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Friday, October 20, 2006
Hugh Hewitt :: Townhall.com Columnist
Now is not the time for doom and gloom
by Hugh Hewitt
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"I don't believe you."

That's what I told "conservative campaign consultant" Rick Shaftan on last night's radio show.

Shaftan had been quoted in Thursday's Washington Times as saying "Conservatives aren't motivated to come out, is what I'm finding. They see no reason to re-elect the people who are in office."

I asked Mr. Shaftan was he conducting polling, for whom, and was it published?

No, it wasn't published, he replied, and that he did some work for the Minutemen. Then, as he began to get back to his fable, I stopped him and told him I simply don't believe it.

Instead of attempting to persuade me and the audience that he was legit, he hung up. The transcript will be up later here. The audio will be here.

Why my skepticism?

I have been in Minnesota, Colorado, Pennsylvania, and Ohio over the past five days. I have appeared at rallies that filled large rooms to capacity with enthusiastic volunteers. I have had candid conversations with four members of the House --Mark Kennedy, Mike Sodrel, David Dreier and Deborah Pryce, three senators, Rick Santorum, Jim Talent, and Norm Coleman, and other candidates such as Rick O'Donnell and Doug Lamborn in Colorado, Michele Bachmann and Alan Fine in Minnesota, and Ken Blackwell in Ohio.

More importantly I have talked with hundreds of members of the GOP base in a variety of different cities, each with a unique set of political circumstances. I polled every audience.

To this I add literally thousands of e-mails from listeners and readers as well as continual calling to various pundits and political pros, and the compulsive assessment of the polls --good and bad-- that stack up at RealClearPolitics.com.

There is simply no data to support the idea of significant if any turnout diminishment. There is grousing. There is posing. There is much struggle to claim Spenglerian cred.

But the idea of widespread discontent and a desire to punish the party for the misdeeds of a soaring economy, a 12,000 dow, two Supreme Court justices and a border fence isn't there.

Would a lot of us like better? Of course.

But only the fringe is growling for political self-mutilation.

And they always growl for political self-mutilation. In their world, Goldwater ran an insufficiently tough campaign.

But. No. Data.

So why are "conservatives" bad mouthing Republican prospects? Why not instead spend time and effort identifying those races which everyone agrees are close and in need of effort, attention and money?

Shock of shock, it is in the self-interest of some of the prophets to cast the alleged dire situation as the result of their not having been listened to, a very transparent ploy to position themselves and their agendas as the experts and the answers when the dust clears after the election.

There are plenty of close races which are understood to be close by both sides. Why some so-called conservative leaders want to spend their time issuing advance notice of GOP doom instead of working to get someone of these candidates over the top is a sure sign that the speakers are neither conservative, nor leaders.

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BELEIVE IT!!
Karl Rove is reported to have said about Christian Conservatives "They can identify candidates who support their issues, or who don't." In context he was saying "I don't believe they aren't going to vote for us when they realize the alternative is the Democrats being in charge"...Believe it Karl
Now Hugh says" "I don't believe you." That's what I told "conservative campaign consultant" Rick Shaftan on last night's radio show. Sen. Jim Talent, R-Mo., shakes hands with Democratic challenger Claire McCaskill after their debate Wednesday, Oct. 11, 2006, at Clayton Senior High School in Clayton, Mo. (AP Photo/Tom Gannam) Shaftan had been quoted in Thursday's Washington Times as saying "Conservatives aren't motivated to come out, is what I'm finding. They see no reason to re-elect the people who are in office."

Well, Rove is right and Hugh is wrong. We can tell who supports our issues and who doesn't. The Republican party was supposed to but it didn't. So, ...Believe it Hugh.

Actually I think Hugh DOES believe it and is trying reverse motivation.

If a thief steals my car I'm not going to let him keep it because he likes it so much nor put gas into it so it will take him to the places he wants it to go. I got it because I liked it and put gas in it so it would take ME where I wanted it to go. The liberal left of the Republican party stole the party conservatives built because they liked being in power so much and now are asking us to put gas in it with our vote so they can keep it and continue to do the liberal thing. Forget it. We CONSERVATIVES built the Republican party and WE put it in power.We took it to the dance and it refuses to dance with us so we are going to kick it to the curb. I won't help the Rockefeller types keep it with the power of my conservative vote.

Anyway, if we were playing a game of basketball whats happening now would be called a full court press. They (Republican leadership types) co-opt as many conservative talking heads, columnists and pundits as they can to haul water for them. We've seen it before..in support of Harriet Meirs, in support of the Senate 'amnesty' bill, etc...it never works and it won't this time. Unlike lefties conservatives think for themselves.

YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT
Conservative America right now feels they have been let down by their party, and left to wonder, what the he11 do we do now? and what are our options? One thing for sure, leaving the incumbents in office is not one of them. Republican voters will turn out to vote were smart enough to realize what the consequences are if we don't. But change is coming, some Republicans will switch their vote to the jackass party, just as a matter of protest (not a good idea) but many more will likely cast their vote for an independent, another form of protest. But with the lack of integrity that electronic voting provides voters, what's the difference anyway? Without question this country is in shambles and there is no doubt that someone is going to be stuck being left to pay the piper, that's just the way it is.

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Heads Need To Roll

conservatives aren't stupid
but probably angry and disappointed. Still, they know clearly that a vote for democrats will not solve their dissatisfaction.

Just shortsighted
Not voting is the same as casting a vote for (shudder) Speaker Pelosi.

Casting a protest ballot for an independent candidate with no reasonable chance of victory may very well help duplicate what happened when a significant portion of conservatives voted for Perot and pushed the Clintons into power.

Certainly the current Republicans have failed us in many ways. But, beyond the war on terror, issues such as getting better judicial appointments made make retaining Republican control of the House and Senate critical.

Changed my mind
A few months ago I thought it might be a good idea for the Republicans to lose the House, might bring them back to conservatism, which is sorely needed. But I have come to realize that we just can't afford to have Democrats in charge of anything, given the present situation. They are clearly on the side of the terrorists, the whole party might as well convert to Islam.

To Compromise principle
Is to lose it. Actually, principles are character traits and anyone who claims they can compromise their character in my opinion never had it in the first place. The Republican party was sent to Washington by conservatives to address the conservative agenda...they have been given ample chances through 5 election cycles to do it. Instead they gave the conservative base the finger. Our turn now. So let it be written, so let it be done.

ziggy
What about the troops? Will you be happy to have the funding cut to force them home? That is exactly what will happen with Democrats in the majority in the House. What about the blood bath that will follow? Will you take responsibility for that atrocity after our troops are out? Will you care? There is more on the line here than the conservative agenda.

Not voting
Should we just give up and leave America to America's ENEMIES, the Democrats?? I, for one, won't do that. Our side is not perfect, but it's much better than the Democrats.

HOUSEHOLD NET WORTH TO HIT RECORD $55 T
Inflation adjusted income growth recently accelerating to about 7% y/y for the past 12 months, consumption at all-time record high, on our way to a record 15 consec quarters of double-digit profit growth, corporate profits surging to twice the prior cycle record hit in 1997, household sector adding a robust 200,000 new jobs per month, jobs data recently restated higher by over 800,000 for past 12-months (almost 70,000 per month), 3 years of record housing boom, stocks booming, 4.6% unemployment below historical average, college grad unemployment rate at 2%, interest rates near historical lows with longer-term market rates still in a 30-year downtrend, today's low inflation (CPI) about to get even lower as collapsing commodity prices (down nearly 25% over past few months) work their way into CPI data, a plunging deficit now at pissant level of only 1.9% of GDP and heading south....and all that with tax cuts. It sure smells like DJIA 15000 by the end of 2007.

Do I want to change that? Now if we could just exercise a little spending discipline and wind down Iraq, then we would have near perfection.

The only folks looking for a big change are the uneducated and unskilled who have not kept up with the rest of America. These unaccountable folks who have not taken responsibility for themselves--America's welfare junkies and entitlement hounds--will remain victims of their own self-made failures. The socialists want change, not me.

Indiana's 3rd District Race is Dead Heat
This district I think is indicative of most of the border districts; it has both rust belt cities (South Bend, LaPorte), and rural areas. It has a mixture of ethnic catholics, conservative farmers, union autoworkers, and academic liberals (Notre Dame). Rep Chocola (R) had a stunning 2000 victory over longtime Democrat Tim Roemer. Since 2000, Chocola has won 2 terms mainly with heavy help from Bush and Cheney campagin stops.

The first major poll was done in June of 2006. No one was surprised that Chocola was done 14 points to longtime Democratic challenger Joe Donely. Donely has been running a continuous campagin against Chocola ever since he upset Roemer. The Iraqi conflict, Katrina, etc... were to blame. Economically, this area has done very well since 2001; however, like the rest of the nation, Bush's low approval numbers has been sinking all GOP incumbents.

What is interesting, is the fact that Chocola has been mounting a comeback since late August. Despite the Foley scandal Chocola not only has closed the gap, but is poised to win reelection. The race is now too close to call, but if his momentum continues he will win 50-48%.

By demographics, some districts will go to the Democrats (thanks to open borders, and corrupt precinct captains); yet, there are solid red districts in the US, which if you beleive the pollsters, will go to the democrats. I think many polls are pulling a fast one, and only polling registered voters, and not likely voters. This being a mid-term election, likely voters will be about 80% of the people going to the polls. Also, many national pollster are polling only the coasts where Democrats outnumber the Republicans 3-1.

I think what is going on in Indiana's 3rd District is indicative of the nation. Much of what is being reported doesn't reflect reality. Most conservatives are furious at both Congress and the President;however, they do not yet equate the GOP with the Democrats. That is, they realize things could get really bad for them if Pelosi becomes Speaker.I still beleive Rove's voter turn out program will tip the balance to the GOP. They will retain thier House majority, but at slimmer margins. The Senate will also remain in GOP hands by a 51-49 margin.

This could be the Democrats last big chance to take either house. Once the 2008 cycle begins they will have to explain to the people what they believe. If it is more of the Kerry/Gore triangulating, they will lose. Bush will no longer be on the ticket. The Far Left (Net Roots) will force even HRC to move left, otherwise, she may lose in the primairies. If the Dems cannot win back at least one huse in 2006, they have big, big problems.

Lesser of two evils
I agree that the Republicans In Name Only (RINOs) have been a big disappointment with regard to spending and illegal immigration. The problem is having a true conservative to vote for. You have to vote for the candidate that is the closest to your ideals. Sitting at home allows someone else to pick your representative. Third party candidates just don't seem to be able to get in the game to have a real chance. Most of them also seem to be from very liberal, small niche parties that I wouldn't want in power anyway such as the Communist Party or Green Party. If the Libertarian Party could get off the ground and really make a name for itself, it would be an alternate I could support. In the mean time, Republicans are more conservative in values and views than any Democrat and I can't bring myself to vote for someone who thinks the government can do a better job at anything than an individual can. That is the polar opposite of what our founding fathers believed and established 230 years ago. If you think higher taxes, allowing non-citizens to vote, income redistribution, and total removal of our Christian heritage from public view will bring about a better America, then by all means, go vote for a Democrat. No wait, go back and really study all the documents and sources for the founding of our country. Open your mind and really learn what made our country the great nation it became. Unlearn the revisionist, apologist version of history. Look at where Europe is now and know that is where we will be if we continue on this path. We are, or were so much better off than the Euroweenies and the Liberals want to take us down that loser path.

I think the real problem is Party politics in general. The candidates more closely follow the Party's agenda than following the wishes of the people that elect them. It is about what is best for the Party, not the country. I don't know how "We the People" can change that, but change is needed. Just don't jump out of the frying pan into the fire by staying home on election day, or by voting for a political party that will make thinks worse!

Two-Party System
Like it or not, and with apologies to the Libertarian Party, there are only two political parties in the USA: Republicans and Democrats.

The Democratic Party has slowly morphed into the Socialist-Democrat Party, working diligently to establish federal control over the means of production, redistribution of wealth from the middle class, and isolationism.

The Republican Party doesn't have a clue. When Bush 41 spouted his idea of a "kinder and gentler" America, I saw the handwriting on the wall. The Republicans were going left.

The Republican Party big-shots believe that rank-and-file Americans want touchy-feely government, concerned government, kumbaya-singing government, long-walks-on-the-beach holding hands government.

WRONG!

Real Republicans are the kick-butt in Iraq, gun-toting/NRA-joining, shut-the-border, enforce-the-law, already!, take-no-bull, don't-tread-on-me!, still-pissed-off Vietnam vets, Kerry-hating PATRIOTS!

We are the true lovers of this country and we want America to beat our enemies into a bloddy pulp. We want America to kick-butt and don't bother taking names. We want America to control who enters this country and if they sneak in at night, they go to prison.

We want Osama and his friends DEAD, not "brought to justice".

The Republicans need a bath, but that doesn't mean we kick them out. We give them a stern lecture, tell them to CLEAN UP THEIR ACT and, then, we vote for them.

Or, they could be right
Ann Coulter seems to think this will be a very good year for Democrats, so I'm not gonna to forecast diddly.

I will vote, though.

I agree guys
Anyone who doesn't vote in this election should be considered a liberal democrat from now on, because that's who they voted for.

nanarae
Bush has a veto pen. It takes 2/3rds of BOTH houses to override a veto. None of what you say can possibly happen if Bush and the remaining Republicans won't go along with it.Also, consider the effectivness the Dems had with filibuster in the senate... If they (Bush/Republicans) do go along, then it was going to happen anyway. I am a Nam vet so you darn well bet I care...but retaining a renigade Republican party in the majority isn't the answer.

Mind set of article is the problem
This article shows exactly what is wrong with the GOP today. It is oblivious to it's supportes and out of touch. Not just with the supporters, but with the ideals as well.

The GOP can continue to sit there and hope the boogy man in the closet goes away, but the reality is he is there and pretending there is no problem is exactly why voters are pissed and why we WILL lose the house and senate come Nov 7th.

GOP needs to get out of fantasy land and back into reality. They need to rediscover their roots and remeber WHO and WHY they were sent to Washington.

Don't stay home
I can't say it any clearer: IF YOU DON'T SHOW UP FOR THE FIGHT, YOUR OPPONENT WINS BY DEFAULT.

Conservatives, PLEASE don't let that happen. Our TROOPS deserve better than a Democrat Congress who will defund the war, and kill our sons, daughters, husbands and wives. Our country and our TROOPS deserve better.

YOU ALL WORRY ME
Not voting for a republican IS voting for a democrat. This is kid stuff. Teach them a lesson during the primary, when a republican wins no matter what. I was 11 when Bush 41 was shot down. I remember the "lesson" we taught republicans, and ultimately we lost. We got eight years of Bill Clinton, and three attacks on U.S. soil. Like it or not, a republican, or a democrat, is going to win. This is too close for bickering amongst ourselves. We are suppossed to be on the same side.

RIGHTMINDEDMOM
AMEN. I was starting to worry. Stay on the offensive.

Why the personal attacks?
Back during the Harriet Miers debacle, I defended Hewitt against people who said that he was a Republican hack, rather than a true conservative. He was wrong, I said, and perhaps he adheres a bit too closely to the party line, but he's still a conservative.

After reading Hewitt's personal attacks on those who predict things he doesn't want to hear, I'm sorry I defended him.

I'm voting Republican because the alternative is even more appalling. And maybe the analysts are wrong, and the GOP will manage to eke out bare majorities in each house. I hope so. But I certainly am not as motivated as I was in 2004, when I volunteered for Bush and my county GOP. Even on national security and judges (the two issues that I pushed to conservatives last time as a reason to vote GOP), the Republicans have been mediocre at best. This time, my vote is all they get, and the Democrats--not the Republicans--can take credit for that vote.

I suppose Hewitt would say I'm not a real conservative. That's OK. I'm beginning to think the same thing about him.

The Pelosi Congress
Probably won't be much different from the Hastert congress. Heck, the Hillary Presidency won't be too much different from the Bush Presidency. Don't believe me? Check out my blog (click my name). I have documented Hildabeast's public positions on lots of issues, and she sounds a lot like George!

I decided to vote
I'm a Christian conservative who is very angry with the Republicans. I feel used and manipulated by the party. I was seriously planning to stay home. I am ticked off about the Republican's token responses to illegial immigration. However, I've come to realize that life under Democrats would be utterly unbearable. All indications are that they would cut-and-run in the war, disrespecting all of our sons and daughters who have died there. The US would likely implode should the Democrats reign. The lobbyiest are not going away, and they don't care who they bribe, and I trust Democrats less than I trust Republicans with lobbyiest. So, I'm going to be a good little (manipulated) Christian conservative and vote Republican as I have for the past 20 years.

You Still Think This Works
What Is the Adult World...Living in a Society where we go to be asking forgiveness for our Daily wrongs and uderstaning of God because we have to do them again the next day to survive at a standard of living that is fed by prejudice and bigotry. And the things we do to survive are all legal and accepted by this country because of scare tactics and and what they sell as freedom. We complain about when we do not get paid and sell out to it when we get paid but we just killed our Brother or sister to get paid.
We Live in a country that is far from the founding father's dream and that is why they had the insight to put in the constitution if the government does not work for the people any more it needs restructure....When are you going to stop Playing the Game as a Game and so more demise continues....It is time to heal things and that won't happen with commerse involved

Yeah, just stay home.
The propaganda campaign of the media has been very successful. Whenever I hear some pundit mention Dubya’s low poll numbers, I want to scream “have you missed the 6 yrs of nothing but hate Bush?” “Do you suppose that might lower his approval numbers?” Even O’Reilly does it.
It is very depressing, but then I stop and ask myself just what have my reps done that really upset me? Then given the choices, who would better serve my interests this election? You know I have yet to find a Democrat that fits that bill. What Democrat would vote for less spending? Less taxes? More border control? Less union control of our schools? And on and on. The answer is there isn’t a Democrat running that would help me, regardless of what they say they will do, I know for sure that once they get to Washington they will vote with their leadership. And that is not the way I would vote. As someone else noted the deficit is at an all time low of 1.9% of GDP We have one of the best economies in our History, while immigration is a big problem, we have managed to get started in the right direction on that front. And if your for defeat in Iraq then by all means turn control over to the Dems and wait for the results of that fiasco.

motivation
Democrats have a history of over confidence in elections, and this may well be another case of that. But do you really not see that the people who come to your rallies and send you messages are by definition a more motivated segment of the population than most.
One of the bits of solace for a losing candidate in an election of any size is that even the losing vote (even in a landslide) still involves enough excited supporters to assuage ones ego as one goes down to defeat.
So while you may be right that the Republicans will pull this election out, there is a reason that people take polls with randomizing elements more seriously than they do anecdotal reports from people who interact with their strongest supporters.

OUTCOMES
I'm one of those guys who is very disappointed in George Bush and his compassionate "conservatism" . I put people who don't want to build a fence on the US Mexican border in the same category as Ted Kennedy. But I don't bring a knife to a gunfight, and keeping my fingers crossed (in some cases, holding my nose), I will vote Republican.

No real conservative would not vote
Primarily the supreme court is a HUGE ISSUE,and we know without at least the same majority we have now, in the senate, we could never get in another Roberts or Aleito. We are as close now as ever to being able to get Row overturned-45,000,000 babies slaughtered-you think God will be mocked? We know the tax cuts that have boomed the stock market over 12000, and have added 6 and 1/2 million new jobs would be passed out, and in fact we may get tax increases that are targeted at small business owners. Just on those two issues alone we have got to get out and vote. Not to mentind the protection of our Religious freedom, and our 2ed admendment rights.

Children
Those who threaten to not vote or vote Demo are a puzzle.
Are they ignorant of history? There has never been a perfect government and there never will be this side of Glory. Jesus's kingdom is not of this world. We have a duty to our founders, ourselves and our posterity to do the best we can with what we've got and work for changes within the structure. Blind idealism never helped anyone.
Are they simply spoiled children who throw a tantrum and punish the adults when they don't get everything they want?
Are they not conservatives at all, but Libertarian or Democratic ideologues?
I think Hugh is right. Most voters in 2006 still do not want a Speaker Pelosi and Impeachment proceedings and endless investigations against Bush & Co. Some of the more excited members of the lunatic left are envisioning Bush and Cheney impeached and President Pelosi. How's that for punishing the GOP?
Grow up, folks.

Open Borders
Any president who leaves our borders open is not serious about protecting America. And if you aren't serious about protecting America, what's the point?

OK, the economy is great. What good will that do us when terrorists start blowing up our cities because we left the door open for them? What good will that do us when we are over run by Communist/Socialist loving 3rd worlders from Mexico and the rest of "Latin America"?

Economists. Always thinking with their wallet instead of their head!!! Greed is indeed the root of all evil.

What???
Rockman, Are the Dems serious about protecting America? The rocks must be in your head.

Is THIS one of the
Reasons to vote Republican?

(A)Toomey was running in the primary against Specter...instead of staying out of the primary the party attacked conservative Toomey and supported liberal Specter.

(B)Conservative McClintock was the party nominee for the office of California govenor in 2002...the party refused to support him...post election analysis showed McClintock could have won with a little support in 4 districts.

(C)Grey Davis was recalled and Republicans once again vie'd for the opportunity to run for govenor, including conservative McClintock...the party supported liberal Arnold..

(D) Liberal Chaffe was being challanged in the primary for RI Senator...the party attacked the conservative candidate in support of the liberal candidate....even stateing if Chaffee lost the primary they would pick pick up their marbles and go home.

(E)In the Arizon 8th liberal Republican Kolbe retired. Conservative Randy Graf ran in the primary to be the candidate for that open seat. The Republican party attacked Graf in support of a more liberal candidate.

(F)Randy Graf won that nomination despite party hostility...The republican party left and refused to support the peoples choice.

Tell me again why conservatives should be supporting the party on November 7th.

Oh, I forgot...the bogey man! Nasty Pelosi.

Doom and gloom deception
I am 100% in your corner on this one.

There is a high tech propaganda effort by the Liberal Democrat Left to intimidate Conservatives to throw in the towel and sit out the next election. The CW is that a million or two conservatives will choose not to vote . I don’t buy it!

In fact , I have a theory that many who post their comments at blogsites, and there are many, are not Republicans or Conservatives at all, but a huge part of the Left’s propaganda campaign.

There is a pattern here. The primary weapons in the Democrats propaganda campaign have been criticism of every policy of the Bush administration, hate for President Bush personally, anger about Bush winning the Presidency in 2000, and destruction of every idea that is not consistent with the Democrat’s desire to return to power.

The primary weapons in Democrats high tech campaign to discourage Conservative voters is criticism of every action of the Republican Congress, irrational hate and anger of Conservatives, particularly evangelical conservatives, and destruction of every Conservative idea that could stand in the way of their return to power. They even present these ideas in the same way: with adolescent emotions, irrationality, outright lies and adolescent petulance. And, still with no ideas except cut and run, or punish the Republicans.

Now they return to the politics of personal destruction. The similarities are just too compelling.

I believe these blogosphere critics who say a million or two conservatives and evangelical christians will stay home are fellow travelers of the Left whose job it is to write to all the blog sites and comments pages possible in order to scare us off. If these pretenders were who they say they are, their hardnosed comments would have been directed toward their elected Representatives and not toward blogsite comments.

The criticism, hate, anger, and the manner in which these fellow travelers present their pretend outrage is all too familiar. This plot smells like a Democrat strategy.

There are only two answers to this for Conservatives and evangelical Christians: ignore the propaganda, and resolve to turn out in great numbers to support the Conservative consensus and vote for any candidate who best represents Conservative principles, who values our freedom, our traditional culture, our way of life.

Bill is right
I suspect ziggy is a mole.

Love to all,

Vote Republican now, Libertarian later.
skywalker81 & DavidMac,

The Libertarian party is trying VERY hard to shed its fringe loonytoon image, it recently had an internal revolution that reduced it’s list of planks from 150 to 15. Those planks left are NOT the crazy ones we had before (no limits on porn, unilaterally open borders, no limits on drugs) . I have been a Libertarian since 2000, I DON’T VOTE LIBERTARIAN most of the time though, I vote republican for the most part, I have been a Libertarian because I foresaw the changes coming to this small party, it has the potential to take 15% away from the other two major parties if the planks are right.
Most People think Libertarians are just crazy liberals, some are, most are conservatives like myself.
I AM a conservative Libertarian, not quite an Ayn Rand but I’m up there in the non-authoritarian portion of the political spectrum.
This is NOT the time to vote Libertarian, it IS the time to join them and change this party into one that can win elections instead of just be a fringe think tank & debating society. Conservatives need a choice that doesn’t cripple them in a one on one fight with liberals, and Republican party hacks better get a clue that we will try to gut their party as ruthlessly as we’ll try to gut the democrats.
There are two paths left to conservatives that don’t include selling out or political suicide, shafting the Republican incumbents in the primaries, or creating a serious competitor that cripples BOTH major parties equally, thus give no advantage to the liberals.

And for ZIGGY,
Do us ALL a favor, cut your nose off AFTER these elections OK?

Ziggy may be a mole
But, if any of you have read my blog or my posts, you know I am not.

The dilema for me is simple. Should I vote for someone who does not share my values, who will not support people who do share my values, but who lies to me to try to convince me they are just like me? Or should I vote for someone who comes right out and tells me I am the enemy? Or should I stay home?

I look at these politicos and get so mad. Except for the courts, I see NOTHING that they have done. Have the opened up drilling? No. Have they defended the border? No. Have they made tax cuts permanent? No. Have they eliminated departments from the bloated government? No. Have they reduced spending? HECK NO!!!! Defense of Marriage? No. Social Security? No. Have they forced the Dems to actually fight as in Filibuster in the Senate? No. Have they brought all judges to the floor? No. Do they support our own candidates like Katherine Harris? No.

Tell me, with the President a supposed Republican, if he has the cojones to veto legislation, how could a Democrat controlled Congress be worse than what we have today?

Yes, I will vote. I worry about the courts. But I am mad. REALLY MAD.

Found out
Well, I'm not Republican...
Not Dem either...

Just a normal man with conservative convictions that refuses to be Republidupped any more.

Punishment vs. Change
Punishing the Republicans by staying home or actually voting for another candidate is the least intelligent thing you can do to protest.

Sure, very few conservatives are happy with how the Republican party has conducted itself recently. But the time to adress the issue is during the primaries and not during the election. Get out there and field a candidate for the 2008 race to replace your representative if you feel he/she has let you down.

I am not a Republican, but I am a conservative, so I will be holding my nose as I cast my vote this time. But I will not be putting a gun to my head and voting Democrat to prove a point. Sure we have to let some of the worst offenders go back this time, who knows they may have gotten the message, but what would you prefer:

1) A Republican who might not adequately represented your views.

2) A Democrat who will actively work against your views.

You have leverage with option 1, the next primary, but will only be ignored with option 2.


Dems win already
Look at the fighting within on this subject alone. Our local Republican Party was in shambles in the 2002 election cycle and lost every seat because of petty squabbling. It would take a miracle or two to pull the Republican Party together by 2008.

Giuliani would normally be anathema to Republicans nationwides except for his appeal on the grounds that he could beat Hillary. McCain is a sorry joke, quickly following Dole's lead toward failed White House run after failed White House run. Condi? Please. She doesn't want it and she's a social moderate/liberal besides. Like Rudy, her only appeal is her ability to beat Hillary.

It's very disturbing to face the reality that Republicans are about to jump off the cliff, but it's true. No direction, no appeal. Yes, national security is crucial, but the lack of follow-through on the illegal alien issue demonstrates that Republicans aren't serious about the issue.

Yes, it is time for doom and gloom because that's what's ahead for our great country. It's also time to get working on eradicating the doom and gloom. Denial isn't the answer.

I can see Hugh's 11/8 column
"Speaker Pelosi has to thank the 'values' voters or, in this case, non-voters, for her ascension. But why did it happen?
"Republican leaders kept ignoring the ideals that made the GOP the majority party in the 1980s - Fiscal conservatism, judicial restraint, belief in right and wrong, life, individual responsibility. Instead, they systematically decimated their children's future pocketbook by going Dem-lite on prescription drugs; they did nothing about Kelo; they practiced buggering while raling against it; they did nothing to stop the killing of the innocent; they earmarked and porked their way to what they thought would be entrenchment. Now they are entrenched back in their hometowns licking their wounds. Deservedly so, after the weakest six years of visionless non-leadership in American history."

Ignored??
Chuck I understand what you are saying but didn't we hold our nose before to vote Republican? And weren't/aren't we ignored since and now?

When I came of age you had to be 21 to vote...I got the vote in '61. I joined the Republicdan party and remained one until Bush the first reneged on his tax campaign promise. I then registered independent but contined to vote Republican.I have never voted for a Democrat that I can remember, nor have I ever sat out an election...that includes this one..I just refused to support a Republican for a congressional seat...I left it blank..

That being said,during the years between Goldwater in '64 and Newt in '94 I was one of those who toiled year in and year out to bring the Republlicans to power. I started stuffing envelopes and ringing door bells, and indue time served on advisory boards dealing with issues and tactics and the metholidgy of field implimentation. Our efforts brought the Republican party to power.

I'm a christian and my conservatism makes Limbaugh look like a flaming liberal on somethings. On others we agree.

So, I ask you...now, after 6 years of refuseing to perform...just why is it conservatives should vote to retain Republicans in the majority??


Jon - with that attitude, you're a Dem
We conservatives are upset with the Republicans mostly because of their ignoring the fence/illegal immigration issue for so long, but LOOK -- legislation passed to build 700 mile fence on the southern border. OK, it's not longer, and it took forever to get this far, but we're making a difference! We're being heard!
To stay home in protest is to hamper progress even more!

-- And please remember our troops -- the Democrats want to de-fund our troops, and repeat the Vietnam disgrace. They think that was a GREAT TRIUMPH for dissent. IT WAS A DISGRACE!! DON'T LET THEM REPEAT IT!!

Right...
So we vote not because we support our party, but because we do not support the other? Even though our party is becoming more and more like the other party?

Please, I think it is those who would sell out and vote all the RINO's who need to grow up and WAKE UP!

Who else is sick to death of choosing the lesser of 2 evils?

It would seem
that those who advocate voting Republican no matter what resembles the spectacle of the blind trying to lead the sighted.

I pass!

I'll do it my way...you do it yours.

THE FENCE IS GONNA BE BUILT????
Listen up everyone. Sen. Cornyn was at a Texas border county meeting yesterday and ASSURED everyone there who was screaming about putting up a fence that the fence has not and will not get funded. He's 'proudly' made that statement many times...and he was supposed to be on our side on this illegal invasion thing. Don't give up the pressure....the fence isn't the fence til it's built!!!

LISTEN KIDS
Listen to your Rightmindedmom. Your mad. Ok. Don't let your emotions screw it up for the whole country. We didn't lose Vietnam militarily and we won't lose the War on Terror militarily. If we lose, it will be at home, just like Vietnam. Don't let it happen.

A WAR IS LONG
Beating the Democrats is the ultimate goal. Losing small battles (social security) is okay if you win the war. Move the country to the right and you win the war. We need to elect judges and to stay on the offensive in the war on terror. We need to elect Republicans to do it.

Heavy Sleeper has it totally wrong
The objective is NOT to beat the Democrats. The objective is to get this nation working the right way. I WILL vote for Democrats if they are right. I WILL vote against Republicans if they are wrong. The issues are the important things. Not whether you have an R or D behind your names.

One Man's Viewpoint

.....Hugh...What would Reagan have been able to accomplish if he had the luxury of a Republican House and Senate?...

.....for one thing...Bork would be on the Supreme Court...

.....my point is that most of my misgivings about the GOP are centered around what I see as weak leadership from the top...coupled with the RNC's willingness to support RINO's for the Senate...both of these flaws can be fixed with a little work...

.....I will support and try to help all Conservative Republicans in the Primaries and put pressure on The RNC to weed out the RINO's...I will look for a President in '08 who comes the closest to the ideals and principles of Ronald Reagan...right now...the only one I see that even comes close is Newt Gingrich...except that Reagan was more forceful and direct while Newt is more inclined to be diplomatic...but other than personality....on conservative principles...they match up pretty well...

.....having said that...I will vote a straight Republican ticket on Nov 7...the Republican Party is my home...I am not going to burn it down because I am not happy with some of the tenants or the present landlord.....COLOSSUS

What "RINO" REALLY means
Let's be clear here...to those who use this term, RINO means not "Republicans In Name Only"...it means Republicans not being lock step in with the Reganite agenda of what's important.

SOME politicians really think that the Government should take care of things like the war we are fighting, keeping our tax cuts so the government keeps growing, balancing the 3 brancches of government which means appointing non-activist judges.

And some Republicans believe that we shouldn't look toward government to solve everything...that time of war is NOT the time to demand a solution to DECADES OLD problems of immigration..balance budgets...the size of government.

SOME Republicans are grown up. They know that politics IS a game of deals; that LIFE is choices. They also ask themselves this ONE important question...

Do we want to spend the next 2 years on impeachment hearings, fighting over the funding to our military and removing those tax cuts...or do we want to get that wall up, deal with N.Korea, and setting up a SCOTUS that will give America a chance to regain her moral clarity?



I for one
think that if anyone stays home or votes for 3rd party candidates, that it will be fiscal conservatives and not the values voters. Evangelicals, other Christians and other people with values will turn out, and perhaps in even greater numbers than 2004. Don't care what the polls say!

Go ahead stay home!
Ziggy,I understand your frustration but if you choose to stay home than go ahead! Take your negativity some where else! If you are a Nam vet you should know better than to hand the reins of power to the Kerry, Fonda, Hayden Etc. wing of the Democrat party. This is not the time for a brawl between factions within the party. You clean house AFTER the election. If you people decide to sit this one out that's your right. I don't want to hear anyone of you on TH whining about how bad it is if the Dems take control.Yes I am not happy with the party on Illegal Immigration,Spending like drunken Libs, conferring legal rights on Terrorists, subjecting our Troops to fighting terrorist scum using kindness as a weapon...Yes I am unhappy too. If you want to sit it out and let your vote go to a Dem just consider the following quote; "This is our party now, we own it" Nancy Pelosi? Hillary? Harry Reid? no! Those are the words of Eli Pariser one of the founders of MoveOn.talking about the once great Democrat Party. So you "Teach the party a lesson" I guess you guys are more comfortable being in the minority. Yes! lets go back to being checkered trouser, swizzle stick, Rockefeller Republicans who are comfortable in being losers..well you can count me out. After all, what's another 50 yrs. in the minority. I just heard Rush's new satirical PSA entitled "Cut and Run Conservatives" right on time! NRAlifer I'm with you!

husker jeff
Why are you so mad at the GOP? They have TRIED to enact several of the things you accuse them of failing at (ANWR, Soc sec reform) but they only have a VERY SLIM MAJORITY. You expect things from them that they currently cannot do.

Please understand - the GOP has enacted conservative policies on a very spotty basis, but this is only because they do not have a CONSERVATIVE majority in either house of Congress.

Based on reliable ACU ratings, the GOP majority of 55 in the Senate only has 46 conservatives. In the House, the 233 GOP majority only has 186 conservatives.

The solution here is to teach people about the superiority of conservatism. That liberty is the goal of a good society and that the values of personal responsibility, limited government, the rule of law and free markets best allow liberty to flourish. When enough people who do not currently vote Republican are persuaded of this, a conservative majority will be born in the GOP, and a truly conservative agenda will be debated and enacted, to the betterment of all people in this great country.

It IS Time for Doom and Gloom!!!!!!
Can anyone think of a better way to energize Republicans to vote?

For those of you on the left, why bother voting? Your polls and your media have already picked the winners so your vote won't be necessary. Rest up on election day so you'll have plenty of energy for street demonstrations and protests. You might even be able to pull a Columbia-style action in Congress. It's still a nest of idiots who practice free speech and don't always agree with you.

Where are Dems right?
Husker Jeff says, "I WILL vote for Democrats if they are right."

Where are they right?

A true conservative knows that the present Dem party is rarely, if ever, right.

Please, tell us. Where are they right?

Love to all.

RINOs
I noticed that this term is being misused a fair amount. A RINO is anyone who claims to be republican but fails to support the party. It includes everyone, does not matter if you are facist or communist or anything in between. RINOs aren't simply those who are moderate conservatives.

Moreover if you are conservative in any form, your party is the republican party. Sorry there is no one else to support. US politics is a two party system and guess what? That is not going to change. So assuming you are a conservative posting here, again, no matter what flavor you are, support your party.

I would also like to quote ChosinMarineSon who made an excellent point:

"So you "Teach the party a lesson" I guess you guys are more comfortable being in the minority. Yes! lets go back to being checkered trouser, swizzle stick, Rockefeller Republicans who are comfortable in being losers..well you can count me out. After all, what's another 50 yrs. in the minority. "

The GOP will not change for those factions within the conservatives who want policies that simply make them unelectable. I know "I'll vote for them" you say. Well one vote its a start, but 1 vote does not get you elected.

There will be no change from within.


Salt
Ditto sir, and thanks.

When are Dems right
Well, they were right with Social Security. I know that is a liberal icon, but it was a good idea.

They are right now about the need to get a balanced budget. They want to do it with tax increases and I want to do it with spending cuts, but the goal is right.

I actually like Ben Nelson. I think he is a DINO in most things. I voted for him a couple times but this time I am going to vote for Ricketts this year as I see him as a true conservative and I am worried about the Senate because of the judges.

My point is that this is not a game of my side against your side. It is more important to get good people in power than it is to have them from the right party.

If the Republicans opt to sit home
it will not give strength to the party. I read comments here that the fighting within is the destructive aspect of the party. I disagree. We, as conservative Republicans, have found our voices. There are droves of individuals demanding issues be taken seriously by our fellow Republicans. We suffer growing pains and learn to make adjustments within. We make tiny steps towards our goals, sometimes bigger ones, such as the supreme court judges. Only by sitting home and handing the reins over to the opposing party with a totally (and I mean totally) different agenda will our voices be silenced and our party's agenda be destroyed. If you write down, as you were instructed in your youth, on a piece of paper the pros and cons of having the Republicans maintain control of the house and senate and do the same for the Dems, I think you can only do one thing...go vote for the Republican candidates in Nov. Emotion should not outweigh logic. This is much too important to our nation.

Never said they were.
Salt Wrote:

"Are the Dems serious about protecting America?"

I never said they were. But after voting for Republicans my whole life, I'm done trusting them to follow conservative principles.

We put Bush in in 2000, and what did he do? He signed Campaign Finance reform, a clear violation of our right to free speech. What happened to his oath of office to "preserve, protect and defend" the Constitution? And it's only gotten worse. No child left behind, Prescription drugs, Patriot Act, open borders, outsourcing of jobs, and now his push for a North American Union.

I held my nose in the last 2 elections and voted Republican. They have had their chance to change their ways, and have refused to do so. This last minute charade of 6,000 troops on the border (where are they?) and a 700 mile fence that will NEVER be built isn't fooling me.

I'm done holding my nose, hoping they will listen. They clearly aren't going to. Maybe Newt will come back in '08 and put the party back on track. But I'm done with these liberal, big business neocons.

And you can stop trying to blame me for staying home. The Republicans in Congress and the White House are the ones to blame. If they had done their jobs and stuck to their principles, I would be supporting them.

RINO's
Let's elect the Republicans as the lesser of two evils this time, but do like I do. Every time I get a request for money from the Republicans, I tell them that I am not going to give them any more of my money to support RINO's. That is the way to reform the Republicans. Cut off their funds right after this election and every chance you get tell them why you will not be giving them any MONEY! Keep your money and spend it on whatever you want. DON'T give it to the Dumocrats. If enough people withhold their money, the Republicans will get the message. MONEY TALKS! If there is a true conservative in the next primary give your money directly to that candidate, don't give it to the national organization, because that's where it gets sent to and spend by RINO's. I have already done that more than once this year. I received a survey and I always answer them and then also write comments telling them why I don't agree with them. I always clearly state that they won't be receiving any more money from me as long as they support RINO's with our money and I name as many of the RINO's as I can think off at the moment.

The Republicans currently have a MINO. Majority in name only, because they have Chaffee, Warner, Graham, McClain, Snowe and other RINO's in the Senate and who knows who they are in the House.
Someone else here gave the number of true conservatives in the House and Senate and that is why Republicans haven't been successful. Chaffee is currently holding up the confirmation of John Bolton as ambassador to the UN, not some Dumocrat. Why did he receive support from the Republicans at the national level? I think it is better to have a Dumocrat in office than a RINO who is then privy to all the inner processes etc. and can then be a leaker to the MSM for an attack against what the party might be trying to do. RINO's are traitors to their party. They don't disagree with some things, they disagree with everything, but are NOT honest enough to change parties. They are wolves in sheep's clothing.

Sending a message
There is NO way to send a message to elected officials unless you have free trips to Ireland or lots of cold cash to drop in their laps - UNLESS you get involved in your local party. Primary's give most voters NO ability to 'send a message' when their candidate is the incumbent. The only way to affect the quality of your party's candidate is to get involved with your party and force it to change from within.

Our 'elected' officials do NOT listen to us. They listen to the guy with the money. I don't care if you're talking Dem or Rep, they are generally worthless slime who would sell their own mother if it would get them elected. You cannot trust these people. Not ever.

However, to withhold a vote is to vote against your party. For most of you posting here that means that you are voting for Democrats by withholding your vote. I am going to vote this year. Then I'm going to find out everything I can about my party and how it is run and organized locally. Then I'm going to find a way into that organization so that they will be more responsive to their constituents.

The #1 Reason to vote GOP
Y'all sick of dis-loyal opposition? Sick of well-timed "leaks?" Sick of Kos and his brainless minions? Sick of the coddling of nuts like the "9-11 Truthers" and Ward Churchill and his "little Eichmanns?"

I miss having a loyal opposition like we had in the Cold War---- they disagreed with Reagan on how to fight it, but to a man they would cut their right testicles off before working with the USSR or willingly passing along their propaganda. Jackasses like Michael Moore would be marginalized!

If you want a Democratic party you can publish the not-conservative-enough-for-me's with, vote GOP this year---and watch the idiots in the Democratic Party's heads roll. Then next time you can vote for Democrats (either openly or by default by voting third party) without having to worry if your 5-year-old's cap gun would be considered an assault weapon when Congress next meets, or if Haji considers this Allah's sign for him to bomb your neighborhood.

It needs to become crystal-clear to the Democrats that their hating, their embrace of the kook fringe, and relying on the media to cover their butts is not going to work. That won't happen if it works for them in 2006.

Think about it.

I hope Hugh is correct but
I am afraid he overestimates the ordinary person's understanding of what the contempary Democratic party stands for. Michael Moore goes overseas and refers to Americans as "possibly the dumbest people on earth" and then refers to us as "venal", and he was the hero of the 2004 Dem National Convention. "1+1+1" said above in typically smug Leftist, anti-capatalism ramblings, "Living in a Society where we go to be asking forgiveness for our Daily wrongs and uderstaning of God because we have to do them again the next day to survive at a standard of living that is fed by prejudice and bigotry". That really means the ordinary American is either a bigot or ignorant and lacking in moral principal. And that is exactly what the Left thinks of the ordinary American. Bad people or folks incompetent to manage our own affairs and our country without the guidance of the Leftist elite. The American Left has been able to perpetrate this scam thanks to their mates in the news media and academia.
Ronald Reagan once said "you can always trust the American people", and I do believe that, as long as they are informed. But no credible person can pretend that our news media has done anything other than attempt to deceive the American people on almost any issue, from Iraq to our border with Mexico, to Social Security, etc.
Unfortunately, McCain, Hagel, Graham and their ilk have sold out the ordinary Republican and are apparently operating under the notion that they need only please the media types. What are we to do? Keep voting for tepid, wobbly weaklings?
I have learned that something will defeat nothing in the long term, but hate and lies can work in the short term, especially when they aren't confronted by decent people. It seems the people, like Rick Santorum, who will stand and defend their honor, as well as that of the ordinary American, are in trouble. Maybe nothing (Bob Casey) will defeat something this time. I just hope we have some real upstanding fighters coming up soon, this McCain-Hagel crowd is really discouraging.

hmmmmm
come time to vote then i am voting for my CongressWoman Anne Northup here in the 3rd district of Ky. And it is a hot race now, could go either way. and yes i don,t agree with every issue she votes for or against but the democrat running against her is wacko liberal like Pelosi.

and yes i am very angry at the spending going on in Washington but can see the donkey party spend even more. When is the republican party ever going to get a spine and say to cut spending? And not just say to cut the rate of growth?

Husker
The problem wioth paying any attention to Pelosi's public stands is she is as big a promiser as Bush et al. Whe will say what it takes to get elected and then do her thing, which is as far left on every issue as she can go. Florida is not really a tough choice state, no RINO's up for re election. If there were it would be a tough choice for me. Gridlock seems as good to me as more of a R majority in the controlling grip of Rinos like Chaffee, Specter and McCain.

When you vote for an incumbent...
...you are sending them one message.That message is "I like what you are doing,so keep doing it."

There are no nuance's.If you did not like what he was doing,or if you think he could have been doing much more your vote doesn't tell him that.It tells him you like what he is doing,so keep doing it.So don't expect change from your Congressman.

Many Dems are as disgruntled as we are.
Most of the Dems I know are as ticked off as we are, and most of them will be sitting out next month's election. Granted, common sense is becoming more and more rare among the Dems, but there's still enough to give me some hope.

Starspangle
Man oh man i hope the phenomenon you describe exists in some significant measure. All the d's i know are planning to vote. With the voters being so evenly split, a couple % staying home could make the difference either way. What are they so irked about that would lead to staying home? I can understand them being p******ed but not what would make staying home in protest seem like a good idea.

Rightmindedmom
No, I'm not a Dem. Bush has been a nightmare. His liberal domestic policy has eroded our nation from within, undercutting whatever advances he may have made by standing strong against global goons who wish to destroy us. His policies set us on course for death by cancer, rather than a bullet to the head.

Nowhere did I suggest that we should a) not vote in protest, b) vote Democratic/liberal, c) de-fund the troops. You read way too much into what I said.

What I'm pointing out is that our party has lost its vision, its way, and its appeal to the electorate at large. We need to return to conservative values that most of America embrace. I said nothing of abandonment. Perhaps you should reread what I said before?

Jim:
You hit it right on the nail. The reaganites, libertarians, EUs, and all those who have ridden on the ticket held by the GOP can either have a shot at making their utopia come true--or no shot at all.

In the end that is what this election comes down to.

jcdean1978
> GOP needs to get
> out of fantasy
> land and back
> into reality. They
> need to rediscover
> their roots and
> remember WHO and WHY
> they were sent
> to Washington.

The wisest words posted on this site. The gloom and doom being painted by so many others here reminds me of which side of the fence they really are. What sides? The sides that are metaphorically represented here:

Once, we roared like lions about our LIBERTY ... now, we bleat like sheep for safety and security.

I plan on roaring my displeasure this election cycle and will be voting Libertarian. No RINOs for me anymore, I've been fooled too many times over the past five election cycles.

This is not a game
You who whine about the GOP and blather about how you will not compromise and the GOP needs to wake up, no more RINO's etc. etc, ad nauseum think that this election is a freaking football game.

Politics is not a game. There are real world consequences. The reason we have messes in the Axis of Evil is largely due to 8 years of Clinton, Madeline Albright and Richard Holbrook foreign policy and William Cohen defense structure.

The reason we have stupid Supreme Court decisions on everything from eminent domain to abortion to rights for terrorist detainees is Stephen Breyer and RB Ginsburg. Lynne Stewart got a wrist slap from a Clinton judge.

Do any of you think anything conservative will com from the Donkey Party? Tax cuts? Immigration reform? Tough dealing with terrorists? Get your priorities straight! Before it's too late!

Love to all.

The republicans bare majority
Silicondoc wrote:

"It's pretty ridiculous to see the self righteous ziggy types wax poetic about the republican part having blown the "power" they were given. It's called a bare majority, and it's barely that, and the democrats have enough power to toy with the republicans maneuvers at every twist and turn."

McCain-Feingold?
No Child Left Behind?
Medicare Prescription Drug Plan?
Harriet Myers?
Patriot Act?
Holding American Citizens in violation of their Constitutional Rights?
Port Operations given to the UAE?
Open Borders Policy?
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens?
Encouraging the outsourcing of American jobs?
North American Union?

For me, it's not so much what they haven't done as much as what they HAVE done, and the positions they have taken. You can't blame that on the Democrats and you can't disregard that based on a "bare majority".

All of the above were championed by the President or the Republican Congress. Is this what you want MORE of? Is this your idea of "conservative principles"?

Sorry, I can't support a party that does these things or advocates these positions. It will destroy our country just as surely as the democrats positions will. Which leaves me with no one to vote for.




Can you live with this?
Is there anyone here who doubts that of the 2 major parties the Repubs support the troops? IF the dems take power and IF they get their way in Iraq, then all the sacrifices our troops have made will have been in vain. So the question to any conservative considering sitting this one out is:

Can you live with that?

I cannot and will not put that knife in the troops backs.
How anyone could even think about allowing the treasonous dem party back in power is beyond me.

BUSH IN THE GARDEN OF GOOD AND EVIL…
George Bush is the first American President expressing Christian certitude in his Presidential decisions. God even speaks to Bush, and as the President told the press, he consulted with “another Father,” “a higher authority” than Bush41 on going to war with Iraq. If true, presumably God would have also told him how to win this Iraq war without all the mistakes, suffering and death.

The world has seen Christian certitude before and it’s not a pretty picture: papal infallibility when the Pope had armies, the Inquisition (intolerance at home) and the Crusades (intolerance abroad). When the Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099, they slaughtered all its inhabitants. When the Arab leader Saladin recaptured the city, he spared all the Christian inhabitants. So the Middle East is already primed for another war with Christian invaders; and accordingly and as the latest NIE confirms, the war in Iraq has increased the number of jihadists and terrorists and made America less safe. This is not praise for the enemy, but history and insight into why our “bring it on” cowboy President is only fueling this centuries-old fire.

Our brave, innocent young men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan are fighting for a better world, but a leader ignorant of history and cultures can easily cause the opposite. The stupidity of World War I and of Wilson, Lloyd George and Clemenceau caused terrible consequences for another 70 years after the end of that war. Afghanistan is the right war, certainly a just war and the whole world agreed and was on our side, and if we would have concentrated our efforts there we probably would have wiped out Bin Laden and those responsible for 9-11 by now. Iraq is the wrong war even if hopefully we win it, and Iran will be another, but larger wrong war.

The leader of Iran comes off as a whacko, however, the Iranians and the rest of the world view George Bush in the same way, so there is a common starting point. Real diplomacy involves talking with your adversary one-on-one without preconditions, and Russia and China have forced Bush to make a positive step in that direction. And there’s a lot to discuss with Iran: the CIA in the 1950s, the Shah, the 1979 hostage crisis, sponsorship of terror, Israel and justice in the Middle East. But if past is prelude, then Bush’s diplomacy with Iran will be perfunctory and manipulated (as it was with Iraq), and likely God has already spoken to our President and told him to go to war after the November 2006 elections (as he did with Iraq in 2002-2003). When Bush finally increases the level of hatred against the United States to where it engulfs Pakistan, then we face nuclear terror, and Biblical Armageddon becomes real and a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Back at home, Christian certitude is present in Bush’s politics of division and hate. Nonbelievers of Bush’s Christian values and policies are viewed with contempt, instead of as fellow citizens in a pluralistic democracy. Civility has gone out of our civilization, and this type of Christian Right hate is now completely out of the closet with Ann Coulter’s latest book, which has been repudiated by few if any on the right who claim to practice the Christian message of love. Hate, hate, hate!? -- welcome to the new America. The Foley-Hastert scandal further shows the actual evil of the "perfect" practice of Christian good.

“Good and evil” is a concept common in religion, morality and ethics. Obviously the whole world needs more good and less evil. But is there a practical definition that everyone can agree on and that lends itself to objective measurement. How about: GOOD is something that makes the many human lives better and no or few lives worse, while EVIL is something that makes many lives worse, and no or few lives better. Some obvious good in this world: Habitat for Humanity, St Jude’s Children Hospital, etc. Evil under this definition would include a considerable number of Hollywood movies, a lot of poison on TV and violent video games, and internationally the Kim regime in North Korea and what it has done to its citizens.

Measuring George Bush’s actions by this definition with objective facts, our compassionate conservative, Christian President does mostly evil: from the growing Iraq disaster to Katrina mismanagement/incompetence to “no child left behind” (children in extreme poverty up 20% since Bush took office) to the $3 trillion dollar tax giveaway to the rich. Particulars on the last item: SUPPLY-SIDE (trickle-down) economics is a bogus theory promoted by those who benefit from it. In a mature capitalist system, supply side never rules, it’s always the demand side of the equation that governs growth and well-being. Think about the 1930s Depression, General Motors had plenty of supply, but demand evaporated.

Previous U.S. recessions have been cured with only $200 billion in tax cuts targeted to the middle class, because the consumer (the great middle class) spends that tax cut and primes the economic pump. But George Bush has raised the debt that your children and grandchildren will have to pay from almost $6 trillion to almost $9 trillion for this current recovery, which is uniquely without wage gains, and which has shrunk the middle class that makes America strong and great.

Corporations (the supply side) are now loaded with cash, but there’s no place to spend it because they don’t see any demand. So many corporations are using that cash to buy back their stock -- WOW, isn’t supply side wonderful in how it fulfills America’s needs? As the rich-poor divide increases, we’re headed toward previous shining examples of trickle-down economics: South America of the recent past and feudalism in the Middle Ages (South America and feudalism also had no wage gains). This is such good evil by our Christian President and his myriad of engorged friends.

I see a dark future for the country we all love. Even our Constitution is at risk when a President says he speaks directly to God (witness how God/Allah influences and corrupts Islamic attempts at democracy). The Constitution guarantees freedom to all, and freedom for all from tyranny. Our precious Constitution binds us together as a nation, and allegiance to it is the definition of patriotism.

John Citizen-ignorant about religion
Your rant reveals a fundamental flaw that neutralizes anything you say on the subject of relogion.

You say, "Even our Constitution is at risk when a President says he speaks directly to God (witness how God/Allah influences and corrupts Islamic attempts at democracy)." Note:The idea that "He speaks directly to God" is supposed to put our Constitution at risk?

Not only is the basis of all monotheism the idea that we can and should talk directly to God, but I daresay EVERY President we've ever had considered it a necessary part of his governance.

Look it up.

Your anti-Christian bigotry and Bush hatred are revealed for the lunacy and intolerance it is, regardless of your pretty talk.

Love to all.

JohnCitizen: Take that "Garden" post
and put it where the sun don't shine. Enough. It's not nearly as brilliant as you seem to think it is, and it's getting pretty tiresome seeing it take up screen space.

If you think it's as insightful as "all that", start your own blog and put it there.

As the saying goes:
"All politics is local"

People don't cast a vote in a Congressional election for a party. They vote for their individual Congressman.

As you all know, I am VERY disgusted with the Repub party. However, I am voting for my congressman, Buck McKeon, because he's a very solid conservative who's right on all the issues (as it happens, lucky for me). I am also more than disgusted with my Senator, Dianne Feinstein, and will be voting for her opponent.

But those votes are based on their values as individuals, not as votes for or against a party.

That's why I actually think that the Rep party will maintain control of at least the House. Probably the Senate, also.

HOWEVER, come 2008, the same mechanics will also hold true, and should the Rep party put up some lame-o RINO as the candidate, I'll be more than happy to not cast a vote in that race. Won't stay home, because there are also other races and issues for which to cast votes, but I'm not voting for someone with whom I disagree, regardless of party.

When Dan Lundgren was running for Governor here in Leftifornia, I voted in the election, but did NOT vote for him. He lost. Gray Davis won, to ultimately be replaced by Shwarzie after he was recalled. That's about as good as it gets, unfortunately, out here. But it is indicative of the issue the Rep party has to deal with nationwide.

Words of Wisdom
"Why some so-called conservative leaders want to spend their time issuing advance notice of GOP doom instead of working to get someone of these candidates over the top is a sure sign that the speakers are neither conservative, nor leaders"

Hugh Hewitt remains one of my favorite talk show hosts, someone who doesn't hide behind the non-arguable term of "Conservative". He's a Republican and ready to fight for and be a part of his party.

You got to wonder about those claiming that the GOP "let them down"...but deny being Republican. One poster said that the party was just a means to an end...many talk show host insist they are "Conservatives" first--Republicans-maybe.

Politics make strange bed fellows indeed, but I don't think having such wishy washy--don't know the meaning of loyalty and support--are ones the GOP can afford to keep. They have done more harm than the Left with their billion dollar check book, because unlike the looney Left, these extremes are masquerading as the base of REAL Conservatism.

Give me a break
Sure Hugh we should all run to the polls and reward bad behavior by the republicans.
Hmm let's see...
-Failure to deal with illegal immigation (we will have 12 to 20 million new "citizens" after the election regardless of which party wins)

-Out of control spending including two new government leviathans, Homeland security and prescription drug program.

-Our porus border still like swiss cheese and if you think that 700 miles of fence is going to be built i have a bridge....

I could go on and on and on but the point is:

We have to punish the republicans or the lesson is "do what you want we will vote for you regardless because of the alternative".
The republican party is simply not a conservative party any longer.

Also guys like you and Limbaugh and the like who are attacking your own because we are so ticked off are showing what republican hacks you truly are. It's a shame.

wenger31 answer, please
Let me repeat myself and let the whiners answer these points instead of continued outrage:

This is not a game.

You who whine about the GOP and blather about how you will not compromise and the GOP needs to wake up, no more RINO's etc. etc, ad nauseum think that this election is a freaking football game.

Politics is not a game. There are real world consequences. The reason we have messes in the Axis of Evil is largely due to 8 years of Clinton, Madeline Albright and Richard Holbrook foreign policy and William Cohen defense structure.

The reason we have stupid Supreme Court decisions on everything from eminent domain to abortion to rights for terrorist detainees is Stephen Breyer and RB Ginsburg. Lynne Stewart got a wrist slap from a Clinton judge.

Do any of you think anything conservative will com from the Donkey Party? Tax cuts? Immigration reform? Tough dealing with terrorists? Get your priorities straight! Before it's too late!

Love to all.

Money
One of the posters above mentioned money, and he has it right. Talk used to be about how the RNC tapped their computer bank of names for millions of small donations, while the D's were the party of the rich donor, like Soros. If we "little" conservatives who funded the turn around in 94 withhold bucks, or even better, support candidates like Katherine Harris or any conservative running against a RINO, even in another state, someone is going to get the message. In the meantime, return those postage free envelopes with bitter messages and no money. Be polite to the volunteers who call regularly, but tell them you can not give money to anyone who wastes yours, then hang up quickly so they can make more calls and get more voter-pulse data. Replacing RINOs will be a long term process, requiring local participation, and more failures than wins. But the wins will stick, and the failures will fade, sooner or later. In the meantime, voting for principle may be more subtle than merely a refusal to vote for a RINO. Vote to advance your principles. This may mean using a RINO as your only choice to keep R's in control of the agenda. After all, conservative uproar did sink the Meiers nomination, and there are at least signs the turncoat rats in DC are finally noticing voters want immigration laws enforced. By the way, a fence is useless pork subterfuge if not enforced.

Disgruntled Democrats --- come on over
Are we still posting on this column???
If so I hope this is the last word.

Unless there are millions of mindless Democrats who will vote the party line regardless of what is says or who it is or the consequences that will follow, there must be thousands of you, perhaps tens of thousands, who are fed up with radical left obstructionism, negativism, Howard Dean, Pelosi, Reid, and no plan or ideas.

Ok, so Bush is not your average Democrat President; aren't you at least a little ashamed and embarrassed of the way your party villifies him, mocks him, threatens to kill him, works against his every policy without offering anything constructive?? I don't believe all of you can get up in the morning to such unproductive beliefs.

There is a Psalm that begins, Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, or stand in the way of sinners, or sit in the seat of mockers..." which, while calling all of us to praise God, also calls us to a way of life that is not habitually evil, unproductive, or negative among other things.

This is not a call to vote Republican. You can vote or not as you please

This is an appeal to the conscience of you Democrats who are fed up with your party's radical left turn, to stop and think where the likely policies of the left will lead the country. Think. Do you want a radicalized, over-regulated, socialist America where the Constitution and freedom of speech are squelched? Do you want to be governed by people who constantly stream hate, anger. bitter controversy and argument?

I believe we are better than that and, pollyanna that I am, I believe that even disaffected Democrats, Republicans, and assorted screamers, many of whose comments preceded this one, can act in accord for the good of our country and for our future. We can still disagree but on one thing there can be no disagreement: we cannot let our culture or our governance slip through our fingers into the "seat of mockers."

Lesser of two evils..
As no man is perfect, conservatives are always voting for the lesser of two evils. If you don't review the voting records of the candidates & base your vote on campaign promises, you'll probably vote for the greater of two evils (a RINO). Not voting is a vote for the greater of two evils.

(What's putting our constitution at risk is the communist based ACLU & the Karl Marx 5 of the supreme court.)



Response to Bill (Disgruntled Democrats)
Bill - you are either ignorant or a fool. You speak of the Democrats squelching the Constitution and freedom of speech without a hint of recognition of the death of habeas corpus. Oh, and shall we discuss the benefits that we all gain from the implementation of the Patriot Act?

And drop the religion crap. Doesn't belong in a political discussion. You're probably just another armchair warrior who feels that the war has something to do with your security yet would not, for an instant, consider entering the fight.

priorities
If on 9/12, GW and the GOP said to America...here are your choices:

1- Fight the war on terror over "there" OR close the borders...

2- Equip our military OR no prescription for one of the biggest voting blocks..senior citizen...

3- Tax cuts that not only bring back our economy but make it one of the best in near 40 years OR cut pet projects of key Democratic politician.

I know what wenger31 would choose in his desire to "punish" the GOP...but that is because he doesn't understand that life, especially life in Washington is a series of choices.

But what about the rest of America? It's not a matter of choosing the lesser of 2 evils...it's a matter of knowing that you can't win if you forfeit.

retired navy?
As Hewitt said to Rick Shaftan..."I don't believe...that you were in the navy."

Why? Not because ALL military support the Commander in Chief...obviously the "ALL" can't be true. But this much is...most people in the U.S. armed forces are trained to win and know the difference between enemy combatants and everyday criminals. Most laud the Patriot Act because they are less concern with the rights of those who would take down the country they vowed to protect and welcome any help that will enable them to do their job.

But the main reason I do not believe you is because of your dismissive attitude toward religion and "arm chair warriors". Perhaps no one has had more reason to bring religion into their daily lives than someone who puts his hide on the line every day...and no one appreciates the professional warrior like an arm chair one--and the respect is almost always returned.

One of the first lessons learned at boot camp is class...and you have shown very little.

not voting
Is a complete wimp out.
Any of you who abstain should be ashamed to be called Americans.

Do you realize what sacrifices other men and women made so you can cast that ballot.

Just so you can take that 20 minutes out of your oh-so-important life?

Don't vote republican if that is what suits you, but DO VOTE. We owe it to our predecessors who gave up everything for the priviledge.


Welcome Home
Something very moving happened to me tonight at Wal-Mart. There was a group taking contribution for hospitalized Vets. I only had a small amount of change on me and as I gave it to the lady I told her I was a Vet. She took my hand and held it near her and said, “Welcome home and thank for serving our precious country! God bless you!” I also conveyed my desire to have God bless her.

As I walked away, tears came to my eyes as I realized that no one outside of my family had ever told me that before. Some have thanked me for my service but the “Welcome home” part stuck with me most. I served in an unpopular war literally protested by some of the same people who are against the war in Iraq. Thanks to them, my compatriots in arms never did get a proper welcome home. Each time a Viet Nam Vet is buried a lie is told when the flag is presented to the next of kin. It is supposedly given by a “grateful nation” and that just isn’t so as the nation was not and is still not grateful for what my band of brothers did there.

I can remember walking down the streets of Denver in my uniform and being ice balled not realizing why it was happening until I relayed the story back at the base. In my teenage naiveté I used the hippie and anti-war slogans before I enlisted. My major protest over that war now is that the coward Leftists in the streets and in the Congressional seats sold us down the river and left us hanging high and dry making our sacrifices in vain.

Those same people want the power to do it again to my brothers and sisters in the War on Terror. They were cowards then and they are cowards now. I pray that they are not given that opportunity. I would come out of retirement and have tried to do so to stand by our courageous troops! I am just too old for battle in the field but I will do battle for them in the voting booth. I cannot in good conscience watch history repeat itself. No one stood up for us back then but we must stand up for this batch of heroes and not make their sacrifices vain. Kick the Left to the curb since they like the streets so much or else we may have to fight in the streets of New York and LA instead of Baghdad and Kabul.

To my compatriots who have finished their tour of duty, WELCOME HOME!! May God grant you great peace! I thank that lady for her words of welcome to my earthly home. The ones I long to hear after I finish my battle here is from my Saviour Jesus Christ as He leads me to my eternal home. May we be found Semper Fidelis!

Maverick
For a period after 9/11, firemen, policemen, and the military for once in my lifetime were considered heroes. I remember watching armed national guards walking the streets and little old ladies come up and telling them "thank you."

I asked a Vietnam Vet how he felt about that because I knew he had been treated to a very different sentiment before, during and after the Vietnam war.

I expected him...and wouldn't have blamed him...to be bitter.

He wasn't. He gave me a little smile and said he was glad that the military was finally getting some respect.

Not a month goes by without some story of some mother whose kid has re-enlisted and how angry/proud she is.

One mother told another that their children were a different breed...I think so.

It is because of what happened to your generation of fighting men and because of what can happened to those who have picked up the gauntlet that I am determined to do whatever necessary to make sure that the Dems do not be put in the position where they can pull the funding from our military and make them come home in shame.

The next time someone wants to "punish" the GOP, think about who they may really be punishing if they let the anti-military Left take over.


Why not vote?
I live in Colorado's 2nd CD and with the PRB (People's Republic of Boulder) in the same district we have virtually no chance of ever beating the Democrat. However, that has never stopped me from voting for the GOP candidate, regardless of whether he or she were conservative or tending toward the left. The issue is, and will always be, about who controls the House and Senate.

Colorado experienced that in 2000 when some strong conservatives who didn't get their way in some primaries didn't vote for some of the races. As a result we lost the Colorado Senate by 1 seat and then they gerrymandered the state so we had even greater losses in 2004. In a primarily Republican state we have now control neither the Representatives nor the Senate.

I am very conservative in my philosophy so I get disappointed by the incremental liberal moves that I see by many Republicans. But you ought not choose to vote for the Ds by not voting for the Rs.

Colorado Man
I too come from a state so Blue that it was one of only two states to vote for Jimmy Carter in his bid for a second term (not even Carter's own state did that).

And talk about party affiliaton! In 2002, I watched as Fox reported a GOP sweep...and then our state...voting Democratic as usual...including voting for a dead woman knowing that because she couldn't serve, we'd have to pay an additional 3.5 MILLION DOLLARS to hold a second election for her seat (among her party). The Dems party leader called it a 3.5 million dollar "memorial". And the people bought it...geez.

But despite the apparent hopelessness, election after election, I cast my vote, mostly for Republicans because I am pro-life and a Christian.

And in 2004, when ALL those under the Republican banner felt it was more important to keep the Dems from holding the purse strings to the war on terror than what Bush and the GOP DIDN'T give them...for the first time in 40 years, our state was in "danger" of voting Red.

Now, the Reaganites, Buchananites, and Libertarians are going to do what Conservatives NEVER do...cut and run...from politics and who will control a nation at war.


Insanity102
Well, we have something in common in that we don't believe something about each other. You don't believe that I was in the Navy and i don't believe that you have an ounce of common sense.

You said "most people in the U.S. armed forces are trained to win...". Wrong. Everyone is trained to win, just some do not. You're probably one of those. If you choose to allow your freedoms to be lost to a tyrant, that is where you have lost your common sense and you have forfeit your right to call yourself an American. Go to a country to live where it is acceptable to have your rights and personal freedoms taken away because you don't belong in the fight if you won't stand up for what the country was founded on.

You give me the impression that you have some military experience. How can you respect armchair warriors - people who would never even consider entering the military to support the country. These sort of people have absolutely no right to support war if they have never served the country in the military. This includes most of the current administration and the republican leadership in general. These are the people who never served and started a war in order to make profit. You don't really think that Cheney and his connections to Halliburton had nothing to do with the war, do you? Or how about the incredible amount of money that Bush has made as a result of increased prices at the pump?

Stop being a chicken 5hit and stand up for yourself.


For those of you who didn't know it...

The Republican party is lost
If we keep voting for the lesser of 2 evils, we are still left with evil. It is time to vote for the person, regardless of political party, who has the foundation beliefs that support and defend the Constitution of our great country.

Do continue doing what we have been doing is insuring America will keep declining. The Republicans might bring it down more slowly, but bring it down, they will. That is, unless they police their own party and get true Conservatives running for office.

The ones we have now, gave us the Patriot Acts, a national ID card, the Military Commission Act which provides for American citizens being arrested and sent to secret prisons indefinitely, Homeland security cameras on every corner, illegal wiretapping of Americans, the signing of non-free trade agreements that have/are shipping our industry and jobs overseas, our borders being overrun by illegal aliens, while we sent the border patrol to prison that try to stop them.

I'm sorry, what I see in the Republican Party right now is a bunch of socialists, or what they'd rather call themselves, Neo-cons. They have no relationship whatsoever to traditional conservative ideals and they need to be voted out of office.

Shadow Govt.


Dear Minutemen,

"About 1,000 documents obtained in a Freedom of Information Act
request to the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America
show the White House is engaging in collaborative relations with Mexico
and Canada outside the U.S. Constitution, says WND columnist and author
Jerome Corsi. "The documents give clear evidence that the Bush
administration has created a 'shadow government,'" Corsi said. The
documents can be viewed on a special website set up by the Minuteman
Project - http://www.StopSPP.com .... "

Minutemen, while we were busy... some in our government were busy too.

Please visit our new website, "Stop the Security and Prosperity
Partnership" - http://www.StopSPP.com

We have worked for weeks with Dr. Corsi and Jim Gilchrist to develop
this site. Along with the FOIA documents requested by Dr. Corsi, we
have several articles on the SPP and the North American Union. We also
have a new Poll online and a Forum section for your comments. Much more
will be added over the next several months.

Please let others know about StopSPP.com - We need your help to fight
the North American Union!

For the Cause, Linda

PS -- Below is the latest Minuteman Project press release and a World
Net Daily article about our new website.

----------------

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
24 October 2006

CONTACT: Tim Bueler
(530) 401-3285
http://www.MinutemanProject.com

MINUTEMAN PROJECT EXPOSES WHITE HOUSE COVER-UP

Documents reveal 'shadow government'

Freedom of Information request puts 1,000 new pages online

Washington, D.C. - About 1,000 documents obtained in a Freedom of
Information Act request to the Security and Prosperity Partnership of
North America show the White House is engaging in collaborative
relations with Mexico and Canada outside the U.S. Constitution, says
Minuteman columnist and author Dr. Jerome Corsi.

"The documents give clear evidence that the Bush administration has
created a 'shadow government,'" Corsi said.

The documents can be viewed here http://stopspp.com/stopspp/? page_id=11, on a special website set up by the Minuteman Project.

Bureaucrats from agencies throughout the Bush administration are
meeting regularly with their counterpart bureaucrats in the Canadian
and Mexican governments to engage in a broad rewriting of U.S.
administrative law and regulations into a new trilateral North American
configuration, Corsi contends.

"We have hundreds of pages of e-mails from U.S. executive branch
administrators who are copying the e-mail to somewhere between 25 to
100 people, a third of whom are in the U.S. bureaucracy, a third of
whom are in the Mexican bureaucracy, and a third of whom are in the
Canadian bureaucracy," said Corsi.

"They are sharing their laws and regulations so we can 'harmonize' and
'integrate' our laws into a North American structure, not a USA
structure."

Corsi claims the process is well along the way.

"This is totally outside the U.S. Constitution, virtually an executive
branch coup d'etat," he said. "SPP is creating new trilateral memoranda
of understanding and mutual agreements which should be submitted to
Senate for two-thirds votes as international treaties."

Corsi said the documentation he received is missing key pieces.

"We received very few actual agreements, though many are referenced,"
he said. "Many of the work plans described lack the work products which
the groups say they produced."

SOURCE: MinutemanProject.com
The Minuteman Project
P.O. Box 3944
Laguna Hills, California 92654

---------

Documents Reveal 'Shadow Government';

Freedom of Information Request Puts 1,000 New Pages Online

WorldNetDaily.com - October 24, 2006

About 1,000 documents obtained in a Freedom of Information Act request
to the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America show the
White House is engaging in collaborative relations with Mexico and
Canada outside the U.S. Constitution, says WND columnist and author
Jerome Corsi.

"The documents give clear evidence that the Bush administration has
created a 'shadow government,'" Corsi said.

The documents can be viewed on a special website set up by the
Minuteman Project - http://www.StopSPP.com

Bureaucrats from agencies throughout the Bush administration are
meeting regularly with their counterpart bureaucrats in the Canadian
and Mexican governments to engage in a broad rewriting of U.S.
administrative law and regulations into a new trilateral North American
configuration, Corsi contends.

"We have hundreds of pages of e-mails from U.S. executive branch
administrators who are copying the e-mail to somewhere between 25 to
100 people, a third of whom are in the U.S. bureaucracy, a third of
whom are in the Mexican bureaucracy and a third of whom are in the
Canadian bureaucracy," said Corsi.

"They are sharing their laws and regulations so we can 'harmonize' and
'integrate' our laws into a North American structure, not a USA
structure."

Corsi claims the process is well along the way.

"This is totally outside the U.S. Constitution, virtually an executive
branch coup d'etat," he said. "SPP is creating new trilateral memoranda
of understanding and mutual agreements which should be submitted to
Senate for two-thirds votes as international treaties."

Corsi said the documentation he received is missing key pieces.

"We received very few actual agreements, though many are referenced,"
he said. "Many of the work plans described lack the work products which
the groups say they produced."

SOURCE: WorldNetDaily.com

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