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Monday, May 26, 2008
Harry R. Jackson, Jr. :: Townhall.com Columnist
How To Lose An Election
by Harry R. Jackson, Jr.
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Last week John McCain denounced the work and ministry of two very popular pastors, John Hagee and Rod Parsley. This move may cost him the mainstream evangelical vote. At the very least it will make the Senator suspect to other pastors and millions of unconvinced believers. If the loyal supporters of this spiritual dynamic duo don’t show up at the polls, it alone will make the White House unattainable for the 71-year-old. In other words, the consequences of these rash decisions could be paid at the ballot box this November.

Need proof? Try these statistics on for size.

John Hagee’s last book topped the million unit sales mark (not bad for the San Antonio, Texas "phenom”). Parsley speaks to millions all over the globe through daily television and influences a politically active core group numbering in the hundreds of thousands thorough his Center for Moral Clarity. One could argue that their influence upon the religious right is topped only by James Dobson, Tony Perkins, and Don Wildmon. In addition, neither of these fellows is a “Jeremiah Wright” in terms of influence. They have 10 times the outreach muscle of the Chicago preacher.

While evangelical voters are unlikely to move toward Obama, they may soon decide to sit this national election out. Candidates like McCain who want to please everybody, often over react to polls and pundits. People pleasers or political panderers often seem to be wishy-washy and mercurial. Without a clear set of guiding principles, political opportunists often raise more questions than they answer. They destroy the life and vitality of their own campaigns. I hope I am painting McCain with the wrong brush. He’s the only hope that social conservatives have, but we don’t know if we can trust him.

Although McCain is a seasoned politician, a war hero and a life long public servant, he has committed three unforgettable sins. The sins are:

1.Running from the principles that originally got you elected

2. Siding with your enemies

3. Alienating your base

How has he run from the principles that got him elected Senator?

First of all, he seems to have abandoned family values and social conservative principles. Although he has been pro-life for 25 years, he has muddied the waters by supporting embryonic stem cell research. His stance on immigration has also gotten him into trouble because he forgot his supporters’ concern for nation security and the rule of law. In addition, last week he missed an opportunity to cry out against the outrageous California Supreme Court ruling essentially legalizing gay marriage.

How has he sided with his enemies?

McCain created a compromise group, which thwarted the 2005 GOP campaign for conservative judges. Next, he criticized Samuel Alito as too "conservative." Third, he championed the case for total amnesty for 20 million illegal immigrants. Fourth, he currently opposes drilling in ANWAR (Arctic National Wildlife Refuge). This region holds the largest undiscovered oil reserve in North America. Some believe that recoverable oil would be in the multiple billion barrels not to mention trillions of cubic feet of natural gas. (These numbers are Forbes magazine estimates). Finally, he calls drug companies “crooks” – violating support of business and free enterprise.

How has he alienated his base?

Many folks believe that he has jeopardized free citizen speech (in favor of the media) with the McCain-Feingold Law. Again and again, McCain-Feingold is brought up as an ancient wound that has never been healed. In addition, the current conservative “Bible Gate” promises to fragment the conservative movement if McCain does not listen to someone who understands the evangelical Christian movement.

Unlike Obama’s problem pastor of a few weeks ago, McCain really did not need to explain his pastoral relationships any more than Obama needed to explain his relationship with Minister Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam.

How can McCain avoid disaster?

He needs to decide to strategically put together a coalition of supporters, which includes both fiscal and social conservatives. The easiest way to reach evangelicals would be to pick a running mate that understands evangelicals. He cannot afford to step on the faith community’s toes or overlook evangelical concerns again. The three best choices are Sam Brownback, Mike Huckabee, or Bobby Jindal. Any of these men could offer a shot of enthusiasm and a secondary focus for the McCain campaign. Brownback is a triple threat to the Democrats as he can draw fiscal conservatives, evangelicals, and Roman Catholics. Mike Huckabee would also truly motivate evangelicals and bring Obama-like excitement to the southern states. Bobby Jindal could reach both fiscal conservatives and a large segment of the evangelical community.

Finally, the Senator needs to set up a national speech in which he, like Mitt Romney and Barack Obama, explains to the nation what makes him tick spiritually. He needs to break his silence about faith and share his testimony about Vietnam, his faith in Christ, and why he feels so awkward talking about religion. Surely, if Hillary Clinton can talk about the power of the Holy Spirit and grace in a national debate, McCain can press through his shyness.

Only a radical course correction can save McCain’s campaign! Can somebody send McCain a telegram or a smoke signal? It seems that e-mails and telephone calls are not getting through.

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Bishop Harry Jackson is chairman of the High Impact Leadership Coalition and senior pastor of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, MD, and co-authored, Personal Faith, Public Policy [FrontLine; March 2008] with Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.

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We have a choice
The Constitution Party has a great team that will try to steer this country back to using, not abusing the Constitution of the United States. Chuck Baldwin and Darrell Cross are the answer to the American who cannot stomach the three main runners.
Neither of the three shamedidates care one rip about the rights of the American Citizens Its all about a strong dictatorial Federal Government which has delved into our lives so much that we are not much more than the European surfs of yesteryear.
We are so much involved in foreign affairs that we cannot take care of our own problems at home. We need to get rid of some cancers in our society: (1)get out of the U.N. and get the U.N. out of the U.S. (2) Disolve the Federal Reserve (3)Return to State Sovereignty (4)abolish the IRS.(5) Quit trying to nation build. Let them have a corrupt government if they haven't got guts enough to overthrow it. Thats what we did against a repressive king.
(6)Close the borders and deport all illegal aliens.
(7) and last but not least, go back to adhering to the document set up by our founding fathers to protect us from the yoke we now find ourselves in.

p.c....and politics
You and most of the ladies(even anne) are very informed...and as a rule gals don't like to get involved...but you gals that come on here are very informed and I admire that and thank you for the compliments! That is the first time I've been complimented since my 3rd grade teacher complimented me on being honest for telling her that she reminded me of my dog !
But if she thought I was such a good kid.....
how come she gave me 4 hours of homework??
Maybe John mc mexcico will appoint mitt Sec. of looks dept!?
elvis

barry - Defining political conservatism
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...is extremely difficult in America these days. Says barry (#110):

"I'm a rock-ribbed conservative and I agree with neither of those. I am for raising taxes to balance the budget and I am an atheist. There will be those who say that I'm not a conservative. I say, I am a conservative. What I'm not is a supply side fanatic and a religious crazy. I had Art Laffer as a professor and I still don't think suply side economics makes much sense. I also don't think we should keep snakes in church."


Much as I'd like to agree with that (though I'm not an atheist, I don't wany *ANYBODY'S* religious beliefs coloring government policy), I don't see where that sort of attitude is necessarily congruent with conservatism.

The advocacy for "raising taxes to balance the budget" seems to argue that the current size of the federal government (and anticipated growth therein) is appropriate, and I find that hard to reconcile with even the most limited type of fiscal conservatism, which argues for considerable "downsizing" in civil government's voracious bite upon the productive (i.e., private) sector of American society.

Could you please clarify?




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"America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damned well pleased."

-- P.J. O'Rourke

Thanks, elvis
No need to be embarrassed, everyone at TH seems to think I'm a guy with a name like PC. (Actually, it is nothing more than my maiden name initials, has absolutely nothing to do with political correctness.)

You are such a funny guy, I really enjoy your comments.

Carry on!

Intimidation, Ronald Reagan
great post #109, Don't Tread On Me.

The GOP has GOT to quit increasing the size of government. Reducing taxes is nice, but they've got to get the other side of the coin too.

While I mostly agree with McCain's earmark reform, that doesn't shrink the budget - it just changes who decides how the money is spent.


Finally - to those of you who've posted to the effect that a true conservative can't get elected nationally, I must remind you that Ronaldus Magnus was elected twice in landslides - 10% with 44 states, then 20% with 49 states.

I believe he did this by convincing people that they were conservative much like him.

He wasn't a perfect conservative, but he had the big things right.

Yes, I know he's dead... the point is that the GOP does not need to run left to get a president elected.

Leilainie
You said:
"Great Article
You said it so well,Harry. I have nothing to add but I am not going to waste a vote by writing in or voting Libertarian. That has been tried before."

Think about this: if everyone who says that were to actually vote Libertarian, it may not turn out to be a waste. What you say is a self-fulfilling prophecy, saying it can't be done before you even try. How many people do you know personally who have the same thought? Then multiply that number by millions.

We can realistically get a third choice in office if we don't sit around and say it's a wasted vote.

Come over to Norman's blog at http://blogatorium.blogtownhall.com/
where we sort and sift through the potential third choices. We can do it this year people!

Iam worn out...!
My son (30's) told me "gee, dad your right, the potential voters 18-25 years old are stupid!
At least the majority of them !"Then I told him
and "most of the ones that I have talked to are going to vote democrat...and they are not sure why!" And there are going to be millions of them!
Good ol' ignorant democracy! Like Venezuela!
Who is going to be VP ?? Iam tired of it all!
I favor Mitt but I don't want him on the ticket with Mc Cain...I guess Iam crazy??!
elvis

McCain
It seems that McCain has decided that the religious right isn't a monolithic bloc and that the number of people who will not vote for him because he isn't pandering to the religious right is insigniificant. Good for him.

The way we seem to be defining conservatism is to be against any tax increase and for evangellicalism.

I'm a rock-ribbed conservative and I agree with neither of those. I am for raising taxes to balance the budget and I am an atheist. There will be those who say that I'm not a conservative. I say, I am a conservative. What I'm not is a supply side fanatic and a religious crazy. I had Art Laffer as a professor and I still don't think suply side economics makes much sense. I also don't think we should keep snakes in church.

My bet is that if McCain were to come out and say that he would raise taxes to balance the budget and strengthen the dollar while at the same time working to reduce the influence of the religious right by, for example, killing intelligent design once and for all, he would win in a landslide.

The tax and religious conservatives would spew and spout, Ann Coulter would go even crazier than she is, Sean Hannity would fret and stew, but who cares? They listen to each other, but the rest of the nation doesn't care what they do or think.


Don't Submit to Intimidation
I am not trolling or flaming, but registering a heartfelt concern. I ask: who will give McCain this mandate he seeks?
Disaffected moderate Democrats dismayed by the Dem nominee, for one.
Apathetic elephant fetishists who automatically vote “R”.
Some who can't look past the "veteran" cachet (I do respect that, tho it’s IMO misguided)

And finally: conservatives who are scared spitless of the Dem nominee, probably Obama at this point. That was the motivator in this trap set for us: fear of the Dem.

Have we come down to this, that we feel compelled to support a totally unacceptable candidate out of fear of the Dem? You have been manipulated. You have been herded like sheep. You will assure the GOP hacks & elite who helped arrange this they can do Democrat not-so-Lite & pay no price. You will never again get anything else.

I honestly believe McCain is as dangerous, or more so, than any potential Democrat, partly for this very reason. His mission is to break the conservative movement, & to eliminate conservatism as a viable political force.

I dispute, BTW, the notions he is necessarily better on defense or antiterror. Why? His open-borders policy contradicts this. There is also substantial reason to believe he will not appoint good judges, either. His energy and immigration agenda are positively destructive.

It is tragic we have to 'send a message' instead of supporting a worthy big-party candidate who supports & champions our values, but someone else decided that issue. Besides, that’s how 3rd parties become 1st parties. The “wasting your vote” prophecy is self-fulfilling, & now’s the time to get REAL change.

Assuming you don't actually vote Dem, your choice is: don’t vote, vote 3rd party, or submit to the Mack Attack. DON’T not vote; it just makes you an unperson. What does that leave?

Show some courage, & escape from the 2-party box that’s trying to intimidate you.

A: Nominate McCain
Self-proclaimed conservatives continue to insist we 'have no choice' but to support McCain for POTUS. Often this is rationalized on the basis HilObama would be so much worse, & failure to vote for McCAin constitutes a vote for Obama/Hillary.

I agree that the prospect of Hillary or Obama is disquieting. This would have been the perfect opportunity for a real conservative to stand forth, but of course instead we get the "maverick." I do not believe this is accidental. However, only those who actually punch a chad or pull a lever for Hillary / Obama will have voted for Hillary / Obama, & those people, & no others, are to blame for the result.

McCain is not merely "not conservative enough" he is affirmatively anti-conservative. He is 180 degrees backwards on at least 4 critically important issues. The McCain machine doesn't merely want to sneak in a lot of baggage like the Bushes did, so we get backstabbed & let down on key actions like the polar bear listing or McCain-Feingold. They now want an actual MANDATE, allegedly from 'mainstream' CONSERVATIVES, to enact the most radical leftist agenda since the New Deal.

A deliberate scheme is in play to manipulate us into granting this mandate to the man who has politically flipped us off.

Flush the RR
If the loyal supporters of this spiritual dynamic duo don’t show up at the polls, it alone will make the White House unattainable for the 71-year-old. >>>

Catch a clue, stupid. Without these lunatics we pick up more votes than we lose. You morons seem determined to make us a permanent minority party, and for what? You RR wing turds haven't been happy with the party before or since Reagan. And you p-iss on Reagan memory every time one of you purist burka wearing ideologues open your hate holes. Reagan was a Big Tent republican, not a Nazi like you and your preachers.

Harry hit it out of the park!
5 checks today, Harry. Excellent piece. Though I personally disagree with Huck as VP.
Many, like myself, view Huck's compassionate conservatism as nothing more than socialistic pandering. I begrudge Huck for calling proud, concerned, nationalists, 'bigots.' He is too much like McCain, whom genuine conservatives roundly reject.

We already have mega issues with McCain's amnesty proposal. Placing Huck on the ticket would be a nut move as Huck's sympathies and proposed benefits to illegal invaders have folk's hoppin' mad. To put them together....Yikes!

Deeds speak louder than words
McCain insists he's not Bush-III, but the way he's running his current campaign is vintage Bush - totally detached. Do we really want four more years of "I'll do whatever I want for whatever reasons I want." Where's your head, Mccain?

Who is McCain Today?
Jackson said, "I hope I am painting McCain with the wrong brush." Unfortunately, you are painting him with the right brush. The Republicans ran a very quick and clean preliminary race. Perhaps to quick leaving the weeble wobble candidate in the race. McCain isn't even the President and I want to impeach him. What's going on McCain are you suffering from dementia? Has he truly forgotten or is he just too stubborn and has decided to play politics on his term, even to the extent of losing the White House.

Back to What's Important
I believe this whole process has gotten so far away from what we should be looking at in a candidate. This Pastor said this, and this pastor said that. The nominees should be looked at by their experience, character, and capability to run our country. Not by age, race, gender, or what someone else is preaching about,writing about, reporting about. These are all someone elses opinions. The person we elect is going to run this country, and we need to be focusing on who is the best QUALIFIED for the job. The best advice I can give is to pray, pray, pray, and ask for God's guidence and direction.

Charles Martel
I think we will all throw (him) up here! Already I am too worried about our country and future after the election. I unfortunately don't see any good outcomes.

p.c....Iam embarrassed!
And that is hard to do!
I remember you and I were both open minded to that tall dude called mitt-en rommey!smile!
Well, if my wife of 41 years ever fires me..I
will try to get your husnads permission to just hang around and provide extra money! Maybe record a few songs!?
elvis

McAmnesty
Does not listen! How many times have the greedy politicians tried some form of amnesty for people who crossed our borders illegally? How many of our tax dollars need to be spent in support of these people who John McCain - once more is pandering to? Recently a meeting with LaRaza? Current stats say that we as tax payers have paid out over 349 BILLION dollars last year in their support. Pliticians try and tell us there are only 12 million illegals in this country! Wrong - closer to 30 million and with anchor babies and chain migration what will it be in a few years? With all the reminders to McCain regarding the conservative/evangelical base - he still doesn't listen. I have to say by now, he's just stupid! You cannot be all things to all people! It's time to make ourselves heard!

To to: http://www.Givemeliberty.org/revolution. Maybe if we all band together we can save this country from the three idiots.


Oh You Poor Suckers
vote third party, where did that get us with Ross Parote? (spelling wrong)

Go ahead and vote in a Liberal and then start digging, it won't be far enough when the Liberals get done with this country.

What has Congress accomplished so far, they love illegal aliens and put them in every bill sent to the President and you talk about McCain.

Well get a Liberal President and you will have all illegals staying here and all I can say is good for you, you voted third party.

Four years is a short time to pass a huge amount of laws that will effect you a lifetime.

Joy

Get serious, McCain!
McCain needs to demonstrate to conservative voters that he will truly stand on the principles that matter to them and not abandonment them whenever he feels it will somehow serve his political purposes. If he is truly passionate about these principles, he needs to show this and not give the impression that he lacks any real strength of conviction about such matters. If it's not in him to do this, he can kiss his chance to lead this nation good-bye. The choice is his.

As someone who is inclined to vote for McCain, he has already slipped in my original estimation of him. Maybe I'm alone, but I suspect there are a great many others who are starting to wonder what kind of president he'll really be.

So, he doesn't say what you
want him (McCain) to say. Obama and Clinton will say anything just to get elected and then once in, they forget what it was they said. Same o - Same o Democrats.

If the Media didn't fill everones head with Liberal ideas, then maybe we all could see through the clouds and make a decision on what is best for our country and not what the Liberals want.

Go ahead and listen to all the Liberal Media talk and then when you follow, don't blame anyone but yourself for the disaster this country will face.

I won't be able to say "I told you so" because my rights will be stripped away the first year and so will yours. Try marching in the streets and see what happens then.

Go ahead you Liberals, control the conservatives and Independent thinkers, that sounds like what they want. Don't call yourself conservative and then vote (or don't vote) Liberals into office again.

Joy

For Rats&Mice (#2)
I like that double-entendre on Panda--rather apt since the 2008-elected president will almost certainly be pandering to PRC.

Course correction?
Now it's McCain who must stand before the Conservative inquisition. What is it that McCain has to explain about being shy talking about religion. Everyone who has been a prisoner of war has to answer more questions then the enemy asked them. What questions must McCain answer before the Conservative inquisition, before he is allowed to carry on with his campaign for the Presidency. We have some Conservatives who have this attitude that they run the Republican party. If they don't approve of what McCain says or how he campaigns then forget it, McCain will be attacked as much as Obama is. Hillary talks about religion the same way Bill did to get votes. To say that Hillary isn't shy to talk about religion is worthless knowing what Hillary will say to win the nomination. If Hillary can use the assassination of RFK to make a point, talking about religion is no big deal to her.

Brownback, Jindal, or Huckabee?
It continually amazes me that a guy who is this ham-handed at his trade slid into the nomination of the party that is supposed to be paying attention to these kinds of things. The Democrats nominate amateurs, four-flushers, and losers. We're supposed to know better.

I am not an evangelical, but I find myself in coalitions with them often, and it bothers me how McCain manages always to offend.

That said, the Right is stuck with him -- or at least with a situation that involves him. So, what about the author's VP suggestions? I'd be disappointed in any of the three.

It would be one thing if he had made a decent showing in his own bid for the top job, but it's the other because he didn't: thus it's hard for me to associate "enthusiasm" and "Brownback" in the same paragraph.

Jindal's is a career that warrants watching, but it is much too soon. I'd like to see him first do for Louisiana what we are all hoping he's capable of. Then national office may well follow, but for now that sort of talk is hyperbole.

I would expect the VP choice to be one who could merit the respect and support of the social conservatives because he returns that respect and support, or better still, initiates it. The problem with Huckabee, though, is that he appeals *only* to social conservatives. I acknowledge that a sizeable chunk of our voters came out for Huckabee this season, even after he quit, but part of that had to be because he was the last one left besides Ron Paul.

I know you guys must have somebody better. Please throw him up there.

The only way to survive as a free nation
We should try to influence McCain to pick a true conservative like Ron Paul for his VP. Then, if we praying Christians can pray him into office, we should begin to fast and pray vigorously that God will deliver us from our well deserved national destruction and in supreme mercy make a way for Dr. Paul to become president. Becoming McCain's VP would be the only way for the most qualified man in history to occupy that office for the literal salvation of our nation. We either have to become deadly serious about playing the supernatural card now or suffer the horrible consequences later. We are truly between a rock and a hard place, and I see not the least chance of anything else working at all. Desperate times require desperate measures we should have been using all along.

Just come out and say it!
mrbmrb Location: "nom rel difference???
youn say thay you cant find any real difference between mccain and obama. good god man, justdo as most of the people who write these threads do...look at a op oictues of the two next to each other. (the next is said in a whisper) one is darker then the other."

So are you saying that is THE reason you support one over the other? I always was led to believe that people from Minnesota are more progressive than the KKK trailer trash trolls in West Virginia. (I also thought they could write in English. Good God man, where did you learn to spell?)

Re: Evangelicals
Dreamer: "Please tell me that evangelicals are also normal human beings..."

No, they are not. They are evangelicals.

McCain did a good thing by distancing himself from Hagee after what this freak said about the Catholic Church and his comments about Hitler doing God's work in killing the Jews. If this is the kind of crap that evangelicals believe in, the Republican party would be doing well to rid itself of any connection to these rednecks. I can only hope that his being their candidate is a sign that they haven't all drunk the Kool-Aid.

Fred - Supreme court justices
What makes you think McCain will deliver an Alito or Roberts - as opposed to a Souter, Stephens, Kennedy or O'Conner (all appointed by Republicans)?

If I believed he'd deliver there, that might be enough to vote for McCain. The good news is the older justices are all on the left other than Scalia.

About the only thing I can really trust McCain on is the handling of Iraq. But even there, I think if/when BHO gets into office, real life will set in and he'll end up disappointing his base by not pulling out as fast as he currently claims.

On everything else, he might as well be a democrat, despite what he's currently claiming.

John McCain vs. Barack Obama
With a neo-communist or at least socialist as the democratic nominee, staying home or voting third party is NOT an option. The next president will probably place 2-4 justices on the Supreme Court. That fact alone should tell a conservative how to vote this November!

How much harm can 2 years do?
Part of me wants to agree with the folks who say "Let the dems screw things up, and we win in 2010-2012". Part of me agrees with the clothespin squad, and say "Anything to keep ClintBama out of the white house."

The question that keeps haunting me is "How much can the dems really screw things up?".

Dems point to Kennedy meeting Kruschev to defend Obama having high tea with terrorists. But they forget that Kennedy was considered a weakling by the soviets, who then put up the berlin wall, and sent nukes to cuba. Do we really want another Cuban Missile Crisis?

Oh, by the way, That all happened in the first Two Years of the kennedy admin.

Now, the question can haunt you too. :op

How much harm can they do in 2 years?


Yay!
Harry R Jackson hit the nail square on the head! I hope McCain reads this column. I didn't agree with the Huckabee stuff, mostly because I think he's lose as many people as he picks up...but otherwise, well-put reasoning.

Five Stars from me.

let us consider 1992
There have been a lot of comments to the effect that we should hold our nose and vote McCain because Obama would be terrible.

I disagree - I've voted Republican for president every 4 years since I turned 18, but this year I'll probably vote for Barr.

Remember what happened in 1992:
Perot siphoned off enough votes to cause Bush to lose and we got Clinton and a Dem House and Senate. 2 years later the Republicans took congress big-time, and fought with Clinton enough to severely limit the growth of government, which led to an economic boom and reduced budget deficits (or surplusses depending on your accounting).

Then W gets elected, has a Republican rubber stamp congress, and they start spending like crazy.

A vote for Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin is NOT a wasted vote if it causes the Republicans to return to their roots.

Our country is strong enough to weather Obama for a few years. He'll be worse than Carter, then maybe we'll have another Reagan.

Comments for my friend, elvis
I'm a gal with only one husband, unfortunately. (I wouldn't mind another income around here!)

I took a 2 week break from TH just to prove that I'm not addicted. Turns out I'm not.

Good analysis Harry!
I believe that McCain has already more or less sunk himself. I don't believe that his VP will make a lot of difference. It might get him elected, but the President is the one who really calls the shots. Also, changing his words at this point in the game is not going to change what he has shown himself to really be over a period of years. I believe he is a panderer to the left and I cannot trust him.

No Vote for McCain
The only alternative and hope that traditional Americans have is to hand the keys to the liberals this election and then watch them self-destruct. J.E. Carter's only legacy is that he paved the way for Ronald Reagan. With the liberal loons running both houses and the Executive branch, we will experience the most absurd attempts to satisfy their loonier base that one could imagine. Hopefully, there are enough educated voters remaining to run them all out of office during the next election cycle. If there are not sufficient educated voters, we deserve the catastrophe that will ensue.

Social conservatives
Social conservatives have already lost their influence in this country, and certainly in the Republican Party. If social conservatives had any influence, McCain wouldn't be the nominee. What's particularly bad for social conservatives is that they literally have no place to go politically. Sure, they can vote for Bob Barr, Ron Paul, or Chuck Baldwin, but none of those candidates will win even if every single social conservative casts a vote for the same one. This country is becoming more liberal as the old-school Fallwellians die. Reagan only won because he was a good actor. Apparently, people bought Reagan and not the enduring philosophy of social conservatism, or McCain would not be the nominee. Rove said that there are only 4 million social conservatives in this country. They won't vote for McCain and Obama doesn't need them. It's Obama, hands down.

The Solution
he needs to do the right thing....have Ted Kennedy run as his V.P.

JimP & DC
OK, OK, OK, its Beans Bullets and Bandages then, but please, no vegetarian beans :-)

JUDE
Well sure. But none of that is as simple as your comment made it sound. I have been doing what you suggest for over 30 years.

RETIRED G
And yours as well. God Bless and you have a pleasant evening also.
Best wishes.

JimP & DC

JimP

Here is the program to give DC back to the mosquitoes:

1.Get the Feds out of what are clearly (Constitutionally) the States responsibilities, i.e.: education, agriculture, church, commerce, infrastructure, etc, by insisting on a strict interpretation of the Constitution. Limit the Fed to National Defense, Foreign Treaties and other enumerated federal activities. This will require 2+ more conservative Supreme Court Judges and cutting off the mothers milk of bloated gov't- i.e. money (see below)

2. Vote With Your Feet and move to a conservative, low tax/ low gov't state. Insist on holding the local & state gov't accountable to conservative principles and actions. This directly helps to pull back power from that reclaimed swamp called DC.

3. Vote for candidates who support the lowest taxes (and/or a flat tax )and smallest government possible, and then hold them accountable. Otherwise survive through coalitions that do the least harm/ bloat until we can pull the trigger on #3 below.

3. Pass a Constitutional Amendment that:

A- denies a vote to anyone (except active duty military) who receives any funds from the Federal gov't. while they are receiving those funds. This includes anyone on welfare, collecting subsidies, earning gov't wages, etc. When they stop collecting gov't they can get their vote back, and

B< gives multiple votes to Military Veterans, employers, property owners (homeowners), tax payers, and others who have real skin in the game, up to a total of 5 votes per person.

This will kill off the voting blocks that will reliably support big gov't career politicians.

4.Personally run for local office on a small gov't platform and then deliver on your promise.

JimP
accepted and my apology to you.

I did not mean anything towards you as an individual.

Humans are different and from different environments and perspectives but all of us are tempted, suffer pain, have joy and happiness and so on.

Your opinion is welcome as mine should be. I disagree with your position and you disagree with mine - such is life.

Have a pleasant evening.

RETIRED GEEK
It was a figure of speech. My most humble apology.

p.c.....did you?
Return from the lost and found dept.?
I have been thinking about you and wondering if
one of your 35 wives lost her cool and snuffed you?
Yeah, your right, evangelists, get a grip and
don't do anything that will put america in the hands of brainless ' bama!
elvis

PC et al
I am going to shamelessly steal your line.

"I love my country more than I hate McCain."

Well said fellow Patriot!

The Jude Oracle
Thank you! for your words and wisdom!

How anyone thinks it is patriotic or sensible to let Obama run this country is beyond me.

Running from duty is cowardice.

Duty is not usually pleasant but necessary.


How 2 lose an election 2 who?
Let's see, we've got 3 politically correct liberal candidates - Obama, Hillary & Juan - and you're alleging should the citizenry not vote for McMexico conservatives will lose The White House in November? Hello... are 'ya there?

The present occupant of our house on Pennsylvania Avenue in DC sure 'ain't' a card carrying member of the Robert Taft branch of the fiscal conservative fraternity. And a vote for Juan McCain sure 'ain't' casting a vote in the direction of Barry Goldwater either.

I'd suggest fiscal conservatives and Jeffersonian constitutionalits consider voting for old Bob Barr on the Libertarian line. I mean, afterall, any conservative with one ounce of integrity won't be casting a ballot for Mexico's favortie elephant.. Juan McCain.

IMO... any vote for either Obama, Hillary or McCain is a vote against our Republic.

JimP
Please post where I called you a name or apologize!

JUDE
Two further questions: 1) If DC isn't the problem then what is?; and 2) Please explain how we can just give it back? Sounds simple. I'm ready to start to work on that project right away.
RSVP

JUDE & RETIRED G
Well fellas, as I said before, I understand others' reasons for voting for Mac. Your name calling and insults haven't changed my mind. I too swore the oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic twice. Once before entering the military and when being sworn in as a Law Enforcement Officer. If you see my exercising of my right to not vote for McCain as treason, well then make the most of it. Apocalyptic chicken little arguments do not persuade me. And again, since neither of the Dems are going to get elected according to Jude, then what diff does it make? P.S.: Jude, you're welcome. I was happy to defend your right to hurl insults at me. Best Wishes. JimP

2 choices
It's that simple. Do you want a man who won't stand up for Israel, the WOT, the life issue and reasonable judges? A man who will increase your taxes, and bring in more big gov? A man who isn't a patriot?

I DON'T. Hence, I'll be voting for McCain. I love my country more than I hate McCain. He's not perfect, far from it, but he's a damn site better than the alternative. We cannot allow Obama to be CIC. Our troops deserve the best man available, and our country will not survive his presidency without significant cost to our long term security.

Evangelicals, get over it, and stop trying to bully the rest of us around. It isn't working.

McCain/Romney 08
Romney/Jindal 2012

Memorial Day Thanks and a Call To Duty
To All Those Who Served - You have my eternal thanks, especially on this special Day of Honoring.

But the job is not done till it is done. We once again face a threat today to our values, our economy and our children's future as a free society. It will require the courage to make hard choices. The bravery to stand for what is right. And the commitment to keep at it till our country is safe once again.

Our country is calling on you once again to protect us from 'enemies foreign and domestic'.

The body may pass away but our deeds will remain.

Thanks Retired Geek for staying in the game as a true patriot and a man of God.

I will vote for McCain
McCain has a chance - small - but a chance to beat a man who is a collectivist and an appeaser.

Take your best shots at me.

I will vote for the only one who might defend this country.

"damn the verbal torpedoes, full steam ahead"

Rationalize away your duty
Do not vote or vote for someone who cannot win - if you will.

That will be a vote for Obama - lessons are not learned by politicians - lessons can not be learned by those who would rather endanger this country than suffer a blow to your ego.

Stand up and be American Warriors - who are willing to suffer whatever needs to be suffered to preserve our country.

I will vote for McCain
I know I will have many regrets and receive ridicule - but I will know that I did what little I could do to protect my family, my neighbors and my Country.

I will be able to sleep knowing I did all this old man could do.

I will vote as a Christian
I answered the draft in 1962 while thousands of 'dodgers' rationalized away from their duty to America.

I will not 'dodge' this time either - McCain is the only choice I can make because of his stance on defending America.

Would I choose him otherwise HELL NO.

My God and country and family come before my feelings and intellect - I will swallow my pride and not be a dodger - I will vote for someone who has a chance of defeating a candidate who is backed by HAMAS.

JimP
I grew up in MD/DC, held office there, and left for the relatively 'low tax' western frontier states. But some of my family is still there paying the extortionate, confiscatory taxes that fund every victim/ criminal/ redistribution/ nutjob/ urinate-on-the-crucifix-artiste program that the elected officials can pander to the least common denominator voter with. Even so, I would not wish another term of BHO-WMD (B. Hussein Obammy's Washington Meglomaniac Demagoguery) on them on top of their local and (nanny-)state "Public Servants".

If DC were the problem we could just give it back to the mosquitoes. The challenge is to hold the radical-deconstructionist liberal barbarians back long enough to (re?)-invent a solid conservative domestic & int'l platform that we can hold our candidates accountable to. And that will take another cycle or more. But in the meantime it makes sense to me to join with an electable candidate that will allow us to live and fight another day.

Non Vote is a vote for Obama
"Islam can be compatible with the modern world. It can be a partner with the Christian &
Jewish & Hindu & Buddhist faiths in trying to create a better world." Barak Obama 2008
Democratic Compassion Forum at Messiah College Apr 13, 2008

compatible = capable of existing together in harmony.
Islam is a 700 AD religion and has NO rights for women.

partner = to join as a partner.
Islam and the Jewish religion partners?
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"Obama is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct, presidential diplomacy with
Iran without preconditions."
- Barackobama.com

Obama thinks Hamas and Iran can become partners with America and Israel?

Is this what he is talking about negotiating with the madman from Iran who has stated that America will be destroyed in his lifetime.

9.3 million Islamist live in the United States right now. If only 1% are radical that is 90 thousand extremists already here who dou you think the others will have allegiance to - Mecca or Washington.

Huchabee as VP is a guaranteed loss come
November. He needs to pick a good VP as people will put more weight on this than EVER before because of McCain's age. The dems would have had the POTUS sewed up if not for O'bambi. Reps need to get back to grass roots and start promoting a new crop of politicians because our current crop is diseased, withered and dying.

nothing new here..
I'd say dissing 2 preachers is the least of Mack's follies. To paraphrase a Roman emperor's maxim, "Kiss up to the established popular media, and scorn all others."

I have never seen such blatant and persistent whizzing on a party's base, but then as I've always said, this has been a deliberate plot to marginalize conservatives, because they are the real enemy of elite 1-worlders and career political hacks.

Re Redlac's 09:46 post - I think we are indeed seeing an engineered McCain election in which he'll garner the moderate Dems dismayed at their candidate. Either Hil or Obama take your pick are going to alienate part of the Dem party. Unfortunately that will only serve to get our bargain-basement Machiavelli over the top, according to plan.

Worst of all, he'll claim he has a conservative mandate, so conservatism gets a stake thru the heart to go w/ all the knives he & GW have put in its back.

It is intrinsically impossible for McCain at this point to reassure or convince me of anythng whatsoever, unless someone can provide him with a time machine and a bat so he can go back to five or six select points in hs career & beat some sense into himself before doing the damage in the 1st place.

Huckabee least of all; I think he entered the race when he did to fracture Mack's remaining opposition. Huck was the 2nd worst choice.

Obama vs McCain II
July 2007 "Presidential hopeful Barack Obama said the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn't a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there."

March, 2008 Obama's website states, "Obama will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."

March 7, 2008 Obama's then key foreign policy advisor Samantha Power, spoke on the commitment to get combat forces out in 16 months. "You can't make a commitment in March 2008 about what circumstances will be like in January of 2009."
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I would rather eat a plate of maggots then vote for McCain - but I will vote for McCain because Obama will allow us to be destroyed by Islamofacists.

A non-vote is a vote for Obama - are you willing to gamble our safety away?

Obama vs McCain I
October 2, 2002, Chicago Wearing a war is not an option pin, Obama called to the crowd," The Iraq war is a dumb war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle, but on politics."

On March 28, 2003, on CNN, Obama claimed, "I absolutely want to make sure that the troops have sufficient support to be able to win."

At the Democratic National Convention that July, 2004, his only mention of the war was, "There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and patriots who supported it."

July, 2004 "The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster...It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective.".

July 26, 2004 "I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don't know." The New York Times

2004 "I'm always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought [the war] was such a bad idea was that I didn't have the benefit of U.S. intelligence," The New Yorker

November 2005 speech, he called for a gradual withdrawal of forces. "Notice that I say 'reduce,' and not 'fully withdraw [troops]'"

December, 2005), "It is arguable that the best politics going into '06 would be a clear, succinct message: 'Let's bring our troops home...But whether that's the best policy right now, I don't feel comfortable saying it is." Chicago Tribune

July 2007 "Presidential hopeful Barack Obama said the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn't a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there."


JUDE
I understand your reasoning. If you are correct in that none of the other candidates will win in Nov, then it won't matter if I do not vote for McCain. As for letting evil triumph, there are more ways to fight it than voting for Mac (who in my opinion is an internal threat by making the economy weaker with his Cap & Trade policy, Amnesty, and his general untrustworthiness and leftist tendancies)this Nov, IMHO. Worst case scenario, hypothetically speaking, if the Islamic terrorists nuke D.C.- & I am alot closer to it than you- would it make things better or worse if D.C. were wiped out? Just sayin' .....

nom rel difference???

youn say thay you cant find any real difference between mccain and obama. good god man, justdo as most of the people who write these threads do...look at a op oictues of the two next to each other. (the next is said in a whisper) one is darker then the other.

Jude Oracle to JimP
McCain's GWOT strategy works for me considering the OBambi's alternative strategy of Radical Unilateral Disarmament (The chickencrap democrat R.U.N. Strategy). Remembering that somebody form the home team has to be left standing for any of it to matter in the end, domestic policy comes waaaaaay second this time around. And none of the other candidates stands a chance of winning a race for dogcatcher this time around.

Lead, Follow or ....., but don't check out and let the scoundrels take over. As Edmund Burke said, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

screwed, blued or tattooed
Pick one of the three; you can't? Is there any way we can just draft a new candidate? Drag him out kicking and screaming if need be. Hell, none of these rascals could even be retrained decently enough before November.

HEY JUDE
You sound like the party leadership with the get over it line. Sorry, but that doesn't work with me. The only thing that would work for me at this point is Mac doing something convincing that he wouldn't be a socialist-lite except for the GWOT. But, as said before, he no longer has ANY credibility. Stock up on Bullets, Beans & Bandages is my advice.

Titanic Moans
Whining and moaning about McCain not being conservative enough is like whining about the bad room service aboard the Titanic.

Our ship of State is headed for a radical dismemberment of our values, culture, economics and religon.

I am a rib-rocked conservative, but I don't agree that tossing away my vote is any kind of an intelligent solution.

Vote McCain and get just over it. Or suffer 4-8 years of Cap'n Bambi's assault on the Last Best Hope for the World and our way of life.

Not voting or voting 3rd party is the equivalent of saying to the Radicals: "C'mon in, the door's unlocked, make yourself at home". Except they wont leave without your money, dignity, freedom and your future.

Vote McCain, send $$$ (no guns or lawyers, please) and stay involved by getting out the vote!


McCains spiritual endorsements.
Do you like Hagee and his supporters running foreign policy? The Jews must be in Israel only so Christ can make a second coming is his philosophy so he sends his followers to lobby congressmen, successfully too I might add. So you think Parsley and his statement that "God sent Hitler because the Jews were not immigrating into Israel" is a legitimate argument?

Those guys are looney tunes. McCain has better make space between he and them if he wants any moderates to vote for him.

Looking for Change in wrong places
Yup, vote for McCain because he is the lesser of three evils??? Talk about doing the SAME thing over and over and expecting a different result! Got news for yous all---you've kept voting the party line, what have you got to show for it? Here's the answer---you've been taken for granted! Time to stock up on them nose pins just as you've done before. Heck, by now all of yous are so used to the game you probably never bothered to take the pins off! No need to put one on when you already have one on. Sad, the fact that all these years you've had to wear it election after election....when will this madness end...when will we see the light...oh when if ever the time will come...zzzzzzzz

AudiR10
If anyone blows something up after the election, it will almost certainly be because we have given them an open invitation to enter the US due to our unwillingness to clamp down on our borders? And whose fault will that be? Bush and McCain certainly haven't done anything to prevent terrorists from using the same land routes that millions of illegals from other countries are using. We know that over 40% aren't from Mexico, and that people from around the world have figured it out. If Obama were President, he wouldn't be sitting around wringing his hands as you describe at all, he'd be pointing the fingers at everyone - including himself - who made no effort whatsoever to secure the US from terrorist attacks. And that would be the issue. Anything else would get lost in the dust as the debate wouldn't be about what Obama did or didn't do. It would be about how they got here. And that would no more help the GOP than it would the Democrats - and it certainly wouldn't help McCain given his support for amnesty.

RE: Depends on the ROP
AudiR10,

Do you really expect me to take seriously a guy who is opposed to Gitmo and torture to save US lives from a WMD/Nuclear device....A guy who doesn't do a damn thing to effect border security to protect me from the Muslims?

Get a grip, please!

It far too late for McCai to get my vote
Mr. jackson,

I know you mean well, but McCain is persona non-grata now. The only thing that needs to be decided is how to defeat him to keep an effective liberal from reaching office. I do not feel Obama is an effective leader for his side, and would make a perfect Jimmy Carter.

It far too late for McCai to get my vote
Mr. jackson,

I know you mean well, but McCain is persona non-grata now. The only thing that needs to be decided is how to defeat him to keep an effective liberal from reaching office. I do not feel Obama is an effective leader for his side, and would make a perfect Jimmy Carter.

I agree..
...since I am not a La Raza member, I cannot trust McCain on his 'word'. To those who say a third party vote is a wasted vote, I say if you want conservative princples from your President, a vote for McCain is then a wasted vote also.
Say, as to that 'maverick' title, I guess when I vote Libertarian, I'll be a maverick, too. And how can anyone be against that?

Worry about the independents
Denouncing Hagee and Parsley may cost McCain "the " mainstream evangelical vote"? If it's the mainstream of evangelicals supporting these nuts, the country is in worse trouble than I thought.

But I agree that McCain is a panderer. He's sold out just about every principle he ever had to become president. What he really needs to worry about is losing moderate independents---people who used to admire him as a "maverick"---when the press finally starts doing its job and portraying him warts and all.

The dems keep handing the WH to McCain,
And he keeps handing it back!

I have never seen such a case of one-upmanship over who can be more stupid.

Every time I decide to hold my nose and vote for mcshame, he goes and pulls a new trick from his bag of idiocy.

The dems are literally tearing their party apart, so Mccain decides he wants to rip the republican party apart too.

It's beginning to look like No one Really wants the office this year.

Bob Barr is looking better and better.

Depends on the ROP
McCain's chances depend entirely on the actions of the Religion of Peace between now and then.

Should the Overeager Beavers blow up something big and American between now and the election, under the delusion that Americans like the Spanish will fold and crawl, McCain wins. Should they hold their hand until February 1st 2009 and then start blowing stuff up in America, not big stuff but lots of little stuff, and President Obama stands wringing his hands in the ruins and crying because he can't believe they lied to him, it'll be pretty cold comfort for some of you, sitting in the ashes with your dead child in your arms, praising yourself for Not Voting For McCain just to "show" him a thing or two.

It all boils down to what you're willing to risk just to spit in somebody's face.

Your a voice in the wilderness
I like your article but I don't think McCain is going to listen to you. I don't think the republicans are listening to you either.

The republicans have stopped listening to me, too. The only influence I have is my vote and I don't want to waste it.

Who ever you vote for is the person you support and make stronger. If you vote for McCain because you support a strong defense, yet you hate everything else, you have declared your support those bad policies. If you support McCain then vote for him. If you plan to hold your nose because you consider the other candidate is worse you have just wasted your vote. You opposition has been changed into full support for all his policies.

If you vote 3rd party your opposition is undeniable. The bigger the 3rd party turn out the greater influence it will have. Imagine the direction both the democrates and republicans will have to move if a libertarian gets elected, or even gets real close.

AGREEMENT
I agree with Mr. Jackson's analysis with one exception. Even if McCain did what Mr. Jackson suggests, why should anyone believe him at this point? If McCain's actions over the last 8 years, including this camapaign, haven't been enough to make people distrustful of his 'word' what will it take? John Hawkins and others have begun calling him a "liar". If you vote for McCain, expect to get the opposite of what he said.

McCain
We went with President Bush.
Who's brains seem to be in his toosh.
He waxes and wanes.
So were stuck with McCain.
A man who appears to be vain.
Obama or McCain how insane.
Surely the fat lady has sung her last refrain.


JUST A THINKER...GEE,THANKS!
IAM HEADED TO MY DADS GRAVE TO FIND SOME........
peace! But your in depth analysis...has me depressed..! Maybe some nice flowers will lift me?
elvis

It boggles the mind...
to think that a man who could withstand years of incredible physical and psychological torture could devolve into a confused, pandering, unprincipled little bowl of Jello. Just goes to show that the disease of Washington liberalism is stronger and more destructive that the aforementioned torture. Yes, I’ll be staying home ALL day on Nov. 4th.

this year's "Veepstakes"
This 2008 election is one in which the choice of Vice-Presidential nominee is really significant. Perhaps rude of me, but both the likely frontrunners for President could well die in their first term, McVain via age/health and Obama via assasination. This insensitive hurdle crossed, I'd warm to a Brownback Veep selection by McVain, and be VERY interested in who the DEM Veep is (if it's a Clinton, I'd triple that odds of a dead Obama in his first term!). Of course, Brownback, Jindal (who for goodness sake just became a Gov), nor the Huckster bring solid help in a particular "battleground" state. Anyone mentioning former NY Gov Pataki? If NY went Red, the election is won.

Lost in an election year
I, too, am ambivalent about whom to cast my precious ballot. I have never voted for anyone not a Republican, sometimes having to hold my nose, not because they were the best conservatives but they were not liberal.
I would be sick with Obama or Hillary and their socialist world. I wonder if our country really understands the effects of either on our life?
McCain is the best choice of a poor selection, his wife is a much better choice. If McCain could learn to articulate his positions and would articulate them we might feel better about him but his stance on immigration, McCain-Feingold, not taking a bold tax stand like the Fair Tax[nor even understanding it],
his White-old-man attitude[of which I am one also] doesn't help his popularity, his deviousness on illegals and the fence is frightening. He seems to think, like Obama and Hillary, that he is wiser than I and I should simply acquiesce to his higher knowledge. Well, I do not share his view on his higher knowledge and the illegals must be dealt with to allow those immigrants who want to come legally to have the first opportunity. We must resolve our dependence on foreign oil by drilling wherever we have oil and drilling in a responsible manner until we can replace our usage of oil with something as good or better that we have locally.
McCain is responsible, having been in congress for 20+ years and not having the backbone to resolve these issues long ago.
His stance on judges, terrorism, and his record of serving our beloved country may be all to which I can cling.

Republican Party left the train station
GM
The Republican Party left the train station long ago. When President Bush invaded Iraq, that was the death knell. He became a democrat, and oh boy does it show.
So, as some of the previous posters showed, we have three democrats to vote for. Or at least that is what people are saying.
IF enough people who are conservative wake up and vote for Ron Paul, (I am not a Ron Paul groupie), the Republican party may have a chance to come back as a force.
Ron Paul seems to be the only candidate with an iotoa of sense, and that does include national security. We need to get out of Iraq, let the Iraq people do what they will. We achieved what we wanted, Sadamm is gone. What happens now is up to those people, not us. It is draining us dry and letting China buy us. Are you satisfied with that option?
It is time for some bare knuckles soul searching and voting with a clear mind instead of the supposed facts fed to us. Throw the TV out the window and read, inform, and make a wise choice for the common good.

some questions about evangelicals
Why are evangelicals painted as a group who wants only to legislate their particular religious agenda? Why do politicians assume that they all vote as a bloc?

Don't they pay the same gas prices as everyone else? Have not some of them lost their homes in the sub-prime mortgage crisis? Have not some of them lost their sons and daughters in the Iraq War? Have not some of them lost their jobs to outsourcing? Are they not paying taxes to support government overspending? Do some of them not have Health Care? Is the value of their dollar going in the tank? Is the future of their Social Security net just as grim as everyone else's? Is their homeland more secure or less secure than it used to be?

Please tell me that evangelicals are also normal human beings with normal expectations from their government.

Crescen7
Crescen7
Spot on!
That is just what I have been saying!
We conservatives are simply screwed to the hilt.
So (in my opinion) it might really be better to loose.


HERE'S MY REASONING
First, let's dispell the Huckabee nonsense. Huckabee is a phoney and a populist. He no more reflects my conservative values than Obama. He's a lying politician to the core (both of them-Obama and Huckabee).

Now, here's where I am on McCain. I can't stand him! So I say what do I do since Obama is definitely not going to happen for me. I look at what's on the table and say well, I certainly don't want European/Canadian style socialized medicine. Also, I can't see pulling the troops out of Iraq as Obama suggests and could certainly not feel comfortable with Obama going over and making nice with the terrorists like his surrogate Jimmy dimwit.

Now, conclusion, all the other issues McCain and Obama are not much different. Barr on the libertarian side is totally bad on national security as well.

So that leaves me with McCain who is at least better on national security and healthcare.

BUT, I don't trust McCain. He lies about illegal immigration and disowns pastors he doesn't even have to disown. The guy is an empty suit.

So folks, WE ARE IN A WHOLE LOT OF TROUBLE and I don't mean for the next 4 years only, but at least 10 years down the road, if this country can last that long with the hell bent Islamo facists trying to kill us (before we kill ourselves).

So, who to vote for --- I might have to hold my nose and vote for McCain. Hopefully he can't run for a second term and a true conservative values person will rise from the ashes of the Republican party. Probably wishful thinking, but right now, that's all we really have.

God help us all.

jasrandal..
Jasrandal,
Vote third party that way the GOP will have some idea just how pissed we are!!
They stopped sending me those B.S. polls attached to a envelope asking for money. With questions like: do you think that protecting the nation is important?
After I kept sending it back with a brick attached to it with the note: first build the fence, start with this brick, then maybe I will send money.


Barring a major political event . . .
McCain will win the Presidency in a landslide.

He's not running as a Republican. He's running as the completely acceptable Democrat alternative to the fatally flawed Barack Obama. Have you noticed Obama has been creamed in all but two of the last primaries? Do you realize that now Florida and Michigan have to be ignored to nominate Obama ? I believe the Democrat hierarchy even wants McCain as President.

In McCain they get everything they want - except the Iraq policy. But in truth, they know they can't abandon Iraq either - but that would be inexplicable to the wacko fringe democrat base. So, with McCain - it's even better. They don't get the blame for losing a war, and they get to slam McCain every day about the war - and parlay that position into more mid-term congressional gains.

McCain doesn't need big conservative turnout, but will get most of the conservative votes anyway. He'll get all of the non lunatic Dems, and he'll win easily. Bad thing is, that's better for the Dems than the conservatives.

screwed in 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree, but I think that conservatives want to like him but we cant. Every time we turn around he sticks his fingers in our eyes. At every chance he gets he seems to want to let the “moderates” know that he will not let the conservatives “push him around”, and that he is more liberal then conservative.
I have a different idea on his election. I feel that if he wins: The Democrats get more of what they want. I feel he will want to “get along” with them. He has proven that already. The jell-o backboned Republicans (note, AG bill) will not go against him and help steamroll any liberal legislation through. If he loses: (that in it self will make many RINO’s notice) we might once again be the opposition party. If they don’t then we should end up with another Carter, then we can rid the party of these RINO’s.
We are going to be flooded with immigration.
The cost of living is going up, as well as gas, (no drilling)
The green agenda is being pushed.
The size of government will grow from high speed to lunacy speed.
The way I see it, there are not huge differences in the three candidates.
I know the judges and the war..
With his line “too conservative” for Samuel Alito, what makes you think that he will pull for someone that does not make up legislation from the bench.
The war.. well that is my only reason now that I might want to pull for Mc Cain, but the thought of eating &^%$#@ sandwiches for 4 or 8 years is just too much.


No real choice
this election for many of us. I used to respect McCain even when I mostly didn't agree with him. However, the longer he campaigns, the more I feel he has lost his way in terms of principals and basic values guiding him. I don't even trust him to appoint the right judges even though that thought has kept me thinking I will hold my nose and vote for him. He no longer seems authentic and is being controlled by the desire to be elected.

I am aware Obama and Hillary also do and say things to be elected. It just seems I am more aware of McCains inauthenticity, perhaps because his campaign doesn't seem to have a unifying theme.

You say you want a revolution....
I cannot fathom why there isn't some Conservative who could articulate to the American people our Conservative values? They would clean up "left" and "right" in each and every election. I'm not one of the Ron Paul groupies but I have to say he comes the closest to what we are asking for. The only problem with him is his isolationist views on foreign policy. I can overlook that more than I can the Liberal #@%&*!@ McCain. Why don't these so called "Republicants" just change their affiliation to Demoncrat?

How To Lose An Election
I hope my comments come across as objective observation but my impression of Mr. McCain's spiritual views are thusly:

He is an Episcoplian. That denomination is in turmoil over whether or not to ordain gay bishops. In fact, if anything, it's on the verge of coming apart.

Even if the denomination was intact, another influence is at work. Episcoplians are not evangelicals. What's worse is that they don't wear the name of Jesus on their sleaves as Rod Parsely and John Hagee. In fact, most of them are embarrassed to even mention the name of Jesus.

So, poor Mr. McCain is in trouble. He neither accepts nor understands Evangelicals. The two are completely foreign to each other. The only way he can be fully honest is to run as an Independent.

You say you want a revolution....
I cannot fathom why there isn't some Conservative who could articulate to the American people our Conservative values? They would clean up "left" and "right" in each and every election. I'm not one of the Ron Paul groupies but I have to say he comes the closest to what we are asking for. The only problem with him is his isolationist views on foreign policy. I can overlook that more than I can the Liberal #@%&*!@ McCain. Why don't these so called "Republicants" just change their affiliation to Demoncrat?

Guns, football and church
McCain, unlike Hagee and his flock, realizes there's more to life than guns, football and church. Jackson may be right - unfortunately!

What a dismal outlook, the American electorate forced into kowtowing to the red-necks in order to avoid the unacceptable likes of Hillary or the teenager, Obama. There is no hope!

WOLFPAT....WOULD.....APOSTLE PETER
Be a sufficient replacement for CHRIST? How about John the BAPTIST in case PETER is too busy
doing more holy things?
How about a RESURRECTED ,CLEANED UP "ELVIS"?
For those who are using a religious criteria to
determine who is worthy of the office of Pres.
welcome to Iraq,folks! Dummies!?!? Is this what
ROBT.(who I disagree with so often) means when
he says the far right loonies!!!?? He may have a good point? You know Ronald Reagan hardly ever went to church, and maybe hardly ever read the scriptures(?), or maybe didn't pray often(?)
yeah, I know, he believed in God, but no overwhelming evidence that he was a gung-ho
activist(SP)!!!!?
elvis

It's a miserable election
As someone wrote not long ago, it's a miserable election. And it's miserable because people of principal will lose. McCain's, policies and legislation will be crafted to appeal to the GOP's moderates/liberals, and to Democrats - not to Conservatives. The Conservatives left in the GOP, which are consistently less than 1/2 of the total membership, will be an increasingly isolated vote. Conservatives who vote for McCain will see the GOP move even further to the left - a trend accentuated by Bush and Rove. Conservatives will not be closer to returning the GOP to their principals, they will be further away, as they will have the same problem in 4 years, as they do today. And that is that in order to move the party back to their principals, the party will have to repudiate a sitting GOP president - McCain. And just as it refused to repudiate Bush in this election - it will not repudiate McCain in the next. Some claim that conservatives need to be voting for conservatives down the line. They are right - but when the national machinery and parties image is controlled by first Bush and Rove, and then McCain, you will often not even have the choice of voting for a conservative, as the candidates that the GOP and McCain will support, will be more likely to reflect their views, than those of conservatives. Never forget that it takes leadership to build a national conservative base. And right now, we have absolutely no leadership that consistently reflects Conservative views. GOP candidates down the line, in turn, will often be more likely to identify with the Bush - Rove - McCain perception of the GOP, than with the Conservative message - which they do not support.

Like I said - it's a miserable election.

kiddies fighting
now now kiddies. dont fight, play nice, on second thought i love it. mccain will split the six peole who vote for him in november between 187 candidates (if you include the write ins. i know thats too many but a lot of youn cant followinstructions.

Great Article
You said it so well,Harry. I have nothing to add but I am not going to waste a vote by writing in or voting Libertarian. That has been tried before. That would only put a Socialist Marxist in our White House for goodness sake. Just start trying to get the Republican Party back to the Reagan days. This next 4 years is a loser for the American citizens.

McCain
Every day, McCain keeps kicking his conservative base in the nads. Then he has the gall to ask his base for money because the libs he's been been cozying up to won't and never will support him. He's about the stupidest politician ever born. The more he talks the more his base is being forced to vote for a third party, no matter the cost.

Virginia ballot
Sgt. Relic,

The Libertarians are on the national ballot in Virginia, I believe. Will verify, sarge...
...looks like it! There's even a chance to get a Senatorial candidate on the ballot, as well.
Since I agree with liteside from Texas, the LP is looking good.
To vote Democrat or Republican for executive this fall is to get a socialist in the White House. I see only a few degrees difference between the leading candidates.
With the expected Democrat gains in the house and Senate, McCain would have to stay left just to give the appearance of being in charge.
For example, any SCOTUS choices he presented would have to be acceptable to the Democrats, hence, no Roberts, no Scalia. At best, more Souter and Stephens.
Norman,did you happen to see the Libertarian convention? If so, just wondering about your impression.

McCain's VP candidate
Brownback-yes, Jindal-yes, Huckabee-NO, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES NO. Huckabee would alienate many of the movement conservatives and the result would probably be as bad for the ticket (or nearly as bad) as losing the evangelicals.

Bucky

mccain, hagee and population ethics
the only real justification the author offers for his belief tha mccain should not have dumped those bigoted preachers is that each has a large constituency. so we now have population density ethics.
tell me what would you do if he had to decide whether to acept an endorsement from hitler who had a fantastically large base.?

McCain's destruction of his own Party
I voted and campaigned for Barry Goldwater back in 1964 and I am going to write in Huckabee in November.

As a conservative Christian I witness in horror how the Republican Party leaders have decided to make sure that we are totally destroyed in November.

The sad part is that in Obama we will be facing a totally inept person and it should have been extremely easy to beat him.

Its easy to predict that our losses will be devastating for The Party in November as we will loose probably at least five senators and a big number of representatives besides the White House.

Also, I feel like Ronald Reagan felt when he switched from Democrat to Republican.

The only problem is that I do not have the same choice as presently there is nowhere to go (Party to switch to).


traitorbill
This is the campaign of diminishing returns. I can only see three options.
A white McCain.
A female McCain.
or a black McCain.
I have no intention of voting for one of the McCain triplets.

McCain unable to woo conservatives
A conservative VP is window-dressing.

McCain shows he's not interested in conservatives, and this one has already made his choice not to vote Republican for president. Doesn't really matter what happens between now and then.

It's either sit it out or vote third party, which is a real possibility.

How can McCain avoid disaster?
The short answer to this question is that he can't, short of repudiating his entire campaign.

I for one wouldn't believe him if he did. McCain's only hope of winning in November rests on whether he can get left of center democrats to vote for him. Personally I think they will stick with Obama.

Whatever third party makes it on to the ballot in Virginia gets my vote.

McCain taking advise!
This was a super column. The advise is fabulous. The problem is the intended receptor. He is making every clasic mistake. Every time someone who is conservative or at least centrist the liberals eat him alive. McCain has not caught on. The receptor does not like suggestions. The non-receptor returns to the Senate with the other non-receptor (you guess who). We will have a black (that is great) far left (not good) President.

Nice Column
I'm glad to see that the RINO's have not completely overrun TH.

McCain had better not be counting on conservatives to support him in November, because it's not going to happen. I think that he's already factored that in, though, and figures that he can afford to lose us.

Good for him.

We'll see in November.

I'm leaning toward Bob Barr, now that he has the Libertarian nomination, but am trying to learn more about the other third party options. We're talking about the various options at my blog, trying to galvanize support behind a single third-party nominee.

Thanks for the clear-thinking, Mr. Jackson.

When liberal and conservatives
look at the alternatives in November, they'll vote.

VP?
"I'll reconsider voting for McCain if he picks a really great VP, but I just don't see it happening..."

I don't think Jesus Christ will take the slot. But if He does, I'll vote for McCain.

Five Stars, Sir . *****
John McCain's new adopted Logo :

The Panda. Why you ask?

Well, most folks will recognize the similarity between Panda and panderer.

A winning combination when you think of all those thrown under the wheels of "The Straight TAKE Express."

Chief strategists finally rejected the earlier logo of a GIANT pair of kiss-up-to-dems-lips, as being too suggestive.


Mr. Jackson writes:

"Although McCain is a seasoned politician, a war hero and a life long public servant, he has committed three unforgettable sins. The sins are:

1. Running from the principles that originally got you elected.

2. Siding with your enemies.

3. Alienating your base."

> I respectfully add # 4.

4. Being terminally stupid.


Mr. Jackson writes:

"Only a radical course correction can save McCain’s campaign! Can somebody send McCain a telegram or a smoke signal? It seems that e-mails and telephone calls are not getting through. "


O.K. Let's try a smoke signal... burn his butt in effigy



McCain had already lost this evangelical
Great analysis, Harry.

I'd already decided to vote Libertarian or Constitutional Party, and McCain has continued to make it worse since then. With the way he's going, I'd expect him to pick Justices like Souter or Stephens, not Roberts or Alito.

I'll reconsider voting for McCain if he picks a really great VP, but I just don't see it happening...
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