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Thursday, December 13, 2007
Hugh Hewitt :: Townhall.com Columnist
Mike Huckabee's Low Blow
by Hugh Hewitt
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When Mike Huckabee asked a New York Times' reporter, "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers," he crossed a line he cannot uncross.

Previous to this he had played a game of teasing the anti-Mormon vote, and had been called on it by Charles Krauthammer and others.

But Huckabee had maintained deniability.

No more. Huckabee's obvious attempt to salt the mine and get the reporter to carry antt-Mormon rhetoric into the paper without Huckabee's fingerprints on it backfired, and the transparent attempt to use the MSM to further the anti-Mormon message was repulsive.

Until he crossed that line, Huckabee remained a viable protest vote for conservative evangelicals who distrusted Romney's conversion on life issues. The hard core anti-Mormon fanatics are actually few in number and many of them are on the left --like Larry O'Donnell-- and Romney had successfully put the issue of his faith behind him with his speech at the Bush Library.

But Romney still needed to connect with movement social conservatives leery of his embrace of the cause of the unborn. Until he unfurled the banner of Christian identity politics, Huckabee provided these voters with a place to park their vote, even though the effect would be to elevate Rudy Guiliani. Some of these values voters were going to vote their conscience, regardless of the result.

But there are millions and millions of evangelicals who will want no part of the appeal to "vote against the Mormon."

With his recent rise in the polls, Huckabee began to experience a scrutiny of his record that was already eroding his appeal to social conservatives. The Committee for Growth blasted Huckabee for his record of hiking taxes in Arkansas. The former Arkansas governor looked not ready for prime time when he was caught flat-footed on the NIE. Huckabee's advocacy for Wayne DuMond could not be fast-talked away, and the argument for isolating victims of the AIDs virus set off alarms as beyond any reasonable position even though Huckabee made the proposal in 1992. Suddenly Huckabee began to appear as a light-weight, and the charming,,joking second-tier fun guy took on a distinctively different look.

Then comes the below the belt hit on Mormons, so profoundly off-putting to Republicans who believe in the big tent as well as to evangelicals and Catholics who know the gulf between their theology and that of the LDS Church but who would no more verbally assault their Mormons friends, neighbors and business colleagues than they would any other American different from them on matters of faith. It just itsn't done. "Republican voters will not tolerate attacks on faith," pollster Frank Luntz declared on my program yesterday. I think he is right, and I hope he is right.

Such attacks on different religious beliefs have been part of American history, but aren't part of the American future. The common creed of moral convictions that Romney referred to his his College Station speech on faith now includes as one of its tenets that you do not mock or insult another person's religion.

Buck Mike Huckabee did. To the world's most influential newspaper.

Huckabee ought to have apologized during the Des Moines Register debate, but he didn't, perhaps waiting for the moderator to provide a moment to show some feigned regret.

So he went to CNN immediately thereafter and asked for forgiveness.

Will that put Huckabee's anti-Mormon genie back in its bottle. I don't think so. "That which is said while drunk has been thought out beforehand," goes the old saying. In the modern media world, candidates for the presidency don't say careless things to the New York Times. It was a premeditated aside, an attempt to get a virus into circulation. It didn't work, but it did tell us a lot about Mike Huckabee.

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Stooge slams Huck/backs Twit Romney
Another of Salem's stooges - and let's face it: Is there any other kind of Salem host besides a stooge? - slams Huckabee ( a personal friend of telescamgelists Kenneth and Gloria Copeland ) in an effort to defend the candidate that racist pig Bob Jones III endorses: Mitt Romney, a man who believes he will someday be a god.
The lesser of two evils is ..... still evil.

Huckabee is busted
I agree with the article... Huckabee has revealed that he his an anti-Mormon bigot. He is afraid of scrutiny of his record as a governor, so he appeals to his "religious credentials"... a very unwise move. Romney is running on an issues-based platform. Huckabee is running on a religious platform and vainly tries to muddy the water by slinging mud.

Just because one says he's a Christian does not make him a Christian. I look at actions. To this point Gov. Romney has demonstrated that he is a true Christian by his actions. Huckabee claims to be a Christian and uses this rhetoric for political gain, which is despicable.

When is asking a question an insult?
Hugh, you assume the worst of Huckabee by assuming his question was an attack on Mormonism. And even if it was, you imply it's "bigotry." Are all attacks on Mormonism bigotry for you? Further, I totally disagree with you that not voting for Romney because he's LDS is necessarily bigotry.

First, suppose there is another candidate H who holds roughly identical moral and political values with R. Both are roughly identical in terms of experience and integrity, but H differs from R in that the former holds to the majority's theological values. Under such a scenario, it does not seem that one is a bigot if he or she votes for H on the basis of shared theological values.

Second, suppose there's a dear sweet grandma who doesn't follow politics much. Yet she loves the Lord, and wants someone in office who will not only be an individual of integrity (not necessarily a pastor, although that would be nice), but someone who will trust her Lord to lead this nation. She holds this on the basis of good reasons, not on the basis of mere preference. This is a value she does not share with Mormons, since she knows that Mormons follow an idolatrous, blasphemous, and imaginary god. For her, this value is fundamental for all other values. Thus, she refuses to vote for Romney. There is no hatred on her part toward Romney or others who are not of her faith. She would rather have someone in office, who is not simply a "person of faith," but a "person of the Christian faith."

Does that entail that she's a bigot? For you to claim that it does, then it seems just as fair to call you a bigot against God-fearing folk who want their leaders to follow and trust the same God they do. You need to be more careful when throwing the "bigot" card out against your Christian brothers and sisters.
http//www.MormonInfo.org



Bookaholic
Hewitt wrote a book called "Faith in America", I believe. He went to all the major faiths and spoke to the top representatives of each denomination. For the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, he spoke to Neal A. Maxwell, an apostle, scholar, and scriptorian. Elder Maxwell was deeply spiritual, loved and respected by the LDS people.

Hewitt said that of all the church leaders in America with whom he had made acquaintance, Elder Maxwell had impressed him most of all. Although Hewitt does not embrace LDS theology in any way, I think that experience made him look more closely at Romney than he otherwise would have. Apparently what he saw made a good impression, and he did look closely.

So, at least his endorsement is an informed one, unlike many on this site who take some disdainful remark made by an unknown poster as gospel and run with it. Romney is not a flip-flopper. He changed his mind.

I did, too. I was once a straight-line Democrat who believed in abortion. Then, I joined the LDS Church and thought much more deeply about abortion. Babies do deserve two parents who want them, it's true. However, they should not have to pay with their lives if that's not the case, should not have to pay for someone else's mistake.

So, I'm a flip-flopper? Like Reagan? I'm in good company, then! Everyone who has ever changed their minds is a flip-flopper? That is completely retarded.

Romney was conflicted over abortion because the sister of his brother-in-law died of a back alley abortion. You may not favor abortion, but at the same time, not wish women dead. So, he decided to follow the law even though he personally was against abortion. Later, when MA decided they wanted to harvest embryos for parts, he said, "enough already!" and came out completely on our side. We should be celebrating.

Stopped listening to Hugh
ever since he became nothing but a Mitt campaign mouthpiece. If he thinks Mitt is great, that's fine, but the constant pumping him up and pulling down anyone else is a bit much. But then I suppose that's to be expected from the Schwartzeneger wing of the Republican party.

Okay Tony
I decided to take up your challenge.

First, let’s spell ISAIAH correctly. That may have lent some confusion to the issue. As for Isaiah 44:6 & 8, MY interpretation is that it refers to God being the God of this world. He is the only God of this Earth.

Revelation 22:18 & 19, refers to additions to the Book of Revelation only. The Bible was compiled long after John’s death and the scripture does not apply to the entire Holy Bible, just the Book of Revelation.

These are my interpretations. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I believe that Christ is my personal savior. So as far as I am concerned, that makes me a Christian. As a Christian, I try very hard not to judge others, after all, Christ in the BIBLE (Matthew 7:1-2) states that we should not judge others unless we want the same measured against us.

Additionally, this country was founded on religious tolerance, but we have a history of intolerance. I pray daily that people that claim that they are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddahist, etc. will wake up and practice what they preach and be kind and loving to their neighbors that do not see things exactly as they do.

As far as a president is concerned, I make a plea for people to consider who will be the best person to run the largest employer in the US, the government. Do we really want to elect someone who will try to turn the country into a religious state, or do we want someone who will get the country back on track?

Vote your conscience after much prayer and study.

Finally, IF you REALLY want to know what a member of the LDS church believes, READ the Book of Mormon, ask a member what they believe, the follow James 1:5-6. You will get your answers if you have an open mind and sincere heart.

Huck and Mitt
I'm a Christian Conservative and I will not vote for either Huck or Mitt. My focus is not on their religion because frankly, that's between them and their God. I vote for Conservatives, and this years crop of candidates only have a few even running. Look at their records, not their religion, and this should be enough for you to vote for the true Conservative, Fred Thompson.

No more RINO's!

Wrong Professor X
The Winds are Changing

To get to the heart of the matter…..

Why the sudden surge for Huckabee in Iowa after anti-Mormon phone calls were made from Utah? Did not Governor Huckabee speak at a Baptist convention held in SLC in 1998? Did he not promote ex-Mormon, Sandra Tanner’s books, thoughts and lies?

Is intolerance and downright castigation of any religion an
acceptable attribute for an aspiring POTUS? Do respectable
Governor's act this way?

Robert Redford, do you have any thoughts on this since you
once were…”All the President’s Men?”

Does a link exist between the 1998 conference/book profits/
phonecalls made - to a family set on coming closer to Christ by denigrating Joseph Smith?

Someone has read the Bible incorrectly if they believe tearing down another Christian faith brings them closer to Christ and His teachings.

Was it payback time for Huckabee? I don’t know the legal repercussions here…but I do feel that honest Christians would far rather walk the walk than subscribe to blasphemous talk.

The Baptist Press writes about LDS beliefs on their
website. There are factual details they fail to
acknowledge - misleading readers by not showing all the biblical references that imperfect Mormons adhere to in their ‘interpretation’ of The Holy Bible.

Scholars love first-hand witnesses and they love sincerity. Their
reputation for examining all data and taking a position of fairness
through instinct and verifiable facts leads them to take a position.
Oh, that the U.S. public and especially those of a religious nature, would do the same. Professor, really!









Face it. Huckabee wins the Nomination!
ROMENY has run out of gas. He has been the worst investment money could buy. His persecution complex make him so defensive that he cracks under pressure. BOTH Romney's and Giuliani's flop flip past makes them a liability and not an asset for republicans 2008.

Mike Huckabee is presidential material and is alone able to defeat Hillary & Obama. I am now convinced that those wealthier donors to Romney's, Giuliani’s, and Thompson's campaign have wasted their money and if they continue, are wasting their hard earned money on candidates who do not have voter appeal or substance. As a member of the younger generation, I will tell you point blank, Romney, Giuliani, and Thompson DO NOT connect with us.

http://evolutionfacts.townhall.com/

Corrected heading
Oops! The heading should read--"Huckabee has little TO offer".

Oh, well. I hope you get the point...

Mitt is my first choice, obviously. Would love to see a Romney/Guiliani ticket. Others probably wouldn't be bad but have no chance of making it.

Huckabee, however, would be useless, an accident waiting to happen. Thank goodness that most Americans know this is an election for PRESIDENT--not PREACHER--of the United States.

I don't even think Huckabee would be a good preacher of the United States. He's too divisive.

Huckabee has little offer
Huckabee graduated from some podunk college with so-so grades, took one year of seminary before dropping out. As governor in Arkansas, he was a failure. Taxes went up by 65% during the years he was in office. He pardoned 1,033 criminals including 12 murderers. He had 16 ethics violations filed against him. He tried to take $70,000 worth of furnishings with him when he left the governor's mansion. He wanted to give in-state tuition to illegals because it was the "Christian" thing to do. (No, it was the "stupid" thing to do.) He has no foreign policy experience. He just has learned to speak well after being a minister for 12 years and in government for 10 years. That's all it takes to become president--being an amiable, witty speaker?

Huckabee can't brag about his experience or actions in office, so he makes snarky comments about Romney's religion. He can't fault Romney the upstanding citizen, family man, governor or business standout, so he strikes a low blow that has nothing to do with how Romney would do in office. (Side note: TV's Jim Kramer says Romney is the best businessman in America--great YouTube video out there. We don't want him running our economy? Are we stupid?!)

Religion is a private matter. What kind of citizen do our spiritual convictions make us? That's what matters. Romney's LDS faith has made him a stand-up guy, and his brains, values, and work ethic have made him an unbelievably successful, decent man.

What is there not to like? We need this guy badly and particularly so at this time. To select an inferior candidate because they share our religious beliefs is retarded. I hope we're better than that, smarter than that. If not, we may well end up with Hillary or Obama, the anti-American Socialists, either of whom will be a DISASTER.

Wake up, people! This election is IMPORTANT!

Romney is America's best hope
The Bible says that by their fruits ye shall know them. Obviously, Romney is a good Christian. Just look at his life. A solid citizen, upstanding and stable, happy family, still married to his high school sweetheart.

Romney has WAY more experience successfully running things than any candidate in the race from either party. He is BRILLIANT! He graduated number one in his class at BYU, went to Harvard and got a law degree and a master's in business administration AT THE SAME TIME. He was in the top 5% of his MBA class and top 30% of his law class. He was EXTREMELY successful in business turning around failing companies, saved the SLC Olympics from scandal and bankrupcy and made them both profitable and very successful. Romney has worked in 20 countries and has an extremely bright, analytical mind.

He did great as a governor in MA, as well. Massachusetts was three billion dollars in the red when he was elected and four years later when he left, they were a billion in the black. He did not raise taxes. He stood up for traditional marriage, against giving illegals special privileges like in-state tuition and driver's licenses, and he vetoed all pro-abortion legislation. He did not pardon any convicted criminals. He looked over cases to see if there appeared to be any judicial misconduct, and not finding any, let the decision of the judge and juries stand. He worked well with the Democrat controlled legislature while there.

Romney is just plain superlative. Not voting for a winner like he is because you have a different understanding of scripture is short-sighted in the extreme. Romney would do no end of good for the nation and the world.

Plucking words out of context
Cherry-picking words out of context is the common tool of the left-leaning press.

We as conservatives ought not duplicate this practice.

Clearly, Huckabee was being prodded to say something provocative about Mormonism in a lengthy interview.

He asks one question and that becomes the story.

The real question is, why isn't anyone taking a closer look at Mormon theology, or is there really a planet just beyond Pluto?

Hugh, do you really believe this?
Look I am not a Huckabee supporter, but this vitriolic column is disingenuous. To call this conspiracy that Hugh raises a straw man is insulting to those inanimate hay-beings.

Hugh, no one is making Mormonism an issue except for you and Mitt. Some in this forum seem to separate Mitt from your actions and would say that you are acting independently. Based on your radio show lately, I am not buying that reasoning.

Hugh, I am concerned that your show is violating FEC rules with your incessant Romney discussion. Why don't you drop the "Morning glory, evening grace" phrase in favor of interspersing the soundover "I'm Mitt Romney and I approve of this message."

scott
not convinced on the purpose of Hucks comments are you?

Here is some more PURE SPECULATION for ya...

In 1998 the Baptists held of convention of faith in Salt Lake City.

They proceded to hand out ANTI-MORMON lit. to all throughout the city and had many speakers discuss the anti-mormon books that were available to everyone.

Can YOU take a wild guess as to who the keynote speaker was? Cmon man use your PURE SPECUALTION to come up with a WILD guess...

If you said HUCKABEE then you are one PROPHETIC dude.
NOW,,,, tie this in with Hucks comment about not knowing much about the mormon church and all....

Yea,,, pure speculation.

As to others like HUCKABEE who won't vote for a mormon. Besides talentscout, sarah, etc on this blog,, that answer is best left to HUCKABEE who OBVIOUSLY thinks there are enough of them out there to make a difference.
Enough for him to use it....

Don't know if that speaks more tellingly for HUCK or the evangelical community he thinks he knows?

How many feel the same way about mormons as the HUCKSTER is pure speculation. Huck using it and believing it will benefit his campaign is NOT.

Part 2: C'mon!
Back to the subject at hand, this whole discussion is really besides the point. It's an attempt by Hugh & Romney's side to explain away Huckabee's surge in the polls as a form of bigotry against Romney because he's a mormon, and it's nowhere near as reprehensible a political ploy as Hugh & Co.'s constant smear campaign against Huckabee to actually misrepresent him and take his words out of context again and again.

Even if Huckabee had intentionally smeared the Mormon faith with his comment which he obviously did not - it would be rather petty compared to Hugh's constant lying about Huckabee and misrepresenting his record. Hugh fancies himself an influential political observer and commentator, and yet the best he can do for his guy Mitt is to cry foul and accuse evangelicals and social conservatives of religious bigotry and keep putting straw-men up and then knock them down? C'mon! A couple years ago I'd have thought you could do much better - even as a strategist, but I guess your pretty intent on showing your audience your true colors, which look to be much more green than red. And I don't mean green as in earth friendly either.

Wake up Hugh!
To Christians, LDS theology seems weird. Likewise Christian theology may seem weird to LDS members, so?? I find it telling that Huckabee took the initiative to apologize to Romney after the Des Moines debate face to face and Romney accepted his apology. Hewitt however, also a professing Christian continues to sit in judgement of Huckabee, saying the line crossed cannot be undone and crying "foul!". Take a cue from fellow Townhall columnist and radio commentator Micheal Medved, who advises conservatives and all American's everyday to say, "I am not a victim!". Hugh only makes himself and Mitt (and by association all LDS members) out to be pathetic as he continues to make Mitt's mormonism an issue while pretending to preach that it shouldn't be an issue. It's like Hugh has stolen the liberal democratic playbook.

Hugh says that social conservatives are starting to question Huckabee because of CFG and Dumond, but it's not true, rank and file Social Conservatives are flocking to Huckabee DESPITE major evangelical and pro-life leaders endorsing Rudy and Mitt and ordinary Americans are joining the cause and driving Huckabee's surge DESPITE attempts by the CFG, the MSM, and Hugh himself to misrepresent his fiscal record and distort the truth about Dumond - which was that Huckabee did not grant him clemency - the parole board did, and that it actually happened under the Tucker (Clinton) watch. Huckabee's support and poll numbers are continuing to rise DESPITE Hugh's insistence that Huckabee is still a 2nd tier candidate - Wake up Hugh - Hello! Huckabee is now in first or second place nationwide in numerous polls, as well as in nearly all the early states, he hasn't peaked he's just getting started!


No greater American Intellectual
Existed among the Founders than Thomas Jefferson.
A man of piercing wit and wisdom.
Love reading this mans words for his insightful truths about the government of men.
But having the very same religious rights he had, I choose for myself who and what I believe.
And Tom Jefferson is not my Prophet or Apostle
Its way above even him, and belongs to Jesus Christ and the chosen men he commissioned to teach the Gospel. Like Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude, Matthew, Luke.
My Prophets are found in the Old Testament, beginning with Daniel and ending with Malachi.

Jefferson is not listed, nor is Smith.
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DJF writes: Thursday, December, 13, 2007 11:59 PM
freetothink
Mormons have been under attack from "Christians" since the Church was founded in 1830. Even before. talentscout quoted Jefferson:

"To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed, but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished anyone to be:"

Would that talentscout and others actually believed what Jefferson so eloquently stated.

It's pretty obvious to me that Jefferson recognized the corruptions of Christianity of his time. Many before him also recognized them. This is an indication to me that Jefferson recognized that established Christianity had departed to a greater or lesser degree from the precepts taught by the Savior.
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ts:
The Gospel of Jesus Christ cannot be corrupted.
Just the men who corrupt themselves can be corrupted, like Joe Smith did.

Yeah and your point is

"To be sure, for those who say Huckabee meant nothing of it - look above ... even atheists can see this for what it was. The fact that Romney could forgive such a low blow (far lower and pitiful than anything flung out there to date) speaks volumes about Romney."

So what? Atheists can't have unreasonable views? The issue I keep coming back to is this no one this website thinks that this issue could possibly ever affect their voting. Yet somehow half the people here think there's this invisible demographic of people who care about Huckabee's comments on a political level.

Since I still haven't got an answer yet I will ask again who are these people who would vote on this?

My apologizes on the dog thing
I didn't read it before I posted my comment on it I just think it's absurd when people bring a candidates kid into politics. I honestly thought based on the link that Huckabee's was some sort of PETA person.

No necessarily Huckabee's fault
Every school of Christian divinity has a course in Cults where the most bizarre extrapolations and innuendos of Mormonism are taught like they were mainstream tenets of the church.

After ministers get their ministerial diploma they often dare not preach the same stuff themselves because deep inside they know it's unfair to their LDS neighbors. Instead they get these snake oil salesmen who travel the country and write anti-mormon books to do it as a fireside or youth night. Come'on, mainstream Christians, you know it's true.

You get all that gobbledy gook hanging around in your mind, at some point you're going to spout it. Like I said, I was going to happen sooner or later.

Of course, that means Huckabee can't think for himself, but at least it doesn't mean he's a complete bigot. Just an intellectual pushover.

Medved asked an interesting question.
If Huck wanted to drag christian conservatives away from Mitt with that comment, why did he make it in a NYT interview, given by an Israeli reporter?

What's far more telling ...
Is that as far as I've heard Mitt frankly forgave him when Huckabee called him with alligator tears (yes, alligator tears - certainly he planned to release this tactic at some point).

Meanwhile Paul Edwards fabricated a lie that Romney is crying "bigotry". Said he: "Governor Romney's strategy for defending against legitimate questions about his Mormon faith is to cry "bigotry"." What a load of baloney.

When has Romney cried bigotry?

Romney has done no such thing.

To be sure, for those who say Huckabee meant nothing of it - look above ... even atheists can see this for what it was. The fact that Romney could forgive such a low blow (far lower and pitiful than anything flung out there to date) speaks volumes about Romney.

Once again....
"Huck made the comment about mormons, jesus, and the devil becuase he is counting on evangelicals to switch thier vote from Mitt the Mormon to Huck the Christian."

Once again who are these people who would cast their vote on this issue? I don't believe they exist in any large numbers and there's no argument you've made to discredit my reasoning except for PURE SPECULATION that Huckabee wouldn't vote for a Mormon

freetothink
Mormons have been under attack from "Christians" since the Church was founded in 1830. Even before. talentscout quoted Jefferson:

"To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed, but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished anyone to be:"

Would that talentscout and others actually believed what Jefferson so eloquently stated.

It's pretty obvious to me that Jefferson recognized the corruptions of Christianity of his time. Many before him also recognized them. This is an indication to me that Jefferson recognized that established Christianity had departed to a greater or lesser degree from the precepts taught by the Savior.

Huck's son abuses dog
thats very troubling to me, if Mike's son is that cruel.

however, I doubt Mike would approve of or, even apologize for, that kind of mean behavior if he actually witessed it.

However, Its natural for parents to not want to believe bad reports about their kids.

Any parent will reserve judgement until faced with overwhelming evidence.

Talisman, I will read the link, thanks for posting it.

.

quoting freetothink
"So Mormons, finally seen how the GOP thinks of you? Walk away and the Dem's win, you have that much power. Did Clinton really hurt you in the 90's? I'll bet little has changed for you.
The Democrat's hate you less then the GOP, get out of the GOP. The real party of hate.
It will get worse, wait and see.

freetothink, I guess you don't remember the first two years of Clinton's first term. I guess you don't remember how sharply he veered to the center when the Republicans took control of Congress in 1994. That, my friend, is why Clinton didn't hurt us. Actually he did hurt us. It's just that the hurt has not yet had a chance to come to fruition. The hurt was the appointment of socialist judges who see nothing wrong with usurping the powers reserved in the Constitution to the Legislative Branch. I'm very concerned about what might happen if these idiots take control of the Supreme Court.

capeconservative
The topic is whether or not a mormon is qualified to hold the presidency according to Huckabee (and many evangelicals).

Hughs point was Huckabee made a low blow by attacking the mormon faith and not mitts character, decisions, political reasons, etc..

That is the topic. You may not like it. You may want it to go away. But Huckabee does not feel a mormon is qualified to be president, because they are a mormon.

Apparently some mormons (and others)seem to have a problem with that. Wonder why?

scott
Huck made the comment about mormons, jesus, and the devil becuase he is counting on evangelicals to switch thier vote from Mitt the Mormon to Huck the Christian.

Thus playing to the basest of the base in the GOP by using religion to discredit another.

Unless you think he said this to get people to vote for Mitt as a mormon,,
Now thats funny.


Let's focus on WINNING IN 2008
Get to the matters that will affect our country's future! The democrats clearly have no proposals to put forth. REPUBLICANS, take note! Get out your messages on the direction you want our country to take in the years ahead. That's all we need to hear - and is much more than the other side is offering (other than the government will take from the "haves" and give to the "have-nots")

Nit-picking each other's personal beliefs is a lose/lose situation...and if it continues, we will simply be feeding the msm what they want! Which is a democrat victory in 2008.

my goodness
how we stray off-topic!

LOL
http://www.utopiarescue.com/oldsite/stop_animal_torture.htm

And bush's kids are completely normal?

Huck's kid is a creep
http://www.utopiarescue.com/oldsite/stop_animal_torture.htm

So mormons are weird
And this is not weird:

1. Eve from Adam's rib
2. Jonah swalled by whale
3. The sun stood still
4. Jesus walks on water
5. jesus is resurrected

Sure all the above are sure things; only the mormons believe in strange things

The issue is whether someone from a religious background
will violate the fundemental rights of citizens


All the stuff about the fairytales of religion are irrelevant. The mormon's mythology is just a another mythology.

Harmless; none of the Christian religions are a threat; somewhat different than the moslem one.

a
I think that arguing about which religion is more bigoted is equivalent to arguing about which brand of bottled water is more wet.

Nice Try Hugh
Your diatribe against Huckabee reminds me of the guy who murdered his parents and then plead for the mercy of the court because he was an orphan!

Your personal attacks on Huckabee on and off the air do not behoove you.

Mike Huckabee made a mistake. He apologized for it and will pay the price if your analysis is right.

However, the tone of your venom is quite disturbing. For a guy who worked to bring Arnold to the governorship the level of perfection you demand of others is difficult to comprehend.

You have a right to your opinion your but use of ad hominems should not be confused with anything resembling a valid argument.

As a Christian, I would suggest very strongly that you read and meditate upon Matthew 7.1. The admonition that you should not judge or you too will be judged, does not mean that you should not criticize Huckabee where you deem him to be wrong. However, it does suggest that your condemnation, and the tone of your personal attacks is a condemnation of yourself.


Jefferson explains it
Swampfox writes: Thursday, December, 13, 2007 10:16 PM
Thomas Jefferson Bible
All this discussion of religion is mind-boggling. Our third president of these United States rewrote the New Testament. Today's evangelicals would have hanged him.
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ts:
He most certainly did not rewrite anything.
Whst he did was select the Words of Jesus Christ from what was already written.
Saying he wanted to focus on just what Jesus had to say.
Hardly heresy.
His personal beliefs aside is not the issue, as we all have our own set of ideas don't we.
Any church has members who do not see everything alike, and things they do.
Jefferson was just pointing out what He wanted to be talked about as what was important, to himself.


Here is a link to the Jefferson Bible

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
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Jefferson tells us
Letter To Dr. Benjamin Rush.
Washington, April 21, 1803.

DEAR SIR,
In some of the delightful conversations with you in the evenings of 1798-99, and which served as an anodyne to the afflictions of the crisis through which our country was then laboring, the Christian religion was sometimes our topic; and I then promised you that one day or other I would give you my views of it. They are the result of a life of inquiry and reflection, and very different from that anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed, but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished anyone to be:
http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/jeffbsyl.html

So....
"my comments are not meant to be snide.

considering the comments from HUCKABEE and assuming he himself was not running for president.

Then my SERIOUS answer about a person of prominence not voting for a mormon is HUCKABEE,,,

in all seriousness"

So what you're saying is that because Mike Huckabee asked whether or not Mormons believe Jesus and Satan were brothers that means that Mike Huckabee would not vote for a Mormon?

But Jefferson Didn't Lie About It
John Adams spent many a year trying to convert Jefferson. The clear difference between Mitt and Jefferson is that Jefferson didn't try to deceive anyone about his beliefs.

Mitt's been stating and releasing statements pretending that his faith is essentially the same as Evangelical Christianity. Jefferson was never deceptive about his beliefs.

Big difference.

Thank you sir!
Svenska writes: 9:38 PM
talent scout
You are a voice of reason...a gentleman and a scholar.
------ts:
Now I had best not say anything else forever so this can be proven wrong.

Honestly, I do care about people, and certainly do not hate anyone let alone Mormons.
Who individually are among the nicest people I have dealt with, and generous.

I just have problems with their teaching as being from a man I know is a false prophet, Joe Smith.

Missing a big point
"To me, the essential faith tenent is belief in Jesus Christ. Nothing else really matters, and all the extraneous stuff is unimportant. For example, I could care less what Mormons believe about Joseph Smith. In reality, his involvement is inconsequential. If they feel that spiritual underwear helps to ward off demons, so be it. To them it could possibly represent the armor of God! Who's to say they are wrong?"

They are wrong if they say that Jesus is something he's not. The Doctrine of the Trinity is one of the key Christian doctrines: that God is one being in three persons, those persons being the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This doctrine stems from Jesus' statements about himself, claiming qualities for himself and the Spirit those that only God can rightfully claim.

Mormons reject the Trinity, so they really aren't Christians. On the flip side, Mormons claim that all the nominally Christian non-Mormon religions really aren't Christian; Joseph Smith said the angel Moroni told him all the churches had fallen into apostasy. If Romney had guts, he'd give this speech: "They say we're not Christians, we say they're not Christians. But we're not running to the government to settle our differences. And we're not resorting to violence, either; there was violence a century ago, with fault coming from all sides, but that is a thing of the past. When the Baptists had their annual convention in Salt Lake City in 1998, nobody was raining mortars on the LDS temple, and nobody was brandishing placard reading, "Behead those who insult Joseph Smith." We live out what it means to be an American - arguing passionately but peacefully about the things important to us."

Libertybob-What a flake!
Well, bob you've had several hours to define Isiah 44:6 & 8, and Revelation 22:18 & 19, but you have made it very obvious to me you aren't capable of doing so. The reason you have chosen to bash me personally is because you are exactly like the completely moronic ilk of your faith. You resort to name calling, rhetoric put-downs and other nonsense that those who get caught in a lie do by trying to smooth talk your way out of it. I gave you exactly what you asked for. My right to publish biblical interpretation comes straight out of the Bible and I gave you Scripture to back it up. As a born again Christian who knows the Lord Jesus and follows his word as best I can I know the truth and you don't. Period. You can gloss it over all you want, but you and I aren't even on the same page. We have absolutely nothing in common. If you are a Mormon, then you aren't a Christian. Period. You can't believe a lie and the truth and try to make one fit the other which is what all your so-called prophets have ever done. They are always trying to make the bible fit your garbage book of mormon, peril of great price, and doctrine and rules playbook. Does it sound like I'm making fun of them? Yes I am because they are what they are: Works of Fiction by Delusional Perverts. If anyone deserves to be ignored it is you. What's it like being brain-washed? do you zombie out when you get smacked in the face with real truth? Seems like it. I'm done with you until you can answer me those verses. But we both know that ain't ever gonna happen. Mormon, Moron, Moroni, Macaroni-what doesn't belong? Macaroni-it has substance!

Hugh's Low Blow
For some bizarre reason that has to be more than just support for a book, Hugh just refuses to give this man a fair shake. And now he goes to the extreme of misrepresenting the facts of the story. This is so far below a man of your stature brother.

Thomas Jefferson Bible
All this discussion of religion is mind-boggling. Our third president of these United States rewrote the New Testament. Today's evangelicals would have hanged him.

Here is a link to the Jefferson Bible

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

See, this is not talking of a subject
will writes: 9:40 PM
talent scout
You know as well as everybody else that nasty evangelicals put down muslims & atheists & yes, mormons too. All you have to do is take a look at some of the Romney blogs & watch the evangelical crazies come out of the woodwork.

In truth, mormons are much less likely to "attack" christians than vice-versa (christians are more likely to attack ANYBODY that contests their dogmatic "good book" - a talent forged during the crusades & inquisitions no doubt!) . Evangelicals like to fancy themselves pure as the driven snow.
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ts:
This is filled with attitude
Full of fight
Now for anyone to respond, he is forced to defend against your attack instead of talking about any certain issue.

I can only speak for myself, no one else.
Try it with me alone, one on one.
Cause I have a totally different view of the Crusades, atheists, etc and have as much a right to my views as you do yours.
And I can do it without all the attitude that is in your post.
(I can do it with attitude also)

I could take the same attitude you wrote this in and send it right back at you.
And make all sorts of statements you would find offensive.
But to talk with the Mormons about Smiths vision, teaching,book of Mormon, and what it created is only saying the facts.
And I do it without the attitude, but solid reasoning in why Smith is a false prophet.
Based in what the Bible itself teaches
Nor use any accusations at the poster who disagrees with me.
I have given it back, but not worse than sent to make a point that attitude can fly both ways.

Huckabee vs. Mormons
This was an excellent column. It should not be necessary to talk about another's religious beliefs to discredit him. The issue is: what ARE those beliefs, and would they stand in the way of the discriminating governance of our wonderful country. What really matters is the community of interests of our diverse citizenry. Those who are not in sync are, by definition, the minority. They lose, knowing that they don't resort to bombings and other terrorist tactics to accomplish their ends. If they can persuade, by the power of their logic, a majority of the people to their views, then the ballot will vindicate them. Until then, they may maintain a respectful silence, and the majority should not quail at putting them in their place, BY WHATEVER MEANS, if they resort to other than intellectual persuasion.

Crossing the line???
Ordinarily, you often make some sense.

However, your liberal sub-conscious apparently has gone conscious.

No line has been crossed. No religion has been attacked.

"...millions of evangelicals...want no part of his appeal to 'vote against the Mormon.'"??

Mormonism is a cult not a religion based on one simple fact. When their book conflicts with the Bible, their book takes precedent.

Therefore, they believe that they themselves may become God.

Finally Christianity itself is not a religion either.

It's a relationship with the one who created you and me and has provided a way back from the first sin committed by our original parents that all of us have inherited.

Just because you don't agree with Gov.Huckabee doesn't mean he didn't tell the truth.

The Truth always offends those who neither know it or are in pursuit of it.

Once someone has a true relationship with Christ he will recognize it.

If Huckabee is "eroding his appeal to social conservatives..."
so much the better.

They're the ones who cost the true conservatives the last Congressional election anyway.


will
I guess I would be considered an "evangelical", as I am a follower of Christ...I don't fancy myself as pure as the driven snow. I actually view myself as a corruptable human being, but I know that I am forgiven for that, so I try not be a corrupt human.

I'm sorry that so many of us have led you to believe that we all behave badly...or that you may have felt judged by us.

I hope that you meet at least one evangelical that changes that perception you have of us.

Mormon Faith
To me, the essential faith tenent is belief in Jesus Christ. Nothing else really matters, and all the extraneous stuff is unimportant. For example, I could care less what Mormons believe about Joseph Smith. In reality, his involvement is inconsequential. If they feel that spiritual underwear helps to ward off demons, so be it. To them it could possibly represent the armor of God! Who's to say they are wrong?

Again, it all comes down to belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God.

talent scout
You know as well as everybody else that nasty evangelicals put down muslims & atheists & yes, mormons too. All you have to do is take a look at some of the Romney blogs & watch the evangelical crazies come out of the woodwork.

In truth, mormons are much less likely to "attack" christians than vice-versa (christians are more likely to attack ANYBODY that contests their dogmatic "good book" - a talent forged during the crusades & inquisitions no doubt!) . Evangelicals like to fancy themselves pure as the driven snow.

talent scout
You are a voice of reason...a gentleman and a scholar.


They are sacrilegious using God for Votes
>justpaul writes: Thursday 8:41 AM
>So are they half-brothers?
>Both Jesus and Lucifer were created by God, so >if they aren't brothers, what are they?

I don't know OR CARE what Mormons think Jesus is. Jesus to me is Son of God and my Savior, who is in Heaven at the right hand of God the Father. Jesus died on the cross for me and raised from the dead. Jesus lived the perfect life as Man & God; he gave his life for our souls. Mormons? I'm not embarrassed to say what I believe, as fanciful as you or anyone might think it is.

I'm a libertarian, Gov should stay out of religion, bed rooms, our bodies and the morals business. Mitt and Huckabee WANT to make religion an ISSUE, so they darn well can answer about their religious beliefs; they ARE MAKING IT AN ISSUE.

No we should not have religion test for office. However the GOP loves to pull the Jesus card and say HOW THEY ARE THE PARTY OF GOD and MORALS. Republicans stole religion for politics. That is sacrilegious.

LETS GET THE MORMON SECRET RITES OUT. Lets FIND OUT WHATS BEHIND THE FANCY UNDERWEAR? World religions by size:

Christian 33%
Muslim 21%
Non Religious 16%
Hinduism 14%
Primal-Indigenous 6%
Chinese 6%
Buddhist 6%
Sikhism 0.36%
Judaism 0.26%
All Other??
(total a little over 100% due to rounding)

US 1.3% Mormon, a little less than Jews in the US. However world wide Jews are 3 times Mormons.

If Mormons are secretive and HIDE their beliefs. The LDS church should show us there religion. Like Scientology they do secret stuff, secret rites and ceremonies going back to Freemasons and Paganism.

Mitt wants to MAKE religion a centerpiece but does not want his religion examined. What are they hiding? Huckabee is no better. They and the GOP bring it on themselves.

talent scout
You are a voice of reason...a gentleman and a scholar.


Politics and Religion
Whether we like to admit it or not, religion does have an impact in politics, especially during presidential elections. In my opinion, one's faith should transcend every aspect of life. In other words, it doesn't stop at the door of the voting booth. Likewise, why should it stop at the doorway of the Oval Office? I am not ashamed to say that I support candidates who share my Christian values.

Secularists tremble at the thought of a president consulting God through prayer. However, they have never experienced, and thus don't understand the power of the Holy Spirit. I have witnessed the grace of God firsthand, therefore, why would I not want the president to share the same blessings? In fact, it wouldn't hurt if that person were a prayer warrior as well!

I have not yet decided which Republican presidential candidate to support. However, I will say that Romney's speach last week made an impression. The key was his statement of faith in Jesus Christ. To be quite honest, I did not know this to be true of Mormonism. Granted, some of their beliefs and rituals seem rather bizarre in nature. However, who's to say that they are any more strange then other mainstream Christian denominations.

Regardless of what some would like to believe, seperation of church and state is not all-inclusive. Likewise, this nation was founded on Christian principles. It is time to stop being ashamed of our heritage, or our faith.

missourimule
I couldn't agree more.

However, you can't get away from the fact that candidates have to market themselves to groups. I am saying that with a bit of disdain. It is the agents of the market who want to turn it into a religious war...for the glory of a hot story and ratings. It's good distraction from what really matters (which is really boring stuff...and doesn't sell very well).

If only times were more simple.

Controversies
barret writes: 8:27 PM
Some people think these beliefs are wierd
1. The rapture (wheres that word as described in the bible)people leaving their clothes on the ground and asending to God.
2. God and Jesus are the same person. so they talk to each other? Jesus prays to Himself? He sits on his own right hand? Did God die when Christ died?
3. The Bible is perfect and yet there are a million translations and versions.
4. Baptists used to not be able to dance
5. Men must be submisive to their husbands.
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ts:
Certainly is true (outside of how you worded your list) that Christian Doctrine is very controversial to millions of people.


But I have never once attacked an individual for asking questions about why Christians believe as they do.
Like all this is controversial too.
Creation
Red Sea
Law of Moses
Jonah and the Whale
Jesus Christ Himself
Resurrection
Miracles
And many other things.
I glady will talk about any of them, and be thankful for an opportunity to explain why i believe them with full and honest reasoning.

No name calling

barret
1 - Weird to you, hope for some
2 - I guess you will have to answer to a "skitzo" when your time is up...yikes!
3 - You have free will to believe what you want.
4 - The Bible doesn't teach that we should not dance...nor does it tell us not to drink (just not to get drunk)...Christ fulfills the doctrines of the Bible, and He came to serve rather than to be served, so I guess that would make it a pretty major lesson/message for His followers. Yes?

5 - Huckabee believes that we need to dominate and lord over our wives? NOT! Huckabee believes that the wife should submit to the leadership of the husband, and that the husband should lead by serving his family, and seeking what is best for his family. Is there a problem with that? Seriously, you are going to get hung up on the word "submit", and forget about the rest of the message, which, ultimately, is more important than the submission to leadership? If you want to discuss that doctrine, you must discuss the entire portion of it.

Huckabee DESERVES to be TOAST
PEOPLE, don't you realize that Religion is not to play a part in electing the President? Between the media stoking the fires, and the Christian conservatives who want to turn this into a Religious war, we forget that we're trying to elect a President here -- not the Head of the National Christian Church. It didn't matter when Kennedy was running - it wouldn't matter if Lieberman was running. We Republicans are committing political suicide at a time when the Democrats are trying to hand us a victory we don't deserve.

fellowAmerican
You got it wrong on both counts.

1. Yes, we should have allowed Suddam Hussein to remain in power. The world is full of crazy dictators (Achmadinejad, Jong-Il, Putin, Musharrif, Chavez, etc etc etc....) & we cannot go around pre-empitively invading countries with dictators we happen not to like.

2. Federal Marriage Amendment: If you don't trust the states to figure it out for themselves & let them decide who gets married (either by state courts or citizens voting at the polls) then you do not understand the concept of federalism.

Your post indicates you have a penchant for authoritarianism. You seem to devalue individual freedom. And stop treating America like she's a bulldozer, forcably promoting democracy on countries that don't even appreciate democratic principles. Those trillions of dollars we wasted should have been spent right HERE. You may want to flush your paycheck down the toilet, but please don't decide that America is going to throw additional trillions of dollars to the wind setting up pipe-dream democracies in the freaking middle east. The jig is up.

Christian apologetics=...hate speech!
Criminalizing such an off-handed question is looking awfully aggressive, rude, and snarling to the millions of Christians who have taken time to study their faith and compare it with others, and have concluded that the Mormon Jesus is ontologically distinct from the Jesus of the Bible. Mike Huckabee did not originate this idea, and millions agree with it.

What are we, chopped liver? Unfit to run for office? Bigots? Unfit to vote?

I have never seen the Mormon card being played so heavy-handedly as it is now. Stunning.


Sorry your wrong
Let me set you straight! Your sounding like a liberal when you say that mormons are deceptive. Bush Lied children died. Known fact that protestants say that they come from the catholic church initially. If the Catholic church was wrong whow can something good come from something false?
If being christian means demeaning another religion then I guess Im not.
1.Still wierd
2. I guess God is skitzo then? if he talks to himself?
3. If the message is the same why are there so many religions?
4. Christ only is part of the bible. There is a lot of doctrine that he does not give.
5. Well baptists including Huckabee have agreed to this

I just knew this was going
to happen...one way or another. The msm was just "itching" to get a soundbite...and they have.

Never mind what disgusting illegal things the democrats have done such as Sandy Burger STEALING government documents, it's all about entrapment of any Republican they can find.

I wish we could stick to the issues that are of GREAT importance to our country such as taxes, removing illegals from the dole and getting them out of our country and just leave personal beliefs out of the picture. The invasion of privacy that seems to be "the way" to conduct political business since the Clinton's took office is WRONG WRONG WRONG!

And I don't think I am alone in these beliefs. Dirty politics does NOT create an atmosphere of trust or respect.

As RR used to say, one is not supposed to say bad things about a fellow Republican. Let's remember just who it is we are trying to beat come 2008! Our country's future is at stake here! The makeup of the Supreme Court - the elections to the House & Senate - and of course, the White House race - ALL are so very important.

Why can't we keep a proper perspective about this whole matter and not fall into the traps the msm is laying out???? They just love it when they capture a "gotcha" moment!


fellowamerican
I did gleen from your post that you would support Duncan Hunter over the others. It is too bad that such a good man has been so overlooked. I like him too.

I do not, however, like Ron Paul...he has a decent stance on individual freedom, but that is about the extent that I stand in agreement with him about. I just couldn't let so many compliments of him go unchecked.

You sound like a good guy...just don't don't give Ron Paul too much credit.

barret
Easy fella...

It is a known fact that Mormons cloak their message to make themselves sound like any other Christian denomination...the fact is, that their belief system is not technically "Christian"...that is generally what the literature deals with.

But for the sake of argument...let's set you straight.

1 - Technically, only our souls will be raptured, so our bodies and clothing will remain (you are welcome to my clothes, but I doubt we are the same size)

2 - Technically, God is 3 persons, and they do commune with one another, and yes God (the Son) did die on a cross (physically speaking) to make a final sacrifice for sin (for those who accept it)

3 - There are many translations of the Bible, and the message remains the same...otherwise it wouldn't be a Bible.

4 - I'm not a Baptist, but I hear that some of them are not perfect and can tend to be "legalistic" in order to try to be perfect (that is a problem), but it doesn't really change much about Christ's message

5 - I think you meant to say "women"...but anyway, the idea is that men are to be the head of the family and that women are to follow their lead...we are told to lead by serving and to consider others better than ourselves...unfortunately, men are corrupt and some forget about the serving part...that's dominating and abusive, and that is wrong (Christians would call it sin).


Sorry for the long post, but I just wanted to respond to your post.

Svenska
I'm not endorsing Ron Paul. I hope you read the whole comment I posted. I do support Duncan Hunter. I was simply commenting on the fact that as I have looked into Paul's candidacy, I have been struck with how genuine he seems and how unafraid he is to say exactly what he really thinks.

can always depend
on hughs articles creating lots of love and warmth between the bloggers!heh heh heh
as for mormons not discussing anything of substance...what's the use? i mentioned that j. smith..predicted the civil war way before it happened and exactly where it would start..s. carolina! and all i got was a ohhh thats not important type of answer..a false prophet call it right on the money..many years before..and it is not important! talk about dodging issues!
dna, so ms. ginsberg has cancer? didnt like her as a justice...but iam not glad to hear that she has cancer!
hey "tugboat"(talent scout) how's your family and your self? take care. see ya in about a week
with the" GOP OLYMPICS"...ELVIS

fellowamerican
The owner of "the bunny ranch" also endorses Ron Paul. How can you argue with that? He really must be our guy! He gets the support from a guy who makes a living on selling womens' bodies to sexually weak men!

I'm pretty sure that Ron Paul wants to do away with every gov't agency that has tabs on his unusual support base...which, allegedly, includes White Supremist groups.

Ron Paul for President! Did I just hear a lead balloon drop?

Are you for Sure?
Svenska what is anti-Mormon literature then? You know what I think some people spend more time on other peoples faith than there own. When in the Bible did Jesus spend time teaching others how to deal with other religions? The real reason is that mormons are the fastest growing religion in the World and Your religion is scared so they have to stop what they can. Some people think these beliefs are wierd
1. The rapture (wheres that word as described in the bible)people leaving their clothes on the ground and asending to God.
2. God and Jesus are the same person. so they talk to each other? Jesus prays to Himself? He sits on his own right hand? Did God die when Christ died?
3. The Bible is perfect and yet there are a million translations and versions.
4. Baptists used to not be able to dance
5. Men must be submisive to their husbands

We all have wierd beleifs and that is fine. Its part of what makes america great. If a religion needs to spend more time bshing other religions than attempting to teach their people how to become better people I think there is a lot to be said.

Will
Will,

Medved loves Huck. If you listen to his show at all, he stops just short of endorsing him personally...which has yet to do for any candidate.

Brett, regarding trust, what about RP?
Can we trust them? That's a good question.

Speaking of honesty, even though I can't agree with Ron Paul that we should have allowed Saddam Hussein and sons to remain in power, and even though I can't agree with Ron Paul that we don't need a Federal Marriage Amendment, I have to say that (I never thought I'd come to this conclusion) I think he is probably the most forthright, trustworthy politician I have seen in a long time. I used to think he was a nut, but I have read enough and seen enough of him to think that, well, he's an HONEST politician.

I think Hunter and Tancredo are also brutally honest. Unfortunately, that quality doesn't seem to get them very far in a national campaign.

I is an honest question and deserves
an answer Hugh

# Devil, the

1. The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus "in the morning of pre-existence," (Mormon Doctrine, page 192.)
2. Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.)

Taken from a Mormom website.

Does the truth hurt? Mormons believe a lot of silly stuff and it all started with Joe Smith. They are not Christian and when pressed usually just stop talking.

Barret
Just how is that revelation ground breaking?

It is common in most denominations to pass out literature that prepares one for an encounter with a Mormon on a mission. Is that anti-mormon? I call it "mormon awareness".

I am an atheist & do not like any of
god myths out there.... including islam & judaism, christianity & scientology, mormonism, etc etc etc. I tend to side with Christopher Hitchens that religion "poisons everything", and since none of us have any real proof of god(s) or an afterlife, we should stop fighting holy wars about them.

That said, Mike Huckabee totally "worked" Romney's religion for the purpose of casting suspicion & inciting latent bigotry. Not so subtly to outsiders. Huckabee saw that Romney was getting a fair portion of the "famed" evangelical vote (their influence is waning, thank one of the many sky-gods!) & he's been throwing subtle chunks of red meat to his godly supporters, just the same way people do with anti-muslim rhetoric.

What I also find disingenuous is that both Hugh Hewitt & Michael Medved both dislike Huckabee. I get bored at work & listen to a portion of their shows often. But now, since he is at the top of some serious polls, Hewitt & Medved don't come straight out anymore & just say they dislike Huckabee (Medved sort of does). They focus on stories that potentially hurt Huckabee while completely ignoring, and giving a pass to, stories that would hurt Romney or Giuliani.

I think the bottom line is that the conservative hierarchy has decided that Huckabee will not win in a general election against ANY of the potential democratic nominees (Obama, Hillary & especially Edwards), so they are subtly swift-boating him on many fronts while "not speaking ill" of other republican nominees. It will be really interesting to see what happens if Huckabee actually wins Iowa....My guess is the conservative talk-show circuit tries to sink Huckabee more overtly ASAP. They don't want him representing.

Thank you Brett
Brett writes: 7:44 PM
talent scout is honest and decent
I have read 100's of your posts and have found you to be an honest and decent in your posts.

Mormons have attacked and acted like Leftwingers constantly calling you names and yet you have not returned the offense. I am amazed at your patience.

My Scottish warrior blood gets the better of me some times.
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ts:
For saying it, what I do know is the truth, cause its ME they attack and never want anyone to talk about what their own church teaches.
If they really believe in it all, seems logical they would be HAPPY to talk about it.
Instead we get personal attacks and name calling from everyone but a hand full of them.

By the way
I am also of Scottish Ancestry, dad's side.
Johnstone's
My mother is Cherokee mostly.

I have waited for any Mormon to show he really believes what his church teaches to talk about it and answer questions honestly without their personal attacks and name calling.

Haven't seen it yet in 40 years and living among them for a lot of that time.
They do not tolerate anyone questioning them



If we could trust Mitt or Mike
Both Mitt and Mike are NOW talking tough on illegal immigration.

If only we could trust them when they get in office and the MSM howls against them.

Will them bend to the MSM then?????

Mitt is just as weak on immigration
Mitt and Mike both have favored legalization (rewarding) of illegal immigrants.

Sorry both have been wrong on illegal immigration.

Only Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo are strong on this issue (have not flip flopped).

Mormons are both naughty and nice
All my relatives on my wife's side are Mormons.
Some are nice and some are naughty.
The naughty ones have committed Adultery and were involved in organized crime while they were active in the LDS Church.

So according to the post above Mormonism must create both good and bad people.

Brett
Huck is weak on illegal immigration. BIG problem in my book!

In addition, in terms of their bios, I think Romney's career--from his college success to his business success to his salvaging the SLC Olympics--is more impressive.

talent scout is honest and decent
I have read 100's of your posts and have found you to be an honest and decent in your posts.

Mormons have attacked and acted like Leftwingers constantly calling you names and yet you have not returned the offense. I am amazed at your patience.

My Scottish warrior blood gets the better of me some times.

Baptist Press Slams Mormons
The Baptist Press which was started by the Southern Baptist Convention is Slamming Mitt Romney and his Mormonism http://www.baptistpress.org/BPCollectionNews.asp?ID=120

Remember Huckabee spoke at the 1998 convention in SLC for the southern baptists convention. Suring his speech anti mormon lit was being passed out.

Brett
I believe Mike Huckabee to be a good man. He is a fair man. He is a man of deep wisdom and common sense (something not common in modern politics). I am voting for him for those reasons.

His record in Arkansas has shown that he can unify people (something uncommon is modern politics).

Anyone who listens to him and researches his record will see that he is same person throughout the passage of time (something uncommon in modern politics).

He's run an honest, positive, and relatively successful campaign...on literally no money to speak of (something uncommon in modern politics).

Huck is someone uncommon in modern politics.

fellowAmerican - why Mitt and not Mike?
I don't trust Mitt or Mike or Rudy or McCain.

What is better about Mitt than Mike?

Mormons are good people
What this entire debate about whether and how religion--and Mormonism in particular--should be factored into our vote is missing the point. COMPLETELY.

It's totally useless to argue that a religion not be looked at in deciding who to side with--however right that proposition might be. It WILL be looked at.

The real question to ask is HOW DO MORMONS PERFORM IN OFFICE? That has to be the best indicator of how the religion will affect a presidency and more importantly the constituency. Do these Mormons abuse their power in some special Mormon way? No, they are valuable members of government at every level. There's no reason to believe that a Mormon, as such, is going to become some kind of political monster.

But this has to be obvious. So, what's to explain the sudden national madness about Mormons? They say that yelling bigotry is making bigots out of Mormons now. But I don't know. It seems like the real concern is that more people will respect the religion.

Think about how stupid this is. "I know a lot of Mormons and they are decent people. I know this Mormon and he is a good guy, and I know that one and she's a lovely person, and I don't know any bad Mormons come to think of it. BUT I KNOW MORMONISM IS EVIL!!!!" To concentrate on absurd, twisted notions about the faith, floating around on the internnet, spread by the trashier elements of our culture, rather to look at the actual fruit of the tree shows the true agenda.

You think Mormons were racist? Alright. I disagree, but lets assume it. Are they now? Do they pursue a course of oppressing minorites? I think America was racist, but I won't hold you all accountable.

You think Joseph Smith was a liar (and every other bad thing)? Ok, again lets assume it for argument. And yet those living by the doctrines and philosophies embodied in his religion are decent, honest, upstanding people, who, nothwithstanding their faults, try as hard as anyone to be good. There's no getting around that.

Brett
I believe Mike Huckabee to be a good man. He is a fair man. He is a man of deep wisdom and common sense (something not common in modern politics). I am voting for him for those reasons.

His record in Arkansas has shown that he can unify people (something uncommon is modern politics).

Anyone who listens to him and researches his record will see that he is same person throughout the passage of time (something uncommon in modern politics).

He's run an honest, positive, and relatively successful campaign...on literally no money to speak of (something uncommon in modern politics).

Huck is someone uncommon in modern politics.

Thanks, I am most grateful
Libertybob writes: 5:19 PM

Scout:

I have seen enough of your postings to know that you have no interest in civil discourse. So I will simply ignore you.
For those who wonder, check frank pastore's past articles on Mormons from a few months ago. With over 1000+ postings, scout's record as biased is clear.
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To not need to deal with the Mormon attitude filled with accusations and never substance of issues.

Bring up Smiths criminal past and you people just cannot deal with it honestly.
Bring up Smiths 1st vision and you people canot deal with it honestly.
Bring up any of the multiple unbiblical doctrines the Mormons teach, such as baptism for the dead, and all one can expect is a personal attack and name calling from all you "saints".

Like this thread here.
Your own church should be saying we want this talked about by everyone if you were not so ashamed of it as you obviously are.

No one would have known what Huck said without the gossip loving "press" and writers like Hugh Hewitt.

Brett
Hi, Brett.

I haven't seen your name for a while. I continue to support Duncan Hunter. To me he is exactly the kind of leader this country needs right now. It's frustrating trying to get anybody to take notice of him though. I keep hoping he has some big breakthrough.

You mentioned Fred Thompson. His campaign has been similarly lackluster and disappointing, although I loved his refusal to participate in the silliness of the "raise your hand if" nonsense of the most recent debate.

Romney is by no means ideal, but I'll support him if he's the nominee. I'd have a hard time supporting Huckabee or Giuliani. I didn't always feel that way about Huck, but the more I hear about him the less impressed I am.

Newsweek Cover Boy
You can tell exactly who this rag likes and dislikes by how they photograph the subject. If they like Huckabee - it's not because of his politics.


Satan was cast out of the family
Lucifer (Satan) was cast out of God's family (permanently excommunicated) when he rebelled and caused a war in heaven prior to the foundation of this world. Thus he is no longer the brother of any of God's children. By the way, Lucifer was not destined for that sinister role any more than any of us are destined for good or evil. In other words, God didn't create him to do evil. He exercised his free will to defy God and thus he became the father of all lies and he can never be redeemed, having committed unpardonable sin. That's why his story is so tragic and such a warning to all of us. Any of us can become possessed of pride and defiance toward God.






There is a middle ground
True Pro-Life Conservatives (both Mormons and Christians) need to remember that this election in Nov 2008 will elect a President who come appoint 2 to 3 Supreme Court justices.

We need to FOCUS on that not on our differences.
Mitt is weak on his pro-life record.
Mike is strong on his pro-life record.
Both are weak on the illegal amnesty record.
Both are weak on tax and spend records.

Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter (even Ron Paul) are strong on all of the above.

So if we really care about Conservative issues, we can't vote for either Mitt or Mike in the Primaries.

It's all about the Supreme Court
The Mormon card is being played with the most heavy hand I have seen yet. Baiting and snarling at Christians is not winning the race, however.

The true issue remains Romney's recent seachange from the extreme left.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/SandyRios/2007/12/10/mit t_romney_may_have_had_no_choice,_but_i_do&Comments=true

Ruth Bader Ginsberg has cancer, and other Supreme Court Justices are over 80. The next Supreme Court will be either a force for good, or a force for the accelerated disintegration of this Republic.

This is a mighty hour of decision for our Nation. We must seek a died-in-the-wool conservative for the sake of the court.

Recent leaf-turners need not apply.

Since when is it considered an attack
to state the truth?
Go check it out:

http://www.evidenceministries.org


BTW, Hugh
He immediately apologized, though he was certainly excused from doing so in the context of his "blurb".

SWAMPFOX - Huckabee does answer for his pardons and commutations...on his website...did you expect him to get all that mud off in little sound bites that he is afforded from those who sling the mud.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Romney is the one behind all of the mud slinging and character assasination.

Huck is a good man...is that a crime?

Mormons are the haters and deceivers
Every day thousands of Mormon missionaries go around the country spreading lies about Christianity and telling unsuspecting Biblical illiterates that shortly after Christ's return to earth the WHOLE Christian Church apostasized and fell away. So Billions of Christian believers for over 1600 years were deceived by Satan (according to Mormons) until Joseph Smith the glass seerer came along.

Isn't it the height of bigotry by Mormons to spread false stories about a Global Christian apostacy that they claim happened over 1600 years ago and without any proof except Joseph Smith's word (the same guy who sold his special talent to find buried treasure).

In the Mormon temple ceremony there is a movie where the Devil hires a man dressed up like a Christian pastor to deceive all of God's children.

What is that movie except hatred and bigotry of Mormons against ALL Christian pastors?

Mormons are soo thin skinned. Mormons have been falsely preaching and claiming ALL Christian creeds are an abomination to God for over 200 years. Sounds like Mormons are the haters and anti-Christians.

Stop teaching the hate, bigotry and lies of Joseph Smith's First Vision and then you thin skinned Mormons may have a leg to stand on.

Clivesdad
Hows this for middle ground....

according to HUCKS religious beliefs if you are not of HIS brand of christianity then you are going to hell. (this includes catholics, lutherens, mormons, JW's etc... )

Knowing this, please explain how searching for a MIDDLE GROUND based on his or any other candidates faith is useful, relevant, or necessary.

Your point in looking at religion as anything other than VALUES is whats dangerous and pulling the GOP apart.

Regarding religion other than the values it's all PERSONAL.

Huck trying to spread this to specific doctrines may get him the nomination,,, but result in the demise of the GOP.

Huuuuuuuuughhhhh...
Please, Mr. Hewitt...I love you most of the time, but you need to understand that Americans really want a candidate from outside the ivy league.

The common sense that flows from Mike Huckabee sets him apart...not his religion. It is clear that we are seeing a more engaged constituency making up their own minds about who to like and vote for. Huckabee has a good record as a Governor, he is fair, he speaks plainly and specifically, and he is positive. We really need that right now.

On this, Mr. Hewitt, I part ways with you (and FOX)...I've made up my mind, and Huckabee is my guy. I will make sure that those who are in my sphere of influence will know him as my candidate for President.

Thanks for joining majority of other media "talkin heads" in taking a quote out of context, not sharing the whole statement, and editing out the rest of the story so that you could make Huckabee look bad.

If you can't tell the whole truth, just say nothing at all...I'd respect you more for it.

Huckabee's weekly pardons & comutations
Huckabee can't answer a straight question about his weekly pardons and commutations.