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Friday, January 04, 2008
Hugh Hewitt :: Townhall.com Columnist
The (Really) Long Campaign
by Hugh Hewitt
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Maybe illegal immigration doesn't matter that much after all?

Maybe the Reagan coalition is in fact dead.

Mike Huckabee won Iowa and John McCain is leading in New Hampshire. Neither candidate is in step with the GOP base on immigration, with John McCain voting for social security benefits for illegal aliens and Mike Huckabee supporting in-state tuition for illegal alien students. (Both have also made statements that their opponents have characterized as being pro-amnesty though both deny they are pro-amnesty.) Tom Tancredo's own effort fizzled and his endorsement of Mitt Romney didn't carry the former Massachusetts governor to first place in Iowa. Listening to conservative talk radio hosts, the passion they brought to defeating McCain-Kennedy not once but twice is missing from their electoral analysis.

In short, has the anti-illegal immigration bubble burst?

Or do we have an unusual Iowa electorate believing what they want to believe about Mike Huckabee and ignoring his past positions as well as his dumbfounding statements on foreign affairs, and the Yankees of New Hampshire simply wanting to stick it to Romney because he was, until today, the frontrunner?

Are we now into the long, long campaign, or just watching the petering out of the GOP tide of the past quarter century?

In 1976, Ronald Reagan refused to take early losses as a reason for exiting and made Gerry Ford go the distance. Every step of the way Reagan fought for ideas, and refused to accept defeat. He didn't win that nomination battle, but he did win the war for the GOP's heart. Because he refused to quit and because he believed in the ideals of small government, low taxes, liberty and a strong defense.

To survive another second place finish in New Hampshire, Mitt Romney has to communicate to the GOP that he believes in Reagan's ideas and Reagan's coalition --in tax cuts and originalist judges, in a strong national defense and secure borders, in restrained domestic spending, the protection of the unborn and traditional marriage, and of course, free trade and victory in the war.

McCain flunks the tax cuts' test, voted for the Gang of 14 and against the Federal Marriage Amendment. Huckabee is against free trade and the free market when it comes to the governance of corporate America. Huck's a big spender, and a soft-on-crime, serial commuter-of-sentences.

Huckabee is so anti-Reagan coalition that his main campaign guy, Ed Rollins, declared the coalition to be dead.

Romney's comeback has to be linked to the viability of the coalition that Reagan assembled in 1980 and Gingrich re-energized in 1994, and to the announcement that he is in the fight to stay. The former Massachusetts governor said as much on Thursday night when he declared it the first inning of a 50 inning game and congratulated Mike Huckabee, but he needs to say so again and again and again: He is going the distance and will insist on giving Reagan conservatives a candidate they can vote for, not the least distressing of the alternatives still standing.

Romney and his supporters also have to talk candidly about what Senator Obama's big win in Iowa means --a completely different campaign than the GOP had expected, a campaign wherein Obama will stress a generation-jump away from the politics of the Vietnam era. It will be difficult for a long-time D.C. insider like Senator McCain to stop Obama. It will be impossible for a candidacy built on the narrow base of evangelical Christians that Huckabee built in Iowa to do so.

Romney has to shift the discussion to not only who can win in November but also why it is so important to win: Four or five Supreme Court vacancies. Expiring tax cuts. Democratic majorities eager to spend and spend and spend. A border which is still far from secured.

And most importantly, a commander-in-chief who understands the threats abroad and who can win the right to succeed the president and extend the determination of George W. Bush to prevail.

Yes, Senator McCain understands the war, but it is very doubtful that he can beat Obama.

Huckabee almost certainly doesn't get the jihadist threat any more than he does the borders of Pakistan, and he can't carry ten states much less the red states Bush put together in '04, which is why Democratic strategist Susan Estrich was declaring her intention to dance at the Inaugural Ball if Huckabee got the GOP nomination.

Wyoming, New Hampshire and Michigan Republicans have to decide if the coalition and what it stands for are worth fighting for. If they do, they will follow the lead of the editors of National Review and get behind a Romney comeback.

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The Spin Stops Here
Tim Russert said that Huckabee got more support than the Evangelical vote.

I just wish folks like you would quite imploding the Republican Party.

yep
8 out of 10 voters for huck were evangelicals.

2/3 of those gave thier primary reason for Huck as he SHARED thier RELIGION.

Mitt stood no chance no matter how hard he tried. These folks were just not going to vote for a mormon PERIOD.

The democrats have got to be jumping around for joy after IOWA.

Think of it... Huckabee the GOP nominee.... If i was them i'd be cheering too.

Huckabee getting the lead is akin to the democrats nominating KUCINICH.

If they had done that then the GOP would be joyous as well.

Rush Limbaugh
Rush just said on Fox News that the Democrats are praying that Huckabee gets the nomination. If I recall, I believe the Democrats also prayed that Ronald Reagan would be the nominatee in 1980. The Democrats may end up getting more than what they've prayed for.

I hope Drudge runs more articles about how the Democrats are excited about Huckabee.......


A pass on st, city response to illegals
I have decided candidates deserve a pass on whetever state-level or city-level action they have advocated in response to illegal immigration.

It is a Federal problem. State and local governments have no power to fix the root cause. The Feds have dropped the ball.

I will seriously consider past action and current rhetoric regarding federal action to cure eht immigration problem.

This means I don't care what Huckabee did as Governer.
I don't care what Gulliani did as mayor.
I don't care whether Clinton thinks NY drivers licenses are good or bad. (The flip-flop was kinda funky, tho.)

I do care what McCain wants to do about SS.
I do care about HillaryCare for illegals.

Ronald Reagan & Huckabee
Both came from humble beginnings.
Both worked in radio and are experts in ability to communicate. Both are Christians............Both support a strong military.

I don't have anything against Mormans but I visited Salt Lake City a few months ago and visited the Morman campus. I asked to go into their temple facility and they said no way. My question, if Jesus was on Earth would they allow him to go into their Temple? What is their requirements go to into their Temple?

Also, I visited their facility and saw a photo of their 12 disciples and all of them except for one was white old men.......why can't they be PC and have some minorities as their 12 disciples.

Huck and his evangelicals
Earlier today I was watching one of the cable news channels (I'm 90% sure it was Fox) and they had a short segment where they visited a few campaign offices that were located in the same building in Iowa. They would show people manning the phones in each of the headquarters. When they got to Huckabees headquarters and showed people working the phones, I recognized 2 of the young women on the phone bank. I recognized these two from a documentary I watched recently about Fred Phelps and his weird church. You know, that's the church that would go to Military funerals and protest calling our soldiers evil. Anyway, the 2 women are his daughters! This is not good if Huckabee realy considers himself a Christian, because Fred Phelps and his crew are definately NOT Christian!

Please
No more comparisons of Mike Huckabee to Ronald Reagan. It's a nice wish, but unfortunately reality doesn't support this claim.

Ronald Reagan won two landslides based on the ideas of conservatism - something of which Mike Huckabee knows very little. Huckabee's actions speak louder than his words.

If Mike Huckabee gets the GOP nomination, then he will only win 5 states max. He will be so easy to defeat it really won't be a contest.

barnvette
Mormons won't let you in ehhh???

I went to Washington DC the other day and visited the WHITEHOUSE campus. I asked to go into THIER whitehouse facility and THEY said no way. My question, if Jesus was on Earth would they allow him to go into the white house? What is their requirements to go into THIER whitehouse?

Also, I visited thier facility and saw a photo of ALL THIER CURRENT and PAST PRESIDENTS and all of them were WHITE men.... why can't they be PC and have some minorities as thier PRESIDENT?


Hey barnvette,,,, one stupid thought deserves another... RIGHT.

Republicans Need the Evangelical Vote .
and the no-tax vote, and the preservation of libety vote. Like it or not, we are all in this together. Mr. Romney will go the distance and continue to reach out to evangelicals with optimism and good will. What happens when evangelicals discover they can't go it alone, that they might need some of the rest of us? Does it matter? What IS the prize? What if Mr. Romney gets the nomination? Then what?


Response
Scooter..........

History was made tonight with an African American winning the Democrat caucus with mostly white American voters. That's huge news.....

I think comparing the openness of a church vs the Whitehouse is a bad comparison. Huckabee is open about talking about his faith, why not Romney?

barnvette
Obama is half something and half something else,,,, He is no more African American than YOU may be Europeon American.

His winning is huge news. Apparenttly the democrats are able to vote for somebody that does not have Europeon race descent in them....

Would the republicans?

90% of the GOP voters in IOWA were evangelicals. 2/3 of all of those said they voted for HUCK because he SHARED thier RELIGION. Considering OBAMA is another race and may NOT be thier religion he also (like mitt) stood no chance in IOWA with the GOP.

Also, when you discuss Huckabee and his OPENNESS about sharing his faith. Please keep in mind that in 1998 in Salt Lake City (you know the same place you claim to have been) Huckabee was the KEYNOTE speaker at a rally of Baptists that gave out ANTI-Mormon literature and speechs.

I assume you consider this part of huckabee's openness about his faith and mitts hiding his right?

I guess if someone does not follow YOUR view of JESUS then they are not being OPEN about it.

When Huckabee told the NYT reporter "don't know much about the mormons" (lol, being the keynote speaker years before in salt lake city)
"but don't they believe jesus and satan are brothers?"
I guess this is where he excells in HIS OPENNESS right?

You dude are a funny one.

Romney is Flim Flam Elite Double Talker
No, Romney can't put the Reagan Coalition together because he hasn't the Reagan Sincerity.

Reagan was an outsider with sincerely held beliefs. The elite was against him; their man was George H.W. Bush.

Romney is an elite candidate -- the elite have no sincerely held beliefs beyond their pocket book.

The rank-and-file Republicans are sick of the elite and their chicanery.

Romney is a posterchild for the double talking elite that think you can buy your way to power.

This wasn't a loss -- this was a butt whipping.

I'll let you in on a secret -- George W. Bush is an elitist and has run the Republican Party into the ground.

Bush suckered a lot of folks -- they won't be suckered again by Romney.

Iowa Dooms the GOP?
Unbelievable. I've been to Iowa many times. I have friends there. And Hugh is right, Iowa voters saw the Huckster for what they wanted him to be, not what he is. Their "good moral Christian" hasn't got a chance nationally. I'll bet the Democrats are giddy with anticipation at the thought of either Hillary or Obama shredding Pastor Mike in the general, which is exactly what they'll do. Thanks to Iowans' inability to look past their latent religious bigotry--which I have seen for years close-up--they may have helped deliver the country back to the Clintons or a wet-behind-the-ears kid high on charisma but dangerously short on substance. Thanks to Iowa's religious prejudice, we may have to kiss the Supreme Court goodbye, and throw open our wallets and our borders for another eight years of plundering. Thanks a lot, Hawkeyes. You're going to deserve what you get. The rest of us won't.

Repubs Must Change or Die
Hugh, your 2004 book, "Painting the Map Red" was a classic. But that was then. The Republican Party must change. As David Brooks says about Huckabee in his NYTimes column tomorrow,”Most importantly, he (Huckabee) sensed that conservatives do not believe their own movement is well led. He took on Rush Limbaugh, the Club for Growth and even President Bush. The old guard threw everything they had at him, and their diminished power is now exposed."

Peggy Noonan is also beginning to realize that conservatives must change. She writes of Huckabee's supporters in her Column in tomorrow's Wall Street Journal, “ the thing really pushing his supporters, is that they believe that what ails America and threatens its continued existence is not economic collapse or jihad, it is our culture.

They have been bruised and offended by the rigid, almost militant secularism and multiculturalism of the public schools; they reject those schools' squalor, in all senses of the word. They believe in God and family and America. They are populist: They don't admire billionaire CEOs, they admire husbands with two jobs who hold the family together for the sake of the kids; they don't need to see the triumph of supply-side thinking, they want to see that suffering woman down the street get the help she needs. "

“A conservatism that recognizes stable families as the foundation of economic growth is not hard to imagine. A conservatism that loves capitalism but distrusts capitalists is not hard to imagine either. Adam Smith felt this way. A conservatism that pays attention to people making less than $50,000 a year is the only conservatism worth defending."

Republicans must wake up, or say hello to bad Supreme Court appointments and Democrat taxes for years to come.

Your move.

Brent the correct...
You don't get it do you...

2/3 of Hucks supporters said they voted for him because he SHARED THIER RELIGION.

They would vote for huck if he was a billionaire.
They would vote for huck if he pardoned over 1000 criminals, even murderers.
They would vote for huck if he supported amnesty.
They would vote for huck if he grew the size of GOVT.
They would vote for huck if he raised thier taxes.


Nothing matters but that he is a preacher of the correct religion.

First Lap
IA is the first lap in the marathon. Romney has no reason not to continue all of the way to the convention.

McCain has yet to win anything and unless he starts raising some really big money he will have trouble winning in the longer run.

Rudy is planning on a regional block of votes.

Most of the states are proportional and Romney will rack up more votes as he moves thru the primaries. He should be ahead of Huckabee in delegates after NH.

On the Dem side candidates are dropping out. On the Rep side no one has dropped.

A lot can and will happen on the road to the convention.

IA was tailor made for an Evangelical like Huck. About 60% were religious conservatives. However, NH is only about 20% and SC and FL are about 30%. Not all of that vote will go to Huck and he will get a lot of negative attacks now he has won IA.


BG
If Romney wins the nomination it does not matter.

Iowa has shown that evangelicals will not vote for a mormon. Mitt will not win the general election without them.

Mitt won't win.

The question now is whether mormons will not vote for the next evangelical?
They don't have nearly the same #'s but in tight races will prove to be very decisive.

Thus the GOP won't win.

You all remember that big tent party...I think I hear many previous stalwarts that are leaving it. (perhaps for the best)

Scooter...
You're the one who doesn't get it. Everything Brent the correct wrote is...well...correct.

The GOP has been hijacked by neo-con Wall Street globalists. They might talk a good game, but they could care less about the social values issues. They only care about how to incease their already fat financial portfolios, and those of their friends. G.W. Bush is one of them. Mitt Romney is one of them. Rudy Giuliani is one of them. Mike Huckabee is not one of them and he appeals to the vast MAJORITY of GOP VOTERS. The middle class, blue collar workers, social conservatives and religious voters that were brought into the Republican Party by Ronald Reagan. The current power-brokers of the RNC and their minions (Drudge, Rush, Hugh, Hannity, Ingraham, etc...) are just carrying the water of the elites...and the elites wanted to shove Romney down the people's throats. Guess what? They fooled them with G.W. Bush...but the people got wise. They aren't going to vote for Huckabee because of his religion. They are going to vote for him because he is a populist...just like Reagan was when he brought in the great unwashed to the GOP and gave them numbers of voters they had never seen before. The current batch of GOP elites have tried their best to squander away those numbers by marginalizing "the folks". Guess what? The folks want their party, and their country, back.

about the choices...
Mitt SAYS some of the right things, depending on when he speaks... and too many are nervous about the Mormon thing. The Huckster is simply another Jimmy Carter-- he has the right tone (anti-Washington business as usual) after Presidente Jorge and the rest in Washington have stunk up the place. Jorge will prove to have been a DISASTER for America and Republicans-- he has been wrong on two critical issues-- embracing ILLEGALS, and letting the neoCONS snooker him at an all-in cost of $2 TRILLION to make a bigger mess in the big sandbox.

Juan McQuisling does speak his mind, but Middle America soundly rejects his embracing of ILLEGALS and is weary of the neoCONS' war against the wrong bad Islamics (for an ulterior agenda which ultimately could not hide the deceptions). Shrillary might shrivel up into irrelevance because she reeks of same old, same old things and of phoniness and blind self-aggrandizing ambition. Fred has good ideas but was not ready for prime time-- he might have been a stalking horse for his friend McQuisling to take out Mitt... there are rumors he will throw his support to McCain.

Hugh Hewitt can forget the RINO wishful thinkin' that ILLEGAL aliens are not a CRITICAL issue-- it wounded Shrillary badly recently, and Juan McQuisling freely admits "I got the message" (resoundingly from Middle America)... the huckster is running and hiding from his pro-ILLEGAL stands.


Ignoring the body of the column
but loving the title -

Saw a cartoon the other day in which a pollster
was asking a woman if she would be watching
political news in the morning, the afternoon, or
the evening.

She replied: I'll be watching in October.

A.M.

What you really have Hugh...
Is a case of arrogant bunker mentality. Of course illegal immigration matters, securing America matters, especially securing our borders. Winning the war also matters.

What the people of Iowa have demonstrated here...

http://www.iowagop.net

...is that Mike Huckabee is actually more in tune and more in step with the Republican base - and it's you and the rest of the so-called party leadership that is out of step with the Republican base.

Leadership is about doing the right thing, character and values matter to the Republican base. That's why they came out in the cold and they came out overwhelmingly to cast their votes for Huckabee - because Huckabee believes that the base is ordinary Americans who're tired of the status quo, tired of the grid-lock, the negativity, the polarization and divisiveness, tired of being taken for granted, tired of political correctness and tired of the moral and cultural erosion - and we want someone with a positive vision, someone with habit of getting things done, someone who makes us feel good about ourselves and America, someone who believes conservative leadership can and should be vertical rather than horizontal. And Gov Mike Huckabee fits the bill, we believe he's the right person with the right combination of skills and experience for this time.




cjb56
OHHHHHH,,, why did'nt you just say that mormons (mitt) lapsed catholics (rudy) non-preacher christians (mccain, thompson) did not believe in these family values in the first place?

We all know that the reason evangelicals voted for Huck over all the others is because his preacher status means he knows better than all the rest how to restore MORALS in this country.

All the others (especially the mormon) don't know the first thing about morals or social values.

Lets thank JESUS we have a preacher that can restore these things because all the rest of them don't care and just want to get rich.

PS,,,, did you sign up for Huckabee's registry wedding gifts at the luxury store? Please hurry over and do so if you forgot. Lord knows i'm going to.

hey cjb56
can i get a HALELUJAH on the gift registry for huckabee?

You do know that JESUS would sign up to help the POOR preacher out don't you?

cjb56
Your also correct about those elites just shoving Romney down our throats to get rich.

Drudge, Rush, Hugh, Hannity, Ingraham, Coulter.....

Money grubbers all of them. I mean think about it....

They are all really wealthy now. And by trying to force Romney on us they are hoping to become even wealthier.
HOW? Romney will give them $.
Just like BUSH did....

Your not under the impression that they made their fortunes in the open market are you? NOPE did'nt think so

Do Issues Matter Anymore?
Over 200,000 plus excited, energized--and so outright nutty-- democrats showed up in droves tonight in Iowa. The Obama win was impressive, but the passion Iowa dems shared for all three democratic candidates was even more impressive. No way to spin it, it has to be a wakeup call for Republicans for it is going to take a different kind of candidate to beat them in November. The tides turned in the dems favor tonight big time tonight. The stakes are much higher.

What is with the Republican base? Do they care about issues anymore? When did we become such wimps and complain about ads contrasting the views of different opponents? Don't we want to know what the views of our candidates are? And should we take offense like McCain and Huck have done in recent weeks if someone fairly reminds the public about their less than stellar conservative records? I thought we had a bigger spine than that. I thought we loved a good fight.

But for weeks, we have heard nothing about what Huck and McCain will do as President, and everything about Romney will do in his ads. But Huck and McCain flew under the radar with the help of the MSM. Not once did they challenge their records but instead, they asked them Oprah-like questions such as "What are your thoughts on Romney going negative." It was like they were saying, "Are your feelings hurt?" And apparently, the tempermental Iowan Republicans' feelings were also hurt.

Not only is the Reagan coalition look like it's dead, This party has completely lost its toughness and willingness to get in the ring and fight.

But we have also turned into a bunch of crybabys and will get blown out in November if we don't nominate a candidate that can beat the Obama love fest that is going on.

www.evangelicalsformitt.org
http://www.mymanmitt.com

http://www.mittreport.com

http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org

cjb56
Should'nt Huckabee be a RICH preacher if he's any good?

You see those collection plates full up with GOOD preachers don't ya.

Why isn't Huckabee rich? He does'nt suck at it does he?

Consevative Ideals
Populism is not one of them. Huckabee could certainly be deemed a populist and this is my biggest problem with him as a Candidate. Populism is all about Kindness and Ignorance. Kindness in that populism is rooted in a perceived common good by which all benefit. That this common good (prosperity for all) can be attained through government action. Ignorance because this view has no pertinence to economics and that the way prosperity is achieved is through economics. I just wish people would vote through reason instead of emotion (or even likability). There are a host of issues i think Huckabee is wrong on but this one is probably the most prevalent.
ps. Have a fantastic day!

reagon
Thinking back on REAGON....

He was a rather RICH fellow now wasn't he.

Considering he was RICH i'm going to have to change my opinion of him and consider him nothing but an evil $ mongering scoundrel.

There,,, I feel much better now.

Hugh should just admit he is wrong
Romney does not have the conservative credentials that he speaks about. Huckabee is a genuine, down-to-earth conservative that gets people excited about the presidential race. Huckabee is getting out those people who were bored with the candidates until now.

Scooter
Your right on some counts. The one your wrong about is that huckable won solely due to prejudice. It was bigotry but the unwillingness of voters to focus on issues and ideals. It may have been that Iowan voters focused on huckabee's religion and not his politics. They wanted to vote for someone who are most like them, just not politically like them.

Scooter...
You can't possibly be old enough to remember Reagan. If you are old enough to remember him, you should be ashamed of your lack of intellect at your age.

Reagan put economic policies in place that benefitted almost all people...corporations and especially small businesses. The current GOP philosophy is mightily skewed to the benefit of corporations and Wall Street traders. They get richer, while the vast majority of Americans are spinning their wheels or are falling behind. Most of the population isn't benefitting at all from the Bush "economic boom". Mitt Romney represents the status quo in the GOP. Huckabee may not be Ronald Reagan, but he captures the spirit of him far more than does Mitt Romney. That's the biggest reason behind his appeal. It has much less to do with religion than it does to the fact he connects with most of the people on the issues that matter to them. If it makes you feel better, continue to believe it's because Mitt's a Mormon.

typo
*It was NOT bigotry. sorry for the typo.

Question
If the current boom is not helping all Americans then why is the average standard of living rising at a faster rate now than it did durring the reagan boom?

Another Question
What conservative ideals does Huckabee engender other than some social conservative ones?

cjb56
dude,,,, you need to join the EDWARDS, OBAMA, or CLINTON camp with type of silly thinking. Thats nothing but LIBERAL POPULAST speech,,,,
And yes it does represent HUCKABEE.(you do know your man)

As for REAGON and his economic policies... please read up on tax cuts for everybody,,,(naturally they overwhelmingly affect the rich as they are currently the one's paying JUST ABOUT ALL THE TAXES)
And,,,,,,, TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS
Reagon brought it and it worked.
Now please explain how his plan would work in YOUR populist NIRVANNA.

I may be young,,, but if your comments above were what YOU THINK you remember about REAGON then you must be SENILE.

As to my knowledge on evangelicals not voting for a MORMON (come hell or high water).... I got it from thier comments on voting for the man with the same religion. 2/3 of Huck voters said so.

Wage growth...
is falling behind inflation and all signs point to a recession or at least a prolonged period of stagflation. Even Bush was talking about it today.

If Huck is able to use the bully pulpit of the POTUS to advance his tax plan, he would be doing the economy a huge favor. Can he do it? I'm not so sure, but at least he is willing to take on the task of razing the income tax.

His foreign policy is sound. I read the entire text of his outline from which the media selectively reported Huck bashed Bush's foreign policy.

Go back and look at Reagan's record as Gov. of California and as POTUS. I know we all look back on him as though he was perfect. He wasn't, of course. He had his warts, too. So does Huck, but Huck is more Reagan-esque than Romney or Rudy.

Paladin
The concept of a mormon winning the GOP caucus in IOWA was the cause for the evangelicals to IGNORE reason and vote for the liberal candidate in HUCKABEE.

Whether you want to refer to this as bigotry or not does not matter.

When mormons won't vote for evangelicals for the same reasons it likewise won't matter then either.

Scooter
good comment. An example of Economics leading to greater prosperity for all.

Scooter...
Huckabee is promoting the FairTax and a repeal of the income tax. He's not only against taxing the income of the wealthy (who do pay the bulk of the income taxes), but against taxing anyone's income. A consumption tax is radical, but it's also been well-researched for a long time by many top economic minds. The transition would be tough, but the end result would be to free up a huge amount of capital to grow the economy. Certainly something Ronald Reagan would favor.

Don't quite agree
I think Huckabee would have won Iowa if Romney had not been in the race. I think Huckabee used anti-mormon speech to covertly attack Romney, but I do not think iowa voters voted for huckabee because they don't like mormons but because they can't see through huckabee cause they can't see through huckabee. They ignored reason because of huckabee's likability more than Romney's mormonism. And besides electorally the biggest block of mormans are in utah and california. California won't go republican no matter how mormans vote and i don't see utah going for a democrat so whether mormons vote for an evangelical is not important. and besides they voted for Bush.

cjb56
and yet the standard of living keeps rising.

Let me put in GRAPH mode for ya,,, (it may help)

Consider the GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT of the country as a big PIE. (more pie is better for everyone)
Romney and Reagon policies will grow the pie bigger. And even if YOU get a smaller % of the pie your overall amount is bigger than before.

Thus you THINK you are doing worst because your % of the pie went down, but because the overall pie is so much bigger and growing you actually got more.

NOW... Huckabee and democratic policies of POPULIST RANTINGS will make the pie stagnate or even shrink. You may even get a bigger piece of a shrinking pie (but this really sucks for the country as a whole)

What YOU need to do is look at places that have YOUR populast vision and see the growth they do not have... LIKE europe.
Over the last 40 years they avereage like 1-2% GDP growth and here in AMERICA we do 4-5%...

OK,,, class dismissed

Nice
Don't try to explain economics to populists they can't think in those terms. Populism is Socialism's cousin.

cjb56
The fair tax has about as much chance and backing in congress as Fat Albert skipping a meal.

Huckabee should also run on a platform of giving every american a new LEXUS. Sounds great but won't happen...(he knows the flat tax won't either)

Lets deal with stuff that WE can effect and change. Like lower taxes, smaller GOVT, and fewer LIBERALS with POPULAST leanings.
That means you vote ROMNEY.

Economics
If I make $100,000 per year and you make $20,000 per year...our average income is $60,000 per year. If my average wage increases to $200,000 per year, but your's remains at $20,000 per year...OUR average goes up to $110,000 per year. Sounds good for the overall wage growth...but only I'm doing better. That is a very simple analogy to what's been happening in the U.S. economy the past few years.

I'm not for economic isolationism and neither is Huckabee. His economic policies seek to expand our overall economy. I've never once heard him balk at free trade.

paladin
Bush did not let all the mormons know that he considered them a CULT. He never went to Salt Lake City for a convention to bash the religion and be the KEYNOTE speaker. Bush never asked anybody if mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers.

If you think mormons will consider Huck as no differnent than Bush you are sadly mistaken.

As to the states and how many it takes to tip the balance in OHIO, FLORIDA, IOWA, etc... don't know or care how many mormons there are in these states but they won't be on HUCKS side.

Scooter...
No, that means YOU vote Romney...if he is still relevant when your state holds it's primary. That is your right.

I'm wondering how the Arkansas economy was somehow able to grow the past few years with Huckabee at the helm?

Ummm Sheeple
Brace yourselves sheeple. It's going to be a very long year.

Cjb56
You know nothing about economics. Firstly Average wage statistics are calculated using medians not extremes. Secondly the analogy I am drwing is that the 100,000 wage earner may go up to 200,00, but what if the 20,000 earner goes up to 40,000? The gap between rich and the poor may have gone up (as popoulists love to cite) but they went up at a identical or near identical rate.

cjb56
OK,,, cj,,,

Lets use YOUR example on wage growth and how many are left behind. (not that it's occuring now any more than it has in the past)

How do you purpose we raise peoples income other than the FREE MARKET which determines thier income?

In response
Well I'm just saying it is a moot point, and I certainly wasn't saying they are the same. You said mormans would not vote for an evangelical and all i'm saying is they may not vote for this particular evangelical, not because he is an evangelical but because he deliberatly alienated mormons.

Cjb56
You know nothing about economics. Firstly Average wage statistics are calculated using medians not extremes. Secondly the analogy I am drwing is that the 100,000 wage earner may go up to 200,00, but what if the 20,000 earner goes up to 40,000? The gap between rich and the poor may have gone up (as popoulists love to cite) but they went up at a identical or near identical rate.

cjb56
If you want to vote for somebody that has Grown the economy in the last 6 years like Bush did then YOU will vote for ROMNEY.

If you want to have your taxes double over the next 6 years YOU will vote for HUCKABEE. Arkansas economy did grow (along with the rest of the states under a healthy national economy), BUT,,, it would have done much better and be in much better shape if a conservative had been at the helm instead of HUCKABEE.

The nations economy would be doing better NOW if BUSH had been able to stop the spending. Huckabee is worse on that stuff by far.

paladin
i'm with ya on that.

cjb56
You didn't perchance get an economics degree at the same school Huckabee (did'nt) get his theology degree did you?

Thank you
True a bush flaw is the inability to stop spending, but what do you expect from a "compassionate' conservative. Scooter we only minorly disagree about the prujudice stuff, but overall we are in complete agreement.

cjb56
I apologize,,, snide comments like the one I just put out do nothing to further the discussion.

I need to work on that.

You people are talking...
...like the Huckster has a snowball's chance in hades of taking the nomination. He does not. Everyone knew he would do well in Iowa. It's got a HUGE evagelical population. Everyone one of them voted thier religion, not thier conservative principles.

Huckabee is not much more conservative than the Hildebeast. The only conservative stand he makes is opposing gays and abortion and promoting family values. In every other possible way he is a dyed in the wool liberal. Iowa may get flim flammed by a smooth talking preacher man, the rest of the country is not so easily duped. Huckabee will get creamed in the next caucus. By super tuesday he will be back to the single digits in the polls where he deserves to be.

Keep in mind, Iowa almost never predicts the nominee for either party where there has been more than one viable candidate. This will be no different.

Huckabee yay, he is a preacher,
The people of Iowa would have voted for the Baptist Sunday School teacher Jimmy Carter today instead of Ronald Reagan (divorced, signed an abortion bill into law as governor and not a baptist)

You had me at "preacher" nothing else mattered--taxes, corruption, soft on crime, immigration, nothing. He goes to my church and the other guy doesn't.

Mormons did not know of Bush's antagonism towards mormons, but they do now thanks to conversations (or exclusions from conversations) that have occurred since 9/11 with 'leaders of various faiths'

Oaks let Bush know that he can't count on the Mormon vote...

We need swing congressional seats. the GoP needs senate seats, the GOP needs state legislatures, governors, etc. I know that here in WA. four years ago when Mitt was campaigning for Rossi (a Catholic), the state legislature was almost 50/50 D/R (D majority) D's now have a 2/3's majority. Dino lost by 129 votes after 3 recounts. The evangelicals have ostracized two moderate republicans who just flipped parties. If the 200-250,000 Mormons in the state don't vote, watch out. Permanent minority status. THis is a political party. We need to include people who have same political views. Huck's overt and covert anti-catholic and anti-mormon bigotry makes him a non-starter. no way. and I will actively work against him in other states stopbigots.com

it will matter if evangelicals don't vote for mormons and vice versa
check stopbigots.com

Hugh Blewitt
As is the poster boy for what is wrong with the new media and Mitt Romney is what is wrong with the new GOP.
Strange they are bed fellows

Paladin and scooter
Scooter wrote; "If you want to have your taxes double over the next 6 years YOU will vote for HUCKABEE. Arkansas economy did grow (along with the rest of the states under a healthy national economy), BUT,,, it would have done much better and be in much better shape if a conservative had been at the helm instead of HUCKABEE."

Based on what secret knowledge of Arkansas do your draw this conclusion. Huckabee was republican governor of a 70%+ registered democratic state with a legislature entirely controlled by the democrats. A conservative would not have gotten a single bill passed and would have been a one term wonder.

Paladin-conservativism is an misunderstood concept. To be conservative does not mean to be against change but to want change to proceed in slower manner. When it stands against change, it reverts to greed and all the worst of mankind, hatred, bigotry and intolerance. Change is inevitable and populism is a lot better than radicalism.

One last thing Liberty Jim wrote:
Republicans Need the Evangelical Vote .
and the no-tax vote, and the preservation of libety vote. Like it or not, we are all in this together. Mr. Romney will go the distance and continue to reach out to evangelicals with optimism and good will. What happens when evangelicals discover they can't go it alone, that they might need some of the rest of us? Does it matter? What IS the prize? What if Mr. Romney gets the nomination? Then what?

The answer is that we will sit this one out and Mitt will get 5 states or less. I personally prefer an honest enemy to a dishonest ally.



The Media Fix Is In

As of 9:30p, Ron Paul is a percentage point or so behind McCain, but does not appear on ANY of the big pie charts. McCain does. On the Democratic side, Richardson has only 2% (far fewer percentage-wise than Paul) and he appears on the big pie charts. Shameful.

Has any network anchor said the word “Paul”?

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/the-fix-is-in

Land of the Huckabarrys
Iowa and New Hampshire aren't exactly crawling with illegal aliens. John McCain’s amnesty finished him just like the drivers license flip flop was Hilary demise. Most American citizens resent subsidizing thoswe third world colonies of illegal aliens. Just wait till they get out of land of the Huckabarrys were pastor do the thinking for the little people. States were you have to have more content than just saying you’re positive.

As A Cynic Myself
and a recovering politician, I project a new
"stance" for the tank from Park Ridge.

"Hello, my name is Hillary Rodham. You may not know me, but as an abject newcomer to politics
I know you'll be interested in my platform.
I believe what you believe, whatever that is.
I can unite.... blahblahblah."

Mother Of All Messages To Republicans
Change is the message.

If I had told you a month ago that Mike Huckabee would win out over the Far Right "Talk radio, Drudge, blog, pundent, National Review,and Ann Coulter" machine I would have been laughed out of the room. Last night Iowans screamed the message for all Republicans to hear.

We want change!! Mike Huckabee heard their message and won going away.

Change is actually being willing to knock heads and get something done about -

Sealing the southern border
Energy independence in 10 years
A more "Fair Tax" system
Winning the war in Irag
A stronger milatary force that if needed will go in with overwhelming odds and quickly secure victory
Steadfastly stand by the santity of life from conception at birth
Is for the 2nd. Ammendment and can shoot a shotgun and bag game to prove it

Only one man is for all the items listed above and for C-H-A-N-G-E.

If the Right side pundents after last night's victory by Mike finally see this we still have a chance to win. If they don't Barrock Obama's near perfect "I Have A Dream Speech" will propel him all the way to the White House.

Mike Huckabee is our only chance!!



there is nothing better
in the morning, while having my coffee, to watch the stupid, lying, manipulative, fear-mongering, smearing, fake-con head of Hugh explode.

Hahahahhahahaha.

Barnvette
In good faith I will assume you really want to know.

Our Temples are sacred to us and only LDS members who are in good standing with the Church can enter. It is not like a Chapel on Sunday where anyone is invited but is sacred ground.

The Temple is dedicated to God as it is his house where his spirit may dwell.

As for your racist suggestion I do not even know where to begin but will say that we welcome all into our Church who want to live their life according to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

As for Romney not talking about his faith, why should he. This whole convo on faith is a merry go round. Where if he were talking about it people would say "Look!!! See!!! He is trying to spread Mormonism!" but when he says he won't get dragged into a theological debate it is instead said that he "Hides his faith". Can't have it both ways and I felt his speech cleared things up perfectly.

I am not really a Mitt fan though. I am really troubled about his Integrity and the recent lies he has be caught in. I wanted Newt to run but he let me down. Now I dont feel particulary excited about any of them but I will support whoever gets the nod because the worst GOP guy is better than any of the Liberals.

Prediction

"Hello, my name is Hillary Rodham. You may not know me, I'm running for President. I assure you
I have less experience than the front runner, Mr. Obama, and even though I lived in Washington
and met important people, I forget who they are
and why I was there. I believe America wants
change, and is ready for a woman President.
The fact that I am a Negro and a completely Black one at that, I believe should not matter
to anyone, especially Oprah. Vote Rodham for
President?"

The Lord Giveth
Apparently not all Republicans are excited about four more years of a compassionate conservative with no foreign policy experience who believes that Jesus wants him to be The Decider. Neither am I.

liberal Hugh
Hugh must be a liberal. Stumping for liberal Romney, that way a far left democrat will become President because Romney cannot win. Romney is the GOP's Kerry. He cannot win. Hugh and townhall are traitors.

Hugh is completely backwards on Huckabee's and Romney's record. Hugh is a traitor, plain and simple.

Reagan's values?
Romney has no idea what Reagan values were. Also townhall was for amnesty a few years ago. I remember posting lots of comments that Americans will do those jobs, just not for less than they can live on. Reagan gave amnesty to illegals.

Poor Hugh, poor loser..
Hugh,
Now there is no need to go away mad.
Just GO AWAY!
(And take Romney with you!)

Only one problem...
...regarding Romney doing all that convincing that he "believes in...tax cuts and originalist judges, in...secure borders...he protection of the unborn and traditional marriage...

And that would be his tax- and fee-raising, homosexual activist judge-appointing, amnesty-supporting, pro-abortion and homosexual agenda-promoting record prior to running for president.

They were blind but now they see
Hugh; I don’t think you have anything to worry about on the Huckleberry score. The evangelicals in Iowa became “one-issue” voters and that issue was religion. You can see it with the comments from his supporters here on TH. They have allowed their love of religion to blind them to all of the other things about Huckleberry. He does in fact a liberal record but they can not see it because their eyes are closed. I don’t think there is much chance of this being repeated in any other States.

This is SOOOO the result

I was looking for in Iowa. And I want Mcain to win in N.H. Don't get me wrong- I don't want EITHER of these guys as POTUS. But I'm hoping they knock Rommney out of the race. I think he IS dishonest ( just like the ad that Huck made, then wouldn't run, stated ). He ( to me ) is the sterotypical sneaky, lying, big business CEO. As much as I can't stand alot of Rudy's stances on social issues, you HAVE to give the man credit for deciding not to out-and-out lie about his positions like ( I believe ) Mitt has done. To me Mitt is a slick, dishonest, willing to say anything to be elected politician. I'm tired of being lied to, and played for a fool. And I DON'T think I'm alone in that sentiment.

I'm hoping if Mitt is knocked out, that it will pave the way for Fred to come out of nowhere and steal the show in S. Carolina, then take off. Cuz let's face it- he IS the most conserative canidate left now that Hunter is most assuridly out.

Think again
"Maybe illegal immigration doesn't matter"

Either that or it does and pundits are misreading the will of the american people. 70% of americans even at the height of the anti-illegal immigration craze favored a path to citzenship which Romney rejects. I don't think it's entirely happen-stance that Romney released a nasty immigration ad the day before caucus goers thoroughly rejected him.


Evangelicals, it is time to grow up
Well I suspected excitement and we got it. However, I am an evangelical and I do not want Mike Huckabee to be president. His win in Iowa tells more about us than him. He has no foreign policy strong enough to take on those that want to kill us, no economic polciy that will sustain growth, an immigration policy that will not help the situation we have…but he claims a kinship with evangelicals. Oh stop it. The guy is slick. Not faithful to Christ. And in the one arena he claims knowledge and support for evangelicals, he will not be able to make a difference on the cultural seen. Evangelicals, grow up.

Funny Stuff
It is really hysterical when Republicans complain that those loony Iowa people voted for a guy because of his religious credentials. Duh? Been asleep for the last ten years or so?

What stage of Grief is Hugh in?
Shock or Disbelief


Denial


Bargaining


Guilt


Anger


Depression


Acceptance and Hope



Hallelujah?
While the evangelicals of the South and of Iowa may be shouting it the sound out west is "unbelievable"!
A Huckabee ticket has NO chance of carrying the states of Hawaii, California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, Montana, Wyoming or New Mexico or Colorado. None; zilch; nicht.
I suspect he would even come in third in Utah...the redest of red states...the same one where Clinton came in third...below Ross Perot!We need a president for ALL Americans.
Will the GOP commit "Huckacide"?

Thasic...
Thasic writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 5:58 AM
Huckabee is not much more conservative than the Hildebeast. The only conservative stand he makes is opposing gays and abortion and promoting family values.
----
You're right except on one thing...Huck supports civil unions. I'm reading all these posts with Huck supporters claiming he is the true conservative. A genuine guy. I don't get it. He's been caught in one lie after another. His own record shows he has increased government in Ark. Raised taxes more than Clinton. Why is this not of any matter to the very people screaming 'out with RINO's.' Perplexing.

So far so good!
I'm not ready to commit to Huck, but he has always been higher on my list than Romney. For that matter, all of the candidates, including Paul, are higher on my list than Romney. I dispise dishonesty and I especially dispise someone trying to buy the nomination.

CONSERVATISM ON THE LINE
The choices in the election can be boiled down to ...do we want to save our Republic (vote Republican) ...or do we want to enter the murky waters of Socialism (vote Democrat)? ...

.....I would vote for Fred as he is the only true Conservative in the race ...I could take a deep breath and vote for Mitt or Rudy to keep a Democrat out of the White House ...but I would have a hard time voting for the Arkansas Traveler or the Manchurian Candidate because that would be another massive dose of "Compassionate Conservatism" and I don't see how that could be any worse than electing a Democrat ...

.....Both claim to want to bring the Country together by working with the other side (where have I heard that one before?) ...how does one combine Socialism with smaller Government, less regulation and free markets? ...if somebody knows the answer to that one please clue me in ...

.....If a Democrat is elected President ...then we might as well put a match to the Constituton and learn to love Big Brother .....COLOSSUS

...POSTSCRIPT: On Fox news "Super Prognosticator" Dick Morris predicted that Romney would lose in NH and drop out of the race shortly after ... maybe Dick should stick to toe sucking ...

...Also on Fox News ...all they talked about after Huckabee's win, was McCains "close" fourth place finish ...they almost completely ignored Thompson's third place finish .....COLOSSUS

1MASCHROM

.....Mitt claims that even if he finishes second in NH that he is going to go the distance ...Dick Morris claims that he will drop out ...I don't think Mitt will drop out until he concludes that he cannot win ...

.....One thing is certain ...Fred Thompson needs somebody to drop out so that he can pick up their voters ...if Paul would accept the inevitable and drop out and if McCain fizzles after NH ...then Fred could be a big winner .....COLOSSUS

Let's take a deep breath
It seems to me that Hugh just doesn't get it, so he writes an article that says lets just keep going the way we are.

Huckabee won a decisive victory last night. Those of you who want to state that it was the evangelical vote or practicing a form of bigotry that Hugh will never acknowledge. The good people of Iowa voted for someone who demonstrated a set of values that were closest to their own. This mormon versus evangelical discussion is just another variation on class warfare.

I don't trust Romney, the flip on significant social issues is a killer for my vote. Yes - I am a social conservative, I consider my moral values when I vote - shame on me.

The GOP pundits who have tried to promote the fiscal position should clean house (and senate) before they peddle their wares.

Let's stop the name calling and rock throwing and face some significant realities. The country wants to see some changes, and the GOP needs to nominate someone who can present some believable options. If this doesn't happen then the GOP will be as relevant as Dole in '96.

If Hugh continues to throw the social conservatives under the bus he better have a plan for a "revival" for the general election (sorry, didn't mean to bring religion back into the conversation.)

Hugh Hewitt
Your opinions would have more credibility if you had foreseen the Huckabee surge, but you lacked the understanding of the political arena to foresee it.

Now you have joined with the rest of the elite's minions in attacking Huck by innuendo, half truths and lies.

Afterall, Romney is the most elitist of all of the Republican candidates. He has no experience with how 99.9% of Americans live.

I understand the motivation of the pundits for backing a candidate. They do it not out of conviction, but with the idea that if they choose the winner they will have an in to his White House. I think it is time they started pointing out Huck's positives. Huck can always go back to the record and know who supported him and when. For example, I have been touting Huck on Townhall since April.

You may usually be a brilliant analyst Hugh, but you have missed the boat on this one. I was looking for a pro-life, pro-marriage, anti-tax (especially the IRS which I consider the most oppressive tool wielded by the elite), anti-gun control, candidate who understood that the most damage to the U.S.A.'s economy is done by government taxes and government regulations. Huck gets it. Who else have you heard talking about it.

The very fact that you write the things you do about Huckabee indicates that you have not done your homework or you are writing at the behest of someone else.

baseballdoc, I hope Mitt

doesn't pull a Regan by not dropping out after losing the the first three primaries ( which I pray he does ). And I sure hope Fred doesn't pull out before S. Carolina and endorse John ( gigantic pain in the conserative butt ) Mcain. I'm REALLY hoping that rumor is not true. I understand they're buddies or some such nonsense. I do my best to put that out of my mind.

I am curious though, if Paul dropped out and endorsed Fred, would his followers make the switch?

Oops-


Sorry. That would be Ronald Reagan. Missed an a.

ohio saba
exactly...
We need to elect someone who can win.
Huckabee can not will the whole enchilada.

thru and thru
I'm not sure if Huckabee eats enchiladas anymore, I will have to review the Mexican food section of his book.

Do you mean that he is not a "top-tier" candidate? This was a common statement by the political pundits even in November.

Or are you saying that if he gets the nomination the GOP party is not going to support him fully? That would be funny since this is what the social conservatives are accused of.

It seems to me that the California crowd at the Leno show were able to relate to him. Oh, but perhaps that Republican Governor isn't conservative enough either.

I guess I just don't get it.

Huckabee will be just fine
Since this country only has rural Evangelicals voting in general elections he should remain in good shape.

Huckabee landed 14% of the non-Evangelical votes. That type of support should be all he needs to win.

Huckabee will continue his strong trend
Just to show how powerful Mike can be as a Repub candidate check out his performance in NH. When the voting block is something less than 60% evangelical the guy brings in 10% or so in support.

At the end of the day, the worst case scenario for Romney is a 2nd place finish in NH and IA. Huckabee will have a 1st and 4th. McCain will have a 1st and 4th. Who is more electable? Romney is the only candidate that can pull voters from all wings of the Repub party.

What Romney Must Do
Of course Hugh is right. Romney's problem, however, is that for Republicans history does not begin anew each morning with the N.Y. Times. Romney has to run on his record, not just his rhetoric. His record and past statements belie the claim that he is a Reagan or Gingrich conservative. Does anyone seriously doubt that Romney will tack right or left as dictated by the political winds that he encounters? Of course not! He's a businessman, and that's what good businessmen do. But do we have to settle for a good leader with high standards of personal morality? Jimmy Carter had the latter.

Hugh has apparently looked into Romney's soul and concluded that he is a born again political conservative. But talk is cheap and trench conversions usually don't last. I'll take Giuliani. While I only like about 50% of what I see in him, I am convinced he will effectively fight for that 50%. Even if I liked 100% of what I see in Romney, I have no confidence that he will put himself on the line for any of it.

Let the "Reagan" Coalition Die
It is time to move forward with a new coalition. I want to see a new coalition. One that can build on what a majority of Americans hold to as important. I am fully open to a populist message that will resonate outside of just the Republican party.

Disclosure: I am a 33 year old evangelical christian, that homeschools my children, my wife is a stay at home mother, I earn less than $70,000 per year, I am in the financial services industry.

I think I am in the sweet spot for a new coalition.

The Iowa Election
New Hampshire will be a clearer indication of how the election may play out because they're not afraid of questions or conflicting views.

We'll see a real fight for the presidency up in New Hampshire. Will it decide who will be president? Who knows.

Will it decide if the Iowa election was a fluke?
Definitely.

Perceptions Matter
Conservatism hasn't failed -- the elite in the Republican Party have failed conservatism.

The elite has espoused Conservatism to the extent it has benefitted them, social conservatism (to get votes); but acted on free trade, open borders, and big government (while mouthing limited govt.) that are not Conservative; but benefit the corporate elite.

This was a vote against the Washington Beltway Establishment Elite of the Republican Party.

Conservatism has been used and used badly.

This vote was a rejection and repudiation of George W. Bush and his cronies.

This election will be about what Conservatism really is and most important -- who controls, Conservatism for what ends.

Is Huckabee Conservative: Socially yes, mixed on other issues, but he is an outsider from the heartland.

This is a message to the elites.

Question: Will the elites get the message?

huckabee honest??
why do people attribute honesty and integrity to someone who has been brought up on ethics charges as governor of arkansas?

i'm sure everyone is thinking clinton. no, it's huckabee.

not something you would expect from a baptist minister is it?

huckabee is just hillary without the skirt

Enchiladas
Ohio Saba:
He, no doubt, eats enchiladas.....after all his immigration policy as govenor would suggest that he has plenty of opportunity with the 'new arrivals'from south of the Rio Grande, enjoying all of the Arkansas tax-payer provided 'give aways'.
California will likely go democratic. Jay Leno's audience is usually from around the country and not from locals.
After his "news conference" about his pulling his ad that was it for me. Everyone saw right through that.
I for one don't want ANY more of "Arkansas best". I think we have had quite enough. It seems politicians from there are quite "slick".
We need someone who will win...That's not your Huck!

for nate
nate writes: "I'll take Giuliani. While I only like about 50% of what I see in him, I am convinced he will effectively fight for that 50%."

I agree.

I still think that if McCain beats Romney in NH, then Rudy is the GOP's best bet against Obama or Hillary.

I know Rudy is personally pro-choice on abortion. But if the Christian evangelicals really want to be part of a broad conservative coalition rather than just forcing their views down the throats of all other conservatives, they will simply have to put their personal feelings aside and consider the total package. (Otherwise the Reagan coalition is truly dead; it cannot pander to the "feelings" of evangelicals without destroying itself.)

Rudy says what he means, and he means what he says. If he says he will do something (like appoint originalist judges), you can bet your life on his keeping his word. That puts him ahead of virtually every other GOP candidate in my book, Huck included.

add economic security issues as well
Following the debate last night about the success of Huckabee, Obama, et al in tapping into the economic insecurity of the average American, I believe that sense of economic insecurity is real. i believe that Romney should also address that and explain why the Reagan principles -- implemented by him -- will empower the average American to better his circumstances.

While some of the winning candidates are good at tapping into that angst, Governor Romney probably stands the best chance of addressing those concerns within the framework of Reagan's principles. He should do so.

Rush...
Is spinning the Huck win just like many on here. He's trying to claim Huck only appealed to evangelicals. How do you explain he had even a wider margin of victory over Mitt in Polk County (the least evangelical and most urban county in Iowa) than he did overall?

Huckabee is not going to win New Hampshire. It's not going to hurt him, though. Iowa votes like the GOP does nationally. Their last five winners were Bush I, Bush I, Dole, Bush II, Bush II. They all went on to win the GOP nomination. In that same timespan, Pat Buchanan and John McCain have won New Hampshire. New Hampshire is just a blip on the radar. Huckabee will go on to sweep the South and the Midwest. He was leading in South Carolina, Michigan and Florida BEFORE he won Iowa. His numbers are only going to increase. Get used to it. Huck will be the GOP nominee. He'll balance his ticket with John McCain, which will give him the foreign policy credibility he needs.

He'll keep every 2004 red state and probably add Michigan. Huck will win the general election.

Newsflash
Iowa voters that indicated that ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is the most important problem facing the country was 33%.

That's more important to them than the Economy (26%), Terrorism (21%), and the War in Iraq (17%)

Of those indicating Illegal Immigration was the most important problem - 36% voted for Huckabee and 30% voted for Romney (source NBC Exit Poll).

A swing-and-a-miss for Hugh, strike one


And the pitch... Huckabee is not in step with the GOP base as it relates to illegal immigration

Huckabee Immigration Plan - http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_ id=4
- Close the border first - supports building of border fence
- Opposes amnesty - and supports process to have illegals return home and get in the back of the line
- Fine employers for knowingly hiring illegal aliens
- Streamline the legal immigration process
- Opposes sanctuary cities
- Opposes driver's licenses for illegals
- Opposes 'North American Union'

What part of that is out of step with the GOP base?

A swing-and-a-miss... strike two for Hugh


And the pitch... Huckabee does not understand the jihadist threat

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_i d=20
'Radical Islamic fascists have declared war on our country and our way of life. They have sworn to annihilate each of us who believe in a free society, all in the name of a perversion of religion'

And another whiff for the Hughmeister - back to the bench Hugh.

Keep it up!
I warned that there would be a backlash from the real conservative voters because of the irrational and deeply skewed attacks on Huckabee's record. So please, keep pounding on the guy, all the way to New Hampshire, because the backlash from that will also continue there too!

Hugh, Ann Coulter, and yes even Rush, do not seem to fully understand that these tactics do not work on the silent conservative majority; whom will fully reject the suddenly-turned-
semi-conservative-Romney.

We can clearly see that Romney is not the true conservative and we won't be duped again by the Romney rhetoric!

Really!
cjb56:
Every red state!!!
Really!! You really believe that!!
Right now you can write off California, Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming and Nevada.
You obviously need education about what is happening out west.
I predict Huck will likely even finish 3rd in Utah IF he were the ticket...THE redest of the red.
McCain would never play second fiddle to any one let alone Huck!
We need a uniter, not a divider!!

for Paladin-of-Reason
Paladin-of-Reason asks: "If the current boom is not helping all Americans then why is the average standard of living rising at a faster rate now than it did durring the reagan boom?"

Because the "average" is being skewed upward by the richest Americans. And as your math teacher explained to you that the "average" is not the same thing as the "median."

Consider: Here are four workers. Three of them each make $50,000 a year and the fourth one makes $200,000 a year. Their "average" income is $87,500 a year. A lot of good that does for the three of the four workers. Because the MEDIAN income is still $50,000 a year.

Now let's suppose that the fourth worker gets a 10% raise. He's now making $220,000 a year. That raises their "average" income of the four workers to $92,500. But the three workers making $50,000 haven't gained one extra penny. The MEDIAN income is still $50,000 a year.

The AVERAGE of American incomes is skewed upward when the richest 1% get even richer, even if no one else benefits.


If you look

Huck Consistently Kicks Romney's Rear
Someday brother Hugh will get a grip on reality. From day one, Governor Huckabee has kicked Romney's a*s up, down, left, right and center. He's outflanked him at every exchange and has allowed the silver spoon-fed bonehead to define himself without his having to go negative. The Governor is, by a country mile, more eloquent, thoughtful and is ten times the man that phony, plastic Romney is. Simply put, he connects with people and Willard doesn't. Huckabee is also clear on the issues, strong on the military home and abroad and his tax plan is bold yet accessible. He never "lobbied" for scholarships for illegals, he said that children of illegals who had achieved enough to qualify for possible scholarships should be allowed to do so. If you don't think Huckabee would be strong against illegals, you haven't paid attention. Stopping illegal immigration is where we're at as a country and, believe me, that will happen. So prattle on about how pitiful Mitt (the victim of main stream media," as sad Hugh puts it) can come back - the rest of us will look for a candidate (like Huckabee) who listens and can solve real God's honest problems.

for Paladin-of-Reason
Paladin-of-reason asks: "Secondly the analogy I am drwing is that the 100,000 wage earner may go up to 200,00, but what if the 20,000 earner goes up to 40,000? "

But he doesn't.

All these layoffs due to corporate restructuring only end up reducing the income of the less well off.

Suppose someone who used to have a nice blue-collar job in a factory loses it because the factory moves overseas. He's not going to get a new high-tech job that pays more. He's going to get a burger-flipping job or a cab-driving job that pays less.

And in this country, since health insurance is tied to your employment, lose your job with a big corporation due to layoffs, and you lose your health insurance. Try to buy health insurance on your own out of pocket--if you can--and you find it costs about $12,000 per year for a family of four. That represents an after-tax pay cut of $12,000 for that worker--which would be a before-tax pay cut of maybe $15,000 a year.

The "churning" effect of losing jobs, layoffs, corporate restructurings, health insurance cutbacks, etc., is only hurting workers without providing compensatory retraining for high-tech jobs. A high-tech job, unlike a factory job, requires a college degree. That costs maybe $80,000 for 4 years of college. Where is a laid-off worker going to get that kind of money?

It's obvious that you, and folks like you, have NEVER been laid off; NEVER been struck down by a chronic life-threatening illness; and in fact have NEVER suffered any real hardship in life and seen how hard it is to get back on your feet. Especially hard when the economy is in recession and jobs are hard to come by. Otherwise you would understand what I'm talking about.

Either that, or you're channeling Ebenezer Scrooge and you just don't care.

steve L
So,,, the populist policies of Huck will help the economy will they.

Please refer to the economies of EUROPE where for the last 40 years they have trailed REAL GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT of the USA.

They do about 1% and the USA does 4%.

WHY? because our PIE is growing bigger and faster than thiers due to NON POPULIST POLICIES.

You know what the EUROS say,,,, "misery loves company"
Yep,,,, they'd love a POPULIST like Huck for president.

Reagan abortion
Doesn't anyone remember that Ronald Reagan, the right-wing pro-life (near)god signed into law the most liberal pro-abortion bill as governor?
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040606/news_lz1x6 gov.html

He changed his mind. Mitt never signed any pro-abortion legislation.
George HW Bush was pro-abortion, as well.

Have you heard Mitt's plan for retraining? It is not a government division, the money would go to a new employer to pay to train you for the new job.

I have been laid off and the state said that there were jobs in my area, so I could not get retraining or other benefits. Some bureaucrat filled in a box. He was right, I was wrong. Take the government out of the way. Let the retraining money go to a new employer-an incentive to hire and train people.

Unlike the other candidates, Mitt has created jobs, has created successful companies. In the government, there is massive redundancies. That wastes our money on useless things and the jobs should be cut, or at least they should be doing something productive. That's right cut. Businesses are in the business of doing business. If you are not helping the business, they are wasting time and money.

Mitt understands the world market and how to make America competitive in the world. Unfair trade imbalance and tariffs from other countries will be attacked by Mitt. Huck would ask for another briefing.

McCain would yell at someone.

steve L
rack your brain some more and tell us why a company like MICROSOFT could have never happened in a POPULIST society like EUROPE.

You know, a company and industry that could only have happened in America that provides all those HIGH payin jobs YOU keep thinkin are leavin.

Open your mind and realize that the NEXT microsoft will come from this country because of the NON POPULIST shrill.

Finally, Steve L,,, feel for the common man in Europe who gets to keep less than HALF his income (if he has a job). I see you don't care much for him. Yep,,, he must be livin in nirvana land.

steve L
lets laugh some more about your comments on being laid off and not being able to get a JOB.

Now lets follow HUCK and push our economy closer to the EUROPEON model.

AND WAAALAAAAA suddenly we have even more layoffs and less JOBS.
BUTTT,,,, we got religion and JESUS don't we. so it's OK.

You all know JESUS never got a payin job either don't ya,,, other than the non payin one his father gave him.

Huckabee is the DEMS' best chance for
victory in 2008.

Seriously, folks. Democrats and the MSM are hoping and praying Huck will be the Republican nominee, because Shrillary or Obama (and the media) would make mincemeat of him!

Huckabee has NO CHANCE in the big *blue* northern states, and anywhere that people are more secular, such as in California, so there's no way he could win in the Electoral College system we have, even *if* he could win the popular vote, which in itself is highly unlikely.

1maschrom, that is the strategy!
Since all republican candidates can't afford to go one on one with Mitt's Money, the divide and conquer rule applies. McCaine wins NH, Rudy takes some states and Huck takes some states - this means Romney the liar and man with shared values of political expediency - becomes a non-factor in the nomination process. I am okay with a combined ticket of any of the other candidates BUT NOT ROMNEY UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES - LETS NOT GET LIED TO OR BOUGHT BY THIS LYING RICH REPUBLICAN - its a shame he is even in this contest!

Does anyone CARE that Huckabee's state
released convicted rapists (like Wayne Dumond) from prison with specific orders that they had to LEAVE ARKANSAS and go to *another state*?

(Wayne Dumond went to Missouri and raped and killed at least one other--and maybe more--young woman in the Kansas City area. Dumond was paroled after Huckabee interceded with the parole board on his behalf--AFTER a group of *ministers* had pled with Huckabee for Dumond's release.)

steve L
I'd like to know if you consider the taxes raised by HUCK in ARKANSAS (more than BILL) if you think HUCK was being an EBANEAZOR SCROOGE for doubling the amount of taxes citizens in that state pay?

Why or why not?

If I decided to double YOUR taxes would you consider ME as an ebaneazor scrooge?
If I pardoned over 1000 criminals including murderers (more than all the bordering states combined) would that make me a scrooge?
If I grew the size of the state govt bigger/faster than even Bill clinton did would that qualify?
If I pushed for amnesty and gave the mexican govt. an office for $1 so they can more readily assimilate illegal immigrants would you consider me as a scrooge to all the rest of the BLUE COLLAR non illegals in the state?

And finally, If i set up a wedding registry at a LUXURY store. And YOU failed to give me something really nice from it should i then consider YOU the scrooge?

Please do tell.

Please, SPARE US the endless GOMER jokes
which would become obnoxiously omnipresent if Huckabee were to be the Republican nominee.

The only people his nomination would be good for are the MSM and the late night tv hosts, SNL, etc.

Romney is Unelectable!
48% of americans have said, under no circumstances would they vote for Romney - regardless of who the other candidate may be........Romniacs, please believe americans - they see Mitt for what he is - a man with a candor gap, a clarity gap and character gap. Plus HIS RECORD, COMPLETE RECORD IS DAMNING! Who is Romney - am not sure he can answer that question except to say. I am who you want me to become, will you vote for me? Yak!!!!! I hope he gets used to coming 2nd because that will be his best finish in any state where voters believe in character! He is second to ALL other candidates when it comes to candor, clarity and character. Even when we disagree, we should respect any man who takes a stand on important issues. Romney lacks the character to take a stand on anything for more than one election cycle. Has Romney been consistent on any ONE ISSUE? How will he unite the party center-right? on what issue ? He is a phoney!!!!!!!

Tricia CT holder of truth,
shouldn't you be busy putting together a negative ad for all other republican candidates who are not saints! America can see Romney exactly for what he is - a phoney! Stop the bashing now and focus on something positive for a change.

Romney has ALWAYS said Marriage is the
"union of a man and a woman."

Is there *any other* candidate who has done as much to defend the rights of children to have *both a mom and a dad*? (Also the rights of religious based organizations such as Catholic Charities to have freedom of religion in their policies?)

Is there any candidate other than Romney who is insisting on a Federal Defense of Marriage Constitutional Amendment?

Chip, you and Hugh can start
a support group named "evangelicals for Romney". In the meantime, evangelicals and ALL AMERICANS WHO AREN'T IMPRESSED BY MONEY can see a fake when he speaks and based on his record. Get over it, there will not be a lying mormon in the whitehouse. Latter Day!

Sarah, sling insults all you want, but
Huckabee (as well as the other candidates--except for Hillary, apparently) cannot hide from his actual record of ACTIONS.

thru and thru, here is the strategy
all other republican candidates kick Romney out because he really is running on the wrong shared values of political expediency. After that goal is accomplished, republicans get to pick a president. Unfortanately for the republic - Romney has a problem with reality and he still thinks he can win the nomination. Its like watching the cartoon walk off the edge of the cliff saying out loud....what law of gravity? Any other republican on a weak day is better than Romney on his best day in a general election. He is status quo and he is a liar?????

To TriciaCT
Who is the ONLY governor to make Gay Marriage LEGAL?

Hmmm, let me think, that would be

MITT ROMNEY

What matters is results, not mere talk. Romney made Massachusetts the first state to make gay marriage legal.
Swing and miss, strike 1

Romney also promised to get a marriage resolution on the Massachusetts ballot, which he didn't do.
Swing and miss, strike 2

Electing Romney president
Swing and miss, the pro-family movement is out

TriciaCT, nobody is looking
for a perfect record because it does not exist. However, people are looking for a candidate who is authentic enough to accept responsibility for his or her record. Romniacs like yourself cherry pick his record trying to make him out to be a conservative. After all the money is spent and he is not nominated I want you to remember - ROMNEY WAS HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS RECORD AS GOVERNOR - BEING MORMON WAS JUST ICING ON THE CAKE! and no I don't hate Romney. I just hate that the thinks he can buy conservatives....when he finally gets a reality grip and stop bad mouthing other republican candidadates directly or through his mouth pieces - I will stop writing about him. Until then, the campaign to stop Romney continues.

The Republican Circular Firing Squad
In action, right here on townhall.

Good Grief!!!
People -

It's Mormon (M-O-R-M-O-N) and Reagan (R-E-A-G-A-N)

I wouldn't expect anyone to listen to me if I went off on the Townhill puntits and a Babtist preecher concerned that their are so many ignernt peeple in the werld.

Typo's are one thing -- especially in the fast and furious world of comment wars -- but, how can anyone believe you have your facts straight when you can't even keep your spelling in check. Take the time to get your spelling and your facts right.

Thakns
Fe2o3 wood it wure so

PhxR--the COURT gave MA SSM. see EFM for
the TRUTH about what Gov. Romney DID to protect Marriage and the rights of children. No one has done more on the issue of fighting to protect the traditional family structure as the foundation of this Nation.

Romney even stated a few weeks ago in a speech or interview that the issue is so important to him, that if his campaign goes down because of it, "then so be it."

Below is a link for the FACTS on Gov. Romney's *actual record,* rather than the lies that have been repeated about him by MassResist and others.

http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org/massresistance/therealtr uth.pdf

Hope
With Husksters like Sarah it gives me great hope that there is NO WAY that Huckabee will ever get the GOP nomination.
Let alone the presidency.
Count the Red states of the past and divide by 3 and that is the maximum he could ever get.
Deal with it!

To PhxRising
Who is the ONLY governor to make Gay Marriage LEGAL?

Hmmm, let me think, that would be

MITT ROMNEY
-----
Wow, talk about a swing and a miss. There wasn't even a pitch there and you whiffed it. Even MassResistance can't say that Romney made gay marriage LEGAL. The constitution of Massachusetts explicitly says only the legislature can make laws. So they are the only ones that make anything legal or illegal. What the Mass. Supreme Court decided was that they would no longer use the common-law interpretation of the word marriage (i.e. one-man-one-woman) when interpreting Mass. law. Since Mass. law concerning marriage licenses didn't explicitly define marriage as one-man-one-woman, the Supreme Court found that Mass. law didn't make gay marriage (as they definied it), explicitly illegal. The court gave the legislature 180 days to add explicit language to the law to define marraige, but they refused to.

This is akin one of the Huckabee points in his not-gonna-go-negative-but-here-it-is-anyway-add that Mitt Romney didn't execute a single criminal as Governor in Mass. Given that Mass. doesn't have the death penalty, I would be more concerned if someone could show me where Romney HAD executed a criminal during his term as Governor. Now that would be news.

Used to like Huckabee--but his stunt
last week getting FREE ADVERTISING all over Iowa, by *pretending* to take the high road, by pulling a negative (anti-Romney) ad--and then showing it to all the reporters (who then broadcast it FREE all over the state)...

Just about made me hate him.

If Huck is the nominee
I would hold my nose and vote for him over any Democrat in the field. I am a Mormon and I personally think that the Baptist Governor from Arkansas is egregiously dishonest and incredibly shallow--a man who has misused religion as a stepping stone in Iowa--but he is better than any one of the Democratic candidates.

Now let's see whether our Evangelical brethren would hold up their end of the bargain if Romney is the nominee.

Let's see who really has consevative values.

Sarah and Scooter, pardon but your anti-Mormon bieas is showing.

Wake up or this fool will be the nominee
One thing never mentioned is the last minute ENDORSEMENT by National Review. That's right, I said ENDORSEMENT. The put him on the cover and declared we all need to watch out because Huckleberry is THE NEW BUSH. Yes, the man who won the last two elections. His mantle was (spit on first, of course, he's Not Rod*) and handed to Huck the Nut. Don't I wish, but Huck was Bush. He isn't even Clinton.
*Rod a space saving contraction of Reagan/God.

OHIO SABA/HUCKABEE WIN

.....If you subtract the votes Huck got from Evangicals ...he finished in forth place ...where is he going to go after he runs out of Evangicals? ...

.....GW won the Evangical vote and he barely beat two doofuses in tight races ...Evangicals cannot carry the Republican Party ...they would never win a Blue State and if the Party doesn't pick up some Blue States soon then we might as well put a match to the Constitution and learn to love Big Brother .....COLOSSUS

IMASCHROM

.....If Paul dropped out would his followers support Fred Thompson? ...

.....I don't see why not ...Fred believes in Federalism and States Rights and is close to Paul on following the Constitution ...he also has come out against the ACLU and the NEA ...two of Liberalism's biggest sacred cows .....COLOSSUS

Huck as a candidate
Just a few questions. Why won't Huck release his sermons? Never did get a real answer on that one, but it seems a little Clintonesque not to release them. What ideas does he have to stimulate the economy, besides dipping his hand in the collection plate or raising taxes? Finally, does he have a wife? Never seem to see or hear from her, but considering she is married to someone who looks like Jack Elam (no offense Mr. Elam)with a shave, it may be best she's kept covered.

TADPOLE

.....Jump back in your mud puddle son ...according to Numbers USA Immigration rankings ...Hunter ranks Ex 34 pts ...Thompson good 28 pts ...Huck fair 18 pts and McCain bad down with the Democrats .....COLOSSUS

God Has a Sense of Humor
That can be the only reason for last nights results. Big wins by a democrat senator with less 'experience' than Hillary and a governor supported almost exclusively by the born again. This is something out of Monty Python. The Big Guy is looking at Hillary with the third place ribbon and he is laughing his *ss off.

RE: Bigotry
It's getting a little tiresome hearing Huckabee's religious background used against him over and over again. Do we perhaps have a few people charging evangelicals with "bigotry" who are in fact "biggoted" themselves against evangelical Christians? What would we think if someone talked about that "Mormon Governor of Massachusetts"???? I don't hold Romney's religion against him; why is it repeatedly mentioned in a somewhat derogatory way about Huckabee. (This comment is not directed specifically at Mr. Hewitt's article)

I don't know who is best for this Country. But let's stop smearing Mr. Huckabee, and in effect, the people who support him. Much of what I have seen have been derogatory innuendoes based more on hearsay rather than a careful checking of all the facts.

I respect Mr. Hewitt and his opinion, but on his man Romney he appears to have gone way off the end into panic mode.

To Steven L
If Steven L had take a statistics class he would know that the term "average" when applied to population statistics such as wage earning is not literally the explicit average as he believes. The find the median and the create a standard deviation based on the distribution of income. That is how it is counted. As current statistics indicate based on the model outlined below people in wage and salary jobs are rising faster than at almost any time in history. Not everyone has lost their job and can't find one like you.

Brent, the Incorrect
"Peggy Noonan is also beginning to realize that conservatives must change. She writes of Huckabee's supporters in her Column in tomorrow's Wall Street Journal, “ the thing really pushing his supporters, is that they believe that what ails America and threatens its continued existence is not economic collapse or jihad, it is our culture."

Conservatives must change? I infer from this that conservatives must embrace statism wholeheartedly and begin, as any fascist or Marxist would, dictating morality through force of government. I can believe that is indeed the future of conservatism. Conservatives were never genuine defenders of freedom, and between them and their leftist counterparts America is on a "Progressive" road to decline.

doesnt need the job
mitt romney doesnt need the job..but the nation needs him!he can go back and live a nice life!
huck is going to be short .....bet money on it!
iam so sure of that..i went out and put big bucks on it!$1.50......!!
iowa..didnt care..if huckabee had pardoned charlie manson !! says quite a lot...he wants illegals to have a party ! iowa voters didnt care!
right off iowa..maybe we should sell iowa to mexico..they would screw it up even worse..and beg us to buy it back for a 80% discount!but wait a minute...25%+ said we care about all this crap mikey boy did! they voted for the other candidates!! maybe we could relocate them..then sell iowa to mexico...or maybe we could just declare iowa..a natural disaster.....and quarentee the place..as mentally unbalanced!
elvis

doesnt need the job
mitt romney doesnt need the job..but the nation needs him!he can go back and live a nice life!
huck is going to be short .....bet money on it!
iam so sure of that..i went out and put big bucks on it!$1.50......!!
iowa..didnt care..if huckabee had pardoned charlie manson !! says quite a lot...he wants illegals to have a party ! iowa voters didnt care!
right off iowa..maybe we should sell iowa to mexico..they would screw it up even worse..and beg us to buy it back for a 80% discount!but wait a minute...25%+ said we care about all this crap mikey boy did! they voted for the other candidates!! maybe we could relocate them..then sell iowa to mexico...or maybe we could just declare iowa..a natural disaster.....and quarentee the place..as mentally unbalanced!
elvis

Evangelicals
Mel...Your right on. Many are biggots against Evangelicals. If was a candidate and I could choose one base it would be the "evangelicals".


I attended Boy State in 1995 in Arkansas and Huckabee spoke. To the right of me was an earring wearing long haired left- wing that told me he hated Huckabee. I told him he should withold his judgement until after he speaks. Anyways, Huckabee gave an awesome, motivating speech and guess what, without me asking, the kid next to me said, "I changed my mind about this guy" I remember thinking, "Wow, this guy could be President one day."

barnvette and mel
Romney did'nt attack Hucks religion, it was Huck attacking Romneys...
You have probably forgotten or forgiven or cheered for Hucks little mormons satan and jesus brothers thing..

But thats OK.... I mean you don't have to view Huck as a BIGOT. You do have some precedence on your side...
The German people sure did'nt view HITLER as a BIGOT against the jews.
David Duke of the KKK sure is not considered a BIGOT by his fellow members of the KKK.
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton also assume they are not BIGOTS as well. And all the LIBERAL DEMS that push for RACE based programs believe they are NOT.

So there you have it.... many cases and instances of Bigots that are supported by others who don't think they are.
Huckabee is not the first and most certainly will not be the last.

Don't be discouraged you 2,,,, history is rife with political figures just like yourselves and HUCK.
Your not alone and in good company.

daddyO
I stated that evangelicals won't vote for Mitt because he is a MORMON. Mormons NOW won't vote for Huck because he told them he considers them a cult.

How that makes me out to be something as ANTI MORMON is beyond me.

PS... Mormons have in the past voted for many evangelicals they considered as WITH THEM on the values stuff. After Hucks comments and IOWA voters 2/3 of whom claimed the importance of voting for somebody of the same faith. I think the MORMON vote may be changing,,, probably not to the DEMOS side but independant not voting apathetic etc....
Understanding this I think the GOP in pushing Huck in IOWA is now past HUCKACIDE.... to RELIGICIDE....
Huckacide is just death to the party while Huck is around. Religicide is death to the party from here on out.


EVANGELICALS WILL VOTE FOR ROMNEY
Someone said: "Iowa has shown that evangelicals will not vote for a mormon. Mitt will not win the general election without them."

I beg to differ. If Mitt is the only electable conservative left standing, most evangelicals WILL for him.

The only reason the Iowa evangelicals didn't was because they had Pastor Mike as an alternative. When Pastor Mike is out of the race (as he will be soon, along with Thompson) you will see most Evangelicals throw their support to Mitt.

Mitt Will Not Make It
Mitt cannot relate to the average American! Like Forbes before him he is too much of an Elitist! Totally unable to connect with the majority of America. If the GOP wants a Dem in the White House just keep backing this guy. Romney Vs Obama is a sure win for Obama. Mitt Romney has no Charisma and is just plain unlikable! On the issues Mitts number of Flip Flops makes Ron Jon Surf Shop worry!

The Republican Party
The Republican Party gets its votes from three
fairly distinct and disparate groups. The "I want
to get to heaven" group, the "I want to carry
my gun everywhere and at any time" group and the "I want to get rich" group. They make accommodations for each other because that is the only way they would ever win anything on a national level.

Having lived in Iowa myself for awhile, I can tell you that Huckabee won because of the I want to get to heaven crowd. Romney didn't have a chance because he at least at one time accepted abortion as a right. Most Iowans don't have that many issues about guns. They are not typically paranoid and so they carry their guns during hunting season and put them away when it is over.
Most don't feel the need to fondle them.
Illegal immigration is barely on the radar because, though there are pockets of Hispanics in Iowa, they are pretty much all legal. And also
Iowans don't have that much trouble with the
government telling the citizenry what to do as
long as it is along the Christian and the uber-
patriotic line.

Hillary didn't have a chance in Iowa because she is a woman, and then of course, there is that thing about killing Vince Foster.

It will be interesting to see what happens during
the rest of the campaigns. Except maybe for the
religion thing, I don't think that NH will be
much different from Iowa, on the Right side.
But after that, I haven't a clue.

It has never been just about issues...
Hugh made a point about Huckabee (and possibly McCain) winning the first contests, even though they are not really in lockstep with the conservative establishment. But it has always been true that a candidate is more than just a collection of policy positions. People didn't just vote for Ronald Reagan because they liked his politics - they voted for Reagan because they liked HIM. It's the same with Huckabee and McCain (and especially with Obama, for that matter). The caucus isn't a repudiation of mainstream conservatism. It's a statement that mitt Romney, for all his good attributes (and he has lots), just didn't inspire people on an emotional level. In politics, just like in sales, people buy with their hearts and justify it with logic. Mitt never closed the sale on iowans hearts.

Evangelical Hostility is Gratuitous
Give me a break. Mr. Romney is from a religious minority; how can he be the establishment candidate? The US government, evangelicals, state of Illlinois, get in line, have all sought to destroy the Mormons for years. They have 150 plus years of open season on them. Would you people just grow up for a minute? These blogs are alll just childish religous apologetics. Come on, anti-mormonism is a bloody cottage industry. No amount of money can overcome bigotry. Why was Mr. Romney up so big in Iowa until the anti-mormon junta? why are you all wasting your time beating on Mr. Romneyy, justifying why you didn't vote for him. I dont' see anyone talking about McCain, or Paul, or Giuliani, or Thompson. Shame on you. Your transparency is blinding!

Most of you so called conservative bloggers are just plain embarrassing. Why can't you just say "we like Huck's populism; we trust him because he's an evangelical like us", and leave it at that. Fa evangelicals were supporting Mitt before the anti-mormon crusade led by Mr. Huckabee.

Earth to Evangelicals . . why do you want to alienate the rest of the world? Mitt, Mitt, Mitt, that's all you idiots ever talk about. Where is the gloating over McCain's meager showing, or Giulianis? Get some class. If you want to go after the establishment, go after McCain. If ou want to go after a pro-lifer, go after Giuliani. After all, they're the national leaders. . . .they're the establishment . . . Mit is and always has been a long shot. And in the end, the stupid mormons on your side. you might need them some time. why alienate them when you don't have to?

Evangelicals . . . walking in the path of Jesus.

Hugh Hewitt is a cry baby
Someone stick a pacifier in Hugh's mouth to stop him from crying already! Or maybe we should have a suicide watch for Hugh, I'm not sure he's gonna make it thru another Romney loss in New Hampshire! Face it Hugh, Mitt the Flip's campaign is imploding, there's no "surge" going to happen in N.H. and Mitt will probably be out of the race soon. All the money in the world can't win an election for a flip-flopping pander bear like Romney.

And look, now Mitt's running ads in Michigan promosing to protect the auto industry. Guess Mitt will even abandon Hugh's beloved Free-Trade dogma when it no longer works for him. Do us all a favor Hugh, stop advocating for candidates, your track record stinks!

Mitt Romney is Toast
How can a man say that he is a "fiscal conservative" when he spends 1,500% more money than his nearest competitor and still loses?

If Romney were half the candidate that Messrs. Hewett, Sekulow, et al. claim that he is, Romney should have blown Mike Huckabee away.

Beyond this, the evangelical vote is powerful---especially in the south. Mitt Romney is not going to win in South Carolina, or Mississipi, or Tennessee. Why? Mitt has essentially said that Iowa is an outlier because evangelicals came out in droves the other night. Well, evangelicals are going to come out in droves in these states, and it will be ugly for Mitt.

They are not going to vote for a guy who claims to don the very mantle of Reaganism that he so vociferously rejected in the early nineties.

thematman.blogspot.com


Matt--evangelicals vote for commandment
breaker--but I guess that's okay-- that "the ends justify the means."

I will qualify that to state that SOME evangelicals will, and some WON'T vote for Huckabee.

I'm speaking of Huckabee and the COMMANDMENT that says "Thou shalt not bear false witness."

Romney, otoh, has been running ads based on FACTS about opponents' actual voting and or governing records.

You should read the below article which lists some of Huckabee's actual compromising of principles, as well as ignorant "gaffes."

http://www.townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2008/01/05/ huckabee_gaffes_tarnish_credibility?

If You Don't Win in NH or IA ...
... you aren't going to become President. Every elected President has won in one of those two states during the Primaries.

Are you seriously suggesting that Mitt has a chance of being elected President if he doesn't come in first in NH?

I guess this is the downside of picking a loser, eh, Hugh?

Huck supporters
I used to be a Huckabee supporter. Then I decided to do some research. I soon discovered the column where Huckabee made a reference about Bush's so-called "bunker mentality." I realized he had made identical remarks in a speech. After Secretary of State Rice responded to questioning about it, Huckabee said he didn't remember saying it. After all that preparation, he said it the first time, then remembered to say it again, but then he forgot it. The deeper I looked the more disappointed I became. He absolutely is not a conservative or presidential material. He may be a good man whose just in way over his head, but his followers consistently advertise their Christianity then act like total obnoxious jerks.

Lemonade
In your very last sentence, Lemonade, you summed up your knowledge of politics very well. You "haven't a clue."


The (Really) Long Campaign
Romney's campaign won't last much longer, Huckabee has peaked, McCain will get his few minutes of fame in NH and Gullinia will not get the base support.....I suggest Fred Thompson will come up the middle.....he'll be the Republican leader...

JJ
"In your very last sentence, Lemonade, you summed up your knowledge of politics very well. You "haven't a clue."

Presuming that you are not posting another pouty,
childish response, but that you (unlike most of
the rest of us) DO have a clue as to what is going
to happen after New Hampshire, perhaps you would
like to share it with the rest of us.

the hewitt bounce
If I we're a a greasy, disingenuous slickster like Mitt, I would ask that low brow, dim-wit Hugh Hewitt to back someone like Rudy. It's like his Notre Dame call against USC. While he's at it, Hugh should move to a red state.

Illegal Invasion a Non-Issue
The Republican candidates nor the debate moderators will talk about immigration - it's a loser. Republicans cannot talk about immigration, or race, without being called racist, which just reinforces the Republican=Racist paradigm that the left and the media have so carefully constructed and nurtured.

Republicans can't talk about Social Security, education, the environment, or many other issues, either, because the left has painted them into a corner, and Republicans haven't learned how to fight back. The evangelicals are immune because the democrats haven't learned the right formula for smearing them - yet. So Huckabee and McCain prosper because they get a pass from the left. Huckabee talks "populism" like Edwards, he gets a pass. McCain talks global warming, talks amnesty, he gets a pass.

Hugh and Romney: Roosting Chickens
"The clothes have no emperor"

Hardly anyone believes Romney. Hugh rarely takes callers from his opponents and never gives them even a minute to get heard.

This is one why Romney is losing. They are so afraid that he will actually have to answer questions about his record, that they won't listen.

The excuses are mounting. He blamed Evangelicals in Iowa and Independents in New Hampshire.

How in the world does Romney expect to win without Evangelicals and Independents? Mormons?

ROMNNEY-Fiscal Con Blows Thru $120mill
ROMNEY BEGGING FOR $$$ TODAY LIKE A LITTLE B I T C H............"The public spectacle, a rarity for the normally tightly controlled Romney political operation, included APPEALS for calm from a top financial backer, eBay CEO Meg Whitman, and a top political supporter, former Sen. Jim Talent of Missouri. "To a person, we remain optimistic that we still have a CHANCE to win this thing," Whitman told the crowd, which included everyone from Fortune 500 executives to entrepreneurs. Spencer Zwick, Romney's national finance director, told the phone bankers: "If for some reason he is not the nominee, all those funds WILL BE RETURNED to the donor himself.
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