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Thursday, December 20, 2007
Hugh Hewitt :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Home Stretch: The Smart Money Is On Mitt
by Hugh Hewitt
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A year ago the MSM story was John McCain --frontrunner, even though he wasn't.

Six months ago the MSM story was Fred's groundswell --except, it wasn't.

Three month's ago, the MSM swooned over Newt --for a weekend.

In the past month, the MSM has been booming the Huckaboom, even though it is already a Huckabust.

Never have so many pundits been so wrong about so much.

A few pundits --John Podhoretz, Fred Barnes, some of the gang at NationalReview.com's The Corner and of course yours truly-- have called it a two man race from early '07: Mitt v. Rudy. The former Massachusetts governor intended to do well early and build an unstoppable momentum. The former New York mayor intended to hang back until Florida's late January vote, watch the field filet each other, and then launch his campaign for real in the Sunshine State.

Both candidates are still on plan, and the various threats (Huckabee in Iowa, McCain in New Hampshire) to the Romney plan and the various premature obituaries penned on the Giuliani plan all overlook the fundamental fact that more than 50% of the GOP is pledged to either of these two men. That is because these are the two candidates who can beat Hillary or Obama. None of the other three have shown themselves capable of raising the money, the energy, or the coalition to manage that task. Thus if Romney falters, his voters will largely go to Rudy. And if Mittmentum gets a win or a place in both Iowa or New Hampshire, the conservative vote will flow to him further down the road.

The GOP traditionally nominates the most conservative candidate who can win in November. "Conservative" means "conservative" across the three coalitions of values voters, economic growthers, and national security firsters. (See my May, 1998 Weekly Standard article "Our Six Party System" for details on the GOP's three parties and the Dems' three parties.).

Mike Huckabee isn't an economic conservative and he certainly isn't a national security conservative given his comments on Iran. The Huck's comments on Iran are disqualifying, period. Naivete is charming in many people and situations, but not in a would-be president on the greatest threat to world stability.

John McCain is strong on the war, but against the Bush tax cuts, against the First Amendment, against the rule of 51 and his party's leadership in the Senate when it comes to judges, in favor of the McCain-Kennedy immigration bill and decidedly not a Party man.

Fred just doesn't evidence the ability to muster the energy it will take to beat Clinton, Inc or Obama-Oprah.

That leaves Romney and Giuliani. Both men have very enthusiastic, not-for-turning bases of support. Both took on Russert and stayed in the ring for the distance. Both can raise funds and enthusiasm with extended exposure.

Voters can imagine both of them as president on a day of crisis.

In recent weeks, beginning with the College Station speech on religious liberty, Romney has been consolidating conservative influencers, and the National Review's endorsement was a very big deal. To this growing recognition that he is the most conservative candidate who can win and unite the three factions within the GOP is married the recognition of his grasp of the enormous complexities of the globalized economy and the myriad security threats facing the country. He also has the organization, the financing, the discipline and the energy necessary to wage the long campaign ahead. All of those things combine with a fierce intellect that is capable of adapting his campaign to a rapidly changing electoral environment, and a public-spirited heart that cynics mock but the public appreciates. The years of anticipating where markets would be three and four years out when a company had to go public have also given Romney a crucial edge over his competitors --strategic vision. He isn't thinking just about next week or month, but also next year. This vision will be invaluable against the Clintons.

Mike Huckabee played the anti-Mormon card against Romney, and it hasn't worked, thus proving the old adage that if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger. A lot of GOP primary voters were wondering if Romney could overcome that inevitable bit of unAmerican nastiness, and Huckabee's introduction of the issue early allowed Romney to handle it and allay the fears of the pragmatist, Al Davis "Just Win Baby" Republicans. Had the Mormon issue not been so crassly injected by Huckabee --by accident or intentional act-- a significant number of primary participants would have voted wondering if Romney could cope with it when launched by Hillary or a 527. Now they know he can. And the surfacing of the bigotry on the left has reminded values voters that the secular absolutists don't just hate Romney's LDS faith, but all sincerely held beliefs in a Creator. The noisy fringe will be as embarrassed of their anti-Mormon tirades in ten years as the anti-Catholic voters of 1960 were by 1970. It isn't wrong to debate theology at all, or to wholly reject Mormon beliefs. It is very wrong to carry that debate into the public square and declare a private or public religious test for office. 2007 has seen this debate play out --again. All but the very blind know it has been decided against the test enthusiasts.

Similarly, Rudy has been taking spear after spear on a variety of issues and while he has slipped a bit in the polls, he hasn't collapsed, and he is still sitting atop the big state polls waiting to see if Romney buckles or if Romney's voters come to him. The country knows Rudy. They know his past, the good and the bad. And it will not be an issue in the fall if the GOP puts him atop the ticket.

The long campaign has shown all of the candidates for exactly who they are and what they stand for. Absent a major mistake between now and February 5, Mitt Romney will be the GOP nominee. If he does stumble badly, Rudy will be there to take Romney's voters and the nomination, and then head off for the postponed show-down with Hillary.

Either way, the campaign has served the GOP very well indeed.

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The Huckaboom is over?
Keep lying to yourself, Hugh. If that makes you sleep better at night then by all means keeping telling yourself that. Just remember that the fact that you keep repeating a lie over and over again still doesn't make it true.

...
Even if you are right Hugh, I think you and other Romney supporters are in for a fun ride come the general election when Mitt starts running BACK towards the middle and changes many of his last minute conservative 'conversions' on the issues.

Do me a favor Hugh and do a YouTube search on Romney's flip-flops. Then come back and tell your viewers with a straight face the man is genuine.

NBC/WSJ poll

Hugh apparently has not yet seen the new poll which shows Romney tied with Giuliani for first place nationally at 20%. Huckabee is second at 17%.

First poll I have ever seen with Romney in first place (albeit tied).

Once Hewitt sees this no doubt he'll be taking the fourth of july equipment out a half year early to put on a fireworks celebration.

It is only one poll so far but the other recent polls have shown Romney inching closer to Rudy and Huck so it is plausible that he may have pulled even.

In a race where the candidates have seen a lot of up and down in their fortunes, what they really have got to be hoping is that they happen to be the one surging right when the rubber meets the road.

Romney hasn't really had a surge at all in this whole campaign, although he has had a pretty steady but not very impressive standing in the polls, and he has bolstered his standing in some of the early states from time to time.

I think his biggest strength is simply that he is not someone that most people are going to react negatively to, aside from the religious thing and I think that has been way overstated.

(the notion that he could not win the general election because he is a Mormon, a notion I believe if I am not mistaken that Dick Morris was peddling recently, I think is sheer bunk)

So anyway, Rudy, Huckabee, and McCain generate a strong negative reaction among a substantial segment of Republican voters. For me, I react that way with all three and mainly because of their left wing policies on illegal immigration.

Thompson and Romney are two that it is hard to see anyone getting real upset about. Thompson of course has simply failed to gel due to a perceived lack of passion for the campaign.

That leaves Romney.




Huck
I used to like some parts of him, such as his support of family and support of changing our tax system. But his attack on the LDS church and fellow Christians, his ignornace on International issues, his liberal policy positions with reguards to big spending and taxing government. I can just not support this liar Huck. Huck and Howard Dean are gonna have a lot in common here real soon other than their political positions.

BTW why is the MSM failing to mention that not only does Huck know about the LDS Church but he was the KEY speaker at a Baptist anti LDS rally in Salt Lake City several years back which was the biggest ever. Huck is a liar and a loser.

part 2
My guess at this point is that Rudy starts to get aggressive. After all, he's the anti-terror warrior, right? It kind of surprises me that Rudy has been so out of the picture lately. Actually, I guess the main reason is because all the attention has been on Huckabee. It just might happen that Huckabee winds up being the spoiler that derails Giuliani and opens the door for a Romney victory, rather than the other way around.

The concern for the Giuilani campaign was if Romney came out winning the early primaries, and Giuliani faded into the woodwork.

What if Huckabee and Romney finish first and second in the early primaries. Doesn't that still cause Giuliani to fade into the woodwork?

And, if so, then Romney swoops in for the win because Huckabee is not going to play nationally. Ironically, Romney would sprint past Huckabee by winning the Blue states, in other words, Romney would win the nomination by winning in Rudy territory.


At any rate, that's where things appear headed at this point. I don't see McCain making a surge. Even if he came in a close second in NH, or even if he actually WON NH, I think he would fizzle after that.

Thompson is maybe the last wild card. I could see him still having a surge. Hard to imagine it not being too little too late, but who would have predicted that Huckabee would be able to move up to the first tier with his little song and dance act, so you just never know.

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jc
JC: you bet I expect Romney to shift toward the center in the general. But if he still maintained some degree of conservatism running in the blue state of Mass, then he certainly will in a national election.


I do agree that Romney is fickle. But, in my view you can do even worse.

In the case of Giuliani, he is steadfast. Steadfastly liberal. Is it better to have a steadfast liberal than a wishy washy conservative?

With Huckabee, people are more varied in their opinions. Some think he is steadfast in his liberalism, while others feel he is doing a lot of back flipping to portray himself as a conservative. My view is that he is the latter. Certainly on immigration he is. Although, he's not a very talanted phony because he has been pitching a "Pence-style" legalization program for illegals where they have to touch one foot across the US border and then they get papers that allow them to stay in the US. That happens to conflict with his very own supposed immigration plan that he released recently. If he wants to phony up his position, he needs to do it in a more convincing way. Not that I would ever be convinced, considering his history. But some people might be.

Huckabee
Huckabee continues to blatantly position himself as the "Christian Candidate. I saw part of spot tonight on Huck's Christmas ad. In the background over Huck's left shoulder is a white book case that is lighted just right so that it forms a cross. It is cropped by a wreath so that you can't miss it.

Huckabee has not positioned himself so that he could be the nominee of the whole party if he did get the nomination. He has blatantly interjected religion into this campaign. He has done it on more than one occasion and that is consistent with his campaigns in AR.

Romney seems to slowly be gathering strength. Huck seems to have peaked. He does have a core of enthused supporters. It remains to be seem how organized they are.

New scandals by Rudy could drop Rudy to 3rd. He does have the money and core to hang in all of the way to the convention. Huck may have a large enough and strong enough core to hang in to the nomination.

Barring a major gaff, Romney should gather more strength until he becomes the front runner.

Hugh's Payback
WoW - I'm amazed Hugh writes a piece praising himself and Mitt-Flop. I wonder how much Hugh is being paid for being in the tank for Mitt. It is probably a spot in his administration. Hugh's bias is so rank it stinks higher than the MSM. I'm glad they pulled his show off our local station.

Hugh, I hate to break it to you but true conservatives are not as stupid as you think. Keep living in your dream world.

Final note - I love how Hugh redefines conservatism as "values voters, economic growthers, and national security firsters." It goes to show that he sees conservatism as pleasing people instead of having principals. It reveals a lot to me about who he really is.

the smart money? actually...
Actually the *really* smart money is
on Hugh announcing on his radio show that
he received a midnight visit from
the Anglel Moroni commanding him to
write more Romney puff pieces.


That awful cross!
BG writes: Thursday, December, 20, 2007 1:19 AM
to blatantly position himself as the "Christian Candidate. I saw part of spot tonight on Huck's Christmas ad. In the background over Huck's left shoulder is a white book case that is lighted just right so that it forms a cross. It is cropped by a wreath so that you can't miss it.
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Yes BG, i heard about that awful cross
in Huck's Christmas greeting-Ooops,
I meant to say "X-Mas Greeting"

Happy Holidays! oh no! wait, that actually comes from the words "Holy days" .

Oh I know: happy retail sales week! That should make all you secular "economic conservatives" happy.






Hugh's Ratings Plummet...
Hugh has been alienating so many Christians, that more and more are tuning out his radio show.

Way to lose a huge chunk of your audience, Hugh.

Check out your ratings.
They're in the toilet.
Dead last in your timeslot.

Your station manager already cut your show from 3 hours to 2 hours because you weren't pulling in those drive-time numbers.

Next up, you'll be FIRED.

Hugh the Romney Shill
I listen to your show because you are on right after Medved and I'm too lazy to change the dial.

All I can say is, wow, you sure are deep in bed with Romney. What kind of job does he have lined up for you? Are you hoping to be the next Tony Snow?

Your show has always been boring and your Cleveland baseball schtick was a real turnoff, but these constant attacks on Huckabee and your shilling for Romney is over the top. Just admit it, you have a man crush on him or is it that job you have waiting in the Romney whitehouse.

Reuters Latest Poll Numbers 12-19-2007
Hugh breaks down in tears upon reading the latest poll numbers from Reuters 12-19-2007:

"Among likely Republican voters who say they are 'very conservative,' Huckabee drew the support of 43 percent, with Thompson second at 20 percent and Romney third at 16 percent."

"Those voters who describe themselves as 'born again' gave Huckabee the lead at 33 percent, with McCain in second at 17 percent and Romney with 14 percent."

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN195215912007121 9?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0

Among voters who describe themselves as "very conservative"...

Huckabee 43%
Romney 16%

Among voters who describe themselves as "born again"...

Huckabee 33%
Romney 14%

Wow! Romney is sinking faster than the Titanic. Captian Hugh in denial, screams at the top of his lungs, as he descends into the icy abyss.

I've got to post this again...
because the theme is consistent with you Huck supporters.

with so many liberals posting here and yes, that includes the Huck fans because that is who you'd be voting for with him as your choice. What the rest of us see in Gov Huckabee is his past, while Gov., ethic violations, his clemency and pardoning issues, his recent flip on immigration that now even Jim Gilchrist is saying he may have to look again at his support of the Gov., his tuition breaks to illegals, his constant pandering to us Christians-even though Duncan Hunter, Mitt, Paul, Fred, etc, are all Christians, his lack of knowledge of what the NIE is, his jokes about Holiday Inn and our foreign policy-right! Iran, Syria, NKorea are all our enemies and you talk about where you slept??!!, his bash on Pres Bush-MY CDR in Chief, and yes I did read the whole article twice, it is actually my job to do those things as I am currently serving in Iraq, it is all of these things that add up and they are mostly responses or statements made within this last year that worry us conservatives that just so happen to go to church as well! Gov Huckabee is NOT qualified and it will bear out in the end. I will be honest and say if he happens to get the nomination (heaven forbid) I will still vote for him over any democrat. I would hope you would do the same for Mitt if you are truly a conservative. We know what changes Obama and Hillary would do and none of them are good!!

Mark, Cornpone, and PB
Hugh has been right all along and I knew myself that the attacks were going to come and that Huck would rise and then conservatives across the country would see the total package of Gov. Huckabee and find that he comes up way short of fitting the bill for the most powerful position on earth! Mitt is THE strongest candidate. Cornpone thanks for throwing up the nice Gold Plates comment and yet most of you say that it is the Mormons that bring religion into this conversation??!! I've seen your comments all over and you are always making some snide remark about the religion. I do not care what religion a person belongs to or not as long as he believes in Christ or a higher power that gives us strength in time of need. If there values are similar to mine I could vote for an atheist as well. I have seen what Bible believing Presidents like Clinton and Carter have done to our gov't. Let's focus on the issues with our candidates. By the way there are a TON of people over here in Iraq that are voting for Mitt! I hope everyone can see that Mitt doesn't back down either which is admirable and will be needed against the Dems.
GO MITT!!!
GO NAVY!!!

@g2825m
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

Merry Christmas to you, and may God keep you safe
and bring you home safely.

Harry Barnett

Cornpone
Thank you sir!! Just doing what any other presidential candidates kids would do!! haha And I'm a Romney supporter! lol Actually that is a non-issue here with the military. We laugh about it at the chow hall when we watch the TV talking heads bring that up about Romney or ANY other candidates kids (R) or (D) not serving in the military...we could care less because we are all volunteers and it doesn't affect our vote if they don't serve in the military. So if we don't care as a military then it shouldn't matter to any of you back home.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL!!

Cornpone
Thank you sir!! Just doing what any other presidential candidates kids would do!! haha And I'm a Romney supporter! lol Actually that is a non-issue here with the military. We laugh about it at the chow hall when we watch the TV talking heads bring that up about Romney or ANY other candidates kids (R) or (D) not serving in the military...we could care less because we are all volunteers and it doesn't affect our vote if they don't serve in the military. So if we don't care as a military then it shouldn't matter to any of you back home.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL!!

What a bore
Does Hewitt actually think anyone takes his sycophant rantings seriously? His analysis of the race has been wrong from the start as the race is and will be wide open for quite some time, very possibly into the convention. Hugh's boy Mitt isn't going to win though.

I'm a fan of Fred
and Merry Christmas!

A Disaster for the Dems
Romney-Steele '08

Mitt not 1st choice, but...
he is better than Regularization (Sanctuary City) Rudy or aged Sen. Juan McQuisling who have not gotten why Middle America is righteously indignant about the ILLEGAL alien invasion and pervasion of America. corruption--reeking Rudy has the support of the chest-beating neoCONS and open border globalists, but middle america hgas been there and done that with Presidente Jorge at great expense and detriment to the best interests of Peoria.

Actually, Fred has many good, well-detailed plans, and good perspectives, as do Hunter (border security and workplace enforcement) and Ron Paul (ditto-- and limited govt. and profligate spending), but Fred is painted as lacking mojo, and we do not elect relatively Congressmen to be POTUS... maybe Hunter can be Mitt's running mate and be put in charge of sealing the border and beginning necessary attritive repatriation before we devolve into a third world welfare state barrio.

Religion needed in the Press
A Christian value:
"Thou shall not bear false witness....."

We need this Christian value in politics. We need it in the White House. We need it in the news. We need it on the Internet.....

Romney says he believes in Christian values, yet he distorts and deceives the people. So does Hugh Hewitt and many posters on this site.

You guys hope the people won't discover the truth. If Mitt wins it will be a result of a lot of money and a lot of lies about what Huckabee really believes and his real positions on the issues.

They are counting on the fact that Huckabee is just a regular guy without millions of dollars to defend himself. Dirty, dirty, dirty politics.

Folks, take the time to go to Huckabee's website. Take the time and you'll discover how deceptive these guys are.

"Let your Yes mean Yes, and your No mean No". A rare quality in a politician. Huckabee is the only candidate who actually lives by the values he says he believes in.

Huckabee too liberal
I like Huckabee,personally. But he is no conservative! Just look at his views on illegal immigration. We need stronger borders, not more of the same crap Bush is giving us. I like Thompson but he is laying too low(for now)Who knows how it will shake out. One thing we can't afford is any Democrat in the whitehouse!

The seeing stones
Told Hugh to write this article. Xenu cometh.

I'm Mitt Romney
And I approve this message. The check's in the mail Hugh;)

Deception, not religion, is the issue...
I don't think the issue, re: Mormons and Evangelicals, has to do with Romney's being a Mormon. I believe it has to do with what every knowledgeable Evangelical knows is the deceptive way in which Mormons seek to convert Christians to Mormonism. Had Romney not said in his speech, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God...", and simply left his speech about religious freedom in America, there would have been no Evangelical backlash. But when he spoke those words, he did what Mormons always do: he sought to deceive those uneducated about what Mormons really believe. He sought to deceive Christians into believing Mormons see Christ as they do, which is an outright lie. They do not. Huckabee's comment wasn't what nonChristians or Christians who don't understand Mormonism believe it was; it wasn't a direct attack on Mormonism. Rather it was an allusion to the deception Romney attempted.

Your support of Romney is certainly your right. But I think you do a discredit both to yourself and to Christian evangelicals if you think the distaste most Evangelicals have for him is due to his not being a Christian. It has to do with his not being honest about what Mormons truly believe about Christ and about both the origins and the end of human existence.

Had Romney said, honestly, "Here's what I believe about Jesus Christ; it isn't what you believe but it is what I believe and I ask only that you grant me the same religious freedom you ask for yourself", he'd still be a candidate I'd consider voting for. But when he practiced the same deception Mormons have been practicing for decades to steal away Christians, he lost me.

And when you fail to consider that we Christians are not the stereotype idiot anti-Christians or elitists like Guilliani like to portray us, you too, lose me.


Okay Hugh...
...let's take a look.
You say, "...these (Rudy & Mitt) are the two candidates who can beat Hillary or Obama."

However, every match-up poll I've seen shows both Rudy and Mitt going down in ignominious defeat to either of the Democrat candidates. What makes you think that is not so?

The fact is neither one of the media chosen "leaders" is a conservative. Where does that leave us? Tancredo is set to announce he is quiting the race. Hunter has pulled in an astounding $25,000 in three weeks. How much longer can he pretend he is even in this race?

When Hunter drops out where will their support go? I doubt it will go to Mitt or Rudy. That leaves Fred, Ron, or John. John is out, because of his anti-1st amendment, and pro-amnesty positions. Now where down to just Fred or Ron. Of the two who do you see as having momentum?

The money is on Mitt?
More gambling away America by the republican elites?

Disgusting.

It is all about money to the authortarian, globalist gang members in the republican party.

Anything for power, for money.

Reagan would have despised these people.

President Mitt? What's a Mitt Anyway?
It is perfectly clear to anyone familiar with the quackery of Mormon beliefs that raising serious questions about the mental health of anyone who subscribes to these beliefs is anything but bigotry. It is very accurate to call questioning these people prudence.

The length of the nomination process this time is a blessing, because it gives all those who question the veracity of Mitt ample time to check out Mormonism for themselves. Of course most of the pro Mitt pundits believe that most of the public is not intelligent enough to make an accurate assessment of the cult. This is not only not true, but highly insulting. Most sincerely interested people have the good sense to stay away from the hate sites and get their information from the church’s own websites and other official sources.

Isn't it odd that a few years ago the worst insult you could offer a Mormon was to equate his faith with main stream, Christianity. Now they want desperately to be seen as main stream.

Any similarity between Mormons and main stream Christians simply does not exist. Spend an little time researching this "faith". Anyone who claims this mess as his religion has absolutely no business in the most powerful position on earth. Anyone who claims this mess as his or her religion is either a fool or a charlatan.

We need more RINOs...
I'll let his fellow RINOs vote for Mitt. There are too many variables, flip-flops and unknowns with Mitt for me. I'll vote for Fred. Even if he doesn't win, at least I know that I voted for a Conservative. I would take Mitt as a second choice though.

Wow
Hugh is backing Mitt!? That is shocking and suprising considering he's basically been campaigning for him for the last year. I can't wait for another unexpected newsbreaking story, such as the discovery that water is wet.

Truth
I am confused. What quacky Mormon beliefs are you referring to? Is it the virgin birth or belief in resurrection? Technically all Christian beliefs are quacky and the better question is why do you believe in your version of Christianity.


HankRearden
Great point. It's almost impossible to listen to Hewitt and Hannity anymore because of their general lack of objectivity when it comes to the Republican race.

Hewitt and Romney are engaged at this point I think, while Hannity and Rudy are only dating exclusively. I like both Hugh and Sean, but I'm sick of them beating the you know what out of the other candidates with half truths and spin to make their guy look better. Quite frankly, FOX News isn't much better right now and I work for NewsCorp.

fairtax.org

Mitt Tied in National Poll
With Guliani so yeah Hugh's a nut for saying the trends are heading Mitt's way.Huck commmited political suicide by agreeing with the Dems on Bush's foreign policy. The in your face Christmas ad was also a bad idea. The overall republican party doesn't want to be tarred as bible thumpers in the general election.Most republican voters are against the nanny state and Huck represents that. Joe Scourpad continues to tonguebathe Huck along with all the liberal cohorts on MSNBC.

Guliani is still in the game as long as Hillary is viable. If Hillary looks like the nom going into Super tuesday there could be a huge shift to Giliani out of raw fear of her becoming president.

Right on, Hugh!!!!
Hugh, It amazes me to read the snide comments to your articles from the anti-Romney folks.

IMO, your analysis is right on. For my wife and me, Romney represents a chance in a lifetime for the Republican party to elect a truly outstanding individual (in all respects) as our president. IMO, the only real issue against Romney is his Mormon faith. If it wasn't for unfounded bigotry against Mormonism by some of the Republican base, and fear of Romney by the Democrats(and MSM)trying to bring him down by boosting other less qualified up, Romney would be a slam-dunk choice!!!!!

orlandocajun
I am also a Fred fan. He has the clearest stance on federalism and some excellent proposals on reducing government size (not replacing half of the retiring federal work force). I have some misgivings too. I am often torn between Mitt and Fred because I consider the country to be in a financial crisis with entitlements that I believe Romney will be able to resolve. The flips are not as big of concern to me because they fit into my own unresolved conflict of how much government should be involved in some of those decisions even if I morally disagree with the practice. While I am opposed to abortion except in a few cases like rape. I am just as concerned about a blanket ban. I think the pro-life movement has softened to allow for these important exceptions. Roe v. Wade has always been bad law.


BJ - Spin, Spin, Spun
How are Mormons deceptive? We preach our message and then say "Don't take our word at face value -- ask God if it is true." If your prayer is answered in the affirmative, then come join us. If not, thank you for your time . . .

The only deceivers are those who continually, constantly and cravenly continue to post half truths and worse about the Mormon faith about which they are self-appointed experts even though they despite it.

*****

Though Hugh is a Mitt cheerleader for sure, he has a good point. Don't bet against a man with a long history of successes. He has the brains, the energy and the vision to be the last one standing when all the votes are counted next November.

same ol' stuff with the GOP
I think Hewitt is correct that Romney stands the best chance of winning the GOP nomination.

I say this as one who originally leaned toward Romney, but his comments on supporting what Bush has done on Iraq have turned me away from him.

I fear Huckabee's Christian evangelical approach has a decidedly leftist social gospel and orientation, but I strongly agree with Huckabee's criticism that Bush is arrogant on foreign policy.

Romney has turned me off with his unbridled support of Bush, but, realistically, that will probably serve him well in terms of getting GOP nomination.

I will not vote for him unless he distances himself from Bush on foreign policy.

We need a change. A Romney who just "apes" Bush is no change.

How bout Alaska Gov Palin as Mitt's VP
If not Romney-Steele '08, then Romney-Palin '08.

I say it should, and I kind of think it will, be one of those two. Either way, these choices for Mitt are no brainers for a variety of reasons!

You are a FOOL if you think
Romney would be any different than Bush on immigration.

He supports illegals staying here.

LOL

SE Tex
I think what you're reading in those snide comments is Hugh's unmitigated support of Romney (I mean he wrote a book about him). I've not heard Hugh criticize ANY of Romney's weaknesses at any point, but he has no problem pointing out the details of the other candidates. It's laughably transparent.

I like Mitt Romney and it wouldn't be a horrible thing if he got the nomination. I think his mormonism has been treated extremely unfairly. Bottom line is, however, he's not perfect.

Don't tell Hugh that though.

Fools & Charlatans . . .
BUSINESS
Robert Allen, "Nothing Down"
Nolan Archibald, CEO, Black & Decker
Jerry Atkin, CEO, SkyWest
Michael Bertasso, Senior V.P., Heinz
Gary Gaughman, Pres. & CEO, Fisher-Price
Tony Burns, CEO, Ryder (trucks)
Francis Cash, CEO, LaQuinta Properties
Dave Checketts, CEO, Sports Capital Partners
David Colton, Senior V.P., Phelps Dodge
Gary Crittenden, CFO, American Express
Ron Dittemore, Director, Space Shuttle Program
Brett Keller, CMO, priceline.com
Richard King, Pres., Albertsons
Spencer Kirk, Co-Founder, Merahertz
J. Willard Marriott, Founder, Marriott Hotels
J.W. Marriott, Chairman, Marriott International
David Neeleman, CEO, JetBlue
Stewart Nelson, COO, Novell
Ray Noorda, CEO, Novell
James Quigley, CEO, Deloitte & Touche
Kevin Collins, former CEO, Dell
Howard Ruff
Brent Scowcroft

Huck's Iowa Polls
Took a bigger than expected drop - what happened?

I had always thought the Huck surge would come crashing down once people looked into his record, but I expected the drop would be more gradual.

Did some news story break out? What did I miss?

More fools & charlatans . . .
OLYMPIANS (abbreviated list)
Torah Bright
Michele Despain
Werner Hoeger
Steve Nyman
Shauna Rohbock
Rowena Bright
Dinah Browne
Gea Johnson
Joe Pack
Sabine Ruckhauer
Stephanie Wartosch
Tamani Tanaka
Megan Dirkmaat
Lucia Fernanda
Rachelle Smith-Kunkel
Tiffany Lott-Logan
Tairia Mimms Flowers
John Nunn
James Parker
Grant Robison
Mosiah Rodriguez
Carl Sanderson
Jody Tini
Justin Wilcock
Paora Winitana
Guard Young
Jack Yerman
Kresimir Cosic
Peter Vidmar
Jason Pyrah

RINO Bigotry!
Romney whines about being misrepresented about his religious beliefs and then proceeds to vehemently misrepresent Huckabee with regard to his statements about the administrations arrogance. Isn't Romney's spin arrogant as well??

I would vote for Huckabee's soft-hearted approach on those whom have been damned and destined to be executed, over a Morman hypocryte! Thanks Hugh for helping me make my decision to vote for Huckabee in the primary!!

Hmmmm, for some reason, I missed one . .
Kay Whitmore, Former CEO, Eastman-Kodak

MILITARY, ETC.
General Bruce Carlson, USAF
James Cawley, U.S. Marines
James Fletcher, NASA Administrator
Don Lind, Astronaut
General Robert Oaks, USAF
General John Lasater, USAF
Richard Searfoss, Space Shuttle Commander
Admiral Paul Yost, Commandant, U.S. Coastguard

MORE ATHLETES
WRESTLING
Rulon Gardner
Aaron Holker
Don Leo Jonathan
Ernie Moore
Jason Ray
Carl Sanderson
Mark Schultz
Jimmy Snuka
Dustin Tillman
BOXING
Ray Close
Jack Dempsey
B.J. Flores
Gene Fullmer
KARATE
Edmund Parker
BODY BUILDERS
Melanie Kosoff
Larry Scott
AUTO RACING
David Abbott Jenkins
BASEBALL
Spencer Adams
Danny Ainge
Alan Ashby
Brian Banks
Barry Bonnell
Ron Brand
John Buck
Roy Castleton
McKay Christensen

S.E. Tex
Romney is the only candidate who has strong business, financial, and government experience, as well as a strong and stable family. I haven't made a decision - but I do suspect he'd be a strong candidate downstream. The religious right and values voters may argue with Mormonism, but they cannot argue with his family. And the family says much about his values. You don't worry about him playing around on his wife or divorcing her. And, I doubt that anyone has such a fundamental grasp of how government affects business, nor what business needs in order to effectively compete. To be as successful as he was over so many years, in turn, indicates he has a very good mind and the capability to be a clear thinker.

We'll see, but the GOP could do worse. If one considers the top three to be Romney, Guiliani and Huckabee, then anyone can write down what they like - and don't like, about each. And probably have.

If you asked me to make a decision between Huckabee and Romeny, for example, and if the issue is who can run this country most effectively, I'd have to conclude that based on their records, that Romney appears stronger.

And - please - don't go off half cocked on this post.

I prefer a known fiscal conservative who will have the courage to go to war with Congress over spending as Reagan did, who will enforce our immigration laws and get control over our currently uncontrolled borders, who understands the over-riding issues concerning free vs. fair trade, and who will create and initiate a debate over the future of entitlements and what to do about them.


More fools & charlatans . . .
BASEBALL
Bobby Crosby
Dane Iorg
Garth Iorg
Ryan Jensen
Gary Johnson
Jason Johnson
Wally Joyner
Jeff Kent
Harmon Killebrew
Vance Law
Vernon Law
Matt Lindstrom
Brandon Lyon
Dale Murphy
Adam Peterson
Fred Sanford
Tommie Sisk
Cory Snyder
Garrett Stephenson
Dave Veres
Steve Taylor
Jaret Wright
Ron Wright
BASKETBALL
Danny Ainge
Thurl Bailey
Shawn Bradley
Chris Burgess
Tom Chambers
Travis Hansen
Vernon Hatton
Skouson Harker
Mel Hutchins
Casey Jacobsen
DIVING
Justin Wilcox
GOLF
Billy Casper
Keith Clearwater
Dan Forsman
Johnny Miller
Mike Reid
Bruce Summerhays
Annie Thurman

INVENTORS, ENGINEERS (NOT ALL MENTIONED)
Johnathan Browning, gunsmith
John Moses Browning, gunsmith
William Clayton, odometer
Almon Clegg, digital radio, recording
Don Carlos Edwards, Arctic Circle
Philo Farnsworth, television
Robert Ingebretsen, compact disks
Lester Wire, traffic lights

ACTORS, ETC.
Don Bluth, director/producer - All Dogs Go to Heaven, Pete's Dragon, The Land Before Time, Thumbelina, Anastasia, Titan A.E.

Wilford Brimley - actor in The Natural, Cocoon

Then enlighten us...
THRadio:

Okay - if Mormons are honest about their beliefs and not afraid to be open and upfront, then seize this opportunity to demonstrate it. Right here, right now. If those of us who believe what Mormons believe is not what Christians believe, then again, seize this opportunity to show us wrong. Romney said: "I believe Jesus Christ is the son of God..." Do Mormons beleive He is the Only Begotten Son of God? Do you believe in the Trinity? Do you believe that Satan was a fallen angel, a species apart from both God and Man? Do you believe Jesus was born of the human creature Mary and the Holy Spirit? Please share with us not deceptive statements meant to make us believe we believe the same essential things, but rather share with us what you don't believe that you know full well we do. And share with us what you do believe, that you know full well we don't.

Do you believe that Jesus was the Word of God? And that God's Revelation ended with Him?

I ask only honesty of you. An honesty rooted both in respect for your own beliefs as well as respect for mine.


AMERICA IN NOT A BUSINESS
and I am SICK of asinine fools who imply it is.
They think America can be bought or sold.

It is businessmen like Bush who treat America as so much merchandize to be bought and sold to the highest bidder. Anything for trade. Anything for money.

Blatant Greed!

Foreigners are buying and selling off our infrastructure, our soil, our citizenship, and our sovereignty. All for corporate greed!

I've come to the conclusion that BUSINESSMEN make the worst presidents because America is just a numbers game to them.

Combine a savvy businessman, an Ivy League Grad, a governor (and give him the presidency) and you have created a clear and present danger to American and Americans.

People often tell us that we are not voting for a theologian and we shouldn't look at Mitt's religious values.

Well we are not electing a CEO or Business Owner. We are electing a commander in chief, a thing Romney has NO expericence whatsoever with in his life.

HE REJECTED THE MILITARY option when he could have chosen it, and so have the majority of his sons.


AMERICA IN NOT A BUSINESS
and I am SICK of asinine fools who imply it is.
They think America can be bought or sold.

It is businessmen like Bush who treat America as so much merchandize to be bought and sold to the highest bidder. Anything for trade. Anything for money.

Blatant Greed!

Foreigners are buying and selling off our infrastructure, our soil, our citizenship, and our sovereignty. All for corporate greed!

I've come to the conclusion that BUSINESSMEN make the worst presidents because America is just a numbers game to them.

Combine a savvy businessman, an Ivy League Grad, a governor (and give him the presidency) and you have created a clear and present danger to American and Americans.

People often tell us that we are not voting for a theologian and we shouldn't look at Mitt's religious values.

Well we are not electing a CEO or Business Owner. We are electing a commander in chief, a thing Romney has NO expericence whatsoever with in his life.

HE REJECTED THE MILITARY option when he could have chosen it, and so have the majority of his sons.


Humble
apologies for double post.

Mike Huckabee
Mike Huckabee - President
J.C. Watts - Vice President

More fools & charlatans . . .
MORE ACTORS, ETC.
Keene Curtis - Daddy Warbucks

Mitch Davis - director The Other Side of Heaven

Laraine Day - Dr. Kildaire series

Kevin Foxe - producer of Blair Witch

John Gilbert - silent films

Ryan Gosling - Remember the Titans, Young Hercules

John Heder - Napoleon Dynamite

Dean Jagger - 12 O'Clock High, Mr. Novak

Glen Larsen - producer 6 Million Dollar Man, Battlestar Galactica, The Bear, Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, Magnum, The Fall Guy, Knight Rider

Jerry Molen - producer Ordinary People, Color Purple, Schindler's List

Kelly Packard - The Wonder Years, Boy Meets Girl, Step By Step, Living Dolls

Kevin Rahm - Jesse, Judging Army, Star Trek Deep Space

Aaron Ruell - Napoleon Dynamite

Ken Sansom - rabbit in Winnie the Pooh

Ellen Wheeler - All My Children, Another World, Guiding Light

RODEO/HORSERACING
Nathan Baldwin
Earl Bascom
Bucky Bradford
Guy Cash
Lewis Field
Hutch Haslem
Raymond Knight
Chris Lybbert
Dale Smith
Les Hulet
Johnny Longden
George Woolf

GOVERNMENT
Terrel Bell, Secretary of Education
Ezra T. Benson, Secretary of Agriculture
Angela Buchanan, U.S. Treasurer
William Ide, President of the California Republic (1796-1852)
David M. Kennedy, Secretary of the Treasury
Mike Leavitt, Secretary of Health & Human Services
Ivy Baker Priest, Secretary of the Treasury
Stewart Udall, Secretary of the Interior

Many senators & representatives, including our own Harry Reid!

Zapp This
Re the Zapper Lists: I guess the point is that all these poor souls were or are Mormons. Without researching the complete lives all these people, I'm left with the reality that most, if they were true believing Mormons, were fools. More than likely there was a percentage of charlatans too. I'll leave it to Zappy to figure that out.

Of course one could be a fool in religious matters and still be a lovely human being. That's not the point. The point is to study Mormonism then ask yourself if anyone could believe this rot who was not, a. a fool or b. claiming to believe in order to get ahead in some endeavor like the job, status in some group, etc. Those would be the charlatans.

The point is also that, given enough time and having no other interest in life, one could build a massive list of souls who had the good sense to get as far away from the the LDS church as possible.


Running Mate
A few commentors are speculating on Mitt's running mate. The Steel pick makes more sense to me than Palin given that Steel may put NJ in play brining a big Blue state into the win column. Palin doesn't have that potential.

Yes, she balances the gender issue vs. Hillary. But its not clear how this affects the electoral college.

My guess is a pick from a softer easily won Blue state. Mitt pushes some momentum in Michigan maybe a pick there is the coup-de-grace that swings Michigan Red? There are 19 Blue States to play with: WA(11), OR(7), CA(55), MN(10), WI(10), IL(21), MI(17), ME(4), NH(4), VT(3), MA(12), RI(4), CT(7), NY(31), NJ(15), PA(21), DE(3), MD(10), DC(3). Of these, the softest are: WI, NH, PA, MI, MN.

Romney bias
Hugh, you such a whore. I can't believe the outright bias that you spew daily for this candidate. It calls into question all other opinions you espouse on your show-- and I don't even dislike Romney.

As any number of others have pointed out in previous postings, you are losing your audience. I for one have switched you off, at least until after the 2008 elections.

You had great potential Hugh, but that monstrous ego of yours just can't get out of the way.

More fools & charlatans . . .
MUSICIANS, ETC.
Gary Allan

Han Solo

Jason Celaya - Fiddler on the Roof, Annie Get Your Gun, Joseph & the Technicolor Dreamcoat

Diamond Rio

Eric Dodge

The Jets

The Killers

King Sisters

Gladys Knight

Low

Reunion

Chance Thomas - Lord of the Rings

MEDIA, ETC.
Jack Anderson
Ken Jennings, Jeopardy
Grant Wilson, Ghost Hunters

I guess we forgot FOOTBALL . . .
John Beck
Robbie Bosco
Scott Brumfield
Jason Buck
Ben Cahoon
Kirk Chambers
Greg Clark
Todd Christensen
Kevin Curtis
Ty Detmer
Brandon Doman
Chris Hoke
Junior Ione
Lee Johnson
Scott Jackson
Doug Jolley
Rulon Jones
Glen Kozlowski
Chad Lewis
Reno Mahe
Brandon Manumaleuna
Trevor Matich
Itula Mili
Christopher James Miller
Scott Mitchell
Rob Morris
Edwin Mulitalo
Gifford Nielsen
Bart Oates
Merlin Olsen
Burgess Owens
Anton Palepoi
Brady Poppinga
Sione Pouha
Andy Reid
Sean Salisbury
Vai Sikahema
Luke Staley
Andy Stokes
John Tait
Glen Titensor
Phil Tuckett, also founder of NFL Films
Joe Tuipala
Kyle Turley
Danny White
Kyle Whittingham
Marc Wilson
Steve Young

Many I skipped . . .

I guess some of you may be changing idols now . . .

"Truth" thats a pretty bold title.
Now how 'bout you walk the talk! Your posts here are more of the same bunk we've grown accustomed to here from the Mormon haters and are producing more heat than light. If you are trying to win convertes, I suggest you try a new strategy. I would not enter a place of worship with you present as you simply drive the Spirit of the Lord away. I feel cold and empty when I read your posts. When I worship I want to feel warmth and love. You, my friend, may want to take a look in the mirror, seriously.

Romney's press secretary...
Hugh, I know that you really want that job. Keeping shilling for Romney and I'm sure that it will be offered to you.

Truth . . .
Be sure not to buy anymore CDs, watch t.v., check out the actors, directors & producers of movies before you go. You just might run into a Mormon on the list! Pretty scary! Too bad I'm limited on time, or I'd send your last message to as many of these folks as possible. I'm sure they'd get your message. Be sure to check all the paper money in your wallet too. You just might be carrying a Mormon's signature around! Panic! Spread your attitude toward these folks around your neighborhood. People will soon get the right idea about who is the "fool" and "charlatan". What else do you have to think about everyday? What if Romney IS elected? What will you do? Move to Iraq to get away from the guy?

Huck isn't an economic conservative?
Huckabee isn't an "economic conservative?" Hugh get real. The guy proposed abolising the federal income tax and IRS.

Romney opposed the Bush tax cuts and rasised taxes $500 million as governor. (He called them fees.)

Lay off the dam Kool Aid Hugh. It's getting embarassing. Have you no dignity? My God Hugh, everybody can see you have been bought off.

How much does it profit a man to gain the entire world but lose his soul Hugh?

I Had a Dream!
Did Mitt watch his father march with Martin Luther King?


A yes or no answer will suffice.

what a crock
I don't have room here to tear this article apart. Huckabee didn't attack his mormonism. And Romney's faith speech was a failure. Romney and Guiliani are liberals. All I can figure is Hugh is a mormon and wants Romney to win for that reason alone. I won't vote for Romney no matter what. Oh yeah, and that makes me a bigot, huh Hugh?

The Bottom Line On Romney
The bottom line is that Mitt Romney is the most liberal candidate in the race from either party. He accomplished what neither Hillary nor any other Democrat has been able to. Mitt gave Massachusetts a government run healthcare plan that included abortion as a “healthcare benefit.” (unprecedented) And Mitt gave Massachusetts “gay marriage” to fulfill a campaign promise in 2002 to the homosexual Log Cabin Republicans. That is the real story that the media including about 99% of the so-called "conservative media" (Hewitt, Bennett, Hannity, Sekulow, etc…) have conveniently ignored and suppressed. The real story that the media has buried is that Romney violated his sworn oath to protect and defend the oldest functioning constitution in the world (authored by John Adams) and knowingly violated it for his own political gain. And the real question that Romney and the media talkers who daily shill for him should have to answer is: Why should Americans trust that Romney would protect and defend the US Constitution when he flagrantly violated his own as governor?

To see specifically how Romney shredded the Massachusetts Constitution by instituting “gay marriage” read this “Joint Letter to Governor Mitt Romney from Pro-Family Leaders.” It is devastating. http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/dec_let ter/letter.pdf
Again, if you are not part of exposing this information, you are part of the cover up.

Hugh, why do you keep these things from your listeners? Answer, b/c you are a shill for Romney and everybody knows it Hugh.

Truth is not hateful
To "Truth" -

You do yourself nor others any favors by titling yourself something you clearly have a rather relativist approach to. Truth with a capital T is not relative, nor is it subjective, the two primary traits your posts exhibit.

Our Mormon brothers and sisters may believe in things we do not believe in, but they - as children of the one True God - have as much right to religious freedom as you and I and everyone else. To call another man's religious beliefs "rot" is to reveal little more than the "rot" that passes for your own beliefs, for what is such disregard and insensitivity for others than "rot"?

When God created us, He chose to give us a Free Will. And He chose to respect that Free Will. And He asked that we do so as well. The consequences of that lay a great responsibility upon us. Upon each of us and all of us. And that responsibility requires, at its core, that we treat each other with the respect and dignity any and every creation of God deserves.

The profundity, the depths, the complexities of both the human soul and human existence are such that any one of us could find ourselves walking down a mistaken path, but for the grace of God. We show our gratitude when we show our compassion.

The Mormon faith may appear, and does appear, rather bizarre to we who are Christians. But I suspect no more so than the Christian faith appeared to me back when I was an atheist.

We grow we seek to understand.

And we help others grow when we share what we believe with them in ways that are honest, open and respectful.

My complaint with Mr. Romney isn't that he's a Mormon. It is that he included in his speech a sentence that has been and continues to be used to deceive, not enlighten. Not share. And certainly not respect - either his own beliefs, or those of us who do not share them.


Truth . . .
Oh, be sure to buy Fuji film from now on too. None of that Kodak stuff! A friend of mine is Bryant Rossiter, Director of Research, Eastman-Kodak.

And did you know . . . that American Express (largest travel industry company in the world) moved one of its main divisions to Provo, Utah? Why? I've noticed that most universities in the U.S. have all but eliminated their foreign language departments. BYU has built a huge department where something like 70 languages are taught. It draws international companies by the droves! Mormons are getting a "hog's share" of all the international employment. Mormons fill ranks of top U.S. government jobs. Federal government recruit like crazy at BYU. When L.D.S. execs go abroad, they set the stage for the missionaries! Check out the WSJ, and which business programs are the best around the nation. BYU is #1 this year. Incredibly exciting! It's sort of like happened where we've lived in the Bible Belt for 21 years. For our 1st several years, the local Council of Churches (mostly Southern Baptist) forbade us from joining. Then one day, our major hospital system hired a Mormon as its CEO, one of the top 6 jobs in a city of 300,000. Almost instantly, we were VERY politely invited to join the Council of Churches through which the L.D.S. Church can now have major influence on the community.

The event you've got to watch for is when one of your children becomes a Mormon. I know, "No way!" But, it does happen, time & time again. Be sure to pump them full of propaganda now, to help prevent this from happening. Make them even more curious. Our ward has split 3 times, and our stake has split once since our arrival. Continued growth. No paid ministry either. Through compassionate service, the folks who need it the most get it all.

Hugh Why do you Ignore this?
Hugh, you are quick to be critical of Huck and the others but why do you ignore Romney's record? that is dishonest Hugh. But what do you care. You are bought and paid for.

1. Romney claims to be "pro-life" but established abortion as a "healthcare benefit" in his own government run healthcare plan (after his purported "pro-life conversion.") Proof Source http://www.mass.gov/Qhic/docs/cc_benefits1220_pt234.pdf Of note, Romney also placed a Planned Parenthood representative on the health care board but no pro-life representatives.

2. Romney claims to oppose "gay marriage" and "did everything he could to oppose it as governor." Yet, his record shows that he was advised to ignore the Goodridge opinion by various constitutional lawyers (including Hugh Hewitt- proof source http://massresistance.blogspot.com/2007/12/hugh-hewitt-tol d-romney-to-defy-mass.html) and chose not to even though the court had no constitutional jurisdictional authority to even hear the case in the first place. When the legislature never amended or suspended the current marriage statute (Ch. 207) to accommodate "gay marriage" that should have been the end of it. But Romney had privately promised the Log Cabin GOPs not to oppose gay marriage if elected governor in 2002( proof source http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/08/us/politics/08romney.htm l?_r=3&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin ) and so he chose to ignore the constitution he swore to uphold to fulfill the campaign promise to the Log Cabin GOPs and ordered his own Dept of Health to illegally change the marriage certificates from "husband" and "wife" to "partner A" and "partner B" and ordered Justices of the Peace and Town Clerks to perform same sex marriage ceremonies or resign even though it was against the law to do so.


Can you just imagine President Romney?
He'll get new legislation passed, with the help of Harry Reid, to create a national Mormon Missionary Program, supported by tax dollars. He'll have missionaries coming to every door! Now that's EXCITING! He'll put a stop to the publishing of all anti-Mormon literature. He'll ban talking negatively about Mormons, worldwide. He'll levy a special tax on all non-Mormons! Their gas prices at the pump will double because they won't carry temple recommends to insert in the card readers. The WAVE OF THE FUTURE! Look out guys! Here they come!

Mormons are fraud, just like Mitt
They are disengenuous when they say that they are Christian, just as Mitt is lying when we claims to be pro-life. He may be more conservative than some, but I can't trust him to be any better than Harry Reid.

These guys are taught from birth to obfuscate the differences between Christianity and LDS.

They are no more Christian than I am Mormon.

BJ - so to please you
Romney must characterize his belief in Christ in your terms and not his own, because YOU know better than he what his beliefs are; what his intentions are; in truth what his heart is. What arrogance!

You have been told for so long that Mormons lie about their beliefs that you seem not able to consider that they both know and truthfully say what they believe. No Mormon I know wants to be "one of you" as a traditional normal Christian. But they, and others, will completely and forever reject the idea that Evangelicals are the ones that get to decide what the term "Christian" means and who gets to use it.

For most of the world the term means one who believes in and wants to follow Christ. You can keep your exclusive "but they don't believe it in just the way I do" garbage attitude - and we'll still not try and deny you the term Christian, because we know you fit the broad definition of the term.

GOP USUALLY NOMINATES MOST CONSERVATIVE?

.....If that is true then how can either Rudy or Mitt be considered? ...both are Liberal RINOs ...

.....Rudy admits he is pro-choice while Romney pushed through a Health Plan in Mass that funds abortions ...neither of these two men are true conservatives ...

.....The most Conservative candidate in the race that has a chance to win in November is Fred Thompson ...reports of Fred's demise are premature ...

.....He might not be a wild eyed energizer bunny but he is considerate and deliberate ...the way a President should be ...

.....It is the media that has tried to sabotage Fred's campaign by not giving him coverage and then saying he is too "Laid back" or that he doesn't have the "fire in his belly" ...the truth is that they don't want him to win ...

.....If Republicans are serious about putting a Conservative in the White House and not letting the media pick the nominee ...then support and vote for Fred Thompson .....COLOSSUS

One important flaw in reasoning
"various premature obituaries penned on the Giuliani plan all overlook the fundamental fact that more than 50% of the GOP is pledged to either of these two men."

Last year, John Hinderaker admonished me at Powerline with an "earth to Phil, conservatives don't get to pick the GOP candidate". However, with the GOP now accounting for 25-26% of all registered voters while 30-33% of all registered voters describing themselves as "conservative", I would say that citing GOP-only statistics doesn't necessarily sell this argument. I would say that it is more important to make us conservatives happy than the bobble-head GOP voters. We outnumber them by far.

Truth/Zapper: two sides of same coin
Zapper:

To mock the fears/beliefs of others isn't much different than "Truth's" mocking your beliefs. Indeed, you seem to share a common disregard and disrespect for those who don't think as you do.

I think your list of Mormons is very impressive, at least from an earthly perspective. Faithful Christians, however, don't take the ability to achieve earthly success as some kind of proof of not being a "fool." Jesus Christ, the One True God, one in Being with the Father, achieved little earthly success in His time on earth. Never ran a company. Never attained wealth. Never earned celebrity status, at least not the kind the celebrities you cite. Yet, despite such lack of success, we who are Christians do not believe He was a "fool".

And yet - at the same time - He certainly was what many did, and would today, call a "fool".

There are really two different approaches one could've taken to the charge of "fools and charalatans" leveled at Mormons by "Truth".

The real Truth is, His Ways are not our ways.

Nor is His definition of Truth and Success the one you and "Truth" seem to share.

Again: the question for many of us isn't Mr. Romney's Mormon beliefs. It is the way he used in his speech on religious freedom a common Mormon tactic intended to deceive Christians into believing we share a common view of Who and What Jesus was and is. Knowledgeable and honest Christians and Mormons alike know it is not true.

Had he not included that age-old tactic to deceive, I would have thought his speech both excellent and timely. But having included it, he left me wondering what else he is saying that is intended to deceive me into believing he and I share beliefs we do not in truth share.

Hugh, The Base Likes Mike Huckabee
I am getting so tired of the Rightstream media trying to force Mitt Romney down our throat. Have you ever heard of the base or the Heartland. Mike Huckabee is turning this section of the Republican Party on and his numbers are growing daily. Hillary has her Mainstream Media Sockpuppets; now it seems the rightstream media is trying the same tactics, but this time we need to call you the "Mittpuppets". Mike Huckabee is the man for us an I for one like his ideas and I am going to vote for him!!!!

Why Romney.??.

Is he any ones ideal candidate, no. Can he beat the she wolf in November, probably. Can any repub candidate beat the she wolf in the general.??. Maybe.

Do we care, I think so. Do you care, yes you should. Is Romney the best for the general, probably. Is he my candidate, no. Could my candidate win the general, no, not even the primaries.

If we are going to have a candidate of consensus, does it have to be Romney, no. Who would it be. ??. You tell me.

Giuliani, yuck. Thompson.??. He can't win the primaries. Huckster, I mean Huckabee.??. You gotta be kidding. He couldn't top 35% in the general and you would hate him afterwards worse than Jorge Bush if he could win.

So Romney's a Mormon, is he.??. I'll not convert. I am not going to be a Muslim either, nor a Jehovah's witness, nor a speaker in tongues nor a holy roller nor a Rosicrucian nor a Pentecostal, nor Jewish, nor a, nor a.

You get the picture, 75% of this United States citizens could not run for office because they're Agnostic or they're something we don't want at our house. Gee, one out of every six of us wasn't even born a citizen, they're naturalized or simple residents. That doesn't count the illegals. Besides some are the wrong color or of the wrong national origin or their politics is screwy.

I don't know about you, But I am not going to vote for myself as I don't want the job. Do you.??. Hey the pays good, but the hours are lousy, and you are dogged 24/7 by reporters who want to know why your dog didn't make it through the weekend.

I say give the damn job to any Repub with the balls to want it and win the primaries.


Go, Mitt
Excellent column, Hugh. Romney is by far the best bet for conservatives. Huckabee and Rudy are both RINOs. Mitt has shown he can run a business, is tough on border issues and helped turn around a bad situation in the Olympics. He has strong values, strong business sense and is decisive. Go, Mitt.

Free Ramos and Compean
Stop Huckabee, not smoking

Electing another GOP or DEM elite,
will be a disaster for our nation. The two parties are out of control and seek power only, not the best interests of this nation. Any more of these corrupt politicians elected President is only going to give us more big government, less personal freedom, and a future for our kids that will be impossible to sustain.

It is time to reject the DEM/GOP/MSM propaganda that tells us only "they" have the necessary wisdom, knowledge, and experience to govern! Why believe that, because they say so? The truth is we have been duped into accepting this lie as the truth, and the elites have cleverly divided us with a liberal/conservative ideological battle that ignores the Constitution and leaves us with the idea we have no other choice, nowhere else to go.

The way to reverse this trend is to reassert our authority as the rightful owners of this nation and deny the elites the Presidency. Doing that will definitely get their attention.

If you are concerned about how much power the two parties have accumulated and how we can best restore sanity to our government in Washington, I urge you to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG. It is the one place you will find some common sense about how to deal with the challenges ahead and restore the basic principles of the Constitution.

Check out the site, why not? The elites have stolen our inheritance, hijacked the future, and engage in pure partisanship in order to keep power. How much longer are we going to put up with this? When are we ever going to say enough is enough? When are we going to reclaim what is ours? This great nation is not their personal kingdom to do as they please! Thanks, Joe

Hugh is a commentator
What is wrong if he has an opinion on who he thinks is his best candidate?????

He is not one of those news readers professing to delivering objective "news".

I have been for Romney all along. Am I a shill or any of the other names hurled at Hugh?

Romney Only Real, Viable Conservative!
As National Review said, Romney is the only candidate who can get ALL types of conservatives to support him...fiscal, social, and defense. Huckabee is a disaster on illegal immigration, foreign policy, and fiscal conservatism. I hope Iowa wakes up before it's too late!

Losing Respect for Hugh
While I am undecided about which candidate I'll vote for in the primaries, my respect for Hugh Hewitt has dropped exponentially. I first saw Hewitt on a Los Angeles PBS station on a local show called Life and Times. It was a show focusing on local and national politics. Later the show morphed into a magazine show. Hugh moved on, and I still listened to him on the radio because I respected his objective analysis. His Romeny infatuation has been a surprise. Even though this column seems a bit more even focusing on Romney and Guiliani, I have become so skeptical that I take what Hewitt says with a grain of salt. I wonder if Hewitt realizes the damage he has done to his own credibility.

Another flaw
"The country knows Rudy. They know his past, the good and the bad. And it will not be an issue in the fall if the GOP puts him atop the ticket."

It will be a HUGE issue. If it turns out being Rudy vs Hillary, get used to "pot vs kettle" attacks.

Rudy and Hillary are two sides of the same coin. That is why 2008 may be a rock'em sock'em campaign for the ages.

I agree with Hugh's logic on how Mitt and I believe he is going to win. But it is annoying to keep hearing Hugh claim that Mitt and Rudy are interchangeable as nominees and will support either one. Many of us would sooner vote for Hillary than Rudy. Don't tempt us.

Ok, Hugh likes Romney
And it may be blinding him, but I still like Romney best of the top tier.

My favorite candidate was Duncan Hunter. I will still vote for him in the primary, if he is still in the race by the time I vote. But if he isn't, I vote for Romney.

I want a pro-family, pro-life candidate who also has a record of achievement, and Romney is very competent. He also has no scandals in his personal life.

Re. Huckabee - I cannot believe we are once again considering a former Arkansas Governor. Yech. Maybe my reaction is visceral and atavistic, but there ya go.

Re. McCain - I admire the guy greatly, and if he is the GOP nominee, I'll still vote for him, but he is weak on immigration and then of course there was McCain/Feingold.

Re. Rudy, again, if he's the GOP nominee, I'll vote for him, but he is pro-choice and has a scandalous past.

Re. Ron Paul - well, I do respect him as a man of integrity, and I agree with him that we need to cut the size of government. But... I disagree with him on the war on terror.

anyway, I do like Romney and his Mormonism just doesn't matter that much to me. We are trying to elect a President not a pastor.

Where is the truth about Romney?
Huckabee/Giuliani is my dream GOP ticket.

Romney isn't a conservative. He isn't even a good Republican.

In Dec,2005 the conservative weekly Human Events ranked the Top 10 RINOS. Romney was #8. In their words "[Romney] has said, “I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country.” Supports civil unions and stringent gun laws."

On judges, "Romney jurist picks not tilted to GOP; Independents, Democrats get call" - Boston Globe 7/25/2005. "Governor Mitt Romney, who touts his conservative credentials to out-of-state Republicans, has passed over GOP lawyers for three-quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he has faced, instead tapping registered Democrats or independents -- including two gay lawyers who have supported expanded same-sex rights, a Globe review of the nominations has found."

James Rappaport, former head of the Massachusetts Republican Party held a press conference recently to announce his endorsement of Rudy Giuliani. Rappaport, who served when Romney was governor, said Romney “has a strong record of showmanship as opposed to actual performance.” On his relationship with the State Legislature, “His word is no good … Mitt Romney would say one thing in a meeting and literally go out of the meeting to the press and tell the opposite story. There was no desire in the legislature to be accommodating to him because they couldn’t trust him…. Romney will be clear today on what he believes today, and he’ll be clear tomorrow on what he believes tomorrow, but they may be different things.”

During Romney's 4 years the "GOP ranks dropped by 31,000 since state elected Romney" Boston Globe 11/2/2006 In the 2006 elections, most offices were not even challenged by Republican candidates. "For Republicans in Mass., a feeling of out and down" - Boston Globe, 11/8/2006

Romney has a nice family and says alot of nice things but he is a terrible choice for the Republican Party for President.

I liked the dodge...
...when Hugh started off talking about how candidates who "Aren't Mitt" can't win because they're just not conservative enough.

Then he gets to Fred.... and falls back to the 'energy' thing.

(you know what? I don't WANT a high-power, super-slick, say-anything politician to be the President.)

Hugh's all about talking about the different candidate's stances on conservative issues - until someone has the gall to mention Fred on the show, then it's fingers-in-the-ears and "la-la-la-la-la-la".

Hugh, you can stop now - everyone who's going to buy your Romney-book ALREADY HAS.

LOCO,
You're a Romney supporter, but you haven't presented yourself to a national audience as a fair-minded expert on political analysis prior to the curent election cycle, only to then use your self-acclaimed status to write & sell your book, likely written against the hope of a cabinet position if 'your guy' wins.

- MuscleDaddy

Atheists can be Christians too?
For robm:

Re: the notion that anyone can call himself a Christian if he believes himself a follower of Christ...

When I was a Marxist atheist, we used to argue that Jesus wasn't "God" but rather merely a man, a good man, the world's first true revolutionary. He fought for the poor, the sinner, the sick, the downtrodden. He attacked the wealthy and the powerful. The "owners of the means of production."

Does that mean Marxist atheists today should be able to claim the name "Christian" as their own? Because they want to claim the "revolutionary" Christ as their own? The first Marxist?

Or should their be some criteria? Such as historical precedent? Or common usage? Or a requirement to believe not in parts of what He said, but rather in the totality of what He said? And what He did?


Jeff
Are you losing respect for Hugh because he doesn't endorse a candidate of your choice? He is a commentator,for god's sake, and has freely written and voiced his opinion.

Mitt and the pledges
Note to Hewitt, TH pundits, TH posters and the voters of Iowa, NH, and SC.

Michelle Malkin's column earlier this week sunk (on the basis of pledge 2 below) Huck, Julieannie, and The ManCanian (or is it MacChurian?) Candidate. Admittedly, MaCaniac was already out do to being too old and tired looking. MacVClinton=DoleVClinton with exactly the same results. Equally admittedly, Thompson and Julieannie are too old and tired looking too, but JA at least has the NYChutzpah to pull it off, and Thompson the voice and presence to come across Bulldog Churchillian and Reaganesque rather than baffled. In any case, Malkin quoting their own words on Border Security damned the three irrevocably in my book. Anyone who uses the term "nativist" to malign somebody who prefers his own American Culture to a Corrupt Mexican one is a Reconquista Symp Bigot. To hell with them.

Which brings me to reminding all and sundry that my vote will go to the first person who signs my 5 pledges below.

There is one exception to that, Mitt Romeny.
See below.

the big mick


mitt and the big mick pledges part2
By the way, it's "due to".
On Mitt, yesterday Bob Burney's column sunk him by reminding me of what I already KNEW that Mormons ARE NOT Orthodox Christians. I make no judgements as to the genuineness of their faith in Christ. "Before their own master they stand or fall." But the reminder of the hinkyness of some of their beliefs, their extra Canonic scriptures, and the attitude of those posting to criticize Burney reminded me how damn secretive and un-forthcoming ABOUT ALL their beliefs and teachings the Mormons ARE! Like the damn Muslims and Masons in that respect. Burney asked only for open disclosure and got trashed. "Yeah, we know it ain't orthodox, and we know it sounds hinky, but it's what we believe", I could respect. Creative editing and packaging and selective disclosure, or "I'm not going to talk about it, it's not American to make me, let's move on." I cannot. Had enough of that from Hitlery.
I am now sure I cannot trust Mitt. So take your smart money and shove it HH. Mitt's nomination means Hitlerybama gets my vote! As to the reasoning, see below.

the big mick

Let me tell you more crazy beliefs of th
Hey, these are wild, and well documented in LDS 'scripture'.
The world was creatated in 6 days. HUH?
2. A big flood came, and some guy named Noah built a big boat and put all the animals in it. 3. Some guys wife turned to a pillar of salt? Get real.
4. A 'Angel' came and talked to this young girl and said she would have a baby without intercourse? Now I was not born yesterday...
5. oh and this baby - He'd one day die and come back to life.
That's just the tip of the iceberg on the carzy mormon beliefes.

mitt and the pledges part last
For those who haven't seen em, the Big Mick Pledges are:

1. WIN the war for survival against the Sandnazis on all fronts. (Ron Paul the Flatulent Earth Isolationist Pseudolibertine-ian flunks this one big time!--He's OUT!)
2. DEFEND our southern border against the Reconquista Invasion.
3. RESTORE Constitutionalism by appointing ONLY from a Consensus List of the Top Ten Most Strict Constructionist Judges.
4. REDUCE the size of the FedGov 3 in real actual terms not mere slowed growth 3% each year of their admin.
5. SECURE my Sacred Franchise by an Iron Clad Fraud Proof voter Registration, ID and Polling system.

I consider these 5 things the greatest Threats to my Liberty and NONE are negotiable or marginal. All or nothing, no equivocations, in public and in writing or I vote for Hillybama.

I would do this in the confident expectation Hitlery will shove us the last inches into Socialism and in the HOPE THAT will finally ignite the long needed American Revolution Part 3. This slow death by RINO, CINO, compromise with Socialism is no longer acceptable to me.

All or nothing and bring on the Revolution NOW.

the big mick

Mitt as President
If Romney becomes our next president, we might as
well elect Bush for another term. They are two
peas in a pod.

Thompson/Hunter 08
I will not under any circumstances vote for Huckabee. I won't vote Mccain, or Rudy.

Huckabee is a fake, a phony, a liar.
go to arkjournal.com.
The others are Rinos. Thompson and Hunter are conservatives, with much the same message.

BJ - Doctrinaire
I don't want to debate theological doctrine on this site. Heck, I don't want to debate theology anywhere as religious debate is too often counter-productive. As I stated before, Mormons offer their doctrine to any and all who will listen (see http://www.lds.org). But whether you accept or reject the doctrine is a matter of personal choice, based on honest study and humble prayer.

I must, however, add to robm's point. Your position that Mormons do not believe in your understanding of Christ is akin to stating that "apple pie is not apple pie if there is no cheese in the recipe." Says who?

I do not accept the traditional, Nicene/Athanasian creed definition of the Godhead. I can hardly understand it. But I nevertheless believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. Your protests to the contrary cannot change this fact.

Mark - Keeping Huckafizzle Dream Alive
At least in YOUR mind. Search for hope in those numbers from "born agains" which in my guess are about 10% of voters in the land. Thanks to you and yours most voters with the exception of your so called "born agains" wouldn't touch the Huck with a ten foot pole. It's really too bad. I think he is probably a nice guy. He just wasn't to be president, and the "evangilicals" need to be more like the Christ they should be emulating, not a bunch of narrow minded nin-compoops.

And Corn-Pon, you get my vote for the most annoying blogger in townhall land, but there are a few others who come close.

a slow motion train wreck
watching hugh hewitt implode as a pundit is so sickly fascinating i can't turn away.

he obvioulsly wants to be mitts "karl rove" but he is cursed. every prediction he makes turns out to be the opposite.

i have no dog in this race but it has become mutiny on the bounty.

hughs girlie man voice getting higher and higher as he keeps repeating " its a two man race, its a two man race"

he has already been wrong. it is not a 2 man race.
the hewitt curse again
he said huckabee was a non-factor.
the hewitt curse
he said mccain was dead
the hewitt curse

he is like captain queeq from mutiny on the bounty.

seriously though if hewitt ever talks about biased media again i will call the hypocrisy police immediately.

Where the hell is Coulter's Column?
Is TH censoring it?

the big mick

Dark Matter
"Foreigners are buying and selling off our infrastructure, our soil, our citizenship, and our sovereignty. All for corporate greed!"

Amen, to that statement and to most of the rest
that you have written.

I heard Pat Buchanan saying something similar just this past weekened on Book TV. I didn't think that I would ever agree with anything Buchanan had to say, but I was right with him there.

Pretty soon our CEO's of major corporations won't
be satisfied with being just another billionaire.
Being a gazillionaire will be the goal which will
mean more money thrown at any candidate
who promises to keep the minimum wage down - or
maybe get rid of it all together, who doesn't
rock the boat on any kind of perks for the lazy
uneducated no-nothing bums who work in the non-
professional jobs that have helped them reach
their billionaire status, who will find yet another country to supply us with what was once
our work force.

An ironic point: The unions are being blamed for
the disappearing work force. Guess what, we
could still have a work force and the CEO's would
still not have to join the bread line, or even
give up the mansion on the hill or that 2nd yacht. It is just that some people's greed knows
no bounds.

I want a country that we will protect our citizens from the Enron, World-Com, etc. gang,
not one that will kiss their butts.



religious CQ
It's Capt. Bligh from Mutiny on the Bounty, an historical person who navigated his life boat a thousand miles to safety, one of the great feats of British Naval History. You are thinking about "The Caine Mutiny" staring Humphrey Bogart--be interesting to review that Movie in light of Hellywood's penchant for imbedding (sp?) Marxist and Anti-American, Anti-Military Propaganda.

A friendly, ain't nothin personal, reminder. I refuse to use the "terminological inexactitude" "liberal" or "leftist". Both are based on false and myth-leading linear pro-marxist Political Spectrum models. My term, semanticlly correct and accurate, is "commiequeer". Believe what you want, but your position is neither Liberal (lessn you ARE givin half your stuff to the poor--YOUR stuff NOT somebody else's!) nor "left". As Tom Wolfe pointed out in the millenial edition Time, Hitler and Stalin were fraternal socialist Twins at the SAME POINT on the Political Spectrum, however much the CQ Stalinist Symps in the Media and Hellywood want to make them appear opposites (and thus makeover Stalin's EVIL into good with a false contrast to Hitler.) Thus, again, "left" has no meaning other than "Statist" and ANTI-Liberty.
On "religion" "before your own master you stand or fall" my point is that the Mormons are as Furtive as the mythical "moderate" Mullahs and the "Free" Masons. I've got to Trust my Prez and I've been reminded I CAN'T trust Mormons to be forthcoming about their REAL extra Biblical, extra-Christian Orthodox beliefs. So I can't Trust Mitt. He could be the first to sign the pledges and he still wouldn't get my vote.

the big mick

Bigotry is a bad strategy, born-agains
Looks like the born-again bigots are out in full force again. They are using any mention of Romney to bash Mormons. It's a bad strategy -- people are realizing that doctrinal beliefs are irrelevant in this context. It's all about character. And born-agains are showing ("by their fruits you shall know them") that they are small-minded and petty.

They need to stop drinking their Kool-Aid, put the doctrinal differences aside and ask themselves the most important question: Do Mormons follow the TEACHINGS of Christ (nevermind how they define him vs. the Mormons)? That's the only question that matters in relation to voting (or not voting) for Romney.

With the hateful screed the evangelicals continue to spew, can they answer yes to that question? I guess Christ will decide. (John 5:22).

Religion in Politics - WOW!!!
An important documentary will be released in January which deals with faith and religion in the political process. I think it may be one of the most important issues we face this political cycle. Check it out at articlevithemovie.com

tetemais
Your broad-sweeping comments about evangelicals make you just as bad as the people that you are speaking out against. Unless you think it's ok to refer to them as 'born-again bigots' and 'Kool-Aid drinkers.'

KingCQ
see earlier on the thread for meaning of semantically correct term "CQ"

Translation of your response: "Ann tells the truth on Huck."

Huck damned himself on pledge #2 (see above) with his own words quoted in Malkin's column earlier this week. Don't much care about anything else. All or nothing. See above for why Mitt is off my list. Not the belief, but the furtiveness ABOUT the extra-canonical, extra-orthodox, beliefs.

the big mick

mister brown
you might mention that the movie you reference is a hugh hewitt production.

Having read every comment
to this article, I think it is safe to say that Hugh doesn't know what he's talking about. What is obvious is that he is a Romney shill and he has reduced his own credibility to the level of the MSM.

My observation is that the comments suggest that an overwhelming majority do not support Romney. They may vote for him in the general, but he is not their first pick. As for me, he is my last pick. If we were voting for the best used car salesman, then he would be my first!

Finally, I am tired of the Hugh's, Hannity's, and other political commentators attacking other candidates to shore up their own. These people have damaged their credibility and in the words of Laura Ingraham, they should, "Shut Up & Sing". You know, do what it is that you do, that made you a popular or respectable commentator to begin with. Don't spend your star-power trying to convince others that your guy good, all others bad. Doesn't work with people that are engaged. In fact it is an absolute turnoff!

Just report the facts and let the people decide. In Hugh's case, if he reported fairly on Romney he would protect his own reputation. To do otherwise, does not impress the caliber of people that read TH. For those that don't, well it doesn't matter anyway because they are watching the alphabet channels. There they are getting, democrats good, Republicans bad.

"lemonhead" ATT Dark Matter
I'm with you on being against Mexamericanada and an exploited "guestworker" slave class that Mexicanizes our Culture.

But lemonhead's kill the rich, redistributionist rant is no different from the commiequeer Marxist cant. If you hate the rich you are a commiequeer in deed and belief if not in your self-designation.

Your words reveal you to be just a big a Statist and redistributioist as the biggest commiequeer.

Forget that crap. It ain't your money Lemonhead, and they don't owe you a damn thing. If they are more successful than you, they did something BETTER than you and they, and I, and Uncle Sammy don't owe you a damn thing. You believe anything different you believe just like the commiequeers. You worried about your job making buggy whips--get a better more marketable education, lemonhead--your "labor" is a commodity, that's all, its market value is what it is--if your product ain't sellin--upgrade your product--nobody else owes you a damn thing.

the big mick

2008
The democrats (and MSM) began this season braying about their 2 "rock star" candidates while dismissively characterizing the Republican field as the gang nobody wanted.

History will record that in their slavish devotion to all things Clinton, the democrats blew their best chance for retaking the White House by nominating an untested, minimally vetted and highly flawed woman, who I have no doubt the country will reject.

The republicans, on the other hand, have witnessed a wonderful refining process, forming what I am certain will be an exceptionally strong, fully tested candidate (probably Romney)who will be a truly great Republican President.

Thompson

He is a good ole boy and talks like one although his mainspring is sprung and he ain't got the umph he might once have had. I expect that young wife has got his umph all bottled up.

Maybe he would be a good addition as a VP. Now remember, he's CFR and unless he's willing to renounce that, publicly, I for one would have a hard time believing in his positions talk. He knows how to woo the ladies and I suspect the same may be true of the rest of us.

I like him. I just don't believe in him.


BJ "And That Age Old Tactic To Deceive"
Since when does refusing to be politically correct and simply calling a spade a spade or a fool a fool or a charlatan a charlatan comprise mockery? The simple, un-varnished truth is that truth can never mock, it simply informs.

By the way, BJ, you said that in his religion speech Romney used an "age old tactic to decieve". Is that not the perfect definition of what a charlatan does?

As for me Mocking Zappy, I have no idea what, if any religious affiliation he has. He may be Mormon, he may not. My only question for all his lists of famous Mormons would be has he seen the impressive lists of famous Nazis, Communists, Facicts or other looney tunes? A list in this case is simply a bunch of names of people who all subscribe to some idea, and in no way does it prove any efficacy for what ever the idea is.

Romney was not lying, not deceptive
I seen more than once in these comments that some Christians were offended by Mitt's statement that as a Mormon, he believes "that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior of mankind." Without any desire to be contentious or offensive, may I explain a little more about that?

The LDS Church teaches that Christ is literally the Son of God. Really. He is divine, because His Father is divine. We also believe that Christ suffered and died for our sins, and that through His sacrifice--only through His sacrifice!--we can be saved. Now, I COMPLETELY realize that the specifics of our beliefs are fundamentally different from other Churches. (I suspect Mitt knows that too--he's not a dumb guy.) But how do those specifics figure into politics? If Mormons believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ and share the same values as other Christian Churches (valuing life, protecting the family, etc.), then what else can you ask for of a politician? Mitt believes that Jesus Christ has a perfect, glorified body...the Evangelists believe Jesus Christ is part of the Holy Trinity. But in deciding on a President of the US, how does that make a difference at all? Mitt was not trying to deceive anyone into thinking that our Mormon beliefs are the same as everyone else's--he was just saying that in the realm of politics, our beliefs are similar enough that we can work together just fine.

Merry Christmas, everyone!

Not doctrinaire; just honest
THRadio:

I agree that what one chooses to believe should be based on honest study, reflection and prayer. I studied Mormon beliefs and Christian beliefs and upon reflection and prayer, chose to embrace the latter. I can accept that others may choose the former.

What I have trouble with is those who reject something without first doing exactly what you suggest: honest study, reflection and humble prayer. My question to you is how can one say he has honestly studied something if his study has not led to understanding? Doesn't honest study mean seeking to understand before rejecting? Yet, you say you don't accept the Nicene Creed even though you acknowledge you don't understand it.

And, I have trouble with those who use words that for over 1500 years were understood to mean one thing, yet use them to mean something else entirely.

Any man is free to create his own religion. Honestly and openly. What I don't believe him free to do - and still be called an honest man - is to create an entirely new religion and try to claim it as the "true and intended" version of a very different religion that has its own unique history and its own already established definitions.

Do you believe the Eternal Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost to be One God? Do you believe them to be co-equal and to share in the one Divine Nature? Or do you believe them three separate Gods? Do you believe them the only Gods? Or do you believe there are other Gods as well?

But most importantly, are you willing to discuss your beliefs openly and honestly? Or are you too just going to send me to the "site" where I can find all the PR/cryptic answers to my questions?

Would you trust me if rather than share what I believe, I spoke only using terms I know you will think mean what you take them to mean (knowing that is different than my understanding) and then refer you to the Vatican site for anything more?



thebigmick
"It ain't your money Lemonhead, and they don't owe you a damn thing. If they are more successful than you, they did something BETTER than you and they, and I, and Uncle Sammy don't owe you a damn thing."

******

Oh, gosh. You seem like such a neat guy. Wish I
knew you better.

This is not about who owes whom what. It is
defining who we are as a people. Are we going to
protect the little guy, or are we going to let the rich, the powerful, the greedy do what they have always done (not every one of them - let's not be tiresome) throughout history.

In our own history: Bidding wars on who will take a job the most cheaply. Sending out the police to
keep people in line who are protesting working conditions - and oh by the way, shooting them also. When they can't make enough money for themselves, sending work abroad (even the answering machine at Disney is answered by an Indian, for god's sake.) Asking for, and getting, severance pay packages for a job not-all-that-well-done, in the multi, multi million $ range. What these guys are better at is taking care of themselves first,
last and always.

People, whether they are bright or dumb, whether
they have had life's advantages or not, whether
their genes are fantastic or not so great, are
still people and God's creation.

We can get ourselves a government that says the
the Business of Government is Business or we
can have a governement that says We are the People.

I vote for the latter.


"Truth" is a very contentious name......

.....any man besides the Christ who claims truth is fooling himself and wantonly trying to fool the rest of us.

I don't care what the subject is, I may quite possibly agree whole heartedly with your "truth", but to believe we possess the truth is to be a fool and a liar, even if only to one's self.

What we have is our opinion, right or wrong or more probably half right and half wrong. But the truth.??. Never.

We are accidentally in truth at times but usually rather far from the truth.

The TRUTH, only in God, his Son and the Holy Spirit.


Religious Conversions and Zapper
Zapper writes: "The event you've got to watch for is when one of your children becomes a Mormon. I know, "No way!" But, it does happen, time & time again. Be sure to pump them full of propaganda now, to help prevent this from happening".

Strange tack for this discussion to take, are you that insecure in your faith that you cannot think of anything of substance to add but the nightmare thought that any of mine would be so gullible?

onceamarine
What part of Huckabee's immigration plan don't you like?
1. Closing the border
2. Fining businesses that hire illegals
3. Deporting illegal aliens that commit another crime (being here is their first crime)
4. Allowing illegals in the US to pay a fine, go to their home country, and the GET IN THE BACK OF THE LINE to immigrate legally.

Romney Lie Machine is
all cranked up...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/80949

There are enough legitimate concerns about Huckabee without manufacturing stuff like this. Respect for Romney has dropped 10 points.

Let's Play...
Hugh's most laughable line...

"Thus if Romney falters, his voters will largely go to Rudy."


Grammar Error
Oops. The first sentence of my above comment should have been written: "I've seen..." not "I seen..." Sorry about that! I do have a college education, I promise! :)

Maybe, but...
I see a couple of problems with Hewitt's analysis.

He's actually too easy on Huckabee...Huckabee is nothing but a liberal who goes to church. It's hard to distinguish any of his record as governor of Arkansas from Bill Clinton's...except for a lower number of sexual-harassment accusations.

I like both Giuliani and Romney--in that order--but both lost a lot of my respect in the last debate when they both raised their hands to signify that they believed in human-generated global warming. But there are too many conservatives who won't vote for someone as liberal as Rudy, and too many sheet-wearing evangelists who won't vote for a Mormon. And I'm still not 100% sure he actually believes what he's saying.

Hunter just isn't competitive this time.

Hewitt writes Thompson off too easily. Every time I hear Thompson speak, he says the right things...on immigration, on socialized medicine, on most of the topics that conservatives hold dear.

It may be that Thompson lacks "energy". It may be that he's biding his time. But I definitely believe that pundits like Hewitt write him off too readily. Would Thompson be farther ahead if Hewitt and his ilk spent more time talking about him and his positions, instead of restricting himself to the candidates the MSM think are the most viable?

Unbelieveable
Romney attacks Huckabee again with false and misleading claims. I thought Mormons supposedly shared our Christian values.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/80949

If Romney's conservative why'd he pick so many liberal judges?? 14 democrats 13 independents and only 9 Republicans

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/07/25/romney _jurist_picks_not_tilted_to_gop/

My confidence is in Huckabee, I can believe him.


Thanks for your fine post
Rebecca:

I agree with you that Romney's religious beliefs should not matter to us when selecting a president. History has given us many great presidents: some believers, some not.

As I have said, if Romney had not made the statement he made regarding his belief about Jesus, I would have thought his speech excellent. However, it is because he chose to make that statement that I have lost my ability to trust and support him.

When he chose to say what he said, the way he said it, he knew full well that the majority of his audience, those who are non-Mormons and Christian, would understand him to be saying something very different than what he knew himself to be saying. He didn't have to include that statement. And yet he chose to. Why, if not to say, look - we believe the same basic things.

But we do not believe the same basic things at all. Those "specifics" make our religions two very different, two entirely different religions.

Had he said nothing about his beliefs, or said honestly that he knows Mormons and Christians have very different beliefs about God and Christ, about what it means to be human and what it means to be divine, but he asks that we practice what we preach about respecting freedom of religion, I would have respected that.

But that's not what he did.

If he uses words that are meant to get me to believe we share the same religious beliefs, when in fact we do not and when in fact those specifics make all the difference, then how do I know he hasn't used that same tactic when it comes to abortion? Or immigration? Or economics? Or taxation? Or foreign policy?

If he thinks our religions are "similar enough" when in fact the similarities are super thin, and the differences profound, then I must question just how similar our politics really are, despite the fact that we use similar words.


Romney
Oh Pleueezze. I won't be voting for Huckabee as he has LIED about not knowing about the LDS faith. The SBC has made it it's misison to tear the LDS chruch apart since it was learned that fully 30 percent of new converts in the 80's were from the ranks of SBC. Huck even came to Salt Lake in 1998, to preach at a convention that was billed as a large anti-mormon SBC event.

S little trught telling, Huck. Please? And remember, Jimmy Carter was SBC. Enough said.

Romney's judges (soulsamurai)
soulsamurai posted a link to an article documenting Mitt Romney's selection of more Democrats than Republicans to judicial benches in Massachusetts. Fourteen D, 13 unaffiliated, 9 R.

soulsamurai fails to mention three things:

1) Democrats outnumber Republicans by a margin of 4 to 1 in Massachusetts. So 9 Republicans against 14 Democrats is actually disproportionately Republican, for Massachusetts.

2) Romney himself abolished politically-tainted regional nominating committees for judges, and replaced it with a central nominating committee that reviewed judge's credentials on resumes with their names omitted, so partisanship would not come into the original nominating process. Lawyers all over Massachusetts praised him for this move.

3) Romney claims his primary criteria for judgeships included a) legal experience, and b) how tough they were on crime. Now, this is not the criterion I would use, myself; but it does constitute a reasonable criterion, especially in a state where the judges being considered for promotion were likely to be Democrats by a margin of 4 to 1.

I'm not a Romney fan, personally; I'm voting for Fred Thompson. But if you're going to dismiss Romney, who's a highly effective leader, try to find a more valid reason.

(Unrelated to this topic, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

National Review Endorsed Romney
I find comfort in knowing that the National Review has endorsed Romney. They say that their criteria is the most conservative and electable candidate. Most reservations about Romney's conservatism should vanish with this major endorsement.

The question now is: what direction will the Republican Party go? Will they make a turn to the left with Huckabee or Guiliani? Or will they step to the right in the direction of core conservative principles with Romney? Turning to the left would fracture the party IMHO. Going with Romney would keep the party together.

It seems clear to me that Romney is our guy.

THE BIG MICK

.....Only Hunter and Thompson could be counted on to support all five points ...(Tancredo has dropped out)...

.....Giulani, Romney, Huckabee and McCain would all fail #2 (Defend our Border) all though they would all support it now ...they have not in the past ...which makes them flip/floppers at best ...and liars at worst .....COLOSSUS

baseballdoc
Yeah, I had begun to think that was the case. Haven't been following close so I didn't know about Tancredo. Know anything about Keyes or any of the others besides those already named?
As I have stated, Paul's out on 1, Julieannie, Huck, and MacChurian Candidate on #2, maybe Mitt too, but certainly Mitt because I can't trust him.
And once again, the Iowa, NH, and SC voters, HH and TH had better understand that nominating Maky, Mitt, Julie or Huck throws my vote to Hitlery for REASONED reasons. Their "lesser of two evils" false dilemma crap has reached the end of its operational life.
Anybody who doesn't meet the pledges is NO different FROM Hitlery in my book, so I have NOTHING to lose.

the big mick

WHERE IS COULTER TH??? Att. Tadpole
See Malkin's quotes of his previous words.
Anybody who calls someone who prefers his OWN AMERICAN culture over a corrupt Mexican one a "nativist" is a bigot and an Reconquista Symp and enabler in my book. Don't give a DAMN what Huck's plan is NOW, his earlier words damn him irretrieveably (sp?) in my book.

the big mikc


Feeling fruity
In the interest of disclosure, let me first say I am a practicing Mormon. As such it is extremely tempting for me to blindly throw my support behind Mitt Romney. But I may not. I have some legitimate concerns regarding his actual record.

"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." Matt 7:20

And it seems to me that BJ and Truth and everyone who thinks the way they do are too caught up in the doctrinal theology to realize that, time and time again, Mormons and "Christians" (of the evangelical variety) are fighting on the same side of almost every relevant social issue.

"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." Matt 7:20

Regarding Mitt specifically, he has talked a good talk during his campaign, but knowing some of the the things he did as governor of MA, that may not be good enough for me.

"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." Matt 7:20

Anyone who bases their decision to vote for or against a specific candidate on anything other than their "fruits" is doing themselves and the country a great disservice. All of the issues of trust (BJ) can be resolved through an appeal to their promises as compared to their voting records. And theology (Truth--what a misnomer) should not be an issue. Look at a politician's record, not his promises--and make your decision.

"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." Matt 7:20

BTW, after reading through all of the comments on this blog I have come to the conclusion that the old saying applies: Opinions are like buttholes..."

The National Review has endorsed Romney?
Yippee! Mitt should be getting his check from AIPAC any day now. Maybe he can use some of it to pay his JINSA dues and make his reservations for Bilderberg 2008. National Review? More like Neo-con Review.

HUCKABEE LIED ABOUT WEIGHT LOSS?
A medical doctor has released research showing Huckabee likely lied about losing 110 lbs. in one year. Huck said it was due to diet and exercise. He even wrote a book about it, touting himself as a weight loss expert. But this doctor says "hold on" it was probably gastric bypass surgery. If it is true, Huck is a big, big liar.

http://plutarch01.wordpress.com/2007/12/11/new-121007-300pm /

cjb56
The Jewish neocons at NR were actually against Romney. I think NR actually founds enough Gentiles to put Romney over the top.

Romney looks okay to me.
To understand undecided voters, I look at votes I've cast where I wasn't die-hard for a particular candidate. By that non-zealous standard, Romney looks like a jewel. Brilliant in business and a Governor. A non-zealous Repub sees brilliant in business, governor, conservative. A non-zealous Dem sees brilliant in business, governor, Massachusetts, moderate conservative. And he talks a lot better than he looks - in photos, he looks a little 'male modely', but that goes away when you see him on TV. Of course, let's be honest, the GQ looks aren't a net loser for the guy.

Again, I write this because I'm trying to understand voters who aren't 'into it' like I am. (I'm die-hard Hillary.) I've cast votes in the past on simple scorecards - Romney's simple scorecard looks great.

I hope he's your guy, because one of the most important things for the nation right now is that the Republican Party grow out of Bushism. Whatever made you guys nominate that turkey, please get over it. I won't vote for Romney (unless it's Mitt vs. Obama) but I won't spend 4 years barfing at the very thought of 'President Romney'.





Romney is not the enemy
I am troubled by the contentiousness of the debate about Romney's qualifications, which invariably deteriorate into theological attacks on Mormonism and then the understandable defensive responses. I have known many Mormons, have visited Salt Lake City, and have the utmost respect for the values they espouse and teach. I cannot understand the objections to their claiming to believe in Christ as the Son of God. Denegrating their beliefs seems to have no relevant purpose.

Romney seems to me to be ethical, strong and conservative. I understand some concern about his evolution in ideas but remember Ronald Reagan also evolved from pro-choice to pro-like and even from Democrat to Republican.

Hugh obviously likes Mitt and Mitt's chances of being nominated and elected. He is an opinion writer for Pete's sake. Why does that elicit such hateful responses? Isn't that what he is supposed to do? Is he a liar and a shill just because he does agree with your positions?

I think we have an impressive list of GOP candidates and I will support Romney. That doesn't mean that I think Huckabee or Rudy or Fred are evil. I just think Mitt is stronger.

At the risk of sounding idiotic, can't we just all just get along? We're on the same team, are we not?

Response to loco
As I said in my entry, I am still undecided as to who I will vote for in the primary elections.
My dwindling respect for Hewitt has to do with how he has represented himself over the years and the sudden change in that representation.
Hugh is conservative, but has appeared balanced in his approach. Besides his political commentary, he has noted on air his friendships with some very liberal folks like California State Legislator Sheil Kuehl, a lesbian liberal.
I find it refreshing that Hugh can disagree agreeably with folks on the other side of aisle without rancor. This is why I find his uneven approach to Romney out of character and damaging to his credibilty. There is nothing wrong with a commentator endorsing a candidate. The problem is that Hewitt appears to have lost objectivity when it comes to the other candidates to the degree that his commentary is no longer balanced. If Hewitt chooses to follow this path that is his choice, but as listener and/or reader I, too, have a choice to no longer take his commentary seriously.

Maine
Don't be naive. We will not all just get along because we are talking about political, ideological, and essentially, cultural warfare.

But agree, Mitt is the best choice we have.

Proof that Romney is a Liberal
Romney will say anything to get elected, but if you want proof that he is a liberal in disguise, read the following Boston Globe article about his liberal judicial appointments: A full three-quarters of Romney's judicial appointments have been Democrats or Independents, while only one quarter have been Republicans.

"Governor Mitt Romney, who touts his conservative credentials to out-of-state Republicans, has passed over GOP lawyers for three-quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he has faced, instead tapping registered Democrats or independents -- including two gay lawyers who have supported expanded same-sex rights, a Globe review of the nominations has found."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/07/25/romney _jurist_picks_not_tilted_to_gop/

Liberius
This is not the first time I have been accused of being naive, and maybe I am. I understand we have political, ideological and cultural differences and exploring and discussing them is healthy and positive. I just think that "warfare" should be reserved for the real enemy of socialism and big government. Any of our GOP candidates would be miles ahead of a Hillary presidency. Reading these posts just seems as though we have lost sight of who, and what, the real enemy is.

tadpole - huckster

Well at least you don't carry a pretentious name like "TRUTH".

MR Huckeleberry's history says it all. He is well known next door in Arkansas for his druthers. He can say ALL THE RIGHT WORDS BUT A MAN IS KNOWN FOR HIS "STRONGLY LIVED" PAST.

He is a consoler and advocate of the illegal migrants. He is a close friend with the Tyson's and others who use thousands of illegals in their business. I wonder how they ever got so big when they used local home grown labor.

Tyson's was 25% of the US poultry market 20 years ago, and only stopped expanding because the US justice department was staring hard at them for growing too fast and too big. Conagra, Pilgrims and several others are just as bad and pay for "political cooperation". The country is covered with employers doing all of the above and more.

Let's face it. You or I or the man in the moon would give both testicles to make the kind of money those boys make, and we might think illegal, almost slave labor, and ignoring your own people and country, would be a great idea. It is not a great nor even a good, nor even less, a legal idea.

Those companies need to be brought into compliance and the whole thing will resolve itself. No work, no illegals. They are illegals, not stupids.


Hugh, Mitt's Lap Dog
1. Romney claims to be "pro-life" but established abortion as a "healthcare benefit" in his own government run healthcare plan (after his purported "pro-life conversion.") Proof Source http://www.mass.gov/Qhic/docs/cc_benefits1220_pt234.pdf Of note, Romney also placed a Planned Parenthood representative on the health care board but no pro-life representatives.

2. Romney claims to oppose "gay marriage" and "did everything he could to oppose it as governor." Yet, his record shows that he was advised to ignore the Goodridge opinion by various constitutional lawyers (including Hugh Hewitt- proof source http://massresistance.blogspot.com/2007/12/hugh-hewitt-tol d-romney-to-defy-mass.html) and chose not to even though the court had no constitutional jurisdictional authority to even hear the case in the first place. When the legislature never amended or suspended the current marriage statute (Ch. 207) to accommodate "gay marriage" that should have been the end of it. But Romney had privately promised the Log Cabin GOPs not to oppose gay marriage if elected governor in 2002( proof source http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/08/us/politics/08romney.htm l?_r=3&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin ) and so he chose to ignore the constitution he swore to uphold to fulfill the campaign promise to the Log Cabin GOPs and ordered his own Dept of Health to illegally change the marriage certificates from "husband" and "wife" to "partner A" and "partner B" and ordered Justices of the Peace and Town Clerks to perform same sex marriage ceremonies or resign even though it was against the law to do so.



BJ
you are so right about mormons and christians not believing the same theology..

What i can't understand is how mormons have been able to vote for conservative christians for 100 years when these same christians have announced to thier audience the same thing Mitt did?

How is it that mormons knowing thier theology differs from the christian TRINITY view were able to still consider the one speaking it (BUSH) as honest and trustworthy and still a christian?

Are mormons just FOOLS for voting for christians? Were they mistaken and should not make the same mistake for somebody like HUCK if he gets the nomination?

On abortion, immigration, taxes, foreign policy should mormons consider the difference in theology between themselves and those that follow the trinity, as NON ISSUES?

Should mormons consider anybody who claims to follow CHRIST who is not a follower of thier definiton as a LIAR, and a DECEIVER?

I would have a lot more respect for HUCK if he made sure and added at the end of his commercial about CHRISTMAS.
"now I know that not everybody believes in the same christ I do and I recognize that"

Somehow I missed that part of his AD.


Please give some feedback about how mormons should consider other religions that say what MITT did but don't have the same theology?

Amazing.
The anti Christians on this board who continually bash the LDS Church using lies and half truths really need to look in the mirror and take stock that they are acting like Liberals by using the same tactics...

mitt and mormons
the constitution bars having a state sponsored religion. This talk of making mormonism the national religion is total hooey. We need to focus on the real enemy and danger to this republic. The clintons and their scewball plans for increased socialism is the real danger. Knowing the clintons and the dims can't be relied on to defend america should alarm everyone. Bubba's screwball notion that he will launch a campaign to restore america's image is another clinton fantasy. buuba and the dims believe the nonsense that he was an effective president and that he has the skills to make america more friends around the world.

Why NEOCONS hate Ron Paul?

GREAT VIDEO

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/why-neocons-hate-r on-paul


Endorsement
Tom Tancredo just endorsed Mitt Romney as the best of the top-tier. I think I could easily vote for a Romney-Tancredo ticket next November. However, should the Stupid Party shoot itself in the foot again and nominate Giuliani, Huckabee or McCain as the standardbearer, I'm not voting Republican, I'll look at what the Constitution Party has to offer.

Tancredo out & he endorses ROMNEY
Read and weep Huckster & McMain

Rep. Tom Tancredo dropped out of the race for the Republican presidential nomination Thursday and endorsed rival Mitt Romney.

Tancredo, a five-term congressman from Colorado, had based his campaign on fighting illegal immigration and has run television ads that link lax border control to terrorist attacks, rape and other crimes. He has consistently polled at the bottom of the nine-person Republican field.

He announced his withdrawal two weeks before Iowa begins the presidential nominating process with the precinct caucuses.

Tancredo, who has consistently polled at the bottom of the nine-man Republican field, said he decided to drop out in part because of concern that his presence could split the vote for other candidates who have taken a hard line on immigration, helping those who would take a less restrictive approach.

"I fear remaining in this race, one which I cannot win, would contribute to the nomination of one of these candidates," he said.

Tancredo identified Mike Huckabee and John McCain as two Republican candidates whose records indicate they wouldn't be tough enough on immigration.

"We have done too much, we have come too far for me to allow that to happen," Tancredo said.


Right ON Tasha
I just read yours after posting the same news.

And we know where you stand on this migration crapola. Right with the other patriots.

Sam, sam, sam

You have a good candidate in Dr Paul. But he would be lucky to get one state nationally.

If he were president, do you believe the congress would follow him.??. Do you think that the MSM wouldn't have a field day with him.??. It would be a shame to screw up his legacy by putting him in the presidency. He does more good criticizing from outside the circle. Sorry.. as a non president people will listen to him. As prez he would be put to shame and considered as worse than Carter.

Keep up the message. His message is good, but the messenger is scorned.


If we have a dem landslide.....

.....it will be the economy stupid. Sure, bush has a lot of people teed off, especially in the blue states, but the real problem facing any Repub candidate, any, is the state of the economy come next fall, some 10 minths from now. the predictions are bad news and the public always votes their pocketbook when things are less promising.

If the Dems win it will be because of the economy, not who the candidates are.

Here's the problem with Hugh Hewitt
Hugh's first problem is that he does not hold himself to the same standards that he holds other journalists/commentators to. Hugh mocks/chides/lambastes other journalists/commentators for bias, yet Hugh is perhaps the most biased journalist/commentator out there. Hugh Hewitt is basically serving as a cheerleader for the Mitt Romney campaign right now. How he can in all good faith call ANYONE else out for bias is just astounding.

Now, Hugh's second problem is that he is so blinded by his deep love for Mitt Romney (and potential cabinet position if Mitt wins) that his commentaries have lost any and all credibility.

Like Dinesh D'Souza often says, you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are NOT entitled to your own facts.

Hugh has gone around claiming that Mitt Romney is our best chance at beating Hill-Dawg. Funny - because in EVERY single poll that has been released, Hill-Dawg absolutely blows out and embarasses Romney by 20-30 percentage points. (Whereas McCain always beats her).

Everytime a poll is released that shows McCain or Huckabee doing well, Hugh will either a) absolutely refuse to report it or b) mock it and say that it has no credibility.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But a good opinion has a basis in fact. Hugh's opinions have no basis in fact. They are based on a wild, unmitigated, and at times borderline erotic love for Mitt Romney.

He's almost like Michael Moore now - just cherry-picking facts that suit his love for Romney, while ignoring all facts that fly in the face of his Romney love.

It's embarassing to Hugh (who has basically now lost most of his following), and it's embarassing to the GOP.

Smart Money
I think the smart money is on a brokered convention and who knows what will happen there. Will be very interesting.

Apples and oranges...
Scooter:

It's a question of respecting history and respecting any given religion's right to its own history as well as the language it developed to express that history and set of beliefs.

What if, for example, the famous Mormon Fawn McKay Brodie decided to take a different path? What if, rather than simply write a book announcing that Joseph Smith was a fraud, what if she had written instead that she had a vision of Joe and he told her the current Mormon faith was simply a fraudulent development of what it was supposed to be? And what if she formed a following and together they created another - entirely different - religion that they continued to call Mormonism? And what if they went from door to door in Mormon neighborhoods to try to convert Mormons to their new religion, but rather than tell those Mormons that what they believe is considered heretical by the original Mormons, so much so that she was excommunicated by them, she told them that she believes just what they believe? And describes her new ideas only superficially, using the same terms they recognize and believe to mean something else entirely?

The difference between Romney and Huckabee is both simple and profound: one is quite open and honest about what he believes and how it differs from Mormon belief; the other tries to convince uneducated Christians that they share the same basic beliefs.

The question isn't: how can Christians vote for a Mormon or how could Mormons vote for Christians? I've already stated that I don't think a person's religion should matter in selecting a president.

The question is: how can self-respecting Christians vote for this specific man when he has so little respect for what they believe that he could publicly claim that what they and Mormons believe about Christ is essentially the same?

Go Mister Mitt!!!
I have been hoping for a long time that Romney would run, and win the nomination!

Can't wait to see him on the stage, debating the Shrillster. He looks better in every way...

Pants on Fire
I don't suppose that bald-faced lie about seeing his father march with Martin Luther King will exactly help his chances. But of the course the mainstream press shirks from calling attention to the president's lies. Maybe Mitt will benefit from the same irresponsibility.

Good Job
You know, we are doing a great job of negative campaigning on whoever gets the Republican nomination.

Why don't we concentrate on defeating the democrats?

another cheery day
and i thought that i was one of the most disliked guys in america..gee--iam getting jealous of hugh, maybe hugh rates higher? durn it!
hey...oncemarine, your little rascally fingers have been real busy on those keyboards on the computer! your "why romney?" made me chuckle. what is CFR you referenced about thompson?
romney tied with rudy...nationally according to some poll, tancredo endorses him,hmmm?
do you think huckleberry will endorse him? HA HA HA HA! i think in time those who dont trust orlike romney will be surprised and soften their hearts a little..in time it will take time but it will happen ..they will see he's more conservative than they realize! debate: mitt took on the mass. hillary for the governship..she tried the religion, abortion,
flip flop,etc. he just batted away her ideas and was elected! sooo he's ready for hillary! he recently said..iam ready for the flip flop part of the debate! hey..oncemarine..what does CFR stand for? if mitt wins the nomination.he will not pick rudy. but rudy might ask mitt..nooo they are not the same! best wishes.. elvis


We are in deep weeds
The big question every candidate needs to answer is where they stand on the question of the North American Union, and ultimately one world gov. What will anything matter when we don't even have a country? Our constitution will be scrapped.

ALL the top tier support the agenda of CFR/Trilateral Commission. Romney is heir apparent to the Bush dynasty. He is totally on board with the globalist agenda. He is just another lying scumbag. He will revert to his previous positions on abortion, immigration, etc. No globalist will EVER close our borders. They want to kill the middle class because there is too much money in the middle class.

There is no one to vote for. Romney, Rudy, Fred, McCain, and the Huckster are all for NAU. I believe the next president, either party will preside over the end of our country as we know it.

The elephant in the room is totally being ignored. To talk about illegals while ignoring the NAU (Bush has been holding summits on integration for the last 3 yrs) is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Rockefeller Republicans
“It is folly to underestimate the contempt that the Rockefeller Republicans have for the middle class, regarding it as a roadblock to their ability to make the money they should be able to make.

I believe that if the R. Republicans had their way, there would be a massive slave labor class that people would be born into, could not work their way out of, and die in. What better way to do this than by allowing unlimited numbers of illegal aliens to come and stay.”

Welcome to your new (third world) country the North American Union. These guys have no ideology except commerce. They do not care if they are working with a "Stalin", etc. so long as they are making money. They have no allegiance to our country and Americans.

The promises all of them are making are an insult to our intelligence. Most people are too busy watching survivor and dancing with the stars and are going to be SO surprised to wake up one day and not have a country.







elvis,
thebigmick did not say anything about Thompson; I believe you read something that was addressed to bigmick, written by me.

Thompson is Lincoln and Reagan and he will deliver.

paulina

Thompson, 2008


Ditto aDNA.
"If strangling Socialists with their own intestines is wrong, Fred Thompson has no desire to be right." - IMAO

I just neutered the cat, now he’s a liberal...

Thompson, 2008 & 2012!

beyondrightwing, are you real :D
Thompson stole my heart away when he ended global warming by not raising his hand.

But then, if you look at is intelligent, conservative, loyal, patriotic wife, it might start global warming back up again!


Oh yeah, and the problem with edu
cation in our country is the NEA, according to Thompson:

"When we want to inject a little freedom into the system--vouchers and charters--there is the NEA spending millions to oppose it." --F Thompson

Plus, we need to pass an amendment banning court fabricated gay marriage.

Thompson o8

i thought
oncemarine used the expression.."CFR" CONNECTED TO ------------------------------
THOMPSON? WHAT DOES CFR MEAN?
APPRECIATE ANY LIGHT YOU CAN SHARE ON THIS! I DONT THINK THOMPSON CAN PULL IT OFF?? IAM GETTING SICK OF ALL THIS JAZZ......TIME TO GO OUT AND BUY ANOTHER "ELVIS " ALBUM! heh heh heh
elvis


Walking with MLK
Hey, my dad and I also walked with MLK. Oh, I didn't mean we were actually there. I could see how you might think that but that's not what I really meant.

You're boy's a flip-flipper/cry baby JOKE Hugh and would be slaughtered by the dims. Wake up!

Thompson, 2008 & 2012!

I just neutered the cat, now he’s a liberal...


Huckabee should have kept religion out
His references to being a theology student, Christian Leader, and the Jesus/Satan question, touched off the Anti-Mormon sentiment among Evangelicals, which fueled his meteoric rise in the polls. But as the piece in Slate this week pointed out, there has been a concerted effort by Southern Baptists and other Evangelicals to tell their members that Mormons aren't Christians, that Mormonism is a cult, etc. Oops.

I could vote for an Evangelical. In fact, I have. But remember all the reaction to Bush's naming Jesus as his favorite philosopher. He has exhibited his faith in an appropriate way, by being scrupulously appreciative of the good in all religious traditions, and he never made the slightest hint of a suggestion that he deserved your vote because of his religion.

Huckabee's repeated mentions of his religion combined with the widespread Anti-Mormonism among Evangelicals, has not passed unnoticed, and I don't believe that independents and swing voters will stand for bringing religion into politics. Romney certainly hasn't wanted it brought up, but he's been pestered with snotty questions. If he's the candidate, he'll be unable to take religion off the table, and it will cost the Republicans dearly.

To BJ:
Reading your posts makes me tired. I can't understand half of the crap you are spouting as reason for why you think Mitt Romney said what you think he meant as a statement that was supposed to be deceiving people into thinking that he meant something that he didn't actually say. Got it? Yeah, me neither.

Do us all a favor and get over it. The Church of *JESUS CHRIST* of Latter-day Saints believes that Christ is the son of God and suffered and died for our sins. The Book of Mormon carries a subtitle. It's "Another Testament of Jesus Christ." Among the many passages found in there is this one: "And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins." 2 Nephi 25:26. The title page states the purpose of the book like this: "And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD..." Look it up yourself.

The point is, the statement he made was TRUE, period. It was a concise declaration of the central tenet of Mormonism. You seem to be dealing from some form of post-traumatic stress disorder from an experience with an over-zealous Mormon missionary. Evangelicals don't have a monopoly on the belief in the divinity of Jesus Christ, so come on, man....let it go.

Christian Doctrine vs. Mormon Doctrine
See the differences here:

http://www.carm.org/lds/compare.htm