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Monday, July 13, 2009
Harry R. Jackson, Jr. :: Townhall.com Columnist
An Open Letter to President Obama
by Harry R. Jackson, Jr.
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The following is an excerpt from a letter that will be sent this week to President Obama from leaders in the African-American community. Two events have precipitated the writing of this letter.

1. The President hosted a Stonewall Riot 40th anniversary celebration at the White House, when no such meeting has been afforded to African-American clergy to date.

2. The legal attempt to overthrow the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) that has come out of Massachusetts last week.

All too often, both the press and politicians view the African-American community as a monolithic group that will go wherever the cultural winds blow them. This is not true. We want to express our concerns and be heard. The following letter is an attempt to encourage the president to consider our viewpoint on the redefinition of marriage.

“Dear President Obama,

“…Although you have voiced support for marriage as defined as a union between one man and one woman, we are concerned that that your campaign promise to changing the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) will work at cross purposes with your pro-marriage stance.

“We believe that the central domestic problem we face is the disintegration of marriage. One of the organizations we support called Marriage Savers points out that the marriage crisis is comprised of four elements:

1. A lowering of the marriage rate

• The marriage rate has plunged 50% since 1970

2. An increase in divorce

• Half of all new marriages end in divorce

3. A rise in heterosexual cohabitation

• The number of unmarried couples living together has soared 12-fold since 1960

4. A multiplication of unwed births

• Out-of wedlock births jumped from 5.3% to 39.6% from 1960-2007

“These statistics show the fragile nature of the institution of marriage today. Changing the definition of marriage will have many unintended consequences, which will hurt generations to come. If one redefines marriage, then the family is redefined. If the family is redefined then the nature of parenting must also be redefined.

“We are concerned that an attempt to recognize and adjust to one group’s sense of alienation may actually confuse future generations of children about their sexuality and blur lines of responsibility in our families. The very definitions of motherhood and fatherhood may be unnecessarily challenged in years to come.

“Same-sex marriage is not a civil right. The laws enacted by Congress during a century of struggle for equal rights for African Americans were intended to eliminate discrimination on the basis of race, not on the basis of an individual’s sexual preferences or personal behavior.

“Advocates of same-sex marriage want people to think that it can peacefully coexist alongside traditional marriage. But it will create a conflict between people of faith who fervently believe in traditional marriage and the law, which says marriage includes those of the same-sex variety. Those conflicts will always be resolved in favor of same-sex marriage because there can be no ‘conscientious objectors’ to the law.

“Mr. President, you say you desire to unify the nation and to change the politics-as-usual status of Washington. We want to believe this statement. As we have looked at both your policies and recent public affirmations, each of us has asked ourselves one question, ‘Is there room enough for people like us in President Obama’s America?’

Many of the people we speak for felt that your disparaging statements during the 40th anniversary of the Stonewall Riot were directed at them. Some of the people with ‘worn out arguments and old attitudes’ are not bigots or homophobes; they are our cultural elders, who are rightfully saying, ‘Don’t tear down a fence until you understand why it’s there.’ Recent studies show that there is a resurgence of hope about marriage among the young people of this generation. Mr. President, let’s keep hope alive…”

We also stated that the California Proposition 8 votes amending the state’s constitution to protect marriage marked the beginning of a new era in American politics. For the first time in recent history, black and Hispanic voters (predominately Christians) voted for President Obama and simultaneously voted against the Democratic power structure on this social issue. In light of this phenomenon occurring simultaneously within the black and Hispanic communities, we respectfully warned the president that hooking his political wagon too closely to the gay marriage bandwagon could precipitously erode public confidence in his administration.

If you agree with our concern about marriage, it’s time for you to start contacting both Republican and Democratic congressmen. Congress is where the battle concerning the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) will likely be fought. Importantly, many Republicans are shying away from this important social issue. Conversely, the Democratic Party (generally speaking) seems to be beholding to the gay marriage movement for its financial support in the last election.

Therefore, we must let each congressman know that he can be voted out of office if he moves the wrong way on this issue. Set aside Mondays to email, write or call saying, “We want you to support marriage and to protect DOMA.” Let’s make “Marriage Monday” a national movement.

The letter outlined above was signed by Niger Innis of the Congress on Racial Equality, Dr. William Owens, Sr. of Concerned African-American Pastors, Bishop Dale Bronner of Word of Faith Family Worship Center in Atlanta, Georgia, Pastor Terry Millender of Victorious Life Church in Alexandria, Virginia, and myself. If you would like to read the letter in its entirety, go to our website thetruthinblackandwhite.com.

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Bishop Harry Jackson is chairman of the High Impact Leadership Coalition and senior pastor of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, MD, and co-authored, Personal Faith, Public Policy [FrontLine; March 2008] with Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.

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This Is Just Typical Black Homophobia
Obviously the "Reverend" is trying to save White marriages since most Black children are born in single-parent homes and have been since the 70’s. Thanks Rev but both of my parents are straight, and don't need your help. AND, I am a Proud Gay Male so think about this. Your being straight does not affect my sexual preference so how is it that my being gay somehow threatens you?

Gay Marriage Okay
I do not relish gay marriage YET...I feel they should marry if desire to do SO, raise children as well. WHO AM I TO JUDGE OTHERS in this private situation/choice...it is not my job; this is Mother, Father, God, Holy Spirit, The Son...Allow the first person who is free of 'sin' to toss the first pebble!! IT IS FOR ME TO SET AN EXAMPLE AS A CHRISTIAN; NOT TO JUDGE

False Ideas
Once a country or a culture accepts false premises, it starts to decline.
False ideas:
1) Men and women are equal in all aspects.
2) All cultures are equally good.
3) All religions are equally valid or moral.
4) Morals evolve with the ideas required or desired by society.
5) Science must find results consistent with the politics of those in charge of awarding money. Example: Evolution must be accepted as a valid physical science even though it is just an unproven fantasy and not based on any scientific evidence.
6) Women have an assumed right to privacy of their body when they are pregnant and want an abortion; even though the baby is not their own body.
7) People are free when the government takes about 50% of their money by taxation (confiscation)
8) The practice of religion cannot be in public places.
9) The government must control education and health care.
10) Foreigners can immigrate to the US in any numbers that the foreigners want.
11) Foreigners can speak their languages instead of English, and must be accommodated by the government.
12) Marriage means what you want it to mean and not necessarily what tradition says that it means.

Defense of Marriage
Thanks for supporting the universal corner stone of human civilization embedded in marriage and family. Marriage should always be between one man and one woman. Belief in God aside, just the biologocal fact of man and woman acting in complemetary fuctions with a stable relationship for many years is a necessity for the development of human child into adulthood and maturity.
Having such an opinion does not automatically mean that holders of that opinion are evil and against homosexuals.
I for one am not in favor of discriminating in terms of contractual relationship. That is where the government involvement in peronal relationship must end. Marriage is largely a religious expression and consent.

James of NY:
are there any modern marrital practices you'd vote against in New York?

Population Control
All gay people have a mother and a father. If the young generation all turned gay then I would assume that population control would no longer be of a concern nor would the future of mankind. God created man and woman so they could bond and have children. The basis for marriage is to have children through a mother and a father. The only reason people get married is because they want to have children together in most cases in a Christian nation who marry until death, unless they divorce. Other than that, the state wants people to marry even if married in church so they can collect money and once you have a state license you have relinquished your rights of freedom to the state because you can't dissolve the marriage unless you pay the state again for the divorce. You then become wards of the state courts who will tell you what you can and can't do and what you can and can't have. And, if you can't settle, you can pay tens of thousands of dollars to lawyers who can drag you back and forth to court for months or years and let the attorneys and judges determine who will get what if anything; and who will pay for what; and if you're lucky, you might end up walking away with your toothbrush. Yes, definitely get a state license, pay the fee, and find out what's the real world is really like after divorce!

Wow David fellow Californian,
you've managed to list a vast array of marrital problems.
Can you give the straights a good reason for homosexual marriage?

James of NY you stated:
"young people don't share the bishop's bigotry"

I've observed no bigotry from the Pastor.

David in CA - Best post of the day
David. Thanks for your eloquent words. What the good bishop will really find out about the "young people of this generation", and "the resurgence of hope about marriage" is that young people don't share the bishop's bigotry and belief that gay people are the world's bogeymen responsible for all of the world's problems over the past half century. Marriage equality will be the law of the land by 2025 given the open mindedness of today's young people. Hats off to President Obama for seeing you for what you really are and not meeting with you. Obama will do what is right even if it costs him the bigot vote just as LBJ did in his day.

Walking in the footsteps of bigots...
Marriage is not threatened by "heterosexual cohabitation." Gays aren't like Amway, THEY DON'T recruit new people into the fold.

"Sanctity" isn't demonstrated by a 50% divorce rate. Marriage IS threatened by men who cheat on their wives with South American women.
Marriage IS threatened by wives who begin affairs with their husband's boss, while they are guests in the boss's house.
Marriage IS threatened by parents who let their teenage children share a bed with their boyfriend and then try to force them into an unhealthy marriage when they become pregnant. Marriage IS threatened by gay men who are pressured to "be cured" of their homosexuality and then enter in to a lie of a loveless, fake marriage.

Pastor, your children's view of commitment and marriage won't be formed by gay people they will never meet, but by your behavior, sir. Your children can't be hurt by a lesbian couple in California making a lifetime commitment.

You say that gay marriage is "not a civil right." But you know as well as anyone that neither was interracial marriage before 1967.

You say it's different because being gay is a "sexual preference and personal behavior." You're not only wrong because people are born gay (just as they are born black), but because segregationists would have made the same argument about the "personal behavior" of African-Americans as a logical argument.

And the only "conflict" to speak of, sir, is the conflict created by people of faith. These are the people of faith who prefer to ignore their own walk with Christ and their own witness to the world, and instead demand that their neighbor remove the speck from their eye. In your case, demanding the government forcibly remove the speck from your neighbor's eye.

As the scripture tells us, you should remove the plank from your own eye first.

Abortion Separation
Simply
horses give birth to horses
monkeys give birth to monkeys and
humans give birth to humans

The academic approach to this has led us to KILLING 50,000,000 HUMANS

Not embryos
Not tissue
Not almost humans

50,000,00 murders

yet the same people yell about the death penalty for murderers

Please explain to me how a person can say....lawful embryonic expulsion of pregnancies and not vomit thereafter

The law is a law of convenience
When are we going to take responsibility for our actions???

WE HAVE MURDERED 50,000,000 CHILDREN!

Way To Go Mr. Jackson
God bless you and the others who took a stand, wrote and signed the letter to Obama.

Na Na Na Naaa NA!
Birdman II-- Consider this - no single brown person is responsible for the actions of all brown people, just as no single Conservative is responsible for all Christians. Still, if a so-called Conservative Christian slips, the press yells Na Na Na Naaa NA!

JamesB from CA

Not true. The government has a long history of making citizens jump through hoops to receive recognition or benefits.

Under the Homestead Act in the 1800's, people had to actually relocate out west and "improve" the land. The Land grants were not available to everyone, just those who qualified.

Currently, Military Benefits are not open to everyone. Welfare benefits, Educational Benefits, Food Stamps, Social Security, medicare/medicaid benefits are not available to everyone. You must meet requirments to take advantage of these benefits.

It would appear your main objection is to Liberals who support all sorts of Federal benefits that are not equally available to all citizens and that in which people must jump through hoops to qualify.

Conservatives/Libitarians would support that position. Only Liberals believe the government should not treat all its citizens equally.

A vital statistic...
leewolf, Why can't we separate the two fights: one of a religious nature, abortion, and the other of a civic nature, marriage? I am AGAINST gay-marriage but FOR responsible lawful abortion of unwanted pregnancies in the embryonic stage. Religion broad-brushes the concept of human life with life in general. It is incorrect and causes strife between conservatives, who otherwise would agree with ALL other conservative ideas. I congratulate the black community religious leadership for standing their ground on marriage, and separating it from the more controversial issue of abortion. As long as we lack the technology to sustain embryonic life ex-utero, let there be legalized abortions for unwanted pregnancies in the embryonic stage, on demand. We don't have enough adoptive parents for ALL unwanted pregnancies, unless gay couples will start adopting unanimously, and gay life-style will proportionately grow with the number of accidental pregnancies. A little rationale would benefit a lot of emotionally driven religious people to pick their fights carefully. WE ARE NOT GOD! I certainly don't feel I am entitled to be "my brother's keeper", yet, I do bow down to God the Creator of all life, without assuming that my earthly will is above His. God WILL save the life He wants, without anyone's help. Faith in Our Father, the “size of a mustard seed”, would help even the most fervent church goers more, than religious activism.

marriage
it is about time that American blacks speak out since they are treated like uneducated from even their mutt in the wh. and all they want is everything free according to the mutt in the wh.

Cambermeister
I would vote against it. Why? Like any civil right, accepting it is an admission that the population granted that civil right is an inferior class of citizenry. I hold that all no individual is to be granted any special priveleges or punishments merely because of an arbitrarily created group that the individual belongs to (homosexuality is a biological function, not a choice, and is therefore an arbitrarily granted group). Civil rights are inferior to natural rights since civil rights are merely rights granted to the individual by the existing legislative body. If you admit that your rights are merely civil, then it beholdens you to the governing body.

By voting for it, it legitimizes the concept that we don't have rights unless the raw majority of the voting population grants them to us, hence why I would vote against such a measure and instead fight for the removal of government from the institution entirely (ie, no longer having to register marriage with the state, no more special provisions granted in the tax code for married couples, elimination of Family Court, etc). Marriage is freedom of association and freedom of contractual agreement. These rights exist independently of whatever government happens to be in power at the time and are rights that can neither be taken nor affirmed by that body. The identity of the individuals entering into that agreement and the purpose of that agreement is irrelevant so long as the purpose isn't to infringe on the rights of another member of society. As I see it, two individuals of the same gender chosing to commingle funds and cohabitate are not infringing on my rights, your rights or anyone else's rights and is, therefore, permissible and out of the bounds of legitimate government lawmaking.

JamesB. asks:
JamesB.
"And anyway, if you've got 10 gay couples who've had to fight for the right to get married versus 10 hetero couples, which marriages would last the longest?"

http://digg.com/people/Mass_Lesbian_Couple_Who_Led_Gay_Marr iage_Fight_to_Divorce

A lesbian couple who led the fight for gay marriage in Massachusetts has filed for divorce. Julie and Hillary Goodridge were among seven gay couples who filed a lawsuit that led to a court ruling making Massachusetts the first state to legalize same-sex marriages in 2004.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15853611/

PROVIDENCE, R.I. - A lesbian couple married in Massachusetts has filed for divorce in Rhode Island, setting up a legal conundrum for judges in a state where the laws are silent on the legality of same-sex marriage.
Margaret Chambers and Cassandra Ormiston of Providence were married after the Massachusetts Supreme Court legalized gay marriage in 2003, making it the only U.S. state allowing same-sex couples to wed.
Chambers' attorney, Louis Pulner, said Wednesday the couple had irreconcilable differences, and filed for divorce Oct. 23 in Rhode Island family court.

It's hard to tell.

The Government is Involved in Marriage
If marriage were only church related then not allowing gay people to get married would be their choice and it would be fine. But the fact that marriage is a civil deal, denying gay couples the right is clearly discriminatory and un-American. And anyway, if you've got 10 gay couples who've had to fight for the right to get married versus 10 hetero couples, which marriages would last the longest? 15 years from now, people will look back and be amazed that there were laws preventing people who love each other from getting married.

A Missing Vital Statistic
A key vital statistic that bears on your article is the Abortion Rate for the Black Community.

Of the 50 million abortions performed in the US since Roe vs Wade fully 30% of them have been attributable to Blacks. Imagine the Black population and its potential if this were not so.

This lends a certain credence to Justice Ginsberg's comments that she originally thought Roe v Wade was Designed to Limit "Populations That We Don't Want Too Many Of..."

This gives a whole added meaning to the concept of "unintended consequences", if indeed they were unintended. The origins of Planned Parenthood and the "convenient" locations of many of their clinics does little to dispel this thought.

PC is Thought Control
LEE

pb
Location: WA Reply # 4 Date: Jul 13, 2009 - 1:24 AM EST
"A joke, right?
While I consider 'homosexual marriage' an oxymoron, I find it ironic that African-Americans, with their illegitimacy rate up at 70% or so, want to get sanctimonious about marriage. Consider: MLK, Jesse Jackson, Mike Tyson, Michael Jackson, OJ Simpson... all these black 'icons'... Can someone name one who honored his marriage vows?"

I have. My brothers have. Just because some fail, should we set our sights lower?

Rev. Jackson
I hate to be the one to break it to you but our president does not care what people want... especially those people who do not side with him.

The fact is
that our President had no problem with the killing of newborns.
Not fetuses, newborns.
There is a line between pro-choice and infantacide.
Obama voted further over that line than the entire US Senate.
Read-up on his votes. Vomit.
Find out who is appointing Judges now.
Vomit again.

At best, Obama is a . . .
CINO, Christian in name only.

His support of abortion, which does kill off the black community at a higher rate than non-blacks, his support of homosexuals, his fight to deconstruct the family, his unwillingness to stand for the Christ in which he claims to believe--these are not actions of one who claims to be a "devout" follower of Christ Jesus.

Megalomaniac Obama panders to constituencies that voted him into office and that whine the most. He's done that and continues that behavior through his outrageous "legislated" giveaways. So what if he offends the people whose skin color he's tried so hard to be a part of?

Perhaps some day the black community will admit what slavemasters the Democrat Party has been and continues to be, and will realize that that party continues to use blacks as an excuse.

Until then, they're just tools in Obama's and the Democrat Party's power-grab-and-hold strategy.

And they have no ears or eyes for the black community or any others, or their members, who have the audacity of actually calling the Democrats' and Obama's hands about their morally anchorless existence and governance.

No Pay, No Way
..when no such meeting has been afforded to African-American clergy to date.
Simply, it was not have a campaign debt

Come, Let Us Reason
I was not at all surprised to see that Niger Innis was affiliated with this letter, he has stood out in the past for his reasoned and principled positions - a good and admirable man! As are all of these men - what a beautiful letter! I especially LOVED this part: "Some of the people with ‘worn out arguments and old attitudes’ are not bigots or homophobes; they are our cultural elders, who are rightfully saying, ‘Don’t tear down a fence until you understand why it’s there.’" Bravo!

HOWEVER, I must as well praise BARBARA OF AZ for her well-stated comments. 95% of the black community DID vote this man into a most powerful office; the vetting should have been done PRIOR to the election and plainly was not. The very first obstacle for me (as first & foremost a Christian) to voting for this man who had the potential to finally put racial division to rest was learning about his cold, unmoved heart regarding testimony by a nurse about 'born alive' aborted babies put in closets (or simply tossed into waste bins) to die. UNCONSCIONABLE! MONSTROUS! All the spending or championing of his 'brothahs and sistahs' in the world could not justify accepting and empowering such a moral failure!

But I support and laud your efforts on the present issue! It is indeed a worthy cause!

Barbara,
Your post #55 is disturbing and apparently accurate. Very well written.

Well, Bishop Jackson...
I admire your idealism and the faith that you have in the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a Christian too. But do not put your faith in the man Obama.

He is the "Christian" who asked that the name of Jesus to be covered up when he spoke at Georgetown. Jesus said: Whoever shall deny Me before men, I will deny him him before My Father who is in heaven.
Mat. 10:33

He is the "Christian" who set out a huge stumbling block for this nation of Christians when he said we are one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. Jesus said: Woe to the world because of its stumbling blocks! Matt18:7

He is the "Christian" who advocates the suffering of partial- birth aborted human beings. Jesus said: See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say unto you, that their angels in heaven continually behold the face of My Father who is in heaven. Matt.18:33

And you think one letter signed by a few earnest black men of faith is going to sway him? I wish it were true.

Your president told the homosexuals he invited to the White House that "I want to be more than a friend." How many "more than a friend" presidents do the gays need to accomplish their evil?

As a person who I presume, believes in Christ and the Gospel, I believe your thoughtful and earnest letter could be considered a fleece that you are putting out to test Obama. But about this I am almost positive. Not only will he tax your fleece, he will rebrand it, and he will make you wear it as a prayer shawl when you are ordered to use your church for gay marriages. You really don't have any idea what has hit you and the rest of us, do you?

By the time you realize the truth, he will have taken away your hope that you will have any redress from the government for the harm he has done you.

Justin of In

is another one who has trouble differentiating beetween the general and the specific.

He should argument one of the other. By trying to conflate the two. he ends up making no sense whatsoever about either.

I agree
with those who point out that liberals have destroyed the black community. As a child during WWII I was raised by Christian parents who worked hard, saved and bought a home. Our community was insular, in that there were black business people who primarily served the black population and their financial interests.

Ironically our community was integrated. Whites and blacks lived next door to each other. but socially interaction was proscribed by race.

Then we won the struggle for civil rights and the Democrats set out to make up for past injustices. Our stable communities have been turned into violent places plagued by promicuity, drug abuse and ignorance. That is why I despise liberals.

So pb, are you in
favor of homosexual marriage or not?

Justin of IN?
I agree with your premise that marriage should not alter the governments taxation and redistribution guidelines. Would you vote for or against homosexual marriage in the Hoosier State?

Replies to Marianne & m.a.
Marianne in GA #10: I did not question his 'right & responsibility.' I said I find his sanctimoniousness ironic. But since you have raised a flag, I guess I do as well question why the bishop thinks that 'African-American' clergy should have the black president's ear on this or any issue. BTW, where's the bishop on the ccontent of BET, or 'Soul Train,' or the general level of promiscuity winked at, condoned, & ignored by black leadership while being regarded a 'black thang' to the point that whites are viewed as laughing-stocks for not being in on it?

To m.a. in MI at #28: It ''might be' that TV etc is to blame -- the equivalent of the old line, 'The devil made me do it!' Such excuses are pathetic, but while you're at it you have to include feminism, the pill, sex ed, porno, the internet and 'Lady Chatterly's Lover.'

The bishop's rush here to have a word with the black president, from one black to another, on the issue of gay marriage is a ruse. He wants influence. He wants to be the go-to guy with a direct line to Obama -- on any matter! This issue is his best bet.

TheDailyLlama
Would you also suggest barring individuals that don't pass a mandated fertility test marriage as well? Since those unions are unable to produce children, it would logically suggest that if government is able to dictate who spends time with who and for what reason that they can mandate we all subject ourselves to the prying eyes of a fertility clinic with results passed to a bureaucrat before we can enter into the arrangement.

The solution is to get rid of DOMA AND to get rid of any other laws providing special provisions for marriage entirely. The reason marriage is falling apart is our system treats it as a financial arrangement. People don't cohabitate with a business partner, which is how marriage is treated by our government.

The impacts listed in the article are a classic example of what happens when you let government run your life. Children are being born to single parents because of how expensive it is to raise them, yet we can't just ignore our biological instincts of procreation. When a single person is losing 50% of their income to the central government through a variety of means ranging from direct taxation of income and passthrough costs of business taxes and regulation, fathers are highly unlikely to stick in a relationship that is no longer financially possible.

There need be only one law regarding marraige: government may not regulate, dictate, provide special incentives for, or otherwise utilize the legal system in any regards to the private arragngement between invididuals otherwise known as marriage.

The government has no business sticking its nose in the basic right of freedom of association, be it to incentivize or disincentivize the makeup or manner of that relationship.

For the rest, it'll be solved by dissolving the welfare state in its entirey and dramatically cutting taxes. People living off of tax money are rarely upstanding, responsible citizens.

We Must Reverse This Trend
The issue of marriage and the family is basic to our heritage and our survival as a nation. If we allow liberal activists to complete the destruction of the institution of marriage, all the rest of the socialist agenda becomes a fait accompli.

It is astounding to think of the quantum leaps our society has taken, just since the 1950's. I'm not a luddite, and I cheer the many positive technological changes that have made our lives easier and better. I am also pleased with the social changes that have helped minorities, people with disabilities, and others be able to participate more fully in American society.

I am saddened by the social change that has Americans viewing traditional marriage between a man and a woman as irrelevant or obsolete. Marriage and then in vitro fertilization so that Barry and Bruce can have children? Heather has two mommies, (and no daddy?) The narcissistic homosexuals don't care about children. They need to feel normal, so they look for ways to have a family. Plenty of biological, psychological, and sociological research reveals that children need parents of both sexes to develop normal sexual identites.

I don't care how much love gays have to give or what their income levels. They should get a puppy.

Your Effort Is Appreciated
Well done, and I wholeheartedly support your views. I unfortunately took the time to read all the responses, and was disappointed in some of the thoughtless answers. I commend you for bringing this issue up in an open letter to the president.

It seems that every conservative or traditional thought process has to be diminished by throwing it into the left/right, GOP/DEM, race, religious, and equal rights arguments. The same holds true of the institution of marriage by straining it through the courts until it has become nothing more than a temporary agreement. It seems that courts and spineless leaders choose to ignore any traditional or historical value to marriage and the family unit. Homosexuality has no place in the marriage equation; it is a moral issue that seeks approval to salve conscience.

Keep fighting the good fight, there is One who is stronger than us all behind you.

What is Marriage?
Marriage is a social construct designed for the:

1. Conception
2. Birthing
3. Rearing

of Children.

Despite my steadfast belief that even Gays deserve the same rights and priviliges as Straights, Gays cannot do all 3 things, and since they cannot, their relationships cannot cannot be called a marriage.

Why? because unless all 3 can be done inside the relationship, the relationship is something other than marraige, plain and simple. Call it a civil union if you want, but it's not a marriage.

In the context of a gay relationship gays cannot conceive children. Some straight couples cannot conceive children either, but they hope to when they marry.

Gays can birth children given that one of them is a female and can get artificially inseminated. They can also rear children and often do quite well at it.

However, since they cannot do all 3 the relationship they have cannot be considered married.

Band together
All "groups', Black, White, Hispanic, Asian etc. etc. should band together for the good of this country and stop allowing politicians to divide us for their own benefit.

Pistol, the libs. killed the black
community with their most successful programs ever: the *sexual rev.* and drug culture.

When the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, 90% of all black children were born to married partners. Today, 70% are born to unwed women, many teens, and 43% of all black women never believe they'll marry.

The 70s cocaine epidemic, 80s crack pandemic, and 90s meth explosion have ravaged all minorities and are never recognized as liberal culture destroying the very people progressives supposedly adore and promote.

It isn't conservatives who've spent 40 years portraying illicit sex and illegal drug use as hip and cool in the media and entertainment.

When blacks started blaming the gov't in the 80s for AIDS, the truth was it was LIBERAL sexual mores that spread and increased AIDS everywhere.

Why minorities pledge their lives and honor to Dems. and their defeatist ideas is beyond rational understanding.

But why Dems. also pursue the same failing national policies decade after decade is also NEARLY incomprehensible, save they don't care about the people but relish in the arrogance and power.

Bork Sotomayor. Sen.: 202-225/224-3121.

Typical
The democRATS support the homosexual agenda because they want their votes, and also I'm sure many of them are homosexual themselves.
Obama will support anyone's cause if they promise to vote for him. Typical Chicago thug.
This bozo is an embarrassment to the USA.
Repealing DOMA will be a huge mistake and will censor people of faith who believe that homosexuality is sin and should not be encouraged.

Welfare
destroyed the Black community, and that spread next to the whites, who saw how easy it was for Blacks to leave Mama's control, by getting pregnant and getting their own apartment and their food stamps. This sounds like a theory promulgated by bigots, but many of us have seen it, and the facts bear it out. Illegitimacy was not common in the Black community before welfare, and it was rare among whites, however poor. When government became Daddy, all was changed.

Socialist nations have high rates of out of wedlock births. I'm of Swedish extraction, and I have watched that country destroy the family. Fist, they attacked the church by taxing it out of operation. Then they replaced God with government. Absent religious and economic values, interest in marriage lessens. All of Europe is experiencing the decline of the family and the birthrate. Read American Alone, by Mark Styne. disturbing

King Elect cares nothing for blacks
or any other group--he wants to change the US into a European socialist warehouse where 15% unemployment, energy restriction, no business activity, and near or real recession is a way of life.

That way he can conduct the entire nation through his czars and MSM acolytes, accumulating power day by day.

Bork him.

Bork Sotomayor. Sen.: 202-244/225-3121.

Go to tea parties on the 17th at the local offices of your Cong. reps.' or Sens.' to protest Obamacare and more power takeover of your life and life's decisions.

Stilla of 11:01
You are correct and accurate, but few know it. The rate of black economic and educational advancement in the 40's and 50's dropped sharply with the advent of the great society in the 60's. Dr. Sowell has often documented the statistics showing this is so. Its a pity that Jim Crow was not eliminated and other civil rights affirmed, without destroying the regard for family, for self-improvement, for self-reliance and hard work that characterized blacks prior to GS handouts. Its great that the rewards for the black folks that maintained these values has increased. Its sad that so many sold out their increased opportunity for a mess of pottage. Barry is on track to complete the debacle.

Obama and Blacks
If Blacks ever thought Obama would contribute to their benefit, they should now know better. One of his first acts was to pay back the National Education Association by eliminating vouchers for poor inner city Blacks to attend the kind of schools HIS GIRLS attend.

It was conservative whites who established those opportunities for inner city kids to get out of failing schools, and they planned to expand them. Obama and the Democrats need to keep Blacks and other minorities on the reservation, poor and helpless, so that they will always vote for hope and change. A permanent underclass keeps the liberals in power. Moving people into the middle class doesn't serve their agenda.


Oxymoron
Homosexual marriage is an oxymoron; an attempt to change perceptions by redefining language. It is the proverbial lipstick on a pig.

The entire concept of marriage arose and was cultivated to grant legal and moral sanction for progeny, inheritance, etc. A contractual relationship between two people can accomplish that without polluting the language with this ambiguity.

Liberals Destroyed the Black Family
In the late 1950's, most Blacks, both urban and rural, had intact families with a father in the home. More Blacks attended college in that era than now---after all the integration through crosstown busing, al the school nutrition and literacy programs, all the money spent. Whatever the intentions, Lyndon Johnson's Great Society destroyed growing Black entrepreneurism, Black culture, Black religion, and the Black family.

I hope my observatons will not be misunderstood, but court-ordered school desegration through chaotic cross-town busing was a mistake. Integration was occuring slowly, organically, albeit very slowly, as Blacks moved into the middle class. In the meantime, there were some fine all-Black high schools with graduates who went on to college, some to Ivy League schools, became doctors and professionals, came back to their communities and put out their shingles, opened up businesses, and teir communities were profitting. I'm not apologizing for Jim Crow segregation, which was a blight on our nation---just pointing out that it was ended in a way that had terrible results.

Vivian
I see living a clean life, working and paying quite a bit in taxes and not imposing my needs and wants on others as being part of the solution, not the problem. Now if you jump to conclusions and call me racist, you're basically saying that most African Americans are living off the government when the fact is that there are and have always been more whites on welfare than there are blacks. Conservatives, in general, want small government with less intrusion into our lives. We don't want the needy to starve, however we do want those that are fully capable and able to work, to help contribute to the truly needy. Without tax dollars, there can't be the funds needed to help the needy. And as far as I'm concerned, color shouldn't enter into any of this including homosexual issues.

binc
your part of the problem, not the soulution. So please keep that in mind

Corrupted culture?
Vivian, Joycey's "corrupted culture" supplies, in large part, the tax monies to Pay for the AA's programs.

Shame on Hollywood

The movies in recent decades have much to do with decling morality in this country in my opinion. It seems like the Hollywood producers are determined to validate and encourage sinful behavior. They glorify the violation of each of the Ten Commandments.

Furthermore, Hollywood entertainers tend to support liberal politics.

I suggest boycotting all Hollywood movies until they correct their behavior. I would not pay Hollywood one penney.

It would be appropriate for the President to stand up to Hollywood and explain how much they cost America. What are teh chances of that happening?

And guess what joycey
The AA community never ever believed in your corrupted culture as well so please get off your highhorse

legalizing homosexuality
When homosexuality is legalized, the homosexual thinks that the sin is ok because it is now legal. It is the soul that continually convicts and there will never be peace or acceptance for the sinner except repentance. So it is with abortion--a legal contraception; divorce--adultery.

I would not want to be the person who allows these to pass that stands before the Lord. Now we can talk about global warming(what a crock) --except it is eternal fire--truth.

Slim and None
Those are the chances you have of affecting the POTUS' posture on the issues you raise, Bishop Jackson, because his positions are not based on moral principle and never will be. You give him way too much credit by assuming that they are. The contradictions in his positions are intentional, deliberate political triangulation.

Slim and None
Those are the chances you have of affecting the POTUS' posture on the issues you raise, Bishop Jackson. Why? Because upwards of 95% of blacks voted for him in 2008 and will again in 2012 without regard to anything other than his complexion. He'll deal to pick up votes that could go either way but there's no sense dealing when he's got a sure thing anyway.

To pb in WA...
Might it be that the continuing erosion of morality and the belief in Objective Truth, brought on by t.v., movies, music, magazines, art, education,etc. is the cause of our high out of wedlock birth rate? That rise is occurring across all demographics, although it is higher in the black community. Incidentally, the rate of abortion is also highest in the black community. Faith and the traditional family are the backbone of our civil society. The destruction of our civil society is of paramount importance to those people who would "remake" America. To remake and build a new society it is necessary to destroy what already exists. More people should have questioned the "change" Obama had in mind before he was elected.

Atemely in NJ
You stated: Abortion...
Not mention in their letter is Abortion. Abortion kills more African-American babies, 6 in 10 abortions are African-American babies. There are only a few African-American churches and pastors promoting the Culture of Life. Life is the foundation of marriage.

Short and sweet (but oh so sad)...it used to be that the number one killer of Blacks in America was violence at the hands of a Black Man between the ages of 17-25....now that has shifted to a Black Woman between the ages of 17-25, all because of abortion.

On Marriage: Marrigae is a religious term and if you don't have any intention of honoring a religion by expressing a desire to practice and be transformed by it's adherence then find something else to complain about.

Trying to explain that 'Christians' aren't perfect practicioners of their faith is a moot point...we know we're not perfect, but we're willing to admit that we committ sins, something the homosexuals want to have NOTHING to do with, so instead they want the definition of marriage changed so they can get Federal tax breaks, etc.

Here's an idea, get Obama and Geithner to drop any and all incentives from the tax code for being 'married' and start treating America's citizens with true equality....everybody gets taxed the same and nobody gets a special break for being married.

Get government out of the equation altogether.

Just Say No to the Nanny State.

OPEN LETTER TO A CLOSED MIND
I am afraid that although i believe communication is important President Obama has an agendathat is closed to anything ohter than his agenda. He is the master of say one thing but do the exact opposite. He says he believes in amrriage between a man and a woman but continues to promote the homosexual agenda in his actions. HE does not walk his talk and it is truly remarkable that he is not being called out on this.

Homosexuality vs traditional marriage
has never been a strong talking point for me. But I truly understand and support the leaders in the African-American community who wrote this letter.

If there is one thing that I could change in the black community that I think would make a huge difference for their children, it is the presence of a father in the home. I have no real knowledge of the statistics, but it seems to me that a woman going it alone and usually working as well, would have to be Houdini to get it all done.

We had a neighbor who had adopted a black child, a boy. She reached out to a supportive organization and that boy had a black male friend during the time that he was maturing. He was never in trouble and, after high school, he went on to college.

This is just one case, I realize. But I wish that it were possible for all those single moms who are missing that ingredient could signal and receive help from a reliable and concerned male figure.

Black community wake up
If we are not monolithic, then stop acting as such. Go here for the antidote to liberalism. http://www.theblacksphere.net

I no longer believe in the Black
or Hispanic communities. A vote for OBAMA was either racist or communistic.

I can't believe the
black and hispanic Christians supported communism. Christians believe Thou shall not steal. Socialism/Communism/Fascism did not grow from a Bible believing background. It came from Humanists. Black and Hispanic Christians should not use their vote to steal to support their own paychecks.

conservativation is RIGHT, pt. 4
There are also statutory restrictions on age, consanguinity (blood relationships), the number of people in a marriage, and yes, species. (That one is implicit, but it is there nevertheless; you cannot marry an elephant, a dolphin, or your dog).

Despite what some gays say they want or don't want, the fact is that the legal arguments they are using are equally applicable to these other statutory limitations. And those arguments will be used; groups preparing to challenge them are already waiting in the wings.

Polygamists and polyamorists plan to challenge legal restrictions on the NUMBER of people in a marriage. How? Same way: by arguing that their sexual orientation/preference is a protected class or suspect category, and that their are loving relationships akin to traditional families, and that they, not the state, are in the best position to assess what is best for the children their couplings produce.

Age restrictions will be next. Girls can have sex, have children, or even decide to abort below age 18, or 17, or even 16, they will say; how is it that girls (and, for equal protection purposes, boys as well), cannot marry?

Consanguinity limits will come thereafter. And the species limits? Well, does anyone doubt that people like Peter Singer and PETA would defend the intelligence of certain species - even as being superior to certain humans? "And we let THEM marry."

This is no mere "slippery slope" argument. It is the way legal precedent works.


Abortion...
Not mention in their letter is Abortion. Abortion kills more African-American babies, 6 in 10 abortions are African-American babies. There are only a few African-American churches and pastors promoting the Culture of Life. Life is the foundation of marriage.

Marriage
We all know how Obama campaigned...marriage between a man and a woman. How many of those so called promises has he kept in a few short months of his administration. None, if any.
He owes, unions, gays, blacks and hispanics and his paybacks out number his promises. Did you actually believe all that rhetoric?

jackson letter
mr. jaclson's letter is consistent with earlier pronunciations of black views on homosxual marriage. he's certainly entitled to that opinion without the juvenile behavior that has been demonstrated from those have different views.

conservativation is RIGHT, pt. 3
In states where gay marriage has been advanced, the argument is that sexual orientation is (or should be) a protected class, and/or a suspect category, and that laws affecting it should receive "strict scrutiny."

Thus, states with laws limiting marriage to one man and one woman argue that protection of the family and children are their primary objectives, and that limitations on marriage effect those objectives.

But courts are rejecting these arguments. They will concede that protecting family and children are worthwhile objectives for the state, but they simply refuse to hold that traditional marriage is the "best" way to do that. So, these courts conclude that the marriage limitation laws do not survive "strict scrutiny," and they strike them down. The immediate result is that gays are allowed to "marry," under those states laws, as modified by the judiciary (or as modified by the legislature under orders of the judiciary).

Many Americans have no problem with civil unions for gay couples. But these legal precedents go much further than that. And that is because gender restrictions are NOT (contrary to what media converage might have you believe) the only statutory restrictions on marriage.

conservativation is RIGHT, pt. 2
The argument that has been made in order to redefine legal marriage as including two men or two women, is that the previous state law defining marriage as one man and one woman could not withstand constitutional scrutiny. In fact, one by one, state laws protecting "health, safety, welfare and morals" have been attacked and dismantled.

Ordinarily, the only standard a state has to meet in order to defend the existence of its "H,S,W & M" laws is whether there is a "rational basis" for such a law. Historically, this has been a very easy standard to meet.

There is a tougher standard, however. If the law affects a "suspect category" or a "protected class," then the law receives "strict scrutiny," meaning that the state's objectives in enacting the law are meaningful, and no less intrusive alternative is available.

conservativation is RIGHT
It IS about divorce. Some of us (me, sort of, barely) are old enough to remember the debate that went on regarding the liberalization of divorce laws. They were not going to destroy marriage, they were simply going to liberate men, women and children from "bad" marriages.

Uh-huh. Sure. 40+ years later, what has happened? The divorce rate skyrocketed. So did illegitimacy. So did child abuse (a ridiculously disproportionate amount of abuse is inflicted at the hands of Mom's "boyfriend"). Children, we discovered after a few decades of tampering with their security, need both parents, and do just fine in "good enough" marriages, but suffer terribly as a result of divorce.

If gays want to make permanent commitments to someone, most of us have no problem with that (and would see it as far safer for them than the promiscuous lifestyle that made AIDS so rampant 20-plus years ago). But the LEGAL MACHINATIONS necessary to call it "marriage" are what few Americans other than lawyers are looking at...

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Obama Lied
Obama lied about his support for traditional marriage. He did this with a wink at the "gay community". They knew he was lying (and so did I). Thus, will this affect black support for his re-election in 2012? Heck no, blacks will continue to monoltically support him (as they do all Democrats}. Obama knows he has black voters in the bag. He needs to continue to appease the homosexuals because, unlike blacks, they may abandon him. Respectfully Bishop Jackson, Obama does not care what you think.

Right Issue, Wrong Reason
Sure SSM is a bad idea...BUT
Lets coin a phrase....ITS THE DIVORCE STUPID...

Im tired of my fellow Christian conservatives ranting about SSM while they preach to churches full of divorced and divorcing, mainly filed by women, groundless divorces.


Same old
Respectfully, Bishop Jackson, African-American support for BHO is monolithic. 94 per cent speaks for itself.

pb reply #4
rather than looking for an invitation to the white house, perhaps mr. jackson is, as he states, sincerely concerned for the deterioration of marriage that leads to and results in the infidelity you outline....because celebrities of his particular race have cheated on their wives he doesn't have the right and responsibility to speak out against the destruction of marriage? that idea pb, is the joke.

Gay rights
The Lord's word "The Holy Bible says it homosexual ways are sin and that it is an
obination. He set forth that marriage should
be between and man and a woman.

Gay population?: Only 0.75%
Gay population?: Only 0.75%
The best estimates say that the homosexuals are only 0.75% of the general total population. That means that there are only 75 homosexuals mixed in with every 9,925 sexually normal people for every 10,000 people of the total population.
Re: Same-sex "Marriage" -
Why would President Obama listen to a fringe group of only 0.75% of the population? Of that small group, maybe only a third or 0.25% of the general population are interested in being "married" with their same-sex partner. Gays are promiscuous because they are not psychologically satisfied by same-sex sex, and therefore they constantly look for a new partner to give them that psychological satisfaction that they will never find. This means, of course, that same-sex “marriages” would be intrinsically unstable on a psychological basis, not even considering the fact these same-sex sexual partnerships are not real marriages in the physical sense that a real heterosexual marriage is.

Homosexuals

Most everyone supports gay rights.

Only Liberals support redefining marriage.

The problem those of us who are
concerned about the policies of the Obama Administration face is that many (most?) of the people who voted Obama into office are just content to have him as president, and are paying no attention whatsoever to his policies. They have other things to do with their lives.

I can relate to that sentiment. I was the same way when Reagan was president. I was busy raising a young family and taking college courses. I didn't have time to pay close attention to the everyday events and disagreements in politics.

Those who are asleep today are going to wake up to a very different America than when they fell asleep. What is happening on all fronts is simply terrifying!

Good luck, you'll need it
The ACLU, the gays, the special interest groups, the humans rights groups, the atheist, anti Americans, the terrorist sympathizers, the going green nuts, the global warning nuts, anti war protesters are who President Obama listens to and acts immediately on what they want. It's what the people voted for, is what President Obama will say. Anything other then what these groups wants President Obama will see it as philosophical differences and fail theories and dismiss it was wrong.

A joke, right?
While I consider 'homosexual marriage' an oxymoron, I find it ironic that African-Americans, with their illegitimacy rate up at 70% or so, want to get sanctimonious about marriage. Consider: MLK, Jesse Jackson, Mike Tyson, Michael Jackson, OJ Simpson... all these black 'icons'... Can someone name one who honored his marriage vows?
Please! Don't know what's up with the good bishop here. Maybe he's miffed that he ain't seen the inside of the White House yet.

Bishop Jackson
You are a courageous and honorable man. Thank you for stepping up to the plate. I admire you and the growing list of black leaders who are speaking out against the policies of a man who prefers to hide behind the color of his skin. God will bless your efforts in His behalf. The truth will set us all free.

Homosexuals, don't count
on our new President. He has learned from and is a much more clever politician than preceding leftist leaders. Democrats (and similar)learned long ago to use homosexuals as their shock troops in their rise to power. Homosexuals are the ultimate one issue voter and will aggressively spend time and treasure to elect whomever they anticipate will legitimize their unusual behavior.
By making promises to the gays, Bill Clinton got a small army to spend their government summer breaks as devoted door knockers throughout the primary process. Adolph Hitlers homosexual brown shirts bullied or killed those that opposed the National Socialists rise to power.
With "don't ask don't tell" and DOMA Clinton figuratively stabbed the homosexuals in the back. Hitlers' henchmen did so literally during the "Night of the Long Knives.
Candidate Obama acquired the devotion of the gay community with nothing more than a wink and a nod. Expect nothing from him.

Why don't gays vote Republican. The GOP promises to ignore homosexuals and keeps their promise. A Democrat will never respect a homosexual in the morning.

Silly concept, no explanations.
Homosexual marriage is Historically Non-Existent,
Morally Indefencable and Evolutionarily Incomprehensible.

Is there a good reason a fan of homosexual marriage can give for this silly concoction.
A reason that your Grandfather would understand?
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