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Thursday, April 24, 2008
Hugh Hewitt :: Townhall.com Columnist
Some of My Best Friends Are Liberals. None of Them Are Terrorists.
by Hugh Hewitt
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When George Stephanopoulos asked Barack Obama about the presidential candidate’s friendship with William Ayers, the Clinton staffer-turned-ABC-talking-head touched off a storm of protest on the left.  While no one could deny that Ayers and his wife had been part of the terrorist group The Weathermen, many rushed forward to assert that both were now well-respected members of the Chicago mainstream.

The controversy looked likely to die out at least within the MSM after a few days of focus because of the general theory that even hard core and violent revolutionaries like Ayers and Dohrn can atone and make amends, and that their friends of today ought not to be tarred with their sins of 30 years ago.  This was Obama’s defense –“when I was 8 years old!—and it was working.

Then Guy Benson, a young journalist friend of mine who works for Chicago’s Sandy Rios Show in my network and hosts his own weekend radio show, went digging, and what he found was the tape from a 2007 reunion of the SDS, on which both Ayers and Dohrn talk at length about how they view America today –or at least six months ago when they gathered to celebrate the good old days of revolutionary sparkle.

Rios and I both played excerpts from the tap earlier this week, and Powerline posted the audio to make listening and distribution easy.  The MSM hadn’t looked very hard into the background of Ayers and Dohrn, and hadn’t looked at all at their current political opinions, but the new media, led by a recent product of journalism school, scooped them again.

Reactions to the tapes cross the spectrum, from the usual pointed observations by Mark Steyn –“This is the pool that Obama swims in.”  to the usual incoherent denunciations by Andrew Sullivan of the critics of Obama's friends as a "Freak Show" that will eventually accuse Obama of being a terrorist.

HughHewitt.com alum and all-around brilliant essayist Dean Barnett has put out a thoughtful essay on what Obama’s interesting list of friends might mean, and I want to confirm what he says: Everone that I know who knows Obama –including Townhall.com blogger and columnist Carol Platt Liebau who knew Obama fairly well while on the Harvard Law Review—are quick to declare that he is a wonderful person, smart, charming, and, crucially, a good man.

All of which is wholly beside the point.  Some of my best friends are very liberal.  Some are hard left.  My closest friend is a former senior Clinton White House aide.  Their liberalism doesn’t affect my friendship with them at all, other than to provoke endless, good-natured arguments.

But none of them have ever been terrorists.  All of them have always been patriots.  None have ever hated America.  All would agree that this is best government that has ever been on the earth, and our Constitution the best ever crafted.

They have, of course, completely rejected many excellent candidates and policies I have favored over the years.

And they have been incredibly wrong on occasion, and from positions of power and influence in which their errors had significant and in my judgment very negative consequences.

But their intentions were and remain good.

There’s a difference between rotten and wrong, I like to say.

The Ayers-Dohrn rhetoric of late last year was rotten.  Some of the Jeremiah Wright sermon excerpts have been rotten.  Dohrn referred to America as a “monster” last year.  Ayes accuses the country as it exists today of a litany of terrible sins.  Pastor Wright said G-D America.

Barack Obama seems like a very nice guy with a good heart and a wonderful family.  He is obviously bright and extremely well spoken.  He's a down-the-line leftist with the most left-leaning voting record in the Senate from 2005-2006. 

But of even more concern than his ideas is the fact that his judgment about people and ideas is terribly flawed.  It had to have been not to have been able to see the quite obvious anti-American extremism of Ayers and Dohrn or to have objected not just to a handful of Pastor Wright’s sermons but to much of the material published in his church’s bulletin.

Courage matters most in a president, for as Thucydides wrote, “The secret to happiness is freedom, and the secret to freedom is courage.”

But immediately after courage comes judgment, and after that the ideological agenda that will inform that judgment.

If Barack Obama did not see the problem in befriending and accepting the support of  Ayers and Dohrn  --and he didn’t—and if Obama really thinks Senator Tom Coburn can fairly be compared with Ayers and Dohrn –and he did make that comparison-- then Senator Obama lacks the judgment necessary to be president.

If he understood what this rhetoric meant, then he lacked the courage to separate himself from the extremism from which it emanated.

Whom will Obama believe and trust if he is the president?  How will he judge an ally and an enemy?  How will he staff a vast Executive Branch?  Whom will he appoint to the Supreme Court and how will he judge their characters and their personal histories?  Those are judgment questions.

If he even figures out who the radicals are, will he have the courage to refuse them office or influence?

The Democratic voters of Pennsylvania, like those of Ohio, are the core of the old Democratic Party, the party of Roosevelt, Truman and JFK.  I am from Warren, Ohio, seven miles from the PA border, and spent a dozen years in parochial schools surrounded by Dems with a lifelong union man for a beloved grandfather, and two W.W. 2 combat vet uncles who were also Dems.  I know the Democrats of the Midwest and industrial east.

They aren’t going to buy the Obama package, no matter how wonderfully wrapped.  These folks went with Reagan in 1980, and they will go with McCain in 2008.

It has nothing to do with race, and it isn’t because they question Obama’s patriotism.

But they don't and won’t trust his judgment.  And they will never be friends with his friends.

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Guilt by association?
One of the top candidates for president has been endorsed by the world's leading terrorist, and actually welcomes the support and cozies up to him.

But before McCain is elected in November he isn't likely to be asked to repudiate the Torturer-in-chief. You neocons are lucky to have a candidate so well liked by the so-called "liberal" msm.

Obama is bound to catch fleas
he associates with dogs.

Roy in Oslo?
You see it doesn't so much matter whether Obama is a "nice guy" or not. Congeniality is a superficial characteristic.

What matters are Obama's own actions and beliefs. It is becoming disturbingly, yet increasingly clear that Obama admires, befriends, has married, and seeks the counsel of former terrorists, bigots and hard leftists.

He, himself, has a far-left voting record devoid of any compromise with centrists or those on the right. Far from being a "uniter" he and his agenda will attempt to run roughshod over anyone who differs from his ideology.

Also, we can all expect to see these America-hating leftists placed in key positions of his administration.

If he succeeds the United States will be well on the way to being a neutered socialist medocrity -- a lot like Norway.

Obama is a bad man. Sorry Hugh.
Sorry Hugh but your political correctness stinks.

His tolerance and support of infanticide, terroists, anti white bigots, anti Americanism along with an underlying Marxist says that he is a very bad man.

Nice guy good heart? Wonderful family? Yeah right!

All of the above can also be said of his despicable wife Michelle.

Mr. Hewitt, you are a politically correct coward.




Bizarro planet
Bad man, bad dogs, bad fleas. Bad not good. Me no like bad. Me got it. Me write in Dick Cheney.

Obomber's an intellectual fraud.
There's a truism that it takes a 'special' person to want to get into politics - typically a narcissistic buffoon. Obomber has that quality, and proves it every time his opens his yapper.

Obomber's real problem is the same real problem that afflicts even the lowest-level liberal twit - in the face of evidence to the contrary, he believes he's right.

This simp has prattled on about how we're wrong to be in Iraq and we need to get into Afghanistan - to the delight of Zawahiri (and Zarkawi's ghost) who have forthrightly stated that AQ's goal is a Caliphate in Iraq. Why does Obomber not learn?

To respond to Boutte - the only "Slough of Despond" is the one fabricated by the now-diminishing MSM class. Fortunately for humankind, this new media is providing not only non-filtered information but also links to all source content.

Out military has now mastered counter-insurgency, and is quite busy doing outstanding work in killing off AQI. Diplomatically we have outlasted the Oil-for-Food frauds not only in the UN, but also the Schroeder and Chirac governments. As for the economy, we're doing fine - the major indicator is the simplest: the restaurants are full.

As for hope and change - Obomber's a product of Illinois politics. He's where he is because he sucked up to the right people - however, as a politician he owes his backside to the same. That's not change. His stance of negotiating with terrorists (i.e. Islamo-fascists) puts him squarely in the Neville Chamberlain class. Hope will then exist for the Islamo-fascists, but not for freedom.

Will he provide hope for the underclass? The ones that got creamed by the "tax cuts for the rich?" Oh, that's right - they STILL pay no Federal tax. I guess their hope is that he sticks it to the man, eh?

Bad judgment - his big fault
"But of even more concern than his ideas is the fact that his judgment about people and ideas is terribly flawed."

This statement is the key to why Obama is wrong for the White House. Whatever the cause for his lack of judgment is not important. And at this stage of his life he's not going to change. If he can't see the faults of his friends, how can he be trusted to see the faults of America's enemies?

I'll go one step further - he's such a smooth. oily talker he brings to mind the antichrist - he charms you with his words while he plans to make you a slave to his programs.

Boute
Trying to decide if you're really that stupid, or if you're just another typical liberal spewing the party line. Help me out here. Where did you get that info on McCain? Were you there with him?

Boute
Trying to decide if you're really that stupid, or if you're just another typical liberal spewing the party line. Help me out here. Where did you get that info on McCain? Were you there with him?

Perhaps
Boutte licks the Obama boot and likes it. The U.S. is still heads-up enough to reject "the changeling."

sawdust, Profblog
Looks like we've stumbled onto Moonbat Central...you're wasting your time trying to engage in reasoned discourse with this crowd.

I do not believe Obama is a terrorist
sympathizer or in guilt by association. But asking about Ayers and Dohrn are legitmate questions and Obama has been evasive. The truth is Ayers was more than a casual contact for Obama.


Obama hurting himself
Ask yourself why both Hillary and Obama cap out in the mid 40s? Could it be the country is still polarized, so the Dems and Republicans are plateaued with about 10% undecided or swing? We wont know the trend probably until October (at best).

But if Barak keeps dodging and geting defensive about his contacts, I have a good idea where the trend will go.

Good analysis from Novak too
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/RobertDNovak/2008/04/24/ deepening_democratic_dilemma

McCain anticipates a bump to Barak Obama when the Dem race sorts out, but knows many of the Reagan Democrats who are supporting Hillary will eventually break back to McCain.

So true!
“But they don't and won’t trust his judgment. And they will never be friends with his friends.” BINGO!
I do not see, in all fairness, anyone that “WE” had as choices for president that even remotely stood out in the crowed. With that said, this election will be trying to pick the lesser of the evil given to us by the people that run this country. The real question must be, will America make it through the time of the Liberal, and come out the other end in one piece.

What about Sadam, Bush and Rumsfeld
they were all best freinds.
Do we assocaite the US with teeorist because we are freinds with Pakistan, or we spupplied Iraq with WMD that he used on his own people?
What about fighting wars by proxy against 3rd world nations?
Obama is scum bag but I refuse to be a hypocrate to the degree I can stop it.
This is why I stopped listening to your show. You complain about MSM biased then perpetuate your own. Jesus talked long, hard and often about the dangers of hypocracy. His sharpest rebukes where to the hypocrates.
I know you fear the camel riding bomb thowers but I fear Him who can destroy both body and soul.

sorry for spelling cant find glasses

Brief comments.

Fight4right, 3:30 AM post - well said.

Hugh, a tragically accurate profile.

But the big questions remain.

How many voters will actually be exposed to these facts before November? And how many will still remain unconvinced... in spite of the evidence?

But I humbly predict that the American center will soundly reject Obama, his glaring lack of judgement... and what he really stands for.

Boutte
My, may you never get old, your fear of aging is overwhelming, I suggest killing yourself soon. Besides hatred like yours got no place to go, Cuba does not need a propagandist anymore.
Of course you have a copy of McCain’s P.O.W. songs or at least heard them? Why don’t you write a copy and post it, we have a copy of your thoughts. Voices like yours helps Conservatives understand what the alternative could be. I do not know if you noticed there are very few Conservative ragging on McCain these days, why should they, the Democratic circus has come into town and in juxtaposition makes McCain look great.
So speak as loud as you want bubba, each and everyday, continue to remind us why you love your specious Obama, whose is now afraid to debate. You do as much for his cause as his foul mouth preacher and his terrorist associates. You breath new life into the cliché, With friends like you, Obama does not need enemies. You are his kiss of death.
McCain does not have to say anything, you say it all.

Excellant Article
My sentiments exactly.

Obama has lacked not only judgment but also perspective. Has he so surrounded himself with these ultra-liberal wackos and is so in lock step with them that he didn't see this coming?

Does he believe William Ayers & Rev. Wright have the correct view of America and we're all wrong?

I truly believe he does! If such is the case, how will he punish America as President for slavery? Reparations? No taxes for Blacks? How will he punish America for pollution? For past wars? For aiding Israel?

The smooth talker of CHANGE in America, is no friend of America. And change it he will.

You are kidding, right?
SAWDUST: go here!

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_declass ified_landing.htm

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_wasmcca inbrainswashed.htm

Passed on by another Vietnam Vet, 14th APS. Cam Rahn Bay RVN, 1969 – 70

Some info on Cam Rahn in case you do not believe it could be true either. Do not have to buy, just read.

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This is why I cannot vote for McCain “if” Hillary runs, “if” Obama runs then I have got to vote for McCain. Get it? The lesser of the evils.

How can we trust Hewitt?
How can we trust a man who had such close ties with a known liar and anti-semite: Richard Nixon? Even after we knew what a corrupt, insane liar Nixon was, Hewitt still worked on managing the construction of the Nixon library! What kind of judgement does that show?

It's interesting that Hewitt doesn't post any of the views of Ayers from the audio tape he mentions. I'm guessing they couldn't have said anything too bad if Hewitt doesn't even want to repeat them here.

Some things to consider: Ayers never killed anyone. He turned himself in to authorities. He had a trial. And he has been a lawful, productive member of society ever since.

And I'm sure Ayers does have some critical things to say about the US. So do I. That doesn't make either one of us anti-American. All it means is that we're not blinded by our loyalty to America. Or is Hewitt suggesting that ANY criticism of the US is anti-American? Maybe Hewitt is that much of a fascist.

The real test of a presidential candidate's judgement is how they would employ the US military. Obama was for the war in Afghanistan and opposed to the war in Iraq. Afghanistan was an intelligent and necessary use of force. Iraq was a foolish and reckless use of force that jeopardized the mission in Afghanistan.

In these two cases, Obama showed far superior judgement to McCain and to all Republicans.

So there.

Phylo out.

torturer in Chief????
Roy in Oslo
You think sprinkling a little water on someone who would cut your throat in a minute is torture? granted, if Ted Kennedy was doing the job, maybe, but as Jimmy on South Park would say "Come on". Would you rather people die than make a terrorist wet or uncomfortable? Really? I suppose as long as you can maintain your moral high ground it will be OK. My 17 year old nephew who hates Bush and doesn't really follow politics once said "Liberals are P***ies. I almost gave up political discussion for good as he said it better in 3 words than anyone ever has. Game, set, match!

Why
are Obama's associations of the sort of Wright, Ayers, Farrahkan? Is there like thought, ideas, worldview, doesn't getting the endorsement of a known terrorist group bothersome? What is it about him they find attractive? His church had opened its webpage and allowed a Hamas leader post its writing there. Why does he attract and hold these associations? Purely accidently, you are usually known by the company you keep. He has disdain for conservatives, "typical" white people, many of the people of Penn. Just because some own guns and are church-going.

Hewitt redefines America
You can't do it, Hugh. YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT and be credible. You just can't throw individuals or groups out of America. (Right now I'd like to throw Kobe Bryant out of America because he's anti-American (by scoring 40 some points on the Nuggets)). But you just can't make up your own list of who is American and who isn't. God won't let you.

Some of My Best Friends Are Liberals. No
I liked your article. Judgement is one of the most important traits of a good President. Many have fallen because they lacked it. Ulyses S Grant had the most scandal ridden adiministration because of being a lousy judge of character.

Consider Clinton who chose Joslyn Elders as Surgeon General. She was a total dumbo who advocated that schools teach elementary age boys to masturbate.

Oh, and don't forget Mr. Nixon. He was also a lousy judge of character.

So, how does Obama stack up. I would say that any man who keeps comapany with anyone that preaches God Damn America is really lame in the area of judgement. Stupid, is a better word.

And don't forget Carter who is so dumb in judgement that he thinks Hamas is made up of nice little people that will negotiate with us.

Farrakhan - Wright - Obama
Wright and his apologists argue that black racism is simply a product of their culture because of past sufferings. Their racism cannot be understood by those outside their culture and therefore is in accord with what is just.

Wright not only preaches racism he awards racism.
He and his church awarded a life time achievment award to Louis Farrakhan.

Farrakhan is quoted as having said, "The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him."

Farrakhan believes "Six-thousand years ago, an evil wizard called Dr. Yacub created the white "race" in a genetic experiment." Whites and blacks do not have the same creator.

Farrakhan boarded a UFO "mother wheel" piloted by 13 youths now orbiting Earth, waiting to destroy the whites and rescue the blacks.

Farrakhan stated that North America will be encapsulated with a "shield" and then the atmosphere will be burned off after the "mother wheel" rescues blacks.

If charged with a crime "such talk" would rule Farrakhan not being competent to stand trial, yet Wright and his congregation applauded and awarded him.

Obama selected Wright as mentor, spiritual guide and sat in his church 23 years.

Obama now says his experience qualifies him for POTUS and has a "vision for change" for America.

Obama and Inapppropriate
Inapppropriate to me has a connotation of time and setting.

It is Inapppropriate to wear blue jeans and a T-shirt to a formal wedding. (time and setting)

It is Inapppropriate to discuss the superbowl at a funeral with the bereaved. (time and setting)

It is not Inapppropriate to do those things in another setting or time.

Obama said the Mentor Wright and Farrahkan anti-semetic comments were Inapppropriate.

Obama said that Mentor Wrights comments on America were Inapppropriate.

Does that imply by the word Inapppropriate that the comments might be apppropriate at another time or setting?


Obama on Liberation
Liberation theology
Jeremiah Wright said that James Cone had a great deal of influence on him. Obama said Wright had a great deal of influence on him.

James Cones words:

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love".
James Cone
New York's Union Theological Seminary


Hillary is Handicapped
Hillary is handicapped by a type of serious mental disorder called a "psychosis" or Liberalism in which a person cannot tell what is real from what is imagined. The main feature of this disorder is the presence of delusions, which are unshakable beliefs in something untrue.

Those who are afflicted with Liberalism have problems with recollections of their mis-deeds and total recall with mis-deeds of opposers.

Truth relativism increases proportionately when facts are not congruent with their statements.

Rationalizations increase dramatically when behaviour is spotlighted.

Ambguity becomes straightforward answers.

Opinons become knowledge and facts become appraisels formed in the mind.

Dysfunctional behaviour is normal and normal behaviour is dysfunctional.

Deviate behaviour is normal and normal behaviour is unenlightened.

Empathy for criminals proportionately increases while sympathy for the criminals victim decreases.

Sins of the guilty should be paid for by the innocent.

Responsiblity of ones actions and decisions are clearly the fault of others.

"Please relax," says Hillary, like a stewardess in an airliner with only one wing and two engines, one of which is on fire, "you are perfectly safe in my hands."

Birds of a Feather?
It's an old aphorism that my mother used to use on me when she didn't approve of the folks I was associating with. It goes: "Birds of a feather, flock together." Is this applicable to Bama? After all, he himself has told us in his book how conflicted he was about his own identity. Too dark to be white, he converted to really black. Another old truism: "No one more zealous than a recent convert."

Mr. Roy
Like to get your opinion on GW Bush. And, don't you think that the majority of Americans feel that choosing Bush as president for two terms was a bad mistake?

Should we care about Bill Ayers?
Althouse has the dirt:

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/04/should-we-care-about-b ill-ayers.html

Ayers is not a "professor of English" but a professor of K-12 education who wants to use public schools as a form of "social justice" to educate and combat issues in society (i.e., indoctrination of the youth to left wing politics). Maybe the beter question to Obama is what is take on that is?

OH! Forgot..
SAWDUST; In case you need to hear and see it go to this and press play…..
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_hopper _video.htm

Obama and Mentors
Mentor Wright
Wright not only preaches racism he awards racism.
He and his church awarded a life time achievment award to Louis Farrakhan.

Farrakhan is quoted as having said, "The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him."

Farrakhan believes "Six-thousand years ago, an evil wizard called Dr. Yacub created the white "race" in a genetic experiment." Whites and blacks do not have the same creator.

Farrakhan boarded a UFO "mother wheel" piloted by 13 youths now orbiting Earth, waiting to destroy the whites and rescue the blacks.

Farrakhan stated that North America will be encapsulated with a "shield" and then the atmosphere will be burned off after the "mother wheel" rescues blacks.

These two men are Mentors of Obama.

Obama on Infestation
Infestation = to spread or swarm in or over in a troublesome manner.

How many 'vermin' will it take to declare that Obama is 'infested'?

Speaking of terrorists
and cross-cutting from Cal Thomas' essay this morning, did you know that Israel went on to elect three terrorists as prime minister? Of course they were terrorists in the name of Israel, so maybe that makes a difference.

Liberals and Character
Liberals say association with radicals and endorsements of terrorists doesn't prove anything about Obamas' character.

It sure is a good starting point.

If one wants to pick someone to guard the flock, a good starting point would be with a Sheepdog and not a wolfe.

Choosing a Sheepdog would not guarantee good results but choosing a wolfe would guarantee bad results.

A question for liberals - Why are radicals attracted to Obama - do they know his true character?

Proud Liberal
Assuming what you say is true...so? Do we elect Israeli leaders? Do we have a say in their policy? Here is a suggestion: rather than performing the slight of hand misdirection illusion, try sticking to the topic at hand.

Proud Liberal
Have you ever made a post that did NOT point to someones bad behavior to excuse liberal bad behavior?

The very essence of your philosophy of life seems to be copied from 'Flip Wilsons' comedy routine: "You're another one".

Have you ever looked at bad behavior and NOT tried to justify it by saying "look at that bad behavior"?

Ayers and his ilk murdered Americans
Mr. Ayers proudly claims responsibility for murdering everyday Americans with his bombs. Ms. Dohrn as well. It is simply a sad fact of sloppy jurisprudence that kept these folks out of prison or worse. They didn't change their views, goals, aspirations, or anything else other than their methods of destruction. They now teach the ones who teach our little ones to destroy our nation. Can you say American Madrassa?
Support from former yet "active" members of the SDS is not something about which anyone with character can be proud.
Mr. Obama has again shown his stripes. When will we understand that clear fact?

Change
Obama says he will not disassociate himself from a racist, his pastor and mentor, he will not disassociate himself from terrorists, and of course he is not going to divorce his racist wife. He's not going to change. That's the change you can believe. He's not going to change.

RE: Phylo the LIAR!
Ayers never killed anyone? Um, he was the leader, founder, and operational director of an organization that shot a cop in the back!

Oh, but of course, since he never pulled the trigger himself, that just makes him an upstanding citizen!

Phylo, you are so freakin' insane, I find it hard to believe that any rational person would allow you outside of your padded room long enough to voice your utter stupidity on Townhall.com. By your backwards logic, Osama bin Laden "never killed anyone", and should be celebrated as a hero.

The FACT of the matter is that no one should really be shocked in the least that an America-hating racist bigot like B. Hussein Obama would get all cuddley with a terrorist like Ayers, and no one should be shocked that Phylo is standing behind Ayers and Obama's associations with him.

Trite and disingenuous
Trite and disingenuous.

Hugh's assertion that some of his best friends are liberal is trite and disingenuous.

This web site is one big Liberal bashing Kum by ah, group hug.

How does that experession go, with friends like these, who needs enemies?

Or perhaps Hugh believes in keeping his friends close, but his enemies closer.

Hugh is an enemy to liberals and he wants us to believe he has liberal friends.

Right.

Trite, hackneyed and disingenuous. BS Hugh.

Isn't it funny how people like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Hugh pull out the "some of my best friends are liberal" schtick whenever they really want to bash a liberal.

I'm sure your liberal friends really appreciate being used like that Hugh.

I guess we can add another word, despicable. Or we could, if anyone actually believed a word of it.

I believe
That Obama actually believes pretty much all of the anti-American stuff promoted by his friends. It is obvious that Wright is more than just a pastor to him, and he obviously considers Ayers his buddy.
I have to admit, the first time I heard him speaking his voice was just so mesmerizing, despite a lack of content, and the first thing I thought of was the anti-Christ.

Phylo Se Fiser
I have admittedly heard a great many of the asinine statements made by Dick Nixon, but I have not heard of these anti Jewish remarks. Understand that I am not disputing what you say.
I have never been a Nixon fan and it is well within the realm of believability that he said these things.

I am curious though, how do you feel about Jimmy Carter? Because he has also made similar anti jewish remarks, most while he was president.

Frankly, I think such attitudes are disgusting in the extreme, and I would absolutely question Hughs ethics if he knew this while continuing to laud Nixon.

But let us keep things in perspective. Hating jews-reprehensible as that is-hardly rises to the level of planting explosives and other violent terroristic endeavors. And lest you think I do not take jew hatred seriously, you should know that my wife of 12 years is jewish.

And if Hugh were running for president, such connections with Nixon might indeed give me pause, since I would naturally wonder if he share's Nixon's views. Fortunatly Hugh is not running for the office of president. Obama is.

Sorry Hugh you're wrong
"It has nothing to do with race, and it isn’t because they question Obama’s patriotism."

It is precisely his patriotism which comes into question. Why did BHO associate with these people and attend that church? Because he shared their views that's why! There were a lot of good people who opposed the war in Vietnam on principle and they were not commies. They just felt the benefit didn't justify the cost. Bill Ayres and his wife were communist to the core and worked to overthrow the entire system. They were and still are marxist to the core. BHO knew that when he met them and knows it now. It isn't about judgement but about ideology and values. BHO is a communist and terrorist sympathizer and no amount of wishy washy talk of change and hope can hide that. The dems had an opportunity to move toward the middle ground last year but they first made Nancy Pelosi the House Speaker and are on the verge of nominating BHO as their candidate for President. There are plenty of Dems who are more in touch with Middle America but not the two candidates or Madame Speaker. The more and closer Americans look at this guy the less they like him. He is a radical out of touch with main street and I predict if the Dems are dumb enough to nominate him he will go down in flames.


Obama
He is at the very least naive or at the very worst a user of people. It seems he will use anyone and their money and influence from any circle to get to the White House, then claim innocence.

Either way you look at it he is not presidential material.

Post Holer
Yes I am sure when you gather in liberal forums or visit web sites with a more liberal bent, conservatives are spoken of with collective respect.

Honestly, I see this cry baby nonsense in here by left leaning folks all the time. "Townhall is full of right wingers!" Yes it certainly is...and? Or are you telling me there are no liberal sites you can visit? I think we both know there are plenty of those.

Conservatives are attcked by liberals all the time. We can take it. How do we respond? We fight back. You folks on the other hand whine and lament that you are being attacked. You call yout ideoligical adversaries, "bullies" and "mean" because they have the audacity to fight back with the same vigor of those who attack them.

My advice to you? Grow a set. Political debate is not for those with weak constitutions.

Associating with Phylo
If associating with insane liars makes one unamerican and unsuitable for public office, I can't afford to associate with Phylo.

Swirly is a great
uniter. I swore I would not vote for McCain and thanks to "Swirly The Great Uniter" I'm going to pull the lever for McCain. Swirly is swirling around the bottom of the bowl.

Retired Geek
I have served on boards with bankers and with some people who have far right political opinions some of which I found reprehensible. The idea that because someone serves of boards or has made common causes with those with whom they disagree makes them of like mind is just plain silly. Obama serves in the senate with some senators who are on the right side of the political spectrum. Should that make us suspect that he shares the opinions of conservative Republicans?

John Adams, when practicing law, defended British soldiers. Did that make unsuitable to be President? Noone would now question or even then questioned his patriotism. This current attempt to tar Obama with the views of people with whom he sometimes associated is merely an attempt to smear him because of disagreement with his policy prescriptions.

Cepat2 writes:
"Mr. Ayers proudly claims responsibility for murdering everyday Americans with his bombs. Ms. Dohrn as well. It is simply a sad fact of sloppy jurisprudence that kept these folks out of prison or worse. They didn't change their views, goals, aspirations, or anything else other than their methods of destruction."

Think about the above statement for a moment. Bill Ayers and his wife have nothing but hatred for and wish to destroy the VERY system which upheld their Constitutional rights and set them free despite their obvious guilt. In the marxist maoist utopia they wish to create for this country that would never happen. Remember that in November when it comes time to vote.

JPH
No, merely serving on the same board is not enough, but allowing Wiliam Ayers to kick off Obama's state senate campaign at Ayers' house is another matter.

Obama and Ayers are more than mere ships that pass in the night.

We Gravitate Where We Are Comfortable
For instance, most of my friends are conservatives, gamblers and gamers...yes an odd combo, but since these interests are part of my life, I seek and obtain relationships with like minded persons.

Now, I don't have any friendships with people who dance, play tennis, ride motorcycles, are liberals, are anti-semites or racists, water ski, or who are vegetarian because those avenues do not interest me and I have nothing in common with them.

Like what we've heard millions of times by now, you can chose your friends and your pastor....

Obama gravitated himself to racist and anti-American mentally dangerous people. These folks are extreme he hangs with one has to be an idiot not to see their core values are what Obama appreciates.

Disloyalty
Why is it that people on the right are obsessed with potential disloyalty. The right has accused those with whom they disagreed on Vietnam and now Iraq with disloyalty. Presidential candidates or other politician with whom they disagree are called traitors, socialist, or even communists. Because Obama had some contact with some people who he has said he disagrees with he is now suspected of sharing their views. With the right there seems to be little room for disagreement without being seen as disloyal or somehow outside the pale. We have not had a problem with insurgency in the country that might justify this paranoia.

Why do you seem to immediately attack the integrity, loyalty or good intentions of someone with whom you disagree? Are you so insecure in your positions that you cannot defend them on rational grounds?


choose your pastor
Everyone for Obama...let him know I'm a pastor and available to be his spiritual advisor. I don't have a shady past and I've never cursed out my country in the pulpit. He should be pretty safe with me.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree and BHO's tree needed some trimming badly before he decided to run for the presidency.

RGeek
Remember The Tin Woodsman from The Wizard of Oz and his affliction? I give you The Obamabots!

JPH
writes, "Why is it that people on the right are obsessed with potential disloyalty."

You can't stifle the issue with this argument. BHO is running for the presidency. Any hint of disloyalty is a big deal. If my wife caught me flirting with family terrorist (homewrecker) she would scream for months. At the very least Barak is flirting with a group of people he should have no contact with...but we should all just let it go, right?

Georgetwin
I think you are on to something.

Good morning to you!

Bush A Mistake?
If the majority of Americans thinks electing Bush was a mistake, it is because the MSM has been pounding that into their heads over and over until they start to believe it.

"A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth"
- Josef Goebbels.

Besides, did you REALLY want Gore or Kerry?

JPH
JPH writes: "This current attempt to tar Obama with the views of people with whom he sometimes associated is merely an attempt to smear him because of disagreement with his policy prescriptions."
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Obama has "smeared himself".

JPH the bigger question is why are radicals attracted to Obama?


p.r.
I repeat my argument above.

Obama has associated with many more people than Ayres or Wright some of whom have far right views. Why is it that you think he might be disloyal and that he shares their views?

There are many people in this world that I profoundly disagree with but I don't jump to the conclusion that they are disloyal. For example, the Bush family has been good friends with some Saudi leaders. Does that call into question their loyalty? I disagree with Bush on many issues but I would not question his loyalty.

The Word of The Day: Association
"None of Them Are Terrorists"


To take issue with Sen Obama is valid, actually required, as a responsible and informed electorate, but to "spin" and Malign in the name of Nationalism, with a claim of "Duty" is reckless.

While I am not a fan of Sen Obama, as my political ideology leans center right, I struggle to understand the conscience of men & women who tear each down by day, and claim a relationship with God in the same breath.

Yes. I want my desired candidate to win the election.

Yes. I believe that scrutiny should be applied to all who pursuit this endeavor (running for office)

No. I do not believe that a Christian Nation assails its citizenry, relying upon the premise of "They Do It Too." With this tactic, we are left to be no better than those with whom we disagree, just filled with the hubris of Nationalism and the sin of Hate.




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Retired Geek
That is a "do you beat you wife point." You probably define anyone who supports his as a radical.

You are obviously a radical. Are you attracted to him? I on the other hand am not a radical and am attracted to him.

JPH
JPH wrote: "I have served on boards with bankers and with some people who have far right political opinions some of which I found reprehensible."
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I am reminded of a Churchill question:

Now that you have established what you are JPH, what is your price?

Retired Geek
You seem to think that you know what I am so you do not address my point. Do you not have a response to my point about conservative paranoia or do you think it is sufficient to just label me?

JPH and Obama on education
Obama on Education
“I don’t want to send another generation of American children to failing
schools. I don’t want that future for my daughters. I don’t want that
future for your sons. I do not want that future for America.”
- Barack Obama
Jefferson-Jackson Dinner, Des Moines, Iowa
November 10, 2007
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Obama Solution: Determine those teachers that ARE doing their job and pay them more.

Obama doesn't tell us whether preferences, quotas or affirmative action will be used to determine those teachers who are doing their job.

Teachers who are causing the "failing schools" will continue to teach - according to the Obama plan.

It is estimated that 3.2 million teachers will teach the 49.6 million students in 2007-2008.

Logically one could conclude that a significant number of teachers are contributing to the "failing schools" syndrome. Assume 10%, that means 320,000 teachers are teaching 4,960,000 students - that leaves each state (on average) with 100,000 students with a failed education.

Obama doesn't inform us to why those "failure contributors" shouldn't be doing something else.

The Obama plan for education:

If you are doing the job you were hired to do, I will pay you more than your current pay.

If you are NOT doing the job you were hired to do, I will continue your current pay.

Do you support the Obama plan JPH?


Obama on families
Obama on families
"Since 1960, the number of American children without fathers in their lives has quadrupled, from 6 million to more than 24 million. Children without fathers in their lives are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of school, and 20 times more likely to end up in prison."
Barak Obama
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The Liberal contract with women included:
1) We will pay you if you don't work.
2) We will pay you if you don't marry someone who is working.
3) We will pay you more if you have more children.
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Could this possibly have an impact on the breakup of families?


JPH and paranoia
Conservatives are problem solvers.

Liberals are problem makers who never look at the 'collateral damage' of their solutions.

JPH if you were looking at the causation of most of the problems in America and speaking out on them - would you be called paranoid?


Retired Geek
Obama on Education
“I don’t want to send another generation of American children to failing
schools. I don’t want that future for my daughters. I don’t want that
future for your sons. I do not want that future for America.”
- Barack Obama
Jefferson-Jackson Dinner, Des Moines, Iowa
November 10, 2007
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Obama Solution: Determine those teachers that ARE doing their job and pay them more.

Obama doesn't tell us whether preferences, quotas or affirmative action will be used to determine those teachers who are doing their job.

Teachers who are causing the "failing schools" will continue to teach - according to the Obama plan.


The article doesn't detail what plan, if any, would be applied to the problem. The response provided addressed the desired to "Not Send Children to Failing Schools". That's it. To take that point and infer an underlying message is beyond disingenuous, and more akin to just being intentionally dishonest.

This tactic could be applied to you as well.... So from you response we can now infer that you only want to consider minority teachers.... This must be true as you've said nothing to the contrary... Which would be slanderous.

If you don't like the candidate, please articulate a well reasoned and sound position, beyond rumor, inference, innuendo, & slander... Speak as if you believe that God created us all.



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Obama KNEW, he's NOT naive
Come on folks, of COURSE Obama knew. After we were bombarded with interview after interview of his fellow "church" members fending for “reverend” Wright and a whole slew of "African American" pastors came on one after one stating "oh, this is not big deal, this is quite common in ALL ‘African American’ churches throughout America, it’s just white people who are oblivious to this.” Shouting out curses from the sanctuary of a church is just “normal” to us”

Oh, so are we to assume because Obama is half white that somehow he just didn’t know about Rev. Wright?

Hisssss….anyone who even entertains the notion that perhaps it's only a case of Obama's "bad judgment" is either naive or disingenuous. Or my favorite excuse “Obama was just using that church for political reasons.”

I admit those are good hook slogans to say it’s only Obama’s bad judgment or political ambitions, that just doesn’t fly in the face of truth.

Of course Obama KNEW, the church’s own website and newsletters clearly stated they are a black-power racist church only interested in helping the black poor, helping the black aids victims, helping black this or that.

No. Obama KNEW and that is that.

Kudos to Hillary Clinton for ridding us of him.

Retired Geek is RIGHT, Obama KNEW
Retired Geek writes: Thursday, April, 24, 2008 9:49 AM
Obama on Liberation
Liberation theology
Jeremiah Wright said that James Cone had a great deal of influence on him. Obama said Wright had a great deal of influence on him.

James Cones words:

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love".
James Cone

-New York's Union Theological Seminary

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Paranoia and JPH
There were 92,455 rapes in 2006, 60% of them perpetrated by 12.5% of the population - blacks.

When a woman of any color walks to her car alone at night, is it prudent for her to be apprehensive of all men and blacks in particular?

Retired Greek
Are you familiar with the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act of 1996? There is no longer an open door to receiving government assistance. States were allowed to impose even more stringent regulations than those stated in PRWORA.

PRWORA proposed TANF as AFDC’s replacement. The Congressional findings in PRWORA highlighted dependency, out-of-wedlock birth, and intergenerational poverty as the main contributors to a faulty system.[9] In instituting a block grant program, PRWORA granted states the ability to design their own systems, as long as states met a basic set of federal requirements.

The bill's primary effects included:

Ending welfare as an entitlement program;
Requiring recipients to begin working after 2 consecutive years of receiving benefits;
Placing a lifetime limit of 5 years on benefits paid by federal funds;
Aiming to encourage two-parent families and discouraging out-of-wedlock births.

Retired Geek
I support some of his plan and have reservations about other aspects. I like his early childhood education part and his emphasis on preventing dropouts. The business of determining which teachers are succeeding and which are not is difficult.

I think most of the discussion of the shortcomings of students are uninformed. On the whole, most schools are doing a better job than many did fifty years ago. However, they are not doing as well as they should and must. However, I place a large portion of the blame on the fact that student do not read enough but instead spend too much time playing computer games and watching TV. Those require addressing more than what happen within classroom walls and must be addressed by teachers and parents. This is not to let schools and teachers off the hook, but they deserve some sympathy for what they are doing.

I think that schools are doing a better job than ever with the top 10-20% of students who do come to school prepared. We are not doing very well with the remainder, however.

JPH and moral equivalence
Merely having "associates" (maybe acquaintances) on the right with views that you believe are "reprehensible" is NOT the same as having friends who are unrepentant terrorists and having a black racist pastor as your MENTOR and semi-FATHER FIGURE.

What should I think if you tell me that David Duke has been your close friend, almost a member of your family as well as your mentor for the past 20 years? What should I think if you tell me you are on friendly terms with an abortion doctor killer who has hosted a party in your honor?

Does it make it better if you tell me that you are also friends with Teddy Kennedy and that several members of your family have had abortions?

Would we still be having this discussion?

King Liberal
The column is about liberalism.

King liberal
I do recall that Donald Rumsfeld was trying to fight against terrorism, even though his solutions were unsuccessful. At least he didn't go to dinner with them an seek their support for his political career, unlike BHO.

Obama on Crime
More than 80 percent of crack cocaine defendants in 2006 were African American

He will also repeal the mandatory minimum sentence for first-time offenders convicted of simple possession of crack

Barack Obama believes that it’s not enough to be “tough on crime” – we have to be tough and smart.

African Americans make up approximately 50 percent of the nation’s homicide victims.

Barack Obama will work to improve the quality of our nation’s public defenders by creating loan-forgiveness programs for law students who enter this field.
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Obama plans to ensure more crack addicts are on the street and wants to give criminals better lawyers.

Obama believes this is tough on crime.

MoniQue et al
Liberals are asking us to trust the judgment of a man who chose Mentor Wright.

mentor is defined as: a trusted counselor or guide.
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Obama then claims he didn't know what his 'trusted counselor and guide' taught.

Yet liberals want America to trust Obamas' judgment.



Retired Geek
You said:

"Conservatives are problem solvers.

Liberals are problem makers who never look at the 'collateral damage' of their solutions.

JPH if you were looking at the causation of most of the problems in America and speaking out on them - would you be called paranoid?"

Is you definition of problem solving to label anyone with whom you disagree as liberal, disloyal etc.? That is a lazy way to deal with those people and ideas with whom you disagree.

The people in this site seem to have a penchant for labeling people and thereby dismissing them. I don't consider that problem-solving.

You also said:
"There were 92,455 rapes in 2006, 60% of them perpetrated by 12.5% of the population - blacks.

When a woman of any color walks to her car alone at night, is it prudent for her to be apprehensive of all men and blacks in particular?"

How is this problem solving? It sound like an attempt to lay blame. What do you propose we should do about it?

JPH
re: "On the whole, most schools are doing a better job than many did fifty years ago."

Hate to get off topic, but what do you base this statement on?

Obama's Wrongs Morph to Rotten
Obama was wrong to associate with Rev. Wright. Obama was not only wrong to claim he was unaware of Rev. Wright's raving racism and hatred for America, it was ROTTEN of Obama to so lie and mislead.

Obama was wrong to associate with domestic terrorist, William Ayers. Obama is wrong to remain friendly with domestic and unrepentent terrorist, William Ayers. It is ROTTEN of Obama to claim he cannot be questioned on this relationship because Ayeres' murderous terrorist acts took place when Obama was 8 years old. The date of the terrorist activities of Ayers is not the relevant issue. The relevant issue what is the unaldulterated and truthful reason why Obama, TODAY, remains friendly with a radical, unrepentent terrorist who has nothing but contempt for the country that has given him so much? The truthful, unalduterated answer to this question will reveal Obama's wrongfulness or his rottenness.

Obama eliist, insulting and condescending comments about middle Americans clinging to religion, guns and anti- illegal immigration belioefs was downright ROTTEN.

Michelle Obama's comments that she had never been proud of this great country that has given her more than what 95% Americans enjoy until her husband began leading others to become its President is ROTTEN.

Michelle Obama's comment that America is a mean country is downright ROTTEN.

Enough giving the "wonder boy" a pass. The burden has shifted to him to prove that he is not ROTTEN. The above demonstrates that a presumption that Obama is a ROTTEN individual is established. No more politically correct heads in sand. Too much is at stake.

Retired Greek
Below are statistics that show blacks committed 32.5% of rapes for 2006 and whites 65.3%. Be sure to put your glasses on when you re-check your figures. Just a suggestion....

Total arrests Percent distribution1
Total White Black American Indian or Alaskan Native Asian or Pacific Islander Total White Black American Indian or Alaskan Native Asian or Pacific Islander

TOTAL 10,437,620 7,270,214 2,924,724 130,589 112,093 100.0 69.7 28.0 1.3 1.1

Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter 9,801 4,595 4,990 110 106 100.0 46.9 50.9 1.1 1.1

Forcible rape 17,042 11,122 5,536 195 189 100.0 65.3 32.5 1.1 1.1

Retired Geek
Lets do some problem solving.

Why after putting more people in jail and for longer sentences than any other country in the world do we haver a larger problem with drugs than most of those countries?

Also why longer sentences for crack cocaine than for upscale versions of the drug?

If we want to solve this problem, we have to ask why the current policy is not working and not just do more of what is not working.

Or do you have some evidence that the current policy is successful?



Don't Judge Obama
Obama and his apologists do not want us to judge his worthiness to be POTUS by:

Obama and mentors.

Obama and his associations.

Obama and radicals who support him.

Obama and his words "bitter people who cling to guns and religion" - "grandmother who is a typical white person".

Obama 'promised' he would mis-speak in the future.

Obama who thinks having children is a 'penalty'.

What exactly are we to judge his worthiness on?

Crime and statistics
Crime
Statistics from DOJ and Bureau of Justice.

Murder:
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From 1976 to 2005:
86% of white victims were killed by whites.
94% of black victims were killed by blacks.

All homicide Victims:
White 50.9%
Black 46.9%
Other 2.1%

Homicide Offenders:
White 45.8%
Black 52.2%
Other 2.0%

The 2005 Report Shows:
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While Blacks make up 12% of the US population, they commit approximately 50% of all rapes, attempted rapes, and sexual assaults in the United States.

Another category dominated by Blacks is “Robbery with Injury.” Blacks committed a full 66% of all robberies with an injury in cases where the race of the offender is known.
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Reply to Eagle
You wrote: "Obama was wrong to associate with Rev. Wright. Obama was not only wrong to claim he was unaware of Rev. Wright's raving racism and hatred for America, it was ROTTEN of Obama to so lie and mislead."

Will you specify which sermon that Rev. Wright explicitly stated that he hates whites or that blacks are superior to whites (btw, you may want to check out the definition for racism)? Also, specify which sermon did he state that he had hatred for America?


Word of The Day: Wow
FACT:
Reverend J. Wright has delivered sermons that are coated with racist remarks.


FACT:
Rev. Wright's church practices a theology which is Afro-Centric. Although it's roots, of more than 30 years, stem from a belief that western civilization has distorted the history of Christ, witnessed by effecting a European personage of Christ (The Michael Jackson effect of Christ). The vast majority of African Americans are drawn to a church (pastor), who's primary message feeds them spiritually, absent the historical premise upon which the church was founded, as Catholics do today.

Wright's church, if I may, and its members, should no more be painted with the broad brush of "Historical tenets equate to modern and widely accepted belief" as we would other churches.

Wright, specifically, the modern practice of his theology is no more Right than Falwell, Hagee and Robertson.... Yet, they will NEVER be considered Anti-American or Racist.



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Obama's Wrongs Morph to Rotten
Retired Geek:

Thank you for pointing out yet another ROTTEN thing Obama believes and has said -- that babies are "penalties."

According to my religion, faith, common sense beliefs and as a matter of pure biological science, babies are MIRACULOUS AND BEAUTIFUL GIFTS! Not penalties! What a ROTTEN thing to say that babies are 'penalties".

JPH on drugs
JPH wrote: "If we want to solve this problem, we have to ask why the current policy is not working and not just do more of what is not working."
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None of the candidates are addressing the crime issue in its entirety.

None of our previous presidents in my lifetime have addressed the crime issue in its entirety.

Fact: The upswing in crime can be traced to its roots "The War On Poverty".

Fact: The most crime in any city can be traced to government funded 'crime centers' - liberals call them housing projects.

Fact: The government has spent over 3 trillion dollars to destroy poverty.

Fact: Poverty does not cause crime - millions all over the world live in poverty and are not criminals.

Take a stroll through Camden NJ some weekend if you want a clinical view of crime.



Lion Heart
Reverend Wright has not explicitly stated that he Hated America. His sin was focusing on what America has done wrong... A definite "No No."

Had Rev Wright first addressed America's greatness and subsequently slid in a little blurb about "bombing and subsequently killing 100+ innocent men, women, and children (Hiroshima & Nagasaki)" then he would have been ok.... Lesson Learned... (Stroke, Kick, Stroke)

War is a necessary evil indeed and should be conducted with the Full Force of our Military, with great Precision & Accuracy)





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Lionheart's Head's in the Sand
Lionheart you are cerebrally gonzo and a hopeless demogogue if you are of the belief that Rev. Wright is anything but a raving racist and anti American. You go get the quotes ya lazy bum. And while you're at it substiute the word white everytime you see the word black and vice versa and ask yourself honestly whether you would not be appalled if a white preacher or politician had said those things.

Think before you write, dummy.

Never knew what they stood for
Come on Hugh can't we simply take the sainted BO at his word when he claims he never ever not once in his life knew that Ayers, Dohrn, or Wright were nothing but great American patriots?

If we can't accept that then we must believe that the racist Wright is no worse than BO's own grandma cracker or Geraldine Ferraro and Ayers and Dohrn are the moral equivalents of some US Sen who actually believes abortion is murder.

Bob
Just google "Nixon anti-semitism." You'll get all you can handle on the subject. Then remember that this is Hugh's former boss and his hero.

Personally, it doesn't change my opinion of Hewitt one bit. I thought he was a lying scumbag before I knew he had no problem with anti-semitism, and I still think he's a lying scumbag.

Phylo out.

Retired Greek
I know we are off the subject and I apologize to all but Retired Greek habitually brings up these stats almost in every thread daily.

"While Blacks make up 12% of the US population, they commit approximately 50% of all rapes, attempted rapes, and sexual assaults in the United States."

My previous post shows that whites commit 60% of forcible rapes while blacks commit 30%. Why do you persist in making this allegation?


"Another category dominated by Blacks is “Robbery with Injury.” Blacks committed a full 66% of all robberies with an injury in cases where the race of the offender is known."

This category increased with the introducation of cocaine to the black community. You can call it a conspiracy if you wish but Reagan and North through the CIA were instrumental in cocaine being supplied to South Central Los Angeles which fueled the crack cocaine epidemic. If you look at the stats, you will see a significant rise in crime in the 80's through the 90's that can be directly linked to this drug. Its a personal decision to sell and use drugs so this statement is not an excuse but a statement of fact.

whatilearnedthisweek
whatilearnedthisweek writes: "Wright, specifically, the modern practice of his theology is no more Right than Falwell, Hagee and Robertson.... Yet, they will NEVER be considered Anti-American or Racist."
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Here is something you not only learn this week but 'right now'.

Pointing to other bad behavior doesn't excuse bad behavior.

Racism is wrong for Liberals to practice.

There is no legal justification for racism to be morally right.



for Phylo
Phylo writes: "It's interesting that Hewitt doesn't post any of the views of Ayers from the audio tape he mentions. I'm guessing they couldn't have said anything too bad if Hewitt doesn't even want to repeat them here."

Ayers has a WEB SITE. Here's what it says:

"Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism, capitalism and imperialism must be defeated and a world revolution—a revolution against war and racism and materialism, a revolution based on human solidarity and love, cooperation and the common good—must win."

http://tinyurl.com/5ugedz

Ayers has a lot more stuff just like that on his website. Go read it. He doesn't make a secret of his views.


Eagle
You can rant and rave all you want but you have not and cannot point to any particular sermon where Wright stated that he hated whites or hated America. You heard what you wanted to hear and placed assumptions wherever you deemed necessary. If you have facts to prove your point, I'll buy it. Otherwise...whose the dummy?

for King Liberal
King Liberal writes: "Donald Rumsfeld sure was a problem solver-he sure solved Iraq didn't he?"

Who cares anymore? Is Rumsfeld in the McCain campaign? Is Rumsfeld McCain's running mate?

Get this straight: MCCAIN IS NOT BUSH. He has frequently disagreed with Bush. He does not have a running mate from the Bush Administration.

McCain is his own man and that's how he's going to campaign.

LionHeart and crime
Go to the DOJ and Bureau of Justice - that is where I get the statistics - if you don't like them, tell them not me.

You are trying to mitigate and justify facts.

Let me give you a lesson in logic.

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If it is raining outside - that fact is neither negative or positive.

If one is planning a picnic that fact has a negative bias.

If ones garden needs water that fact has a positive bias.

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Americans need a diologue not a blame 'whitey' or blame 'blacks' on how to reduce crime.

Recidivism is a major cause of crime.

Placing 'thugs' in jail is not going to cause more crime on society.

Obama wanting 'crack heads' to go free will cause crime.

You just don't get it do you?

guilt by association
mccain asked for the endorsement by hagee and embraced again last week on meet the press



Hagee on African-Americans
The San Antonio Express-News reported that Hagee was going to "meet with black religious leaders privately at an unspecified future date to discuss comments he made in his newsletter about a 'slave sale,' an East Side minister said Wednesday." The Express-News reported:

"Hagee, pastor of the 16,000-member Cornerstone Church, last week had announced a 'slave sale' to raise funds for high school seniors in his church bulletin, 'The Cluster.'

"The item was introduced with the sentence 'Slavery in America is returning to Cornerstone" and ended with "Make plans to come and go home with a slave." [San Antonio Express-News 3/7/96]

Hagee on Catholicism
"Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews." [Jerusalem Countdown by John Hagee]

Hagee on Women
"Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick. Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist." [God's Profits: Faith, Fraud and the Republican Crusade for Values Voters, Sarah Posner]

for Phylo
Phylo writes: "It's interesting that Hewitt doesn't post any of the views of Ayers from the audio tape he mentions. I'm guessing they couldn't have said anything too bad if Hewitt doesn't even want to repeat them here."

He hasn't had time to write full transcripts.

here are the actual MP3 audios. Judge them for yourself:

http://tinyurl.com/5y7ssb


LionHeart
"You can rant and rave all you want but you have not and cannot point to any particular sermon where Wright stated that he hated whites or hated America."

"God d-mn America" sounded pretty hateful to me.

Eagle
Obama thinks that letting 'botched' abortions die of starvation is compassoniate.

Icedog
That was a judgment based on personal experience. It is probably open to debate.

Schools today are trying to deal with a society that is considerably different where we have much higher expectations and in that context doing better than we sometimes credit them although sometimes not very well. For example, far more student are going on and completing college than fifty years ago.

My suspicion is that those who went to excellent schools fifty wears ago are comparing their experience with schools that are not doing so well today. I know that my daughter, who was an excellent student a few years ago, received a much better education than I did. From my considerable contacts with the good students today, they are getting a better education than ever.

I went to two different high schools both of which were pretty bad. They did not do well with the average and below average student. Schools then were able to pass non-performers off without much notice. They did not provide education for the handicapped. Fewer students actually began high school. Those individuals who a couple generations ago never went on to high school now become drop-outs.


That said, schools today need to do much better. Many of the graduates do not read well, write even more poorly, and lack the quantitative skills and scientific knowledge necessary for today's world. However, some of the responsibility for changing that lies outside the classroom. We expect schools to correct all of our social problem and they cannot do it.


Steve L
Those comments by Ayers sound like something Jesus might say. You got a problem with that?

Are You *Sure* About That??
Hugh Hewitt:
"Some of my best friends are liberals, none of them are terrorists"

Hugh, are you friends with Ollie North?

retired geek
your statistics on rape don't match what i found,
explain the discrepancy.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_43.html

Phylo
writes, "Those comments by Ayers sound like something Jesus might say. You got a problem with that?"

Don't be an idiot. Oh yeah, I forgot Jesus must have worked on his bomb making skills in the Nazareth carpentry shop too. Trying to connect Ayers to Jesus is quite a stretch. You sounded much more intelligent before that line.

Right wingers are stupid
For the first time, I decided to do some research on Bill Ayers. I had heard from Sean Hannity that the NYTimes reported that Bill Ayers never regretted setting bombs. I thought that seemed a bit extreme too.

But then I read this response of Bill Ayers to the piece that was published on 9/11. (Note, Ayers gave the interview BEFORE the events of 9/11 happened. Hannity loves to say that his comments were published on 9/11 because he knows that people will assume he made the comments after seeing the towers fall, which would have been insensitive to say the least. That's an important distinction to make.)

Here's Bill Ayers response:

To The Editors—

In July of this year Dinitia Smith asked my publisher if she might
interview me for the New York Times on my forthcoming book, Fugitive
Days. From the start she questioned me sharply about bombings, and
each time I referred her to my memoir where I discussed the culture of
violence we all live with in America, my growing anger in the 1960’s
about the structures of racism and the escalating war, and the
complex, sometimes extreme and despairing choices I made in those
terrible times.
Smith’s angle is captured in the Times headline: “No regrets for a
love of explosives” (September 11, 2001). She and I spoke a lot about
regrets, about loss, about attempts to account for one’s life. I
never said I had any love for explosives, and anyone who knows me
found that headline sensationalistic nonsense. I said I had a
thousand regrets, but no regrets for opposing the war with every ounce
of my strength.


I'm sure that won't satisfy Hannity fans, but it's amazing how the right wing spin monkeys trash the NYTimes constantly, unless they can use a particularly sensational piece to destroy a political enemy. Then the NYTimes is perfectly credible. Unbelievable.

How can you people respect gas bags like Hannity and Hewitt and Limbaugh? Seriously?

Phylo out.

Ken
Did you listen to the whole sermon or just the snippets played over and over. The intent of the sermon was to recognize injustices conducted by America's politics and to recognize that God did not condone the occurances. "Damn" was used in a biblical context and not the curse word as we know it. Albeit, the verbage may not have been all that appropriate but there was truth in what he was saying. I dare to say what you were thinking when you first heard the snippet but I am sure your thoughts had something to do with an angry black man criticizing and cursing America so he must hate this country and all white folks with every fiber in his body. After the smoke cleared, did you ever think if Wright and his church are so racist and hate America so badly, why are white members associated with it still? Why do white clergy such as the president of UCC and the Clinton's previous minister defend Wright rather than ostracize him as a hate-monger who spews hatred toward America and whites? The reason is simple and plain but I won't delve into it too deeply because this thread is not particularly about Wright but I hope you get my point.

Flaming low on fuel
are you that afraid of Ollie?


Liberal policy... defined.

JPH, on his 12:51 PM post wrote,

"If we want to solve this problem, we have to ask why the current policy is not working and just do more of what is not working".

Historically... this has precicely been the modus operandi (MO) of leftists for just about all of their policies in America. If it doesn't work... it's just because we didn't try hard enough.

But to do something that may even remotely resemble a conservative solution???

Fat chance.

And tragically... their choices affect real people and have real consequences. And their decisions cause real people to suffer real pain.

That is why I generally will not debate a leftist...

...but try to do everything that I can to DEFEAT THEM at the polls.

...and try to support any organization that will tell the truth about the negative consequences of their activities.


Some of my best friends are liberal
Congratulations to President Barack Hussein Obama. He has let the world know what his intentions and his feelings are without plagurising from a book called "My Struggle". He was raised in a religion (Islam) that if it were rewritten today replacing the words "Jews, Infidels and Women" in their Holy Q'uaran with "Blacks and Hispanics" the "Cult" would be labeled as a Hate Group by the Federal Government and be ripped apart by local, state and Janet Reno-like federal authorities. Barack Hussein Obama then must have researched all the Christian Churches to find one aligned with the Islamic view of the United States. This must have happened while he was not proud of the United States. But then... enlightenment. He would get himself elected locally and then as President and CHANGE the United States to his liking. American people are as STUPID as the German people that elected, yes I said elected Adolf Hitler. Adolf Hitler was sworn in as Chancellor of Germany in 1933. A full two years before he declared himself dictator. This is the same sort of evil the United States faces today. Yet the Ritalin induced college-boys of the United States can't see that the persona they support and would help elect, despises their very existence as well as their Christian beliefs and the 2nd Ammendment of their Bill of Rights. Stop taking the pills! Oh and NONE of my best friends are liberals

pr
I was ONLY talking about his comments, idiot.

Phylo
you respect Ayers...how nice.

we respect Hannity & Hewitt since they've renounced their bomb making and anti-American diatribe too. You must have evidence of such to hate them so much...could it be possible that they've always been patriots and that is why they are esteemed?

Thanks for the Clarification
Phylo Se Fiser et al


I discovered the blurred distinction made by Hannity and found it to be quite inline with his approach to Christian Nationalism (God-and-Country Are One). While it is informative, it doesn't address the underlying issue of "Association".


Retired Geek

There is certainly no arguing the facts regarding Crime. What is perhaps questionable is the constant use of this information without a clear statement of intent...

What is your point Sir?




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Phylo
Sorry to offend you but there is always context attached to comments (see the arguments about Wrights comments in this thread).

Also, I didn't call you an idiot...just said, don't be one. Comparing Ayers to Jesus in any way, shape or form won't work.

But if you want to stay on this...I'll be an idiot for Jesus and you can be one for Ayers.


Art. Let Me Guess....
Christian... Right?

Fear. Fear. Fear.






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Art
BHO is not the anti-Christ. And, arguing such wouldn't matter even if he was.


LionHeart
"I dare to say what you were thinking when you first heard the snippet but I am sure your thoughts had something to do with an angry black man criticizing and cursing America so he must hate this country and all white folks with every fiber in his body."

How do you know what I was thinking? Are you psychic? Actually, when I first heard Wright, I thought he was a raving lunatic. He has done nothing to change my opinion.

"After the smoke cleared, did you ever think if Wright and his church are so racist and hate America so badly, why are white members associated with it still?"

Because they're a bunch of liberals who always make excuses for black racists.

"Why do white clergy such as the president of UCC and the Clinton's previous minister defend Wright rather than ostracize him as a hate-monger who spews hatred toward America and whites?"

By the "Clinton's previous minister", do you mean Feckless Philip Wogaman? Because he has no backbone, that's why. The same goes for the UCC. Don't ask me to try and figure why they do what they do. I gave up trying to understand liberals years ago.

The scariest associate
Zbigniew Brzezinski is one of Obama's top foreign policy advisors. That's right. Zbigniew Brzezinski of the Carter Administration, who gave Iran to the Ayatollah and Afghanistan to the Soviets.

This guy's record is a total disaster, and couldn't have done more damage to the world's geopolitical scene if he tried. I mean having racists and terrorists for friends is one thing, but Zbigniew Brzezinski? He should apologize to the nation just for making us have to try to pronounce his name!

pr
Is patriotism all you respect? So much so that lying regularly has no bearing on your opinion of a person?

Patriotism, last refuge of the scoundrel.

Phylo out.



Patterns of behavior mean something
One association in itself may not mean anything ,but if we take Obama's own words from his book that while in high school and college he was attracted to radicals and fringe people and add that to associations with Rev Wright, Bill Ayers, Farrakahn etc then we need to ask serious questions. These associations can not be blow off. Obama followers and the MSM may attempt to minimize these associations, but the American voters have common sense. Obama has not responded well to questions which makes voters more uncomfortable.

whatilearnedthisweek
Chritian...Right? No actually I am a Conservative that defends all Infidels from Hate mongoring Islamists as well as liberal provocateurs. Now please let me guess...liberal anti-American/western civilization/white/big business/free speech/Judaic and Christian ideology/history/English language/borders. The sixties are dead, and so is Barack Hussein Obamas idea of CHANGE.

WILTW
many Christians are making that argument you speak of against BHO and you are probably right that it is made out of fear. They do need to cool it a bit. We all survived BC's 8 years and could probably survive 8 years of BHO...not that I want to though.

Art is making BHO candidacy sound like an end times argument with BHO taking the lead, so I agree with your musing, but Christians should be more concerned with our own personal lives. Revival and Judgment begins in the same place...the human heart. Where in the world is Christianity growing the fastest today? Can anyone say CHINA...and it's not because of the leadership of that country...revival and judgment begins in the heart of individuals.

Sin brings judgment...humility before God brings revival. "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble."

WILTW...non-Christian, right?

Retired Greek....
Said: “Liberals are problem makers who never look at the 'collateral damage' of their solutions.”

I have gotten many things off TH and that is a Liberal “NEVER” thinks he is the problem one bit. That the only one a Liberal must answer to is: a wife if he has one and his children if he has any. They do not even answer to some sort of God, a God of any sort, well there is one thing. The last two are even more bizarre, they must maintain full control of any situation, because they are NEVER WRONG. NEVER! Finely, from this forum TH, I have come to learn that both Liberal and Jew are now one and the same and neither has any desire for world conquest. This is what I have come to learn from Town Hall and all the “STUFF” that has been written that I have had the pleasure to read.

A big group of the small business that I know are Liberals, and would steal from their own mother to get money, as money “IS” all that they worship. So please tell me something good a Liberal / Jew has done to help make all our life’s in America / World better other then taking, cause all I see is Liberals / Jews taking all they can get and bringing this country down faster and faster. Remember the Liberal / Jew has no world conquest / rule in mind just ripping apart the U.S. Constitution will do.

This is what I learned from the TOWN HALL! Have I gotten the wrong impression?


Phylo
writes, "Is patriotism all you respect? So much so that lying regularly has no bearing on your opinion of a person?

Patriotism, last refuge of the scoundrel."

No, there are many other things admirable about Hannity and Hewitt.

Don't sell partriotism down the river my friend. Those who love their country live much happier lives. Surely you have love for your country in your heart.

If not, for your sake maybe BHO will win. Life is too short not to be happy.

pr re: "BHO is not the anti-Christ"
Hitler wasn't the anti-Christ either. He was just a poor choice in 1933 as Barack Hussein Obama would be in 2008.

p.r.
I really like you point about Christianity beginning in the human heart, and the importance of humility.

As to surviving an Obama presidency, the seeds of the current War on Terror were sown in the Carter Administration. Yes, we survived Carter, but the ling-term repercussions have been disastrous.

Art
agreed

The issue is currency!
Ayers and his wife hold certain views that are not substantially changed from what they were 30 or so years ago when those views resulted in bombs being placed, police officers being shot, etc. So, they claim they still hate America, but they wouldn't use that hatred to perpetrate violence against Americans today. But how do we really know that? We know their past and we know their views haven't really changed, but maybe they've just learned new ways to "fight" the system they hate. Instead of planting the bombs themselves these days, do they perhaps fund Al Queda or Hamas? That's still terrorism and the American people should be concerned if a presidential candidate is spending quality times with terrorists. If they were FORMER terrorists that would be one thing, but they clearly still hold the same views they held when they were active terrorists, so where is the proof that they are not still covert terrorists? These are the questions a presidential candidate ought to be asking of his friends rather than defending his friendship with them.

Obama MUST RESIGN FROM the RACE !
to JPH :

he writes -- "Obama had SOME contact with SOME
people who he has said he disagrees with."
*******

It is wrong . He knew these people for years.
Rev. Wright was his FRIEND, ADVISOR and pastor
FOR 20 YEARS ! He knew that it was a special
circle . Obviously he liked to be with them .
It is not a " sometimes association ".
It is: "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree".

A Pastor is a Teacher. What does Obama learn
from his friend for 20 years ? Now we know .
He learned how to be anti-American . We see
what Obama appreciates -- an extremism.

Obama and his wife both have a great education,
money, a rich house, a good daily work . BUT...
But they still not happy people . They are " not
proud " to live in our country .
Why are radicals attracted to Obama? -- this is
the answer .

He is unsuitable for the current race .
I don't see any connection with a loyalty .

HE MUST RESIGN FROM the RACE .
He is not going to change . ..He lacks the
judgement ... It will be worse ...

HE MUST RESIGN !



cleverness of me
Yes, i agree...policies have consequences that have long lives. And, in reference to Carter...isn't he our special envoy to the middle east now?...technically, surviving Carter is still up in the air.

I'm pulling the R lever in November.

whatilearnedthisweek
My point is that liberals want to talk about the 'real issues' and crime is a real issue that NONE of the candidates are talking about.

get it?

religiouslib
First, I want to congratulate for posting something that did not justify bad behavior by pointing at other bad behavior.

Second, I want to congratulate you for being concerned about crime.

Third, you are correct about the 2006 statistics and I was wrong. My database is from 1960 - 2005.

Fourth, see how easy it is for a conservative to admit when they are wrong.

Would at least some of you liberals admit when you are wrong?

impeachbush
here's a conspiracy for you...invest in TUMS...all those shirts you will have to eat will really cause some heartburn.


impeachbush
impeachbush I hate to be the first to inform you that Bush is not running in this election.

There are other windmills you can attack - happy hunting.

"one" Anti-christ not appear on bible
Folks,

The term "anti-christ" in regards to that one man who is to come, is never stated as such in the bible. Jesus did speak of a specific "man of perdition" that is prophecized to come. But no where in the bible is this "man of perdition" called THE ANTICHRIST.

However, the bible DOES speak of the spirit of anti-christ and speaks of "many anti-christs," those who who will come and SAY they are the Christ, the JEWISH MESSIAH, but who are in fact, NOT.

However, in 2008 we refer to "thee anti-christ" and we are referring to the single "man of perdition" that Jesus spoke of.

Fair enough in 2008-speak.

But to say that Hitler was not AN anti-christ is absurd, he WAS. And to refer to Obama as AN anti-christ, is fair. We've got an arrogant peacock who encourages people to worship him and obviously enjoys this, embracing the title of "messiah," "savior," in a political sense.

So the question really is if Obama is that man of perdition Jesus, a Jew, spoke of. It is highly debatable, yet no one knows the answer to that at this state in time, but there is no question as to whether or not Obama is AN anti-christ.

Biblically speaking, anti-christ is defined as "instead of Christ."

Anyone who comes in his own name to be worshipped and adored in such a manner like Obama is truly AN ANTICHRIST. And as Jesus said, there will be MANY.

To All Liberals
Please explain why Obama and his associations SHOULD NOT be held against him?

Please explain why white people and their associations SHOULD BE held against them?

Immigrants since 1900
Millions of white immigrants did not know when they fled oppression to come to America that they would again be oppressed by blacks and white liberals.

impeachbush
"How about Obama resign from the race after the pathological liars, George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney, resign from the White House?"

Yeah, and let's put someone honest and upstanding in the White House - like Hillary Clinton.

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

Retired Geek -- Obama's worthiness

You're _that close_, with a question that contains its own answer. Which, of course, is that Obama and his apologists do not want us to judge him at all. Ever.

Like good little lambs, untainted by the ability to discriminate -- that is, to analyze things and discern their relative value -- we're to take them all at their honeyed words. Later, after the echoes of Hussein's rhetoric have faded and he's given his first state dinner for Ahmadinejad, we'll have lots of time to ask ourselves WTF we were thinking.

Ken
"How do you know what I was thinking? Are you psychic? Actually, when I first heard Wright, I thought he was a raving lunatic."

Remember, I included "dare to say" as to mean that I could not know what you actually thought because as you said, I can't read minds. It appears that you thought differently than what I had surmised so all I can say is, "My Bad"!!!!

"Because they're a bunch of liberals who always make excuses for black racists."

"By the "Clinton's previous minister", do you mean Feckless Philip Wogaman? Because he has no backbone, that's why. The same goes for the UCC. Don't ask me to try and figure why they do what they do. I gave up trying to understand liberals years ago."

I assume from both your above responses that you lumped all liberal whites into one bag and believe that ultra-conservatives are the only whites who have the intelligence to think as you?

No Mention of McCain
It's looking better and better for McCain everyday. The libs on the thread cannot defend BHO and to counter they criticize who...McCain? No...he isn't even mentioned here. They are still stuck on Bush who apparently isn't running for a third term...I don't get it.

impeachbush
Bush is not a terrorist. And please do not eat your shirt unless you have good health insurance (remember we do not have the Hillary plan in place yet). The reason we get the Presidents that we elect is because we always choose to drive through the shallowest of two Chicago-style pot-holes (I said pot-holes). I am not afraid of Obamas ideology...I am afraid of the idea that my fellow Americans that support him are too ignorant or messed-up to see this person for who and what he really is. He will go along with anything or anyone as long as he gets elected for another term. Islam, racism, open communication with sworn enemies of the United States (Ayers, Ahmadinijad, Chavez etc....). Why is he so popular? He did NOTHING for Chicago or Illinois. He held the same seat in the Illinois Senate once held by the Late Great Senator Richard Newhouse that was on the beach at Noromandy on D-Day. I would support Richard Newhouse for President because I knew him and worked for him when he was fighting gerimandering maps in Illinois based on racial content. We won the case. Even though he was considered a liberal and I was considered a conservative. Like we did then, the new generation has to come together and decide what is best for the future of a United States instead of how old is he, or what race is he, or how cute is he. Lets face it. The only platform that Barack Hussein Obama CAN run on is that in the past offices that he was elected to, he accomplished NOTHING. So if you feel that the US needs to recede and no action needs to be taken over the next four years, Vote for Barack Hussein Obama. If you feel that we have to keep fighting against threats similar to 9/11/01 then vote for the shallowest of two pot-holes. Vote for McCain (a threat to free speech as well as a different way of defeating terrorism).

impeachbush
Bush is not a terrorist. And please do not eat your shirt unless you have good health insurance (remember we do not have the Hillary plan in place yet). The reason we get the Presidents that we elect is because we always choose to drive through the shallowest of two Chicago-style pot-holes (I said pot-holes). I am not afraid of Obamas ideology...I am afraid of the idea that my fellow Americans that support him are too ignorant or messed-up to see this person for who and what he really is. He will go along with anything or anyone as long as he gets elected for another term. Islam, racism, open communication with sworn enemies of the United States (Ayers, Ahmadinijad, Chavez etc....). Why is he so popular? He did NOTHING for Chicago or Illinois. He held the same seat in the Illinois Senate once held by the Late Great Senator Richard Newhouse that was on the beach at Noromandy on D-Day. I would support Richard Newhouse for President because I knew him and worked for him when he was fighting gerimandering maps in Illinois based on racial content. We won the case. Even though he was considered a liberal and I was considered a conservative. Like we did then, the new generation has to come together and decide what is best for the future of a United States instead of how old is he, or what race is he, or how cute is he. Lets face it. The only platform that Barack Hussein Obama CAN run on is that in the past offices that he was elected to, he accomplished NOTHING. So if you feel that the US needs to recede and no action needs to be taken over the next four years, Vote for Barack Hussein Obama. If you feel that we have to keep fighting against threats similar to 9/11/01 then vote for the shallowest of two pot-holes. Vote for McCain (a threat to free speech as well as a different way of defeating terrorism).

Judgment about people
Elkiejg writes: Thursday, April, 24, 2008 5:39 AM
Bad judgment - his big fault
"But of even more concern than his ideas is the fact that his judgment about people and ideas is terribly flawed."

You state that Obama has bad judgment of people, however I want to know how much worse could his judgment be than what we have had for the past 7 plus years. You know "you'r doing a heck of a job Brownie"; "you go to war with the army you have not the army you wish you had" Rumsfeld; "I don't recall that" Gonzellas; "So?" Cheney. Do I need to go on? The point is that the Republican supporters have no room to talk about judgment about people when they have supported George W. Bush for the past almost eight years. Oh - and "I looked into his eyes and saw his soul" Bush of Putin.

OK, Lionheart
Lionheart:

I point to the following of the "Reverend" Wright's anti-Americanism and racism (not to metion paranoia, utter lunacy and troubled and imbalanced psychosis):

(1) The United States Government started the AIDS virus and purposely spead it among blacks with the intent of genocide;

(2) Not God Bless America . . . No, no, no. God Damn America."

(3) America is a country of for and by rich white people.

I don't really need to go on. You know it, everybody on this discussion board knows it, and the poor idiot Reverend Wright knows it. His flock however, which includes the equally morally bankrupt, self absorbed, elitist snake oil salesman, Barak Hussein Obama who has successfully duped you and many poor idiots as yourself, Lionheart, into believing only what you want to believe.

Open you eyes and open your mind and at least try to think for yourself, for God's sake. For you to believe Reverend Wright is anything short of a raving lunatic racist, I must excuse your disability in addiction to snake oil mixed with kool aid, ya freakin nut!

Compare. Compare. Compare
Eagle & Impeachbush


The comparison between the siting President and Sen Obama is tripe!

Eagle... Please continue to provide clear, accurate and factual information about your candidate. Far too many Conservatives will continue to create a culture of fear from indifference. While Obama has exercised bad judgement regarding Wright, he is far from deserving the slander and fear driven by those who again... Profess a Love for Country yet Express Hatred for so many Americans, all in the name of God.




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Penalties for Babies
Eagle writes: Thursday, April, 24, 2008 1:07 PM
Obama's Wrongs Morph to Rotten
Retired Geek:

Thank you for pointing out yet another ROTTEN thing Obama believes and has said -- that babies are "penalties."

Actually, Obama never said that babies were penalties; rather he said one was penalizing a young girl for having a baby if she were raped or if there was incest if abortions were prohibited. You need to have better listening skills, or stop taking words out of context. Typical rhetoric from the right.

Impeachbush, You poor thing
Impeachbush:

Your post is not a thing of reason.

Rather, it is a reflection of your emotional imbalance which has affected your ability to reason . . . indeed, has negated all reason you may have once had.

Such blabbering, I must commend, however, for it serves to convice and persuade nobody to accept your warped understanding of reality and does wonders to cement the ineffectiveness and lack of seriousness of today's liberalism.

I do wish to thank you and those of your adolescently liberal ilk for such expressions of reasonless ignorance and gibberish. For such thoughtless, lemming-like, adolescent rants espoused by your like serve quite effectively to convince and persuade those on the political fence and/or growing out their adolescent hatred for morality, truth, real equality, religion, faith and the principles upon which this Judeo-Christian Republic was founded to adopt and internalize for life the conservartive views to which I and literally most of the Nation (see the history of the U.S. Presidencies for the last 50 years) subscribe.

Once again, thank you vey much, impeachbush, for illustrating why liberal loons like yourself can and will never be taken seriously in the marketplace of ideas as you have none -- but only an ability to follow like a well trained lemming.

You do more for conservatism than I alone could ever hope to achieve. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart.

Good luck.

Not questioning
Mr. Hewitt writes that he does not question Mr. Obama's "patriotism." Of course he doesn't, for how can one question that which does not exist?

LionHeart
"I assume from both your above responses that you lumped all liberal whites into one bag and believe that ultra-conservatives are the only whites who have the intelligence to think as you?"

No, but if you defend a nutcase like Jeremiah Wright, I have serious doubts about your intelligence.

impeachbush
Go take your meds.

Just A Question Eagle
Eagle

"growing out their adolescent hatred for morality, truth, real equality, religion, faith and the principles upon which this Judeo-Christian Republic was founded to adopt and internalize for life the conservartive views to which I and literally most of the Nation (see the history of the U.S. Presidencies for the last 50 years) subscribe."

Please note, with specific detail, the Tenets of Conservatism and how that consistently translates into policy.... A Serious Inquiry.



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Clarify Question & I'll Answer
whatilearnedthisweek:

I honestly do not understand your question. Clarify and I will happily and honestly try to oblige. But I simply do not understand your question.

Even Better, impeachbushman! Thanks
Thatta boy, impeachbushboy.

Like Reverend Wright, everytime you open your trap, you do wonders for the repbulican party and conservatism in general and do a great disservice to B. Hussein Obama and liberalism in general.

Together, you just might get McCain elected! Thanks again!

whatilearnedthisweek chickened out
whatilearnedthisweek:

M' man, I really was hoping to answer your question but you have failed my earlier request to you to clarify it. And alas, I must depart for dinner.

Honestly, I do not believe even you yourself knew what you were asking -- hence, your failure to clarify.

Apparently, you have not learned much in this life, much less this week, . . . dude.

Eagle
"1) The United States Government started the AIDS virus and purposely spead it among blacks with the intent of genocide;"

If you want to state that this is an irrational statement, I will agree with you. But I don't see where he says he hates whites or America as you said.

"(2) Not God Bless America . . . No, no, no. God Damn America."

Beforehand, I mentioned that the verbiage used by Wright was not appropriate for the pulpit but the message he was preaching about was somewhat true. The man is frustrated with government policies (probably local and national). In the full context of this sermon, he was not saying GD America because of hatred for his country, he was critizing America for deeds he saw as ungodly. He still did not say he hated whites or hated America. Again, you hear what you want to hear. I have a different perspective.

"(3) America is a country of for and by rich white people."

First of all, did he say that he hates white people in this statement? Secondly,is this suppose to be your proof that Wright is a hate-mongering racist? Would you not agree that rich whites constitute less than 15% of the country (earn $250K or more)? If so, it appears to be quite a few whites left off the chart on this one. Still waiting on the "I hate whites" statement.

You could call Wright eccentric or you could call him a liberal (which is second to death on TH) but you still have not produced one statement where he said he hates whites and he hates this country.

Again, whose the freakin' nut here.....

Lionheart, Impeachman & WhatIlearned
Guys:

I really have to get home for din din.

But Lionheart, with regard to Wright's racism and hatred for America, if you do not see the forst through the trees, that's your problem -- a self-inflicted and consensual one.

Impeachbushman -- then vote for McCain this time around and detach from the kool-aid guzzerlers.

whatilearned this week -- you're a sissy.

Ken
"No, but if you defend a nutcase like Jeremiah Wright, I have serious doubts about your intelligence."

What you don't understand is that I disagree with you conservatives calling him a hate-mongering racist and hating America with no basis using his criticism of America and a statment regarding rich whites to fuel your nonsensical B/S. I don't agree with everything Wright said just as I am sure you don't agree with everything your pastor (if you belong to a church)says. The caricature conservatives painted of Wright was uncalled for and is a vile attempt to derail Obama's quest for the whitehouse.

For your information, I will vote for the candidate with the best policitical platform designed to get this country out of the situation it is in right now. Specifically, issues such as Iraq, Afghanistan, the economy, and escalating medical costs are much more pertinent to me than the allegations related to previous associations that you guys seem to be enthralled with.

With that, I'm out and you be blessed!!


Eagle
You are an American Patriot!

Impeachbush
Thanks for the info. Will check it out for sure.

Sunny
Are you saying that if someone else behaves badly that justifies Obama and his loony solutions?

Cone and Wright
James Cone wrote that the United States was a white racist nation and the white church was the Antichrist for having supported slavery and segregation.

Today, Cone, a professor at Union Theological Seminary in New York, stands by that view, but also makes clear that he doesn't believe that whites individually are the Antichrist.

In an interview, Cone said that when he was asked which church most embodied his message, "I would point to that church (Trinity) first."

Cone also said he thought that Wright's successor, the Rev. Otis Moss III, would continue the tradition.

Obama and surrender
"Why can't the American people give surrender to our enemies a chance." Obama

Even more!!!
According to Neal Boortz, and Obama fundraiser is one Hetem El Hady, chairman of and Ohio based Islamic "charity" called Kindhearts. This "charity was closed in 2006 for terrorist fundraising.
El Hady even has his own dedicated page on Obama's website. On this webpage you will see this terrorist's chronicling his fundraising for Barak Obama. El Hady and Michelle Obama are listed as friends on this site.
Kindhearts is an off shoot to the Holy Land Foundation, which is on trial for attempting to mask support fo terrorism as "charitable giving". Kindhearts not only provided funds for Hamas, but its fundraising specialist named Muhammed El Mazain-- was the designated bag man for Hamas in the United States. And two months before the government shut down Kindhearts, it was revealed that the south Asis division had ties to Al Qaeda recruitment center.
Beyond El Hady's leadership i Kindhearts, last summer he was questioned by the FBI because they believed he knew about possible cospirators in a U.K. based terror plot.
----------
Obama wasn't 8 years old when this went on.
I ask, for someone so beloved by our enemies, can he be trusted as OUR President??

Rosie Odonnell
Impeachbush aka It's too late to ImpeachBush soon to be ImpeachMcCain your wack conspiracy theories are placing you in the same category as Rosie Odonnell. You and your liberal friends have let your hatred for the Bush administration cloud any rational thoughts you may of had.
Obama has described himself as a black candidate and his support dropped after we found out who he hung out with.

Obama's race
I'm a little confused on referring to Obama as "black" when he's only 50% black. If he his blood was only 49% black, would he now be "white"?

But if he would then still be referred to as "black", is there some threshold of race heritage where he stops being "black" and starts being "white"? I'm maybe 1/16th American Indian. For convenience, I think of myself as "white", not 1/16th Indian (which is actually Mongolian).

The point is, Barack's autobiographical attempt to identify himself as "African-American" is weird since, unlike most American "African-Americans" who have an ancestral history of slavery with some white genetic material forceably mixed into their histories, his genetics makes him exactly 50% African and 50% American with no history of American slavery.

He is trying to connect his facial features with an American history of racialism that he has never had to experience, face personally or claim as his heritage.

This is a guy desperately searching for a chip to put on his shoulder. He'll willingly don the racial hairshirt to claim victimhood as a basis for his political ambitions. Most Americans want to transcend race, and believe they are making progress. He ain't the one to bring us to the Promised Land of racial harmony, assuming we even need him.

(Speaking of transcending race, how about that Cablauasian Tiger Woods? Now there's a class act!)

Obama
Obama doesn't like America, and he is not loyal to America.

He would like to remake our country in his Marxist, globalist image.

ratings
hugh,
In los angeles EVERY spanish language radio station on your time slot get bigger audience shares than your program.

adios,
Harvey
Lancaster, Mexifornia
dial 1 for english

some times flags are meaningless
i saw a barak speaking event and there were numerous flags in the background.
it is like the german prince that had to become catholic to rule as holy roman emperor, a little act he noted.

after the 9-11 terrorist attacks, almost every house on my street were flying flags. the next memorial day, there were only 3 of us that were flying the u.s. flag. if you don't fly the flag for the memorial day holiday to honor those that died in the service of their country, when do you fly it. i was born in austria and flew the flag that day. my neighbor is hungarian born american and flew the flag. my other neighbor is an american born ww2 vet living next door. i put his flag up for him when he asked.

adios,
Harvey
Lancaster, Taxifornia
dial 1 for english
PhuBai 1969-70 31m

You got me!!!!
I don't know where it went. Like I said, I was quoting Neal Boortz. I know if he said it, it WAS there. But once Boortz got on to them, it may have been taken down, like other things, like when the endorsement from Louie Faracan (sp)That was also up on his website, but was taken down.
And by the way, I didn't lie.. You guys never get the lie thing down properly. Would I be as stupid as to tell you where it was, if it wasn't?? If I was a liar, I would know I would get caught. I'm not as stupid as a liberal.Like if YOU quoted somebody, I would never show my ignorance by calling YOu a liar!!

Based on a lie
Ayres and Obama are not "friendly". They live in the same neighborhood and for a few years were on the board of a charitable organization at the same time, along with other Chicago business and civic leaders. There isNO EVIDENCE of any "friendship".

Ayres is not an "Obama supporter". He gave Obama a small donation ($200) and hosted a reception at his house- not set up by Obama but by the man Obama sought to succed in the State Senate- THIRTEEN YEARS AGO (1995). Ayres has not endosed or contributed to any Obama campaigns since, and specifically not to his Senate or Presidential campaigns.

So whatever you think of Ayres- he is NOT a "friend" or "associate" of Obama's. This whole Ayres thing is a fever dream of Sean Hannity which broke into the mainstream when George Clintonopolis asked an irresponsible question in a nationally televised debate channeled directly from Hannity. It is being whipped up by the right wing noise machine at the moment and by a disgracefully complicit Hillary Clinton.

Come the fall, the people won't buy it. They'll know the truth by then. The Wight story, that's something different, but this Ayres thing is a disgusting attempt at character assasination.

It's not Fear
p.r. writes:
"are you that afraid of Ollie?"

Well, then again maybe Ollie North does skeev me out just a little bit. Mostly, he & Ayer's just seem like two peas at the extreme right & left ends of the same pod.


Some of my best friends are liberals
To impeach Bush:
I am a biologist. The Aids virus was passed to humans by hunters who butchered apes and chimpanzees for meat. It then was passed by sexual intercourse to prostitutes who passed it to truckers and their many girlfriends. The prevalence of businessmen having many regular sexual partners in different locales guaranteed the spread of the virus to their wives and, sadly, children. In the U.S., the disease is still mainly a homosexual-and drug-linked disease and is not likely to break into the hetero mainstream. The preponderance in the African-American community is due to the extreme promiscuity and drug culture amongst the underclass in the inner cities. Just some facts.
PS- some whites are immune to dying from the disease by the deletion of a protein on a gene -they can still pass it on, however. This does not make it an engineered disease- that is still a scientific impossibility due tothe extremely high mutation rates of retroviruses like Aids.

Impeach Bush
Your deranged posts are starting to make Hal The Doofus & Wobbles The Clown seem intelligent. Now wipe the spittle from your monitor & learn some self control.

This is not new
Andrew McCarthy reported on this two weeks ago, for those that were paying attention ---> http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YThjYTU1ZDBjNmQ2YzcwN zU1MmYwN2JiMWY0ZGI0NDA=&w=Mg==

I am SUCH a conservative

and it is always funny when Hugh Hewitt acts like he is and others are not.

retired geek
thank-you for being intellectually honest about the statistics, it shows you have character.

i did go back and check on 2005 and the statistics were even less for blacks in that year(27%) although i will be intellectually honest and admit that is still proportionately high, but it is nowhere near the 50% you quoted.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_43.html


you also said this about obama


"He will also repeal the mandatory minimum sentence for first-time offenders convicted of simple possession of crack"

this was already approved by the U.S. Supreme Court and is being implemented by the U.S. sentencing commission who are releasing many convicted under the old law.


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. judges can impose lighter prison sentences than federal guidelines specify, the Supreme Court ruled on Monday in cases involving crack cocaine and ecstacy that could add pressure to overhaul sentencing practices.



retired geek-

you are making statements that aren't factually true on a consistent basis.

i don't know if you are getting your info from conservative media or not but...

you can't trust liberal media.
you can't trust conservative media.

both are out to make money by catering to their market.

do your own research before trusting either conservative or liberal media.


no vote 4 obama!
more nice friends of obama, he sure likes the crazies!you want this joker for president of our country that he hates and most of the people of AMERICA!come on you know what he likes , to kiss the a-- of terriost, murders, baby killers, and yes, to kill AMERICA to change it for ever into he--!

DISSENT is NOT UN-AMERICAN
DISSENT IS NOT UN-AMERICAN, DISSENT in fact is very much 'American.' Learn your history and support an original thinker for President. Scream into your pillow if you have to but vote intelligibly and know that more Torture and War sets this country back.

uniter is a gross misnomer
Obama himself as documented on his voting record is furthest left in Congress. His wife, mentor and friends are all further left than he is.

Mr. Hewitt makes much of the fact that he himself has many liberal friends. Does he not notice the complete absence of anyone remotely conservative or even moderate in Obama's circle?

The old saying, "A man is judged by the company he keeps" condemns him totally. If Obama himself were a "nice guy" then one would have to conclude that he's a total patsy for the people surrounding him and therefore not very bright but those people didn't get there nor is the friend list conservative-free by accident.

Make no mistake. He believes exactly what all the unsavory characters around him believe, another marxist throwback. He's just their charming front man. He has the same bigotry and complexes as his wife and pastor/mentor and belongs on a psychiatrist's couch to sort out his hatred of his white self, not in the POTUS office.

What is it with the Press?
You don't have to dig very deep if you want dirt to report on someone, go after the Clintons, there are tons of stuff that has been covered up, and set aside, Why?

I think an article should be written on the press of this country, on how they are afraid of the Clintons, and will not report the truth about them. They are crooked and they have done horrible things, there is nothing they will not do in order to 'win' whatever they are going after. Anyone can be throw under the bus and no one is safe, no matter how faithful they have been to them.

It would be interesting to see just how much REAL dirt the press has ignored by bringing the Clinton's dirt up and show time after time,how the press chose not to say a word about it. It would be good to show which reporters knew and didn't report it also. So much for fair and balanced, or even objective huh?

The press has come down to nothing more than propoganda for pay to the highest bidder it seems.

I think it would be nice if for once, all of the dirt on all of the candidates was brought out and told, then we would see just how lily-white-clean Obama is in comparison. And it sure would have a way of humbling all of the candidates and maybe just maybe they would get on with the issues instead of covering up their agendas so they don't have to tell the people of this country what they have decided to do to us. And then maybe we would see just what everyone was really about.


lyin' heart
"The caricature conservatives painted of Wright was uncalled for and is a vile attempt to derail Obama's quest for the whitehouse."

It wasn't a caricature; just facts. If a white conservative minister had said half the things ol' nutcase Wright said from the pulpit, liberals would be demanding his resignation or even prosecuting him for "hate speech."

impeachbush
Bill Moyers? Now THERE's an unbiased journalist (I'm being sarcastic). He wouldn't know the truth if it introduced itself to him.

How about McCain could be a traitor?
If any of the allegations are true, he is FAR worse for American than Obama: There are many Veterans who claim that John McCain willing gave up information to the Vietnamese in exchange for lighter treatment(i.e. treason), He is also alleged to have produced an inordinately large amount of propaganda for his captors, His association with the keating five, his association with known mafia men, his wife's theft of drugs for alleged personal use, his divorce of his wife who stood by him while he was a POW after she was crippled in an accident.

In reality I like McCain, and am far from an all about Obama lover, but you can't slam Obama for his questionable associations and leave out everyone else's. The freedom to disagree with and think the US Government is wrong does not make you a bad American. I think our Government in reality is despicable if any of Alan Webb's Dark Alliance is true and I would gladly see every official involved rot in prison. If the "weathermen" had been murderers I would have a much bigger issue with his associations.

Intelligent Column

It was a pleasure to read Mr. Hewitt's column. Rational, intelligent and free of the usual juvenile "liberals are poopy" attitude often found on "conservative" websites. It was a breath of fresh air. Sadly within moments the stench of irrational hate flooded the board. Foolish accusations, idiotic chest pounding, distorted facts and ignorant insults pour from those who are so lost in their own rhetoric that they are no longer able to accept anyone or any idea who doesn't think exactly like them. That's not conservatism, that's fanaticism and a dangerous and toxic force that threatens the ideals and principles that made the United States of America into a great nation and a bastion of freedom.

townhall.com
Is it me, or is the comment system on this website woefully inefficient? The layout is way too convoluted; and viewing/posting comments is a slow, torturous process. Very frustrating...

spade_labeler
You're used to the Liberal sites, where things work. These guys are still putting the square pegs in the round holes.


Judgment is a two way street...
It's always easy to point fingers at someone else and judge their actions, like Hugh does in this blog.
Look, we have had a President with the worst judgment ever!
Period.
This is over 70% of the US population saying this, not just me.
We will never get a perfect president, and Obama vs. McCain will boil down to this:

Same Old White Guy vs. Change

Change wins!
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