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Thursday, January 25, 2007
Hugh Hewitt :: Townhall.com Columnist
Take The Pledge: How Victory Trumps Party
by Hugh Hewitt
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Let me begin wherethis column will end, at TheNRSCPledge.com.

Republicans disagree among themselves on scores of issues. It is genuinely a big tent party, and rarely if ever does the “base” demand party discipline. In recent years the only sitting GOP senator to find himself rejected by large number of activists and donors was Rhode Island’s Lincoln Chafee, who not only voted against the invasion of Iraq and the confirmation of Samuel Alito, but declined even to vote for the re-election of President Bush. Many loyal party members not only opposed Chafee’s re-election, they refused to support the National Republican Senatorial Committee because the NRSC was helping to fund the Chafee campaign.

The NRSC had a disastrous cycle, losing six United States senate seats, as a dispirited GOP base simply did not contribute as much or work as hard as it had in the successful cycles of 2004 and 2002. Lincoln Chafee was one drag. The Gang of 14 another. The refusal to use the majority that had required so much effort resulted in the loss of that majority.

Now, less than a month into the new Congress, the Senate Republicans face another crucial moment, one that will reverberate long into 2008. Senator Joseph Biden has offered a cut-and-run resolution on Iraq, a resolution that only Chuck Hagel voted for in committee and which will not receive a vote because the Democrats lack 60 votes to bring it to a vote.

Eager to assure that the Senate somehow undermined the war effort, however, Virginia’s John Warner once again stepped forward with a second, slightly milder resolution blasting the president’s war strategy in its most crucial aspects. Some GOP senators indicated they were favorably disposed to the Warner resolution, including Susan Collins of Maine, Norm Coleman of Minnesota, and Gordon Smith of Oregon.

On Wednesday, general David Petraeus, widely regarded as the best man for the job of winning the war in Iraq, testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee. In response to a direct question from Senator Lieberman, General Petraeus testified under oath that any resolution denouncing the strategy in Iraq would encourage the enemy. I heard it, and have played the tape repeatedly on my program. I confirmed in an interview with Tony Snow yesterday (transcript here) that this is indeed how he understood General Petraeus as well. There can be no doubt about what the question was and how he answered.

What does it mean to “encourage the enemy?” It means to increase their will to fight on, and their courage to do so even in the face of the arrival of reinforcements. It also means to increase –substantially—the likelihood of redoubled and retripled efforts on their part to kill American soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines. To vote for the sort of resolution that General Petraeus addressed is a profoundly wrong action.

General Petraeus was confirmed by the Senate on Wednesday --which has to mean that the senators who voted for him have confidence in his military judgment.

Many Democrats are willing to encourage the enemy if it means hurting George W. Bush. They are willing to disregard the advice of the general they have just sent to do a mission if it serves their political purposes.

Chuck Hagel is thus far the only Republican to indicate that he is willing to issue the same encouragement to the enemy.

Senator Warner’s resolution has the same effect as Senator Biden’s. General Petraeus testified as to any resolution blasting the new strategy. Biden’s resolution blasts all of the strategy. Warner’s blasts the most important parts.

There is no meaningful difference in my eyes –or the eyes of General Petraeus, the MSM, or the eyes of the enemy—between the two resolutions.

Because the troops and the war trump any partisan calculation, I have helped organize a campaign to alert Republican senators that a vote for the Warner resolution, or any other similar resolution, is a deal breaker for me. I will not contribute to any senator who so votes, and I will not work for any senator who so votes.

Further, I will withhold all funds from the NRSC if the NRSC supports in the ’07-’08 cycle any Republican senator who voted for the Warner amendment.

I am not alone in this conviction, even though it may mean splitting with some friends, senators I have eagerly helped elect in the past with my time and treasure, and whom I know to be very good senators on almost all issues. At the web site TheNRSCPledge.com more than 4,000 people signed the pledge of non-support for individual senators and the NRSC in the first six hours of its operation. Hundreds of bloggers have joined on as well. I expect the numbers to grow, and the memory of the votes of next week to remain strong for years to come.

There are two parties in the country –the victory party, and everybody else.

The GOP Senate leadership has to decide very quickly that it will not indulge Senator Warner and anyone else who is still in agreement with Senator Warner after the Petraeus testimony. The good news is that General Petraeus’ testimony has had a bracing effect on many senators. They know that he spoke truth and he did so with zero interest in the political debates swirling in the Congress. Senators who might have been inclined to join Senator Warner in some gesture of concern have been informed that gestures can kill. Gestures can lose wars. And gestures most certainly will cause unbridgeable breeches with one-time core supporters.

I also spoke with two senators yesterday --Jon Kyl of Arizona and Norm Coleman of Minnesota. (The Kyl transcript is here; the Coleman transcript here.)

Senator Kyl assured the audience that no resolution will come to a vote that encourages the enemy, and that means Senator Warner’s resolution is dead.

Senator Coleman assured the audience that he is open to argument on the matter, and that he in no way wishes to harm the war effort. He is rethinking his support of the Warner resolution.

There is reason to believe that the senate GOP can bring itself to flatly declare that they are the representatives of the victory party, that they know the stakes, and that they believe General Petraeus.

And, yes, that they believe the president as well.

Rejecting Senator Warner’s misguided attempt to split differences where no such possibility exists may embarrass the Virginia senator, but an embarrassed senator is much to be preferred over an encouraged enemy and a demoralized military.

Please take the pledge and engage in the activism suggested at the pledge site. Encourage the Senate GOP to commit to victory and to do so in debate and deed.

And back your encouragement with plain speech about the consequences of getting this one wrong.

Visit TheNRSCPledge.com, sign up, contact the key senators, and then ask your friends and family to do the same.

If you support the troops, you will do what you can to discourage the enemy, and that means discouraging these resolutions.

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Does this mean
That the Libertarian and Constitutional Parties might have a chance for some Senate seats if a respected Republican like Hewitt can affect the funding of a campaign? One can only hope.

General Petraeus' Remarks
Hugh Hewitt misrepresents General Petraeus' testimony.

In the same hearing from which Hewitt extracted the answer to Lieberman's set-up question, Sen. Bayh questioned him in detail to clarify that answer and to probe more deeply about the potential effects of the debate over the war, and a possible Senate resolution against Bush's "surge" strategy.

Paraphrasing General Petraeus' answer: The troops understand how American democracy works. They understand that the war is controversial. They will not be demoralized by the normal functioning of American democracy.

Ironically, Hewitt trashed John Kerry for his apparant insult to the intelligence of U.S. servicemen. But Hugh -- who considered himself too smart to waste his talents in uniform during the cold war -- seems to think they are mouth-breathing dolts who are too simple to fathom the mysteries of American politics.

General Petraeus said that the troops are a reflection of American society at large, a diverse group holding a variety of opinions on all issues -- including the war. You are wrong, Hugh. Servicemen are smart enough to understand how democracy works.

And as far encouraging the emeny goes -- it is public information that two out of three Americans oppose Bush's new surge strategy, Senate resolution or not

Who will pay the price?
I'd like to know, who will pay the price for making Pakistan and Saudi Arabia our allies in the "War on Terror"?

When (not if) al Qaeda strikes next, you can bet bin Laden & al-Zwahiri arranged the operation safely from Pakistan, funded by oil-rich Saudis and carried out by recruits trained at Saudi-sponsored Wahhabi mosques.

Who will pay?

Who will pay the price? - part 2
Dubious 'successes' in Iran
TODAY'S EDITORIAL
The Washinton Times, January 25, 2007

We remain skeptical of the notion put forward by the Bush administration and the Israeli government that we are on the verge of some kind of New Mideast Order in which "moderates" like the Wahhabi rulers of Saudi Arabia join hands with Israel to combat Iran and the Shi'ite radicals. Given reports that the Saudis continue to fund the Wahhabi networks that brought us al Qaeda and Hamas, the current talk sounds more like spin than substance.

http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20070124-094726-1371r.htm

Who will pay?

I support freedom in whatever form....
it takes; especially when it comes to defending against an invading army like the fodder that has been sent to exploit the resources in Iraq, and which the Neo-Fascist Doctine has imposed upon the World. To "encourage the enemy", as per this author's definition therof, should represent a badge of honor to all of those who have struggled against this wall of greed, corruption and death. This badge of honor is, but a minor consolation which should be placed upon the breast of all those who have been oppressed, intimidated, conjolled, bullyed, and suffered upon by the dictates of this neo-fascist juggernaut... This corrupted horde of suits, this infected pathology currently occupying our country's most cherished church must be stopped now before they turn to dirt one more ideal of humanity and truth. Our collective prize should be a willingness to listen and respect our fellow-man, and to transcend into a place above this evil fray of trolls. The church of man, the church of law, the church of people, the church of humanity has been tarnished by this stain..., this blight which has swept into every single vein of our collective being. Let the light of mankind prevail, let the giant be awakened, let the imposters be exposed; so peace, love, and freedom will once again reign upon Earth.

Bush's 2 biggest Mistakes
1. Trusting Democrats & their MEDIA to put national interest above their own selfish interest. Democrat Pols & Media have conspired to make Iraq a "separate" War, when, in fact, Iraq like Afghanistan is a FRONT in the War started 9/11/2001 by Muslim Terrorists. 2. Trying the FAILED idea of "Nation Building" which was expoused by America's WORST President Democrat Woodrow Wilson. Wilson's lies in getting the US into WW I & his criminal actions in its settlement have led to where we are now. Wilson made believe that Germany was a threat to the US in order to save the British Empire from defeat which enabled the British to help turn the MidEast into the mess it is today.

I like it
Hugh says exactly what many of use have been saying on these threads for weeks. Right on Hugh, tell it like it is.

That's the way it is!
You are either with America or against America.
War is not the place for partisan politics!

Oh that filibuster...
How unfair it is of certain Rebublicans to require 60 votes to approve a resolution. Why not let it come to the floor for an "up or down" vote?

I say let the will of people shine through!

While the Biden / Lugar / Levin amendment will probably not pass through a Republican led filibuster, there seems to be a good chance of the Warner bill passing...

Coleman, Collins, Warner, Smith, Lugar, Sununu, Murkowski, and Voinivich have all signaled they would approve...That is 8...Only need 1 or 2 more to be filibuster proof (depending on how Lieberman stands on the filibuster...has he given any comment on that?)

Of course, I could whine like Hugh and ask the Dems to find a way to destroy age old filibuster rules to suit my needs, but I believe in preserving the methods the US chooses to deliberate....I guess you can call me conservative in that way...

Enjoy!

Yo Dennis M
Get off your high horse about non military commentators commenting about military strategy. There are plenty of US former military who see our long global struggle ahead against Islam and who don't want the fight to come here AGAIN, despite protests from those against our efforts and show their desire for our defeat.

Finally
A rallying cheer to support our troops. So much misinformation is floating in the media you need to spend some time talking to a soldier and he'll tell you to let them finish this mission. We can overcome this world wide threat if we stand strong -
Military Strong!!!!

The Pledge
Hugh, I may have mean-mouthed you in the past, but I take it all back now. We have needed this kind of Stand Up for Victory leadership for some time now. I never thought I would see the day when a Commiequeer (the proper, accurate term for "Liberal") Jewish Yankee would have more balls, brains and integrity than a fellow Virginia Gentleman. Warner continues to stab Conservatives who elected him in the back. Add this latest treasonous betrayal to his betrayal of Bork, his refusal to support Conservative Candidates for State Office (choosing instead to support a 3 time loser for the sole purpose of preventing the election of the conservative), his participation in the Gang of 14 (remember the orignial Gang of 4 were Mao's fall guy henchman). Can there be any doubt now that Warner's FBI File was one of the Top ones on Craig Livingston's desk? Best bet is he is a closet Gilt Bird Cabin Republican.

I've signed the Pledge, I will contact the Senators, I will contact the State Republican Party, I will contact Senator Warner, and I may contact our New Commiequeer Senator the Pornographer just to tell him to go to blazes.

One more thing: Don't stop here, we need the 30% of Americans (remember on 33% supported our Original War for Independence) who understand that our lives are at stake here, to, in the words of Josie Wales "get mean, plumb mad dog mean." We need to remember that "there is no substitute for Victory", we need to be quoting Churchill, "Victory, however long and hard the road, Victory in spite of all terror," we need to be plastering it in our fellow craven citizens' faces every day, "The ONLY American "exit strategy" is TOTAL VICTORY". Nothing else is acceptable, nothing else is tolerable. NAGASAKI (not Hiroshima--think about it) is AMERICA's "exit strategy." My country, my wife, my children have been attacked by Sand Nazis--I want my country's, my family's enemies--I want EVERY Sandnazi dead, and dead in such a horrific way that it will be 100 years before somebody dares attack us again. Nothing else is acceptable.
Take it to the limit, Hugh, MARCH, MARCH, DEMONSTRATE, SHOUT IT SO LOUD ON THE MALL THAT THE SENATE CAN'T HEAR TO CONDUCT IT'S TREASONOUS BUSINESS. MARCH NOW, MARCH ANGRY, GET RESULTS.
WE KNOW WHO BETRAYS US, LET THEM FEEL THE RAGE!

And extend the principle--there should be similar pledges on Candidates who will not support deporting all illegals, and sealing the southern border, who will not support making take cuts permanent and who won't pledge to cut 10% of Federal Programs every year, and for Candidates who won't pledge to support Strict Constructionist Judges. Put the Conservative Platform out there NOW. 1. No Surrender. 2. No illegals. 3. No Tax Increases. 4. Smaller Government. 5. Strict Constructionist Judges.


By the way--Warner doesn't want us "in the middle of a civil war" well heck, if a civil war keeps Iraq from giving nukes, bios or chems to the Sandnazis then civil war in Iraq, with us keeping it on their field of play, is a good thing. If you don't like it, then do what has been done since ancient times over there--choose the side best suited to help us, then wipe out the other. Don't like that--wipe out all of em and divide the country between the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs. As too the casualties--I'll start sheding tears when we loose as many in a day as we loose in our cities on a regular night of homicide. This refusal to keep our casualty count in perspective is a travesty.
And before some commiequeer tries it--yeah I'd gladly go, especially if I got a chance to kill several sandnazis. I wish the Military WOULD figure out a way to give 50 year old out of shape guys like me a chance to kill my county's and my family's enemies. They figure out a way, I'll sign up in a heartbeat--so stuff your straw man ad hominem argument up your thinking orafice.

the big mick



Hugh, etal ye of Town Hall.
Deleting post that tell the truth about President Bush is,,, not nice, in fact,it shows just how in bed with the "evil money cult" at the top of the Republican Party you in fact are.

Go and sin no more.

Yes, there are two parties
Yes, there are two parties: the realistic party and the delusional party. We in the realistic party understand that victory in Iraq is no longer possible. Even if the violence were quelled, the government over there is going to be more friendly to Iran than to us.

But the violence will not be quelled with more military forces because they are being asked to do something that they are not designed or equipped to do. As Rush has said many times "militaries are designed to kill people and break things". But what we're doing is asking our troops to make friends and build things.

We in the realistic party recognize this and understand that our presence over there is not helping the situation. Indeed, it may be exascerbating it. You people in the delusional party believe that we're close to victory and with just a little more effort, and a little more patience, it will all work out just fine.

I think all of this bloviating by Hewitt isn't really about victory. If he and Bush were really all about victory they would be talking about reinstating the draft and sending 500,000 troops over there. And they would even be willing to talk about tax increases to finance it. But they won't even talk about that kind of escalation because they know how politically unpopular it would be, not to mention the fact that it still might not be anything more than a temporary fix.

And yes, if we leave Iraq it will get very bloody indeed. But idiots like Hewitt and Bush and Cheney should've thought of that before they recklessly encouraged this foolish policy. Everyone, even honest Republicans, knew it was a huge gamble.

Phylo out




Polls, yuk!!
Polls don't mean diddlely. It can be skewed by the phrasing of the questions, what answers provided for your answer, what demographic they use, etc. Sorry, I don't think the people have really had their voice heard on any of this military action. I haven't been polled, have you? The media is force feeding us with what they think we should think. Enough already - do your own research and find out what your neighbor and community feel. That is a true reflection of what America is thinking. Then come back here and give your personal poll - then you might have some facts to back your statement.

Big Mick
I signed the pledge too and agree with all you wrote. Thank you!!

Conservatives should follow Hewitt...
... like lemmings jumping off a cliff into the sea. It will ensure even Hillary can win the white house in 2008 for the democrats.

Chafee, Lindsay Graham and other members of the gang of 14 are great Americans who put our country over partisan politics. This includes Hagel and Warner. If Chafee were in the Senate, Republicans would not have lost it to the democrats in November. Thank you for that!!

If conservatives keep throwing their moderates under the bus that will just guarantee Democrats retain control of congress and will win the White House in 2008. The tide of blue dog democrats will continue to surge through the Democratic party and it will become the new home for sensible moderates. The Reagan democrats will return home like prodigal sons!! So keep it up, Hewitt.

Bush and Petraeus are going to get their surge. There is nothing anyone can do to stop it. They just do not have infinite time to show results from it. And congress is not going to sit back and continue to pour billions into a war effort if the Maliki government continues to play Bush like a fiddle by promising things to us and never keeping those promises.

Lieberman, Patraeus, and even Bush know this surge is the last bullet in their gun. Everyone knows it is totally dependent on the Iraqi government holding up their end of the bargain. Maliki is a very weak reed with a very poor track record. People are right to be concerned. Patraeus promised he will speak out if it isn't working. If that happens, what is Hewitt going to do, throw Pataeus under the bus? If after the surge the situation gets worse, not better what is the next step?

Its Biden's plan. Spinners like Hewitt who label it cut and run are not telling you the truth. It is the only remaining plan on the table if the surge doesn't work in six months or so to AVOID cut and run. You will see that is true if you read it, the pdf document "Iraq: A way forward" at

http://www.joebiden.com

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To UtahMoron
And what good would that do? You pseudo "Libertarians" need to go to Candidate Match and see the glaring truth that the Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Natural Law Party, are ALL MUCH CLOSER to the GOP then ANYBODY is to the DUMBOLCRAPS except the Marxist Red Greens. If you guys had any political brains in your heads you would do two things--join with fellow conservatives on every single issue you share--lower taxes, less government etc in forming a Conservative Caucus in the GOP that has veto power over Candidates and platforms. The second is to begin organizing and electing candidates at the state level--choose ONE state and take over its Administration and Legislature--demonstrate the success of your principles in a model--THEN try to elect a MAJORITY of Senators rather then a meaningless one or two.
If you guys weren't wedded to Pot, Porno, and Isolationism you'd have had more power a long time ago. You throw the baby out with the bathwater, choosing to emphasize your differences, rather than your may more agreements with most Americans. Dumb.

To Dennis M--the "misrepresentation" lies, sir, with those who take the plain sense of a direct statement and attempt to spin it. Any moron would know that a vote of no confidence for the Commander and Chief will have negative effects on the moral of the troops. A resolution of retreat, surrender, defeat, will breed retreat, surrender and defeat. There is no difference in this resolution and a resolution from Congress in Jan of 1942 opposing FDR's "Germany First" policy. The majority of Amricans THEN did not support "Germany First". Congress did not support FDR's attempts to aid Britain--in fact FDR pulled an Ollie North to get around Congress' legislation--secretly shipping bombers to Canada. The fact is that this is a Resolution of Appeasement and, in light of history, is unconscionable. It is NOT free speech, or democratic debate, it is TREASON--offering aid and comfort to the enemy-anyone who votes for it commits Treason, anyone who supports them is a Traitor,--we have been attacked, we are at war-I say that to your face sir, and to your despite.

gruntmomx3
Check out the PUBLIC polls at http://www.vote.com
They will give you a better view of public opinion.

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I see we still have IslamoNazi collaborators here who want to encourage the enemy.
They can't seem to understand which side of this war they are supposed to be on.
The moment they make an anti-American remark they put themselves in a loosers bag. They loose WHATEVER the outcome. If America wins it is in spite of their efforts to help the enemy. If America looses then they are to blame.
I hope they talk that way to friends & neighbors so America knows who it's enemies are.

The Pledge redux
I made a pledge 1n 1975 to never ever again vote for a Democrat and have not broken it. Now 32 years later I am getting real close to making the same pledge for the Republicans. I am going to take Hugh's pledge one step further. Since senority trumps all in Washington, I will never give a dime or work for or vote for any politician that has held office for more than 3 terms. In fact I will do everything in my power to defeat them.

Dennis M
John Keegan.

Gordon Prange.

Two NOTABLE military historians who have written numerous books on mil hist/strategy but never served a day on active-duty. Guess they didn't rate either huh?

BigMick says....
"we have been attacked, we are at war-I say that to your face sir, and to your despite."

This goes to the heart of the matter, and illustrates why Bush has the problems with rational Americans that he is having. There are 2 reasons.

REASON 1

Yes we were attacked but not by Saddam Hussein or Iraq. There was some initial confusion about this at the start of the war, but now the American people know this. They now see the war in Iraq as a war of choice to liberate the country from a vicious dictator. I know, I know, people cite indirect evidence that Saddam was a real threat to us (and he would have been if we didn't keep him contained). But we did have him contained and it cost us far less in blood and treasure to do that than to invade Iraq.

REASON 2

Because people see the War in Iraq as a war of choice, they evaluate it differently than they evaluate the war in Afghanistan. No one of consequence is arguing about the need to keep the Taliban defeated in Afghanistan. Americans support that war. The Taliban DID attack us. On our soil.

Once the war in Iraq is disassociated from the war on terror it is judged by whether it helps or hurts in the war on terror which we must win. Rightly or wrongly, it is quite rational to come to the opinion that because of our blunders Bush has admitted to in Iraq, we are losing there. It has created more terrorism than it stopped. Iraq has become a training ground for terrorists to get hands on training on how to fight the American military.

Since it is a civil war as well between religious sects in Iraq, the terrorists can take one side or the other as they choose in the civil war just to keep it going so they can continue to train. One can look at this and wonder what all the blood and treasure we are spending to get in the middle between the Shia, Sunni, and al Qaeda is buying us. We don't trust the Shia not to become lapdogs of Iran and Hezbollah supporters if they win their civil war against the Sunni. If by some miracle the Sunni win, we don't trust them not to produce another Saddam, and they are surely not OUR friends.

So, yes one can agree with BigMick that we have been attacked and are at war, but still have grave doubts about Bush's war in Iraq and what strategy we should pursue there.

In the end, we will find that Joe Biden has been mostly right all along. His plan with modifications will end up being the next thing we try if this surge doesn't work. You can read it in the pdf document "Iraq the way forward" at

http://www.joebiden.com



Repost , Hamp, Paule, JF
Hamp--OK lets wipe out all the Sandnazis in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia--I'm in favor of a Declaration of War against all Muslim Nations. I belive in the Bush Doctrine following 9/11 if you aid the Islamanazis your make yourself an enemy. You are for us or against us. Heck this play all ends against several middles is an Ancient Arab Tradition. And we are USING that to our ADVANTAGE, we are making common cause with those elements who share SOME our interests--witness the success in Somolia. What WE want to do is do what THEY do--use the House of Saud, and Pakastan to kill the people we want killed--then if they betray us or become our enemies--use others to kill them.
Your kind of straw man argument against pursuing the destruction of Sandnazis world wide is unconscionable.

Paule--naw you support Islamafacism, Appeasement, Tryanny, Islamanazi hegemony, Sadams' rape rooms and gassing the Kurds, mass tortures and mass graves. Paulee, only a bigot could label the deposing and execution of a Tyrant like Sadam with the same terms justly applied to the Monster Sadam was. Unconscionable. You lack of proportion shows you have no clue.
"Exploit the resources"--yeah, just like we did in Kuwait--tell me--if we are exploiting all that oil how come I'm paying 2 bucks a gallon--bigotted nonsense on the face of it, Paulee.
So you lie when you say you support "freedom in whatever form"--according to you being raped and tortured under Sadam was "freedom."


JF--No I wouldn't call you a conservative, an appeaser and a traitor now, that might apply.
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice."

the big mick

Fog of War
I have to believe the American people can see through the blinding fog of the politics and understand what is really happening.

Not long after we went to war I began to notice what is now obvious to me. The Democrats intended to use the war they helped authorize to try to destroy the President and the Republicans. I never would have believed politicians would sacrifice American lives in an effort to regain power and destroy a President. They and their media cohorts have American blood on their hands.

hugh hewitts pledge and filibuster
first of all hewitt who claims to be a christian is one of the most vile talk show hosts i have ever listened to. Besides being intellectually dishonest and down right wrong on most issues he stoops to personal and insulting attacks on politicians he disagrees with whether dem or republican.

i have listened to him off and on for 4 years and he has been wrong on the war, elections and even harriet miers.

this pledge movement and talk of a victory party is anti-democratic and is an attempt to destroy this country.
what people like hewitt fail to understand is that we are all americans and all want victory and yes, that includes democrats and liberals.
it is not our fault that the war has been prosecuted so incompetently. if the war had been handled with professionalism and competence we would not be having this conversation.

staying the course, which is what we are really talking about was soundly rejected by the electorate not more than 2 months ago but because hewitt has no respect for democratic values and is now in the minority he would rather divide the country than heal it.

he then has the nerve to call for filibusters when he was one of the main proponets of banning it in the last congress saying that it was not part of constitutional principles. he is forever flip-flopping and is nothing but a cheerleader for the like minded.


Sentry I'm rolling on the floor laughing
That's rich...
"The Democrats intended to use the war they helped authorize to try to destroy the President and the Republicans."

Talk about the fog of war! You must think the democrats were so omniscient that they knew all along that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld would create a catastrophe if they gave them everything they asked for. And republicans and conservatives are so dumb and stupid that they didn't realize that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld would create a catastrophe and they also voted to give them everything they asked for.

And now after you have turned your fog lights on and see the catastrophe through it dimly, you think what we need to do is to continue to support Bush, even though we know he is responsible for the catastrophe.

What a hoot.

slacker
Yeah, the Democrats have thrown their full weight behind Bush and the War in Iraq right?

They've frigging backstabbed him from day one and their enablers in the MSM have worked overtime to help them.

87 STRAIGHT days of a NON-ISSUE like Abu Ghraib on the FRONT-PAGE of the NYT?

Newsweek's BULLSH*T story about the guards burning and desecrating the Koran at GITMO?

Numerous leaks at the NYT giving vital information to the enemy.

Yeah, they're really behind the war effort, like throwing sand in the crankcase of your engine.

Disengagements total effect

"General Petraeus testified under oath that any resolution denouncing the strategy in Iraq would encourage the enemy. I heard it, and have played the tape repeatedly on my program. I confirmed in an interview with Tony Snow yesterday (transcript here) that this is indeed how he understood General Petraeus as well."

1. Our concern for what our enemies think should be limited to how to beat them, not planning what's best for us around what encourages them or not.

2. Wouldn't disengagement from Iraq free the US to focus on the world of challenges that confront us in Iran, China, North Korea, Russia Venezuela and domestic security to name a few? Don't you think the leaders of those nations are pleased that we are so enmeshed in this quagmire, and are "encouraged" by the fact that Bush is seeking to deepen our involvement and put our already low world reputation in further jeopardy? Would China have shot the satellite, would N Korea have tested a nuke, if we were able to focus on them more than Iraq?

EqualTime

Oh my...
Sentry: Don't stop there really. You need to take it all the way back to Clinton or maybe even Carter...Yeah, that's it...Bill Cliinton knew that his VP, Al, would be no match for an upstart governor from Texas with a desire to exact revenge on an enemy his father wouldn't kill...but Bill had a plan...he would purposely let Islamic Extremists build up an infrastructure to attack the US...Bill knew full well that George Bush would use this attack to launch a counterattack not only on the terrorists, but also on Iraq...Bill also knew that George and his inner circle would bungle the war so badly that people would turn on George and his Iraq War and ensure Democratic majorities for the next decade...It all just makes sense...if you're a (as Hugh would say) NUTTER!

bigmick: Traitor? Appeaser?

In the famous fictional words of Inigo Montoya:

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Slacker You stand too close.
You are focussed so tightly on the Iraq battlefield that you don't see the war.
This is a WORLD WAR!
There are many Fronts.
Iraq is simply a battlefield.
America now has the initiative.
If America retreats and surrenders Iraq the Initiative goes with that surrender.
The war will continue, the enemy will advance and use their newly gained option to pick the next battlefield.
This enemy likes to attack soft civilian targets.
We have a lot of highly populated soft civilian targets here in America.
The Democrats who want to bring the EIDs and car bombs here to America should take note of how those soft civilian targets are MARKED IN BLUE!

lydia
85% of all liberals are christian.
one of the leading magazines in the liberal christian movement is sojourner. check it out.
i am a proud liberal
i believe in the soul.
i believe in the Father,Son, and Holy Ghost
i believe in faith and the power of prayer.
i believe oswald acted alone
i believe in the sweet sound of a basketball swishing through a net.
i believe most conservative christians have turned their back on the New Testatment and the teachings of Jesus Christ.

care to comment?

GunnyG, the Democrats...
... have given Bush everything he has asked for in Congress.

That doesn't mean that they don't tell him when he is wrong. But that is not backstabbing. If Bush had listened to Biden and republicans like McCain years ago when they advocated sending more troops after the insurgency started we would not be in the mess we are in now. That advice is now a page out of Petraeus's book.

Abu Ghraib is NOT a non issue. It did enormous damage. It is additional evidence that we did not have enough troops in country back in those days and it had to be stopped. The press reports these things. You have to expect that. The way to handle Abu Ghraib is not to let it happen in the first place.

BULLSH*T happens in stories about GITMO because its a black hole. Stuff goes in, but no news comes out. The way to handle that is to be more transparent. That doesn't mean you let the prisoners go. Just have to put real information out.

Not much if anything that gets in the NYT is a secret to anyone, including the enemy. If it weren't for publications like the NYT, Newsweek, the Economist, the WSJ, Time, the Atlantic, etc. who do investigative reporting we would hear nothing but the administration's spin on all topics. Thats what a free press is for. If you don't want a free press you are not going to be happy living in a democracy.

MyOpine
Making a list, checking it twice.

Hugh, problem is,
You should have presented this pledge to the current President back in 2004, he should have pleged to the Republican Party he would uphold the Constitution and defend the United States, to them, as his pledge on the Bible to we Americans did not work, his Open Borders and lust for the "wage slaves" from Mexico does not fit with the facts on the ground in the Barnett Shale "high pressure" gas pipe line fake welds the "illegals" now get the $50.00 per hr to do
as their welds X-rays are faked.

Look down, under your feet, the foundation is
made of fraud concrete poured by illegals.

The Decider
As one who voted for the guy twice and supported taking out Saddam, some of the things W. has decided mystify me. He DECIDED to not secure our borders on Sept.12, 2001. He DECIDED to decrease immigration enforcement. He DECIDED to enter into a totalization treaty with Mexico that will bankrupt Social Security much sooner. He DECIDED to not send enough troops to Iraq to secure the country. He DECIDED to overemphasize WMD as a rationale for the war. He DECIDED the process of democratization was more important than results. I'm done worrying about Iraq. I'm very concerned for America.

Slacker & JF
I guess I struck a nerve. Obviously got too close to the truth.

What might the situation in Iraq be had the opposition party and the MSM actually supported the effort?

Catastrophe? Bungling? Disaster? When did you start hearing those words? Has there been a day since we went into Iraq that you haven't heard it. It's an old political strategy that if you repeat a lie long enough it will become the truth. It's been repeated so much that most peoples eyes have glossed over and they've bought into it. The President has been in the crosshairs since the 2000 election and the operation in Iraq is being used as another weapon to try to ruin him.

As far as this past election. Just keep thinking the reason for the Republicans losses were because of Iraq. After all, that's what the media is telling you and so it must be true.

Virginia Patriot
Voted twice for Bush?
I considered it nepotism for him to even run.
Yes I did vote for him twice also.
What choice did we have?
You think we are in bad shape now?
Take a look at our options for 08.

MyOpine I am not too close
I DO see both the big picture and the details of Iraq and Afghanistan.

I agree with you that Iraq is a battlefield and that there is a war on terrorists. But it was a battlefield Bush, not the enemy chose.

My thinking about winning wars is this, even though my military service was long ago:

You may not be able to pick your wars, but it is important to pick your battles.

When you choose a battle, you must have a reasonable chance to win. You must go in with enough force to impose the peace you want on your terms after you win the battle.


If the battle you are fighting is to replace an enemy "regime" with one that is friendly to you, and them leave, you must know and trust who you are going to replace them with. You don not leave it to the defeated country to choose the regime that will immediately replace the one you defeated. Expect to be an occupier for a considerable period of time before you can risk elections and be reasonably sure of what the results of those elections will be.

In order to occupy a country, you must guarantee a super majority of the population that their life will be more secure, stable, and profitable for THEM, not just you, if they accept the regime that you replace your enemy with. They must believe this and see immediate evidence that this is true. At the same time, they must have hope that they will gain their country back and you will leave eventually if they cooperate with you.

It is important to know the difference between the battles you can win and the battles you may probably lose.

If you choose to fight a battle, it must do more to advance your cause than other battles you do not choose to fight.

You must understand the enemy and which battles help or hurt their cause. Sometimes fighting a battle helps their overall cause even if they lose. It is not to your advantage to fight those battles. Find another battle that does not help them.

When Bush admits that "mistakes have been made" I look at it this way. He has not followed my principals above. The very predictable outcome of that is chaos and loss. That is what has occurred in the "battle in Iraq".

slacker
I work with classified material on missions and projects that you'll never know about and it happens all over the world. It's called "need-to-know."

What happens at GITMO is nobody's business. They are revealing information and if that gets out, terrorists simply change their methods, procedures, contacts, locations, etc.

Those prisoners are a lot better treated than Jessica Lynch, Daniel Pearl, 3000 Americans on 9-11, various DoD contractors, etc, etc, were treated.

My thoughts on GITMO?

1. Drain them of any and all info.
2. Fast military tribunal.
3. Execution.

For more on GITMO... ALZ has the gouge.

http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/9aa7b53a-7a8a-401c-859b-554ed70cddef

slacker
One more story specifically about HOW WELL the Dhimimcrats have backed Bush.

Note, you'll find that all of my quotes are factual and researched. UNLIKE Jayson Blair and the NY Times.

http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/9d3c9b39-2d3f-48d6-93ff-6f1d64376361

sentry, I agree with you...
... that politicians lie.

Where we part company is on who we point the finger at as we say they believe the longer and louder you tell a lie the more likely people will believe it.

MyOpine
Thanks - went to the site and expressed my opinion on a number of issues. Have it bookmarked. Thanks again.

gunnyG I am not saying...
... that we should just free all the folks at GITMO. Or that we should publish everything we know.

I have no problem with dealing harshly with those we know are terrorists

However, we have let some of them go. I can only assume that is because we figured out they were not really terrorists. Or that they agreed to cooperate with us in the future against terrorists, but that is highly unlikely.

What I am saying is that information is going to come out one way or the other. You have to take charge of what that information conveys. If you don't the press will "investigate" and manufacture information on a topic as important as the war on terrorists if they have to.

The information that comes out of GITMO has to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the people you execute are in fact terrorists and have committed acts that warrant the death penalty. There should be no doubt that perhaps they were just swept up in arbitrary raids or handed over by their enemies to get money from the Americans, for example.

It has to convey that justice will be served. You are not just going to hold people forever, or try and execute them in secret.

The information that comes out has to also leverage the fact that there is hope for people in there who are not really terrorists. We find out quickly and let them go. For whatever reason, it is very fuzzy to me who the people are that we let go, why they were there in the first place, and why we decided to let them go.

slacker
"For whatever reason, it is very fuzzy to me who the people are that we let go, why they were there in the first place, and why we decided to let them go."
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Slacker, I am happy to enlighten you.

They were terrorists nabbed on the battlefield.

They were shipped to GITMO for debriefing and interrogation.

Those found innocent have been let go. From 800 to 350 residents there now.

They have been let go simply because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time or that their nation of origin wants them back to try them.

Unfortunately, (if you read my article), many of those tossed back into the "lake" have resurfaced and been found KIA'd or WIA'd and recaptured.




sentry-how insulting
first there is no mainstream media anymore.
second, to blame the incompetence of the prosecution of this war on media is insulting to the american people.

do you honestly think americans are so stupid as to be manipulated by the press?

that is why republicans are now in the minority.
they believe america was duped rather than made intellegent choices.
how patronizing.

gunnyg, i stick to my story
I don't agree with all the quotes attributed to democrats, but I do agree with some of them.

I do not agree with using clever twists on names for ad hominem attacks on people either. As an example, it does nothing to advance an argument to say "Saddam Hussein didn't kill 3,100 people on Sept. 11." and attribute it to "Velcro-Fly Bubba". It seems stupid to do that, because even George Bush would agree that it is a fact that Saddam Hussein didn't kill 3.100 people on Sept. 11.

My point though, is not that democrats always, clap and say "me too" whenever Bush utters an opinion. It is that they have never blocked him in Congress from getting anything he needed to conduct this war. In fact they often instigated giving him more than he asked for.

With Friends like these...
Pakistan’s Broken Border
by Carin Zissis
Council on Foreign Relations, January 25, 2007

The likely complicity of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) in sheltering militants -- and Musharraf's incapacity to stop the agency from doing so -- serves as another obstacle to securing the border.

Carlotta Gall, a New York Times journalist who was assaulted by ISI agents while covering the agency's support of an Islamic insurgency, offers this report on ISI's backing of Taliban incursions into Afghanistan. Her article appeared days after Taliban spokesman Mohammad Hanif, captured by Afghani agents near the border, said Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar is hiding out (Guardian) in the Pakistani city of Quetta under the ISI's protection.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/12486/pakistans_broken_border.html

Who will pay?

slacker
OK, What have you heard over and over every single day since 2003? Once again:

1.Disaster
2.Failure
3.Bungling
4.Catstrophe
5.Bogged down
6.Vietnam
7.1000 dead
8.2000 dead
9.3000 dead

Now tell me who has been predominantly saying this.

Now tell me if you think anyone may have fallen for the constant negative barrage.

You have to be able see thru the fog of war.

Slacker
Back up a few more steps;
Take a look at the Phillipines & Africa, etc.
This war will not end soon regardless of the outcome in Iraq or Afghanistan or any other single front.
We just had a big win;
Good news from Somalia. Read text before watching video about Somalia.
If you wander off onto other videos leave a trail of bread crumbs so we can find you.
http://omedia.org/Show_Article.asp?DynamicContentID=2048&MenuID=603&ThreadID=1014010
That will not end total war either.

I agree with Newt on this matter;
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200701/CUL20070111d.html

The Democrats are busy defining themselves as cut&run traitors who can't be trusted with National Security.
What do you think that will do for their election chances during this long war?
I think it may be the end of the Democratic Party.

Republicans are busy defining themselves as being exactly like Democrats in all things except the war and abortion.

slacker
Did you happen to read the two articles that I posted?

They have given him what he wanted for political expeidency and then bad-mouthed him globally every inch of the way.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

Imagine if Republicans had bad-mouthed FDR for his Europe-first policy when the japanese were over-running the Pacific.

Or when FDR refused to reinforce the Phillipines thus ensuring that 75,000 Americans would have to surrender.


With Friends like these... part 2
Report: Al-Qaida regrouping in Pakistan
UPI, January 25, 2007

The al-Qaida terror group is flourishing in eastern Pakistan because of the country's agreement with tribal authorities, a U.S. intelligence official told CNN.

The official, who asked not to be identified, said the mountainous and remote border area with Afghanistan has become a hotbed for the Muslim terrorist group since Pakistan's government came to an agreement last year to grant more autonomy to tribal leaders as long as they didn't harbor foreigners.

"This is a real safe haven to operate from. I am not talking about Taliban, I am talking about al-Qaida central," the official said. He said the top two leaders of the group, Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, were believed to be taking advantage of the situation and using the area as a safe haven.

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2007/january/0125_terror_pakistan.shtml

Who will pay?

With Friends like these... part 3
Toughen approach to Pakistan
TODAY'S EDITORIAL
The Washington Times, January 25, 2007

When Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf forged an agreement with the tribal leadership in the northwest border provinces in September 2006, observers in Washington were justly skeptical. Four months after the agreement was made, the concerns that Pakistani territory would become a sanctuary for Taliban insurgents have been realized, and Afghanistan has felt the effects...

It is certainly speculated in diplomatic circles that Pakistan believes U.S. and NATO efforts in Afghanistan will fail, and Pakistan therefore feels compelled to re-establish its traditional influence in Afghan affairs through positive support of the Taliban insurgency ... Nevertheless, policy-makers cannot discount the possibility that at least some elements in the Pakistani military, if not Gen. Musharraf himself, actively support the cross-border insurgency.

http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20070124-094726-5510r.htm

Who will pay?

religiouslib
Don't mean to be insulting. Just stating the obvious.

Yes I do believe many people have been manipulated by our politicians and the media. Most people are too busy with their lives to pay attention. They get their current events from sound bites.

See my last post for more details.

rhampton7
Clean the tracking cookies out of your browser.
It's either that or a crowd trying to post at the same time.

Hewitt should do the party a favor
Hewitt and his leftist cronies within the Repub Party should leave the party.

The Repubs don't need liberal leftest in the party giving up our liberty, our fortunes, for the sake of a false security.

With Hewitt making statements like this to his own party members you know the Repub party is in trouble.


Repubs have never been about ...
Nation building, or about being the world's policemen.

How the hell did the NeoCons(liberals in conservative clothing) take over the party?

A Lack of Maturity
Mr. Hewitt shows a great degree of childishness in his defense of the Iraq fiasco. He seems to think that being rah-rah for Bush equals true Republicanism. In truth, the main source of the Republican rout in 2006 was the poorly conceived war to bring democracy to a nation whose only importance is the oil under its soil. The war in Iraq will sink more Republicans before its all over.

The American war in Iraq is about as important, long term, to this nation as another silly fiasco of a war, the Boer War, was in the long term interests of Great Britain. When the Iraq War is long forgotten by most Americans, the true contemporary danger to the historic American nation will become apparent when Third World demographic revolution rears its ugly head a couple decades hence. The damage that George W. Bush has done to the country and the damage he plans to intensify this year by his willful, almost petulant, open borders immigration policy is the true issue of the moment and not what Arab tribe has the upper hand on the Euphrates.

For the good of the Republican party and, more importantly, conservatism as a political philosophy, President George W. Bush should be impeached from office.

MyOpine
I just cleaned out the cookies. Thanks for the tip.

sentry-thanks for being civil in your
response.

i still can't agree though.

first when it comes to war i don't agree that americans get their news in soundbites.
americans are dying and they take it pretty seriously. in 2004 they voted bush back in because they believed him when he said progress was being made right?
so what happened by 2006? the reality on the ground changed minds.

now you say that was the culmnative effect of all the negativity in the press but i say it was america waiting for a turning point that never came.

look if in your hometown they build 2 new schools and they open on the same day as 50 people are murdered what is going to covered in the news. more importantly, what will the public WANT to be covered in the news.

blame the media is simply a red herring.

if this war had been prosecuted more effectively bush would still have the support of ameerican people. he blew it not the media.

Kimberly
So, San Fran Nan's circling the wagon around William "100K" Jefferson was not rubber-stamping?

Alcee hastings gets IMPEACHED as a Fed Judge for taking mob bribes (150K) and the Democrats vote NOT to ban him from politics for life. That must have been his connection to the Progressive and Black Caucus' hooking the brother up.

Then Red Nancy wants to make someone with the morals of Bubba Clinto the INTEL CHIEF!

Good GOD, picking your impotent arguments apart is too easy.

myopine and sentry
Don't try to paint me into a doom and gloom corner. I do not fit.

I have been posting here for some time.
I just pick my battles and gravitate to the war in Iraq because it makes me so angry to watch it be mishandled so badly, and the results of this mismanagement are in my opinion the worst foreign policy catastrophe to occur for this country in its history.

I am not doom and gloom about Bush on all other topics.

I have never argued that all is lost in Afghanistan or Somalia. I have never argued that Bush is totally wrong on N. Korea, and have defended his approach to dealing with that country.

I have agreed with Bush on his immigration policy proposals on this site.

I agree with Bush on some economic issues. Free trade for instance, is at the top of my list and I distance myself from nearly all democrats when I do this.

I said yesterday that I was happy to hear Bush put forth some global warming ... uh, er, uh ... "climate change" initiatives in the SOU speech.

I have publicly posted here on abortion issues that I am much, much closer to Bush on that issue than almost any democrat.

I applaud his attempt to get the debate started about how to deal with health care and health insurance in the SOU speech. I have an open mind about his proposals, though if they turn out to be perceived as a net tax on middle class people with decent medical plans to subsidize tax breaks and health insurance for the poor, I think even with a democratic congress his proposal is DOA. But I don't know that yet, and the jury is still out.

This is still a free country. If you guys and GunnyG want to persist in deluding yourselves that things are going swimmingly well in Iraq and the MSM is lying when they say they are not, then have at it. But I disagree with you and it is not treason for me to do so.

If you actually believe that you will answer this question that I have posed many times on this forum and NO ONE HAS EVER GIVEN A REASONABLE ANSWER:

IF THINGS ARE GOING SO WELL IN IRAQ AND THE MSM IS LYING WHEN IT SAYS THEY ARE NOT, then WHY did Bush fire is Secretary of Defense, go on National TV and say we made mistakes and are not winning, replace his key generals on the ground there, and shake up his whole diplomatic team for that country.

I am waiting for a credible answer, but won't hold my breath. I know it is not forthcoming.

The media
Did not appoint Paul Bremer as viceroy in Iraq

Did not appoint young inexperienced kids fresh out of college to handle the accounting for the CPA, just because they posted resumes on the Heritage Foundation site.

The media did not force Secretary of State Rice to tell the Kurds that they have no control over the oil in their provinces.

gunny g
a republican being self-righteous about morals is simply laughable.

how many sitting congressman ended up indicted or in jail so far in the past 3 years.
and that doesnt' even include foley.

even your so-called moral leaders are immoral.

oreilly is a sexual predator
rush is a drug addict
bush is an alcoholic
bennet is addicted to gambling.

as far as hastings if you learn the facts instead of listening to biased conservative media you will find he was impeached but not convicted and in fact found innocent.

jefferson got re-elected and until he is charged with something you can't remove him from office.

republicans are the party of immorality from my perspective.

religiouslib
LOL!

Funny.

Got any CREDIBLE links for it?

I've got a few for you.

1. Carter funding terrorism. http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/7edd302a-c574-4d1d-8f68-d8ed80d17dd7

2. San Fran Nan using illegal aliens. (numerous links)
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/672198221/m/4260069890001

http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/3f9c955e-be38-4841-8778-d792fb71f401

3. Alcee Hastings.
http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/c7d5c8db-d60d-46e9-a3ee-1cffed2730c4

4. Liberals attack the Constitution.
http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/14a2313f-3595-4c75-bba5-a7c8e26ac15a

5. MY PERSONAL FAVORITE. Liberal TRAITORS, FACT!
http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/5d6d9db2-175b-47c2-b66d-fcd919cf33ec

6. Liberals celebrate pedohile Dem Gerry Studds.
http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/g/25266c88-c01b-4178-917d-26c00bd6bf65

I can supply more when you're ready.


slacker
posted, "In order to occupy a country, you must guarantee a super majority of the population that their life will be more secure, stable, and profitable for THEM."


That is why the so-called insurgents (I call them puking terrorists) are killing Iraqis. The terrorist stategerie is to make the general population believe American presence is causing them to die, when, in reality, it's terrorists themselves who are targeting civilians.

They couldn't fight and kill our military, so they kill innocent (and more importantly, UNARMED) civilians.

We've lost something like 3,000 military in Iraq. How many Iraqis have been killed during the same period by terrorists? (Don't get bogged down in the Shiite/Sunni B.S.; they both want to control the country and its oil).

Slacker, why do you think the MSM never reports enemy casualties, but reports American casualties everyday, all day? Answer honestly: have you EVER seen a total number of terrorists killed? All you hear is, "Bush killed 600,000 Iraqis."

The MSM is aiding and abetting the enemy by reporting only American deaths, never terrorist deaths, and then implying that civilian casualties in Iraq are the Americans' fault.

Can you not fail to see that?

Win or Get Out
When Americans supported the invasion of Iraq, we wanted Saddam Hussein arrested and we wanted the enemy destroyed. After the Korean War and the Vietnam War, we are sick of wars where we are unwilling to cross the Yalu River. Bush indicated that he wouldn't dither. He dithered, unwilling to kill people, as if you can have a war where nobody dies. Maybe if we pull out now, we will just have to fight these terrorists again on another battlefield. Well, so be it. Discretion is the better part of valor. The commander-in-chief is incompetent, as if Neville Chamberlain decided to fight a war. We withdraw now, wait for a new president, and live to fight another day. The current strategy, which is to ride around town in Humvees everyday and get blown up, is criminal.

religiouslib
"do you honestly think americans are so stupid as to be manipulated by the press?"

The press believes it.
They said that they were worth 12 points in an election.
And that is the MSM in this day and time of alternative media.
I wonder what they thought they were worth in points during the Vietnam War? Probably 25 points with no alternative media.

Achtung!
Now normally, I'm a shameless blog plugger in the spirit of BrianR (haha) but this is serious gouge.

But please, go to my article on St Croix, I have THE person involved in the story posting to the comments, Roger Morgan.

IF you can assist him in his efforts to OUT four sleazy lib senators, please do so.

Josue, you reading this?

http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/default.aspx?mode=post&g=fecda4e4-96a0-42f5-8374-3ff5f751daf7&comments=true#c4b8f7b2-c0ac-4f7e-9c11-d41f44fca1e4

gunny g
i notice you don't respond to any of points but instead try to justify it by pointing out dems.

dems don't claim to be the party of family values you do so which is the biggest hypocrit.

slacker @ B-Rob
Rumsfeld was replaced because the Democrats would have had him testifying every other day and he would have been too distracted to manage the DOD effectively.

Are you trying to tell me that in the last war you executed that you didn't make any mistakes? Mistakes are made in every single operation. That does not make it a disaster. It makes it a war.

I know the last war I participated in we made quite a few. But that was under a Democrat President so it doesn't count.

The President has to work with a Democrat Congress and so he obliged them. Haven't they been screaming for years that the President needs a new course in Iraq? Haven't they been trying to crusify Rumsfeld?

What would you have done with a hostile Congress? Aggrivate them further. I believe it's called making concessions. It would be nice if he would get the same in kind.

It's not so much that they occassionaly lie. It's repeating and amplifying the negative daily. Report the bad news report the good news and move on. Or perhaps they could even help the military ucceed by putting a positive spin on the effort. The media doesn't have an interest in putting a positive spin on Iraq. Reality check, Iraq is part of the war on terror and war is not pretty, easy, fun or desireable. But once you have commited get the politicians out of the way and fight the war.

Once the media and the opposition party got their rythm going they got the bubble so fogged up the politicians and some of the public couldn't see thru it.

B-Rob you're making my point about the media and the constant bashing and repeating the lies. You've bought into it as well. Believe it if you must and stand by for the next session.

George W. Bush is a Lying Gutless Coward
The "Village Idiot" in the White House is a Lying Gutless Coward!

Hugh Hewitt is a Spinless Ferret-faced Weasel who supports the War Criminal Bush!

Osama bin Laden is free today because of the total incompetence of George W. Bush & Dick Cheney!!

Cheney & Bush should be Impeached, tried for War Crimes then sentenced to Life in Prison!


Dennis M. writes

Dennis M. writes
They understand that the war is controversial. They will not be demoralized by the normal functioning of American democracy.

Ironically, Hewitt trashed John Kerry for his apparant insult to the intelligence of U.S. servicemen….. Servicemen are smart enough to understand how democracy works.
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First of all, we aren’t a democracy. We are a representative Republic and there is a big difference in the two.

2nd. He said encourage the enemy which is also different that discourage the troops. Any person who has been in a war knows that the more “encouraged” the enemy is, the harder they fight.

In a representative republic, the representatives are supposed to keep the battles over how to fight a war behind closed doors and not on the nightly news for the very reason that what they say could “encourage” the enemy. In a democracy, we, the voters, would decide how to fight the war. That is why we aren’t a democracy. Our Founders knew the danger of democracies. Yet, that is exactly what socialists call for, a democracy.

From their own principles and strategy on the socialist party of the U.S. we find
Quote:
The Socialist Party strives to establish a radical democracy……
Snip------------------------
Radical democracy is the cornerstone not only of our socialism, but also of our strategy.
Snip-----------------------
A society based on radical democracy, with power exercised through people's organizations,
Snip----------------------
Our tactics in the struggle for radical democratic change……
Snip--------------------
While a minority, we fight for progressive changes compatible with a socialist future. When a majority we will rapidly introduce those changes which constitute socialism,
http://www.onelife.com/social/princ.html
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Kerry and others who get on the nightly news are socialists. They want to wage this war in public and with public support and that encourages the enemy because they see a divided nation. That is why, the Commander in Chief was created by the founders where one man, the President, would be in charge of military action and Congress would authorize the use of the military and fund it.

Now, since the socialists are going to continue to fund the military they authorized to act, and they are only posturing for votes, they are encouraging the enemy whether they demoralize our troops or not every time they get on TV.

There job is to fight this out behind closed doors and present a unified front when on the media. Too bad they are more concerned about votes than they are our troops lives. It doesn’t matter if you are for or against the war, how you fight one once we are in it, is very important and you don’t fight over tactics in public.

myopine
agreed, we had no choice. no way al gore or lurch should have been President. That said, I'm about ready to impeach the current one over amnesty and open borders. if amnesty passes, I'll probably quit voting (haven't missed one since 1978 when I was old enough to vote). If amnesty can be stopped, it should be THE issue in 2008. I believe the future of America depends on getting control of the inundation across our borders. I will not vote for anyone unwilling to represent AMERICAN CITIZENS and not citizens of other countries illegally in our country. The pandering is sickening.

You believe MSM?
Take a lunch with you. This is 10 years of MSM fabrication.
http://www.mrc.org/archive/realitycheck/welcome.asp

If you are still naive enough to take MSM at face value now there is no hope for you.
When AP gets caught FABRICATING PRO ISLAMONAZI news, doctoring photos and spinning Anti-American rumor as fact, it causes me to wonder if perhaps they are being bribed to do it.
I don't see any other obvious reason.
_______________________________________
Slacker;
We know Bush is Liberal on many issues.
The only other choice we had was Hanoi KERRY!

Big Tent Fantasy
"Republicans disagree among themselves on scores of issues. It is genuinely a big tent party, and rarely if ever does the “base” demand party discipline."

So Tom Delay was called "The Hammer" because he was Mr. Sensitive?

Got a good laugh out me there Hugh.

Defy and Tom Delay and find out just how "Big Tent" the patry was when he was around.

Are you really that naive Hugh?


democracy/republic
Enough with the 'we're not a democracy, we're a republic'...Yes, we are not a classical Greek Democracy...The following dictionaries, which are common references, would uphold Dennis M's point.


de·moc·ra·cy
1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
2. a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies.
3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
4. political or social equality; democratic spirit.
5. the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.

Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.


re·pub·lic
A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president.
A nation that has such a political order.
A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.
A nation that has such a political order.

A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.
same sphere or field: the republic of letters.


The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition


Our allies Saudis/Sunnis/al Qaeda?
Chess with Tehran
by James Woolsey
Ynetnews.com (Israel), January 25, 2007

At this point it is important to understand the meaning of the events of 1979. This was the key year of the modern explosion in fanaticism in this part of the world and produced an intense increase of Saudi Wahabi fanaticism, as expressed in the madrasas of the Middle East and Pakistan as well as in the sermons and mosques in the United States.

Little boys are being taught to dream of being suicide bombers in both Pakistani madrasas and in the West Bank with Wahabi oil money, and that money is a huge part of our problem.

I believe that although the Wahabis, al-Qaeda, and the Mullah’s regime in Tehran are often lethally competitive with one another, they are capable of unification. Those who say that these movements will never work together because of their ideology are precisely as correct as those who in the 1930s said that the communists and the Nazis would never work together. They didn’t, until they did.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3356823,00.html

Democratic Politics
Democratic politics has sadly turned into nothing but the part of antithesis. I have been convinced over the last 2 years (in particular), that the democrats only purpose for existance is to simply oppose everything the administration does.

Every general that's ever spoken on Iraq has said two keys things, which democrats pretend to not hear. 1) We can succeed in Iraq. 2) It will be a hard and painstaking process to succeed.

But why would democrats give credence to the Generals and the experts on the ground when they can rely on the expertise of such politicians as Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy and the other cast of characters making up the party of antithesis?

As a retired military veteran, its sickens me to see the democrats undermining our efforts in Iraq. Having retired just recently, I have quite a few friends serving in Iraq and they tell me to the man that real progress is being made in Iraq and their biggest fear is that the democrats will pull the rug out from under them.

People of America, its simple. If the democrats succeed, we will lose in Iraq. The party of antithesis has a right to speak, but we should ignore what they're saying.

slacker, JF, B-Rob, religiouslib
Come on folks. I was just getting warmed up.

DavidMac asks
"Slacker, why do you think the MSM never reports enemy casualties, but reports American casualties everyday, all day? Answer honestly: have you EVER seen a total number of terrorists killed? All you hear is, "Bush killed 600,000 Iraqis."

Answer 1) The MSM never reports enemy casualties because the administration and our military do not feed them those statistics. When they are fed the statistics they report them. The administration and our military learned well that body counts do not mean anything out of context. In the Vietnam war for instance we were treated after every battle that there 10, 20, or 50 Vietcong or North Vietnamese killed for every American. It did no good to report this information.

We still lost, and the lower level officers were all snarled up in getting body count data back up the chain to please the pentagon and political hacks. They knew then and they know now that body counts are not a metric that tells you anything significant about your progress in the war out of context. If they wanted body counts posted every week the military would get that information out and into the MSM. Our military is not so stupid that they can't figure out how to do that. And you're not so stupid as to believe they are or that daily body counts would persuade Americans everything was going great in Baghdad either.

Answer 2) I have not seen any body counts for Iraqis I trust. I do know that last year the Iraqi government clamped down and stopped reporting that information (which is one reason why the MSM doesn't report body counts consistently). I have never heard that Bush killed 600,000 Iraqis, either.

B-Rob
If you will open your eyes and see what happened in that election you will notice The CONSERVATIVE cause was advanced by replacing LIBERAL Republicans with Conservative Democrats.

Our Republican Party has grown so much like the Democrat Party it is often hard to tell the difference.
Liberals actually LOST power in that last election.
The only thing you gained is the gavel.
Did you notice it doing the Republicans any good?

NOW DEMOCRATS HAVE THE BALL!
Watch them FUMBLE!

I had put off signing the pledge
because my Senator is none other than Barbara Boxer Shorts.

But I decided to lend my voice any way, and just signed. Not only that, but I just sent an email into the viper's pit(ssssssssss)!

And believe it or not, I was actually courteous to the Senator, and did not call her a Leftie Loser even once!

Just a side note


 SO NOW YOU MIGHT VOTE FOR HILLARY?  THINK ABOUT IT FIRST......
      This is what happens when you have dirt on the Clintons
:
      1 - James McDougal - Clinton 's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement.  He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
      2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July
1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .  The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
      3 - Vince Foster - Former white House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm.  Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
      4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman.
Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash.  A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound.  At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.
      5 - C. Victor Raiser II and Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
      6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992... Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor."
      7- Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November
1993 deep in
the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head.  Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House.  Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
      8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .  Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock .  Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton .  He allegedly threatened to reveal this information.  After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
      9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide.  It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas .
      10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide.  He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
      11- Kathy Ferguson, ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head.  It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere.  Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit.  Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
      12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson.  Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
      13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994.  His client was a convicted drug distributor.
      14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case.  He died of three gunshot wounds.
      15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General.  Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide.  Was pregnant at the time of her death.
      16 - Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from
1978 until her death December 9, 1992.  She died in a one car accident.
      17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority.  He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
      18 - Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment.  Had delivered a report to Janet Reno three weeks before his death
      19 - Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment balcony August15, 1993.  He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.
      20 - Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang.  Cause of death unknown.  Died November 29, 1996.  Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
      21- Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
      22 - Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee, died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash.  Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.
      23 - Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death was no accident.
      24 - Johnny Lawhorn Jr.  - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop.  He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
      25 - Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guarantee.  His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
      26- Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1,
1994 when his plane exploded.
      27 - Kevin Ives and Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track"
case.  Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation.  A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks.  Later reports claim the two boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks.  Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
      THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY
CASE:
      28 - Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July 1988.
      29 - Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
      30 - Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
      31 - Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
      33 - James Milan - Found decapitated.  However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes."
      34 - Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
      35 - Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths.  He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
      THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD: 36 - Major William S.
Barkley Jr.  37 - Captain Scott J. Reynolds 38 - Sgt.  Brian Hanley
39 -
Sgt.  Tim Sabel 40 - Major General William Robertson 41 - Col. William Densberger 42 - Col.  Robert Kelly 43 - Spec. Gary Rhodes 44 - Steve Willis
45 - Robert Williams 46 - Conway LeBleu 47 - Todd McKeehan

B-Rob
Perhaps you should reread my last post.

The President has to work with a Democrat Congress and so he obliged them. Haven't they been screaming for years that the President needs a new course in Iraq? Haven't they been trying to crusify Rumsfeld?

What would you have done with a hostile Congress? Aggrivate them further. I believe it's called making concessions. It would be nice if he would get the same in kind.

Sometimes when a new strategy is to be implemented you have to make changes at the top. Generals are like everyone else in that they have there own independent ideas, it doesn't make them right or wrong until they've had an opportunity to implement their plan. Fresh eyes with a new attitude and a new strategy are probably a good idea in most cases.

General Abizaid is retiring this summer. Good time to get him out so he has some time to transition. General Case has been nominated for a promotion, and to be chief of staff of the Army. Doesn't sound to me like he has been slighted or fired.

Most Politicians will change their positions depending on which way the wind is blowing. In the case of these Repubs they are attempting to position themselves so they can survive politicly regardless of the outcome in Iraq. It's all about getting reelected.

I believe some of the Democrats that are opposed to the surge now were badgering the Sec Def and the president for more troops just a few months ago. As for the media. Have a look here.

http://www.mrc.org/realitycheck/2007/fax20070111.asp


Man With The Big Iron
Are you trying to commit suicide?

The NRSC committed suicide
before the last election when they sent out two different solicitations with "letters" from disgusting moderates like John McCain and Rudy Giuliani. Did they think daftly that the GOP base had miraculously turned as moderate as the GOP Senate???? I knew right then that the centrist Liberal Lites had taken over the GOP. It is folly to give to the GOP or the NRSC or the NRCC. I choose to be the captain of my own money instead of letting the Liberal Lites be the arbiters of my political interests. Lately, I see no reason to even support the GOP at all any more.

The GOP is in the same ol', same ol' ESTABLISHMENT POLITICS in bed with the Democrats. They have become indistinguishable from each other. They are no longer the party of embracing new ideas. What did they do with the bi-partisan sponsored Fair Tax? They shelved it. 59 Congressmen supported it without solicitation from John Linder, its primary sponsor, or anybody else, but it never made it out of committee for a floor vote. The GOP Senate couldn't even pass a law defining marriage as between a man and a woman. Is this a Conservative GOP??? My "bleep"!

It's encouraging to see Hugh Hewitt opening his eyes for once. Welcome to the Revolution, Hugh. Nice to see you've finally arrived. The GOP lost us a while back. We on the Ultra-Right have not had a party to call our own for quite sometime now here in the wilderness of political irrelevance. It's about time that you talk-show pundits get on the anti-GOP, anti-TREASON, pro-Constitution, pro-American sovereignty bandwagon of TRUE CONSERVATISM.

It's no longer enough to just sit back on your show and trash Liberals. That's old news; everybody here and in radioland knows Liberals are blithering idiots and will always continue to be blithering idiots until they die and go to Hell for supporting Abortion genocide at which time they will reconsider their reprobate mindset for eternity but it will be, alas, too late.

Responding to Liberals is not so much speaking truth to power as it is speaking truth to lunacy. Cease and desist from such folly; it is an exercise in futility and a terrible waste of one's precious time. We have to get our Conservative base on the same base and quit wasting time trying to get Liberals on the same base. That's like teaching frogs to read; it's not going to happen - EVER! Let them be frogs; let them croak!(pun intended;?) It's completely non-productive for building Conservative victories. I think it would behoove you talk show pundits to finally realize that - the sooner, the better.

If we don't get OUR Conservative base on the same base soon, we will get our butts kicked even worse in 2008. It's long past time to name names. It's time for some discipline. We have to hold the GOP in DC accountable; they must be put on notice that the Conservative base will stay home even more so in 2008 if change is not seen in DC in short order. We are watching and observing and even planning to start a third party in earnest. If coalition government is called for in DC, so be it. The Ultra-Conservatives and Christians will have a seat in DC somewhere at the table whether the GOP and Libs want us there or not.

Stand up America
I am disheartened, but not discouraged!

We are too far away, in time, from the travesty that was our failure to suppoet Vietnam. The pain, suffering and loss of esteem our nation went through after the fall of Vietnam by abandoning a friend and allie (resulting from a Democatic Congress defunding that allie), lost us respect thoughout the world and this has been forgotten by a generation. Except for a brief period of estute leadership by the Reagan administrations this respect has continued to dwindle even to this day.

Why is this the case? Our nation has the greatest military power the world has ever seen, coupled with a moral, generous people second to none in the world.

In my opinion, in both the Vietnam war and the current war, we have allowed "freedom of the press", an ultra liberal-almost socialist one-mouthing the agenda of the left wing liberals, erode the support of our people through a hostile and negative barrage of attacks on the Commander's in Chief that has encouraged our enemies. The same individuals at work back then are still working their insidious plans today. The American people have no stomach for long wars, and they know this. Our only victories of late have come in Grenada and the first Gulf war where victories were measured in months, not years. Even in this current war we were victorious very quickly in our original goal of regime change but early mistakes allowed the insurgents to gain momentum in their efforts to foment a civil war.

We are now, as we were in Vietnam, exposed to "body counts" that pull at the hearts of our people, and their imaginations, that it could be their childs death, even though the number of deaths is far less than those in other wars. Again, it's the length of the war not the severity.

What Americans, and the world, should take note on is that our enemies are in this for the long term. They are not concerned about deaths-not theirs nor, certainly, ours. They continue to show the patience of a cunning predator hunting its prey-stealthily. After all, they waited 8 years for a second chance at taking down the Twin Towers. They didn't stand idle dduring that period but honed their skills with other actions against embassies, barracks and our naval ship. There is no doubt that they are planning other attacks today to be implemented in their own time.

How are we preparing for this eventuality? By crying and weeping and playing the blame game with our own government against the Commander in Chief. How can a group (our Congress) of supposedly intelligent beings be so misguided and greedy in the pursuit of their own purposes (being re-elected) subject our country, and its people, to the certainties of the terrorists goals? Our annihilation.


MyOpine
Naa, I’m just inviting them to a party. Remember, I’m making a list and checking it twice.

Old Man, you hit the nail on the head with a 20# sledge. Good shot.

Sentry tries to answer but gets a D-
His answer:

"Rumsfeld was replaced because the Democrats would have had him testifying every other day and he would have been too distracted to manage the DOD effectively.... The President has to work with a Democrat Congress and so he obliged them..."

You get a D- for at least showing up and making a feeble attempt to answer the question. But its a glib and silly answer.

First, you only answered for the Rumsfeld replacement. Second your answer does not make any sense. If we were winning in Iraq, and Rumsfeld was, as Cheney said, a great SOD, then Bush would have been a fool to replace him to prevent him from constantly testifying to Congress. There are plenty of ways to handle that without firing him. Third this doesn't explain why Bush would go on TV and say we are NOT winning, etc. thus supposedly joining hands with the traitorous MSM to undercut his own winning strategy. Absurd.

Even I don't think Bush is this stupid and cowardly. And if you believe that he is you are making Bush into a completely incompent boog who fired his SOD and put the whole war effort in jeopardy to appease a few congressmen who criticized him. No way.

For anyone who missed the question Sentry flunked out on and cares it is:

IF THINGS ARE GOING SO WELL IN IRAQ AND THE MSM IS LYING WHEN IT SAYS THEY ARE NOT, then WHY did Bush fire is Secretary of Defense, go on National TV and say we made mistakes and are not winning, replace his key generals on the ground there, and shake up his whole diplomatic team for that country.

Slacker that one has been refuted.
I know you must have something new to discourage the war effort. That is what you are trying to do isn't it?
That one about Rumsfeld is old and worn out.

Saudi Arabia + Pakistan = al Qaeda
"After all, they waited 8 years for a second chance at taking down the Twin Towers."

Yes, al Qaeda is not only deadly, but patient. And who supports al Qaeda? Our allies, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Tell me, who will pay for this mistake?

Should I purge myself from GOP?
I don't totally disagree with Hugh Hewitt. It's looking like getting involved in Iraq in the first place was a mistake (though not the simple matter of "Bush lied, people died" that leftists claim) but I agree we need to try to win there now if at all possible, since there will be bad consequences if we lose or give up. I even support the "surge", though I don't have a lot of confidence it will make a difference. I'd rather the Congressional resolutions against the "surge" didn't pass, and it's true the people who support such actions ought to think hard about whether they want to encourage our enemies in this way.

But I think reasonable people can disagree on this, and Hewitt's campaign to brand Republican dissenters against the war or the "surge" as traitors to country and party, strikes me as a bad move. For one thing, as a matter of practical politics right now, a political party consistingly solely of unconditional gung-ho supporters of the war may end up being a very small party indeed.

And when Hewitt talks about purging anti-war Republicans, I think about one I respect and admire, Ron Paul of Texas, who is considering a run for President. If he does, and makes it as far as my state's primary, I'll vote for him. I don't expect him to win the nomination or the election, but a vote for him would signal the direction I'd like to see the GOP move in-- away from intrusive religious/social "culture war" conservatism, away from big-government "compassionate conservatism", and towards genuine small-government libertarian conservatism.

I don't agree entirely with Paul's view that since we shouldn't have gotten into Iraq in the first place, we should get out now regardless of the consequences. But I respect his view; he's certainly not someone who supported the war when it was going well and now wants to crawfish out. The GOP needs Paul's voice, and if the party follows Hewitt's advice and tries to purge him as an outcast because of his maverick views, I'll decide the Republicans don't want my vote or my support either.


take back the government
where do i start.

first not all christians support conservative or ultra conservative ideaology.
in fact there are millions of us who are liberal because of our christian faith and values.

second, we are all americans and must find a way to work together. talk of revolution is in the same category of the leftists of the 60's, who had similiar radical views to you.


No Party is worth it
No Democrat or Republican is worth more then National Security. This country and our troops are counting on our elected officials to do their part in securing the safety of this country. The troops are doing their part. We know where the Democrats stand on patriotism and National Security. We should expect more from the Republicans, not only because there must be one party this country can count on to protect it and the American people, but because we put them there. You don't hold true to Conservatism only when the Republicans are in power, but hold true to Conservatism when the Democrats are in power also. Switching sides when the going get tough is the same as cutting and running. If it was this easy for Warner to come up with a resolution to please the Democrats, then we should question his true heart and where does it line with the people who put him there to represent their ideas, not the Democrats propaganda. When this country, our troops, and possible future attacks are at stake, we can't afford to have any closet Democrats in the party who are so easily persuaded to understand Democratic reasoning.

maverick
could it be that the reason you are in the minority both as a party and as an idealogue is that you are wrong.

i guess in your mind the 70% of americans who disagree with you are not only wrong but traitors.

sorry, you are out of the mainstream and have been marginalized.

A stumbling giant with it's LEFT brain -
- tied behind it's back!

In the past, America was a giant, unified in its purpose and with unmatched intellect.

Unfortunately, that time has long gone!

America today finds itself:

* disunited and divided
* lacking moral clarity

Political dissent, always a welcome commodity in America's freewheeling debates, has sunk to the level of treason.

The 'opposition', once meant to provide a differing viewpoint - or, even play devil's advocate - now seeks political gain from America's missteps.

ON THE PLUS SIDE!
We're lucky that our current enemies are mired in the mystical muck of the 7th century! It is telling that we are unable to muster a united front against these cave dwellers. If they were any smarter, we would be in real trouble ..

Another side note. Fact?

> >>>>THIS WILL OPEN YOUR EYES by Paul Harvey
> >>>>
> >>>>Conveniently Forgotten Facts Back in 1969 a group of Black
> >>>>Panthers decided that a fellow black panther named...Alex Rackley needed to die.
> >>>>Rackley was suspected of disloyalty.
> >>>>
> >>>>Rackley was first tied to a chair. Once safely immobilized, his
> >>>>friends tortured him for hours by, among other things, pouring
> >>>>boiling water on him. When they got tired of torturing Rackley,
> >>>>Black Panther member Warren Kimbo took Rackley outside and put a bullet in his head.
> >>>>
> >>>>Rackley's body was later found floating in a river about 25 miles
> >>>>north of New Haven, Conn. Perhaps at this point you're curious as
> >>>>to what happened to these Black Panthers. In 1977, that's only
> >>>>eight years later, only one of the killers was still in jail.
> >>>>
> >>>>The shooter, Warren Kimbro, managed to get a scholarship to
> >>>>Harvard and became good friends with none other than Al Gore. He
> >>>>later became an assistant dean at an Eastern Connecticut State
> >>>>College. Isn't that something? As a '60s radical you can pump a
> >>>>bullet into someone's head and a few years later, in the same
> >>>>state, you can become an assistant college dean! Only in America!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Erica Huggins was the lady who served the Panthers by boiling the
> >>>>water for Mr. Rackley's torture. Some years later Ms. Huggins was
> >>>>elected to a California School Board.
> >>>>
> >>>>How in the world do you think these killers got off so easy?
> >>>>
> >>>>Maybe it was in some part due to the efforts of two people who
> >>>>came to the defense of the Panthers. These two people actually
> >>>>went so far as to shut down Yale University with demonstrations in
> >>>>defense of the accused Black Panthers during their trial.
> >>>>
> >>>>One of these people was none other than Bill Lan Lee. Mr. Lee, or Mr.
> >>>>Lan Lee, as the case may be, isn't a college dean. He isn't a
> >>>>member of a California School Board. He was head of the US Justice
> >>>>Department's Civil Rights Division, appointed by none other than Bill Clinton.
> >>>>
> >>>>O.K., so who was the other Panther defender?
> >>>>
> >>>>Is this other notable Panther defender now a school board member?
> >>>>
> >>>>Is this other Panther apologist now an assistant college dean?
> >>>>
> >>>>No, neither! The other Panther defender was, like Lee, a radical
> >>>>law student at Yale University at the time. She is now known as
> >>>>the "one of the smartest woman in the world" (and may well become
> >>>>the next president of the United States).
> >>>>
> >>>>She is none other than the Democratic senator from the State of
> >>>>New York----our former First Lady, the incredible Hillary Rodham Clinton.
> >>>>
> >>>>And now, as Paul Harvey said; You know "the rest of the story".
> >>>>
> >>>>Pass this on! This deserves the widest possible press.
> >>>>
> >>>>Also remember it, if and when she runs for President

Man With The Big Iron
You know Hillary keeps a list.

You failed to mention the woman who shot herself in the back of the head used a rifle.
Sure that was suicide! You believe it don't you?

Professor Slacker
Had I known you were the appointed comment grader I surely would have checked and rechecked my punctuation, spelling and grammar.

As a distinguished and politically savvy blogger I'm sure you're not as naive as you appear to be on your last post. Let me expound.

#1 A few congressmen? They won the majority.

#2 Why would the President want to put his longest serving cabinet member, close adviser and respected civil servant thru the daily feeding frenzy of a hostile congress. Have you not seen how he's been grilled in the past? Believe it or not loyalty does mean something to him.

#3.Why would the Sec Def want to be grilled daily by a hostile Congress.

#4. Your dillusional if you think the military cannot function without the Sec Def. Their just a figurehead for the beauracracy my astute professor.

#5. You don't think the president would have replaced him before the election in order to salvage some milk toast, wobbly kneed, mammas boy votes if he was such a failure?

#6. The enemy is very patient.

#7. Don Rumsfeld understood this and it has been overlooked by almost everyone. The war on terror is going to be a long and protracted conflict which must be fought without draining our resources. We have to outlast them.

Professor slacker, again I must apologise for my punctuation, spelling and grammar.

I'm only a high school graduate so please take that into consideration on your next evaluation.

Professor slacker
Concerning the generals and changes in strategy, I'll just post what I posted in an earlier response.

The President has to work with a Democrat Congress and so he obliged them. Haven't they been screaming for years that the President needs a new course in Iraq? Haven't they been trying to crusify Rumsfeld?

What would you have done with a hostile Congress? Aggrivate them further. I believe it's called making concessions. It would be nice if he would get the same in kind.

Sometimes when a new strategy is to be implemented you have to make changes at the top. Generals are like everyone else in that they have there own independent ideas, it doesn't make them right or wrong until they've had an opportunity to implement their plan. Fresh eyes with a new attitude and a new strategy are probably a good idea in most cases.

General Abizaid is retiring this summer. Good time to get him out so he has some time to transition. General Case has been nominated for a promotion, and to be chief of staff of the Army. Doesn't sound to me like he has been slighted or fired.

Most Politicians will change their positions depending on which way the wind is blowing. In the case of these Repubs they are attempting to position themselves so they can survive politicly regardless of the outcome in Iraq. It's all about getting reelected.

I believe some of the Democrats that are opposed to the surge now were badgering the Sec Def and the president for more troops just a few months ago. As for the media. Have a look here.

http://www.mrc.org/realitycheck/2007/fax20070111.asp

Poll results
Since poll results don't mean a lot, we can't say this next result is that accurate but, I wouldn't be suprised if it was.

CNN, just before the last election asked voters how satisfied they were with Congress for the last year.

13% were satisfied, 85% not, and 2% were scratching their head.

They asked what the thought the Democrat Congress would do after they won and the hopes are high. Up in 60% range in some questions.

However, I wonder what they will say after a year of stalemates only this time with the Republicans blocking the Democrats.

I wouldn't be suprised by 2008, that we see some Constitution Party or Libertarian Party candidates elected to the House.

Not that they will be able to change anything either, but voters are getting fed up with both major parties.

Professor slacker
And finally to refresh your memory of what I shared with you earlier today and to let everyone else who might read this post see the full text which you referenced.

"Rumsfeld was replaced because the Democrats would have had him testifying every other day and he would have been too distracted to manage the DOD effectively.

Are you trying to tell me that in the last war you executed that you didn't make any mistakes? Mistakes are made in every single operation. That does not make it a disaster. It makes it a war.

I know the last war I participated in we made quite a few. But that was under a Democrat President so it doesn't count.

The President has to work with a Democrat Congress and so he obliged them. Haven't they been screaming for years that the President needs a new course in Iraq? Haven't they been trying to crusify Rumsfeld?

What would you have done with a hostile Congress? Aggrivate them further. I believe it's called making concessions. It would be nice if he would get the same in kind.

It's not so much that they occassionaly lie. It's repeating and amplifying the negative daily. Report the bad news report the good news and move on. Or perhaps they could even help the military ucceed by putting a positive spin on the effort. The media doesn't have an interest in putting a positive spin on Iraq. Reality check, Iraq is part of the war on terror and war is not pretty, easy, fun or desireable. But once you have commited get the politicians out of the way and fight the war.

Once the media and the opposition party got their rythm going they got the bubble so fogged up the politicians and some of the public couldn't see thru it."


Getting down to basics
That's something no one does regarding Iraq.

Let's backtrack just a bit.

What group of Iraqis, besides a few exiles wining and dining Wolfowitz in DC have been loyal allies of ours since the beginning of the conflict?

If you know the answer, then ask yourself why we continue to marginalize and backstab those who have supported us and admire us.

Then ask yourself which ethnic group in Iraq has established a democratic tradition for 15 years, which ethnic group has fought side by side with Americans with valor and integrity.

Talk of victory is hallow when we fail to even recognize those who are our allies and those who have sacrificed and fought for freedom and democracy.

Number of times Hugh Hewitt has mentioned the long suffering and American allied ethnic group in Iraq - Zero.

So, Hugh, do you actually follow events in Iraq?

HEWITT HAS GONE OFF THE DEEP END
Honestly, he seems better suited to work in the old KGB then in a free America. Since when is disagreeing with the President equal giving aid and comfort to the enemy??!! The old saying that "patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels" never seemed more true. This "pledge" is genuinely ccreepy, and smacks of authoritarianism. Wevare better then that...as Republicans and Americans. Small minded absolutists like Hewitt can alsways be found to excuse the worst mistakes, attack the motives of critics and impugn their honor with thinly veiled charges of treason. They propagate under tyrants, and undermine the workings of legitimate democratic governance, which we see now. Bush is no tyrant, yet Hewitt seems to want to invest our President with near despotic powers by encouraging this 'enemies of the state' rhetoric. Enough of this buffoon.

America is voting like Spain
I'm halfway through mark Steyn's book [any reader here should know its name] an it is clear that in the last election, America was Spain. And as Steyn says, "the rain in Spain falls mainly on the slain". They all claimed unity after their 3/11/03 bombing and three days later, they walked into the voting booths and voted for capitulation, just as our Senate is doing. And that's a "Muslim" Senate because the Virginia Muslim PAC urged all 60,000 registered Muslims voters to vote for democrats. Webb won by around 7500 votes. Does anyone think that even 100 Muslim votes in VA were not for Webb?

535 Muslim official = Sharia Law. STOP BEING SPAINARDS!

PaulE worships at the wrong church..
the "church of man', the "church of humanity" are unworthy of worship and worse are idolatrous. Worship at the feet of a fallen being who is full of sin and in need of redemption will lead you astray every time.

No wonder you got it so wrong. The "collective" loses once again.

Peace

tough love
I have heard of Gen. Petreaus' toughness. We have an example of this in his straight up responses to questions at the Senate Armed Forces Committee hearings on his nomination to command the forces in Iraq.

Hugh Hewitt has the same sort of toughness now making itself felt on a different battlefield.

It doesn't matter that these two men and those who agree with them are late starters in the wars against Islamic terror and political cowardice. The point is that something positive and good has been started that for a change bodes well for for the safety and unity of America.

Sentry, no need to repost your thoughts
They are no more correct now then they were when you first posted them.

The decision to replace the SOD was NOT made after the election. It was made well before the election. Bush admitted he lied when he said Rumsfeld would not be replaced before the election and that he had already picked Gates as his successor. He said he lied before the election because he thought if he told the truth he had lost faith in Rumsfeld and needed to replace him the republicans would lose congress. They lost anyway.

I have never said the military should function without a SOD. I never said that no mistakes are ever made in wars. I just said that the REASON RUMSFELD WAS REPLACED and the administration's Iraq strategy has been changed WAS THAT BUSH KNOWS THAT THINGS ARE NOT GOING WELL IN IRAQ and we are losing. Essentially, the MSM has been right when they report that. The president has just confirmed it, loudly and clearly.

That is the point you took issue with against me. Your point seems to be that the MSM and liberals like me make the situation in Iraq out to be a disaster when in your opinion it is a actually a great success for American diplomacy and our military. You claim there is a hidden, convoluted, explanation for the change in strategy that has to do more with political appeasement of the presidents opposition than with the need to update a failed strategy.

Now you seem to be backtracking a bit. Perhaps you now agree with me that Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush have executed a failed strategy in Iraq and Bush needs to fix the chaos they created. He did this by admitting to mistakes on TV and that we are losing. He then fired Rumsfeld and replaced the generals associated with the failed strategy. He is also updating the diplomatic team that promoted that strategy to the Iraqis.

My main point is that the only realistic explanation for the new "surge" escalation approach is to take Bush at his word that we are losing and his previous strategy has failed. It is preposterous to claim that the reason Bush is promoting a new strategy (which most democrats and many republicans oppose) is to prostrate himself before a new democrat majority (by 1 tenuous seat in the Senate) and appease by trashing a supposedly successful war effort on which the survival of Iraq and much of our own fate for the next generation or two depends.

If you now see the light and the obvious truth of what I am saying, I am once again, as usual, vindicated. I will chalk up another conversion of a lost soul from the thralls of the crazed neo-con fog machine and the right wing nut farm to the truth. The light of truth may be harsh, and sometimes blinding, but it lights the way forward.

http://www.joebiden.com

The pdf document "Iraq: the way forward".


slacker
Have you read anything I wrote? I now realize that this was an excercize in futility. As it seems to be on most if not all blogs. I truly believe someday you will be able see through the fog of war, fog of the media and the fog of politics.

Sentry
Looking at the comments between you and Slacker, you seem to be much more in the fog then he is. I often disagree with slacker, but I think he has the right of this debate.

celtic-dragon writes:
celtic-dragon writes:

Since when is disagreeing with the President equal giving aid and comfort to the enemy??!!

Not when we do it. That is part of what makes America great. It is only when our representatives do it in public to get votes or to win political points.

As stated earlier, we are not a democracy where the people decide the issues. We are a representative Republic where representatives, in a time of war or national emergency are supposed to fight these issues out behind closed doors and then present a unified front to the enemy in a military action.

Even the most simple person understands the need for that because to do otherwise gives "aid and confort" to the enemy. Just knowing you are attacking a nation that is divided give you hope and motivation to continue the fight. Add on that the fact we left Vietnam because we were divided, and you have even more "aid and comfort" given to the enemy.

I don't want them to "agree with the President." I just want them to keep their mouth shut in public. I wouldn't care if they pulled out of there tomorrow if that was what they decided tomorrow behind closed doors. I wouldn't care if they leveled Baghdad if that is what they decided behind closed doors.

They are traitors if they debate this in public because they are helping the enemy recruit more funding and terrorists by showing them our weakness of resolve.

celtic-dragon
I just read your previous post and I can see why you would feel that way. There's obviously no preconcieved opinions that have influenced you decision.


Thanks, Celtic-Dragon
We are both in the right on this one.

We are still a free country and in part the war on terrorists is a struggle to keep it that way. I think we can agree we lose a lot of what makes this country special and a beacon of hope to most of the rest of the world if we allow public criticism of public officials and policy a crime or label it treasonous or "aiding and abetting the enemy".

In any case the so-called senate resolution is non-binding and has no effect on Bush's "surge". Would it be nice if everyone agreed publicly with Bush that the surge is the right thing to do and make their opposition know only in private?

Perhaps, if they have only minor concerns. If they are convinced, however, it will make things worse not better and sincerely believe that by voicing their opposition a genuine debate will lead to a better strategy it is not at all obvious to me that they should hide their opposition. I believe this is the case with Warner, Hagel, and Biden, for example. I do not think any of these are dishonorable or treasonous men. McCain (and Lindsay Graham to some extent) support the surge and are on record arguing for more troops in Iraq long ago when Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Casey and other administration were saying that it was not needed.

It is also human nature and the intent of our form of government is that politicians stand up and voice the opinion of the people that elect them. We live in a representative democracy. Politicians who refuse to publicly voice the opposition of their constituents to important public policy issues do so at their own peril. It is silly to expect them to do so. Especially when there is a deep feeling among Americans that things are not well in Iraq the the administration is not achieving our objectives. This feeling among the electorate is as crystal clear to our enemies as it is to us without any senator having to utter a single word. All the enemy has to do is look at the election results. So it is giving very little new information or encouragement to the enemy for representatives to voice the opinion of their constituents on this topic.

In fact our enemies should be afraid that if we honestly and openly discuss this America will in the end be more likely to find and support the strategy that will ultimately defeat them.

Finally, just as any senate resolution is non binding, so is this so-called pledge. People can sign that pledge all they want but 2008 is a long time from now. By then we will know if the critics of the surge are correct on not. If it turns out they are people who signed it may find themselves looking at voting for someone like Hagel, Clinton or throwing their vote away. If it turns out Hagel was right and they are not liberals like me I think they will think they would be foolish to abstain from contributing to Hagel, and not vote at all or to vote for Clinton in spite of their pledge 2 years prior.

Hmmm What is the definition of treason?

I can see why some would not like the troop increase and even that some would not like the "war" in Iraq, BUT. . .

If you give encouragement to the enemy (and any THINKING person just has to look at the facts) conclude that these public statements do encourage the enemy.

Try to place the desires of people into three columns:

1.Terrorists 2.Conservatives 3.Liberals

It soon becomes obvious that columns 1 and 3 will align almost one for one. THAT is a message for all to see.

Ed

primary money
The party's direction is defined by the primarys.The money not sent to the Rinos should be directed toward primary challengers. Could you play a part in setting up a search for candidates in those states.

Even Oliver North is against Iraq ’surge
http://www.controlcongress.com

Do you think President Bush could be doing the “surge” just to hold off a civil war till he leaves office?

DP-Virginia is home to three gallant, patriotic men with much in common. They are all three ex-Marines. They are all three highly decorated Vietnam veterans. They all sought at one time or another to be our junior senator. One lost his bid, another won his, and the third both won and lost. Our state can be proud of all three, and grateful for their service to our country.

I refer, of course, to Chuck Robb, Jim Webb and Oliver North. Strange bedfellows, nicht wahr? One may challenge any suggestion that the similarities I cited can withstand the drastically divergent political paths they have trodden since Vietnam. Before Wednesday night, I would agree, they had nothing in common. Now, it appears, George Bush has given them common cause.

North writes, “Not one of the soldiers, sailors, airmen, Guardsmen or Marines I interviewed told me that they wanted more U.S. boots on the ground. In fact, nearly all expressed just the opposite: ‘We don’t need more American troops, we need more Iraqi troops,’ was a common refrain. They are right.”

Nice try
First of all there are no "ex Marines".

2nd, the surge is targeted primarily at Bahgdad, not the Marines AOR.

3rd, the quote you used is very old and you should know the battlefield is fluid and changes daily.

4th, you probably should read Lt Col North's last post.
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