberal Definition of Racist...

...Voting for John McCain rather than Barack Obama.

"Student" learned that in school.

3 Words Explain Why I Won't Vote Obama

LACK OF CHARACTER.

I'm Sorry...4 Words...

TOTAL LACK OF CHARACTER.

OncealwaysaMarine
Good evening. Haven't seen any posts from you for a while and nice to see you back. You often voice my thinking with more calm eloquence than i can muster.

Re Student
You have confused yourself. The checks will be coming from Obama to the folks who don't pay taxes. McCain's healthcare proposal (one part of three) is a tax credit on health care fees paid of $5000 for a couple, more for a family.

Here's a link to the plan. You should check it out because it'ms much better than Obama proposal to give all control to government and coerce employers to drop current plans so individuals are required to find a plan under governemnt penalty.
http://www.heritage.org/research/healthcare/bg2198.cfm

Spread MY Own Wealth Around
However vast or meager MY wealth is, I want to be the one to spread it around. Period.

Republicans and some Independents love America just the way she is, and see that (with the exception of our fine military and infrastructure) everything the government touches turns to shite. We see that the Democrats tinkering around with the housing market caused this fiasco.

Democrats think that the government should be big and powerful enough to give them all their needs. Their bill of rights is miles and miles long; healthcare, college tuition, homes, food, etc., etc., etc., etc.

I work hard for what I have, and I expect every able-bodied person to work as hard as I do for what they want. ALL of us working hard to achieve our individual American dreams, every one of us as self-sufficient as possible.

In earlier times, if a person didn't work, they didn't eat. Everyone had sweat on their brows, doing their individual labors. The communities looked after the hardships, and people had to be pretty bad off before they'd accept charity. They had pride in being able to provide for themselves.

Greetings, Pistol

I thought I'd better weigh in this weekend...

I've been keeping track of all the debates and other goings on and suffering the same ups & downs as all the other patriots who are still trusting that enough TRUTH will be exposed about the nature of this Marxist Obama "Welfare Santa Claus" candidacy and Socialist agenda that is vying to gain control of our country.

My absence of late, is due to my being thoroughly focused on my studies at Southern Illinois University [where I am 3.5 semesters away from attaining my BSW degree].

Yes, I am entering the field of Social Work. I know the challenges inherent in this field, but I intend to apply my Conservative principles to help counsel youth that I come into contact with in an appreciation of their strengths, rather than to cater to their weaknesses.

This is a field that is crying out for people who can help people to empower themselves to counter the socialist agenda that convinces them that they are victims and cannot succeed.

So, I have been quite busy of late [5 classes]. The hearts and minds of our youth is the next battlefield in the war against traditional values.

I intend to be right in the middle of the enemy's camp; there, I will be in the unique position to counter the destructive force of the liberal propaganda of welfare slavery and the entitlement mentality that has caused so much destruction to the ambition of our youth.

I intend to help people learn one simple fact: God helps those who help themselves, and they don't have to forever grovel for crumbs from someone else's table.

I know in my heart that this is my mission.

I'm still here and will remain, Semper Fidelis.

It's just plain wrong to ....
....force the responsible middle class to subsidize irresponsible people as is the case with Barrack Obama's record. Look at his record. He has accomplshed nothing to improve the standard of living for working middle class famileis.

half-truth=a lie
Sure spreading the wealth around don't sound half bad, but it begs the question If the wealthy and the "semi-wealthy" are being forced to contribute, what are the poor contributing?? Could it be votes??

It's all about Me,Me,me...
I've concluded a large portion of our electorate has a sense of entitlement and the govt OWES them. They have it coming! It's only fair! "Spreading the wealth around" must sound good to them. The have-nots are going to have even less if Obamasan gets his way. What a bunch of selfish and self-centered uninformed cry babies. Makes me sick--. Are they teaching this cr@p in govt schools today? If so, homeschooling is sounding better and better..

Obama is Planning on Depression

It's true. Rep. Jerald Nadler (D-NY) was on Your World with Neal Cavuto Thursday. He said Obama plans on installing government jobs in the FDR mode, like the WPA, the CCC, etc. Nadler said this would create about 2,000,000 jobs. Now you may ask where the paychecks will come from for the 2,000,000 workers. You guessed it........from the raise in capital gains taxes. So, do you get the picture? Obama will raise CGTs, cause a Depression, then do a whole lot more socialist things.

Avoid remorse, regret, and embarassment.

Vote for McCain and Palin in 2008!

The great unwashed
I wish I could remember the wise man that said,"Democracy will survive until the electorate discover thet can vote money from the Treasury." or words to that effect. What is the difference between "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" and "gotta spread the wealth around"? We feel so helpless with Acorn screwing us out of a fair election. If the houses are able to over- ride a veto and the Whitehouse is black, the Supreme Court will soon be Democrat, and the constitution will be destroyed along with talk radio. If it can be discovered that B.O. was born in Africa as rumored rather than Hawaii, he isn't elegable to be the president. How is his brother George doing? "I am my brother's keeper" LOL

HIS own words can defeat him
From Dreams of My Father:'I ceased to advertise my mother ' s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites. '


From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother ' s race. '


From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white. '


From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names. '


From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn ' t speak to my own. It was into my father ' s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I ' d packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. '

And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!


From Audacity of Hope:'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. '


* If you have never forwarded an e-mail, now is the time to Do so!!! We CANNOT have someone with this type of mentality running our GREAT nation!! I don ' t care whether you a Democrat or a Conservative. We CANNOT turn ourselves over to this type of character in a President. PLEASE help spread the word


Tally of Supporters

Republican Party supporters:

Strict-constructionist judge advocates
Small business owners
Pro-lifers
Gun advocates
Farmers
Patriots/Nationalists (they love America)
Good defense advocates
Lower tax advocates
Capitalists
Self-reliant people of all stripes
Responsible citizens
Thinking people


Democrat Party Supporters

People who don't understand facts
People who vote based on likeability
People who don't care if Dems are socialists
Well.......I won't embarass Dems by listing all the character-types that support their party.

Vote for McCain and Palin in 2008!

You won't regret it.

health plan
i do not go to the doctor.
i do not go to the hospital.

the last doctor i was forced to see was for a physical as i was discharged from the army.

the health care plan is MANDATORY.

will the Amish be forced to pay even if they do not use it. Christian Scientists? Other modern medicine opposers?

will i have to pay even if i do not use it.
there are people who do not put their health and bodies into the care of MD's.

this will be just another forced program like social security or workers compensation programs.

so much for liberty under the menshevik and bolshevik traitors in congress.

if you like the v.a. hospitals, you will be crazy over the government socialist hospitals.

ab

we dont need no stinkn plumbers
the democrats and republicans have already flushed the citizens down the toilet into the sewer of turdworldism.
fiat $.
bailouts for billionaire crooks.
social security ponzi scheme.
failure focused public education.

congressional lackeys of the globalists billionaires. traitors all.

and that they still get amerikan citizens to vote for them is beyond reality.

ab
lancaster, taxifornia
push 1 for english in amerikastan

Why America will fall
This thread is a perfect example of what is wrong with America. Even though you just witnessed our "leaders" stealing our money in order to NATIONALIZE (against the will of 80% of Americans) a large portion of our economy you continue to argue about which thief you want in "charge".

What do McCain, Obama, Clinton (Mr. & Mrs.), Bush (Jr. & Sr.), Cheney, Paulson, Berneke, Pelosie, Reid, Dodd, Feith, Wolfowitz, Rockefeller and many more of our political and financial "leaders" have in common? They are all members of the Council on Foreign Relations. Many are also members of the Security and Prosperity Partnership and/or the Trilateral commission. All three of these organizations are striving to bring about a single global government. While they deny that is their desired outcome, if they attain their stated missions and goals it is the only result that is possible.

http://www.cfr.org
http://www.spp.org (formerly http://www.spp.gov I wonder why the change to org?)
http://www.trilateral.org

Please, I am begging you all. Left, Right, Middle or outer-space I don't care how you self-indentify, look at the whole picture. Realize the "financial crisis" is the latest WMD (Weapon of Mass Deception) that has been used on us. The "financial crisis" plot mirrors the "danger from Iraq" plot. Neither existed until the government and the press first created them and then made them realities. They are both tools of fear being used to not just make people accept more government intrusion and spying (Iraq) and the transformation of our economic system into one of communism (financial crisis). But to make us WANT AND ASK for such changes in order to "protect" ourselves. They are both also being used to crash our economy. Deny the obvious facts all you want. Your stubborn denial will not change the reality you experience.

Spread the Money Around
Obama not only wants to spread your money around to those less off Americans, but more importantly he wants to give OUR MONEY out all around the world!

THE 'ONE'
will be the 'ONLY' financial planner Americans will have.
And the 'ONES' financial plans for us ALL--we will no longer have to die first for the 'ONE' to tax our 'estates'.
barrys math, like his ability to count how many states we have (57 or is it 58) goes something like this:
NEW AND IMPROVED TAX PLAN
40%--to the Federal Government
15%--to Social Security (which you can not apply for until you are 85)
10%--to your State
2%---to your employers City
2%---to your employers County
2%---to the City where you live
2%---to the County where you live
5%---additional 'property' tax to the County where you live
10%--on all goods and services you purchase
Let's see, that leaves 12% and barry throws in another 10% tax on your 'still alive' estate of $250,000 or more.
How much then is 'left over' to live on?
Of course, there's barrys math of cutting taxes for 95% of us---the 40% who don't pay taxes in the first place and the remaining 55% who are either under the age of 14 or over the age of 100.
Yes, I know, my facts and figures are fictional, however, remember, space travel used to be fictional as well.

TO Former-Rep-Never-a-Dem
How, pray tell, do we do anything about 'the whole picture'?

Obama's Achievement
One of Obama's achievements are described at the following website: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim _proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=1

In my opinion Obama is a "Snake Oil Salesman from CROOK County". DO NOT BUY HIS STUFF (BS) He will take this country to the poorhouse, just like Socialists did in France, Germany, Russia, India etc.

Alessandra (post #41)
--you said in your post that you wanted to hear how a single mother with 2 kids feels about "spreading the wealth."

Well, I've been a single mother who has raised FOUR kids, most of those years on my own. The youngest is now 18, and I am proud to say that they are all well-adjusted, responsible, hard-working individuals.

Was it difficult? You BETCHA! (As Sarah Palin would say -- love that gal)! ;o) -- but I'm proud of the fact that I NEVER asked my fellow taxpayers to pay for my hardships. I never applied for public assistance, welfare or food stamp programs. We ate peanut butter & jelly sandwiches or pancakes & eggs for supper at times, but we never went hungry. I got myself through college on SCHOLARSHIPS; whenever finances were tight, I GOT A SECOND JOB! -- and I have ALWAYS managed to put aside some $$ to donate to my church and charities of MY choosing. When I had medical expenses, I arranged to make monthly payments, and I never had a problem having my request granted. My youngest two children are now in college -- I insisted that they start out in local community colleges -- which are much more affordable than big-name universities -- to take their "basic-ed" classes for their degree, and work for scholarships of their own. Once that is done, they can continue at a state university, which will be more reasonably priced than a private university.

I do NOT believe in socialism -- and I resent very strongly being forced to hand over ever-increasing percentages of my hard-earned money for the GOVERNMENT to decide how it will be used. I have NEVER known of ANY government program which wasn't positively RIDDLED with fraud, corruption, and wasteful spending. I, along with others on these boards, have worked TOO HARD for our money to just hand it over for someone else to distribute.


What we will see under obama.
Does anyone really know what happens with Sec8 housing?
My son came out of the Marine Corps after 6 years and bought a new townhouse for 100K. The gov't started to put Sec8 people into the neighborhood, after 10 years when he went to sell it was worth just 65K, he was forced to rent through Sec 8 making him a landlord for the gov't. He had 4 kids, 1 girl, the boys all shared a room. The 1st applicant wasn't eligible because she had 1 girl and 3 boys, they all had to have a seperate BR according to the rules, the next got in and complained the walls weren't the colors she wanted, freshly painted white I might add, but took it and paid $25 a month against a $985 mortgage, we taxpayers ate the rest.

He still was on the hook for the mortgage rendering him unable to afford the house he earned the right to buy after earning a Masters during that 10 years, we wouldn't want someone to get TOO successful now would we?

This type of social engineering destroys hard working people to reward the lazy, just as obama would "spread the wealth around", he will systematically destroy the economic engine that makes this country work.

No-one has a right to live in a 100K home if it's paid for by another person's sweat, or to hang around the streets while they could be out earning a living. What liberals don't understand is that some people are very happy living as they do as long as they don't have to work for it.

The reason we see "poor" people driving nice cars is because we feed them, we clothe them and we subsidize their heat and A/C, I could be driving a better car too if someone else paid for all my basic needs, but they don't because I don't threaten to burn down cities if I don't get my way.
Welfare is extortion and we are stupid if we allow it to continue as it is.


Bravo!
Cheers to you, LadyX in California!

Steven --
Where the heck are you getting your information? I've been a registered nurse for 23 years, and I've NEVER seen the lineup of people who you claim are waiting to get into drug or alcohol rehab programs! I HAVE seen our MSW's (medical social workers) spend HOURS on the phone and with patients in our emergency department, arranging placement AND FREE TRANSPORT to rehab centers to those who request it, only to have MANY of them SIGN THEMSELVES OUT OF THE REHAB FACILITY the next morning, after they've "sobered up." -- and then go out for another binge and land right back in our E.R.!

-- and let's set the record straight on another thing! We NEVER turn ANYONE away or refuse them treatment, regardless of their ability to pay! It is AGAINST THE LAW in this country to refuse treatment to ANYONE, or to ask for payment prior to treatment at any publicly-funded hospital. We cannot refuse treatment to people here ILLEGALLY, either - and THAT is a problem which is taking a toll on ALL of the hospitals here in Southern CA. We have a CONSTANT PARADE of people receiving FREE medical care, and delivering their newborn "American citizens," all at the expense of the American taxpayers. There is NO OTHER COUNTRY which allows uncontrolled illegal immigration across its borders -- or which grants automatic citizenship to a baby born to a non-citizen -- but those of us who want it stopped are called RACISTS by the libs! This country CANNOT sustain itself, if the "receivers" start outnumbering the "payers" -- it's simple MATH! The WALL needs to be BUILT, and then we can talk about CONTROLLED, LEGAL immigration!

Steven bleats
But I don't resent him nearly as much as I resent you
because he never pretended to be a Christian.

Are you God that you know my heart and my level of charity because I don't believe that taxing those who produce to give to those who don't is a legitimate function of government? Just wow.

You really don't like being shown up for the hypocrite you are, do you?

Tell us, why you aren't living as a citizen in one of these Workers' Paradises you extol so highly? It's one thing to live there as even a working tourist, but quite another thing to put your money where your big fat mouth is and actually renounce your American citizenship to become one of those nameless, unisex, one-size-fits-all drones. Let's see you have the courage to live under those convictions you deem so superior-and let us know how that works out for you. Like I said in my first post, I'll even buy your ticket; I daresay there are others here who would gladly kick in.

Before you go, however, tell us where Jesus ever taught that fools were to be indulged, or the idle to be supported by the productive.

As I recall, He had names for people like you who think they're better than everyone else.

Further, you don't like what I write, don't read it or respond to it. Simple.

And, have a nice day.

One way to get the attention . . .
of the democRATS (if b HUSSEIN obama is elected) would be for all of us who work for a living to declare a general strike and stay home for two weeks. This would put the government (and wall street) on notice because of the drop in "investment" I mean tax revenue.
It is highly unlikely that b HUSSEIN obama's jackbooted thugs could put a stop to such an action.

This is NO secret!
Obama is not giving any secrets away. His message has been loud and clear! His supporters want a socialist nation. The ugly part of this story is what Obama will do to people who don't go along. Can we say - Communist???

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. "....... Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

Seawolf...
...speaks the truth about the "section-8" housing issue. People who have worked their arses off to get themselves through school and into decent-paying jobs, and scraped and saved for YEARS to afford a down-payment on a house, are often finding themselves with neighbors who have been granted the "right" to live in that same neighborhood, with very little required effort on their parts, because the rest of the homeowners/taxpayers are footing the bill. To add insult to injury, people, in general, tend to have little-to-no respect for what they haven't earned for themselves. If you cruise through the neighborhoods in California, there is a very good chance that you'll be able to identify the homes with section-8 occupants, by looking at the condition of the home and yard. (I don't care HOW POOR one is -- in MOST families, I'm sure that there is SOMEBODY who is physically able to work a lawnmower, if they are inclined to do so -- that is, of course, after they've removed the car parts from where the lawn is supposed to be).

In SOME of these neighborhoods, it also affects the SAFETY of the nearby residents -- my good friend has had his home and car vandalized -- twice! -- and was recently awakened after midnight by SWAT team officers, who hauled off his new next-door neighbor, on drug, spousal-abuse, and "brandishing a weapon" charges. There is suddenly gang-related violence in the nearby high school, where there was no such problem ten years ago.

If the libs want to discuss "fairness," please explain to me how this is FAIR to the people who have worked so hard to purchase their homes and wish to raise their children in safe neighborhoods? -- and don't tell me I'm stereotyping! -- I am saying that this is the case with TOO MANY -- and ONE is TOO MANY, if he's living in your neighborhood -- irresponsible people who are granted government freebies.

things that make you go hmmm
Libs think:Obama isn't going to take MY money, he's going to take it from 'them there over there'. Well, guess what folks: from MY point of view, YOU are 'them there over there'.

lose-lose situation

Gotta go to work - we here in Hurricane Ike-ravaged Southeast Texas are STILL paying for all the Katrina people who won't go back to Louisiana because "the benefits are so much better in Texas"

God help us if Obama is voted in.

Nothing Less than Welfare
Instead of calling it welfare, call it campaigning.
We can all get a government job in the Senate and just vote present so not to offend.
Tell people to send us money instead of paying their credit debts and mortgages.
Take two years off and spend the One billion in donations.(wow, what a carbon footprint)
Start socialist communism by raising taxes after planting the seeds of Class Warfare.
Win votes by promising the victors a right to welfare, goverment health care, free education, paid mortgages, cradle to grave enconomics.

Then comes the taxes, government controlled media, shutting down dissent of the citizens, education going to brainwash and youth groups.

Just like 1930's Germany

AliveInHim (post #96)
- GREAT POST! -- and, yes, I would be willing to donate to help "Don Juan" relocate to a socialist "paradise" somewhere, IF he promises to never return to the U.S., and never again to post his asinine drivel on these boards! (Hey....waitaminute.... Are you sure this isn't Alec Baldwin, using an alias? He certainly SOUNDS like him, and choosing a name like "Don Juan" would fit the Baldwin ego). ;o)

Damage to small businesses
Every person thinking of voting for Barack Obama should read this article and the comments from small business owners that follow. It almost brings tears to your eyes thinking about how much hard work, time and money people have put into their business and they are preparing to walk away from them because it just won't be worth it.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/hey_plumber_joe_been _there_don.html

#'s 65 and 66
...Lulu and OnceAlwaysaMarine -- Excellent posts!

Joe is my hero!!!
Hang in there Joe, the press can't kill you. We're all behind you and the republican party is here for you. You may have saved McCain's bacon.

Let's Speak Clearly
The Socialist plan of spreading your wealth to others is not Obama's, it is Karl Marx's. Obama plans to implement Marxism, not have a new plan. Obama has never had a new plan or idea in his entire life. Innovation is a word Obama has no knowledge of.

Don Juan de Moron
Dude you just don't seem to understand economics at all. Please listen to Friday's Hugh Hewitt podcast and his interview with the guy who wrote the book about moving to a random city (Charleston, SC) with only $25 in his pocket to see if in a year he coud save $2500 and buy a car, He did it with extra to spare. Not only did he do it, but so did several of his friends that he had met the homeless shelter. So this goes to show that you and your little do it too. May God Bless America!

Federalist or Marxist?
Federalist or Marxist?
Who shall we elect to stand between us and liberal democrats; a Federalist or a Marxist? I can only speak for myself and I am but one vote but the creeping socialist agenda has me spooked. I hate, like the devil, to hear judges interpreting the Constitution as if their ideological agenda trumps common sense. If I hear of one more Democrat calling him/her-self a fiscal conservative, I think my head will explode. If I see a Socialist Democrat in the White House with the strings of the House and Senate pulled by unbridled egos, I will know for certain that the liberal takeover of our schools will be complete.
RINO’s: pay attention now. I will make this brief. Listen to the results of the recent (October 2008) results of a poll from the U.S. Army Times.

McCain Obama

Overall 68 23

Army 68 23

Navy 69 24

Air Force 67 24

Marines 75 18

Retirees 72 20

White Non-Hispanic 76 17

Hispanic 63 27

Black/African-American 12 79

Enlisted 67 24

Officers 70 22

Since we are a nation at war, the opinions of our fighting men and women in uniform should count for something besides fodder for a Marxist agenda. It seems to me that half of the country is literate and the other gets their news from bumper stickers.

Vote the party of Lincoln.
Vote the Party of Martin Luther King.
Vote the G.O.P.: the money we save will be our own!
McCain/Palin
2008

Min E
Perhaps Obama should have pointed out his plan wouldn't hurt Joe then if that is true. Kind of telling that he didn't know...

On the other hand, the details of Joe's plans are mott. The issue is Obama''s response. "I don't want to punish you" means "but I am going to" because it is more important to equalize incomes. Just like he said he'd raise capital gains taxes EVEN THOUGH it would not increase givernment revenue. Why? "Because it's fair".
He believes that he should be the arbiter of how much money someone is allowed to make.
You like that?

oncealwaysamarine
Glad to see you back- I always look forward to your posts and missed your sage wisdom.

I wish you salute on your new mission. It could not be more important. I agree with you that is the new central front - the hearts and minds of our youth. There has been a steady decay there since the 60's. Godspeed to you...

chad
Why don't you just come out of the lib closet and post as who you are. You're not the first lib to try to pose as a conservative or a republican who is now going to vote for obama to end the hate (or whatever).
No one believes you. Just be who you are. It's ok, really.

Obama's Marxism
People, especially small business, will curcail their agressivness to achieve more, build more if Obama gets in. What would be the point. To work harder to give it to someone else? Jobs will be cut, taxes will be lower and therefore, those of you who are socialist's and probably on the dole, will eventually get less - then there might be less to give to all the illegal aliens in this country who are already bleeding the taxpayers dry ($338 billion per year for their welfare - go a long ways in helping reduce this bailout our congressional politicians have put us in). What is a oxymoron - the very people who are largely responsible for this economic debacle are the ones who are going to fix it? Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Obama, Reid the the nitwit Pelosi? God hlep this country!

Don Juan writes:
"I don't know anyone who would rather be poor than work" -- I'm willing to bet that everyone on these boards can name SOMEONE or MANY people whom they've met in their lifetimes, who would rather live on the public dole than work!

Don Juan continues with,"The problem is that if too few have too much, it is an inevitable drag on the economy" -- I beg to differ, sir! The DRAG ON THE ECONOMY is caused by the "What-is the-government-(i.e., the TAXPAYER)-going-to give-me?" crowd. Welfare was intended to be a temporary safety net for those unfortunates who, as you mentioned, might have lost their jobs and are trying to restart and rebuild their lives -- it is NOT intended to be a lifestyle choice, and I greatly resent the fact that too many people who have the ability to work CHOOSE not to do so! (You would be AMAZED at how many patients I've seen over the years with a supposed "chronic disability" of some sort, which renders them "unable" to work for the rest of their lives. Some of these "disabilities" are downright laughable, and it leaves me wondering how they can look themselves in the mirror every day, knowing that they are cheating the taxpayers, AND accepting funds which are allocated for the TRULY disabled. For the TRUE unfortunates in this country and all over the world, U.S. taxpayers, as noted previously by OnceAlwaysaMarine, are the most generous, giving people on the face of the earth.

To "Slowpoke" (#114)
I've read accounts, after past elections, about significant numbers of our military men and women, who were serving overseas, not having had their votes counted, because they received their absentee ballots too late to mail them back before the deadline. Let's pray that's not the case this year!

Letter to Chicago Tribune pt 1
Please cancel my subscription to the Chicago Tribune.

I am very disappointed in your endorsement of Barack Obama for President. One of the reasons given for your selection is that Sen. McCain’s choice of Gov. Palin was a bad administrative decision. I believe if you look at the facts, this was a brilliant choice and I will list some of the points. 1) Gov. Plain has been the Chief Executive of a state with the seventh largest per capita gross state product (GSP) in the country. The number one per capita GSP belongs to Washington, D.C. and they don’t produce anything but inept bureaucracy. Even our own state of Illinois (16th) ranks below Alaska. We know how the corrupt politics of Chicago, C(r)ook County and Springfield have messed up the financial status of Illinois. Sen. Obama on the other hand has only executive experience in handling grant money distribution to do social engineering. 2) You might claim that Gov. Palin has no foreign policy experience, but neither does Sen. Obama. If you think Sen. Biden adds credibility to foreign policy, think again. Sen Biden was wrong on division of Iraq, in the debate he claimed that Hezbollah had been kicked out of Lebanon; which really has never happened. I cannot imagine which planet Sen. Biden lives on. Besides that he thinks “JOBS” is a three letter word and handicapped people in wheel chairs can stand up.

Letter to Chicago Tribune pt 2
I could go on and list numerous more points (at least 99) where the McCain-Palin ticket is far better qualified than the Obama-Biden ticket.
Further if you look at the article in the Boston Globe of June 27, 2008 (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=1) you will note the results of a failed Obama affordable housing fiasco. Obama seems to support slum landlords (I believe Rezko was one) and is there a subliminal message that the new owner of the Chicago Tribune supports “Slum Landlordship”.
I will also do my best not patronize the advertisers in the Chicago Tribune and am informing them via a copy of this letter.
This letter is also mass distributed.

Obama's Spreading the Wealth is Marxism!
When Barack Obama says he wants to "spread the wealth around," what he's really talking about is redistributing wealth through the tax system by forcing higher income earners not only to pay a disproportionate share of taxes but to give what he calls refundable "tax credits" to those earning less (many of whom do not pay any federal income tax) . . . . . In other words, those who already pay no taxes would be sent a government check equal to the "credits" in Obama's plan. If Obama's plan becomes reality, it will only serve to take money from the most productive Americans in order to reward the least productive in our society.


McCain's plan: Screw Joe the Homeowner
John McCain's plan to buy bad mortgages either directly from lenders or homeowners facing foreclosure at "full value" is a plan to screw Joe the homeowner and reward unscrupulous lenders.
Joe the home owner is the guy/family that has kept up their mortgage payments and built equity in their home. McCain's plan to level the housing market by creating new government loans for those facing foreclosure is troublesome to say the least.
McCain's says after the government pays full value for bad mortgages they should turn around and create new government loans at "today's market value" thereby getting lenders off the hook as well as owners facing loss of their home.
This is a backwards plan that will devalue all homes. The plan says screw the good guys, reward devious lenders and give the people in trouble more than just a break.
If you want the housing market to get back up the plan should be to buy bad mortgages at today's market value, then rewrite new government loans for those in trouble at the "full value of the mortgage loan" they committed to in the first place but at a lower interest rate with a conventional 30 year mortgage. The government would then have a chance to get the taxpayers money they are using in this bailout back into the taxpayers coffers.
The bottomline of reversing McCain's plan would help rise the housing market from the ashes, keep people in their homes and give Joe the homeowner a fair shake.

To Don Juan of Ill.
Yep I got mine all right..... More like, I WORKED FOR MINE and yes screw you!!

empyrius
"You would rather bail out the rich instead of helping the working-class and poor."

It is too bad you were not in my living room when news of the bailout came out. You might have learned a few new words and/or combinations of words I aimed at all of Congress. What makes you think that Conservatives wanted anything to do with a bailout? Could it have been Nancy Pelosi who castigated Republicans for voting against it before there as any vote?

Where do you get your information? Is it printed on the back of Coco Puffs?

Hey, it's only money...
Sure, go ahead, Barack, share MY wealth. My boss gives it to me for doing nothing, after all. It's not like he expects me to work.

Those two college kids next door who loaf all summer? No problem, give them each a $500 check. And give their parents $1,000 too, even though they make a lot more money than I do.

Those dozen illegals who live together in one house, and who use stolen social security numbers? Sure, go ahead and give them each $500 every April 15. Oh, of course, $1,000 if they have families.

My lazy brother-in-law who works part-time three days a year? Sure, give him a check too.

Those thousands of people who will file fraudulent 1040 forms just to get a $1,000 check from Obama every year? No problem. If they took the time to fill out the form, they deserve the $1,000.

America: 7/4/1776 - 1/19/2009
Amerika: 1/20/2009 - the revolution.

Read the "Obama Timeline," "What Obama would do..." and "Obama's 95% tax cut lie" at:

http://www.colony14.net

THIS ELECTION MUST BE HALTED NOW!

FORCE OBAMA TO ADMIT HE WASN'T BORN IN THE U.S.

HE WILL BE AN ILLEGAL PRESIDENT AND WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE IF THIS ISN'T DONE NOW!

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1 244/

Why He's A Jolly Good Fellow 1

On Aug. 8, 2008 there was an article posted on Townhall, believe it or not, extolling the virtue of one of Barack Hussein Obama’s erstwhile mentors. The late American Communist Party mouthpiece, Frank Marshall Davis. The author of this article writes: "While [Frank Marshall] Davis' leftist politics could allow the candidates [Barack Hussein Obama] critics to group Davis with Obama friends and acquaintances with anti-American views, those who knew Davis and his work say his activism was aimed squarely at social injustice."

Feel better now, all you Joe “The Plumbers” out there who “fantasize” about one day owning your own business?

Even if one were to buy into the premise of this puff-piece, there is a preponderance of evidence which suggests that ALL of Mr. Obama’s friends and acquaintances have little or nothing they can identify about America that they DON'T perceive as unjust.

Jeffrey asks:
"why are we spending hundreds of billions of dollars to get rid of Saddam Hussein and build a "democracy" in Iraq? Why don't they do it themselves? Seriously, help me understand why we spend that kind of money on foreigners and balk at spending a fraction of that amount to give children in this country health insurance."

Where in the constitution is it declared that the government is responsible for the health care of its citizens and their children?

Do you own a car? Do you insure that car? Why doesn't the government insure your car? What about your house? Your boat? Etc.?

Regarding Saddam H., America was invited to a war. After we ousted the Taliban from Afghanistan, America chose to open a new front in the war to which we were invited. Why fight where the enemy wants us? We become sitting ducks. In addition to changing the dynamics of the war, America has deprived Islamists of training bases in Iraq.

Now, we are still fighting that same war. The other side did not quit. But, even they acknowledge that Iraq is the central battlefield of that war.

By creating a democracy in Iraq, America has effectively divided Muslim countries. Iran has American forces on their Eastern border and now on their western border too.

United we stand, divded we fall. Muslims are divided. And they are less a threat to the world as long as Iraq remains in the hands of democracy.

Jeffrey
"MUST BE HALTED NOW!

FORCE OBAMA TO ADMIT HE WASN'T BORN IN THE U.S.

HE WILL BE AN ILLEGAL PRESIDENT AND WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE IF THIS ISN'T DONE NOW!"

But just think, if Obama has to be removed from office, then Biden (another Dem) takes his place. The Dems don't care who is in the puppet seat as long as the Dems control the strings.

OncealwaysaMarine: Good Luck
Good luck to you in your noble endeavor...

"I intend to help people learn one simple fact: God helps those who help themselves, and they don't have to forever grovel for crumbs from someone else's table."


Don Juan
So now you call me a pig for enjoying the fruits of my own labors!! After going back to school and working hard for years!! I got your "big picture"... Let's bring future generations into this, shall we?? Eventually my kids will inherit "the fruits of my labor" so sure "I got mine" but if given the opportunity for giving charity, I would much rather give to my own kids, so in essence I "got theirs too" and it would be really nice for them to also inherit the same great country / nation I inherited.... For this I would give my life, so go ahead and take my material posessions which, by the way I DO happen to enjoy but can live without, but don't steal this great "first world" country, freedoms and the culture from my kids that my forefathers and I WORKED HARD to preserve..... Because though in my late fourties I still got a lot of fight left in me especially when it comes to my kids and grandkids, as mentioned above I would kill for and/ or give my own life for... And don't try to school me on "the big picture"

"Let Them Eat Cake"
While living a modestly comfortable life, I often wonder how those who have less get by. It wasn't until I researched the federal government website that I learned just how much money is spent on welfare. It appears to me that the real issue is that it is going to cost much more to protect our country than the public was told. Hence, we have to cut down on the free loaders. So, exactly what is the problem in America? Are there not enough jobs to go around, or are there simply too many people who choose to become parasitic?

HUGH'S "MEA CULPA"?

Every time Hugh complains about Obama (or, God forbid, President Obama) he should preempt his comments with this disclaimer:

"I realize that my irrational response to the attacks of 9/11, and my fanatical and tragic support of an immoral war in Iraq, coupled with my Israel First policy, drove Americans away from the Republican Party, BUT...."


obama voters
nobody cares about this stuff. they believe he won't touch there money and the another half wants handouts. screw it everybody quit there jobs and let the Obamament take care of us.

The tax/spend issue won't work
Bush admittedly spent a lot -- though he did not tax that much. Accusing Obama of tax and spending is premature -- and Obama will not be able to do this without Congress going along. While it is likely that taxes would be higher under Obama than McCain -- it is not a certainty.

Obama's relationships are what should matter. His underlying anti-American philosphy should matter. Obama as president can make enormous impact on immigration enforcement, government quotas, mandatory diversity training, and appointing thousands of people to mid-level positions who share Jeremiah Wright's beliefs.

Also, count on racial prosecutions that make up for the Scottsboro prosecution -- this was a large part of the justification for the Duke lacrosse prosecutions. That case shows that even educated and well-off people can be destroyed with government political correctness.

spread the wealth
france,italy,sweden,finland how many of these countries have millions of illegals on the dole, how many of these countries have it where grandma comes here from another country at 65 and can get on the dole,yes even doctors (here) from india,china and elsewhere bring grandma over at 65 and she get on the dole without ever having put into the system.And how many countries give the same amts. were give to 3rd world nations.

Work
In a free society, work is the mechanism by which wealth is 'spread'. Family work, school work, physical work, intellectual work.

spread the wealth
i can't wit to get my check from the nfl,and nba.Doesn't the statue of liberty say something about give me your lazy, your useless and irresponsible and i will give them a share of your paycheck to keep things even.........

Joe's - "I have a dream"
Most of us have read or remember MLK's stirring speech which included the now famous phrase, "I have a dream...". Well, now we are faced with a regular Joe, Joe-the-plumber, saying in effect, I have a dream. Not only does Joe have a dream, he also has HOPE, hope to CHANGE. Joe hopes to change his current lifestyle by owning and building his own business. Yet, Joe sees that the Obama tax plan could make that dream a more difficult reality. Obama, the supposed catalyst for HOPE and CHANGE, sees Joe as someone who is already doing "good enough." Before Joe can have the opportunity to take his hopes and dreams to the next level he must let Obama "spread the wealth" so those earning less than Joe can catch-up. Apparently Joe must now wait and be satisfied until Obama does some catchin'-up for those not-so-motivated people who earn less than ol' Joe. So much for the dreams, hope and change for others of us who, like Joe, want to take our lives to the next level. Obama's plan for change reminds me of another somewhat famous phrase; "imagine a boot stomping on a man's face."

1984
I recall in the early days of the Reagan administration the dire warnings of the left that 1984 would soon be upon us and Reagan was their "Big Brother." Obama's uncharacteristic honesty with "Joe the Plumber" notwithstanding, the dawn of 1984 seems to have arrived just 24 years late. The "newspeak" of the MSM and the Obama campaign has quickly tried to turn back to the idea that a direct transfer of wealth from one group to another is a "tax break." Mr. Obama has begun to press the idea that, since he will be providing this "break" to working people who pay payroll taxes, it is not a government handout. Since payroll taxes amount to pre-paid medical insurance and contributions to a defined benefit pension plan, payments required even of the evil rich, he is comparing apples not to oranges but to elephants. Increasing taxes on one group, to give the revenue to another group who do not pay any income tax is worse than a welfare payment. To propose such a thing in a campaign is to offer something of value in exchange for a vote, if I were to do it, it would be called a felony. For a candidate to do it it's called politics.

Welfare for Wall Street is Okay!
But Mac supports turning the Treasury Department into a WELFARE AGENCY FOR WALL STREET. Come on!! MCCAIN WANTS TO TAX MY HEALTH CARE BENEFITS! COME ON!! THIS IS A CHARADE!

1862
1862: the year of the first progressive income tax in the United States. Progressive income tax is, of course, a means of spreading the wealth. It's been with us, with brief interruption, for almost 150 years. Obama's plan to tweak the tax rates is nothing radical. Reasonable people can argue that his plan is or isn't good for the country, but it's not hugely different from what we've always known.



cmnsn
Remember that wealth under $100,000 pays an additional 12.4% tax on their labor that is creating a 3T surplus over my working lifetime which Bush/Republicans want to redistribute to the wealth. JPlumber has $150,000 FREE of that 12.4% so he can afford to pay a measily 3% or so more on his highest marginal rate.

Why do republicans whine so much about their taxes but never mention that outrageous 12.4% regressive tax on workers that makes us uncompetitive and which is being REDISTRIBUTED upwards????

Suggested McCain commercial
Show what Joe REALLY said to obama and intercut it with both "I was raised as a poor black child" Obama and "Lunchpail" Biden snidely said about Joe's claim of "making" $250,000. Huckaby had the clip on his show; Joe unmistakably says that he wants to buy a plumbing business with gross profits of $250,000-$270,000 (or that's the cost of the business--what was clear is that he was not giving his salary.

The point be underlined: It's not the question that matters, but the answer. And that the elitist Democrats, who pretend they're for the working and middle class, DON'T LISTEN. They don't want your opinion, just your money.

SPREADING THE WEALTH ...
Obama's first, second, and third priority is to get elected. If that means pandering to large numbers of unemployed, under employed, those on welfare, illegal aliens, and malcontents, he'll be happy to throw them a few crumbs as a way to get their votes. He will also turn democracy and capitalism on it's head, and villainize the affluent and successful in our society, in order to rally the masses behind him. With evangelical zeal Obama will convince his followers to replace reason with hope and belief ... to blindly follow him ... never challenge him ... and embrace his words as gospel. In the real, and unforgiving world of economics however, when you immediately gratify everyone by feasting on the goose that lays the golden eggs, the economy looses it's ability to continue generating growth and wealth. Obama is promising everyone a piece of the pie, whether they helped bake it, or not ... but, only in a socialistic, or communist state do the non-contributors demand to share equally in the property that belongs to others. Immediate gratification is like a drug to the malcontents, but in the big picture, every farmer knows that you never eat your seed crop. If Obama gets elected, America will turn into a third world country, with massive government welfare programs, unable to generate jobs for it's citizens, and unable to compete in the global markets. Keep America safe, free and strong ... elect McCain/Palin on November 4th.

URGENT: Proof Obama was BORN IN KENYA
Former Democrat DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL OF PENNSYLVANIA HAS A RECORDING OF OBAMA'S GRANDMOTHER IN KENYA STATING OBAMA WAS IN FACT BORN IN KENYA and is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. And one of the reasons Obama will not release his college transcripts.

This DISQUALIFIES OBAMA AS PRESIDENT.

LISTEN TO INTERVIEW HERE: COPY AND PASTE THIS LINK IN YOUR BROWSER:

http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/?pageId=2256

URGENT: PASS THIS ALONG TO A FRIEND

bizarro world

I just can't believe the logic here: black=white, up=down, left=right.

Guess I just a communist.
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