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Friday, January 11, 2008
Hugh Hewitt :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Climb and Decline of the Ancient Mariner: The McCain Encore
by Hugh Hewitt
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With Michigan, South Carolina, Nevada and Florida as rest stops on the way to Super Tuesday, and with the collective credibility of pundits and pollsters shattered after Obama's staggering, run-away win in New Hampshire, it has begun to dawn on the commentariat that they have no idea what is going on in the presidential race, and that voters may be troublingly insistent on casting ballots for whomever they want regardless of the results predicted by the pros.

Rudy Giuliani is expected to win New Jersey and New York on Super Tuesday, February 5, 2008, and those states award their delegates on a winner-take-all basis.

John McCain will likely win Arizona, which is another winner-take-all state, giving him 53 delegates on Super Tuesday.


Mike Huckabee should win the winner-take-all state of Georgia, to earn him 72 points on Super Tuesday.

Mitt Romney is strong in the winner-take-all states of Massachusetts, Vermont and Utah, which yield a total of 96 delegates.

Fred Thompson can be expected to win the winner-take-all state of Tennessee, assuming he wins a majority of the votes, for a total of 55 delegates.

Total winner take out numbers
Rudy Giuliani 153
Mitt Romney 96
Mike Huckabee 72
Fred Thompson 55
John McCain 53

We can confidently look forward to waking up on Wednesday February 6 with every GOP candidate claiming some victories and many delegates, and the outline of a convention fight looming in the not-far-off distance.

No one is headed for the sidelines soon, not even Fred with the fewest votes cast in the first two contests, and certainly not Romney with the most votes and delegates as of today.  Even a second place in Michigan --another open primary like Iowa and New Hampshire in which the Republican preference is obscured by the votes of Independants and even Democrats-- won't sideline Romney, despite the demands of Manhattan-Beltway scribblers and talkers.  Romney raised more than $5 million the day after a second place finish in New Hampshire, and the campaign was energized by the obvious loyalty of the base Romney has built over the past year.  That base will harvest delegates from now until St. Paul and put Romney in a commanding position at the convention if he simply stays in the game, and may possibly deliver the nomination if he surprises anywhere between now and the end of voting in Texas and Ohio on March 4. 

But what about the McCain surge and his big win in New Hampshire?   "John McCain will not get the base of the Republican Party," former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum told me this week, and Santorum proceeded to list the ways in which McCain has rejected conservative policies over the years:

John McCain was the guy who was working with Ted Kennedy to drive it down our throats, and lectured us repeatedly about how xenophobic we were, lectured us, us being the Republican conference, about how wrong we were on this, how we were on the wrong side of history, and that you know, this is important for his…because having come from Arizona, knowing the strength of the Hispanic community, that we were going to be seen as racists, and he wasn’t going be part of that, that he was not a racist, and that if we were for tougher borders, it was a racist thing. Look, John McCain looks at things through the eyes, on these kind of domestic policy issues, looks at it through the eyes of the New York Times editorial board, and accepts that predisposition that if you are not, if you stand for conservative principles, there’s some genetic defect.

and

[McCain's] not with us on almost all of the core issues of…on the economic side, he was against the President’s tax cuts, he was bad on immigration. On the environment, he’s absolutely terrible. He buys into the complete left wing environmentalist movement in this country. He is for bigger government on a whole laundry list of issues. He was…I mean, on medical care, I mean, he was for re-importation of drugs. I mean, you can go on down the list. I mean, this is a guy who on a lot of the core economic issues, is not even close to being a moderate, in my opinion. And then on the issue of, on social conservative issues, you point to me one time John McCain every took the floor of the United States Senate to talk about a social conservative issue. It never happened. I mean, this is a guy who says he believes in these things, but I can tell you, inside the room, when we were in these meetings, there was nobody who fought harder not to have these votes before the United States Senate on some of the most important social conservative issues, whether it’s marriage or abortion or the like. He always fought against us to even bring them up, because he was uncomfortable voting for them. So I mean, this is just not a guy I think in the end that washes with the mainstream of the Republican Party.

This is the complete conservative critique of John McCain, and all the efforts by the MSM to encourage Republican voters to turn their eyes away from it will not work.  GOP activists and conervative loyalists have been poked in those eyes too many times by Senator McCain over the past eight years to lose the memories of those assaults.

Which is not to say that Romney will win the nomination, though I hope he does.  Fred Thompson rose up out of his political grave in last night's debate and hammered Mike Huckabee in terms every conservative understood to be devastatingly true.  And Rudy is waiting in Florida having successfully defined victory as victory there.  Huck will take his guitar and a sack of southern delegates to St. Paul, and his fans are indifferent to policy arguments.

What will decide this thing?  The Luntz focus groups on Sunday and Thursday night which went overwhelmingly to Romney and Thompson respectively tell us what Republican voters prize most of all: Fight in their candidates.  This may be because of what we know lies ahead in the fall, when not just an energized Dem nominee assaults them day after day, but when Soros et al unleash their tens of millions and the leftie nutroots scream BushCo and Halliburton at the top of their virtual lungs 24/7.  The GOP knows it will need a fighter full of energy and optimism who will both argue the case for Reagan conservatism and do so with the graciousness and charm that will be a sharp contrast with the angry left.

Which brings us back to Senator McCain.  His debate performance last night was wobbly, with meandering answers and an occasional grimace or misplaced wink.  He fell back on his tired answers and many were exact repeats of Sunday night's programming.  When he wandered through answer after answer it gradually dawned that he is indeed way past his prime, a Bob Dole without the energy.  Sure, he tramps from event to event, but at 71 he is not the same maverick he was at 63 when the McCain phenomenon swept New Hampshire and Michigan before running into conservative reality in South Carolina.  Even the McCain enthusiasts watch this aging warrior and know that he could no more win in the fall than Dole could in '96.  Politics is not exclusively a young man's game, but it is most definitely not an old man's game either.

A GOP vote for McCain is a vote for a shattered base and a desultory campaign in the fall. It is a vote for lecture after lecture on global warming, campaign finance reform, and the bridge to nowhere.  It is a vote for an old warrior way past his prime and the prospect of three debates against Barack Obama in which the age and energy gap goes unremarked upon while devastatingly obvious.

"[W]e’re looking at the media trying to make Barack Obama the president, and make John McCain the shill for him," Rick Santorum told me. "I think they know that John McCain can’t win this election," he concluded.

Of course they are.  Of course they do.  But the GOP voters won't fall for it.

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Fact:
There was once a war hero,
now that no longer is true.
What we now have is the shell,
the shell only knows what was
in the mirror prior.

If the Republicans allow the
Democrats in the msm and the
cross over votes from Democrats
to enable McCain to blow the party
to hell from within, so be it.

There will be another day, and
another new Republican Pary,
and the broom will be the first
thing needed.


spot on
nice analysis.

brokered convention, anyone?

John Mccain the amnesty candidate.
What are the people of new hampshire thinking?
John Mccain is absolutely our worst candidate.

Didn't we discover that 80% of the country is opposed to amnesty for illegal aliens?? If we nominate Mccain we are guaranteed to lose the white house! I don't believe any of these Fox news polls for a second anymore. These same polls said Romney would win iowa in a landslide.

Hugh, time to face reality
Your former Man Friday Dean Barnett was down on Mitt's performance last night: "If [Mitt Romney] doesn't win in Michigan next Tuesday, he's pretty much done..."

Stephen Hayes said: John McCain was a strong second [Fred was first]. [McCain] is now the frontrunner, a position that has given him trouble in the past-- both in 2000 and early in this cycle. But if he is ill at ease with this status, he is not showing it at all. McCain seemed as relaxed as I've seen him in this format. He is not often the most articulate man on the stage or the most fluid, but he was very solid tonight. His answer on how he would have handled the situation with Iran could not have been better had it been scripted in advance. He reminds people often that he was for the surge before it was cool to be for the surge. It was interesting to see Rudy Giuliani, who needs to
mitigate McCain's strengths on national security, play me-too on the surge. McCain said earlier that he needed to "own the surge," and he surely did tonight.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/0 00/014/571gtvok.asp?pg=2

More Objective Debate Analysis
Bill Kristol wrote:

Failed to do what he had to do.
Romney. He had to get some momentum in Michigan. But after McCain slapped him down in the first exchange, Romney was passive and not much of a presence.

Helped himself in Michigan.
McCain. Strong as commander in chief, and held his own on economics.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/0 00/014/571gtvok.asp

Hugh ...
Well, there is an obvious absurdity and self-contradiction to Hewitt's column. He begins by slamming the pundits and saying that their projections are worthless. Then, he goes on to claim that McCain cannot unite conservatives or win the general election. What does he base this on? The opinions and projections of pundits. Pundits like the failed Rick Santorum - who greatly injured the GOP by getting blown out by Bob Casey. Pundits like some anonymous "poster" on a blog. Pundits like Frank Luntz, whose post-NH Debate focus group proved eminently worthless.


Part 2 ...
McCain has the strongest chance in the general election. He polls the best against both Obama and Clinton. Romney gets defeated badly in all such polls.

Make no mistake: Hewitt's problems with McCain have nothing to do with political philosophy. Hewitt's dislike of McCain is purely personal.

If Hewitt were the conservative purist that he claims to be, then why is he not all over Romney for raising taxes in MA? Why is he not all over Romney for openly trashing Reagan and Bush all the way up until the mid 90s? Why is he not all over Romney for not only supporting McCain-Feingold, but arguing that it didn't go far enough? Why is he not all over Romney for being ferociously pro-abortion all the way up until 2 years ago, and even including taxpayer-funded abortions in MA?

The fact is that for every "apostasy" McCain has committed against conservatism, Romney has committed 10.

Conservatives are taking a hard, second look at McCain, and seeing a largely conservative record. McCain has been strongly pro-life and pro-gun for his entire career. And when it comes to national defense, there is no one stronger than McCain. And as much as Hewitt whines about independents winning NH for McCain - don't buy that tripe. McCain defeated Romney convincingly among registered Republicans as well.

If Romney - someone with no foreign policy experience - is our nominee, domestic policy will dominate the campaign, and we will lose. If McCain is the nominee, foreign policy becomes the hallmark of the campaign, and we win.
Regardless of the age disparity, McCain can look Obama in the eye and say, "We are in the middle of a war. This is a serious time, and not a time for on the job training."

Huckabee/Romney 2008
Great Communicator needed to win in 08
Reality Check Time:
Republicans will need another Great Communicator to win in 08. Hillary/Obama will be on the Democrat ticket this fall. The MSM will push hard for their election and try to make ANY conservative look like a mean old rich man.

Of the current crop of Republican candidates is there a Great Communicator among them that doesn't come across as a mean old rich man?

Great Communicator will have to connects with the average voter and know how to motivate them to vote for him instead of Hillary/Obama.

Is there any Republican candidate who posseses this talent and has come from out of nowhere from a small state and with little money?

Mike Huckabee is the ONLY Republican who has this Great Communicator skill.

Reality Check again:
Most American (even Republican) voters are really not in favor of smaller limited government. Even Reagan did NOT cut spending in his 8 years in office. The best any Republican President will be able to do is to hold the line and minimize spending. The only place Democrats and the MSM will allow Republicans to cut spending would be on defense.

The only issues Republicans can win on are pro-life, pro traditional values, a strong military, and stop the illegal invasion of our country.

Mike Huckabee supports ALL of those.

Do you want to win and have a Republican President who will nominate betwee 2 to 4 US Supreme Court justices over the next 8 years?

Then you need to be reasonable and accept reality that Mike Huckabee is the ONLY Republican who can stop the Hillary/Obama wave.



Mitt Romney is a loser...
because he loses the following states to Hillary in the general:

Pennsylvania: (McCain wins against Hillary and Obama, Mitt loses to both). http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/el ection_20082/2008_presidential_election/pennsylvania/pennsy lvania_2008_presidential_election

Maryland: (McCain beats Hillary there, Mitt loses to both). http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/el ection_20082/2008_presidential_election/maryland/maryland_2 008_presidential_election

Virginia: (McCain beats Hillary and Obama there, Mitt loses to Obama and ties Hillary). http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/el ection_20082/2008_presidential_election/virginia/virginia_2 008_presidential_election

Do we want to win against the Democrats or not? McCain wins. Mitt loses. Do you prefer Giuliani or Thompson. Fine, I like them both. I would prefer Thompson over all the GOP, but if we nominate a pandering flip flopping uncredible candidate like Mitt Romney we will lose the general.

The thought of Madaline Albright advising President Hillary on foriegn policy is frankly too friggin scary to contemplate. Do not let that happen.

Brett re: Huckabee
Dream on. Huckabee does not have a prayer (pun intended) to win a national election against either Hllary or Obama. Not only will he lose every blue state that GWB lost but several marginally red states will be turned off by him, notably Ohio, which is the one and only state the dems need changed to their column. IMO Giuliani, McCain and Thompson are the only Repubs who can win in a national election.

Hagar: on amnesty
When NH people think of illegal immigrants, they think of Irish bartenders and vacationing Canadians. They see the rest of America as populated as ignorant racists. They will change their minds once the first MS13 gangsters set-up shop in Nashau (my birthplace by the way).

Problems with John McCain
John McCain doesn't have the temperament to deal with Foreign Policy problems.

If you want your president to be an irascible fool, then McCain is your man. He may be a war hero, and we can all acknowledge that till the sun goes down, but that doens't make him the most qualified temperamentally.

The Election Wizard
Boy, Santorum knows how to get re-elected doesn't he?

I want to read on but...
I don't remember everyone lining up behind candidates in previous years like they are now. It's getting hard to tell who is even trying to be objective. I am sick of the Hugh-Mitt relationship and at least appreciate him acknowledging it. And then there is Rush, who I listened to today while on an errand for work. He spent at least 30 minutes slamming another Republican. What attracts me to conservative columns and radio is a presentation of issues and discussion. Seems that is getting lost somewhere.

Lastly, >50% of the comments are from single candidate supporters with nothing but links to web sites. I am getting to the point where I need every article to start with, My name is... and I am supporting .... Then I can consider the source.

The Paul Connection
Hugh:

I think you underestimate McCain - the GOP wants a winner and he polls best by far against the Dems. Ideology can only take you so far these days and lots of folks will sell their soul for the sweet taste of victory.

Now another related thought for the likely brokered convention. You'll love this one.

Mitt, McCain, Huck, Rudy and Thompson all come in a little short of the required majority. Guess who might hold up to a few hundred delegates in their pocket and be very willing to deal? Yep, the one true fiscal conservative - Ron Paul. What a strange and fascinating ending that would be. Can you imagine Rudy or McCain brown-nosing Paul? Yikes!


Santorum??
Santorum, the poster boy for GOP losers, doesn't like McCain and his conservative rating of 83, but is okay stumping for Specter, who is far less conservative?

Menwhile, facts, those stubborn things, show McCain beating the Democrats in Pennsylvania, which is more than Mitt, or Santorum for that matter, can say.

I've lost a tremendous amount of respect for you, Hugh. What happened to "just win, baby?" Now it's "Mitt at all costs, November be damned."

Even Dean Barnett is being more reasonable, and he lives in MA, so he could be excused for home-town favortisim.

McCain wouldn't be a shill for the Dems - he's one of two, maybe three candidates who could WIN. Rudy's another one. Mitt isn't.

The more I've seen of Romney, the less I like him. After Iowa and NH, I despise his campaign tactics and I agree with Kristol that he had his chance and blew it. The more I see of this blind loyalty to Mitt from you, the less I'm respecting you as well.

There are a whole lot of GOPers like me out there. Our problem is with Hillary and Obama, not McCain, who has a vry good chance of beating them. McCain looked solid in the debate, but you buy into the Mitt spin when Mitt clearly was the one who looked tired and washed up.

Is this your idea of how to win in November?

Medved is right. I'm going to start listening to him, and switch to FM during your hour. I'm sick of wasting my time.

Dean thinks Romney is worn out
I'm not trying to psychoanalyze either Mitt or Rudy. It's just easy to imagine that for both men, the campaign has become an unsatisfying grind. Both have suffered repeated body blows. Rudy's riding a downward wave and seemingly headed to asterisk status. Romney has suffered defeats in the two states he worked so hard to win. While neither man will go all weepy on television over their plight like another famous candidate, they are proud men and the losing is probably eating a whole in each of their guts.

Not long ago, both Rudy and Mitt probably found the campaign exhilarating. It's hard to imagine it being anything other than an unpleasant slog for them right now. If they are in fact looking forward to breaking out their golf clubs, you can hardly blame them.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/01/rudy_an d_mitt_ready_to_break_o.asp

He won't make it
Santorum is right. McCain might (doubtfully) get the nomination, but if he does it will tear the Republican Party down even further than it is now. There are too many who will not soon forget the man he is. A hero maybe, but a President no. I wish he would drop out of the race, but that appears to be no more than wishful thinking on my part. So far as I am concerned he has sold us out politically a few too many times.

asurferiamnot
Some of just DO have blogs and are not wedded to one candidate. But just try to get into an intelligent conversation. You either get beat up here or fall into an echo chamber on the junior circuit.

Obama's staggering win where?
How do we accept your projections when you cannot even get the history right? After reading the following: "and with the collective credibility of pundits and pollsters shattered after Obama's staggering, run-away win in New Hampshire, it has begun to dawn on the commentariat that they have no idea what is going on in the presidential race..."; you begin to wonder. Are you in that much of a hurry to shill for Romney (a Massachusetts liberal's Republican) that you forget to proofread? Or did you believe all of the pollsters and write the column before the vote? Talk about a self-fullfilling prophesy.

McCain
John McCain has the most solid record of upholding our 2nd amendment rights of any GOP candidate with any shot of winning the presidency.

For this reason, and this reason alone, I intend to vote for him in the primary.

Hugh's strategy
Now that McCain has beaten Romney we will see lots of attack articles about him. The truth is that when it comes to past policy Romney does not have any more conservative record than any other Republican, and probably less than McCain.

Hugh if you want to push Romney fine, but push his strengthens not the other guys' weaknesses. The biases in your columns have probably turned me off of Romney more than thing else.

I cannot wait until Romney finally drops out and you turn back into a reasonable commentator again.

Good analysis Hugh but
I think that McShame has won his last State with those “mavericks” in NH. I think it will between Huckleberry and Thompson in Sc and Thompson will take it. Huckleberry will NOT take GA and McShame probably will not take AZ.

It will come down to a brokered convention and that’s too bad because the Party elite think they owe McShame for some reason or another. If that happens most of the real conservatives will stay home in 08 and the outcome will be even worse than it was in 06. The same thing goes for Rudy.

Attacks? No. Questions of POLICY? Yes
The the rabid anti-Romney rhetoric that I have seen from other responders and pundits is a betrayal of Reagan's rule of thumb for Republicans to not attack other Republicans. I believe that he meant that they should not attack the character of their fellow party members, but should question their policies. Romney's ads have been viciously criticized because they "attack" other candidates. I have watched almost every one, and all that I see is a comparison of policy and questioning of records. I do not see any personal attacks, which are what I think Reagan truly warned against.

For those who are uncertain about Romney's honesty about life issues, taxes, etc., remember campaign finance reform (McCain), illegal immigration (McCain, Huckabee), and big government spending (Huckabee). I would rather take my chances on a candidate with a plan to fix these problems than canidates who have waffled on them as late as last night's debate.

Where is Paul?
I love how Ron Paul has more votes than either Thompson or Giuliani and has 2 delegates, yet you still don't include him. Moron as always, ain't you Hewitt?

I love the pundits who say
McCain is the only one who polls well against Obama and Clinton. Go back to the polls in 2004 on Bush and Kerry. The only thing that all of these polls say is...you are idiots to even bother to read the polls. Same goes for any other issue including Iraq.

This kind of politician leader is a "dog leader". For those who walk your dog, he is always way out in front of you. And when you turn a corner, he soon is out in front of you again, leading the way. However, in the meantime he is scrambling to catch up.

Any politician using the polls to set their agenda is a bigger fool than those of you who believe the polls for this reason. Politicians should be leading us to think things, not relying on polls to lead us.

Personally, I lie to any pollster who calls me. Why? Because what I want and who I want to tell is my business, and for all of the above reasons.

Spend the most?
Look Hugh is just going to keep throwing out anti-McCain rhetoric to marginalize him because he fears his victory and that it OK.

The big problem with Super Tuesday for Romney is money which is hard to believe but is true. If Romney loses Michigan, South Carolina and Florida all the money will flow in for McCain, Huckabee and maybe Giuliani. Unless Romney is prepared to go deeper into his pockets and that would be 10 million + deeper he is in trouble.

Also Super Tuesday is big in New York and New Jersey and Giuliani is dropping like a stone in both those states. They are no sure thing.

One thing is clear if Romney loses this election after spending more than the rest of the candidates combined to date that would truly be sad. I think that the new media has changed things greatly. In another era Romney would have coasted.

Michael Bloomberg heed that warning.



RINO KING thats all.
King of the RINO's McCain,
King of the Kerry bud's McCain,
King of the Ted Kennedy water boys,McCain
King of the Gang of 14,McCain
King of the Am-nasty,McCain
or
Good Democrat

take your pick

RINO KING thats all.
King of the RINO's McCain,
King of the Kerry bud's McCain,
King of the Ted Kennedy water boys,McCain
King of the Gang of 14,McCain
King of the Am-nasty,McCain
or
Good Democrat

take your pick

Am I Missing Something?
What is wrong with this story? If the primary contests were structured such that a winner (either by 1 vote or 10,000 votes) received all of the delegates, then one could truly declare a WINNER after each primary. However, since the majority of the state primaries the delegates are portioned to each candidate based upon the popular vote, why does it matter who is first, or second, or third? It is the delegate count that matters. In New Hampshire McCain won by only a few percentage points. However, over 75,000 voted for Romney. Do you throw those votes to the wind and pretend that those who voted for Romney have no say in the electorial process? The answer is no...they are rewarded with delegates representing their views to go the national convention.

Why not step back and watch the delegate count and understand that this is not about "winning" or "losing", but is about harvesting delegates for the grand finale.

How can they nominate Romney....
How can the GOP nominate Romney if he's already shown he can't win Iowa, NH, and Michigan, despite spending a fortune there, vastly outspending all his opponents combined?

How can the GOP nominate a proven loser like that and expect to beat the Democrats, who may have the financial advantage this time as well as the labor union advantage?

If Romney can't win NH, where he has a house, and he can't win Michigan, where his father lived, then he can't win anywhere. For the GOP to nominate him anyway would be sheer stupidity.

If Giuliani comes out of "Super Tuesday" with a delegate lead, then the obvious thing for a brokered convention to do is to fall in line behind him. He's probably the best chance the GOP has to win any Blue States like New Jersey. And while the evangelicals don't agree with his stand on social issues, they don't hate him like they hate McCain, and they don't distrust him like they distrust Romney. At least with Rudy, they know what they're getting.

for DR D
DR D writes: "Why not step back and watch the delegate count and understand that this is not about 'winning' or 'losing', but is about harvesting delegates for the grand finale."

Why don't YOU realize that:

a) That wasn't Romney's original strategy. (He counted on winning Iowa and NH to give him the momentum to the nomination) What he's doing now is an act of desperation since he has no more states he can look forward to winning.

b) All those Christian evangelicals who voted for Huckabee in Iowa and who will vote for Huck in the South, won't fall in line behind Romney if he is the GOP nominee. They will likely stay home on Election Day. And without that base of the GOP, Romney cannot win the election.

one advantage to Rudy
At least if the GOP nominates Giuliani, he will be watched very carefully in his nominations for the Supreme Court. There will be many coming up.

Giuliani would be held to pledges for good judges and in reality, I think he's good for his word IF conservative media keeps an eye on him.

Certainly Romney would get no scrutiny from conservative media; they are all smitten with Romneylove, which I absolutely do not understand. They enable him at every turn and make excuses for his past--if they discuss it at all.

Fred Thompson represents what I believe on almost every subject. Fine man.

aDNA
Thompson o8

McCain & Huck have been babied by MSM &
that would not continue through a general election. Huck lacks substance and McCain lacks self-control. The MSM would have McCain looking like an angry old man by the second week. Huck looks outclassed even with the liberal media pulling for him. Huck would end up winning 100% of the evangelical vote and still end up losing the most lopsided presidential election in history as he alienates everyone else. Huckabee's following won't grow after the field starts to thin.

Noone is staying home.
Hugh can demonize Huck and McCain all he wants, but if either gets the nomination noone in the party will be staying home. Both will make their piece with whomever they need to and get ready for the fight and Hugh will support them.

The real battleground as in all elections is independents. The Republicans captured them in 1994 in the Congress with the Clinton backlash kept them with W with the Clinton backlash and the horrendous Kerry race and lost them with the war backlash and the lost of values.

To get the independents back will need a person who can speak to the economic, social and defense insecurities of the population. I think Huck and McCain and perhaps Giuliani can do it. Romney could have been that person too, but he squandered much in what really was the most terrible campaign since Forbes and the flat tax.

The democrats have something for the three legs of the Republican base to hate. They aren't going anywhere.



McCain or Huckabee?
Forget it, will stay home. A Hillary administration might be entertaining to watch, at least for a while.

Some Conservatives' Foolishness
Rick Santorum, Hugh Hewitt and Rush Limbaugh are being downright foolish with respect to the attacks on John McCain. They vastly overstate John McCain's deviation from conservative orthodoxy and grossly understate John McCain's strengths concerning military matters, national security and foreign affairs. If John McCain is so supposedly left wing (which he is not), then why do major figures from the Reagan Adminstration support John McCain, including George Schultz, Alexander Haig, John Lehman, Lawrence Eagleburger, Dan Coats and Bud MacFarlane? Why are Phil Gramm and Robert Mosbacher one of John McCain's strongest supporters? The answer is that John McCain is a conservative. He is pro-life; he is a fiscal conservative, indeed the strongest fiscal hawk on cutting spending in the Presidential race; and he is the most qualified of the candidates ot be Commander in Chief.

Republicans can win in 2008, but there will need to be effort to attract independent votes and there will need to be party unity. Except for Ron Paul, any of the Republican candidates is better than any of the Democrats. If an anti-military socialist Democrat is elected in 2008, the reason will be stupidity on the part of some conservatives who were unnecessarily devisive within the Republican Party.

Polling head-to-head means zip
McCain is being considered on the strength of his performance in "If the election were held today" polls. The problem is, the election is not being held today. A great deal will change between now and November.

These polls are especially unfair to candidates with little national exposure, like Mike Huckabee or Mitt Romney. They poll poorly in part because some people have never heard of them, or because they've only heard a few seconds on some evening news program.

I can't believe that John McCain would actually win against an energized Democrat party when his own base would largely stay home. McCain has nothing to offer the Republican party but capitulation to the Democrats, and the more exposure he gets, the more that will become evident.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

MA is not winner take all
as I posted at Red State, the State party was displeased with Romney and switched to proportional representation to stick a finger in his eye.

Romney will pull out if he loses
Last year, nothing happened in the Democratic Party without the approval of the Clintonistas. THe Dems have, at the highest levels, arranged for the Michigan primary to "not count", and thus set free their voters to highlight the Republican that they deem easiest to beat.

There is only one way that Hillary would let her forces go out and vote for McCain or the Huckster, that is if she were to run unopposed. And guess what? She's running unopposed.

There are two issues on which the Dems are weak: Amnesty and Voter IDs. There is only one REpublican (I'm not including Fred because I think he's done for) who can ram the Amnesty issue down the Dems' throats, and that man is Romney. The Repubs are being sucker punched.

Not only that, but once we lock onto Rudy or Huck, we are going to discover that they have more skeletons in their closet than you can shake a stick at. Here comes Amnesty - thirty million DEmocratic voters by 2012.

Don't believe an earlier poster
If McCain is the nominee, the far-right of the Republican Party will stay home at election time -- myself included. (Actually, I'll vote for Hillary -- she's preferable to a party traitor.)

An "open" convention where
several cands. have to compete to settle on a nominee is maybe not a bad idea.

Lincoln wasn't nom.'d until the gadzillionth vote in 1860 because the South had seceded, there were factional conflicts between the North and the West, and finally, partly because the convention was in Chicago, IL floated Lincoln as a favorite son.

The primary system that supposedly cured the backroom, cigar-smoking deals of prof. pols has been shown to be as imperfect as any other system when 6% of an illegible voting pop. in a rural state like Iowa can make or break national candidates.

Reps. should back Giuliani, a provem fiscal cons. and exp.'d executive; if not the former mayor, McCain who is a proven hero and leader.

The rel and values cons. who are looking for another Reagan need to discover reality. Reagan wasn't even Reagan. He never did anything about abortion, appointed a couple real clunkers to he Sup. Ct. (O'Connor just resigned but we'er still stuck with Kennedy, who living up to his illustrious name still throws monkey wrenches into the court's decisions), and also allowed the gov't to grow, while espousing ending the Sec. of Ed. position.

Maybe an undecided Rep. conv. would produce the best team to go against the Dem. "promise" machine. Dems. will have more money, be pushing for more Cong. seats, and the GOP will need real strength, intelligence, use of the net to get around the MSM, tenacity, and diligence.

The rel. and values Reps. will have to sign on or face the higher taxes, universal healthcare, military humiliation around the world, homosexual agenda and cultural depravition, "Fairness" Doctrine, and other Dems.' wish lists.

McCain
I can't believe McCain could even win one state. Who voted for this guy? There are nothing but terrible candidates, but he is the absolute worst!

I don't know if I could stay home, but I don't want to vote for any of them. They are all globalist swine willing to sell out our country for a mess of pottage. I expect the next president, (either party), will preside over the end of our country as we know it. None of them are conservative. (Don't pee on my leg and tell me it is raining!!!) If I have to watch my country be destroyed, maybe it would be better to watch the other side do it. I didn't much enjoy getting sucker punched by Bush. ("family values don't end at the Rio Grande". Holding summits the last three years on integration, SPP.)

Welcome to your new, (third world) country the North American Union. I think we are toast. Economic collapse is around the corner and their answer will be the NAU.

You Are A Fool, Hackamore
You are a complete fool, Huckamore, to say you will vote for Hillary Clinton, an anti-miltary socialist who will appoint left wing judges to the federal bench, over John McCain, a pro-life fiscal conservative who is committed to nominating strict constructionist judges to the federal bench and who by far the best candidate to be the next Commander in Chief. Your expressed view reflects an irrational hysteria unconnected to reality. You prove my point in my 8:07 PM post.

REMEMBERING WHY WE DON'T LIKE MCCAIN
Right about now Republican conservatives everywhere are remembering exactly whey they didn't support McCain the first time around. The fact is, this guy is not a conservative; he's a moderate. And we're all remembering it now. There is absolutely NO way McCain becomes the GOP nominee. The party's conservative base will NOT support him. I predict the conservative base will follow the party's talking heads and begin to coalesce around Mitt Romney, who is, in fact, our best hope against the Dems.

Fred Wakeup=Huckabee Victory/Romney Out
Fred woke up a bit in S.C. but many will still conclude he just doesn't have enough drive to go the distance. The result will be Fred wins a few more converts in MI drawing people from both McCain an Romney while Huckabee supporters will remain loyal. McCain will probably draw some idependants, but it will just be enough to beat Romney for second. The momentum will then be with Huckabee to win S.C. and with Rudy low on cash Florida may also go Huckabee's way leaving him poised to lock-up the nomination on Super Tuesday. After third in Michigan Romney will drop out and Hugh will take a break, playing checkers and shuffle board at a nice facility with kind doctors who can help him.

Juan McCain
We DETEST McCain in Arizona----if he becomes the Repub. candidate I will stay home---no vote! I refuse to reward this traitor with my vote.

McCAINE 1 OF KEATING 5!! Wikipedia
McCaine was one of the Keating Five. These were the Senators that paved the way for the $500 Billion Savings and Loan scandsl. Here it is from Wikipedia.

Gray testified that several U.S. senators had approached him and requested that he ease off on the Lincoln investigation. It came out that these senators had been beneficiaries of $1.3 million (collective total) in campaign contributions from Keating.

This allegation set off a series of investigations by the California government, the United States Department of Justice, and the Senate Ethics Committee. The ethics committee's investigation focused on five senators: Alan Cranston (D-CA); Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ); John Glenn (D-OH); John McCain (R-AZ); and Donald W. Riegle, Jr. (D-MI), who became known as the Keating Five.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

To redeem himself McCaine came up with the McCain Feingold legislation which would make it illegal to criticize an incumbent Senator on his record within 60 days of the election. Does anyone else notice this stuff? Next time around this jerk is immune from criticism at election time!

Fool
I know, it has been said many, many times, but I really think Hewitt is a fool. I think Romney may have made him a bit stupid.

Name-calling aside, I think there's a problem with someone's thinking when they open a column pointing out that "it has begun to dawn on the commentariat that they have no idea what is going on in the presidential race," but then somehow manages to lay out what is going to happen with certainty. "John McCain will not win." Talk about muddled thinking.

McCain may not win, but it certainly looks like he has a heck of better shot than Romney. At this point it looks like he could actually beat Giuliani in New York for crying out loud.

Newsflash for Hewitt: the Republican "base" is already shattered.

That was a good one
HAHAHA. I'm a Romney and Hewitt fan but that was funny AnimalFarm

Conservatives can't support McCain
There’s a reason conservatives don't support McCain -- his liberal record. You can't elect someone because he served as a POW 40 years ago.

The McCain domestic record is a disaster.

McCain-Feingold — the most brazen assault on political speech (amounting to an Incumbent Protection Act).

McCain-Kennedy — the most far-reaching amnesty program in American history.

McCain-Lieberman — the most onerous and intrusive attack on American industry in American history.

McCain-Kennedy-Edwards — the biggest boon to the trial bar under the rubric of a patients’ bill of rights.

McCain-Reimportantion of Drugs — a significant blow to pharmaceutical research and development.

And McCain’s stated opposition to the Bush 2001 and 2003 tax cuts based on socialist, class-warfare rhetoric.

As chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, McCain was consistently hostile to American enterprise, from media and pharmaceutical companies to technology and energy companies.

McCain also led the Gang of 14, which blocked the appointment of conservative judges.

McCain’s early support for a surge and counterinsurgency has evolved into McCain taking credit for forcing the president to adopt General David Petreaus’s strategy. Where’s the evidence to support such a claim?

McCain-ACLU — the unprecedented granting of due-process rights to unlawful enemy combatants (terrorists).

McCain has repeatedly called for the immediate closing of Guantanamo Bay and the introduction of al-Qaeda terrorists into our own prisons — despite the legal rights they would immediately gain and the burdens of managing such a dangerous population.

Where was McCain in the lead-up to the war — when the military was being dangerously downsized by the Clinton administration?

Where was McCain when the CIA was in desperate need of attention?

There is a reason why every McCain debate answer works its way back to his having been a navy officer and POW.

To the Gates of Hell
I kind of like the fight in Gov Huckabee, who advocates sending any enemies who set their sights on US targets, right to the gates of hell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyUXdkrwrd4

MITT ROMNEY IS STILL THE BEST CANDIDATE!
Governor Romney who would make the best president by far from both sides of the aisle. He is brilliant, very intelligent, capable, organized, experienced as a leader and has great work and moral ethics.

McCain cannot be trusted...he's a true RINO!
Huckabee would make a very weak, pathetic president who would rely too much on trying to be cutesy, instead of answering the question intelligently. I don't trust him either. No Gomer Pyle or Carter for prezzy!

I'd rather have Guiliani as my second choice than any of the others.

Mitt for President!

WOW!
First, I would ask the readers to become "oriented" by noting what I wrote elsewhere.

http://www.townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2008/01/12/ analysis_huckabee,_thompson_drop_gloves?page=full&comments= true&submitted=truebf1d03f0-7b67-48d1-9b98-3091f4117e47&sub mitted=true9682890f-1b0c-43c4-9ed3-3bd09474b8b0&submitted=t rue5bb4db8c-08bf-42af-850f-57aeb698817c

Second, I would commend fatherinoklahoma for the litany of anti-McCain data. I wonder if he might elaborate on two of the references, please....

McCain-Lieberman — the most onerous and intrusive attack on American industry in American history.

McCain-Kennedy-Edwards — the biggest boon to the trial bar under the rubric of a patients’ bill of rights.



Hewitt shills for Romney
Nothing wrong with that.

He is entitled to his opinion.

Drudging up the comments of a two-term senator from Pennsylvania(who was soundly defeated in his reelection bid)to criticize McCain is a bit desperate, especially since dailykos.com has told its leftist flock to support Romney in Michigan where democrats can vote in the GOP primary, presumably because these leftist dems want to keep Romney's bid alive.

One has to ask why. Perhaps they think he is the easiest GOP frontrunner to defeat in the general election.

Who Says McCain Is The Only One
that can beat the Dems? The polls you say, hahahahahahahahahaha! The polls???

McCain might be able steal some of the moderate votes from Dems in Nov (not many), but he will lose the conservative repub base. TOAST! Picture McCain in debate after debate with Obama. Not a pretty picture.

We need a new face speaking for change that is good, conservative change, trim government change, end earmarks change, stop the flood of illegals change, etc. etc. McCain should have already spoken out and acted. He didn't! Thompson id in eight years in the Senate what he is doing now, lip service not much else.

I don't even need to mention the mess that has turned into the Huck. He is a laughing stock even before the Dems start to rip. Rudy not a conservative period.

If you take an honest look, Mitt Romney is the only hope to bring together the conservative coalition needed to beat the dems. He has made a carreer of looking problems in the face, overcoming and succeeding. He will do that for the GOP also. Picture Romney in debate after debate with Barrack or Hill, I think you get the picture.


McCain/Huckabee
or Huckabee/McCain or Guilani/Huckabee or Huckabee?Guilani are the only tickets that have a, pardon the pun, prayer of winning in November. Why because Mitt is gone, Fred is dead and Ron Paul couldn't win if everyone else running died. We will have a brokered convention and Mike is going to win the south and have the most votes going to the convention. He may even win California and then all the pundits will figuratively fall on their swords.

Without Huckabee the people who do the grunt work for the party are not going to show up with enthusiasm and the republicans need that to win. The democrats are charged up so the republicans will need the base charged up as well. So Hugh and alll the others in the party better get with the program and quit slamming Mike because it is you who are ripping the party apart not Huckabee.

None are perfect
but a Romney or Huckabee nom. will make the race about religion.

McCain has been in DC alng time, so he has a long history.

Fred, Tancredo, and Paul are done.

Giuilani isn't a soc. cons. but a genuine fiscal cons. The Dems. would prob . spend time on his marriages, but that would leave h. also open to her peculiar marriage.

Eveyone in public life for any time will have piled up negatives. A friend always tells me the firemen hate G., but what she means is the union hates G., and always did, because he wasn't a great capitulator to NYC pub. unions that were helping to bankeupt the city before G. was mayor.

G. has the tenacity, ambition, focus, and exp. as an elected exec. leader, which senators do not have. He will attract crossover Dem. votes (he did in NYC or couldn't have been elected) and independents, who in some states, now make up the majority of eligible voters.

But I could vote for McCain. He is a genuin war hero. That stiff stance the idiot MSM is now noticing is because he cannot raise his arms or move his shoulders from having them constantly broken and rebroken while he was a POW. He mentally and physically fought the Vietcong in prison for five years. I suspect that gives him plenty of stamina to fight that boa constrictor the Dems. will likely nom.

Santorums comments are
some of the very reason's I support John Mccain.

He won't go along with the herd just to be liked by the likes of Santorum and others who IMO aren't qualified to carry his luggage.

A conservative record of 83 over a 20+ years career is plenty good enough for me and McCains quals as CinC make him the perfect candidate for the times we live in.

The islamocrazies will get a wrong message if this country puts clinton or obama in the WH, they have zero respect for women and will recognize that neither of them have a clue about international affairs or the use of our military.

They are both socialists and obama is naive in the extreme. Both would be disasterous.

In a debate with either dem, McCain will easily be seen as the only adult on the stage who can keep this country safe and reform DC.

I'd love to see him deliver an address on the budget pointing to each one of these pork-barrelers on TV and announcing how much of the taxpayers money he/she purloined for their own self aggrandizment...Believe me, it would only have to be done once.

Romney losing votes to Huckabee...

Michigan was Romney country... until Huckabee came to town.

Huckabee is grabbing a big chunk of the Christian vote from Romney. If Huckabee wasn't in it, Romney would beat McCain in Michigan. If Romney drops out, Rudy is a solid winner.

The winning combination could be McCain/Romney or Romney/Huckabee.

Something has gotta give.

The only value in this article
is that NONE of the GOP candidates are carrying the conservative torch. What we need is a standard bearer who can clearly deliver the conservative message as eloquently and simply as Reagan.

This will be a watershed election for leadership of the conservative agenda, perhaps as dramatic as 1976. True conservative leaders are out there; Santorum anyone?

Crooks for President!! Both Parties
Almost a Who's Who and many are running for President including #1 Clinton, #5 Giuliani , #6 Huckabee and #8 Obama. Are we a pathetic nation or what? This is as you can see an unbiased list from a non profit. Are any of these someone we really want for President???

Hillary is well Hillary.

Giuliani is a NY power broker guy, nuff said.

Huckabee destroyed taxpayer equipment, what did he hide? Suing the states ethics commission looking out for the taxpayer!! TWICE

Obama like Harry Reid and Clinton, shady real estate deals, campaign business in taxpayer facility Bill Clinton/Gore)

Both Fred and Hunter are likely
finished as candidates.

Seawolf, I agree on McCain, and that any of the three little pigs the Dems. have as "frontrunners" will create havoc in the Middle East, denigrate the military (Bill never learned to salute correctly the Marines who would've given their lives to save his), consume more private production into the great maw of gov't administration, and create recession with taxes and spending. See the Carter administration.

THE REAL HUCKABEE
HUCKABEE has over 400 hundred ETHICS VIOLATIONS and violated Arkansas law by giving President Calderon of Mexico a $1.00 per annum rent on a Consulate to be built in Arkansas to hand out ILLEGAL MATRICULAR CARDS to ILLEGAL ALIENS!

The links below will give you THE REAL HUCKABEE while he Governor of Arkansas and why he should not even be a candidate for POTUS. He would be worse than HRC or Obama as POTUS!


http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/002611.html

http://illegalprotest.com/2007/12/17/gilchrists-endorsement -of-huckabee/

http://freedomfolks.com/blog/2007/12/11/midday-mind-blower/

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/12/11/minuteman-project-foun der-endorses-huckabee/

THE REAL JOHN McCAIN
Does anyone remember the Lincoln Savings and Loan and the "Keating Five"? Senator John McCain was one of those five. Alan Cranston (D-CA); Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ); John Glenn (D-OH); John McCain (R-AZ); and Donald W. Riegle, Jr. (D-MI), who became known as the Keating Five.

"In one incident in 1987 regulators were taken to task by five leading senators over the pressure that regulators were exerting on the activities of a specific S&L, Lincoln Savings & Loan. The controller of the S&L, Charles Keating, a politically well-connected developer, and his assembling of the senators - known in later press accounts as the 'Keating Five'. $153 billion - easily the most expensive financial sector crisis the world has ever seen. Of this, the US taxpayer paid out $124 billion while the thrift industry itself paid $29 billion..."

To FromTheTop1
And what were John McCain and John Glenn found to have done wrong? And don't do what one poster did once and cite to a newspaper article about Alan Cranston and claim falsely it was about John McCain.

If Huck or McCain get the nomination....
If either of these 2 libs win the nomination, this conservative is definitely staying home for the general election. I refuse to vote for a liberal in Republican's clothing.

Didnt we learn the lesson of 2006?? That lesson was that Republican's that go to Washington to spend money and grow government are losers, and that's exactly what Huck wants to do. He built roads for the children? Please! That sounds like something a Clinton would say!!

How can any true conservative Republican even dream of voting for McCain after he tried to force an amnesty bill down the throats of Americans that would have destroyed the Republican party and destroyed America?

And dont get me started on McCain-Feingold. Amendment 1 of the U.S. Constitution: "Congress shall make no law that limits freedom of speech" The founding fathers wrote this law so that that people could speak out against the government without fear or reprisal. McCain basically spit on our Constitution with that bill and it saddens me to even think of it.

McCain & Huckabee would fit in much better if they were running as Democrats!

Regarding possible nominees of the General Election
Romney or Thompson: Id proudly vote for either of them fine men b/c they are the only conservatives in the race. I agree more with Thompson, but I think Romney is the only conservative that can beat the Dems in the debates.

Rudy: I dont agree with him on everything but Id have no problem with him as the POTUS if it keeps the Dems out of the White House.

Ron Paul: I think he's a nut but he's better than the Dems; although I dont agree with his position on Iraq.

Huckabee: Id have a hard time voting for him. Id have to think long and hard but probably would not vote for him. I think Id rather stay home.

McCain: NO WAY in Hades would I ever vote for this man! I'll write in a candidate before I vote for him.

Keep In Mind
As a matter of policy, I press for specifics about accusations is that Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter were both accused in the last several years of various illegal activities. We live in a world in which accusations are made, often by liberal political hacks, to disparage, that are without merit or do not involve any real wrongdoing.


fatherinoklahoma's list: "Gang of 14"
An example of the irratinal hysteria afflicting conservatives about John McCain is fatherinoklahoma's Saturday 2:08 AM post purporting to list issues. Let's take one and see how it is just dead wrong and confirms my Friday 8:07 PM post.

It is asserted that "Gang of 14" blocked appointment of conservative judges. Not so. What the "Gang of 14" refers to is the compromise reached by certain Senators to enable, without altering Senate rules on filibusters, Bush judicial nominations to be voted on. The result was that John Roberts and Sam Alito were confirmed to the U.S. Supreme Court and a number of conservatives were confirmed to the U.S. Courts of Appeals. Absent the compromise, the Chuckie Schumer Democrat filibuster was halting the confirmation of Bush nominations. The only other alternative to the compromise was the so-called constitutional option altering filibuster rules. We do not know that it would have worked. We do know that with the compromise, critically important confirmations were achieved and the fillibuster rules were preserved for a time when there would be a Democrat Congress, which in fact was elected in 2006. At this point it is Chuckie Schumer who is complaining that it was the Democrats who got snookered by the compromise. Yet, John McCain is castigated for something that Chuckie Schumer is very upset about. Wrong.

Hugh keeps
dissing McCain on electability, when current polls show he is the most electable. Could Hugh or others of a similiar mind please give us their analyses (and please be specific) of how Mitt is more electable when he is losing by wide margins in current head to heads, while McCain is comfortably ahead of Clinton and even to slightly ahead of Obama.

Also I saw a poll of Economists this morning on who would be best president for the economy, McCain got 39%, Obama I think 14, Rudy 11, and so forth.

Thompson Voted For McCain-Feingold
Another issue listed by fatherinoklahoma was McCain-Feingold.

When criticizing John McCain for McCain-Feingold, however, keep in mind that the lawyer and conservative Fred Thompson voted FOR McCain-Feingold, which was an attempt to regulate the electoral process in ways so as to reduce the influence of money on politics.

The Irrational Hysteria
I keep reading posts by some on this site who say that they won't vote for John McCain and will either stay home or vote for Hillary Clinton or stay home (which is almost tantamount to voting for her): hackamore last night was one; J.D.,Ph.D another lst night; and now Dan in SC this morning.

You are complete fools proving my point about an irrational hysteria afflicting some conservatives in my Friday 8:07 PM post. Hillary Clinton is an anti-miltary socialist who will appoint left wing judges to the federal bench; it will be worse than the Carter Administration and the country canot afford that. In ocntrast, John McCain, the son and grandson of U.S. Navy Admirals and a Navy combat aviator, is a pro-life fiscal conservative who is committed to nominating strict constructionist judges to the federal bench, cutting spending while preserving the Bush tax cuts and who by far is the best candidate to be the next Commander in Chief as his knowledge and experience concerning military matters, national security and foreign affiars. This is why he has the endoreements of such people as former Secretaries of State George Schultz, Henry Kissinger, Lawrence Eagleburger and Alexander Haig, former Navy Secretaries John Lehman and William Ball, former Cabinet Secretaries (outside State) Jack Kemp, Robert Mosbacher and James Schlesinger, former natioanl security officials Bud MacFarlane, Robery Inman and James Woolsey and former Senators such as Phil Gramm.

No Hysteria Here...
I am not hysterical over McCain. This isnt like the Bush derangement syndrome that we see from the left. I pay very close attention to politics and the truth is, I can't think of the last thing that I agreed with John McCain on. Ever since he lost the election in 2000, it seems that he's moved more and more to the left. All of his bills have the names of some of the most liberal democrats attached to them along with his name.

The thing is, I have not only disagreed with John McCain over the last 7 years, his actions have out-right angered me time and time again. From block Bush appointees, to voting AGAINST the Bush tax cuts, to buying into the Global Warming Hoax. Why in the heck would I want to vote for a man like that? If I want something like that, I might as well vote for Hillary so if staying home is the same as voting for her then so be it. Maybe it will take a Carter (Clinton) before we get another Reagan.

Most of you seem to be angry
at the various candidates for not being perfect candidates. They are simply pandering to be elected. Except for Fred Thompson, we do not have candidates following their principles. And he is not entertaining enough to be elected by the short attention span voters.

I am angry at voters for being uninformed and for asking government to do more and more for them they should be doing for themselves.

"McCain Apologetics" on Immigration
(Full Disclosure: Conservative for McCain)

The self-appointed Mullahs of Conservative Doctrine (as they interpret it, of course) have drawn out their knives are going after John McCain. High on the list of his offenses that the Mullahs find most egregious is immigration.

The fracas of this fall's failed immigration reform left the stain that Mac supports amnesty for and is generally soft on illegal aliens. McCain did learn from this debacle that the problem of illegals now in the country cannot be addressed until the inflow of illegals is stopped (for the sake of intellectual honesty, this means ending all sources of illegal entry, such as expired visas, as well as physical border protection). McCain claims to have heard this message loud and clear. He advocates harsh penalties for businesses that knowingly hire illegals, deportation of illegals with criminal records, and a process to work out the rest of the disastrous mess caused by two decades of neglect. A true conservative would advocate that this process must be congnizant of an individual's freedoms and civil liberties, but many public conservative voices seek to kindle a directionless neo-nativist anger about the presence of illegal aliens with silence on the details as to how to implement a realistic path for repatriation or assimilation and citizenship. It's easy just to say Nyet, but the problem is still there, and McCain is correct in saying that doing nothing on this part of the problem is de facto amnesty.

loco
Here's a bright spot for you. Say the libstain's win. They've already got the Kongress' rating the LOWEST IN AMERICAN HISTORY!

Team Communist, oops, Liberal will so p*ss off the people that Jindal will easily win in 2012 and the libscum will be set back 20 years!

The American people may be slow to wake up but when Hitlery gets the nom, after Soros pays for it, bye-bye commies.

Dont forget one more thing about McCain.
The man seriously considered becoming John F. Kerry's running mate in 2004. Isnt that enough to keep him from being the party's nominee????

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjUzOGY0ODA1YzBmNjFhOW E5NWU0OTY5NTZiOGNhOGQ=

IF IT GOES TO THE CONVENTION

.....Unless the Republican Party wants to scrap the platform that Reagan ran on then Fred Thompson should come out on top in a Convention battle ...

.....Fred is the only 100% lifetime Conservative in the race ...if the Party rejects him then they are rejecting the Conservtism that the Party was based on .....COLOSSUS

Great Article
That is exactly how I see it as well....

Bob Dole (I mean John McCain) and Jimmy Carter (I mean Mike Huckabee)will definitely inter this party and insure a Republican defeat in the Fall...

If anyone has an ounce of objectivity they would have to admit that there is not a better candidate to deal with the economy isses than Romney... He is clearly the best Manager available... and a Manager is what we need.

Phil if voting for
someone you cant stomach vs someone else you cant stomach makes sense to you fine. But stupid or not if my choice is a republican liberal vs a democrat liberal I will stay home. If the party I am registered in cant field a decent candidate then why should I bother? 2008 is a test for the republican party if it ignores its conservative base many of us will stay home. Not only that I believe it, in the long run, will create a third party which is probably a good thing.
I for one will not vote for Huckelberry or McShame.

Phil you are wrong
You are dead wrong on your annalysis of the Gang of 14 issue.... It was about stopping the filibustering, but as you may recall, the Republicans at the time were going to vote to overide the Demos ability to filibuster... McCain single handedly prevented that by organizing this Gang to agree to have certain onservative Nominee's thrown out or rejected in exchange for the Demos agreeing not to filibuster....

Roberts would have got through regardless of this Gang's actions, and Alito would have had the same result as well.... it was the next layer down where McCain screwed the Conservatives.... If he had not come to that agreement we would have had more conservative judges approved.... plain and simple.

Say goodbye to 2008
Bottom line---the Republicans are a fractured party with factions that don't particulary like or understand each other. They have a poor field of candidates this year. Every one of them has serious problems of character and/or electability. If the economy seriously tanks before the election (as appears increasingly likely) there is no way the voters will elect any one of these guys.

Byler, it's not hysteria
It's a knowledge of history.

"You are complete fools proving my point about an irrational hysteria afflicting some conservatives in my Friday 8:07 PM post"

I have long said that if Hunter or Tancredo are NOT the nominees, I will vote for Hillary.

Why? You said part of it yourself:
"Hillary Clinton is an anti-miltary socialist who will appoint left wing judges to the federal bench; it will be worse than the Carter Administration and the country canot afford that."

She's not a socialist, actually, she's a communist.

If I give you a choice, a long, slow painful death by cancer, or a quick death by a bullet in the brain... which are you going to take? Once it becomes obvious that death is the final result either way, that is.

For decades we've been forced to choose the lesser of two evils. They tried that in 1980, but thank goodness we DID have President Reagan to vote for. Always when we choose the lesser of two evils, we still draw closer to the evil.

The only cure is to elect a nationalistic conservative - Hunter or Tancredo will do - and as that's not going to happen, our choices are a quick death or a slow painful one.

And if we kill the country quickly, in the painful days that follow liberals will take the beating they deserve and *maybe* there's a chance we can rebuild a new nation on the ashes of the old, with safeguards against being destroyed by the lesser of two evils.


Conservative Values
Conservatism works, pandering the the liberals looses every time! The exception is when you're able to hide what is not conservative until after you're elected.
We see various different philosophies of what each of the candidates consider to be conservative. I only see two such candidates that actually practice those conservative values. Unfortunately, it seems that most people that wish to vote for their choice of republican candidates are ready to abandon their conservative principals for what I have to assume to be identities...

Guiliani - Great reaction to a horrible disaster during his watch over NYC. Abandons Conservative values in regard to illegal immigration, appointed liberal judges, weak on 2nd ammendment, and the list goes on.

Romney - Ran a Blue state with a fair rating on conservative financial record, great financier and businessman. Sometimes can't put a nail on which side of the issues he want's to take, so hard to say what he will do after the vote.

Huckabee - Ran a Blue state with accomplishments being that he beat the Clintons, strong on religious issues important to the conservative base.... Terrible with taxes, terrible with illegal immigration, terrible promoting business.

McCain - War Hero! Senate Intelligence Committee. Terrible on illegal immigration, horrible on taxes, too cozy with Liberal Elites...

Thompson - Never lost an election, 100% Conservative voting record, Has real solutions to problems facing the US. Don't like his shoes, he has a young wife, Doesn't play the Media Game..

Duncan Hunter - Excellent on Illegal immigration, Has solid ideas on Foriegn Trade, Good conservative voting record, Did start building the "Fence"! No name recognition, Doesn't play the media game, basically pushed out of the race by the media....

You have to decide what you want in a Leader....

jdw
Thompson/Hunter would work for me.
I could even go for a Romney/Hunter Romney I believe would be good for the economy (more so than some of the others).
Another point I can remember (yeah Iam old) when the candidate was actually selected at the convention. Delegates waited till then and negotiated. That may happen again and I think it may be a good thing. Why let polls and the media decide?

No, that IS the problem
"McCain did learn from this debacle that the problem of illegals now in the country cannot be addressed until the inflow of illegals is stopped (for the sake of intellectual honesty, this means ending all sources of illegal entry, such as expired visas, as well as physical border protection)."

Curing that addesses the problem.
You, like McCain, are pretending that the real problem is the difficulty w*b*cks have in getting to this country to perform there slave labor.

"silence on the details as to how to implement a realistic path for repatriation or assimilation and citizenship."

I am not silent. THERE IS TO BE NO CITIZENSHIP FOR ILLEGAL INVADERS. Period. There can be no assimilation, because they are refusing to assimilate. They are parasites, not symbiotes.
As for repatriation, I am willing to compromise; remove illegals from the protection of law and allow them to self-deport.

(this is a compromise, because the solution I want is for the gov't to pay a bounty for illegal aliens' heads.)

Yes, I am "nativist". I want my people in my country and everybody else to stay in theirs except as tourists. If you want to become one of "my people", follow the path we've ALREADY laid out.

We the people of the US...UNDER GOD....
WE ARE CHOOSING to elect a U.S. President...not the pros Hugh writes of...nope, we the people.

Reagan from heaven with my Dad, a WWII vet, would both look at the scrapping Grand Old Party of the people and cry--if tears were allowed in heaven.
Looking at the foibles of and misinterpretations of fact promulgated by Ann, Hugh, and Rush I am appalled. They remind me of the articles written by journalists to 'support' the Clintons--sound and tempest (void Void VOID of COMPLETE truth)
--SIGNIFYING NOTHING.

America, kneel to God and you will kneel to no mere man...not even a manipulative, mean, fear mongering conservative or a manipulative, mean, fear mongering liberal--BE BETTER THAN THIS.

HUGH YOUR PREDICTIONS ARE MEANT TO DISSUADE THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE, TO CONTROL THEM. WE WILL HAVE NONE OF YOUR RHETORIC DEFINING OUR FUTURE.

I have a question for Guilliani
(semi-off-topic, but someone mentioned Rudy)
Mr former-mayor Guilliani, I have a question for you:

Right after 9/11, a Saudi raghead offered something like 10 million in such an insulting way that you rejected it.

Today we still deal with the Saudis as if they were our friends.

In a recent debate, you referred to Israel as one of our closest allies. We give billions to Israel, which I support. You want to defend Israel from her neighbors, which I support.

What I want to know, Mr. former-mayor, is, if you become President, what are you going to do for our friends?

What will you do for Enosaen? Will you build a school there? Will you provide funds for sanitation? Will you encourage U.S. businesses to do business with this small Kenyan village? Set up factories there?

In short, Mr. former-mayor, will you actually try making a distinction between our FRIENDS, our PARASITES, and our ENEMIES?

We have 1 friend in this world. And the only way I will back off my commitment to vote for Hillary if Hunter or Tancredo doesn't get the nomination would be if the nominee swore publicly to dump prosperity on Enosaen.

You want America to be respected in the world again? Reward our friends and punish our enemies.
You want my vote... take care of our FRIENDS and F* our enemies/parasites.

Robert - I ain't leaving the party
"The Republic goes on...ARbusto has proven that

But please leave the party and vote for HRC...when we win (McCain) you are OUT."

The Republic goes on... you're plagiarizing.

You're plagiarizing a Roman citizen circa 409 AD.

They too thought the "Republic" would go on forever... long after it was already dead inside.


McCain And The Keating 5
Thanks for reminding me of that McCain shame. Unbelievably I had forgotten all about it. I was living in Az at the time and it was big news. What a mess we are in as Republicans with so many of our front running candidates having such deep rooted smelly skeletons in their closets.

McCain - The Keating Five refers to a Congressional scandal related to the collapse of most of the Savings and Loan institutions in the United States in the late 1980s… In 1989, the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association of Irvine, Calif., collapsed. Lincoln's chairman, Charles H. Keating Jr., was faulted for the thrift's failure. Keating, however, told the House Banking Committee that the FHLBB and its former chief Edwin J. Gray were pursuing a vendetta against him. Gray testified that several U.S. senators had approached him and requested that he ease off on the Lincoln investigation. It came out that these senators (McCain) had been beneficiaries of $1.3 million (collective total) in campaign contributions from Keating…
After months of testimony revealed that all five senators acted improperly to differing degrees, the senators continually said they were following the status quo of campaign funding practices…The committee recommended censure for Cranston and criticized the other four (Senator McCain) for "questionable conduct."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

Just how is it that McCain is a leading candidate for President?

poyman - not so fast!
The MoU from the "Gang" guaranteed three out of the five nominations being considered for circuit courts to go through. The Alito nomination was facing a fillibuster, the Gang voted for cloture. Another nominee to district went through; three other nominations from district appointments were ultimately overcome by events - the 2006 elections.

So, the agreement that the Gang brokered did get four district nominations through, two Supreme Court slots filled - all within the year before the 2006 off-year elections. The Senate rules have been preserved, not a bad thing now that the Dems own the Hill.

Enoosaen
To explain my previous post (before I had to break off to respond to Robert)...

Google "Enoosaen".

That was the little village in Kenya that offered us 14 sacred cows after 9/11. Yes, I'm a racist, yes I use the "n-word" when seriously aggrevated... but I still get tears in my eyes when I recall Enoosaen. Because *I* can tell the difference between a friend in spirit and a friend you BUY.

From the New York Times (hopefully they seem to have most of the facts straight...)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A07EEDD133A F930A35755C0A9649C8B63

"Through his tales, Sept. 11 became real. The Masai felt sadness. They felt relief that Mr. Naiyomah was unscathed. They wanted to do something." (the mouse that felt sympathy for the lion)

"Today, in a solemn ceremony in a grassy clearing, they did, blessing 14 cows being given to the people of the United States. Elders chanted in Maa as they walked around the cows, animals held sacred by the Masai (often spelled Maasai). After the blessing, the cows were handed over to William Brancick, the deputy chief of mission of the United States Embassy in Nairobi."
(remember the song of the little drummer boy? All he had to give... he gave.)

Rant continues

"But, he said, transporting them would be difficult so he will probably sell the cows and buy Masai jewelry to give to America."
(And another of America's ambasssador's f*s up again; FIND a way to get the cows here, dammit, we're the U.S.!)
"''They couldn't believe that people could jump from a building so high that they would die when they reached the ground,'' he said."
"There are three most cherished things that a Masai can offer as a gift -- a child, a plot of land and a cow, which is far more than a source of meat and milk."

"''That guy -- surely we would have to kill him,'' Mr. Oltetia, the village's chief warrior, said of Osama bin Laden. ''We as the Masai have ways to kill, just using a spear and bows and arrows.''"

And we spend billions giving our 'allies' tanks and bullets and guns and they still will only fight for us if we give them cash, too.

I gotta go now, I need a Kleenex.

Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians
of 2007 - Judicial Watch - Lest We Forget

Number 5 - Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R-NY): Giuliani came under fire in late 2007 after it was discovered the former New York mayor’s office “billed obscure city agencies for tens of thousands of dollars in security expenses amassed during the time when he was beginning an extramarital relationship with future wife Judith Nathan in the Hamptons…” ABC News also reported that Giuliani provided Nathan with a police vehicle and a city driver at taxpayer expense. All of this news came on the heels of the federal indictment on corruption charges of Giuliani’s former Police Chief and business partner Bernard Kerik, who pleaded guilty in 2006 to accepting a $165,000 bribe in the form of renovations to his Bronx apartment from a construction company attempting to land city contracts.

Number 6 - Governor Mike Huckabee (R-AR): Governor Huckabee enjoyed a meteoric rise in the polls in December 2007, which prompted a more thorough review of his ethics record. According to The Associated Press: “[Huckabee’s] career has also been colored by 14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his use of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his destruction of state computer files on his way out of the governor’s office.” And what was Governor Huckabee’s response to these ethics allegations? Rather than cooperating with investigators, Huckabee sued the state ethics commission twice and attempted to shut the ethics process down.

Just how is it that these dishonorable people:
McCain, Guilliani, Hucklebee, Hillary, and Obama are the front runners in the election to preside over the single most important governing office in the world? Are the voters in this country insane?

Hugh...a mere man...sound and tempest...

THE CRIPPLED PRISONER OF WAR, WITH WHITE HAIR SPEAKS WITH A WHISTLE DUE TO TEETH BEING KNOCKED OUT AND A BROKEN JAW. HE HAS WISDOM FROM MEDITATING FOR 6 YEARS IN A CRAMPED CELL--THINKING--REMEMBERING OUR NATION BEING DEFEATED BY A THIRD RATE COUNTRY..AMERICA TOO WEAK TOO AFRAID TO RESCUE OUR OWN SOLDIERS AND HOSTAGES...SURE, WE'RE NUMBER ONE, SUPER POWER, FEARING TO ACT, AFRAID OF THE U.N. AND NO ROLE MODEL TO A WORLD -- BEING ATTACKED BY TERRORISTS. WHO IS WISE?? WHO HAS WITH ONGOING LIFE AND EXPERIENCE?? LEARN FROM THE BIG MISTAKES OF AMERICA. WHO HATES/LOVES A DEFENDER OF THE HELPLESS? WHO HATES/LOVES A BULLY? BIG DIFFERENCE IN THESE ANSWERS.

THE WHITE HAIRED MAN WHO BLESSES GOD IS BLESSED & WISE...COME LET US REASON TOGETHER. NEWSPAPER ARTICLES AND ACCUSATIONS DO NOT A CRIMINAL MAKE ...satan IS THE ACCUSER OF THOSE WHO DO RIGHT, AND GOD IS THEIR DEFENDER. Take sides between these two super powers...and know GOD WON, EVIL IS PAID FOR ON THE CROSS for all of us who dare cross over to stand with GOD for righteousness and truth in our time, in our country.

"God's people, called by HIS name (Christians) are humbling themselves and praying and seeking God's face (not MSM or Hugh, Rush or Ann--who seem to wish they were MSM--not Rick who didn't get re-elected as a Senator)then GOD WILL HEAR FROM HEAVEN, FORGIVE OUR SIN, AND HEAL OUR LAND."
"Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and LEAN NOT UNTO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING...in all YOUR WAYS acknowledge HIM and HE will direct your paths." THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO HUGH IS KNEEL AND PRAY, AND A SILENT, EMPTY COLUMN FROM YOU WITH FOUR WORDS..."ONE NATION UNDER GOD..." MIGHT REVEAL ON WHICH SIDE YOUR BREAD IS REALLY BUTTERED...and ours. His Word is bread indeed, living water indeed...and LIFE. Get a life, please...Rush, Ann, Hugh...your disrespect and dissonance convinces me you've lost your way.
(Proverbs of King Solomon, 3:5,6)


The media
Is shoving this Rino down our throats. And the Indepentent and Democrat votes in the primary are trying to make either McCain, or Huckabee our nominee.
They are both Rinos, but McCain is even worse that Huckabee, which is going some.
I agree with Laura Ingraham that said we are on the verge of voting in an entertainer in chief, and not a commander in Chief.

jdw writes:
"I am not silent. THERE IS TO BE NO CITIZENSHIP FOR ILLEGAL INVADERS. Period. There can be no assimilation, because they are refusing to assimilate. They are parasites, not symbiotes.
As for repatriation, I am willing to compromise; remove illegals from the protection of law and allow them to self-deport.

(this is a compromise, because the solution I want is for the gov't to pay a bounty for illegal aliens' heads.)"


Wow. Well, good luck with that. How about sinking the boats that come from Cuba, too? Or is that different?

Keep the good in mind...all have erred..
HMMMMM--McCain/Pawlenty or Huckabee/McCain or McCain/Huckabee...GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH...FOR FREEDOM GOD HAS SET US FREE.

America abandoned the people of Laos and Cambodia, who used their 'spears' to help in the fight for freedom...and lost their lives for freedom and were herded into camps where they were starved, abused, killed, separated from loved ones--and we looked the other way. Have we learned to love the alien and the stranger, the orphan and the widow, and to speak for those who have no voice, and to defend the fatherless? May God forgive us...I repent of the crimes of abandonment of those who need us, those who have been our friends. Brown nosing the big powers is less powerful in God's sight than lifting up the abandoned and abused--CREATED IN HIS IMAGE...AS YOU DO IT TO THE LEAST OF THESE YOU DO IT TO ME...now Who said that? Self defense yes, and defend those who have no hope, and hope will rise like a phoenix out of the ashes of our American failures. God forgives...ask, and DO BETTER.

NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS....GOD OR MONEY...hark hark AMERICAN PEOPLE...conservatives and liberals...you will love one and hate the other CAN'T LOVE BOTH...WHOM OR WHAT DO YOU LOVE....??? We are divided...but over money, greed and the faith of our fathers..."I set before you two doors...life and death. CHOOSE LIFE...AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE WE WILL SERVE THE LORD..." AND ONE ANOTHER. JOIN JESUS AND VOTE...AND WHEN YOU VOTE, CHOOSE LIFE THAT LASTS ON INTO MORE FOR AMERICA THROUGH ONGOING FAITH IN THE LIVING GOD OF OUR FOUNDATIONS AND FUTURE.

Not a lot different
"Wow. Well, good luck with that. How about sinking the boats that come from Cuba, too? Or is that different?"

Lessee... refugees from Cuba are escaping a totalitarian communist state. Refugees from Mexico are escaping a corrupt capitalist state. If the Cubans are caught by their gov't, they will be harshly punished. If the Mexicans are caught by their government...

Not exactly the same situation, is it? There's a difference between the huddled masses yearning to breathe free and the swarming masses yearning to make a buck.

createinmeacleanheartJESUS
If what you love is money...

Serve God and you will have money.

Dunno where I heard that, but it sounds better than what you're saying.

Sometimes you see Christians starving...
In general I agree with you...but enslaved people are not free to work and choose and succeed or even get educated.

Set them free....

Thanks for the 'better' way of saying it, though, jdw.

Sorry for rambling...
Umm, when a senator points his finger at me and slings hyperbolic ad-homonym criticism for opposing his naked amnesty plan (any solution which includes granting citizenship) I tend to take it personally. (Screw you McCain)
When a senator repeatedly sides with the party of "NO!" at critical points of legislation, I question his loyalties.
When a senator spends the bulk of his time hiding from the public (when not campaigning, or sitting on Deface the Nation backstabbing the President)closeted with the most repugnant rinos (Hagel, Lugar, Feingold) and the most delusional and leftist dems (Kennedy, Reid, Durbin) cooking up "compromises" and approaching everything from a "Bi-partisan" perspective, I seriously doubt his dedication to pulling this country away from the cliff we're teetering on.
The gang of 14 did zero to further conservative goals; nay, it only allowed the pols to keep filibustering alive and well.
It might have given us Roberts and Alito- but excersizing the nuclear option would have done the same, and would also have let the POTUS have the rest of his judicial nominations going forward at least come to a vote.
Do not doubt for an instant that the majority dems will not hesitate to go nuclear the moment a dem president nominates a judge, and McCain and his thirteen coven members will be left looking bewildered and exposed for the fools who lost the republicans the majority in the first place.

To poyman
No, I am not wrong about "Gang of 14." What you state as fact about what would have happened if the Senate compromise had not been reached is wishful thinking about the situation. The real situation was far, far more uncertain; and had the so-called constitutional option failed, no conservative gets confirmed, which is what was Chuckie Schumer's object. To be confirmed, judicial nominations have to get to the floor, and that is what the fillibuster was preventing. And am I wrong to point out that preservation of the fillibuster has been useful with a Demcrat Congress in power and that Chuckie Schumer is the one who is fuming about being snookered? I don't think so.

jdw, to be consistent
to your nativist beliefs you cannot distinguish between the two. Given that your first inclination is to put their heads on a spear, who cares why they came here and what will happen to them if they return? I mean, there must be some Cubans who come here just to make a buck. The guilt of some trumps the innocence of others, right?

Also, the guys serving in the armed forces - whose folks are illegals - are they parasites, too?

I am not advocating open borders, free-passes, nor ignoring the rule of law. I advocate solving the problem rather than posturing and chest thumping.

To jdw
History should teach you that we cannot afford a Democrat Administration that will be worse than the Carter Administration at a time that we are at war with the radical jihadists. So-called conservative Repuiblicans who are talking about voting for Hillary Clinton instead of John McCain are subject to an irrational hysteria and are not, in my view, conservative.

Byler - pay attention
to what I am saying:

"History should teach you that we cannot afford a Democrat Administration that will be worse than the Carter Administration at a time that we are at war with the radical jihadists"

No, we cannot... If Hillary becomes President I'm confident that the U.S. will collapse shortly thereafter. Allowing us to rebuilt a new nation while I'm still young enough to appreciate it.

Better a quick death for the nation under Hillary than a slow one under any of the liberal Republicans. Hunter or Tancredo or Hillary. Those are the choices.

Airgun, with all grace and respect,
you're wrong. The Gang of 14 got us two Justices, some District Judges, and preserved the Senate rules. Remember, it was summer of 2005, and the process could have been stalled a lot longer with worse consequences. Or Frist could have gone nuclear and we could be suffering the fallout.

jdw writes from his bunker:
"...Better a quick death for the nation under Hillary than a slow one under any of the liberal Republicans. Hunter or Tancredo or Hillary. Those are the choices."

Better check the CO levels in the bunker, dude.

John McCain's......rise?
I realize how tiny my little world is.

But,almost everywhere I go, ie. on-line, talk radio, Tv,(which is the worst place)speaking with friends and collegues, in the doctors lounge etc. wherever and whenever I 'cacaus' the folks who are the real conservative WILL NOT or cannot go with McCain. There appears to be a very deep-rooted feeling of dislike or perhaps distrust, or both. I've tried to keep an open mind but there really is sustance to what they say.
He(McCain) refuses to admit that the last bill which was knocked down was indeed an amnesty offer.He still wants a 'workers' program. He almost believes that the troop surge was HIS plan, before anyone thought of it, including GW.
He has trully embarassed this president on multiple occasions....and my word, that campaign reform deal is a real infringement on our rights.....I can understand dems for wanting this bill BUT REPUBLICAN MCcain?
It's a little bit much to swallow at one sitting don't you think? Republicans might sit this out....and then look what we get!!!!!Abominabil-Hillary slashing and trashing us into another malaise, I remember what that felt like...getting up in the dark during winter..to get gas to drive to a job that paid about 1/2 % less every week...helacoptors grounded in some desert....students rounding up our diplomats..yeah, she sure does have something to offer us...and it's ALL BAD. We had better nominate a conservatine,who can beat Abominable-Hillary

Rollcast - fine then
"to your nativist beliefs you cannot distinguish between the two. Given that your first inclination is to put their heads on a spear, who cares why they came here and what will happen to them if they return? I mean, there must be some Cubans who come here just to make a buck. The guilt of some trumps the innocence of others, right?"

Wrong. My first inclination is not to put their heads on a spear. My first inclination is to chain-nuke the southern border with the dirtiest nukes we have. Let em cross through that, and we can shoot em in the dark.

There are NO Mexicans who came here to escape communist oppression. There may be some Central Americans, I'll grant you that, but we can trust our good, compassionate friends in Mexico to keep them from getting to the U.S... can't we?

I'm all for sinking boats from Cuba. I think the Cubans should stay in Cuba and fight to wrest it away from Castro. But, that doesn't mean there's not a difference between someone escaping a communist regime and someone coming to suck the prosperity from the U.S. while polluting our culture and damaging our economy.

Just how many Cubans escape to the U.S. by boat and make it to land per year? Compared to how many illegals flooding our border, per day?

I don't care if the invaders are Scots-Irish; I see what they're doing, I see their lack of assimilation, and I don't want the future they are bringing to what is still my country (as opposed to their country).

Rollcast - not a "dude"
"Better check the CO levels in the bunker, dude."

Better check a history book out of the library, "dude". Library... that's a building where they store knowledge. Knowledge... that thing you appear not to have.

(fyi, "history" didn't being the day you were born).

History Repeats... always
"From one perspective, at least, the Romans were overwhelmed by numbers— not just in this encounter but during centuries of migrations across the porous borders of the empire. Sometimes the barbarians came in waves, though seldom as big as this one. More often they came in trickles: as craftsmen who sought honest employment, as warriors who enlisted with the Roman legions, as tribal chieftains who paid for land, as marauders who burned and looted and sometimes raped and murdered."

Keep laughing, "dude".

Rick is Wrong
As a Pennsylvania Republican, I can attest that Rick Santorum knows nothing about the base of the Republican Party. His miserable performance in 2006 is testament that he and those like him no longer (if they ever did) represent the base of the Republican Party. John McCain would beat him 2-1 in a head to head matchup in PA. When will you so-called conservatives recognize that John McCain represents more of the ideals of the Reagan Revolution than the perverted views of Santorum and company.

McCain "learned" from the amnesty bill..
debacle AFTER he realized he needed to try and convince(i.e. doop) Republicans to vote for him in the primary. He says he understand we need to secure the borders "first." What that says to me is that he still wants to give amnesty after he addresses the border (which I doubt he will). My suspicion is, he would try to ram-rod his amnesty the first day he took the Oval Office. After that he would continue his assault on our constitutional freedoms - McCain-Feingold was only the beginning.

Pray the people in my state (SC) defeat this poser and send him back to the Senate. I cant understand any poll that shows him leading, or even being competitive in a state as conservative as South Carolina.

McCain is an MSM shill.
McCain is not a Conservative and can't carry the Conservative base!

MSM promotes McCain to help elect Democrats.
McCain is the weakest candidate Republicans could possibly find.
Donald Duck could unite more Conservative votes than McCain!

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=/Politics/archive /200702/POL20070214b.html

hah
"When will you so-called conservatives recognize that John McCain represents more of the ideals of the Reagan Revolution than the perverted views of Santorum and company"

When it becomes true. McCain is as much a Reaganite as Bush is. That is to say... not at all.

jdw you prove my point
You can't recognize that McCain represents the beliefs of the Republican Party. Like Santorum, you preach that anyone who doesn't blindly follow the drink-the-Kool-Aid positions espoused by a few loud entertainer/commentators is not a "true" conservative. You think that if you just keep saying it, it will be so. The fact is, John McCain represents the Republican Party better than any of the "conservatives" (as you define that term) in the race. Tell me, who was the last "conservative" (as defined by you) who ever won a national election? Would Ronald Reagan have been considered a conservative by Santorum standards?

Personal to Hugh Hewitt


I have a big complaint to tell Hugh Hewitt, even though it applies to his radio program, and not this column.

Hugh gives commercials for the worst traitors of our country, the lawyers. He says, “Friends don’t let friends plead guilty.” That is a lie, a fraud, and a statement made only by someone who does not care about this country.

Friends, lawyers, judges, and even broadcasters must insist that all guilty persons be found guilty, and all innocent people be found innocent.

If you were driving under the influence, you are guilty, friend or enemy, or whoever, and you must be found guilty. If your defense lawyer knows you are guilty, he must be executed if he gets you declared innocent.

His job is to defend the Justice System, not the individual.

The time that a person’s character and background comes into play, is when assigning the penalty, not in finding guilt or innocent.

We have a legal system created, and operated by and for a lawyer's wallet and his ego.

What we need is a Justice System, concerned with the guilt or innocence of the defendant. A Justice System run for the people. Nothing more, nothing less.

Have you ever heard even a hint from a so-called defense lawyer, that he would demand justice for his client? No he wants the client to be found innocent, regardless … … … .

An innocent person is convicted when incompetent, vainglorious lawyers act for their own benefit with little or no regard for the victim, the accused, the Justice System (as it should be), our country, or the general public.

And on and on. I believe most lawyers have proved by their actions that they are traitors to this country. For example the cigarette, hot coffee, step ladder lawyers, and Edwards who has stolen over $1,000,000,000 from the Health Care Industry, and put many doctors out of business.

Isn’t his wife lucky that her cancer doctor was not put out of business by the actions of her husband.


nominations
Pre-primary many of the grassroots conservatives were leery of McCain, were he to run. Many had discounted him from the beginning, even weighing a face-off between him and Hillary. What about any Supreme Court nominations and fed judges? McCain can do his thing; but leader of the party he is not.

What worries me
is what I see as an attempt to redefine conservatism. I am also concerned about those who on on and post sneering comments about conservatives without revealing their disagreements together with facts to back them up.

loco, please expound
how is conservatism being redefined? State what you feel are essential conservative principles.

Let's review
According to posters here, the following are "dead"

Rudy
McCain
Mitt
Huck
Thompson
Hunter
Paul

Personally, I think also Keyes, Hillary, Obama, Dodd, Biden, Kucinich, and Edwards are also dead.

Now that we have that cleared up, can we please stop the idiotic and sophomoric statements about who is "dead"?

I do wish that Hunter would withdraw. His votes then go to Thompson, the ONLY demonstrably true conservative left in the race.

For the life of me, I simply do not understand either Huckabee's or McCain's allure given that Thompson is a far better choice for conservatives who would otherwise be voting for either of those two.

I do understand why some conservatives might prefer Mitt over Fred given that some prefer style over substance but I have yet to see a single rational reason for any conservative to vote for anyone but Fred.

If everyone who said that Fred is the best choice except he "doesn't have fire in his belly" would actually vote for him, he would get the nomination going away.

Dan in SC
How is the McCain plan amnesty? Please explain in detail. If you don't like his plan, then describe a *workable* alternative that ultimately solves the 20+ million illegals problem. I'm sincerely curious.

loco
McCain's record speaks for itself.
Amnesty & McCain/Feingold.
The NRA calls McCain the Manchurian Candidate.
That describes his stand on the 2nd Amendment.

What worries me?
I watched Moonbats on a thread discussing Ron Paul, pretended to be Ron Paul supporters, insult Conservatives who were not Ron Paul supporters and cause discord when they were accepted by Conservative Ron Paul supporters.

I hope Conservatives can detect any future Moonbats causing discord and send them back to CodePink where they belong!

Fred's statement on immigration:
(from his website)

"The United States is a nation of immigrants. Throughout our history, legal immigrants have brought energy, ideas, strength, and diversity to our country, our economy, and our culture. This must continue. But in the post-9/11 world, immigration is more of a national security issue.

"A government that cannot secure its borders and determine who may enter and who may not, abrogates a fundamental responsibility. I am committed to:

"Securing our borders and enforcing immigration laws. Amnesty is not an option and the toleration of “sanctuary cities” must end.

"Reviewing our immigration laws and policies to ensure they advance our national interests.

"Uniting Americans by welcoming legal immigrants willing to learn English, assimilate into our communities, and become productive citizens."


How is this position statement really any different the Mac's? In particular, if that last paragraph were from a McCain statement, wouldn't there be a cry of "Amnesty!" ?

To Rollcast
McCain advocates the "path to citizenship" approach. This is amnesty in that it allows the lawbreaker to keep what they stole. He has advocated fines (which technically would make it more "amnesty lite", to people coming to the US illegally but given that it would be next to impossible to collect these fines, it is a toothless proposal.

So, in the end, the lawbreaker gets what he came for and pays no penalty for it. THAT is why it is called amnesty.

As for an alternative plan:

1. Seal the border tight
2. Cut off all welfare, state and local, to illegals
3. Prosecute companies who hire illegals.
4. Cut off all federal funds to "sanctuary cities".
5. Anchor babies are allowed but their parents are not. (actually, the anchor baby scheme should be revisited but that is a court issue).
6. Anyone found to be to be in the country illegally will have their future right to become an American citizen REVOKED PERMANENTLY.

Do these 6 things and illegals will self deport.

You can't possibly be serious Rollcast
McCain is the AUTHOR of the amnesty bill that 80% of Americans rose up against last year.

The man is a disaster re: border and immigration policy.

As for your question about the difference between McCain and Thompson? Thompson uses the correct term "legal immigrants". McCain is for a "path to citizenship" for ILLEGAL aliens.

HUUUUUUGE difference.

Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants


and being an AMERICAN in 1907.


"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin.

But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here.

Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Every American citizen needs to read this!

---

Can we vote for Teddy as a write in?

definitions
Rollcast,

Fiscal restraint spending –
any questions about that?

Limited government –
opposed to unlimited government.

Originalist interpretation –
if the constitution is followed;
the parasite of oversight. (Look at the evolving federal register.)
By and for the people into government-by government(and for gov't) fiat.
Securing the freedoms of all people rather than select, if any. And eminent domain abuse.

USMC LIEUTENANT: Ummmmmmmm! Interesting!

Hadn't thought about that possibility before!

Interesting just WHEN frobrusto showed up on TH!

Interesting his ravings and often incoherent rants (but then so are HELLary's!)

That is surely something to consider...


Kind of like those guys who showed up with the "Iron My Shirt" signs, who many suspect were a clinton plant to give her a chance to "say what she wanted" similar to the previous plants.


Have to give this some thought.

But, if frobrusto IS a plant, couldn't her campaign had done just a little better.....?




Oh wait, of course not! frobrusto is typical of that mentality.







Yes, McCain cut the deal with Kennedy
over the "immigration bill" but has now said he realizes how strongly the electorate feels about not giving away the rights of citizens to illegal aliens.

Even his state of AR was against him on that one.

But he has an overall rating of 83% from the ACU, which is not perf. but is prob. better than either Bushes.

What more perfect person do you want to support who can actually WIN a national election?

McCain's bi-parisanship is not all negative. To win, a Rep. pres. candidate needs independent and crossover Dem. votes. Remember the Dems. for Reagan? No, well they gave him his landslides, because there are not enough cons. or evangelicals to do it.

jdw cites the Fall of the Roman Empire:
"From one perspective, at least, the Romans were overwhelmed by numbers— not just in this encounter but during centuries of migrations across the porous borders of the empire. Sometimes the barbarians came in waves, though seldom as big as this one. More often they came in trickles: as craftsmen who sought honest employment, as warriors who enlisted with the Roman legions, as tribal chieftains who paid for land, as marauders who burned and looted and sometimes raped and murdered."

I think the comparison to the imperial Rome is erroneous. Earlier waves of immigration to America had many of the same messy issues - language, assimilation, displacement, etc. Yet the country survived, indeed it flourished. Except for extremist groups like La Rasa, I don't think that most people cross the border with dreams of Reconquista. Why can't we be grown ups about this, recognize that our government has let the problem fester for twenty years so that the "simpler" plan of Illegal Roundup cannot be done, decide to enforce the borders and effect a workable plan of repatriation or naturalization?


Thanks, jim
for the TR quote! Bully!

Can conservatives rally behind TR?

Anne: But Remember What Wildwest
told us about the (ahem) men who follow Helliry; she is the man they want to be. It fits; doesn't it? :-)))

Renny writes:
"What more perfect person do you want to support who can actually WIN a national election?"


#3: Huckabee
#2: Mitt
#1: Fred

McCain doesn't even come close.

He is against non-lethal methods of interrogation
He is an open borders advocate
He was part of the disastrous "gang of 14"
He is the author of McCain/Feingold

He is also testy and a loose cannon who has, during his political career, been more interested in himself than his country.

He is not a RINO in the conventional sense of the term but he is definitely a psuedocon


em: You are funny! True! I had forgotten
.

Rollcast: I'm in broad agreement and
would add one thought. First is to get control of the border, which has everything to do with security and nothing to do with racism.

Then, and I do hate to lay burden on employers but in this case we need to, whack businesses that employee illegals. If the people who are here illegally can't find work then we won't need to round them up. They will head back or turn themselves in. In any case, as you observe, it is going to be messy.

-------------------------------------------------

Rollcast writes:
Saturday, January, 12, 2008 4:09 PM

... our government has let the problem fester for twenty years so that the "simpler" plan of Illegal Roundup cannot be done, decide to enforce the borders and effect a workable plan of repatriation or naturalization?

Rollcast
People are what define a nation.
The more people there are and the better educated they are, the more powerful and prosperous the nation.
Those who come here legally to obey our laws, join us and build a better America are most welcome.
Those who sneak across our borders to steal infrastructure, undermine our wage structure, rob, rape and kill are not welcome.
___________________
That said;
Illegals could be forced out of America within weeks by using the same method BATF uses to confiscate property gained through drug traffic.
Money earned by hiring Illegals is money earned by criminal activity.

The IRS pays informants 10% of monies recovered.
The INS could do the same.

That would shut off all employment for Illegals.
BUT;
It would also close down many small employers for a short time and cause a drastic loss of tax revenue.
(Not to mention domestic help!)

BUT, BUT;
If Illegals are granted Amnesty they will merge with our lawful work force, drive all wages down and their old employers will simply hire the next wave of cheap Illegal workers.

It is not a simple problem and no simplistic solution will solve it!

Beeblebrox's plan:
1. Seal the border tight
Mac agrees.

2. Cut off all welfare, state and local, to illegals.
I think there is uniform agreement with this, except for maybe Huck.

3. Prosecute companies who hire illegals.
Mac agrees. How about getting a lot more of the GOP on board with this? Mitt, call your gardener.

4. Cut off all federal funds to "sanctuary cities".
I think there is uniform agreement on this.

5. Anchor babies are allowed but their parents are not. (actually, the anchor baby scheme should be revisited but that is a court issue).

Tell us how you make this work. Would the kids become wards of the government? It would take a Consitutional ammendment to change this otherwise.


6. Anyone found to be to be in the country illegally will have their future right to become an American citizen REVOKED PERMANENTLY.

They'll just come back, but I agree with your sentiment. Also, let's get the criminals out.


With much of this I think that some illegals would go home, and others would pony up the fines to stay.

Do you think Mac wouldn't go for this?




Beeblebrox - regarding Fred
I would bet a shiny new quarter that if illegals paid the fine and submitted the paperwork that Fred would reclassify them (as long as they check out as good folk).

To rollcast...
Here's what I would do about illegal immigration. I think its basically the same or similar to what other conservatives have said on this forum:

1.) Build the fence that was funded by congress last year! No more excuses. Get it done. Also increase the number of border patrol agents.

2.) Start enforcing the laws against illegal immigration that are already on the books! We dont need more new laws - just enforce the ones we have. Penalize the companies that hire the illegals, and hire more enforcement officers if needed.

3.) I dont advocate going around and looking for illegals to round up and send back, but I do advocate sending them back as they are discovered either through work-place raids or when they are arrested. If someone is arrested, the first thing the authorities should do is check their immigration status and if the are found to be illegal, then deport them!

4.) Stop providing federal funding for sanctuary cities. For a city to brazenly defy the federal governments laws against illegal immigration should mean that that city gets no federal aid, and the officials of the city should be prosecuted.

5.) Lastly and certainly not leastly, the border patrol agents should not be afraid to do their jobs! The two agents that were jailed for 10+ years for trying to stop an illegal drug trafficker (Ramos and Compean) should be pardoned immediately. Thats one of the only things I agree with Huckabee on this matter.

for Loyaltee
Loyaltee writes: "I predict the conservative base will follow the party's talking heads and begin to coalesce around Mitt Romney, who is, in fact, our best hope against the Dems."

I'll ask again:

Suppose Romney loses Michigan too. Then how can you POSSIBLY claim that a guy who lost three open votes in diverse states (Iowa, NH, Michigan) is our "best hope against the Dems"? How is a proven loser like that going to win anything in November? If Independents refused to support him in the primaries, what's he going to do to win them over in the general election?



Good discussion, folks!
Gotta sign off for now, will respond to definitions of conservatism tonight.

(Disclaimer: Conservative for McCain)

A fusion ticket at a brokered conv.
From the comments here, it's pretty clear that a large part of the GOP base absolutely hates every one of the GOP front-runners except one: Giuliani.

Social conservatives may disagree with Giuliani. But they still respect him.

So if we end up with a brokered convention, I suggest a fusion ticket to the delegates there: Giuliani for President and Huckabee for Vice President. And put it to a vote on some ballot.

That's really the only ticket I can see that won't cause some bunch of delegates to walk out.

Cheer up Romney Backers
Romney is in the best position, given the fluidity of this race. Almost all of Talk Radio has opened up on McCain and Huckabee as liberals. Most primaries will be closed to independents and Dems. Fred has been a weak fund raiser and weak campaigner. I like Fred but that leaves Romney in the long run as the candidate of Talk Tadio and the only viable conservative. Most primaries are proportional and Romney will continue to get lots of delegates.

This is becoming a battle for the future, heart and soul of the Rep party. Talk Radio is not going to let the MSM give it to a liberal.

Even if McCain wins the next couple of primaries, Romney is the most likely candidate to emerge as the anti McCain. In essentially a two way race Romney will win many of the states.

Huckabee has to win SC or FL to be viable in the longer run. Romney has the anti immigration block for support and money. That block is as big and as motivated as Huck's religion only crowd. As long as Romney can get funding he can pick and choose the CDs and states and max his delegates. He can win a brokered convention.

Fred may not have the money to stay in after SC. Much of his vote will go to Romney. Rudy and McCain will divide each other (new poll in NY that shows a dead heat). Huck will start to lose traction as Talk Radio take over the negative heavy lifting that Romney had to do in IA and NH.

This is a bloody marathon. Romney has the best staying power. One of the survivors has to be a conservative as 2/3s of the Rep Party are conservative.




USCM Lt.
AZ did in fact just pass this law and one of the most liberal governors in America signed it into law. Even she understands the threat to our economy from having an open border.

Im with you though, it wont be long before the ACLU and libs start demonizing it and pushing for its repeal or trying to get it overturned in the courts. The ACLU is the most anti-american group to ever organize in America.

McCain no better than Bush
No Thanks to McCain...a revolting pick for the presidency. I wonder too who the heck is voting for this traitor??? Has the entire conservative bunbch gone NUTS!!! This man isn't even a RINO...he is a full fledged LIBERAL LOON. Never mind he is so old he will probably kick the bucket before he even gets a chance to take office.....I have as much contempt for him as I do for Bush...and aren't they both one and the same???

McCain and Huckabee
To all of you defending John McCain, or saying you are going to vote for him because Hugh Hewitt is so against him, you MUST talk with most republicans in Arizona, of which I am one.

Arizona republicans will not vote for John McCain . . . NEVER! He's a war hero, a lousy senator (from Arizona), and a lousy republican. He has done many things in our state (local issues) that have made republicans extremely angry. WON'T VOTE FOR HIM in the primaries!

Concerning Mike Huckabee, he is a good man, and right on the social issues, but is every bit a democrat on domestic and foreign policy issues. WON'T VOTE FOR HIM in the primaries!

I will cast my vote for either Romney or Guiliani in the primaries. Haven't quite decided.

In the general election, however, I will vote for whoever is nominated, because we cannot let the democrats run the White House.





Can't vote for McCain even in a general
election. McCain would be liberal, even as a democrat. McCain has given us McCain-Feingold (restricting political speech), McCain-Kennedy (providing amnesty to all illegal immigrants), McCain-Lieberman (imposing a global warming tax on American companies), McCain-Kennedy-Edwards (for trial lawyers), McCain opposition to Bush Tax Cuts in 2001 and 2003, and the McCain Gang of 14 (preventing approval of judicial nominees).
Even on national security, McCain would be a disaster. McCain says he wouldn't allow waterboarding even to save an American city and McCain supports the granting of constitutional rights to foreign terrorists and has repeatedly called for the immediate closing of Guantanamo.

If this is what the future brings, I would at least like to blame it on the democrats.

Romney vs. McCain Jobs?

Communists meddling in our Politics?
I can't recall a single instance where Conservatives have voiced any preference for one particular Democrat candidate over another.

Perhaps someone has and I have not noticed.

Why do Democrats express a preference for a Republican candidate they do not intend to vote for anyway?

Kind of make you feel like telling them to go back to CodePink where they belong and mind their own business?

USCM Lt..
Unfortunately the Michigan is an open primary. And to make matters worse, Hillary Clinton is running in the Democratic primary UNOPPOSED meaning that the democrats of that state have no reason to vote on the democratic ticket. This means many of them will vote on the Republican ticket and vote for their favorite liberal Republican - John McCain. For this reason alone I fear that McCain will win Michigan but once again he wont win the Republicans.

My father is a life-long democrat and has never voted for a Republican in his life, but he's telling me he'd vote foe McCain if he gets a chance. That should tell you something right there!!!


Democrats for Romney?
Read why the Daily Kos want Dems to vote for Romney in Michigan! What do you think?

From Daily Kos

In 1972, Republican voters in Michigan decided to make a little mischief, crossing over to vote in the open Democratic primary and voting for segregationist Democrat George Wallace, seriously embarrassing the state’s Democrats. In fact, a third of the voters (PDF) in the Democratic primary were Republican crossover votes. In 1988, Republican voters again crossed over, helping Jesse Jackson win the Democratic primary, helping rack up big margins for Jackson in Republican precincts. (Michigan Republicans can clearly be counted on to practice the worst of racial politics.) In 1998, Republicans helped Jack Kevorkian’s lawyer — quack Geoffrey Feiger — win his Democratic primary, thus guaranteeing their hold on the governor’s mansion that year.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/democrats-for-romn ey

Sit Home
I will sit home if McCain gets the nomination. I hate the mans guts for what he has done to the conservative movement and he is disgrace. The only reason he did well in NH was because its a liberal state. Michigan we face a similar problem because Democrats can come out in large numbers and vote for him but obviously never would in the general election.

A Quote, or a slam
Rollcast writes: Saturday, January, 12, 2008 4:13 PM
Thanks, jim
for the TR quote! Bully!

==========

I assume you were quoting Teddy, and were not calling me a bully!!

Bully! Bully! Bully! Bully! Bully! Bully!

Will you lose your job in 2008?
MSN-Though the job market isn’t in tatters, there are plenty of loose threads, and they’re likely to unravel further this year into full-fledged holes in some industries.

One problem, economists say, is that the job market will continue to feel fallout from the subprime mess despite about 153,105 job cuts announced last year at financial-services companies — about three times the announced cuts each of the previous two years, according to Challenger, Gray & Christmas, a Chicago outplacement firm.

That’s not all. Many economists predict a slowing economy ahead, and that means “there will be an almost across-the-board slowdown in employment growth,” said Michael Montgomery, a principal with Global Insight, an economic forecasting firm in Lexington, Mass.

WATCH VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/will-you-lose-your -job-in-2008

Texas Winner Take All
So, my state of Texas, with 140 winner-take-all delegates to be awared in the primary on March 4, may turn out to be important after all. Last year everyone down here was thinking it would all be over by the time our primary rolled around. I haven't seen any polls, but the fact that Giuliani was endorsed by our unpopular governor (He won with only 38% of the vote in a 3-way race in November 2006.) will definitely mitigate against him.

McCain? No, thanks.
I would never cast a vote for Hillary, but not voting is always an option. Much to my chagrin, I voted for George W. twice. I'm paying much more attention to past votes and positions this time around, and Juan McCain is one of several Republicans for whom I refuse to vote.

The only thing McCain has going for him:
Is that he is more conservative than Rudy.

To SteveL.

Rudy is hopeless and guaranteed to lose the GOP the presidency if he is nominated. I would vote for Ron Paul before I voted for Rudy. He is a liberal through and through.

Remember, there are three legs to the Reagan conservative stool:

Fiscal Conservative (He has recently talked a good game but Rudy is a liberal and liberals like to spend other people's money - he left NY with a 4.5 Billion dollar deficit.)

Social Conservative (even Rudy doesn't claim to be one)

National Security Conservative (Rudy isn't one, he presided over a sanctuary city for Pete's sake!) His views on immigration put him in the open border's camp along with McCain. Sorry, Rudy is the LAST person that conservatives will vote for.

Hewitt on McCain
Hewitt was dancing on McCain's alleged grave last summer, and lately he's been vigorously shilling for Romney (the fact that he published a bookk about Romney couldn't have anything to do with that, of course). To Hugh, the big news last Wednesday was that Romney had just raised $4 mil (which Romney could have done by writing a check), not that McCain had won New Hampshire. Hewitt continues to insist that a McCain nomination would split the GOP base, ignoring the fact that McCain now leads in national polls of Republicans, and acclaiming the pro-abortion Giuliani as his second choice (talk about splitting the base!). Hewitt has become totally irrelevant to the debate.

Robert Robert, Captain of the Head
In speaking up for McCain you have just proven yourself to be a radical Leftwing Liberal!

Don't try to pass yourself off as a Conservative again because you have exposed yourself.
The only thing Conservative about McCain is the source of his campaign funds!

Knowing McCain's record it is plain to see why you nut case Liberals would try to own both candidates in the National Election.

Duncan Hunter, decorated combat Marine
Duncan Hunter is the candidate that Michael Reagan says is most like his father. Laura Ingraham mentions his name before she mentions Romney as her preferred candidates.

If you are reading this, you need to do some homework and find out why most of the bloggers on the website, Tancredofancampaign.com, official fan campaign of the former Tancredo campaign are supporting Duncan Hunter. The issues addressed on that website concern far more than the few very informed people there.

The fight against the globalist subversion of our political and governmental systems is being waged by both conservatives and liberals, or progressives if you'd rather. What unifies the Ron Paul and John Edwards' supporters on many of these issues is Lou Dobbs. The elite marginalized all candidates who do not take strong positions favoring free trade agreements such as NAFTA and CAFTA as almost a form of religion.

The elites are hedging political outcomes just as they are hedging their financial ones. And anybody who does not understand that controlling the media through the power of ownership is easy for these financial titans. And anybody who thinks that their interests are the same as that of the majority of middle class Americans is naive.

Get over it, Hugh!
After dancing on McCain's alleged grave last summer, Hewitt has become a total shill for Romney (no doubt it's a coi8ncidence that he published a book about Romney). Hewitt ignores the national polls showing McCain leading among Republicans, and acclaims the pro-abortion Giuliani as is second choice (talk about splitting the base!). Hewitt has become irrelevant to the debate.

-- Randy

Who Really Knows Best?
A Must Read:
Saturday, January 12, 2008
Senator Santorum and Michael Gerson On John McCain (Bumped)
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 5:07 PM
UPDATE

http://www.townhall.com/blog

A hack for a cultist
Hewitt sickens me! First his silly attacks againsy the main Christian in the race, Mike Huckabee, were incredibly unfocused and wrong. Now, McCain threatens his cult hero, Romney, and he attacks a war hero.

I am not a big McCain fan, but he's better than a Satan worshipper. I am an evangelical Christian. Romney will nevewr get my vote. Think back about 10 years - Bill was dropping his pants in the Oval Office, and kids across the country started experimenting with oral sex. If we put a cultist in the White House, how many will have their souls condemned to hell. That is absolutely unacceptable. Let's not forget, Romney was to the left of Teddy running for the Senate not so long ago. He did nothing to stop the assault on marriage.

I hope the GOP does not drive out the evangelical base. We were critical to getting and holding the White House in the last 2 elections. There will never be another Ronald Reagan in my lifetime, but a satan worshipping cultist will destroy the conservative coalition.

Alan Wood

Many new members support McCain?
Kinda makes me wonder if they were bussed in from McCain Headquarters?
Or maybe from the DNC?
They attack our TH authors just like real Moonbats do.

They all sound different from our usual Conservatives at TH.
Most of us hate McCain with a passion!

Romney supports gay marriage & adoptions
Mitt's a disaster for the GOP. Pro-family leaders from Massachusetts have traveled to Michigan to point out Romney's complacency if not support for gay marriages and adoptions.

See: http://christiannewswire.com/news/980065330.html

More at rightsmart.blogspot.com

Did Hugh barrow this question from Lisa?
Lisa: ``Mr. Burns: your campaign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?''

----------------------------------------

OK, Hugh didn't ask Mitt Romney this question - but he sure came close. Hugh simply has no more credibility on the 2008 election since he became a shill for Mitt.


I'll vote for McCain,Giuliani or Thompson.

I'll sit home if Romney is the nominee.

I'll cross over and vote for the Democrat if Huckleberry is the Republican candidate.











True Conservatives
Rush said it best when he said you know who the true conservatives from the liberals and the MSM. The liberals & MSM are very anxious to claim the candidacy of the conservative candidates to be dead. The always tell us that if Romney doesnt win Michigan or if Fred doesnt win SC then they are toast. I refuse to let liberals and the MSM tell me which candidates are viable on the Republican ticket. We all know they are drooling for a McCain or Huckabee nomination so that the conservatives will stay home and the Dem (Hillary or Obama) will coast to a general election victory.

Romney/Thompson '08!!!

Mitt's moral ambiguity
First off I agree that the amnesty bill is a bad mark on Mccains record. But isn't Romney's support for abortion even more unacceptable? Isn't supporting the murder of unborn children more repellent than trying to pass an amnesty bill? If Republican pundits can forgive Romney for promoting infanticide surely they can find it in their hearts to forgive Mccain.
Overall, Mccain has a far more CONSISTENTLY conservative record than Romney. While Republican pundits bash Mccain over a few mistakes, they graciously overlook Romney's pro-abortion, pro-fee, pro-gay, anti-gun, pro-Planned Parenthood record (and for the record, Romney also expressed support for the Mccain/ Kennedy amnesty bill).
Please Michigan... anyone but Romney. If you don't think that Mccain is conservative enough, vote for Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter. ANYONE but Romney. We need someone with integrity, not someone who will ditch their values as soon as public opinion changes.

Whither Conservatism?
Some thoughts I've had about the tragedic self-cannibalization of the conservative cause:

http://deaddrifts.blogspot.com/2008/01/mccain-taking-flak-o r-conservative.html

Comments encouraged.

Logic still applies

MRS. PADDY in response to my post, "Which Call Does Pres. Palin Answer?" writes: " It is the same as every other mother and father that has chosen service to country. What do you think those in the military do? Last time I looked, Palin has a husband that shares the responsibility for her children. Are you saying that only childless people should be in public office? Or serve their country? How ridiculous!"

Sarah Palin, who prides herself on being a good mother, gave birth only A FEW MONTHS AGO. How many mothers who've just given birth are willing and ready to detach themselves from the nurturing process for so young an infant? A nurturing process men are not equipped to handle for a child so young. Especially given the physical condition of Gov. Palin's child.
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