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Saturday, August 25, 2007
Herb London :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Entangling Relationship With China
by Herb London
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While trade sanctions against China are being discussed on Capital Hill, the Chinese government has begun a concerted campaign of economic threats against the United States in a game called “Who will blink first?”

Several leading Chinese Communist officials have warned that Beijing may use its $1.33 trillion foreign reserves as a political weapon to counter Congressional plans for trade sanctions. Some have called this China’s “nuclear option” since dumping U.S. bonds could trigger a dollar crash at a moment when the currency is already breaking down through historic support levels.

Such a move could cause a spike in U.S. bond yields, hammer the already vulnerable housing market and perhaps tip the economy into recession. Therefore these threats cannot be taken lightly.

It is estimated that China holds over $900 billion in a mix of U.S. bonds, clearly the bulk of its foreign reserves. Xia Bin, chief at the Development Research Center, indicated that Beijing’s foreign reserves should be used to influence U.S. trade policy in what is an unambiguous threat. “Of course,” he added “China doesn’t want any undesirable phenomenon in the global financial order.”

He Fan, an official at the Chinese Academy of Social Science, said China has the power to set off a “dollar collapse if it chooses to do so.” He noted, “China has accumulated a large sum of U.S. dollars. Such a big sum, of which a considerable portion… contributes… to maintaining the position of the dollar as a reserve currency.”

Clearly China is unlikely to follow this scenario as long as the yuan’s exchange rate is stable against the dollar. Moreover, the U.S. has some leverage in this arrangement since a recession would diminish U.S. buying and importing power thereby adversely affecting Chinese markets.

But there is little doubt the Chinese intend to play the blackmail card and contend the U.S. is hostage to economic decisions made in Beijing. Having control of over 44 percent of the U.S. national debt undoubtedly leaves America acutely vulnerable.

The timing of these threats is particularly troubling. They come at a time when credit markets are already fearful of contagion from subprime mortgage troubles. That may explain why Secretary of Treasury Henry Paulson said any trade sanctions would undermine America’s authority to promote free trade and open markets.

While some compromise with China is likely to be worked out, as it has been in the recent past, the backdrop for decision making is colored by the large sum of U.S. dollars sitting in Chinese hands. The Chinese government has allowed the yuan to appreciate 9 percent against the dollar over the last two years under a crawling peg, but it has not diminished the current account imbalance and the growing Chinese trade surplus.

From a strategic perspective the Chinese have a nuclear arsenal to thwart American interests in Asia and now have a financial nuclear option to influence U.S. political judgments as well.

Where this will lead is hard to say. But on the central issue no guess is needed: American options are circumscribed by the real threats China may impose.

China is not an enemy of the U.S., but neither is it a friend. Recognizing the potential collision of interests in the Taiwan Straits and elsewhere, it is best to keep in mind the dangers that could result from an entangling relationship. Unfortunately this has already occurred and it is not possible to see how the U.S. easily extricates itself from the entanglement.

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Herbert London is president of Hudson Institute and professor emeritus of New York University. He is the author of Decade of Denial (Lanham, Maryland: Lexington Books, 2001).

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As I See It: Lawyers, Lies, and Statisti
What should America do about this issue?

ITJUNGLE-Here’s a statistic guaranteed to curdle the cream in an IT professional’s coffee. The huge populations of China and India have produced a correspondingly huge crop of offsprings–628 million kids under the age of 15, give or take a village. That’s a lot of young people who will soon (if they haven’t already) enter the global labor market. Americans, on the other hand, have sired some 60 million moppets, who blissfully haunt the nation’s malls, unaware of the approaching competitive tidal wave about to engulf them.

It’s no coincidence that as the job market turns predatory, American workers have lost their teeth. The numbers tell the tale, and the story told by the Bureau of Labor Statistics is one of betrayal. Between 2000 and 2005, IT employment opportunities in the United States grew by about 332,000 jobs. If those opportunities escaped your notice, there’s a good reason. During the same time period, the United States imported about 330,000 H1-B workers to fill many of those jobs. Engineers fared even worse. While 95,000 H1-B visas were issued for engineers, the Department of Labor reports that engineering employment shrank by almost 124,000 jobs.

How did this happen? In theory, qualified American applicants must be considered first, and H1-B workers can only be hired if qualified Americans are unavailable. Holy ethical dilemma, Batman! What’s a corporation to do? The trick for those hiring managers willing to circumvent the law is to find ways to “disqualify” qualified Americans. If that seems daunting, don’t worry; there are law firms eager to teach corporate clients how to shaft their countrymen.

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China toy factory conditions ‘brutal’

How do we compete with slave labor?

(Reuters) — A U.S.-based workers’ rights group said it found “brutal conditions” and labor violations at eight Chinese plants that make toys for big multinationals, and called on the companies to take steps for better standards.

China Labor Watch said in a report issued on Tuesday after several months of investigation that the manufacturers — which served a handful of global players, including Walt Disney, Bandai and Hasbro — paid “little heed to the most basic standards of the country.”

“Wages are low, benefits are nonexistent, work environments are dangerous and living conditions are humiliating,” it said.

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China Is An Enemy

China is an enemy and those who have sold us out to China for more dollars in their pocket are traitors. Free trade radicals have put us all in danger with a country that has one goal in mind and that goal is world domination. These free trade radicals are traitors who could care less about the United States of American or her people.

Everything is wrong about our relationship with China. China has our money and jobs and for what? Cheap goods at WalMart? Our country is being flooded with illegals who cut our wages. Good paying jobs have gone to China leaving Americans poorer. The really sad part is the Democrats will win because people realize that Bush and Republicans could care less what happens to the USA, her people and her culture.

Bush lost Southeast Asia to China
While Bush has wasted his time and American lives in Iraq, the Chicoms have been very productive.

China was ASEANs (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) #6 trading partner in 2003, just 4 short years ago when the US was ASEANs #1 trading partner.

Now China is not only ASEANs #1 trading partner, but has negotiated a free trade pact that is currently being implemented and will completely hook up China with Southeast Asia's 600 million industrious population just three years from now.

Historians will look at the foolishness not only of Bush, but the foolishness of the American people, in having allowed this to happen without so much as a whimper.

The war in Iraq will someday be little more than a footnote in the history books, while the abandonment of Southeast Asia by the US and the consequent accession of ASEAN to China will be regarded as the major event of this era. Maybe not in the US, but in the combined 2,000 mil pop of China-ASEAN, it will. And to future historians, that 2,000 mil population will count for a lot more than America's 300 mil.

The More Things Change.......
While NOT making light of the dangers associated with China's rising economic might, wasn't it just a few short years ago when the 'looming juggernaut' was referred to as 'Japan, INC'?

Making up facts as we go along
Sir, I doubt you can confirm your claim of Chinas population has a higher average IQ than Americans, but dont let facts get in the way of a good story.

IT redux
I do know that I would rather hire the smart, hard working, focused, respectful Asian (legal) immigrants for my company than the bunch of lazy, unfocused, greedy, disrespectful US born and raised people that come to my door. The US raised folks seem to think they are entitled to raises, bonuses, and perks before they will work to demonstrate what they can do. The Asian's work for those things and seem to be genuinly appreciative of those rewards when earned. They also seem respectful of those who achieve rather than express envy or dissatisfaction in their treatment.

We have had it too good too long in the US and our expectations for future success is completely out of line with the realities of work and life. We now measure our success by how much stuff we have o we borrow money to buy what we want and then figure out how to pay for it, or not, rather than save and then reward ourselves by purchasing what we can afford. This attitude spills into our work life and are relationships with others.

We will buy our stuff from anyone and we really do not care about quality since we can just throw it away and buy more.

Many companies in the US have reverted to rewarding the process followers rather than innovation, challenge, and production. This is consistent with a service based economy but at the same time, nothing much gets invented or produced. It creates a level playing field rather than a challenging one. Consistency, conformance, and equality over innovation, change, and competition.

This is not a "left" vs. "right" issue by the way. In a time of crisis we are not told to work, think, or react except to "go shopping".

I do not see much hope of the US maintaining its competitive advantage, we just do not want to work that hard. As I have said before, we are on the road to becoming a provincial backwater.

The comeuppance for our wasteful, lazy ways, will be painful indeed.

IQ difference insignificant
Warren Small (whom I will address further next) posited that China has a higher national IQ than the US. According to the table he just posted, China's national IQ is TWO POINTS higher than the US; 100 vs. 98. I've not done the math, but who wants to bet on whether this is a statistically significant difference or not?

(By the way, Small's site will have Jesse Jackson pouring gasoline on it if he ever decides it's worth any money to him -- check out what it says about IQ and race!)

Why doesn't it surprise me?
So, the first several comments on this troubling article come from Bush-haters who seem intent on blaming the looming difficulties from China on the Bush admin. Since these difficulties have been looming since the 1930s, it's a bit tough to find that claim convincing.

Warren Small's post (5:39 AM) seems to have two points: 1) China really can be a problem, and 2) Republicans don't know about it.

I'm having some difficulty taking this seriously, not the least reason being Small's offhand assessment that out troubles with Islam are "self-inflicted." I suppose he can say this because if we didn't have an economy that drank oil, the Middle East would be a footnote in an 8th grade geography text, but let's not be completely blind: Islam has been provoking its otherwise barely provoked followers to conquest since Muhammed left his child bride in the tent, circa 700 AD. The current Islamo-foibles are a surprise only to those who don't read history.

Warren's notions don't get any better when we examine the other hands, either. It wasn't just paleoconservatives who screamed bloody murder when Comrade Carter handed the Panama Canal over to China in the 1970s, and it wasn't just the paleos who objected when Comrade Clinton put us in China's nuclear bomb sites for a few measly million in illegal campaign dollars about 10 years ago.

The point is, we all know China is a threat. This is nothing new or surprising. We've been watching these folks for decades. You needed to have them threaten us a little to figure it out, Warren? Why weren't you convinced when they casually murdered 70 million human beings?

That vicious partisan hacks will use any available rock to bash the Bush administration is also nothing new or surprising.

Ah, IQ projections...
Warren Small addressed my comment about statistical significance of the IQ difference between China and the US before I posted it, I see. So, my observations:

1) I seriously doubt that Warren's race-centric IQ scores are set in stone. Open the market with vouchers, for instance, and I'll bet those scores soar for all races. IQ is not an innate characteristic, it's an artificial measure of a mixture of innate and learned characteristics.

2) If race really is a measure of intelligence, Warren need not worry; the intelligent ones rise to the top.

3) Lotta guesses about the future based on nothing but conjecture, particularly regarding China's future. I'm not buying.

I suspect that the correlation between cultural IQ and national GDP is causal in the direction opposite what Warren thinks; low GDP causes low IQs, not the other way round. But the research hasn't been done, and likely won't be.

China Entanglement
This is a no brainer. China wants Taiwan without a confrontation with the U.S. Sell Taiwan several nuclear weapons and sell Taiwan to Chinna for the price of our deficit. ( All of this under the table, of course)

China Threat
The problem with China goes much deeper than China's ownership of our debt. It strikes at the very core of the free enterprise system in the West.

Many U.S. corporations, in order to gain access to China's markets today, have yielded to China's demands for proprietary information. China then takes that information and builds a factory or whatever, thus lessening its dependence on the U.S. manufacturer in the future. Short-term gains at the expense of long-term losses. Greed is alive and well in our corporate board rooms today.

It also is alive and well in Washington. Our Commerce Department, under the watchful (?) eyes of the White House, sometimes acts as an agent of the Chinese government on technology transfer issues. And does anyone need to be reminded of the Clinton/Gore money-for-favored-treatment deals? (Al Gore's Buddhist monks were a barrel of laughs.) If Hillary makes it into the White House, expect more sell-outs.

Another problem: Europe and China are fostering a strategic alliance against the U.S. The only major power we've been able to work with against China is Japan, and Japan may be softening on China because it is in China's missile sights.

The problem is HUGE, and there is no good solution. China is growing in military might and expanding its sphere of influence, and with its huge population, it is likely to become the greatest superpower in not many years.The only limiting factors may be food supply, pollution and, believe it or not, college students.

To make matters worse,our mainstream media, including talk radio, are not reporting on these problems. They're far too busy with stories about Princess Di, Queen Hillary and whose wife said what about a candidate.

Shame on the media, and thank goodness for the Internet and blogs.

Is there a solution to the China problem? Maybe, but we need to devote more thought to it. And that's for sure.


IQ scores
There have been several posts here about average national IQs. Actually, average national IQs make little difference. If you have an Einstein doing work that any trained monkey can do, then what is the national benefit? Consequently, average national IQ superiority does not necessarily translate to national superiority in either military or economic terms.

Where IQs have some significance is in the national leadership. When I contrast the intellectual dynamics of Hu Jintao with George Bush, it's clear that it's advantage: China.

agrreno
agreenwo writes: Saturday, August, 25, 2007 7:28 AM
China Is An Enemy

China is an enemy and those who have sold us out to China for more dollars in their pocket are traitors. Free trade radicals have put us all in danger with a country that has one goal in mind and that goal is world domination. These free trade radicals are traitors who could care less about the United States of American or her people.

Everything is wrong about our relationship with China. China has our money and jobs and for what? Cheap goods at WalMart? Our country is being flooded with illegals who cut our wages. Good paying jobs have gone to China leaving Americans poorer. The really sad part is the Democrats will win because people realize that Bush and Republicans could care less what happens to the USA, her people and her culture.
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It's the Dems turn to take the White House but nothing will change when they do.

You need a reality check
Thanks to this nation's economic vigor, we are part of a global economy. Very little is manufactured anywhere that doesn't rely on some overseas resource. Neither the US nor China can afford to declare the other an enemy like so many who haven't mentally moved into the 21st century.

What ought to alarm people isn't China, but the mindset stretching the breadth of the Muslim crescent that cannot tolerate the influence of globalization.

The nuke threat of mutual destruction?
Just My Opine but I think we have a similar economic standoff.

The economy of several other Nations depends heavily upon sales to America.
China is one of those nations.
China also depends upon trade with these other nations.

An American economic collapse probably would cause a domino like collapse of several other nations.

In any worldwide depression, the nation with the densest population will suffer the most simply due to greater demand.
Hello China?
Remember the last Great Depression and the widespread starvation?
Mutual economic destruction anyone?

Yes, it is a "global economy."
Just as the 31 year-old movie "Network" said it is.

But when this country had huge trade surpluses and no debt it was much stronger than it is now.
As wise men have said: 'We can't keep running these deficits forever'.

What should we do---just print our way out of this quicksand?**

We thought we were gonna steal some Iraqi oil.
We didn't learn that when Saddam failed in his bid to suck up Kuwait's black drink, we had a perfect example of what not to do.



**BAWHAAHA.

hmm
Warren Small wrote:
"There's a tendency in Washington to think that China's vast dollar bond holdings are as much its problem as ours-- as if, when you owe a banker $100,000 rather than $100, he should worry more than you."

Um, kind of. Don't you think they might want to get repaid?

Let me rephrase: Would you rather have someone default on a $100 loan owed to you, or a $100,000 loan?

You also said:

"But with a far faster growing and far smaller real economy, China has less to lose by destablizing our wobbly currency than we have, and there might just be enough ideologues or crazies in Beijing to be tempted"

About 10% of China's entire GDP consists of exports to the US.
About 1.5% of the US GDP consists of imports from China.

Which would be more able to absorb the loss of the other?



Cool Hand Luke, I'm pretty sure George Washington didn't have to worry about this sort of thing, because they had a hard currency.

Let the dollar fall
It is the Chinese holding U.S. dollars in the form of U.S. Treasury Securities that causes the current account trade imbalance, and the associated competitive problems here in the U.S.

If, the Chinese sell U.S. Treasuries, and convert U.S. dollars into RMB, this is great news for everyone, except some billionaire currency traders (i.e., George Soros, et al.) and Washington politians who are paid "consulting fees" by the financial industry get hurt -- big effing deal.

In the meantime, the U.S. Dollar falls in value, now U.S. factories and farmers are more competitive in the world market. Lower imports and higher exports, real wages for working people in the U.S. increase.

In the past, the U.K. tried to defend the value of its currency. It never worked, and most economists agree that it hurt the British economy. While the U.S. cannot control what other nations do, the U.S. should not be a party to those nations' actions that are counter to the best interest of the U.S. economy. I for one can't wait for the RMB to rise.

After all, how many lead-paint-laden childrens toys do we really need?

I Do Not Understand
How we can continue to have a 3/4 trillion dollar trade deficit per year,(a significant portion to China) and be doing OK.

China Owns us/US
Yes, China owns us. It is not a benevolent ownership. The shackles are now invisible. Slowly, or quickly they will manifest themselves and as our slumber turns into a nightmare we will wake up, but the nightmare will still be there! We have become a nation of consumers, lusting for things we don't really need. We lust for novelty or for something we merely don't have. Where are our values? Are they things? Or are they our families and loved ones? China is feeding our lust for our "Must Haves" and it appears our consumerism is out of control. "Everyody else has it", be it a cell phone, a blender or or a 56" TV that your neighors can see from the privacy of their homes.

I recently went into a new "dollar Store". Everything was "made in China" save the M&M's.

This a lot of complaining, but we need solutions from a National or Global level to a personal level. When we really need something we should try to buy American-made or at least something not produced in China. We should search our souls and check our lifestyles, and again, our family values. We should repeat the old adage: "Where were you, where are you and where are you going". Our morals have done more to pollute our existence than any car that needs a new exhaust system.

Economics and China
China does not own us. The do own nice little pieces of paper with pictures of dead U.S. Presidents printed on them. We have traded real goods and services for paper IOUs. Those IOU's are either Federal Reserve Notes or U.S. Treasury Obiligations. The only place you can redeem those notes are here in the U.S. You can only redeem those items by buying goods or services in the U.S.

Unfortunately, this will not happen, because the Chinese government wants to keep their currency artficially low against the U.S. Dollar in order to keep their exports artificially high.

By keeping Chinese exports high, they increase the employment opportunities for their workers. Greater employment opportunities for workers translates into higher standard of living for their workers. Thus the Chinese government needs to continue to purchase U.S. dollars and sell RMBs to keep their currency artificially low. This is the only way to contiue to export more goods to the U.S.

The Chinese government could decide to hold another currency instead of U.S. Dollars, for example Euros, but the problem is who will make the purchase? It can be done, but it would be at a steep discount. Again this would be good for the common tax-paying worker in the U.S. on two fronts.

First selling U.S. Treasuries to buy another currency will result in a steep decline the price of U.S. Treasuries. U.S. Treasuries are an IOU. How would you feel if your bank told you only payoff half your mortgage and your house is yours? Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

Second, as China stops buying U.S. Dollars the the dollar falls in value making U.S. exports more competitive. More competitive exports, higher employment in the U.S. Higher employment in the U.S., higher real wages for U.S. citizens.

Continued
Who is hurt if the currency shifts like this? Well lets see, companies that outsourced U.S. jobs overseas rather than work to improve productivity here, Wall Street billionaire currecy traders, and politicians and government employees who make a living in the welfare industry. Higher employment opportunities, less need for welfare. A vast swath of government workers could be taken off the tax rolls and begin work in activities that add value to the economy rather than be a drag on the economy.

Problems and Solutions
It is ashame that US production is down so much and that we rely on China so heavily. Well we can thank the Democrats for that one. Yes that's right, their over regulation of US business and constant socialism pushed the market this way. Of course Bill Clinton did not help when he sold the Chinese our nuclear secrets either.

But remember that trade is a two-way street. If China tries to break us at the bank, she'll loose. Her economy may be strong but it is tied lock stock and barrel to the US economy. If we go down so do they. The imbalance doesn't matter.

And the US economy is the global platform to the world economy. We go down we are taking Europe, Australia, Canada, Mexico, Japan, and South Korea with us. And that China can not survive.

Our way out of this solution is two fold. First we stop this stupid over regulation killing US business at home. Then we start to trade more heavily with Japan, India, Australia, and New Zealand. That sets off the Chinese power lock, especially if we get closer to India.

Mr London's Economics Illiteracy ...
... and lack of discernable common sense is showing.

And, as others here have already outlined, shaky "china:" -- whose best is but a poor (reverse engineered) Xerox copy of a first world prosperity, almost 40% of whose much-vaunted "economy" is rooted in theft and couterfieting, whose lootocracy skims 50% of every earned Dollar and whose nouveau family members scratch and claw at and murder and rob one another with the kind of frenzy that by comparison makes the lying, looting, thieving, mass-murdering, co-serial-rapist 'Hot-Springs' Bubbah' Blythe-KKKli'toon crime family look like a page out of a Baden Powell paper or an Enid Blighton Famous Five frolic; -- is not about to cut off its greedy nose to spite its thieving face.

For, as goes the United States Dollar, the once Mighty but now Greenspan'd Greenback so goes "china."

(And so goes the soon-to-be-completed Singapore casinos, cynically constructed to catch as much of "china's" looted gains as can be cornered. Its Burma "banking" clients being hit by competition from Afghanistan's growers -- and the boom generated from the Billions looted from the West's tsunami charities being almost over!)

I agree
Mr. London's worry about the Chinese cashing out their U.S. Dollar reserves reminds me of the worried townfolks in the movie Blazing Saddles, when Bart, played by Cleavon Little, pulls a gun on himself and tells the townfolks to backoff or the n**** is going to get shot in the head. The townfolks are horrified and back-off. In this economic farce, the character formerly played by Cleavon Little is being played by He Fan, and the part of the townfolks is being played by Mr. London.

Boycott Chinese good
If we refuse to buy Chinese goods, including the sheets I just returned to Overstock.com, and refuse to allow "play days" with children whose mothers have toys made in China, etc., it will solve a multitude of problems.

China cannot then blame our government.
The biggest reason for the Trans-Texas Corridor will vanish.
We and our children and our pets will not be poisoned by lead, formaldehyde and food additives.

Now, if only TH.com had greater readership, or if people reading this would write to the editors of their local papers, we might stand a chance.

Relply to cool
The economic theories you referenced are not from coffee houses, but are derived from making a hypothesis, looking at data to either accept or reject the hypothesis, then having others repeat the test. It's not a matter of control of destiny. We are a free and independent country. Sure there are outside influences that affect us, but this is and always will be the case. Hurricannes affected people in New Orleans; nobody can control that. Bad weather in the midwest; crop production falls, and the price of food increases. In both cases, these events are outside of our control.

My point, is that the Chinese want to export goods to the U.S. to keep employment full. The way to do that is to price its goods below costs. Rather than giving everyone in China a wage cut, they do it by buying U.S. Dollars. This keeps the RMB artificially low compared to the U.S. Dollar. The Chinese want to hold U.S. Dollars for domestic purposes.

Rather than hold U.S. Dollars that pays no interest, the Chinese then buy U.S. Treasuries with those U.S. Dollars. Just like anyone, why not earn some interest on your savings? However, these obligations are paid out in U.S. Dollars. U.S. Dollars is just another obligation of the U.S. Again its the law of supply and demand.

There are economic problems that we should worry about, social security benefits, run-away medical costs, etc. A foreign entity owning U.S. Dollar Denominated Debt is not a problem for the U.S.

If you have a diffent theory, that fits reality better, then write it up. It will turn-over 200 years of economic study. You will be ~$1 million richer for the Nobel Prize you will receive.

China....
China is a highly oppressive, totalitarian, Communist dictatorship.

We here in the USA have let the "free-trade uber alles" crowd rule for too long. We have been neutered. Our young men play video games and sit on the internet all day and night.

Our engineering and manufacturing prowess is all but gone, as we've listened to the "cheap labor obsessed "conservatives" like Bush, Kudlow, etc.

The prudent course of action for the USA is to encourage the starting of businesses in this country by greatly reducing corporate taxes and by pushing innovation in technology, engineering and manufacturing. It would not only be good for us economically but good for us from a nation security point of view as well.

Economic balance

I just happen to have a decent living working for a company that sells anti-China/Mexico tools to US manufacturing companies. Output of 1 man + our machine equals 5-6 men + lesser machines or about 20 men in mainly manual manufacturing of the same product.

Perfect antidote to cheap labour, until biggest US corporations figured out they can save even more money if they make investment in very expensive machinery (for which China/Mexico companies don't have money) and then ship the machines to China/Mexico.

You just can't win over greed.

What is really disturbing in the whole picture is upside down hierarchy of priorities. We should understand that without potatoes we will die. Therefore, agriculture should be first priority - but it is last. Without pans to cook those potatoes we will be extremely inconvinienced and at risk for food-borne diseases. But that's low priority. The highest priority is given to the latest-and-greatest cable service or Internet banking - all of which we would easily survive without. Some of us actually did survive without them for quite some time - and we were just fine, thank you very much.

Service sector of economy might be the most lucrative one, but it is least important for stability of the country. Try saying that to illuminated economists.

They will not just go away!
inkling_revival writes: Saturday, August, 25, 2007 10:53 AM
Why doesn't it surprise me?
"Small's offhand assessment that out troubles with Islam are "self-inflicted." And "The current Islamo-foibles are a surprise only to those who don't read history."

They say what ever sounds good to them in the moment. They are offended at being called liars. They intend each word to cause damage to the unprepared. They are not going to stop. They have a following and a mission. They are evincibly evil.

"He who will fight the devil with his own weapons, must not wonder if he finds him an over-match" South

"An evil at its birth, is easily crushed, but it grows and stengthens by endurance" Cicero



response
"what do the free traders have to say about this? george washington warned us not to entangle ourselves in other nations affairs and to pay our bills. the chinese own us and now they can dictate to us. i invite my libertarian friends and others who believe in free trade, to check out the movies godfather 1 and godfather 2, this is how the chinese operate. we need to find a way to make 'em offer they can't refuse and not send some pantyhose over there to negotiate."

Libertarians don't believe in deficit spending. If libertarians were in charge, the American individual would be able to afford his/her own prosperity.

if libertarians were in charge
America would still be in the throws of the 1970s depression. Every economic setback the U.S. has faced in the past 20 years have been lessened or avoided by the courageous deficit spending of American citizens.

jdw
is such a kidder.

Thanxx Nancy and Ronnie for starting the mess we are in and thanxx for the immigrants.
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