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Thursday, March 27, 2008
Hugh Hewitt :: Townhall.com Columnist
PBIP: The Approach and Outbreak of Polar Bear-Induced Paralysis
by Hugh Hewitt
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In January of 2007, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service published a proposed rule in the Federal Register intending to notify the public and seek their comments on the idea of adding the polar bear to the list of threatened and endangered species.

A raft of comments came in, and the government's biologists went off to consider them.

The Service returned to the Federal Register a second time, in October of 2007, and requested more comments. The window closed again.

More than 670,000 comments have been received urging that the polar bear be listed as a "threatened species."

Ask yourself why there was such an outpouring of comments for such an obscure issue.

A variety of environmental groups orchestrated the tsunami of testimonials to the desperate condition of the polar bear because they understand—as much of the public and Congress does not—that a listing of the polar bear will have vast implications, and may in fact be a backdoor to implementation of the Kyoto protocol.

By way of background, I have practiced natural resources law since I left the Reagan Administration in early 1989. Wetlands, jurisdictional waters, and endangered species are my areas of expertise, and if you ever need a lesson on the Stephens' kangaroo rat, the Delhi sands flower-loving fly, the California gnat catcher, the Desert tortoise or any of a couple dozen other plants and animals throughout the west that are protected under the federal or state Endangered Species Act, drop me an e-mail.

All of those species and many more have fairly predictable aftermaths of their listing --a period of great confusion about where they live and breed, what can and cannot be done near them, and lots of meetings and negotiations with federal officials over habitat conservation plans, Section 7 consultations etc. There are lots of landowners and businesses that lose a lot because of this law, but in the past, the impact zone of a listing was at least limited to the area in which the listed species lived.

That won't be the case with any listing of the polar bear, which is why it is the focus of so much zeal among the groups. The reach of the listing wil be immense because of the rationale offered for its protection.

The proposed listing states that the polar bear may be threatened because it is losing the ice it needs to live on due to climate change. If the government agrees with the models that project a dramatic loss of Arctic sea ice over the next few decades, and further agrees that this loss would imperil the polar bear's survivability, the bear gets listed.

Once listed, the Federal Endangered Species Act is very clear: Any federal action that might impact the polar bear must be reviewed by the U.S. Fish &Wildlife Service under Section 7 of the Act.

What sort of federal actions? The most obvious would be any activity on or near Arctic ice, but that's not the gold ring the environmentalists are reaching for.

They will argue that every federal permit that allows directly or indirectly for increased emissions of hydrocarbons is a federal act that might impact the polar bear --every port expansion, every refinery opening or repair, every Army Corps of Engineers permit that allows for more homes or office buildings to rise.

Don't believe me. Believe the Center for Biological Diversity, one of the plaintiffs in the suit filed to force the listing. From the Center's website:

“Protection under the Endangered Species Act will provide concrete help to polar bears and could revolutionize American climate policy. Since U.S. resistance to curbing greenhouse gases has allowed other countries to shirk their responsibilities as well, major changes in American policy are likely to have a powerful domino effect, catalyzing change in climate policy worldwide. The polar bear’s protected status will require a new level of environmental review before oil and gas development continue in polar bear habitat in the American Arctic. Even more critically, because it is illegal to harm threatened species or jeopardize their survival, the polar bear listing could mean that all U.S. industries emitting large quantities of greenhouse gases — and requiring a federal permit to do so — will come under the purview of the Endangered Species Act. From polluting power plants in the Midwest to auto manufacturers, a vast array of industries may have to clean up their acts to give the polar bear a chance to survive.”

They will do more than argue that a listing has these impacts. Once listed, the polar bear will launch a thousand law suits as the groups search for judges and opportunities to assert that hydrocarbon emission reduction must be apart of every federal permit and that those reductions must be negotiated by and approved by the already understaffed and overwhelmed U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service. The advocates of the listing know the stakes, which is why they have filed suit in federal district court in the Northern District of California to force a decision. That's why California Senator Barbara Boxer is demanding that the Secretary of the Interior act.

What is amazing is that industry seems almost wholly unaware of this debate. I e-mailed a senior vice president of a major coal company asking what he thought about the controversy, and he sent me back a polite, straightforward reply that he didn't think it would affect his industry much.

The groups have achieved strategic surprise.

If the industries wake up any time soon, they will have to move to intervene in the lawsuit filed to require the listing decision be made, and to demand a reopening of the record in order to make sure that this year's temperature and ice data are included, and that the models relied on to predict ice loss through mid-century be examined against this year's data. They will also have to begin to mount the obvious due process challenges to a scheme to radically extend the reach of a 1973 law that was never intended to work this way but which has grown steadily via a series of aggressive judicial interpretations. There are other Constitutional and Administrative Procedures Act challenges as well, which should be lodged in the District of Columbia Circuit, not in the Ninth Circuit.

And Secretary Kempthorne should resist the pressure from the left to rush to a listing decision. Too few people knew this has happened, and too much is at stake on a too little-reviewed or understood set of facts.

"As a result of [global] warming, Arctic sea ice is melting very rapidly," plaintiffs argue in their suit. They continue:

"In 2007 the Arctic sea ice hit a new record minimum, fully one million square miles below the average minimum sea ice extent between 1979-2000. There was less ice in the Arctic in September, 2007 than more than half of the world's leading climate models project for 2050. Some scientists now say summer ice could disappear entirely as early as 2012.

Polar bears cannot survive the loss of their sea-habitat."

Plaintiffs are making arguments about the approach of catastrophe and the Court does not have before it any challenge either to the assertions about the models or the appropriateness of using the ESA to impose Kyoto on an unpersuaded country.

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Amendments Indeed.
It is very plain to see the need for a Constitutional Amendment, granting the federal gov't, as well as the federal courts, along with the President of the US, jurisdiction over the weather. Were they not granted this ministry in the original document?

Bengal
Absolutely, and that's one of the troubling things about McCain. It's more than drinking the pseudoscience Kool-Aid: it's the whole mindset of sitting around worrying that people are living too high on the hog, and apocalyptic catastrophes are to be predicted from that.

This point is never brought out, but if you buy into "AGW" (which they are now calling "climate change," since the +0.6F has been wiped out by the cold of the last couple of winters), the most basic problem of all is that people live so much longer today than they did 80 or 100 years ago.

This leaves far more of us alive at any one time to breath CO2 into the air and try to keep ourselves warm, and make our food supply reliable by using internal combustion engines to transport it. Population is so great today, in spite of decling fertility in much of the world, because WE LIVE SO LONG NOW.

If we really want to address the impact of man on the planet, the shortest-distance method is to decrease life spans. The proposal of AGW advocates to reduce mankind's overall reliance on CO2-releasing processes will have precisely that consequence. Modern public utilities, sanitation, housing, universal and higher education, agriculture, food markets, and medicine -- all the things that have lengthened our life spans -- depend on such processes. Man will, willy-nilly, release less CO2 overall if he dies before 50 instead of living into his 60s, 70s, or 80s. And vice versa.

Weaning us off of releasing CO2, with the state of today's technology, means weaning us off of living past 50. It's wide availability of minimum basics that keeps lots of people alive -- not privilege for a few. AGW advocates may feel guilty about having their privileges, but I don't feel a bit bad about how comparatively easy it is today for millions of poor people to stay warm in the winter, and have enough to eat, and avoid contracting diseases -- and therefore not die off early, as they once did.

McCain ALSO believes in AGW
Wilson44, I share your concern about Hillary's or Obama's becoming POTUS. But please bear in mind, McCain has drunk the AGW kool-aid too.

AGW is very high on McCain's to-do list.

Kyoto Accords.................
The Kyoto Accords would limit the use of certain refrigerants that deplete the ozone layer. It also deals with pollutants from industry and automoble emmissions.
Every time a good accord comes along that will make this planet safer for us all, the wealthy do not want to pay for it. Lets deny them medical care, health insurance, reasons why they died, the truth, anything but take a precious dollar from their fat sweaty pocket.
It is disgraceful how we act when the rest of the world says play fair America, You use 70% of the worlds resources and have only 20% of the people. Well that is a lie, only 2% of the worlds population benefits from our excessive use of the worlds resources.
We are loosing allies people rapidly, and those that are getting wealthy will leave us a the drop of a hat.

Hewitt; another Reagan cult follower
For all you Movie fans, the Movie, `Reagan, The White House years' is over. It got mixed reviews and well nobody likes to kick a man when he is down.
The only good Reagans Administration did for America was, dismantle every safe guard against insider trading and thieft of funds and the raping of America. He did a great job at Acting the President, while thousands dismantled this great nation and set it up to be sold for a buck.
Yes he out bankrolled the USSR, and made it collapse. But we are now ready to go under ourselves.
When will you the Republican party and fellow Americans realize that these asses only like to here themself talk about knowthing.

One more idea
Well, the males do eat the babies. Maybe we could just try a policy that makes the cubs taste bad. Inject them with tofu burger taste, and Al Gore breath, or something.

Polar bear parody video
The National Center for Public Policy Research has just posted this parody video about the "endangered" polar bear.

http://www.nationalcenter.org/PolarBear.html


I am just trying to help.
The study I would like to see would measure how much O2 is generated by lawns. I bet it would be really high! (If you have ever driven by a golf course in the desert, you can absolutely smell it and feel the loveliness of the air.)

That would make the libs go into a very humorous tailspin. They do not like lawns; lawnowners mow with lawnmowers, and they use weed-n-feed.

Could golf be the solution?

Quix
But are the POLAR BEARS set for life?

Nice try. Back to reeducation camp for you.

Trees
The most effective solar energy collector is a tree. It takes solar radiation CO2 and makes O2.

Trees are used as structural members, they heat homes, cook food and make shelter. There is extremely little waste.

They are the worlds best composite material and we don't have to manufacture them with power generated from coal or natural gas--we only have to grow them.

Live on 10 to 15 acres and keep 5 wooded, your family is set for life.

Thanks H. Hewitt
The stealthiness of this move to place Polar Bears on the Endangered Species list, and the lack of interest shown by industry and by citizens is truly chilling. Thank you, Hugh Hewitt, for this article.

Like the rest of the posters here, I find it terrifying that a group of activists and courts are beginning to move towards controlling industry, population, and resources (also known as "human life" and "private property") using "climate change." Ultimately, CO2 is what each of us exhale, and for the UN to try to classify our own breath as a poisonous gas should alert us to the direction this whole thing is headed.

As for global warming/climate change, I cannot think of a more ultimate fudge-factor than avg. global temperature, or weather predictions!

I have a study somewhere in my files--can't find it just now--observing that the earth's magnetosphere has been weakening for the last 100 years. The protection this gives us from deadly rays and solar wind is far more significant than the affect of any trace gas in the atmosphere.

Polar bear steaks
To Dan- Polar Bear steak sounds great!!!!! Is that with red wine or white wine?

lies dirty lies...
On November 29, 1979, with now retired TVA Chairman Red Wagner watching, the TVA closed the gates on the Tellico Dam. It meant the death of a river—a river that even those who supported the dam agreed was beautiful and unique. It was also a river that had already been permanently altered by upstream dams. The closing of the gates meant the end of one era and the beginning of another. This was also the birth date of Tellico Reservoir, an artificial lake at the base of the Smoky Mountains. Only the future could tell what lay ahead for the Little Tennessee River valley, a valley that was after all, quite used to change.

The snail darter litigation was one of several legal maneuvers showing the efficacy of this approach to environmental activism; a slightly later dam project of the TVA was halted by this approach using a different endangered species and eventually dismantled.

Before the closure of the gates of Tellico Dam, numerous snail darters were transplanted into the Hiwassee River. These may have survived; in any event, the snail darter has been found in other locations. The Little Tennessee River was never the sole environment in which these fish lived as had been alleged in the suit.

The snail darter was taken off the endangered species list in the 1980s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snail_darter_controversy

Polar Bear Steaks
if you want to save the Polar Bear, serve polar bear steak! Make it taste good, charge a competitive price. Look the Cow, pig, chicken and lamb are not endangered are they? They exist in greater numbers now than ever in the history of the world. Because there is economic incentive to breed and produce these animals. Create economic incentive to breed polar bears and you won't have to worry about endangered species acts. Serve polar bear steak!

Holtonfb
holtonfb writes:""edgreenland cover with trees in 1000 AD
oone writes: about trees covering Greenland .. good trick .. since a vast majority of greenland is ice cap .. and even if the ice cap melted .. only the slim coastal rocky rim would be able to support vegatation .. but even then .. the land is ROCKY .. a moraine and shale based structure a tree might grow in brooklyn.. but not Greenland .. but ..then I only lived there a year while in the air force ..""

Yes Greenland is Ice NOW.

During the "middle ages warm period" it Wasn't Ice.
Ever wonder wy it's named GREENland?
(it wasn't an ancient form of false advertising)

The vikings had a very large settlement there where they lived quite happily raising crops and grazing herd animals.

Do you think their cattle were grazing on Ice?

It's been warmer before than it is now. I guess those evil vikings were driving Hummers around huh?

Did you know that during the same warm period they had Vineyards in Scotland? (Try that now)

Before you spout nonsense based on nonsense, try doing a little research.

Humans and the Environment
I remember a professor in one of my classes who made a comment one day. "Remember that the human race is part of the environment as well as everything else."

I think most 'environmentalists' forget this - or think that all humans should be locked up somewhere so they can't touch the environment. Except them, of course. They have to be in the environment to continually check it. Just everyone else has to stay out.

I remember
when they built the Alaskan oil pipeline in the 70's. At the time, the environmentalists claimed that the caribou would all die. They estimated the caribou population at 100,000 in 1970. Today they number in the millions, grazing on the grass along the pipeline

Crazies in California are panicking
about the course of Natural Selection! Go figure! At first I couldn't understand the "green" paranoia, but I get it now. They have great guilt about being the "chosen ones" of evolution and want to correct Nature's mistake.....by becoming more "natural". It makes perfect sense.....

But you know, I also couldn't believe that these green communists would really want to force us all back to living in caves and eating raw veggies (because fires would destroy valuable trees), but after a moment's thought, I realized that they are suffering from a debilitating disease: bipolar disorder. At any given moment they will either be severely depressed over Nature's mistake in placing human beings at the top of the evolutionary family tree, or they will be gloating over their superior genius (which has given them the edge over the rest of humanity, enabling them to comprehend Nature's signals to us of Earth's impending doom- as well as the know-how to prevent it!). Such shame and such glory could get a little confusing. Which, of course, is why I called them crazies to begin with.

Caligula - let me get this straight
"You lose the main predator in the region, which will then lead to overpopulation of artic hares, seals, and other prey. This in turn affects the habitat."

So, if we lose the polar bears... man will leave the region?

You just said the main predator... and we all know the main predator on the planet is man...

Lessee.. more seals, more baby seals to club, more money for natives. More hares, more rabbit fur to harvest. I'm not seeing the downside to this yet...

holtonfb - Greenland never green?
Could you please maybe dig up the Vikings and tell them that?

Next you're going to claim that Pangaia never existed.

Another Leap for ESA
The scary thing about this is not only the possibility that this could affect all U.S. climate policy, but that the USFWS is now being asked to declare a healthy, prolific species endangered based SOLELY on the PREDICTIONS of the environmentalists.

We are being asked to declare a non-threatened species as threatened. The same holds true for the Walrus population.

Maybe it's time to revisit the Endangered Species Act and make it a little less easy for the environmentalists to overstep the legislative intent of the act.

Polar bear cartoon: http://www.rogermaynard.com/images/p2007/polarbears.gif

It is absolutely fascinating to me
... that by the logic of anthropogenic climate change advocates, HUMANS are today as endangered as any other species on earth.

Yet the activists prefer to focus their advocacy on addressing the putative endangerment of non-human species.

What is the rationale behind that?

History Repeating Itself
I remember the 70's when all the scientists were predicting an imminent Ice Age. Of course nothing of the sort happened. This is all a scam to move us closer to a socialistic economy with no real benefit to ourselves or the environment. I have no problem with recycling, new sources of energy, energy conservation and other wise acts. We especially need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. But this AGM is a scam, folks. Lord help us if Hillary or Obama get the White House. I'm sure this will be a major priority for either one of them especially with a cooperative Democratic Congress at his or her back. Get ready for a fight people. It's coming.

Tolja so
I actually compared the global warming dogma, & the probable fascistic regime of bureaucratic micromanagement it would lead to, to the Endangered Species Act. The ESA was supposed to be all about saving cute unique furry or feathery critters from being hunted. By the 1990's, the Left could have some biologist declare some population of an animal or plant to be a separate species, then they could use it to grab control of land, restrict people, & shut down whole industries they don't like.

Now they're actually leveraging their ESA weapon as a backdoor means of enacting the carbon fascism they've had wet dreams about.

How will anyone decide just "how much" regulation is "enough" when no one can objectively prove or quantify the effect of anthrogenic carbon dioxide in the 1st place? The carbon ration we'll be issued will be totally arbitrary, at the whim of bureaucrats, judges, & activist plaintiffs.

Notice that actual elected representatives of any party, save a handful of kooks in supersafe seats, absolutely refused to enact or even propose any legislation or ratify a treaty that explicitly controlled alleged "greenhouse gases" because they knew the voters would crucify them once the true costs started to bite. Instead, they want to have hi-profile hearings about steroids in baseball while the courts & reg agencies stealth the whole agenda into place thanx to broad vague powergrants like the ESA & Clean Air Act.

And John McCain? He would welcome having this thing drop into his lap without having to do anything but stand back & let it happen.

Say hello to an American Soviet Union where Big Bro will control your thermostat, your apartment size & location, & your travel. Hope you have a blanet & good shoes.

Great Scam Going
What a great scam the environmentalists have going. Does anyone remember the magazine cover(Newsweek I think) sometime back that showed a lone polar bear on an ice floe about the size of a small car? The picture made it look like he was trapped and floating off to oblivion as a result of a smaller ice shelf due to, of course, global warming. The message is obvious. Save the poor polar bears! I'm sure many teachers reprinted this picture and the related article and gave it to the school kids to take home. We all know how children's heartstrings are tugged by the sight of cute furry animals. I'm sure many of them took the information home to their parents and told them: "Mommy, Daddy we have to something about glabal warming or the poor polar bear will drown or starve." The photo was misleading though. Sometime after this Newsweek cover story the photographer went public and set the record straight. It seems he was watching a group of bears when one decided to hitch a ride on this small floe to a nearby area where there was more food. The bear got off a short distance away and went hunting seal or whatever else they eat. There was plenty of ice and the bear was in no danger. The photographer thought it a cute picture and had no idea the magazine would use it in this way. Folks the whole thing is a scam. P.T. Barnum would be proud.

Caligula's incorrect assuption
Caligula writes: Thursday, March, 27, 2008 6:41 AM
"You lose the main predator in the region, which will then lead to overpopulation of artic hares, seals, and other prey. This in turn affects the habitat.

As far as I know, there are still horses,camels, and elephants on the planet."
----
While the strongest predator, polar bears are not the main predator in the arctic region. That would be the arctic fox. Link...
http://www.ypte.org.uk/docs/factsheets/animal_facts/arctic_ fox.html

Dan Writes
"I hereby demand that those leading this exploitative movement renounce all things material, travel exclusively by foot, bike or other non-motorized device, sell their large homes and move to a communal tent city. After that happens, we can rent their former properties to the Polar Bears .... Sounds just as logical as the "Global Warming" hoax. "

Personally, I think if they are really worried about the bears starving, I think they should trot their little tushes up north and sacrofice themselves to feed the bears. This would keep the bears fed and relieve the planet of extra population that is increasing the CO2 supply as they breathe.

The Goal of the Enviromentalist
Remember the 70's when the crisis of the day was Global Cooling and we were headed to an Ice Age. The Enviromentalists are not interested in the Polar Bear, the Spotted Owl or any other Species of Anamal, Plant, bug or micro critter. The only thing they are interested in is to destroy our economy and our way of life. The Enviromentalist does not look at Global Warming as a threat, only as an Avenue to destroy Capitalism. The Enviromentalist is a TERRORIST and it is time to accept this fact and destroy them. We are at war with Terrorists and need to start with the home grown ones that call themselves Enviromentalists.

Polar Bears
If you are worried about the polar bears, talk to the Eskimos and Indians in the area there. The bears aren't endangered. Actually when the sea ice melts in the summer, the bears tend to gather on land. They are also not responsible for keeping down the number of artic hares, etc. since they generally don't hunt like other critters do. They eat other things. But they are a problem for the people there.

The main reason there is a push for global warming is money. There is technology to remove CO2 from the exhausts of coal fired plants. The only trouble is that it is very expensive so plants don't buy it. There is a push about global warming to get governments (primarily ours) to require the plants to use the equipment so they can sell it. (I wonder if Al owns some of that company's stock.)

This is sort of like the Freon scare. 'It will leave a hole in the ozone and everyone will die.' A company made another product that could be used like Freon but it was more expensive and didn't work as well. So the company came up with this theory and gave it to the environmentalists along with a few million dollars. Freon was banned and they made a killing selling their product. Now you don't hear of the problem any more.

The Goal of the Enviromentalist
Remember the 70's when the crisis of the day was Global Cooling and we were headed to an Ice Age. The Enviromentalists are not interested in the Polar Bear, the Spotted Owl or any other Species of Anamal, Plant, bug or micro critter. The only thing they are interested in is to destroy our economy and our way of life. The Enviromentalist does not look at Global Warming as a threat, only as an Avenue to destroy Capitalism. The Enviromentalist is a TERRORIST and it is time to accept this fact and destroy them. We are at war with Terrorists and need to start with the home grown ones that call themselves Enviromentalists.


Its hard
Its hard for me to understand how a sub-species (of ursus horriblus if I remember correctly) whose population is increasing is either threatened or endangered. It seems a little difficult to make the argument that the fuzzies are in any trouble at all. Of course they are cut until you get close to them.

edgreenland cover with trees in 1000 AD
oone writes: about trees covering Greenland .. good trick .. since a vast majority of greenland is ice cap .. and even if the ice cap melted .. only the slim coastal rocky rim would be able to support vegatation .. but even then .. the land is ROCKY .. a moraine and shale based structure a tree might grow in brooklyn.. but not Greenland .. but ..then I only lived there a year while in the air force ..
and by the way .. the lack of ice seriously impacts the Inuits (what round eyes call Eskimos) .. since it impairs their ability to hunt seals, walruses, whale, s etc ..

How much warmer is it?
Did the polar bears go extinct during the Medieval Warming Period? Did they go extinct again during the 1920's and 30's? How certain are we today that Ice coverage was not less then than it is now? What proof is there that polar bears have never survived polar ice melting in the past and therefore cannot survive polar ice melting in the future? How certain are we that this year's cooling is not an anomaly like the 1998 warming, and does not indicate the beginning of a return to cooler conditions?

It is truly amazing...
that the AGW wackos continually try to push their THEORY that atmospheric CO2 causes warming when the historic FACTS show that atmospheric CO2 levels LAG warming.

In additon, recent figures indicate that the average global temperature has gone DOWN in the last ten years from a histeric peak (Freudian typo) in 1998.

Mammoths
Sometimes I like to watch "Prehistoric Park" on TV because of the incredible 3D and matte work they do. Also, the storyline is a lot more believable than "Jurassic Park", even if he sometimes gets preachy.

Anyway, in one episode Nigel goes back to fetch a mammoth. He blames the extinction on two factors; the loss of habitat due to global warming (25k years ago) and predation by man. It's another win-win for the enviro-wackos! Too bad it was 25k years ago at the end of an ice age and the evil humans weren't ramming mammoths with SUVs but attacking them courageously with spears.

Lead by Example
If the honorable Sen. Boxer et al are truly convinced that the fate of the planet is directly linked to the Polar Bear, climate change and our personal "carbon footprints," let them lead by example.

I hereby demand that those leading this exploitative movement renounce all things material, travel exclusively by foot, bike or other non-motorized device, sell their large homes and move to a communal tent city. After that happens, we can rent their former properties to the Polar Bears .... Sounds just as logical as the "Global Warming" hoax.

You're right, VIC2,
The essence of the Endangered Species Act, among others, has been to propagate the lawyer sub-species within the human species. Intended or not. This begs the question: Are lawyers a form of human pollution? Is there such a thing as a "Legal Footprint"? I believe so. Therefore, Congress should pass a law regarding lawyers but isn't Congress really nothing more than a festering nest of lawyers? Catch-22.

POLAR BEARS SHOULD BE EXTERMINATED

.....Why does man tolerate sharing his environment with this dangerous carnivorous beast? ...their only useful function is killing seals that eat fish which are a staple food source for humans ...both the bears and seals should be hunted as a food souce and for their fur ....when the next Ice Age comes those furs will come in handy ...

.....I am trying to form a group called "Humans ARE The Environment" or "HATE" ...

.....Our mission will be to trap kangaroo rats, swat Delhi sands flower loving flies, spray California gnats and dine on Desert tortoise soup ...I urge all humans that want to save the Planet from Government Enviro-whackos and create a safe habitat for humans to join "HATE" as soon as possible ...time is running out for the human race .....COLOSSUS

Well,...
...I suppose we'll just have to get used to living in caves again and enjoying short and brutish lives just to accommodate the polar bear. How progressive.

How to catch a Polar Bear
First chop a hole in the ice. Then surround the hole with fresh sweet peas. Then, when the polar bear comes to take a pea, you kick him in the ice hole.


Sorry, we needed a little levity.

Ecoshams
Eon and boone get it, they understand the situation quite well.

Caligula needs more reading time in the hope of gaining perspective.

Control, control, control
The whole environmental movement is about controlling other people. They don't want oil/gas wells drilled and will drive a thousand miles in their suv to prevent it.
The Inuits, who have been steadfastly insisting that the polar bear numbers are increasing have to be wrong, the enviros insist they see more because there are less. Kind of like the coyotes in Yellowstone, that were supposedly decreased by 50% (enviros insist this is good) despite the fact that we see more and more of them.
The bad thing is, I don't know what can be done about it, they have certain judges that always rule for them. The lawsuits are always filed in those courts...the environmental group not only wins, we the taxpayer have to pay all of their sizeable legal costs.

Bears are omnivorous
in 1000 A.D. or thereabouts, Greenland was covered in forests and the Artic Sea ice was basically gone. The Polar bears survived. The fact that they survive today in one of the harshest environments does not mean they will starve when presented with abundant wildlife and other food sources on which other bears thrive. A man who can live on roots and berries in the wild for six months does not starve in a MacDonalds. They would have all died out during the last warming period. Of course, the sea ice is back anyway. Check the weather reports.

Lawsuit
A lawsuit from those tree-hugging environmental wackos doesn't bother Dirk Kempthorne. He will take his time and go by the facts to render the right decision.
Get those oil leases sold ASAP. The Polar Bear don't need the oil anyway.
bye bye fuzzy ones!

Caligula
"As far as I know there are still horses, camels, and elephants on the planet."

Quite true. But the specific subspecies that existed in the Americas in prehistoric times (up to the Neolithic) no longer exist.

And attempts to reintroduce them from elsewhere have been hit-or-miss. Horses have done quite well since their reintroduction by the Spanish (witness the existence of wild mustangs), but the success of the U.S. Army's inadvertent re-introduction of camels in the late 1800s is still subject to debate. As for elephants, other than those in captivity, no, doesn't work.

However, even assuming that the neo-Luddites are correct about polar bears (which I don't believe, on the grounds that they tend to lie a lot), this by no means would lead to the subspecies' extinction. The Siberian brand still exists in (surprise) Siberia, and is doing just fine, thank you. And as for their alarmism about the "loss of habitat" for the local brand, the best way to define the habitat of the local brand is to get a map of Alaska and Canada, and use a highlighter to color in just about everything above Latitude 50 North. Polar bears even show up in towns in that part of the world. Their only actual "enemies" are other large ursines (Alaskan Browns, Grizzlies), and of course man.

If the environmentalists really had an argument for their doomsday predictions, there are a lot of things they could be doing to make the case. Trying to turn polar bears into giant-sized snail darters is just one more indication that the only consistency in their arguments is their lack of scientific evidence. No wonder their default position is demagoguery and threats.

As the old lawyers' saying goes, "If you don't have the witness, pound the evidence; if you don't have the evidence, pound the witness; if you don't have either, pound the table."

I've about had it with their table-pounding.


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eon

El Segundo Blue Butterfly
Hugh,

A few years ago the City of Los Angelis attempted to expand the Hyperion Wastewater plant using a small strip of land between the end of a LAX runway and the beach. The plan to build sludge digesters was blocked because it is part of the El Segundo Blue habitat.

The end result is that the cost of the plant expansion was increased by several hundred million dollars. The construction would have been a temporary impact on a small portion of the habitat range.

Every year we learn about about abuses of the endangered species act such as the Preble Jumping Mouse that was determimed to be a species that did not exist but the habitat range has not been changed.

I hope that we are not too late about the Polar Bear. Saving the non threatened Polar Bear could destroy our economy.

JW

Denyse O'Leary
Not to worry about the polar bears. Thety are in no danger and are thriving. There was an article months ago that stated the eco-idiots were going to do this soly for the purpose of advancing AGW.

This has nothing to do with helping poalr bears and all to do with pushing yet another scam. This suit should be dismissed with rejudice and both the lawyer and his client fined heavily.

Endangered listing might harm bear
Recently, there was a very interesting article in Canada's Maclean's Magazine on polar bears.

First, it's far from clear that their numbers are declining. They may be increasing.

Second, if laws were passed to prevent the importation of polar bear skins to the United States, the hunting tags issued for bears will all go to Canadians who live in the area.

Why does this matter? Because, according to the article, only half of American hunters kill a bear during the time they spend here. Then they forfeit their tags when they go home.

But the Canadian local can keep his tag until he kills a bear. So more bears will probably be killed.

One problem nowadays is that environment policy is often dictated by pressure groups populated by well-meaning people who act on alarming statistics and sentimental pictures.

The few people who understand the real long term consequences of any given policy are overruled by a tearful or angry sea of citizens demandng that their pet policy be adopted.

I hope the bear survives the environmentalists as well as he survives the American hunters.

FOWG
"If they do disappear to the last one, what of it? This continent has seen the loss of horses, camels, elephants in recent geological times, so what?"

You lose the main predator in the region, which will then lead to overpopulation of artic hares, seals, and other prey. This in turn affects the habitat.

As far as I know, there are still horses,camels, and elephants on the planet.

Endangered Species indeed
I Wonder what goes well with Polar Bear stew?

Get ready. They're circling!!
Even now the moonbats are rallying. Get ready for Lilly the Loon, Wobbie or Hal(itosis)D to descend on us Neanderthals with their "enlightened viewpoints from high atop Mt. Olympus".

-Ray

Well I'm convinced.
We must completely wipe out the polar bears before this becomes law, making it moot.

Its us or them!

Seriously, is there anyone in the world with two or more brain cells who still hasn't figured out that AGW is a scam?

The death of this country
This is an illustration that shows in a nutshell what is wrong with this country and the impact of excessive regulation. I have been saying for a long time on here that excessive regulation contributes more to driving business overseas than cheap labor. Well here is more evidence of that.

There are really two major things wrong here. Yes, you have the fraudulent attempt to place polar bears on the endangered specie list so that the leftist human haters can push the fraudulent AGW scam. After all, once good fraud deserves another. But there is another insidious problem here. The fact that this thing is in court to begin with is a huge problem. It is already bad enough when politicians decide scientific issues based on politics but here in the last 20 years the courts have been deciding scientific issues based on laws written by the politicians and the opinions of a team of inner-city jurors, most of home probably never graduated from grammar school.

It is no accident that this is what has happened. The lawmakers are lawyers. Every law that they write now (that isn’t fluff) has some provision in it that encourages court action in order to make more business for lawyers.

The really sad thing is that there appears to be nothing on the horizon that will change this paradigm.

polar bears
I am certainly not in favor of wanton destruction of any part of creation. Polar bears are are a large part of the arctic landscape and I have nothing agin' em. (Since I don't have to interact with the dangerous critters.)

If they do disappear to the last one, what of it? This continent has seen the loss of horses, camels, elephants in recent geological times, so what? Nothing collapsed with the loss of the saber tooth tiger or the giant sloth or the glyptodont.

Since the arrival of the white man, we have seen the extinction of the passenger pigeon and large reductions in the population of beavers, wolves, large cats and bison and who knows what else.

Not to be too cavalier, so what?

I used to think that the idea of survival was the primary urge among and for human beings and since we are human, mere survival is not enough. We have the imperative to improve our lot through medicine, abundant food and comfotable shelter.

If it comes to polar bears vs. modern health care, nutrition, communication and transportation; goodbye to the fuzzy ones!

(Don't get me started on the whole nonsensical AGW thing.)

Frogs in the Pot
Tick, up goes the temperature dial on us frogs in the pot. It’s not about preserving anything other than the power structure of government institutions.

I remember being accosted by ripe hippies in the seventies for not changing my brand of soap so I would smell like them and save fish. I remember being told by fear mongering nuclear holocaust Chicken-Littles that I needed to revolt against cheap electricity so I could protect everyone from glowing like a light bulb after a reactor melt down. I remember being told in the nineties by holier than thou eco-fascists that I was supposed to buy low flow toilets, faucets and showerheads so I would need to flush twice, rinse twice and bath twice as long to achieve the same hygienic results. I remember the pompousness of Kyoto attendees who said I was supposed to take a back seat to developing nations as they went about their pollutant ways in order to allow them to catch up.

I’d prefer my grandchildren didn’t have to be reminded of any of that, although it’s not likely. They will be taught to sit in wonder how anything would ever get done unless the government does it or someone sues for action.

“Strategic surprise”, indeed!
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