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Monday, January 22, 2007
Hugh Hewitt :: Townhall.com Columnist
Did "24" Go Too Far?
by Hugh Hewitt
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When the ABCNews.com column assignment arrived mid-morning --"Is the TV show "24" going too far by depicting a nuclear attack in Los Angeles in its opening episode?"-- the drama went out of tonight's two-hour program. Or so I thought. As zero hour approached, I found myself assuming that the program really wouldn't actually depict a nuclear detonation near Los Angeles. I noted as the show unfolded that the script had the doomsday scenario putting the casualties of such an event at somewhere north of a hundred thousand, a remarkably low estimate, and that no mention was made of the catastrophic impact of radiation sickness or the second level but still devastating impact to surrounding infrastructure, the immediate refugee problem, or the collapse of the national economy. Given that the consequences of such a blast, I found myself doubting that the program would risk absurdity by depicting a post-nuclear attack America far more simple than anyone has a right to conceive.

But blow the nuke, the writers did, and apparently there are four more where that came from. How Jack and gang deals with the aftermath remains to be seen --martial law at least from Bakersfield to San Diego, and from the Pacific to Vegas, perhaps, and a Dow 1200? -- But the question put to me remains: Did the program "go too far?"

Given that there are easily, oh, 10 million people in the world who would stand up and cheer at the real version of Monday night's fictionalized attack, and at least a few tens of thousands trying hard to do a deed of at least proportionate scale given the weaponry available, it is silly to argue that "it" couldn't possibly happen. Of course it could happen. Eventually another nuke will go off, and it is not likely to be the obvious action of a state actor. So what is the "too far" in the question supposed to mean? It can only be that "24" is engaged in fear-mongering, and that is as stupid a charge as can be made.

Would the BBC have been going "too far" if in 1937 it had broadcast a radio drama depicting life in a Hitler-authorized death camp where hundreds of thousands of Jews were being executed in gas chambers, one of a string of such camps springing up across Europe?

Would a Paris newspaper have been going "too far" if it had run a short story in 1913 supposing trench warfare that would claim millions of casualties?

Had PBS run a drama proposing a Communist massacre of millions of Cambodians in 1973 or a Rawandan genocide of more than a half million Tutsis twenty years later, would those prophecies have been going "too far?"

The problem of the last century was a failure in the imagining of evil, a failure which was in some ways evil's accomplice. "It can't happen" often masked the very unfolding of the too-awful-to-occur event.

So now a few people are shuddering that "24" has gone and done it: Blown up Los Angeles and left the most productive part of the national economy crippled and hundreds of thousands dead. An event much more likely to occur in our lifetime than any catastrophe unleashed by global warming has been put on the table (and the LCD) and suddenly tongues are wagging about responsibility.

"Israel must be wiped off the map," Iranian President Ahmadinejad has declared, and he's been repeating the same basic message for a couple of years. No "too far" language regarding him from the critics of "24" I'll wager.

It isn't "only a television show," and appeals to the First Amendment are beside the point. The key question is whether the drama is a bit of absurd science fiction, or the projection of a not-so-distant future, not in its particulars, but in its awful core depiction.

Americans don't like to think of such an attack upon America. But prior to 9/11, they didn't like to think of airplanes crashing into skyscrapers and thousands dead in a moment and the government within hours of being decapitated.

Give the producers another fistful of Emmys and settle in to see how Jack handles post-nuclear America. "OK, I think we can agree that this is a big step up from the canister plot," Dave Barry wrote on his blog in real time after the blinding flash, a reference to the rather labored plot from last year, and an indication that even the veteran humorist who has been dining out on "24" for the past few years to the delight of a huge audience was taken aback. A shock to many, an upsetting nightmare for others.

A depiction of a happy ending for our enemies.

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I hate to be the one saying it...
...but if this sort of event happened in the US, Muslims, rightly or wrongly (although it's inconceivable to me that any other group would muster the will to try to detonate a nuclear weapon on US soil), the Muslims would be held responsible by an incredibly vindictive faction of our nation. There would be a pogrom against Muslims, and quite honestly I as a citizen and as a member of the military would do nothing to stop it. Actually, if the bomb destroyed ACLU Hq, we'd kill two birds with one stone.

Leaders of the Muslim community are certainly aware of the perilous situation they are in and are most likely taking action to police their communities.

An unequivocal no
No, "24" did not go too far. They just didn't seek approval from Hollywood to upstage the Grammys or from the MSM to upstage global warming or from CAIR to depict a Muslim terrorist...

Not too far
Hugh,

I am no expert, but I remember reading somewhere that the dirty nuke suitcase bomb is horribly inneficient and would only kill a lot of people if it was detonated from the top of a tall building and if there was a lot of wind. Experts, feel free to shred this if it is an urban myth.

NO
24 is just entertainment!

Or are the nightly news shows entertainment?

I get confused and need St. Hillary's opinion.

Where is Jack when you need him?

Hugh- I know you are concerned
about the terrorists blowing up Magic Mountain and Cal Arts, but they got my ex-husband's house too, so I don't mind.

Just Kidding!

I wonder if that snow storm
up in the Santa Clarita Valley recently was actually fallout from the bomb?

Or is it another side effect of "Global Warming?"

I wonder if the terrorists' bomb will effect "Global Warming?"

If so, could Chernoble and Mt St Helens have raised world temperature one degree without any help from Greenhouse gasses?

Comrade Major- the terrorists
would never go after the ACLU.

They are too important of an ally for them.

No way...
did they go too far. They went too far by putting every reality show that's ever been on the air. What garbage. Although 24 is very far-fetched, it's literally the only TV show that I can watch for more than five seconds.

"24" did not go too far...
...they finally got it right.

And that was not the first depiction of a nuclear blast on US soil.

Most recently, we had the film version of Tom Clancy's "The Sum of All Fears"; that was actually very badly watered down from the novel, with Nazis as the main terror agents (we all know, the world is crawling with 90-year-old Aryans waiting to start the Fourth Reich).

Back when I was in high school, there was the scaremongering "The Day After." Realistic in its portrayal, perhaps, but if only we had listened to its producers and the rest of the Left, and not Ronald Reagan. Why, the good ol' Soviet Union would still be here!

PBS also aired "Threads" around the same time; similar story line, just set in Great Britain. But it looked accurate, nonetheless.

No, the Socialists are mad because "24" is calling a spade a spade, and the terrorists this season are much more realistic: Islamic fanatics who hate the West, more specifically, the US, and have no compunction about killing anyone and everyone whom they hate.

It's about freakin' time.

24 in Iran
Now, for retaliation, if I could just see Iran turned into a parking lot on the show, I'd be the MOST loyal viewer they have.

Ah, But Wait ...
to see whether 24 caves to the whining of CAIR and the PC umbrage of the ACLU like it did last year. I enjoy the show but strongly suspect we'll see a reemergence of the mysterious "bluetooth" guys who will be seen as having pulled the strings of the terrorists for their own corporate/capitalist/greedy reasons and then 24 explaining away the terrorists as just a small cadre of extremely out-of-the-mainstream of Islam radicals.

There's still 20 hours
Of Jack's day left, so don't count on those Islamic terrorists remaining Islamic terrorists. They've done that slight of hand a few times in the past five seasons. We'll see what happens.

I don't think 24 went too far. For one thing, it is fiction, but it is fiction that has always provoked thought. In the season with the bioterror weapon, a teenage boy was hired to mule it into the country. He thought it was drugs. How simple! And, extremely believable because teenagers are recruited by drug dealers to bring drugs across the border fairly regularly. It's as likely a scenario as the midnight border crossing of illegal immigrants.

I applaud the producers of 24 for being daring enough to say "You know what, we might as well depict semi-real potential events. After all, we all know the political and religious persuasion of the men who flew the airplanes into the towers."

Go, Keifer and crew! Wake people up to the realities of the situation! I won't be watching the program "on air". My husband prefers to rent it and watch it all at once, so I won't have much to comment on the weekly cycle. I certainly hope that they will show Palestinians dancing in the streets they way they did when the towers fell. Let's be honest and realistic and see what our home-grown Muslims do in response. Will they complian loudly and ask for a boycott or riot in Detroit?

The Bluetooth Crew
You are right. If I am not mistaken, the previews for tonight's episode show one of the main "Bluetoothers" consulting the Islamic terrorists.

I think you've got it wrong
I think that 24 is trying to demonstrate that the "right-wing" response to the detonation of a nuke here is all wrong and causes more trouble. You have to remember who is producing and acting in this. Keifer is not a conservative unless things have changed much for him. His father is right up there with Ed Asner in their political thinking. Why do you think that last season the real problem turned out to be the POTUS? This is very entertaining PC brainwashing at its best. Watch with a sceptical eye.

Nothing to fear
But didn't you know, there's nothing to fear from the terrorists. Rosie O'Donnell said so. "Don't fear the terrorists, they are mothers and fathers". That's what she said. And being the expert on world terrorism, she should know.

I knew she was loud and obnoxious, but include ignorant and blind.

No, I don't watch the show. I heard the clip on Bill O'Reilly's radio show the other day!


BobDoyle
Great points. I've been watching 24 since season one and there has been a vast array of races portrayed as terrorists or their allies. From Russians, to Hispanics to the President of the United States. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the show is right-wing.

The most loathsome villain in the show's history in my opinion was President Logan(white male) from last season. He was the most cowardly, treasonous slimeball you could imagine.

Jimmis
I disagree with you. PResident Logan was the second biggest treasonous slimeball. President Palmer's wife was number one in my book. Logan was the reincarnation of President Nixon.

jimmis
Thanks. Yes, it's true that all sorts of ethnic/cultural groups have been portrayed as terrorists, but those other ethnic groups don't start burning down embassies when they feel they've been portrayed poorly, so I just find it hard to believe for that reason, as well as for the reason Rich mentions, that the plot will not shift back to the politically-correct villains (white male western corporate types or pols). I also agree that Logan makes the all-time list for loathsomeness!

If a nuke were detonated in Los Angeles
Mexico would be really angry that an atomic bomb had gone off in their country.
A nuke going off in Mexico would make them especially angry because Al Qaeda and Hezbollah have both operated freely there.

Truth is stranger than fiction and a whole lot scarier.
Just Google ADNAN SHUKRIJUMAH for some very sobering realization as to how dangerous the world really is.

Did "24" go too far?
Not near as far as I believe the Islamofacist will be going in the next five years or so. I fully expect several suitcase nukes to be exploded in 4 or 5 of our major cities before 2015. With the Congress of the United States, both Democrat and Republican advocating surrender, the Bush admistration is just about all that stands in their way. After the new President is sworn in in January 2009, there will be nothing to stop them and I am sure the plans are already in place.

It's a TV show, with gravitas . . .
so does it lead or follow reality? I tend to think it's following. I liked theBaron's list, but he left off a small film aired about the time of "The Day After" called "Testament", where the punch line was "who's responsible for this??? G**D*** you!"

These are perilous times. Hard to look at any part of the world (other than the disruption of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan - a big exception, and, less seriously, the bank accounts of Rush, Hannity, Hewitt, O'Reilly, Stewart and Colbert) and say it's better off than it was on Sept 12, 2001.

Time for the greatest government in the world to start turning it around - with diplomacy, not military might.

ET

To exact vengeance...
Send Rosie O'Donnel on an in-definite tour of the Middle East.

Kangaroo
You need to go further with your thoughts....

I think President Bush should name Rosie Ambassador of Terrorist Negotiations, dispatch her to Iran, Syria, Lebanon & Iraq, and have her appeal to these human beings that have wives and children just like us.

She said it herself, we have nothing to be frightened of, so I'm sure she'd be happy to step up and serve her country courageously!

(He, he, he, he....)

Agree with Rich...
..with all the lib actors you cannot tell what they are planning. I watch with a lot of scepticism and please try to remember it is all fiction...yes..closer to what can happen given the terrorism since Sept.11..but fiction all the same and it is still Hollywood...perhaps there is still that chain to be yanked. Limbaugh being a fan is kind of confusing, but let's just remember it is coming out of 'fantasyland and it is all done for rating and $$$$$!

To Comrade Major
I wouldn't be to sure about how the US would react. After 9/11 our entire work group was marched into a conference room and given instructions from senior management that no negative comments or actions with repect to Muslims would be tolerated. Any such action would result in severe punishment including termination. I think if L.A. was nuked it would be like 9/11 over again, except that people wouldn't fall in behind the president as good this time.

question
did i miss the grammys?

Good if i did - i'm keeping my streak alive. Apathy does wonders.

BTW See "The Queen" - outstanding movie.

pogram against muslims
Deliberately sic our military and police forces on our sworn enemies? If the next big attack is worse than 9-11, this member of the armed forces is prepared to uphold his oath to protect the Constitution against all enemies.

No, they did not go far enough
Newt Gingrich testified before a Senate Committee about the danger Iran poses to America.
An EMP from a nuclear missile could cause catastrophic damage to much of our coutnry's dependence on computers, which is to say our ability to effectively retaliate against a nuclear strike after we have been hit. Very likely Iran would choose to launch an intermediate-range nuclear missile from a possibly pirated merchant vessel or clandestinely deployed submarine. It is good that a show like "24" shows to the American people in the only medium that seems to catch their attention just how dangerous it is to continue to vote for the enemy and even give credence to these craven cretins - the party of Treason, today's "Modern" Democratic Party. It's like playing with rattlesnakes; sooner or later, you're going to get fatally bitten!

http://hsgac.senate.gov/_files/111505Gingrich.pdf

They always test fresh blood
Clinton got his test very soon after he was sworn in on January 20th, 1993 when they bombed the Twin Towers in the winter of '93. Bush got his test after he was sworn in on January 20th, 2001 when the same Twin Towers were bombed in September of the same year. In 2009, you can bet your bottom dollar, whoever gets the Presidency will be challenged again in an even worse way with the loss of many more lives than 911. The bombings only get worse, not better. Our enemy grows stronger and smarter and stealthier every day. Hezbollah is thoroughly ensconced amongst us with suitcase nukes either available at their disposal now or sometime in the future with our porous border and TREASONOUS politicians in both parties who care nothing for the border and our national security in the name of getting re-elected with either Corporate America's campaign financing or the Hispanic vote. The Liberal TREASONOUS MSM is complicit by keeping the border issue completely out of the limelight. What will these TRAITORS be saying when the bombs go off and innocent American blood runs like rivers through our city sewers??? They'll just reassemble the Ecumenical Hippie Lovefest and round-the-clock candlelight vigils and tearjerk tearfests and prayer services for the dead and fly American flags and sing patriotic songs at the Capital and both parties will appear for "unity" photo ops on the steps of the Capitol and cite the Pledge of Allegiance and it will be one grand made-for-tv MSM and Hollywood production, but when it runs out of the news cycle, it'll be back to the same ol', same ol' TREASON and POLITICAL CORRECTNESS as usual. Around the world and in our own backyard, our Muslim enemieswill be celebrating in the streets and laughing their butts off at the effeminate weakness of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. More innocent Americans will have once again died in vain.

two books that will never be movies
2 books that will never be movies:
Climate of Fear by Michael Crighton
Assassins by Oliver North

Both are too un-PC.


A couple of comments...
First, I agree with many who question where this "24" will go given their past bent.

But to the two comments. First, I don't have experience with making nuclear bombs (if I did I wouldn't be able to post here, eh!?) but do have experience with operating nuclear reactors in the navy and with nuclear physics, etc. The size and portability of the suitcase nuke they used is a questionably. They showed a rather small cylindar and the suitcase seemed rather mobile. Remembering that Uranium is heavier than Lead and that carrying enough Uranium to make even a small explosion is probably too heavy for any kind of little suitcase I don't think what they depicted is very realistic--don't think there'd be enough fisile material to go "boom!"

Second, a comment that Hugh Hewitt made in the column--would we really miss such a productive area as LA (I'm thinking Hollywood; Mountain Rose, you need to get out of there! :-) if it was destroyed? Just a rhetorical question...

It's A TV Show!
My congrats to FOX and 24. Who are the majority of terrorists in this world today? Is it prejudiced? No. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck......it's a duck!

Not all Muslims are terrorists. The majority are secular Muslims who believe a "jihad" is the internal struggle between right and wrong (the way the Quran was really written!!).

I can't wait to see how this "day" plays out. My only beef is that "Heroes" is on at the same time so I have to tape it and watch it after "24"!!!!

Hollywood Did Nuke Houston...
...in Independence Day, but evacuated Houston first.



"Would the BBC have been going "too far" if in 1937 it had broadcast a radio drama depicting life in a Hitler-authorized death camp where hundreds of thousands of Jews were being executed in gas chambers?"



Would NBC have gone "too far" in 1965 had it offered as entertainment a dramatic series depicting our eventual humiliation and loss in Vietnam? Almost certainly, yes. And anyone finding entertainment value in something like that should rightly be vilified as perverse and traitorous. Right wingers on this thread who cheer on a series depicting the nuclear destruction of any American city should book one-way tickets for Afghanistan and enlist in the terrorist organization of their choice so that their fondest dreams might be the more swiftly fulfilled.

As should anyone involved in the production of said "entertainment".

How would the wingnuts feel, I wonder, if NBC offered up as entertainment the nuking of, say, Salt Lake City, Indianapolis, etc.


American Samoa
You should all go to On the Blogs on the front page, and go to Matt Lewis's article on the Dems and American Samoa. Read the second comment. It's an eye-opener.

American Samoa
You should all go to On the Blogs on the front page, and go to Matt Lewis's article on the Dems and American Samoa. Read the second comment. It's an eye-opener.

Mom
I'm just a mom. Nuclear war is fearful stuff. It does not calm me to know I am ignorant. If these fiction accounts will begin conversations on the subject of nuclear war, we will begin to learn. We must.

One thing's for sure
If - no, correction - when an American city or cities become atomized dust from a nuclear bomb that crossed our border, many, if not most, of our corrupt politicians in DC on both sides of the aisle will have American blood on their hands and what's left of their seared consciences - the Democrats already have it on theirs. What government will Americans owe allegiance to then, I wonder??? Revolution just may then be the solution to the corrupt Liberal politicians', judges', and lawyers' convolution of the US Constitution. The Democratic Party has the blood of many of the millions of victims of the Khmer Roughe genocide on its hands and the blood of many innocent Vietnamese. They have the blood of many American soldiers on their hands by their wanton treasonous behavior in both Vietnam and Iraq. When the American People see massive bloodshed the NEXT time on American soil and it is found to come from over our unsecured border, look out DC and woe to the politicians! I don't think the American People will stand for your meaningless litany of excuses and lies and reckless disregard for our security much longer when it's too late. Pro-open border/Illegal Immigration legislators will be thrown to the wolves. The bottom line is that when a government ceases to be able to perform the most basic function of government - protecting its people - the people will reclaim the government for themselves and start over from scratch.

"24" did not go too far at all.
They did bring our attention to it, however.

Right now, a large part of the fundamentalist leaders and terrorists are clogged up in Iraq. When you see the nationalities of those dead (Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.), then you realize they are not "Iraqi freedom fighters," as the MSM would have us believe.

However, if a Democrat is elected, then the first thing done will probably be a withdraw from Iraq, which opens up the schedules of many terrorist leaders and their little workers.

Also, who wants to bet that a Democrat will increase the number of educational visas available to the middle east in the name of PC? Anyone want to guess who will probably take them?

Combine that with the already porous border and, voila, one major catastrophe (nuclear or otherwise). After all, it will only take one shopping mall, one movie theater, one baseball stadium, for them to have a "success."

So far, the Bush administration has stopped that from happening with all the tools at their disposal, tools the Democrats, remember, keep whining about the DoJ, DoD, DHS, FBI, and CIA using to stop this kind of stuff.

Will a Democrat use those tools or succumb to PC pressure from the ACLU, or will the next president be shackled by rules and laws the Democrats create now while in power? Remember, all too often, some Democrat has named the Bush administration as the "enemy," so who knows what they will do now or when they gain the presidency.

Also, for the above person who thinks we should "negotiate" with the terrorists:

1. You cannot negotiate with fanatics.
2. If you do negotiate, it will be their terms only, i.e., the conversion of the world to Islam and all others executed.

End of story.

Take Back the Government

The scariest part is even if conservatives prepare the right platform, find the right candidate, keep the whitehouse and reclaim congress that rsult needs to maintained for a generation to clean out the bureacratic liberals permanently ensconed in our government.


IVES -- Clearing the bureaucracy...
Demand competency, efficiency, and swift, quality customer/citizen service and the turnover will be astronomical. I don't think it is possible for bureaucrats to even perform in the manner of the average smiling, happy Wal-Mart greeter or as quickly as the check-out clerks at any store.

Think about that next time you're standing in line for the day at the DMV, IRS, or Social Security office.

CC
'I knew she was loud and obnoxious, but include ignorant and blind.'

Add fat and stupid with one incredibly large facial orifice. I wish she's take her act to the mid-east. Body guards notwithstanding, once the Islamists found out what she's yapping, I seriously doubt we'd see her return.

Hewitt must be of the 'we must not show unpleasant things like the twin towers burning or the people jumping', school of thought. I suppose it might remind us of who and what we are fighting...or what they're capable of. I wonder when he was last critical of anything liberal Hollywood sticks in our faces.

What I find interesting...
... is how much the Leftist media whines and complains about how much we, the People, sympathize with the terrorists who are "tortured" at Gitmo, and Hollywood, knowing what sells and what attracts viewers, gives Jack Bauer free reign to torture anyone and everyone to prevent the imminent attacks, and because of it, 24's ratings are through the roof.

Did they go too far in depicting a nuke? Not hardly. 24 isn't a happy, cheerful program where everything works itself out in an hour. Liberal though they may be, the producers of that show know what it takes to get people to watch. They know that Islamic terrorism is on everyone's mind, and in the back of our minds we worry about a possible nuclear scenario not much different from what is depicted in the show. It will make us feel a little better if Jack Bauer can torture enough people to get at the culprits before they can detonate another nuke. 'Cause if Jack Bauer can do it, maybe it can be done in real life.

Sure, they'll make the "real" culprits Republican politicians or Big Oil or whatever. The President's Chief of Staff is a Hollywood-stereotyped, right-wing-extremist, warmongering Republican (though how someone like that would be made a part of a Democrat administration, especially as Chief of Staff, is beyond my comprehension) which part is over-played and over-acted to Shatner-esque proportions. But the bottom line is this: right now, the bad guys are Muslim terrorists. One person that most viewers probably hate is the leftist, ACLU-type lawyer for a CAIR analogue (though that organization is portrayed as benevolent and peaceful, and willing to fight aginst militant Islam, unlike it's real-life counterpart.) The point is they throw in just enough conservative plot elements to keep us from turning it off in the first 5 minutes because they know what sells, and they know who they are selling it to.

Besides, anything that irritates the real CAIR can't be all bad.

24 as a public service
Would it not be grand (if not wishful thinking) to have President Palmer enact draconian measures to counteract terrorism....and have it work out well?

That is, 1. America wakes up to the threat, 2. Elected officials recognize that the US constitution is not a suicide pact, 3. Muslim leaders recognize that they must voice their condemnation for murderers in the the name of their religion.

Just a dream on my part, much like the obliteration of Hollywood.

If...
If the Moslems do manage to detonate one of their suitcase nukes in one of our cities, then the rational response should be high-yield nukes on Medinah and Meccah. On the other hand, why wait? And attack on Hitler's Germany in 1936 would have saved tens of millions of lives and stopped WWII in the West before it started.

Grubby - HUH?
Hewitt did not say it was too traumatizing. He brought out the fact that there is this viewpoint among the media-ites. I thin you and I read different articles...

"What I find interesting...
... is how much the Leftist media whines and complains about how much we, the People, sympathize with the terrorists who are "tortured" at Gitmo, and Hollywood, knowing what sells and what attracts viewers, gives Jack Bauer free reign to torture anyone and everyone to prevent the imminent attacks, and because of it, 24's ratings are through the roof."

Brittany Spears has great "ratings" (record sales) too. All popularity and ratings prove is how stupid and tasteless the vast majority of pop culture devotees are. Hollywood does indeed know that pandering to the lowest common denominator and assuming the worst about it's audience is the surest path to success. Judging by your approval and validation of their tactics, it sounds like they did a good job targeting their desired demographic with 24, too.


No "24" did NOT go too far.
24 is the best fucking show on TV and Jack Bauer is the man.

It's great, but...
It's a great show, but I've wondered if we all are being indoctrinated.

How the Government Makes News; Under Bush, a New Age of Prepackaged News (NY Times)
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50914FC3E580C708DDDAA0894DD404482#

Bush PR costs taxpayers 1.6 Billion (SF Chronicle)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/02/14/MNG2JH80H61.DTL

Fake News gets White House ok (Washington Post)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36694-2005Mar15.html


Bushwhacker:
If you are referring to the Military Commissions Act, you might want to read it again. It's short. According to every Constitutional scholar I have checked, it applies to American citizens also. That means, Americans can be picked up at the President's whim, sent to a secret prison camp, indefinitely, and not afforded one iota of due process. I have a sincere problem with that. I would think you would too.

It a TV SHOW!!!!
As a good member of the Green Party, I enjoy "24". I can't believe people are freakin'. Did "24" go too far is like asking did the "OC" go to far when Misha Barton's character was killed off. It doesn't really matter does it?

Muslims as terrorists?
Who could possible even think that such a thing could be true?

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