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Thursday, August 24, 2006
Hugh Hewitt :: Townhall.com Columnist
An interview with the general
by Hugh Hewitt
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When did you last see or hear Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Peter Pace, or Commander of Central Command, General John Abizaid, appear on one of the big three networks in prime time for a conversation on the war?
 
Mike Wallace was eager to bring us Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's worldview to American living rooms, but have any of the networks been as busy setting out before the public our military's view of the stakes of the conflict and the nature of the enemy?
 
On Tuesday, August 22, I spent 25 minutes interviewing General Abizaid, and played the entire interview twice on my radio program. The transcript is here. It is not a "gotcha" interview. I didn't ask about Haditha, or Abu Ghraib or any other subject designed to create a headline. Rather, my questions are straightforward inquiries about the conduct of the war and the stakes involved. General Abizaid is a widely admired military leader, and his responses are candid as well as focused. Here is one of the crucial exchanges:

HH: General Abizaid, is the American media, and I understand fully your commitment to 1st Amendment freedom, as every member of the American military is always quick to say. But is the American media making your job easier or harder in securing stability, and in ending extremism in the region?

JA: Well, I don't know that I want to characterize what the American media is doing or not doing, other than to say it would be a huge help for everybody if we started talking about our enemies out here, what they stand for, what they want, what their vision of the world is, why they're dangerous, and how this is a worthy fight to fight at this level now, rather than letting it wait to get worse. And I think that's the unspoken story, it's the enemy.

The evening after the interview I was honored to have a meal with a young Marine lieutenant who has completed two tours in Iraq, and is currently based at Camp Pendleton. Ronnie's a Naval Academy graduate and is everything Americans hope our young officers are, including absolutely committed to victory and yet very concerned for their troops and for the future of Iraq.

We spent a lot of time talking about the enemy he and his Marines had faced and the conditions under which these Marines operated. He told me that upon return from his second tour he had taken every opportunity offered him from every group no matter how large or small to explain the war with an emphasis on the enemy and their inhuman cruelty and barbarian practices. He described the first beheading video he had seen and how it was important to watch even though it was so deeply repulsive. And he talked about their tactics.

Every once and awhile, we civilians catch a glimpse of the barbarians at the gate, as when the details of the London bombing plot leak out, or when the carnage of Mumbai is recalled.

But then Reuters gets to doctoring its photos, and Mike Wallace hauls off to Tehran and doesn't bother to ask President Ahmadinejad about the torture and the disappeared, the use of indiscriminate weapons by Hezbollah against civilians or the routine declaration of intent in jihadist websites, we begin to forget the reality of the war.

It isn't as though these are hard stories to find, or the intentions of the enemy difficult to discern. The MSM could in fact be doing its job of informing the public of the key facts of their lives. More from General Abizaid:

HH: General, I'm aware of your time, so I don't want to abuse it. I'll do two more questions, unless you want to go longer. I'll go as long as you want, but I know you're busy. Is the issue of pre-invasion WMD in Iraq closed in your mind, General?

JA: Well, I always hesitate, Hugh, to get involved in this issue that's become so highly politicized. Let me just say the issue of WMD is probably the single most important issue in the region. And every day, I deal with the intelligence of looking over what al Qaeda talks about. And as a matter of fact, all you have to do is go to their websites. They are looking for safe havens so they can gain time to develop WMD of some sort, whether it's chemical, biological or nuclear. They have the intent to use it, they have stated it openly, over and over again, and were it not for the fact that these people are trying to acquire WMD and intend to use it against us, and the technological capability in the world today might allow that to happen, I'm not so sure that the effort out here would need to be as big as it is. But we've got to keep these guys on the defensive. We can't let them get a safe haven, and we absolutely can't let them get WMD in their hands.

Have you ever seen a MSM story in prime time on the ongoing efforts of jihadists to obtain WMD? The sort of story that makes the threat real, and not some speculation about unnamed bad guys hoping to do unspecified bad things?

Which brings me to the last exchange with the General Abizaid:

HH: And General, that leads me to my last question. World Trade Center is in theaters now in the United States. It reminds people of five years ago. How great is the threat to the home front from those WMD that you've discussed just now? And do the American people fully appreciate that threat?

JA: I can only say that as I...when I go home and spend time where my headquarters is in Tampa, or when I spend time where I'm from on the West Coast, it's hard to really notice that there's much of a war going on, thinking that there's a World War II level of effort going on in the middle of the Middle East, Central Asia, and the Horn of Africa, is hard for most people to appreciate. I think it's important that people understand the dangers of not contesting this area. If we let the extremists get embedded, if we let the extremists gain ground, if we let the extremists have time and resources, then I believe they'll eventually insinuate their way into the mainstream. They could then gain territory, gain time, gain weapons of mass destruction. And over time, they'd move us to the war that we're all, the big war that we're all trying to avoid. So I can only tell you that what we're doing out here is very, very important for our security. We were actually fighting these people well before 9/11, and it takes a little bit of time and effort, but people need to educate themselves about why we're fighting who we're fighting, and what it means if we back away from them. I think our young troops that are out here fighting are doing a wonderful job, and an absolutely necessary job. And I'd also like to say, just to kind of close up, Hugh, is that I don't believe it's necessary to stay out here in this huge force size forever. We can, over time, get our own forces down as long as the moderates in the region are willing to stand up, take responsibility, and move against these extremists on their own. So helping them help themselves is really the key to our success. I believe we're doing that in a lot of places. It's a hard fight, it's a long fight, but with patience and perseverence, we can do it. We certainly have got the courage of our troops to rely upon, and they won't let us down.

Blogger Charles Glenn thought General Abizaid was delivering a gentle rebuke to conservative writers urging realism as to the limits of American power. I think it was a much more general appeal for focus. General Abizaid didn't criticize critics of the war, or demands for withdrawal, or the assigners of blame. He did urge attention to the specifics of what the United States faces in the years ahead. It was a sober, specific and deeply sincere set of comments that I wish had a prime time audience, and one on television, not just syndicated radio.

When MSM got head faked on Tet, its biggest names didn't know any better. In 2006 the enemy knows it is an information war, and that America's greatest vulnerability lies in its attention span and its distaste for sad but not tragic news. But so does every senior member of the MSM. E-mails like this one from a Battalion Commander in Afghanistan need wide dissemination but receive only sporadic attention. General Abizaid and other key figures in the center of the fight deserve the opportunity to speak directly with the American people about the war and its progress, and not just in Iraq, but in Afghanistan, Somalia, India and everywhere around the world where the enemy nests as it plans to strike.

Every day that goes by with many network minutes devoted to a nutter claiming connection to a decade old murder contrasted with silence or near silence on the enemy is another day of negligence, and of the worst sort. How is it that the military attracts such great young people and senior leadership, and the MSM is captained by those indifferent to the most serious conflict of their lives?

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Thank You
for this article.

Hugh: thanks again for the link, but ...
... it's Charles Glenn, not Charles Green ;-)

Terriorism
Even if General Abizaid was given MSM attention in prime time, little would change.

People are making absolutely no sacrifice, relative to the war in Iraq, and all we hear about is the terriorists, and the killing of our troops, and only our troops.

All we seem to hear about is our stupid President ("King George"), and Dick Cheney (the King of Haliburton). I admire and support George Bush, but he is so hated by the left that he can do nothing right or good.

The war has been politicized and minimized, and most people have no clue about the philosophy and determination of these radicals.

Until the next terriorist act in this country, which will happen when Bush is out of office, we will remain in a state of ignorance, apathy, and denial.

News junkies, and talk show listeners, like me, hear the real story. We know what the general is talking about. Keep up the good work, and I pray that the tide will turn.

The MSM
Has become one of the most destructive forces in the US of A. When the major "news" organizations, print and otherwise, become propoganda machines for the Left - and they have - the country is in deep serious trouble from within. Thanks, Hugh, for the good fight. I continue to believe we Americans who haven't forgotten what that means must remain staunch patriots. Those like the General, and the men and women who fight for him, continue to give me hope.

Phylo?
Anybody else notice that "Phylo" hasn't seen fit to weigh in on the General's facts about what we are doing in Iraq and why it is important to America's future security?

I'm sure in Phylo's world, the General is just parroting the "talking points" provided by Bush/Cheney et-al, under fear of court-martial! LOL

An Interview With the General
I believe the MSM is doing a tremendous diservice to the American public by not discussing the terrorist's goals and methods. The media is not upholding the great traditions of the press in wartime by telling the WHOLE truth; but only the "truth" they want to display. That all comes from this question from Mr. Hewitt:
"How is it that the military attracts such great young people and senior leadership, and the MSM is captained by those indifferent to the most serious conflict of their lives?"

If we had more serious students of history leading the MSM, then maybe the MSM wouldn't be the problem it is today.
Gunship Cowboy

Great Interview
Thanks for the article. I agree, it can't be said enough....

MSM Complicity
The MSM has an agenda, leftward-veering, for America. It's not that the MSM wants terrorists to win, but they want the right-wing of the political spectrum to lose.

That's why we (the news-consuming public) hear only how many US and coalition forces died, never how many terrorists were killed. Wouldn't want to get our hopes up, would they?

The NYT (et al) editorially feel we shouldn't be fighting terror at all, that Islamo-Fascism isn't a threat. They also believe that any action or program the US government (right-wing only) attempts to initiate to combat Islamo-Fascism is not only useless but constitutionally illegal.

It's been said before by others, but I must reiterate: the fourth estate is the fifth column.

The General gets it
This interview is a real service to all Americans. It's good to know that General Abizaid has a clear picture of the real scope of this war--that it's not just about Iraq. This is truly a world war, and we're in the first, not the next to last, round of it.

It is certainly true that most Americans have not had to make sacrifices and really face up to the kind of war we are in. ON this I do blame Bush. He needs to be able to articulate good reasons for American sacrifices-both in the Middle East and at home.

Thanks for a great column
It is so sad that our schools of journalism are turning out such poor journalists! And higher education on the whole, once revered, has turned into a den of thieves - many professors are simply tenured liberal-minded aged hippies trying desperately to mold the minds of our young people. Conservative students on many campuses are automatically denied good grades - not because of the quality of their work, but because the content does not suit the professor! I salute the young people who have chosen to serve our country...they will be the future leaders who will help save America in the years ahead!

Thanks General
Thanks for taking the time to talk to us. If only Bush would keep pounding it in to the thick heads of the antiwar folks. Show some beheadings in detail and tell the folks unless we are vigilant we could be next, in fact will be. Also
this war needs to be stepped up and those terrorists, tortured, pounded into the ground and demoralized until they are either all dead or
have lost the will to fight! Why Mr. Bush are we
playing cat and mouse in Iraq? This front of the
war should have ended with the ruin of Syria and Iran. What the hell are we waiting for???

General's &Tet 68's effect on the press
As a Vietnam Veteran who frequently spent the night in S. Vietnam hamlets, 1969-70, protected only by local militias, I was on-the-ground aware of how much the Communist infrastructure was destroyed during the preceding Tet 68. I also spoke Vietnamese, having been trained in the states before going over.

North Vietnamese archives show that the enemy felt they had lost the war in Tet 68 and wanted to sue for peace. Had the Chinese & Russians not convinced them to hold on, realizing that Walter Cronkite had turned tail on national TV (this is when I started my gradual rejection of the mainstream media as a source of news), today we would have a north and south Vietnam, much as we see in Korea. I hear from visitors to Vietnam that the the southern part of Vietnam is thriving, the northern part still caught in a depressing and static socialism. Our influence never left.

My guess is that our soldiers in Iraq, who work with Iraqis every day, as I did with Vietnamese, know the truth: we are winning day by day. That is what General A was saying--his meta-message is stay the course, dont forget those Iraqis who have made the life-death decision to work for freedom, and for God's sake, dont listen to the Walter Cronkite's of today.

Great interview...
did anyone read Anne Coulters article!? Man out of the park, relates alot to what Hugh is saying.

Osama's dreamland vs. Saudi Arabia
Anybody read the General's description of the ideal Osama-land? Executions in the soccer stadium, women with no rights, sharia law? Sounds horrible to Westerners, don't it? It also sounds a heckuva lot like our good buddies, Saudi Arabia.

I don't doubt that the General was sincere, but we, as a people, and the current administration, need to come clean. Realpolitik is messy, and for us to claim we're riding in on a white horse to make the world safe for democracy and women's rights is flat out hypocrisy. While we'd love that in theory, we'll settle for a compliant, friendly, stable middle east that allows us free access to all the oil we need and doesn't harbor terrorists. (Or at least treats them like the Jordanian intelligence forces do.)

Osama's dreamland vs. Saudi Arabia
Anybody read the General's description of the ideal Osama-land? Executions in the soccer stadium, women with no rights, sharia law? Sounds horrible to Westerners, don't it? It also sounds a heckuva lot like our good buddies, Saudi Arabia.

I don't doubt that the General was sincere, but we, as a people, and the current administration, need to come clean. Realpolitik is messy, and for us to claim we're riding in on a white horse to make the world safe for democracy and women's rights is flat out hypocrisy. While we'd love that in theory, we'll settle for a compliant, friendly, stable middle east that allows us free access to all the oil we need and doesn't harbor terrorists. (Or at least treats them like the Jordanian intelligence forces do.)

Osama's dreamland vs. Saudi Arabia
Anybody read the General's description of the ideal Osama-land? Executions in the soccer stadium, women with no rights, sharia law? Sounds horrible to Westerners, don't it? It also sounds a heckuva lot like our good buddies, Saudi Arabia.

I don't doubt that the General was sincere, but we, as a people, and the current administration, need to come clean. Realpolitik is messy, and for us to claim we're riding in on a white horse to make the world safe for democracy and women's rights is flat out hypocrisy. While we'd love that in theory, we'll settle for a compliant, friendly, stable middle east that allows us free access to all the oil we need and doesn't harbor terrorists. (Or at least treats them like the Jordanian intelligence forces do.)

Sorry about that
Didn't mean to post three times. It's my maiden voyage.

response to primus54
Actually, I didn't read this article until you pointed it out because these generals speak like CEOs and politicians––a lot of talk about it's dangerous and we have to be vigilant, and so on. But there isn't much there to react to. You might be surprised to learn that most poeple on the left agree that there is somekind of a threat coming from the Islamic world. But we need to handle the threat intelligently. Unfortunately, our country is being run by a bunch of morons.

We need to secure the ports, and the nuclear power plants, and the chemical plants. And we probably need to invest much more heavily in human intelligence on the ground.

But invading and occupying countries isn't going to help. Indeed, it's probably making the situation worse.

Phylo out.

For Phylo, Lydia, et. al.
Just one quote...

Good people sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

I do not know the source of this quote, but it surely stands for all the good men and women in our foreign theatres of war. All Americans, liberal, conservative, and everyone in between, sleep peacefully because of these soldiers fighting the terrorists over there... and thankfully, some here at home too.

SW Michigan SassafrasTea~~

interviewing the Right People/ Getting
This interview was Great! The liberal media wouldn't think of interviewing like this because it would prove wrong everything they are trying to get the American Public to believe. No one can ever convince me they dont have bias or agenda behind what they do.

Interview with General Abizaid
The interview with General Abizaid was informative and overdue. Hugh continues to do what he does very well - to bring us what is needed in order to keep our heads above the noise.

Lefty snipers keep aiming verbal rounds at Hugh, but they might as well be using marshmallows, for all the effect they have on either his views or the views of his listeners/readers.

Nor do the "nuke 'em all" maniacs get any traction - except to entertain themselves.

I think the regular guests on Hugh's show are among the best anywhere on radio. The quality of his other interviewees is superb, bringing about, through his interviews, understanding where there was formerly chaos or misdirection.
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