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Thursday, April 12, 2007
Herman Cain :: Townhall.com Columnist
How High Can You Stand for Your Taxes to Go?
by Herman Cain
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If you’re getting a tax refund this year, you’re probably excited. How will you use the money? Save it for a rainy-day pizza party? Upgrade your basic cable TV? If you didn’t get a refund, you’ll especially want to read on.

Funny how big government has mesmerized us into believing it’s a treat to keep some of our own wages. It’s an illusion they have to protect so they can squeeze out more each year.

And if we don’t put major pressure on our lawmakers, they’re going to squeeze us for all we’re worth – and then some.

The president’s tax cuts, which have been shouted down by journalists and politicians who don’t understand economics, are going to expire before we know it. Congress doesn’t have to do one thing. They can keep campaigning and fighting for their pork-filled bills right through 2010, when without any ado, a gigantic tax hike will hit the nation.

Of course, that’s not exactly the point they’re campaigning on.

Democrats wouldn’t even go on national television and admit what they’re planning. CNBC’s Melissa Francis was wise to them – she told viewers of the March 15 “On the Money” that “if the Democrats get their way, America’s taxes will jump more than $2.1 trillion over the next 10 years.”

Francis showed an understanding remarkably rare among journalists: that tax increases will stifle America’s great economy and hurt all classes, including lower-income families.

Unfortunately, she couldn’t find a single congressional Democrat or garden variety liberal to defend this massive tax hike. The Business & Media Institute noticed the host’s multiple disclaimers to viewers, telling them CNBC tried “all day” to find someone for that night’s show. They even went to left-leaning think tanks, but no one stepped forward.

The reason is simple. Democrats are hoping no one was watching that night’s show. They’re hoping you’re not reading this column. Because if Americans understood what they want to do, their precious hold on Congress would be threatened.

Instead, they insist – with the help of scores of journalists – that there is a “war on the middle class.” Everyone thinks he or she is in the middle class, so when Congress offers to protect that group, it sounds comforting.

Liberals and journalists are fond of telling us that raising taxes is the only way out of scary budget deficits that will be handed down to our children and grandchildren. But Americans don’t buy that argument.

In a February 2007 PSRA/Pew Research Center poll, people were asked what they thought was the best way to reduce the federal budget deficit. Only 9 percent said tax increases were the best way. A combined 69 percent said they’d rather see government reduce spending. They probably noticed the amazing economic growth this country has seen since the tax cuts went into effect.

In fact, the American Enterprise Institute’s timely compilation of public opinion on taxes reveals that Americans support tax reform – if only legislators would be honest about their tax reform plans.

A 2005 Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll asked people what they thought “tax reform” meant. Some actually said they thought it meant raising taxes! To some, it sounded like “helping the rich.” The largest group was the 31 percent who said they weren’t sure.

Americans may not know what all those politicians are talking about – who does? – but they know the tax code is crazy and that they should get to keep more of their own money. A majority are familiar with at least one “reform” proposition. More than half the respondents in a March 2007 Harris/Tax Foundation poll said they’d prefer a flat-rate tax or a national sales tax (like the FairTax) over the current graduated income tax system.

I agree with those people who think all the doubletalk about “reform” is too confusing. Besides, whenever the Democrats talk about taxes, they are talking about raising them. Americans don’t want higher taxes. What we need is a simple system where everyone can plainly see – and choose for themselves – how much tax they are paying. The only plan that even comes close to achieving that is the FairTax (http://www.fairtax.org).

Well, I don’t think we should talk about tax reform any more. No more tax reform; it’s time for replacement. We need a new system, and that’s the legislation we need to push our representatives to support.

Whether you got a refund this year or you’re still paying Uncle Sam, you can’t afford to be on the sidelines of this fight.

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Herman Cain is the National Chairman of the Media Research Center’s Business & Media Institute. He is the former president and CEO of Godfather’s Pizza, Inc., and currently is CEO and president of T.H.E. New Voice, Inc., a business and leadership consulting company.

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Herman

Good plug for the Fair Tax Act !

It is a tax system that would work well, and fairly at that.

Liberals, please note, all tax on food and basic necessities of life are refunded under this plan. The poor don't get taxed, in fact, no one gets taxed on survival items.


Pappy
Yes, it makes a lot of sense. And that is why it probably won't happen.

Excellent
Exactly. Spot on. But Congress (and its not only the Democrats) are, in most cases, a bunch of corrupt, spending-addicted whores who worship at the altar of big government.

Why ask the people?
"More than half the respondents in a March 2007 Harris/Tax Foundation poll said they’d prefer a flat-rate tax or a national sales tax (like the FairTax) over the current graduated income tax system."

Voters don't count: we need to get more than half the lobbyists behind the Fair Tax. A good start would be deporting all tax attorneys...

Yeah Right! Fair Tax.
Why would the losers in congress vote for a fair tax?

They don't want it fair.

They want us to believe that the rich pay nothing and the poor are getting soaked. That is the only way the left can get the votes that they do.

The stupid Republicans are just as guilty with there outrageous spending in the last several years.

Tamalak
Yeah man. I agree completly. Now we can pay higher taxes And spend even more than we bring in because "everyone" knows that higher taxes are good for the economy.
I don't need all that stupid money anyway. What would I do with it other than pay off my house and send my kids to college.
But I do agree that the repubs didn't do what we sent them to do. Maybe we can get some real conservatives next time.


"Imus"
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To: Nam65-66 From: Nam70-71
Huh???

Mike B...
...Today is Imus Day on Townhall.I think it would be appropriate if all columns and threads mentioned "Imus".I mean,can there be any other important topic?

Nam65-66 (Delta)
Nam69-70 (I Corps)

Taxes are too high
My wife and I both work fulltime, but don't make big bucks. However we live very modestly- her car 10 yrs old, mine 12 both paid for. 2 homes with combined value under 100 K. No dependents save 2 cats. We can barely make ends meet. Why? Too many taxes. Uncle Sam, Aunt Jennifer & friends confiscate about 1/4th of our paychecks, leaving us to say "Sh*t, how can we pay the bills with this?" US tax revenues are about $2 trillion(with a T) bucks and State of Mich takes about $40 billion. Im sorry, but any of these parasites who can't run their respective govt with what they have, they should be removed from office, drawn and quartered. If you think that's too gentle, do some research and find out how that punishment was administered in the Dark Ages.

Fair Tax
It doesn't matter what system of taxing we have the socialists will find some way of subverting it to their purposes. The key to the issue is to restrict the right to vote to those who actaully pay taxes. When that happens a lot of these politicians who advocate tax and spend policies (aka Democraps and RINOs) will lose their positions in congress. In fact, I would wager that within 10 years the Democrat party would no longer exist.

It's coming

The seeds of the Second American Revolution were sown with the enactment of the income tax. Our elected officials, from BOTH parties, have become so corrupted by special interests they will never relinquish their power willingly. And because of their entitlement programs and poor public schools, Americans are now too dependant on government to vote them out. Those of us who understand the problem are too busy arguing about non-issues such as "the war on terror", abortion and gay marriage to see the reality staring us in the face. Unfortunately it will take the collapse of our economy, and the ensuing chaos to follow, for good people to rise up and say ENOUGH! I hope that day never happens, but it was preordained by the corrupting influence of the income tax.

To prove my point Mitt Romney recently spoke out against the Fair Tax, as has every other republicrat presidential hopeful. Why else would they not support this brilliant plan if not because of corruption? Why do they want to srip us of our second amendment rights? I keep saying it but no one is listening, Ron Paul and the Libertarians are our only hope to save this country. They are motivated by the Constitution, not special interests.

The Fair Tax is the way to go!
What some politicians don't understand about the "fair tax" is if implemented the way it is written now (in HR25) with no changes it would make the US the largest tax haven in the world;

1. Companies that are now based overseas will consider moving their operations to the US.

2. The companies that move to the US will bring money (capitol) to the US to buy build or lease; headquarters, local & regional offices, and factories.

3. The companies that move to the US would bring or create more jobs.

4. Those jobs would produce put more money into circulation, money to be spent buying products and paying retail sales taxes.

It would become an avalanche of prosperity. That prosperity would increase the potential tax revenue the government would have to spend without hurting any class of income earner. The increased revenue would pay down the debt and help cover the additional costs of existing programs such as Social Security.

The best part is that with out the taxes taken out even the lower income class would be able to better afford such necessities as private health care, but than that would free us from the dependency on the government, which the government can have....it is co-dependant on us and can't see itself without the dependence of the population on it. That is why the "Fair Tax" will not happen with out a huge fight.

Tamalack
You're kidding right? The dem's are inacting a plan to help the budget? The first thing they did was spent more money on pork barrel projects. I will give you that republicans spent like drunken soldiers but how, exactly, is spending even more money going to help the budget?

RE: Tamalak
"Just paying the INTEREST on the debt is already the second-biggest part of our budget"

This statement is 100% untrue. Here are the outlays that are larger than net interest on debt:

FY2007 estimate
Social Security: $556 billion
National defense: $447 billion
Medicare: $376 billion
Income security (UE bens.): $357 billion
HHS: $285 billion

And coming in a distant seventh:
Net interest: $246 billion

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy05/sheets/hist03z1.xls

Christopher Parisho
Your post sounds like you know what you're talking about. I don't know the difference between the Fair Tax and the Flat Tax, and I'm not sure I need to at this point. Anything would be an improvement over what we have now. And, frankly, the Democrats scare the heck out of me when it comes to taxes. There's never enough and there will never be enough. The Republicans surely let us down and have created a mess I never thought I would see. There must be a way to let all the candidates know a REAL change is needed. NOW!! You write it, I'll sign it.

Power
It always comes back to one thing, friends: Power. They want the power to tell us to save for retirement, buy rather than rent, get a Prius, get married, have kids, etc. By playing around with the tax code, they can set taxes very high, then send us running in circles to try to reduce our tax burdens to something reasonable. In doing so, they effect social engineering. This control is why both sides of the aisle so greatly fear the Fair Tax or any flat tax. It appears that the Dems are power-hungry enough to wreck the economy in order to "soak the rich" and pander to their entitlement class base. It is truly inconceivable that they refuse to look at the FACTS of how beneficial the tax cuts have been. I am John Doe. And, oh yeah, IMUS!

Fine, but cut spending also . . .
The thought of raising taxes is nauseating. But this has to be said -- so long as Republican politicians keep pilfering the treasury -- yes, they are ALMOST every bit as bad as the Democrats, and Bush is among the worst of them --we will never get fiscal sanity.

Another hidden tax that is about to bite us in the rear is inflation. If our fellow countrymen cannot understand the impact of taxation on our economy, how are these public school educated folks supposed to pick up on inflation's evils?

Mr. Cain is spot on -- at least he is trying to do something about the situation. Let's all wish him luck.

budget reality
Regarding the 2007 budget, Interest on the debt is in the Treasury department and is $440 billion for 2007 and $470 billion for 2008's budget.

From the Treasury dept site, we have this for the last ten year's interest expense.
2006 $405,872,109,315.83
2005 $352,350,252,507.90
2004 $321,566,323,971.29
2003 $318,148,529,151.51
2002 $332,536,958,599.42
2001 $359,507,635,242.41
2000 $361,997,734,302.36
1999 $353,511,471,722.87
1998 $363,823,722,920.26
1997 $355,795,834,214.66
1996 $343,955,076,695.15

For the first six months of the 2007 budget it is
March $ 21,253,370,063.26
February $ 24,170,447,266.47
January $ 18,132,425,570.82
December 95,908,834,357.10
November 20,305,104,412.28
October 22,293,168,366.68
Fiscal Year Total $202,063,350,036.61
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm
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Notice that the expense isn't consistent due to the payment depending on when bonds and other debt instruments come due. Thus, the six months total may not be a true reflection of the total year.

Here is the budget from 2008 for just six departments
Department of Defense--Military $ 624,638,000,000
Department of Health and Human Services $ 699,023,000,000
Social Security Administration $ 655,564,000,000
Department of the Treasury $ 525,888,000,000
Interest on the Public Debt $ 469,919,000,000
Department of Homeland Security $ 34,592,000,000
Department of Education $ 62,587,000,000
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That is about 2.6 trillion of the 2.9 trillion budget.

Now, where do you cut spending? You can't cut it in social security, it is going to skyrocket with the boomer's retirement.

You can't cut it in health and human services since Medicare and Medicaid is "popular"
Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services $ 870,693,000,000

Note: for those who notice that this budget item is higher than the budget for health and human services, remember that taxes for the department come off the total. (Department of Health and Human Services $ -269,677,000,000)

You can't cut interest on debt, Defense you can cut but, by how much? You will never cut it enough to make up for rising costs of social security and Health and Human Services after the retirement boom gets underway because there are mandatory increases tied to COLA.

I would suggest doing away with the department of education but doubt Congress will support that. I would also do away with some of Homeland Defense and leave more up to the states with federal support and oversight and standards, but that isn't that much different in what it costs taxpayers. One is more federal costs and the other more state costs.

Even with pork, the majority of spending is small compared to the four major budget items you see. Just the four departments demanding the most is 2.5 trillion.

In other words, we can't fund what we want without borrowing. If we raise taxes we crash the economy and lose tax revenues. If we lower taxes the wrong way, we lose even more revenue.

The nations that are lowering debt are doing it by taxing individual income at fair rates, even progressive rates in some cases (flat in other) and lowering taxes on business profits. Capital gains taxes and taxes on dividends is treated differently in some nations but the key is to encourage manufacturing (we are losing it) and and tax individuals since they pay all business tax anyway as it is passed on it prices. Tax on business only make sense when those businesses export a lot and foreigners are paying the tax hidden in price. But, if that tax is too high, those foreigners buy the same goods from lower tax nations.

With our falling dollar, now down 63% to the euro since oil first started being sold in euros in 2000 by Saddam, "stealth inflation," real inflation, rising debt of individuals and government, continued loss of manufacturing jobs each month, increased government hiring (one of the largest job growth sectors each month), rising entitlement spending that will be out of control due to the "boomers," we face a very bad crisis as Chairman Bernanke keeps warning Congress about.

Many say we face a decade or longer recession like Japan has had or even a worse one. Our currency may very well collapse as Rep. Ron Paul says is possible.

Today, I was listening to the financial radio station I listen to. Several of the hosts were telling listeners to get out of the dollar. Buy Canadian oil trusts, foreign bonds, foreign equity funds, foreign currencies, but get out of the dollar. This could lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy. If all the advisor's clients start following their advice they will drop the dollar even faster than it already is dropping. That means higher prices on virtually everything we buy including many U.S. products which use imported parts.

Protectionism will make things worse because already there is talk of not lending the U.S. as much money if they go through with these kinds of protectionist measures. We depend on foreign nations to lend us enough to spend on entitlements, defense, education, etc. We can be easily blackmailed by any nations that are lending us the huge sums of money we need. Who are the top four?

Japan, China, U.K. and OPEC. That isn't very comforting to know that China and OPEC are your banker and that you depend on them for your loans. And, due to oil and trade deficits, if they move out of the dollar, we are in deep doo-doo. Iran, Venezuela and I believe Malaysia are already moving out of the dollar. China is cutting back as are other nations and that is causing some of the drop in the dollar.

We can't stop what is coming. No reform is pending nor probably would it be enough to stop what is going to happen. We can, however, as individuals, prepare for that long and deep recession where we may also have "hyper inflation."

Learn all you can about saving, investing, new skills that will still be in demand in a recession. Remember that even when there is 15% unemployment, 85% are working. They may be at lower wage jobs, but they are working. Many high skill jobs like those in healthcare will still be in demand. Have the skills needed and you will be among the 85% working. Have the investment skills and you can become a millionaire while others are filing for bankruptcy. Many people became very rich during the "Great Depression" by preparing for it and knowing how and where to invest their savings.

Today, the dollar lost more ground to the Euro (over $1.35) Gold went up another $10 which is another "inflation" sign.


Interest on debt
In the above list, the indent for interest didn't work and that line for interest on debt is a subsection of the Treasury department total.


Lamenting the Federal tax burden
From one old man to another

I appreciate your use of real numbers; there is power to be found in mining the treasure trove of empirical data that evolved over the last three quarters of a century.

I have a preface for the NIPA’s; the National Income and Product Accounts and I share the same birth year – 1929.

In reading the general comments of posters on Town Hall, I think we protesteth too much. At the time of Pearl Harbor, the Federal tax burden was equal to 10.1% of GDP. I was to learn that later, as did others, as the NIPA’s were still undergoing birthing pangs; it was not until after WW II that the NIPA’s emerged as a useful data source.

But most people of that era realized that an essential national defense would mean higher taxes. And so they thought for decades.

http://webpages.charter.net/prologue/images/Chart_1(TG).gif

But, were we wrong to think that way? In both 2003 and 2004, the effective average tax rate was lower than it was at the time of Pearl Harbor.

In reading some of the responses to Herman Cain, I think some people place a lot more credence in the benefits of such a low tax rate than is deserved. The slight-of-hand that make it appear that enhanced prosperity is the result of very low taxes is just that – slight-of-hand. In reality, prosperity has not been enhanced at all; there are other factors, quite unrelated, that can explain the appearance of greater prosperity. (Among these other causes are quite a lot of rubber checks.)

We can tell a lot by the company we keep. The following table tells us a lot about our political choices.

http://webpages.charter.net/prologue/images/Table_One.gif

TGoodwin

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How is it possible that modern day liberals cannot comprehend that tax cuts work? More revenues are coming in becauase of tax cuts, not less. They of course ignore that fact and insist on raising taxes.

I used to think the notion that modern day liberals truly want a socialistic, highly controlled society --was over the top. Every day, every year that goes by, I can see the truth in that. They want complete control over yours and my life, at whatever cost.

This must be stopped.

Wonder of wonders
C5c5 asks: “How is it possible that modern day liberals cannot comprehend that tax cuts work?”

It is a wonder!!

I will try to explain it, but, first, I would like you to explain the different results of the Clinton and Bush II years. Clinton, a liberal, began his tenure by raising taxes; he then achieved an eight-year annual average real growth rate of 4.2%. Bush II, a conservative, cut taxes in his first year; he then achieved a 2.8% average annual growth rate over six years.

But Who is Jason Altmire
We conservatives have a lot to complain about. But beyond that, what are we going to DO about the situation? An easy: vote the bad guys (and gals) out, and vote the good ones in. I’m doing a series of articles about one of the bad guys, supposedly “new” Democrat Jason Altmire of Pennsylvania’s 4th District. Here’s the beginning of today’s column (one of several on him). I’d love to have you read it – click on the name above – and tell me what you think.


"In medical school . . . about a decade ago, late for a class, I cut through a hospital emergency room and came upon dozens of people on stretchers -- waiting, moaning, begging for treatment. Some elderly patients had waited for up to five days in corridors before being admitted to beds. They smelled of urine and sweat. As I navigated past the bodies, I began to question everything I thought I knew about health care -- not only in Canada, but also in the United States.... I had begun a journey into the heart of one of the great policy disasters of modern times." (Dr. David Gratzer, The Cure: How Capitalism Can Save American Heath Care)

Is this the kind of health care Pennsylvania 4th District Congressman Jason Altmire has in mind for the U.S.? Of course, the good news about the sweat- and urine-soaked patients Gratzer describes is that they all have Canada's universal health coverage. The bad news is that they're in hallways for days, waiting for someone -- anyone -- to take care of them.

Altmire admits he wants the government, mainly through Medicare, to play a much bigger role in the American health care system. He wants to reduce the role of private health insurance companies, including those providing prescription drug coverage for seniors. He wants many more Americans -- people below the age of 65 -- Medicare, whose costs are universally recognized to be out-of-control.

At the same time, Altmire says he wants "evolution, rather than revolution" in health care. He doesn't want, right now, a single-payer system like the one in Canada. However, does he really reject what's known as "Hillarycare?" One wonders, especially when remembering that, a decade-and-a-half ago, Altmire was one of the people who constructed Mrs. Clinton's plan for a government takeover of American health care.

Has he apostacized from his one-time faith in Hillarycare? One wonders, because Altmire has a consistency problem in his approach to issues. Consider his views on the Iraq War timetable . . .

(more to come)

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