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Monday, October 13, 2008
Harry R. Jackson, Jr. :: Townhall.com Columnist
The NAACP Abandons the Black Family
by Harry R. Jackson, Jr.
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It is no secret that American families are under pressure. In fact, our families are imploding. The number of divorces for first time marriages have crossed the 50% mark, while over 60% of second marriages are likely to fail, and folks attempting their third marriage face odds of nearly 3 to 1 that they will be unable to make it work. What this means for the average family is that kids, houses, and bank accounts become contested territory for divorcing “Romeos and Juliets.” Thus our nation’s confidence in the institution of marriage is as compromised as our faith in our financial institutions.

As an African American who feels that black families have the most to lose if marriage is re-defined, I have been shocked by the lack of support that traditional civil rights organizations have given to the marriage amendment. Any true advocate for the health of black families should be incensed because of the decline of the black family. Many black social problems - from poverty to poor academic performance in school - are exacerbated by the curse of black fatherlessness and the soaring number of out-of-wedlock births. The entire institution of marriage could become functionally extinct in just a few decades.

A two-step strategy must be enacted by black leaders to save our community. We must strengthen existing marriages, while opposing the redefinition of marriage by gays and others. Against this backdrop, I cannot understand Julian Bond’s personal opposition to national marriage protection efforts. Earlier this year, the civil rights icon and Chairman of the NAACP made the following statement about the NAACP’s opinion of a marriage amendment, “(is) opposed every constitutional attempt or amendment to create these divisions among people based on their sexual orientation…It is divisive. It's harmful. It does not bring people together. It drives them apart.”

While on the surface, Bond has attempted to imply that the NAACP itself has taken no official position on the issue of same sex marriage, he has assumed a leadership role in the “Fairness for All Families Campaign” this year. This coalition developed a statewide strategy to defeat the Florida Marriage Protection Amendment which will appear on November’s ballot. Why such an unhealthy commitment to Florida?

Florida is influential in terms of national policy because of its wealth and dense population. Mr. Bond may also be concerned that pro marriage amendment voters may also vote against the traditional Democratic ticket including the presidency. In 2004 Kerry lost important black votes to President Bush in both Florida and Ohio because of the national concern about same sex marriage.

Although Bond’s colleagues say that he describes himself as a “full-time Florida property owner and part-time Florida resident,” his anti-marriage amendment stance may be based on both civil rights concerns and partisan politics.

Whatever the reason, Bond’s refusal to protect the black family is a dereliction of duty. His personal example has spoken very loudly to local NAACP chapters and they have picked up his pro-gay stance on marriage. In fact Adoraobi Nweze, president of Florida's NAACP, told the Baptist Witness in a Sept. 20 interview that the local chapter had voted to oppose the marriage amendment. This means that the NAACP will openly fight against defining marriage as being exclusively a union between a man and a woman. As a result of this decision, the NAACP has joined other local pro-gay rights groups in a powerful ground war in Florida. Black pastors report that NAACP operatives have attempted to minimize the magnitude of the marital crisis that exists in the Black community.

The organization has allegedly written letters and made telephone calls asking leaders to avoid pastor gatherings and rallies sponsored by the High Impact Leadership Coalition (an organization that I lead). My organization, on the other hand, is aware that blacks, whites, and Hispanic Christians have to unify because a 60% vote is necessary to pass a Florida marriage amendment. Therefore, we have worked tirelessly to host leadership summits and rallies in Jacksonville, Orlando, Tampa, Ft. Lauderdale, and Miami.

Bond and other gay rights advocates believe that defeating pro-marriage efforts this election cycle in all three amendment battlegrounds will result in same sex marriage becoming the defacto law of the entire nation in two or three years. Therefore, millions of dollars of contributions have been sunk into the their efforts in all three states.

The Florida battle becomes even more significant because recent legal developments in Connecticut. Last Friday a Connecticut Supreme Court ruled that same sex couples have a constitutional right to be married. The court struck down the state’s civil union law. With this act of judicial intervention, Connecticut becomes the third state that has legalized gay marriage. The timing of this high court decision makes one wonder whether it was politically motivated. Perhaps the judges wanted to declare the inevitability of same sex marriage becoming the law of the land, expecting pro-family groups to raise the white flag of surrender in this battle for the definition of marriage.

While some traditional marriage advocates around the nation may give up, the majority of social conservatives will be emboldened to fight even harder against same sex marriage.

In conclusion, let me encourage every reader to contact both local and national leaders of the NAACP. Let’s let them know that marriage is a sacred institution that must be vigilantly protected.

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Bishop Harry Jackson is chairman of the High Impact Leadership Coalition and senior pastor of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, MD, and co-authored, Personal Faith, Public Policy [FrontLine; March 2008] with Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.

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Mother of 4
You just made the case FOR marriage between gay PARENTS.

And you made the case that marriage between adults WITHOUT children IS legal.

Denying that would be a contradiction of yourself AND the law.

See, that's why the courts ruled as they did, and why YOU cannot be charged with voting on it.

Nothing radical or activist about how the justices have voted in favor of marriage EQUALITY. They were adhering to the intents of marriage, family AND Constitution, not contradicting them.

You, clearly....cannot.

The Constitution also protects from a TYRANNY by a majority. Which, probably at the federal level, this issue may be decided on that basis.

Homosexuality, is not a culture, nor choice. It's an attribute that is universal and indigenous to all mankind.
And not an attribute harmful to society or who is gay out of any proportion to heterosexuality.

Using laws as if it WERE, is inappropriate to how laws regarding gay people is adjudicated.
And if it's about your religious belief, then LET GOD JUDGE in the end, not YOURSELVES.

Gatorbait
“I hope you are a black man like i am for if not you dont know anything about what brought the black family down. The Democratic Party started offering us Free things for nothing if we voted for them. The biggest problem tho was WELFARE it made us do things we never had done before."

I'm a brother like you and have some info for you. Out of nearly 40M black Americans, approximately 6.5M black families are on welfare as opposed to 5.9 million white families (FY 2005/2006 data). Statistics show that 25% of black Americans live in poverty while 75% do not. That means that 2/3 of us do not fall into the "welfare made us do it" category that you refer to.

There are many social factors that have significantly affected the stability of the black family and the availability of welfare has had a nominal effect. The drug trade that has flourished in our communities is number one. US prisons and jails are filled with crack addicts and drug pushers that are fathers who are no longer in the picture for their children. Addicted single parents with teen and young adult children see the cycle of out-of-wedlock births continue unabated due to a lack of a male role model while the young men get sucked into the hip-hop lifestyle that views ebony queens as only objects for sexual pleasures.

In addition, there is a chasm that has developed between the sexes in the black community as women have taken on the responsibilities of both parents in many cases developing strong personalities that unfortunately causes apprehension for some black males regarding long-term commitment.

Couple these problems with a porous educational system in most urban areas, high unemployment rates among blacks, and feelings of hopelessness and low self-esteem and you have a prime mixture for family break-ups and/or child desertion.

Gatorbait, the welfare program does have negative issues but mostly it is used as a GOP talking point to deride dems.


Just to be clear
Not sure where the author was going with this, but gay anything has nothing to do with black marriages. Marriage is declining for all races, and divorce is growing in all races. Not that I agree with gay marriage. I believe in the traditional definition of marriage between a man and a woman. I wonder if the author was hinting at the men on the down low, but if so it's still a bad deal. Whether you are married and committing gay adultery, or openly gay, its still an abomination.

Gatorbait and Lionheart
You're both right! There are lazy people of all races, but the majority of them are minorities that take advantage of the welfare programs. Welfare has been around a long time, but it changed drastically in the 60s with the war on poverty. The food stamps pilot of 1961, the Food Stamp Act of 1964, and Medicare in 1965. Look it up. Black families for the most part were still together then. That wasn't so much the spiraling downward of our black men or "baby's daddies" as you stated Gatorbait, as it was the drugs that crept up a bit in the sixties, got heavier in the 70's(in which the 30 year olds of today were born and the disappearing daddy syndrome begin) which is partially the result of Vietnam War 1961-1975. Most of the men that came back from that war were looking for something to help them forget it. Anyway, more cumbersome in the 80s-90s with the growing existence of gangs in the black community, and resulting in and even larger increase of fatherless children. So theoretically, you are both right. Absentee fathers were definitely the defining factor. Lionheart is right as well, because drugs was the leading cause of absentee fathers. Men didn't leave home because of welfare, but women (which who you will see at the welfare offices) started relying heavily on welfare once the father's started disappearing. The results began a cycle of repetitive behavior. Fatherless girls having fatherless babies, and men walking away like their fathers did. Now what are we doing about it? Are we just shaking our heads in disgust, or are we going out and trying to be a mentor to those young men without fathers to end the cycle?

Mother of 4
You are saying what a lot of us are thinking. The liberal agenda is advanced most by the breakdown of the family, as the post from Gaitorbait illustrates. Obviously, since the state of Texas overturned its sodomy laws, any pervert can do any type of perversion he chooses, with impunity. That doesn't make it right in the eyes of God or the larger society, nor does it give him rights. Homosexuals should not be given "rights," they should be given therapy.

Romantic love as a reason for, or even a feature of marriage, is a very recent invention, as you point out. Survival of the species, the protection of each other from the state (the state would like nothing more than to get every person alone and powerless). Consolidation of power in the family unit is another protection of the species.

And, to Gaitorbait: those "freebies" are pretty much available to anyone who chooses to take advantage of the system, originally offered as a safety net to people temporarily down on their luck. I fail to find sympathy for people who use the availability of welfare as an excuse for their condition in life. If that's how you choose to get money, accept what your life becomes. The white culture is not pushing anything at you that you can't refuse. Nor are they responsible. You are.

Is there an elephant in the room?
then people make up their own rules and wonder at the confusion of present day media and church leadership.

If there is no standard, no guideline, no "tradition," then what is left but each generation grasping to re establish norms.

If, on the other hand, we accept our Judeo-Christian as our shared heritage from which spring our laws and mores, then we have an established model for families: marriage between a man and a woman and the protection and nuturing of children that issue from their sexual union.

We call this unit the basis of society: family, starting with a legal marriage between a male and a female.

Why are we trying to reinvent the wheel (marriage)? What is gained by weakening the bonds between the partners in traditional marriages?

We are already legally fair to others who "mate" with one of their own sex. You can't legislate societal approval but you can legislate legal rights. Gays have legal protection - rights. Changing the name of their relationship or partern of living together doesn't alter the fact that such sexual partnerships are different from marriage as defined by custom and our Western heritage.

Since the earliest religious records are very clear about marriage being the model for Adam and Eve, even a covenant relation between them and God, who are we mere mortals to change the God-given pattern of marriage and parenting?

Gender is a wonderful human factor, with special physical and emotional characteristics. Genesis again is the reference for these differences being divinely created. I love that woman was the last of all the incredible creations. Nothing like saving the best for last!

We live in an age of tolerance but we don't need to be foolish and confuse the obvious in the misguided effort to be politically correct.

It takes quite a man to shoulder the responsibilities of marriage and fatherhood. But those real men will be loved by their spouses and offspring.

If we throw God out of the equation,
then people make up their own rules and wonder at the confusion of present day media and church leadership.

If there is no standard, no guideline, no "tradition," then what is left but each generation grasping to re establish norms.

If, on the other hand, we accept our Judeo-Christian as our shared heritage from which spring our laws and mores, then we have an established model for families: marriage between a man and a woman and the protection and nuturing of children that issue from their sexual union.

We call this unit the basis of society: family, starting with a legal marriage between a male and a female.

Why are we trying to reinvent the wheel (marriage)? What is gained by weakening the bonds between the partners in traditional marriages?

We are already legally fair to others who "mate" with one of their own sex. You can't legislate societal approval but you can legislate legal rights. Gays have legal protection - rights. Changing the name of their relationship or partern of living together doesn't alter the fact that such sexual partnerships are different from marriage as defined by custom and our Western heritage.

Since the earliest religious records are very clear about marriage being the model for Adam and Eve, even a covenant relation between them and God, who are we mere mortals to change the God-given pattern of marriage and parenting?

Gender is a wonderful human factor, with special physical and emotional characteristics. Genesis again is the reference for these differences being divinely created. I love that woman was the last of all the incredible creations. Nothing like saving the best for last!

We live in an age of tolerance but we don't need to be foolish and confuse the obvious in the misguided effort to be politically correct.

It takes quite a man to shoulder the responsibilities of marriage and fatherhood. But those real men will be loved by their spouses and offspring.

Lionheart
I hope you are a black man like i am for if not you dont know anything about what brought the black family down. If you are honest about it we Black people know what happened, The Democratic Party started offering us Free things for nothing if we voted for them. HUM

Work all day for chicken scratch or sit at home drawing freebees. Wasnt to hard to choose, I recall my papa telling me that the problem today is that their is no Fathering going on amongst balck men and their children. The biggest problem tho was WELFARE it made us do things we never had done before. Thats what they call daddie babies these days. When I was growing up my Father told me to be Proud to be a black man and remembber that there is nothing that a black man cant do. Today their is no fathers around to tell their children. Black men today are taught that there is nothing that a black man needs to do but hold out his hand for freebees. So drugs was a deterent but not the reason this happened among black families.



Free this free that heck what would you do?


More Information...
Castillo reported what he found out to Bush I who only laughed and walked away. This is the largest government cover-up that has occurred. Read the excerpts below:

Celerino Castillo III was a top DEA agent in El Salvador who encountered obstructions in the mid-1980s when his undercover work turned up links between the contra-supply operation and cocaine trafficking.

"They were running narcotics and weapons out of Ilopango to support the contras," Castillo said in an interview. "We're talking about very large quantities of cocaine and millions of dollars. … There's no doubt about it; we saw the cocaine and the boxes full of money."

Castillo said the operation was run out of "Hangars 4 and 5 controlled by North and the CIA with [former CIA officer] Felix Rodriguez. The cocaine was transshipped from Costa Rica through El Salvador and into the United States."

The DEA agent detailed how known traffickers with multiple DEA files used the two hangars and how they had obtained U.S. visas with the help of the U.S. government.

Castillo said his reports were very thorough and included "not only the names of traffickers, but their destinations, flight paths, tail numbers and the date and time of each flight." According to Castillo, the drug planes flown by contra pilots came from Costa Rica and sometimes the drugs came on military aircraft from Panama.

Steven in IL
>>If you think that "marriage" is something that
you must work against, well, then work to call
it something else.

In CA it already is, Domestic Partnerships, and The California Family Code says, “domestic partners shall have all the rights, protections and benefits” of married spouses. http://protectmarriage.com/files/myths.pdf

I myself have no problem with that. I do object to 5 activist judges overturning Prop 22

Bob in CA

Steve.. Read on
Danilo Blandon was a front man for the CIA and the contact for South Central's Ricky Ross in LA. What major drug dealer do you know only received a 24-month sentence? NONE!!! Nor did he serve the full sentence. Why was he offered a $42,000 paid position following his short sentence? Read the below excerpts:

Blandón was arrested on drug charges in 1986 by the FBI. In May 1992, Blandón was convicted in US District Court (San Diego) on the federal charge of "conspiracy to possess cocaine with intent to distribute." He was sentenced to 24 months in federal prison, but was released due to time served. Blandón was a major drug trafficker, famously supplying Ricky Ross with millions of dollars worth of cocaine on a daily basis.

Following his imprisonment, Blandón was hired by the Drug Enforcement Agency and salaried at $42,000. Blandon was not a US Citizen/National, and is the only known foreigner to not be deported following conviction on drug trafficking charges in US History. The INS granted Blandón a green card, despite the criminal convictions, to allow him to work for the DEA. The DEA claims that Blandón is no longer on their payroll, and his whereabouts are unknown

Steve.. Read the below excerpts
Former CIA agent David MacMichael explained the inherent relationship between CIA activity in Latin America and drug trafficking: "Once you set up a covert operation to supply arms and money, it's very difficult to separate it from the kind of people who are involved in other forms of trade, and especially drugs. There is a limited number of planes, pilots and landing strips. By developing a system for supply of the Contras, the US built a road for drug supply into the US."[5]

[edit] FBI probe

In April 1986, Associated Press reported on an FBI probe into Contra cocaine trafficking. According to the report, "Twelve American, Nicaraguan and Cuban-American rebel backers interviewed by The Associated Press said they had been questioned over the past several months [about contra cocaine trafficking] by the FBI. The interviews, some covering several days, were conducted in Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Colorado and California, the Contra backers said." Several of the backers told AP of firsthand knowledge of cocaine trafficking.[6]

[edit] Reagan Administration admits Contra-cocaine connections


"On April 17, 1986, the Reagan Administration released a three page report acknowledging that there were some Contra-cocaine connections in 1984 and 1985, arguing that these connections occurred at a time when the rebels were "particularly hard pressed for financial support" because U.S. aid had been cut off. The report admitted that "We have evidence of a limited number of incidents in which known drug traffickers have tried to establish connections with Nicaraguan resistance groups." The report tried to downplay the drug activity, claiming that it took place "without the authorization of resistance leaders."[7]"

LionHeart
Where is your proof the GOP was responsible for your aforementioned cocaine charges? Are you also of the belief the evil white man also invented AIDS to kill the black man? You cannot throw a charge so ridiculous out there and not be challenged on it. Provide the proof or shutup.

James...
"This is no more a threat to the black family than Mrs. Butterworth."

Good post and you are absolutely correct. Bishop Jackson usually produces thought provoking articles but his disdain for Bond and the NAACP (which is no longer as impressive as in its heyday) is apparent causing him to use gay marriage as a hindrance to successful African American marriages which is not the case at all.

Renny said...
"..but had not yet been seduced by the left's drug culture and sexual *revolution,* which in the last 40 years has meant cocaine/crack epidemics throughout black communites in the 70s and 80s, now 70% illegitiancy, with 43% of young black women predicting they will never marry. I always say the libs. two most successful programs have been drugs and sex."

One problem, Renny. The GOP (Reagan, Bush I, & North) and CIA were responsible for the sudden influx of a virtually unlimited supply of cocaine (crack)during the early 80's that severely devastated African American communities across the nation for the explicit purpose of purchasing weapons for the Contras. The unraveling of the African American family began with the advent of this killer drug and its lasting effects are still prevalent although its popularity has waned.

jack
i'm pretty sure in that case men wanted to marry women and women wanted to marry men. that was based on race not biology. there is no discemation if a black man has the same rights as a white man. and if a black woman has the same rights as a white woman. a white gay man has the same rights as a black straight man to marry a woman not a man.

Black family.....
is an oxymoron thanks to LBJ and his fellow liberals

(oops) re the NAACP
The NAACP spent decades fighting the good fight against REAL discrimination, persecution, & oppression. That's how it attained the cred it has, unlike, say, NOW or AARP.

However, it remains a fact that NAACP was founded by a Marxist (Dr. W.E.B. DuBois) aided by Socialists over a decade before the USSR was created. The Marxist agenda was & is to destroy American society in order to make way for Marxism. That is why some 30-40 yrs after its ostensible purpose has been basically achieved, NAACP now champions a far-left agenda as somehow being the salvation of Americans of African heritage.

Unfortunately like all such orgs the NAACP is run from top-down. The real power lies w/ little-known officials such as (IIRC) the "field operations supervisor" who can remove local chapter officers at will, despite the local members' irrelevant votes. That may help explain why the local chap in FL is pushing this issue. I know the chapter officers in Beaufort, SC, were threatened w/ dismissal if they didn't toe the national line on the Confederate flag boycott that was hurting them.

Even if a moderate NAACP president were elected (more in line w/ say the Congress of Racial Equality) the socialists could probably destroy him/her. It may be that Americans of African heritage who are opposed to leftist socialism can only walk out of the NAACP so it can't use their membership cards as a bogus mandate.

NAACP = Socialist Front
HEL-LO!? I thought Mack's great strength was that he was so "electable"?!? I thought in spite of his treachery toward conservatives, he would appeal so much to so many "moderates," mainly by NOT arguing with his opponent or pointing out his opponent's liabilities (a.k.a. no "negative campaigning") he's in a corner of his own painting.

Instead we're getting a combination of 1996 Bob Dole & the 1960 version of Richard Nixon v. JFK, + a legislative record that positively dismays conservatives even more than Dole's record on taxes.

Where exactly are these "moderates" to whom those like Mack were supposedly pandering?! Why is it all thru the Congressional sessions & the primaries these "moderates" have to be appealed to, at the expense of blowing off conservatives, when they seem to just vanish like smoke in the general election? Why does Mack's general-election support seem to consist solely of those who are scared spitless, for good reason, of Obama?

If Mack does win, it will be painted as a mandate for instant citizenship for illegal aliens, Dem-approved judges, restrictions on (conservative) free election speech, & energy rationing. That's why he has no real base. He's nutty enough to do this stuff, while Obama even w/ a Dem Congress might be worried about future viability.

The only thing Mack would TRULY have a mandate for, is to NOT BE OBAMA.

Apparently, some Dems got the GOP candidate they wanted so Obama could beat him. Other Dems got the GOP candidate w/ the policies they want anyway.

What we really need him to do is win, then resign & get out of the way on Inauguration day so Sarah Palin can do the job.

TX Gal,
" I thought marriage was about marrying someone that you love and want to spend your life with."

No, marriage is not about adults in love. Marriage is about forming a stable family within which the next generation can be raised and through which both the moral principles that form the basic of a successful society AND the wealth of the current generation can be transmitted to said next generation.

For most of human history love was something that developed after the marriage was established for more practical reasons.

Marriage is far more than a mere storm of emotion and the commonness of your misunderstanding is the key reason that marriage and the family are facing today's destructive challenges.

point of history
Back in the Jim Crow era, concerns over black sexuality was at the foundation of segregation. I found some historical data that the states of LA, MS and AL tried to ban blacks from marrying based on if there was a history of children or cohabitation out of wedlock. These were obtainable records, and were used in state courts and legislatures as 'proof', that blacks were sexually aggressive, immoral and irresponsible and therefore deserving of segregation and non marriage.

In other words, discrimination was used as moral reform among blacks.
Were that same public opinion to hold now, on black sexuality, single parenthood and HIV status, marriage for blacks would be illegal in three states, perhaps more and Jim Crow would still be in effect.
Certainly the stats haven't improved for marriage rates among blacks.

THINK people!

What folks were willing to do to another human being and disguising it as social and moral good, this is more of the same.
Again, caution in REPEATING what's ALWAYS been bad.
Exclusion based on animus and ONLY that.

Alex 1
Are you kidding?
No those NON CONSENTUAL issues are precisely NOT what legal marriage for gay couples means.
CU's and DP's are unequal, unenforceable and mostly rendered meaningless.
YOU don't even know what the limits of the aforementioned are.
Marriage is marriage WHEREVER you are. YOU know what marriage is, although, the way some people here tell it, they are clueless as to what marriage is for.

Marriage will and always require consent. All the other imaginary combinations people have come up with CANNOT consent.
THAT is why they will never be legal.

Marriage requires ONE person of primary kinship and custody to reduce confusion of responsibility.
Marriage will take the confusion out of everything that cu's and dp's have always been.

THAT is why it has to be marriage or nothing. Because the rest, might as well be.

why...
I've noticed that TH has said NOTHING about the child abandonment situation in Nebraska since they established a 'safe haven' law. Since they didn't specify that it's infants they meant, children are being dropped off who are teens.

TH has also punted the revelation involving Tony Alamo's church advocating sex with little girls.
ANY articles on gay people brings out the preaching and mention of pedophiles and NAMBLA.
But sex crimes involve heterosexual men to epidemic proportions, some of it under the banner of Heaven. Some of us thinking folks in law enforcement are NOT impressed by a prejudiced public that assumes one thing wrongly and ignores MUCH more.
Nothing has been said about Atlanta as a sex tourism destination and how many GIRLS are in sex slavery there and globally.
Only gay people are seen as sex obssessed. At least to judge by typical threads in TH.
I know I've posted a lot here. I don't have a lot of time from day to day.
Violent crime in my city keeps me busy, sadly.
Too bad Jackson won't talk about THAT as a factor destructive to families and marriage.

why you lose in court
And then count on the court of public opinion instead.
FACT: The laws cannot discriminate against marriage for a citizen based on the ability or intent to have children.

FACT: Gender is not immutable. Characteristics of gender change from individual to individual, and the organs that define IN PART one's gender can be altered or destroyed or rendered dysfunctional through age or disease or birth factor.

The courts ruled that gender, orientation and procreation discrimination was unfair to impose on gay people since such factors do not compromise function as free citizens equal to their hetero counterparts.
Of course, fear and intimidation work MUCH better to sway the public where it doesn't and shouldn't work on justices.

In the court of public opinion gay people may lose, but in the end...what great good does and has that really served?

answer me this people
WHAT are gay couples with children supposed to do to assure their children's security and support without marriage?

Why place THEM at risk with these amendments?
Aren't children just children in need of married parents.
Why take your animus towards their parents out on them?

Answer THAT, if it's children that matter?

As I said, if life serving criminals can marry, since people of disparate physical compatability and backgrounds can marry, then WHAT is your problem with fully functioning and competent gay parents doing the RIGHT thing many straight couples won't do?

sdeakins
Must you be so lame in your bumper sticker statement?
There is no more sin in homosexuality than heterosexuality. I guess scientific facts about sexual orientation will burn your brain?
When YOU'RE emotionally and physically separated from YOUR orientation, then you can wave the sin flag, otherwise making a religious argument with a legal one shows you don't understand the subject in the first place.

You ARE your sexual orientation, and there is NOTHING about it that's about virtue or character.
Homosexuality is the same as your orientation, only inversely different, but don't make it out to be a BAD thing.
THAT is what people have to get past. The legacy of hating gay people is far and wide, and your denial is patently a debate chiller.
There really shouldn't be any debate.
Considering the long, cruel and dishonest brutality of religious persecution of SPECIFIC people. Such as Jews, blacks, women and atheists.
I would expect you'd be CAUTIOUS about continuing such a legacy when nothing GOOD has come of it.
Why DON'T you question the legacy, instead of the legitimacy of homosexuality? Not all cultures have rejected gay or transgendered people.

It's just the imposition of religious bigotry on people who are different that require vigilant study of it's effect.
Whether for good or not. And this is an example of no good whatsoever.

Steven, be for real
1. The right to marry ISN'T child centered. It's ADULT centered, they are the FIRST people IN the marriage. Children are not an option, nor required to be able to marry. And men and women don't always produce and child, nor want to. So it's illegal to discriminate on THAT basis.

2. Statistics ALSO support that gay couples raising children, have comparable success in child raising.

One is not at the detriment of the other. Good parents are good parents, sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. And the studies said that it's TWO parents that make the best situation, not just heterosexual parents. Wherever you got your information, they LEFT OUT a lot of facts.

Good parents don't live in a bubble, gay couples can have the INFLUENCE of both genders in their child's life, without the parents being opposite genders anyway.
Similar to when white parents adopt children of color. There will be people of color to influence in cultural deficit, what the parents lack.
WHAT does gender mean? What makes a man and a woman. In nature, gender IS fluid. So legislating gender won't do anything when it comes to the qualities gender brings into a marriage.

Defining marriage ONLY between a man and a woman in an amendment is REDUNDANT at best, cruel and impractical at worst.

marriage is legal
Marriage is legal in CA. It's had no negative affect on marriage and the qualities that marriage can bring to a couple or families.

Blaming gay people for the stress that marriage is under IS unproductive.
Defining marriage as by one man and woman won't change. Marriage is defined by the VOWS and the legal responsibilities and benefits, not just the couple who are married.

Criminals incarcerated for life have the option, however marginally they can attend fully to a marriage.
It's about the affirming qualities of marriage.
Black families were first attacked through NON MARRIAGE that made them vulnerable to lose their spouses and children during slavery.
When that didn't work, it was attacked economically by compromising the man/breadwinner. When that wasn't enough, introduction of welfare and the drug culture into a weak immunity from economic strain further eroded an important factor in the cohesion of black families.

The same attack is on gay couples and THEIR children. Non marriage places them at similar risk.

It's no mystery WHY. The bigger mystery is why CONTINUE, when such discrimination and attack on people who are DIFFERENT, not a detriment, has no good results to point to to justify it.

matthew of CA,
What people are you referring to that HATE gays? Don't HATE the sinner just the sin, my friend.

mother of 4 and others
You're not speaking factually, not even legally factual when it comes to the intents and purposes of marriage.
This isn't about marrying 'anyone' but SOMEONE.
The specific nature of gay people has no background to RATIONALLY exclude from marriage.
And as heterosexuals have the right to marry someone of their SAME SEXUAL ORIENTATION, that is what would make the equality of marriage meaningful.

Positing ALL your posts from the strictly heterosexual point of view as if there isn't any SHARED value or equal value is what takes your argument from legal to bigoted.

The assumption that a marriage between two gay people will be less in quality or that the love or commitment is less than, so therefore lessens marriage itself, IS prejudiced and bigoted, most precisely why an amendment to a state Constitution based on such animus is wrong. And why justices cannot allow such tyranny to compromise the perpetual minority that gay people represent.

Jackson is desparately baiting you, and you fall for it EVERY TIME.
When will you get it that the connection between the failure of the black family, and sometimes the failure of gay people is also a part of the calculus and legacy of discrimination?


This isn't about marriage
People HATE gays. It's that simple.

the black family
Rev. Jackson gets illogical whenever he talks about gay marriage. This is no more a threat to the black family than Mrs. Butterworth. Marriage rates are not declining because homosexuals want to marry. The high divorce rate is not due to Rosie or Ellen "jumping the broom." The black community should be alarmed by the failure of marriage and the fact that the marriage rate among blacks is falling. My own marriage failed several years ago. However, I can't blame my problems with my ex-wife on homosexuals' desire to marry. As a black man, I am troubled by the hypocritcal positions taken by some in the black clergy toward homosexuals. After all, they sing in our choirs, serve on our boards and sit in the pulpits of numerous black churches. Yet, I've never seen a purge of homosexuals by the religious community. Only gay marriage seems to cause their eyes to roll back into their heads and their mouths to foam. It's the old don't ask, don't tell policy.
Finally, society has never really valued marriage. Why we make it so easy to do is one indicator. All you need is a few bucks, a blood test and be above a certain age and you're approved. It ranks right up there with getting a creditcard before the meltdown.

TX Gal
"That doesn't mean letting three or four people marry each other, or some guy marry his dog, or a pedophile marry some 12 year old that he's in love with. It's two consenting adults."

Unfortunately, that is nearly always what it ends up meaning. It is naive to think otherwise. Several years ago, the gay lobby said that all they needed was civil unions. Hey, just some benefits. That's all. After all, they didn't really need gay marriage, did they? Or did they? Now all they need is to redefine marriage. After all, what is the big deal about radically redefining an institution that predates the Constitution by thousands of years? That's all. Oh, and by the way, you are a closed-minded bigot, homophobe Nazi if you disagree with this position.

The Marriage Amendment is...
...on the ballot here in Arizona and next door in California. Many Mormons like me are proud to join with good people like you in helping to defeat efforts to redefine marriage. May the Lord bless us in our efforts.

Equality?
For those arguing that there is equality -- that any man can marry a woman, and vice versa, etc. -- I thought marriage was about marrying someone that you love and want to spend your life with.

I can't say that I understand how someone can be attracted to a person of the same sex, it kind of has that "yeech" factor for me too. But I truly believe that two people of the same sex can be in love just as a man and woman can be in love. I don't feel threatened by letting two consenting adults who are in love get married.

That doesn't mean letting three or four people marry each other, or some guy marry his dog, or a pedophile marry some 12 year old that he's in love with. It's two consenting adults.

And back on topic -- gay marriage has no affect on the problems with marriage in the black community.

Semperfi/par,
You are mistaken.

Marriage as a state-sanctioned, state-promoted contract is about the continued survival, well-being, and prosperity of society.

Any society that devalues marriage and fails to support and uphold the traditional family begins to die.

Marriage is blessed by both God and Caesar because the family is the foundation stone upon which civilization itself is built.

this is what the NAACP wants
The NAACP will lose its power and influence with more productive and successful blacks. So, it is good for the NAACP for blacks to come from broken families and in difficult positions. The NAACP gains power when blacks have no power. Without blacks needing "help" the NAACP will lose its purpose.

100 years ago, the founders of the NAACP would be disgusted with this current attitude. The incredible bars for success that blacks faced in America were a very good reason for this group.


Marriage
Marriage should only be in the church where it belongs. Marriage in the courts is only about material and money.

Gay "marriage"
Makes a mockery of marriage. It is calling black white or "a" "non a". Homosexual relationships are nothing more than a reflection of cultural decadence, redefining deviancy down and calling that which is abnormal, normal. Homosexuality is first and foremost a rejection of God and is a consequence of that great sin. It is one of the few in the bible referred to as "an abomination" and for good reason.

However, The black community has much bigger problems than gay marriage. It is a tolerance of all sorts of evil, most specifically fornication.

A liberal friend of mine said years ago, "the black male is the problem". He said it not in a racist way, but observing the black males' abdication of responsibility in the community.

And how sad that is.

If conservatives and whites were truly racist, e would be on the Obama bandwagon. Giving the educarats what they want, not cultivating and encouraging personal accountability, telling blacks the system is against them - all this does is perpetuate and worsen the black community - or what's left of it.

And the white community is on the same path, only a bit further behind.

Tom
Tom, there is a fly in your ointment, as there is in Mother of 4's. There is something that will damage heterosexual marraige, but it isn't gay marriage. What will harm marriage is the creation of a marriage lite status of some sort.

This is the experience of the EUropean nations that created domestic partnership arrangments. The resutl was more straight couples setting up the domestic partnership arrangement and NOT getting married.

The best solution is to allow gay marriage but strengthen the institution and its benefits. Make it harder to get married and harder to get divorced. Eliminate things like "domestic partnership benefits." If you want benefits, get married.

SO, if allowign gay marraige would actually strenghten the institution of marriage, would you be for gay marriage?

Marriage
Seeing how the ceremony of Marriage is of a religious nature and our laws are based on Judeo/Christian principles, and the Bible SPECIFICALLY rejects homosexual relationships, isn't changing the definition of marriage in effect defying the very priniples it's based on? I have no problem with same sex unions that would grant the same rights as traditional marriage. It isn't my place to judge homosexuals but I DO have a problem redefining what the term "marriage" really is. I can only speak for myself but I would wager most Americans feel the same way.

The left gave up the black family
when in 1960s black families had 90% marriage and legitimacy but had not yet been seduced by the left's drug culture and sexual *revolution,* which in the last 40 years has meant cocaine/crack epidemics throughout black communites in the 70s and 80s, now 70% illegitiancy, with 43% of young black women predicting they will never marry.

I always say the libs. two most successful programs have been drugs and sex. Now 7th grade girls can be jeered and blackmailed into making home pornos with their erstwhile high school boy friends while *femninists* brag that oral sex is replacing intercourse.

Since oral cancer due to HPV is now surpassing cancers caused by tobacco products, I'm sure the feminists are proud they've turned little 13 year olds into porn queens and cancer victims all at the same time

For Walter @ 15:32
NAACP is much analogous to the UN--useless from the start (except for enriching its "leadership"). Contrary to your suggestion to replace Bond, the org really needs to shut down.

Title somewhat inaccurate
NAACP never actually represented the Black family in the first place, only the "leaders" of the organisation--very difficult for any organisation to abandon what it never represented at anytime.

NAACP
The NAACP was once a great civil rights organization. Today it is an extension of the liberal controlled Dem party under Julian Bond.

Married women are less likely to vote for liberals. Supporting marriage helps blacks, whites, and purple people and especially their children. It does not help liberals. The NAACP is not representing black values or white values or purple values or American values.

Julian Bond is representing liberals and what is good for liberals even if it hurts those he is supposed to champion and protect.

Gov. Sarah Palin is being attacked by horrid feminists for supporting women and their families. Harry Jackson will be attacked by fear mongers for supporting all races.

The NAACP has been replacing its presidents with regularity. Instead it should replace chairman Bond.

Mother of 4
Interesting that you didn't deal with any of what I wrote.

Let me repeat. There is no prospect of "overturning" marriage. Marraige laws do differ from state to state and so NOT everyone has the same rights. ANd this is NOT a whim.

If you want to address those points this time around, feel free.

But, in response to what you DID write...

you say: "If anyone and everyone could marry anyone and everyone regardless of age, sex, relatedness, prior marriage, or consent then no one would be married at all."

I am sorry, but this simply makes no sense at all. I can't even respond because its completely inane.

However you did write: "Equality means that the same rules apply to everyone"

I am glad you feel this way. It means, does it not, that if gay marraige is legal then you too have the right to marry the consenting woman of your choice. And everyone is equal.


deaconn
The argument you present was one of the arguments used in the case of loving v Virginia, to wit: since black americans couldn't marry white americans and white americans couldn't marry black americans, there was no discrimination.

The SCOTUS ruled that the argument was invalid.

Jack,
Homosexual perverts *have* equal rights. They choose not to exercise the right to marry under the true definition of marriage.

If anyone and everyone could marry anyone and everyone regardless of age, sex, relatedness, prior marriage, or consent then no one would be married at all.

Equality means that the same rules apply to everyone. It does not mean that Jack can marry Jim because they like to go to bed together, Bob can't marry Rick because they're normal and just want the monetary benefits so they can save a little dough while Mark can marry both Bill and Elaine because he likes to sleep with both of them. That isn't equal because it means different rules for different people.

Marriage is one man plus one woman, not any random assortment of any number of people who happen to enjoy chasing each other around the bed.

Homosexual perverts do not want equal rights, they want special privileges.

rights
As Medved has said every man has the same right to marry a woman. And every woman has the same right to marry a man. there is no discrimination with the defense of marriage act. everybody has the exact same rights.

Steven,
"In marriage, there are rights of insurance and social security and rights to living premises, rights of having final say on items on which the partner has lost capacity to make his/her own decisions, rights to choose burial spots, and who will be buried next door. All these things that exist for a marriage partner but don't exist for the gay couple."

Anyone who wants those things can have them. They simply need to choose a marriage partner who meets the criteria above.

My mother-in-law and her oldest daughter run a household together. They don't get those benefits you mention.

When my sister first left home she shared an apartment with 4 of her friends. That household didn't get those benefits either.

Only marriage is privileged by society -- for the very good reason that only marriage creates the ideal situation for perpetuating a society. That is, two biological parents raising their own children.

There is no reason for a society to privilege any of the biological dead ends because elderly mother-daughter pairs, young friends rooming together, or perverts pairing off are irrelevant to the continuation of civilization and single-parent and shacked-up households are actively detrimental to society -- consuming the vast majority of social services.

Homosexual perverts can live with whomever they choose. They can do what they like with consenting adults in their own bedrooms. They can will their property to whomever they choose. They can freely name beneficiaries to insurance policies and will face no obstacles in the way of granting a medical power of attorney to the person of their choice.

But if they want to get married they MUST, just like anyone else, choose a consenting, unrelated adult of the opposite sex who is not already married to anyone else.

And the Unions...

Have Abandoned the American Worker.

Mother of 4
There's a lot there, but to save time, I will focus only on part of what you write:

"The rules are the same for everyone..."

This is not correct The rules are different in any number of places in terms of age and degree of relation. They are also different in regard to same sex marraige in three states. Your claim is simply wrong.

You also write: "Yet there are some people out there who think they're so special that they deserve to have an institution firmly established since the dawn of man overturned and redefined to suit their whim."

This is also incorrect. While it is true people seek to change the popular definition, there is no intent or possibility that marriage be "overturned." I will make you the same deal I make everyone. I will give you a dollar for every couple that ends a happy marriage becuase gays can marry, if you will give me one penny for every coupel that stays together even after gay marriage is allowed. You get 100 to 1 odds on somethign you absolutely believe will happen. What could be better?

And finally, you say that this is being done on a "whim." I beg to differ. Equal rights are
important to some people, even if they aren't to you. Isn't it the case that you are the one basing your beliefs on a simple personal preference?

Thanks For the Article
Rev. Jackson, I always look forward to your articles, a voice of reason in these criticle times. The battle against traditional marriage is strong, but I had thought the black community was firmly against same sex marriage and the homosexual activity to desensitize our nation against this sin. So I am sorry to hear of this move by the NAACP. The spiritual battle rages. My prayers are with you and the work you are doing. We have to storm heaven with prayer for America in these next 21 days and beyond. We have to turn back to God.

Civil Rights Photo Ops...
The NAACP has long lost any real influence in the Black Community...It's membership is shrinking and it's mission is out of step with the issues of today....Harry Jackson writes as if the NAACP has any clout beyond it's national and regional meetings which are political photo-ops...The social/economic agenda needs to progress beyond the civil rights era. Harry Jackson's columns should also take this approach.

unclear
It is not clear to me when I read something like this whether Jackson believes what he says. Obviously he believes that the NAACP should be opposed to same-sex marriage. I don't doubt him at that level.

But is it really not possible to see, as Jackson claims he doesn't, why people interested in protecting heterosexual marraige would see the attention that Jackson places on stopping other types of marriage to be misguided and counterproductive?

Does Jackson really see a conspiracy in Connecticutt making its ruling now instead of after the election (in which case the conspiracy would be their attempt to hide their decision)?

The case that same-sex marriage is a threat to heterosexual marriage is a tough one. There are not a lot of people getting divorced because although straight they think that a same-sex marriage would be better. The fact that Jackson claims to not even understand how someone could hold the opposing view suggests some problem with his powers of reasoning.

One Man + One Woman or Barbarism,
The only historical exceptions to the rule that a marriage consists only and exclusively of one man plus one women are in barbaric, tribal societies who practice polygamy. Societies where women are their father's, brother's, or husband's property rather than citizens in their own right.

Each single, adult citizen in the US today has the exact same right to marry as any other single, adult citizen in the US. Each single adult who wishes to marry must marry a consenting adult of the opposite sex who is not already married to someone else.

Each individual has personal condition about who he/she would like to marry. However, those personal conditions may not override the conditions that define eligibility for marriage.

You have no right to marry the person of his/her choice if you are already married to someone else.

You have no right to marry the person of your choice if he/she does not consent.

You have no right to marry the person of your choice if he/she is not yet an adult.

You have no right to marry the person of your choice if he/she is of the same sex.

You have no right to marry the person of your choice if he/she is already married to someone else.

The rules are the same for everyone Yet there are some people out there who think they're so special that they deserve to have an institution firmly established since the dawn of man overturned and redefined to suit their whim. Its high time for them to get over themselves and cope with reality.

Define what you really need.
You really need men back in the home. That is
an ongoing disaster in the black world.
Everyone knows that.

However, your enemy is not gay marriage. I do
not know how you get from one point to the next
with that one. If you think that it is immoral, then just say so. Having gay marriage does not keep black men from acting as husbands, fathers, providers.

If you think that "marriage" is something that
you must work against, well, then work to call
it something else. Call it bonding contracts
or something of that nature, but a person has
the right to choose, I would think, under
equality in the Constitution, that a person
may choose a form of togetherness that allows
the partner to have similar privileges and
responsibilities together that spouses have.

In marriage, there are rights of insurance and
social security and rights to living premises,
rights of having final say on items on which
the partner has lost capacity to make his/her
own decisions, rights to choose burial spots,
and who will be buried next door. All these
things that exist for a marriage partner
but don't exist for the gay couple.

If you can prove that it will interfere with
ongoing marriages, you may have an argument.
But it doesn't. If you want to make provisions
that gay couples can't adopt a non-biological
child, you can go for that. I am not sure that
you would win, but I believe that it should.

The thing is that gay marriages or something like it is going to take place. If you want
any restrictions whatsoever, they are going to
have to be child centered. It still takes
two sexes to produce a child, and it is my
assumption that happens for a good reason.
Statistics also support the idea that a child
needs the influence of both sexes to thrive.

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