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Friday, May 15, 2009
Guy Benson :: Townhall.com Columnist
In Defense of Nancy Pelosi
by Guy Benson
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Poor Nancy Pelosi. For more than two years, our beloved House Speaker has been fighting for the public interest, toiling to restore “integrity and civility” to the Capitol’s lower chamber, and striving to shape the most ethical Congress in world history. And what is her reward for this selfless service? The cruel wrath of a vicious, widespread, nonpartisan conspiracy—designed to convince the American public that she is lying and playing politics with national security. This cabal is especially insidious because it involves so many disparate, and seemingly unrelated, players. Further still, its nefarious and remarkably prescient architects had the foresight to begin crafting the phony case against Pelosi years ago, fabricating evidence and coordinating lies as far back as 2002. These people must be exposed and thwarted to preserve Mme. Pelosi’s honor.

The first, and most obvious, group of co-conspirators is the GOP. As Pelosi pointed out at Thursday’s press conference—during which she exhibited her trademark unflappable demeanor and grasp of the facts—Republicans are exploiting the emergence of this manufactured scandal to distract the public from the real culprits: Themselves. “This is a diversionary tactic to take the spotlight off the people who conceived, developed, and implemented these policies, which all of us long opposed,” the Speaker explained, her face taut with what some observers described as righteous indignation.

Several specific Republicans have exhibited particularly dastardly behavior. Congressman Peter Hoekstra’s staff has informed journalists that the Michigan representative is seeking the release of memos he’s personally reviewed that clarify precisely what Pelosi was told during the infamous September 2002 CIA briefing on Enhanced Interrogation Techniques (EIT’s). Pelosi has been absolutely clear about what happened during that meeting, and it’s offensive that anyone would go out of his way to contradict her April 23, 2009 recollection: “At that, or any other briefing, we were not—I repeat—were not told that waterboarding or any of these other Enhanced Interrogation Methods were used.”

Yet Hoekstra spokesman Jamal Ware still claims that the memos the Congressman purportedly reviewed document that Pelosi was, in fact, briefed on multiple EIT’s, including waterboarding. Did Hoekstra simply not hear the Speaker’s remarks? She made it perfectly clear that she was not, repeat: was not, told about the use of these methods. Her’s is a much more forceful and straightforward assertion than his coy games involving yet-to-be-produced “memos.”

Next, we have the disgraceful Porter Goss. His complicity in the anti-Pelosi web is especially distressing considering Pelosi’s one-time admiration for the man. Back in September 2002, when Goss and Pelosi were the respective Republican and Democratic ranking members on the House Intelligence Committee, they both attended the briefing during which they were not, repeat: were not, told about waterboarding, etc. Two months later, Pelosi took to the House floor to praise her colleague: “We always put national security first, so our work [in committee] is generally conducted in a bipartisan way, and never more so than under the leadership of our chairman, Mr. Goss.”

Now that Operation: Nuke Nancy has commenced, Goss’ bipartisan façade has melted away, revealing a snarling partisan pitbull determined to “recall” details that contradict Pelosi’s truthful account. Writing in the Washington Post, Goss now claims he is:

“Slack-jawed to read that members claim to have not understood that the techniques on which they were briefed were to actually be employed; or that specific techniques such as ‘waterboarding’ were never mentioned…Let me be clear. It is my recollection that: [We] were briefed that the CIA was holding and interrogating high-value terrorists. We understood what the CIA was doing. We gave the CIA our bipartisan support.”

This Congressman-cum-CIA director-cum-witch-hunt enabler will have much to answer for when Pelosi’s truth commission confirms her innocence.

The plot also includes (naturally) the Central Intelligence Agency itself. What else would we expect from an entity that Pelosi candidly accused of misleading Americans “all the time”? At the front lines of the disinformation campaign were the deceitful, Bush-loyalist operatives who in 2002 lied to Pelosi by “notifying” her that waterboarding was not, repeat: was not, taking place. Of course we now know that Abu Zubaydah had actually been subjected to the torturous ordeal less than a month before the CIA’s perverse falsehoods were relayed to Pelosi.

Fortunately, being the pragmatic leader that she is, The Speaker shrewdly waited to go public with this detail until this past week. She held back until the ideal moment to drop her truth-to-power/self-vindicating bombshell. If she had tipped her hand in 2005 when EIT’s were first revealed to the public, she would have surely divulged one of her most dramatic facts, thus providing The Conspiracy with almost four additional years to concoct fake evidence to refute it. Well played.

We ought not ignore the current government collaborators: Those who are peddling undoubtedly forged memos that dispute Pelosi’s airtight story. The CIA, led by Obama appointee Leon Panetta, provided one such “report” from 2002 to the US Senate earlier this month. It read:

“The report details a September 4, 2002 meeting between intelligence officials and Pelosi…the meeting is described as a ‘briefing on the EIT’s including use of EIT’s on Abu Zubaydah, background on authorities, and a description of particular EIT’s that had been employed.”

This could be the most sinister element of the entire enterprise. Elements of the US intelligence community literally prepared a patently false document in 2002 to contrive “proof” of lies set to be put into motion seven years later. However, this bundle of slander does not square with Speaker Pelosi’s unambiguous statement of fact that she was not, repeat: was not, briefed on any Enhanced Interrogation Methods at that or any other meeting. Good grief, if Pelosi hadn’t been so thoroughly and convincingly honest on April 23, 2009, perhaps The Conspiracy would be denting her credibility.

Finally, there’s the news media. Its involvement, active or otherwise, in the perpetuation of this scheme has been scandalous. Two outlets deserve special condemnation: ABC News and The Washington Post. (Note that these news agencies just happen to collaborate on public opinion polls. Coincidence? Speaker Pelosi thinks not). ABC News’ Rick Klein and Jake Tapper, likely at the behest of The Conspiracy’s moneymen, have taken the lead in reporting every convenient “development” as the plot unfolds. Their “journalism” has rocketed around the famously unreliable right-wing blogosphere, whipping the extremist teabaggers who read those sites into a frenzy. The Post has been even more irresponsible. Not only did it print Goss’ fantasy as a serious Op-Ed, it also planted the seeds for the current anti-Pelosi effort years ago. In December 2007, WaPo/Neo-Pravda reported:

“In September 2002 (My goodness, these lies are ruthlessly consistent) four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in US custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, was given a virtual tour of…the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk. Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding…”

Perhaps if Pelosi hadn’t been tirelessly pursuing her job of “[changing] the leadership in Congress and in the White House—the Congress part,” at the time, she would have spotted and fired back at this misleading article. In fact, it may have proven a golden opportunity to first uncork the “CIA lied to me!” truth tornado. Alas, Speak Pelosi mustered a Herculean effort to resist the overwhelming temptation to respond, keeping her powder dry for another year and a half. Again—very cunning.

Despite Speaker Pelosi’s unparalleled reservoir of political street smarts, she can only hold off the barbarians for so long. Some recent developments indicate that the devious plotters may have infiltrated both the White House and Steny Hoyer’s office, meaning Pelosi will increasingly rely on her fellow citizens alone to affirm the gospel of her heavily parsed public statements.

But there is a light at the end of this tunnel of deceit. When the Speaker’s ethical, civil, integrity-filled truth commission exonerates her, and exposes The Conspiracy for what it is, she will forever smile on those who stood by her side during these difficult days. It may be difficult to discern whether her face is actually smiling, but trust her, it will be. Until then, we must unite to SOS: Save our Speaker, the last outpost of honest dealings in Washington, from this cesspool of rank dishonesty.

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One thing is sure...

SOMEBODY'S LYING.

Whether it is Nancy Pelosi, or the CIA, at this point, no one knows...

One thing is sure...

As much at the Democrats in Congress, and the robber baron in the White House would like this to go away, Pelosi's is an accusation that cannot simply be brushed aside.

To make the allegation that the Central Intelligence Agency officials are guilty of lying to, or "misleading" Congressional oversight committee members, is a very serious allegation and has tremendous National Security implications.

Nancy Pelosi, in making this charge, leaves NO other recourse for the sake of our national security, than there to be a full and independent investigation of her charge that the CIA is alleged to have "lied" to Congress!

Regardless of who is thought by whom, to be telling the truth, this IS NOT a personal matter between finger-pointers on either side of the political spectrum that will be resolved in the court of public opinion or Zogby polling data.

Whomever the "liar" is found to be, should be exposed and prosecuted to the FULL extent of the law.

This administration and the Democrat leadership in this country has, since the elevation of the Barack Hussein Obama, been farcical at best and completely irrational and destructive at worst.

Such an allegation as has been made by Nancy Pelosi, to be replayed on media outlets the world over (including the terrorist training grounds of our enemies) MUST be resolved with equal openess in disclosing which party involved is telling the truth, and which is lying to the American people and the world.
There is no negotiating that fact. The stakes are too high.

For the sake of the national security of the United States of America, there is no "moving on" until Pelosi's fantastical and libelous allegations have been either confirmed or proven false.


Speaker Pelosi
will have to be subjected to my favorite Enhanced Interrogation Technique, being questioned under oath, if we are to determine which version of her stories is most likely true.

We win, hands down
The torture lovers have Cheyne, Mr. 5 deferments, and Rush, Mr. Boil on his rump, and those against have Ronald Reagan, McCain, war hero, and General Petraeus. Chalk one up for real conservatives.


U.S. signs UN convention against torture | US Department of State Bulletin

President Ronald Reagan attached the following message to the U.S. Senate recommending ratification of the Convention Against Torture (which the Senate ratified) (emphasis added):

MESSAGE TO THE SENATE, MAY 20, 1988.sup.1


By giving its advice and consent to ratification of this Convention, the Senate of the United States will demonstrate unequivocally our desire to bring an end to the abhorrent practice of torture.

RONALD REAGAN

once Att Taft.
Once, Of course we know "for sure".

Pelosi is lying because ALL commieqrs lie, it is inherent in the breed because you HAVE to lie to YOURSELF first about Fact, Truth, Reality, and CHOOSE Bigotry, Hatred and Prejudice instead in order to BE a commieqr.


TAffy,

You got absolutely NO evidence that, given identical circumstances, the RR admin would not have reached IDENTICAL conclusions that WB was NOT barred under the conventions. You know what he DID, not what he WOULD have done.
As to Mac the Knife the anti-conservative--he certainly is YOURS, Taffy, but he AIN'T no Conservative. We went all through this in the election. See my The Big Mick Blog, the REAL REAGAN Conservatives, Coulter, Keyes, many others DETAILED how much of a CINO McAin't was.

Say, is he your "Master and Commander" in the same B&D sense that he's Ranger Robber 69's?

mick

The Gauntlet
Nancy Pelosi could not have issued a more inflammatory challenge to the CIA than to accuse them of "misleading" congress and the public with regularity. Methinks that Dear Speaker shant rid her shoes of the doo-doo in which she stepeth.

I have no way of knowing how the public at large is perceiving the glaring lies from Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and the cast of thousands of MSM sycophants.

Rumor has it that the 4th of July "Tea Parties" will make the ones on Tax Day pale in comparison. If so, Dear Leader and Dear Speaker et al had best figure out a new line, the old one isn't working worth a damn.

the LIAR CLASS
Guy, do you honestly believe the diahreal BS that comes out of your mouth? You are as bad a LIAR as COMRADE NANCY!

Somebody's Lying
. . . and should be fired or impeached. I'd like it to be Pelosi, which makes me a little careful. The alternative does seem to be that she was so stupid that she wasn't paying attention to what was being clearly told to her, which is arguably worse.
Either way, now the Dems own the waterboarding fuss just as much as the Republicans. That is more likely to lead to it being swept under the rug more than anything else.
Too bad the damage to our country and the endangerment of our troops and citizens has already been done.

Fancy Nancy can really blame this all
on King Elect O who started with ending the war in the Middle East with a snap of his fingers,

and closing Gitmo with a swipe of his signature on a royal edict (oops, exec. order),

and the his *nodding* toward *truth commissions*

and his interest in displaying old detention pix (whereupon his royalness was dead stopped by a Pentagon that said it would quit),

and now he has produced the complete crash of the Speaker of the House who was the idiot who concocted the *stimulus* for which there is no money.

What a happy situation for all.

Go to teapartypatriots.org for a tea party near you. I'm going to another on the 4th of July and have reserved a room in DC for the demonstrstion there on Sept. 12. A really approporiate day. If we could put a million on the Mall, the Big O would have a hard time not seeing us then.

A Badge of Honor
In the times that try mens souls, as Thomas Paine professed to, and he did in his way in cloke profess to every one that could read that there are men that deserve praise. There are men of honor. Men of heart. He knew one when he saw one. Those men of heart that he not only knew but in large part taught, culminated in more than 300 who alone were destined to lead a nation under God to the forefront of history.

Guy Benson your wisdom may have earned you a place along side men of honor.

In N.Ps world only good Libs & bad Cons!
Nancys one track mind is working overtime to save her sorry self! She, along with her idol Obama have greatly divided our country. How many naive, trusting citizens believed their false spin to win the vote?! A new kind of politics, with 'unity' between the Partys etc,.
Should I laugh now or wait awhile, Ha!

(cough, cough)
I sure hope that was satire, otherwise you could send it Huffpo.

Robert, that suggestion she just was not paying attention is so unsettling that I did not consider it.

1) She is a liar

2) She was too busy campaigning to attend the meetings where waterboarding was discussed

3) She was not paying attention

What a great set of excuses.

Satire yes but misplaced!
The obvious answer is she was sleeping during these briefings; she hasn’t been able to shut her eyes for decades because of the Botox.
Let’s give here a break she means well.
Right wingers are just trying to smear her, we all know Leon Panetta’s right wing slant.


What else is new?
Nancy and her flying monkeys have been pulling this stunt since 9/11/01. First, be for the war, then against it. Vote for the Patriot Act, then blame the Republicans for the backlash. Vote for the 87 billion before you vote against it. Push the CIA to do 'what it takes' to prevent a recurrence, then when things die down (thanks President Bush), be indignant at the steps used, that YOU KNEW ABOUT, that prevented attacks and saved American lives.

The only Democrat with any principles here is Jane Harmen, who at least wrote to the CIA to voice her opposition. The hippie from SF is just a two-faced lying POS just trying (badly) to cover her butt.

Looking Into the Graveyards of Soldiers
To Mrs Pelosi: History is larger than you. You in all that is right and fair in this life took an oath. It is an oath that is sacred, and founded on the sacrifice of those that established this nation. "To defend." If it means nothing leave. If it means something leave in honor.

To the CIA: An oath to this country. You are the first line of defense. In honor and in memory of those of you who have died serving this country I ask this? Have you no rememberance of them? Have you no dignity? My children depend upon not only your dignity, but your honor.

To the FBI: Ditto...: )

To President Obama: The overwhelming weight of Presidents of this country rest now inside of you. The blood, sacrifice, and honor of untold numbers of American patriots, now gone, are watching you.

As am I.

What's the difference if she lied.
Over half this country are Democrats. They certainly don't care if a fellow Democrat lies or cheats or steals. As long as the DEM union thugs get their way, as long as Democrat women can legally kill their kids, and as long as DEM minorities get their preferential treatment and hand outs, they'll never care.

Very good article Mr. Benson.
However, you did forget to mention the final piece to the puzzle. The next big piece of news on this matter will be Ms. Pelosi's future memorable statement, one that will be placed in the history books for all time.

"It depends on what the meaning of NOT is."

She did NOT lie, if you understand the true meaning of the word NOT.

BTW, DanNV@07:04 PM, your quote is a priceless piece of prose; "Methinks that Dear Speaker shant rid her shoes of the doo-doo in which she stepeth." You might consider getting a copyright on that one.


jeff,
Not so anymore. As of today, even some dems are calling for her to step down for the good of the party. Get that, for the good of the party, not for the good of the country. We all know where their loyalty lies!!! Ms. Piglosy should just tell the truth that she DID know about it and lied and step down for the good of ALL in this great nation!!!

Culture...of...corruption
This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Time to rid ourselves of ALL incumbents and start fresh.

Nanny State Pelousy
This haggy harridan wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit her on her botox.

However, as a member of the Charlatan-of-the-White-House inner circle she is first and foremost interested in her own political survival. The safety, security and welfare of this once-great Republic are not on her radar. Self-preservation for her is always job # 1, regardless of how many lies she tells the American public.

Pelousy is a national disgrace and should be removed from her position as Liar-Of-The-House, without unnecessary delay. We have enough liars, frauds and mountebanks in and surrounding 1600 Pennsylvania, we should give a helping shove to those who do not serve the best interests of the nation.

Pelosi and Benson
Are we talking about the same person?
or is there another Pelosi according to Mr. Benson. Isnt it true that congress lies to us
all the time?

Feel Sorry!
She is lying and deserves all she gets!

The scariest thing is..
Just think, boys and girls, this lying moron is third in line for the Presidency. Could you possibly imagine the horror if that happened? She needs to go- NOW.

Not Gonna Work
This is not gonna work. Even if the worst things that Republicans are saying about Pelosi are true, it will do nothing to help the Reputation of Bush Administration Officials involved in this troubling episode in our history.

If there is an full investigation it will not be pretty for the former Bush Administration and their approach to the war on terror. You may yet be able to prove that Pelosi and the Dems went along for fear of being perceived as being soft on terror, but they can never be made to own this as it was not their policy and at best they were only informed with no legal way to challenge this or to have their staff's do a thought invetigation of the legal implications of these policies.

The smoking gun is always gonna end up being pointed back at the Bush administration and even more freightenly not at the oval office, but at the Vice President's office.

500 million
Well gosh, Pelosi also was heard - you can see for yourselves - that if the Stimula package wasn't purchased, that "500 MILLION (empahsis hers) American jobs would be lost every month.

And you know what? Last month, I lost at least six of my 30 jobs! Just like most Americans.

The oil isn't even registering on this human dipstick.

Jeff_WI "They certainly don't care if a

fellow Democrat lies or cheats or steals."

Well, apparently Leon Panetta cares a LOT!!!


"Panetta to CIA employees: We told Pelosi the truth

"CIA Director Leon Panetta just sent a stern message to his employees defending the agency against Speaker Nancy Pelosi's criticisms.

"His message: We didn't mislead Congress; stay focused on your job.

"Panetta's note was sent to reporters via the CIA press office. Here's the key graph:

"Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing “the enhanced techniques that had been employed.” Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened."



DO YOU THINK ......

N.P. will ever answer a question precisely and clearly?
........................................................................

Do you think N.P. will stop those nutty gestures? The hand slice thing? The tomahawk chops? She looks like Janeane Garofalo on steroids.
.......................................................................

Do you think she's contemplating her political future? Hey, mayor of S.F. is a terrific job. Let's wish her well and hope she straightens that city out.








JMO51 NY
Are you being extremely sarcastic or do you truly believe the crap you just wrote?

A Poem

There once was a house speaker named ‘Nancy’.
As a politician she thought herself quite fancy.
But when caught in her own web,
She claimed the CIA fibbed.
Now she’s doing the ol’ Tap Dancey.

Guy Benson
Who is this guy? Does he believe his blather? Can't he watch Nancy Pelosi and not realize she is a habitual and self-confessed liar? This must be very embarrassing to Benson, Pelosi, the House of Representatives, the Senate, President Obama and Mrs. President Michelle Obama! There is not one American in 300,000,000 who does not see that Nancy Pelosi is lying. Nancy Pelosi must love Guy Benson!

Panetta is a Clintonista
Don't think Hillary's people are pro-the-O. They are biding their time to get back into Clinton power.

But for Nancy: live by the sword die by the sword.

She has shrieked *Republican culture of corruption* since Abramoff, which was one lobbyist,

whereas the Dems. have the entire ACORN voting fraud criminal cases (maybe stealing the election),
*environmental* parasites,
the obscene *gay* movement,
the abortion promoters (51% just told Gallup they call themselves pro-life),
and a culture of no national security,
no growth,
no energy,
no business,
and no tax relief, but everything taken to boost power and money for Dems.

Eventually, all of that bilge comes home. For Nancy, who is a millionaire hotel and vineyard owner who does NOT employ union workers, her constant obfuscation about the CIA and detainee treatment is just one facet of her *ssbackwards pol. life.

CA should send her home as NV is going to eliminate Reid's job.

And let’s thank the rotten MSM that for once has seen something hypocritical, lying, and fraudulent in a Dem.
Look at Murtha's private airport built with $100's of millions of tax money.

ROFLMAO
A great blood pumping artical for a first read in the am !!!! Bravo, Bravo, Wow I bet it sucks to be Mr. pelosi, or OMG...what if she had children???? those poor, poor kids, can one imagine what kind of warped sence of values these poor kids had to grow up with???
She knew, and if she didn't then she had no place being on that commity..
If she was that easly { misled } then she also has no place being third in line to the prez.
Any way ya cut this pie, Pelosi needs to go...
in fact every dem and repub needs to go so that the next bunch knows for a fact america will no longer buy into their BS

uwcharlie and others
Benson's article is satire. Very well done, I think. All the "repeat..NOT"(s) gives it away.

memos
These people can't have it both ways. Either they were informed of the tactics, or not. Let's get these memos out and find out the truth and have this over with! I do not, I repeat not, believe they (N.P. and Dems.) were in the dark about this. Lies, lies, lies, yeah.

Nasty Nancy
Can we discuss the treasonist behaviors of this albatross? I am still wondering what she did to get this seat. Will someone expose that truth?

I loved this article!

partisian politics
Partisian politics,as much as the libidiots have lied and some of the people believe,this is no big deal.When a president can lie under oath why can`t a speaker of the house get into the action.Why expect anything different from Washington these days be they democrats or rebublicans.Term limits now and forever.

Maybe She can Wag Her Finger Too
Reminicent of Bill Clinton lying about having sex with Monica Lewinski.

Um...I don't think uwcharlie gets sarcasm. The article only screams it with the force of a runaway flashflood.

She's a pig. Too bad we are stuck with the witch. That is unless some unruly terrorists nuke San Fran and relieve it of it's uber liberal social/fascist voters who keep her in office. Sigh.

Peli lies like a rug
Like the typical politician. She can't separate truth from fiction.

If the Prez can only serve 2 terms then the Congress should only be allowed 2 terms. There's no good argument for these career politicians EVER.

And there's no reason to provide lifetime retirement for them either. Let them go back to work like the rest of us!

P. P. - Poor Pelosi
P. P. P. Put Pelosi out to Pasture

This Article
cuts like a life, I repeat, like a saber,I repeat like a dagger. Keep up the great work! Nancy was caught with her bloomers down.

pelosi
Boy,I have NEVER read an article where the author was as one-sided as this article.It's almost as if Benson is on pelosi's payroll,or else,she wrote the article herself!!

pelosi
the woman just keeps digging the hole deeper.Pretty soon it will be too deep for her to excape,and then we will have her exactly where she needs to be-out of the way so she can no longer do damage to our great country.

Pelosi contemplating
her political future. Yes, but not S.F. Mayor. She has her sight on Pres of the U.S. and she hopes to get out of the pickle she's in so she can move up. God forbid!

That Lying CIA
Listening to Speaker Pelosi's recollection of her time on the Intelligence committee, I can't help feeling a sense of deja vu; all those dot com and bail-out CEO's testifying before congress that they really didn't know what was going on. If Speaker Pelosi is stating the truth, it shows more than anything she should not have been on the committee in the first place, since apparently nothing said provoked any questions on her part. She has thrown down the gauntlet in her accusation the CIA deliberately lied to her. If so, then she has to "out" those who briefed her and press for them being brought up on criminal charges. Perhaps once we have emptied Gitmo of all those poor detainees, we can fill it back up with Bush administration, CIA and military personnel who all contributed to trying to keep our country safe. When the next large-scale 911 occurs, she and her party can take great satisfaction our principles are still intact.

Pelosi's Defense
The best I've read since Jonathan Swift. Thanks very much.

Poor Nancy
Poor Nancy has had so much botox injected into her face, it's invaded what little brain she has. Either that or she's been imbibing a little too much product from one of the numerous San Fran potshops.

Jaymay
UWCharlie #24 should have had his coffee before reading. At least I hope that is his problem!

On the other hand....,JMO51 #23 can drink copious amounts of java and still post nonsense, as usual.

Be glad when she is gone!
Even the Democrats know she should be dumped, along with Reid, Frank, Schumer, Waters.

Speaker Pelosi's Memory is lacking
''Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive''
Sir Walter Scott, Marmion, Canto VI, Stanza 17.

Best thing about being truthful, you don't have to remember all the versions of the lies you have told. There is a reason why the word "grity" is in the word "INTEGRITY," it can be damn uncomfortable being truthful, and standing by your words when you are between a rock and a hard place.

Elizabeth in Pa
I agree....It is EXTREMELY SIMPLE. Just bring out the memos. They will tell the story minus the BS. OH YEA, while we are bringing out documents to find the truth, Bring out Barry's birth certificate. We need to clear the air on a LOT of things. If neither of these two LIARS have nothing to hide, bring out the documents. NO MORE tap dancing.
But alas.......THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.

whoops
that should be....if either of these two liars

Hilarious!
Best description of the beleagured Speaker of the House we'll ever read. Sign me up for the SOS club.

Very Witty
Hilarious article...why is it the Dems always accuse the Republicans of what the Dems are guilty of, or of the strategies that the Dems use. Poor Nancy - it's another right wing conspiracy rearing its head!

Best qualified
I cannot think of any person who better represents the principles, ideals and vision of the dumbocratic party than chairman pe-loser other than possibly the lemming-in-chief himself. I certainly hope she retains her current position as madame of our government bawdy house at least through October, 2010. Besides her skills are much needed by the aforementioned boss rodent since as long as she retains her present job, the life insurance premiums for him and his heir apparent remain at a minimum thus saving us taxpayers a significant amount of cash, possibly even enough to reduce the time needed to repay government debt by a trillionth of a trillionth of a second. Additionally, her wise use of cosmetics suggests that in these economically challenging times, that industry greatly depends on her personal stimulus program.

Pelosi
The title was misleading. Excellent article. She is caught and even by some Democrats. Great. It couldn't happen to a more apt subject.
Donald W. Bales

Bravo Guy!
Well Speaker Pelosi has truly become transparent - finally. What a governmental laughing stock. You can not make up this kind of fiasco. Her denial speech is Saturday Night Live comedic genius - Truth Commission.

Buddy Fisher

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GOOD JOB
MAYBE IT WOULD BE NICE TO MUSTER UP A RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY.WE NEED SOMETHING.
CAN BO TUX SEEP INTO THE BRAIN?HER EFFERVESCENT SMILE WILL BE MISSED.

I hate the sarcasm here!!!
This whole Pelosi/CIA fiasco - again - is George Bush's fault. He did not have the briefings being conducted "dumbed down " enough so that Nancy could understand them. I can't wait to see the universal health care system this simpleton designs.

Totally Confused
If waterboarding isn’t torture, and not illegal, what difference does it make if Nancy Pelosi knew about it or not? Now there seems to be a need to condemn Nancy Pelosi for her complicity in knowing about waterboarding. So are the Bush apologists now admitting that it is, indeed, torture?

Which is it guys?! It’s hard to keep track of where the right wingers are on this issue without a scorecard!

I, for one, believe — adamantly — that if Pelosi or any Democrat enabled Bush and Cheney to torture suspects, those Democrats should be held accountable, but not until after Bush, Cheney, Condi Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, John Ashcroft, George Tenet, John Yoo and Jay Bybee and any other architects of the torture regime are held to account.

The best course of action now for Pelosi is to investigate Bush-Cheney war crimes. Not only would the investigation clear her name, it would shore up her support among the liberal law-and-order base.

Duplicitous Hag Pelosi
Even for a (UGH!!!) politician she has taken the less than flattering definition of that class of slime to a new low.

The queen of duplicity is also pushing the green agenda very hard. Doesn't sound so bad, you say? On the surface, no. However, it's the major conflict of interest that’s in play here where she and other cronies are drafting legislation that will steer business to the very companies they have already invested in. Besides the conflict of interest of enriching herself this way it also has probable negative consequences to the public because the solutions that will be produced by these companies are not necessarily the “the best for the most” nor the ideal balance desired when it comes to impact on the environment. She is, in effect, force-fitting solutions from few sources rather than open competition from all sources and a neutral selection process that fits the “best for the most” and the balance criteria. Ethanol production from corn is a blatant example of politicians pushing and steering legislation to benefit mostly themselves (ethanol production from corn is VERY inefficient, disrupts food production, AND has serious consequences for the environment in comparison to other already proven methods that were purposely disregarded).

Jeffrey
You are totally confused - let me try to explain. The point is that Comrade Pelosi has maintained that this type of interrogation was conducted in secret, when in fact - she was onboard with the waterboard all along.

I see you are from Michigan - how has thirty years on liberal democrat government worked out for your state?

Joel-De Oppresso Liber:
I’m with you. But it’s so unfair to hold our elected officials to the same standards required of our Armed Forces. So I looked up the oath taken by The President. I blatantly copied these passages from a now demonstrably defunct piece of paper at one time quaintly referred to as “The Constitution of the United States”:

Article. II. - Section 1:
“Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he (The President) shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Article. VI.
“This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.”

“The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; ...”

Unfortunately, since obumassiah has already confessed that the Office of President of these United States is above his pay grade and that his talents can be compared to a Special Olympics Athlete, the phrase “to the best of my Ability” arguably provides him and his remoras a legal loophole.

Gill O’Teen

re: You have got to be kidding!!!!
Look, this idiot needs to go and left out in the cold for the buzzards!!! This idiot along with the rest of the clowns that knew what was going on and now they are going to save their own kesters at all costs!!! There is no need to defend this clown or the other idiots in the WH, it is all on them and if you can't see this then you sir are drinking large amounts of KOOL-ADE!!!!

Lies
How can you tell when Nancy Pelosi lies?.............everytime you see her lips move. Our troops are enduring the same waterboarding as part of training. Why has no one cried out in their behalf. Because it ain't torture but rather people suffering from BDR.

Obama Will Be The Winner of Pelosi-gate
Whether or not enhanced interrogations are torture or not are of little consequence to Barack Vladimir Hussein Soweto Obama now that he is in office. His eye is on pushing America as far into a Euro-Socialist state as possible before the 2010 elections. The demagoguery over "torture" was just red meat for the moonbat kooks in the Democrat party. Obama will let Pelosi hang herself and may well help tie the noose. That way, he appears to be the post-partisan public servant he claims to be. He will still have a Statist as Speaker of the House whether its Steny Hoyer or another American Bolshevik. Pelosi needs to go on principle. Obama needs her to go to protect his sprint to Utopia.

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Craig
Exactly - the Panetta statement was the que for Pravda...er I mean the adoring press to turn on Pelosi - she's dead meat.

Dumbing It Down For Jeffrey #61
It's pretty simple, my delusional liberal amigo. Most Conservatives still believe the enhanced interrogations were legal, legitimate and productive. Notice how they do not want to discuss the information that was gained from the tactics?

The issue now is Nancy Pelosi's lies. She called the tactics "torture" and "war crimes" yet she and members of her party knew exactly what was being done. The fact that she has told about seven different versions of the story pretty much seals her status as Liar of the House. She is putting her idea of political gain ahead of national security and the safety of American civilians and soldiers abroad.

Conservatives haven't changed their position. They are simply holding Madame Pelosi to account for hers. Understand?

Jeffrey Location: MI:
You are indeed confused. You might try drinking the sugarless kool-aid instead of its obesity inducing counterpart. The whole point is that madame pe-loser is a liar and a hypocrite and a traitor, and she would throw you into shark infested waters if she thought that it would gain her a net increase in valuable re-election votes.

Gill O'Teen

At the NRA Convention yesterday,
whenever Pelosi's or Reid's names were mentioned in the Leadership Forum, spontaneous booing and derision erupted. The biggest negative response was for Dianne Fienstien, which was the loudest and longest. The greatest acclamation and sustained applause was when Michael Reagan mentioned his Dad.

No mention of Snowe, Collins or Specter, but just an oversight by the speakers, I'm sure. Dick Morris was thorough and very funny. He is starting up a grass roots movement to unseat RINO's.

Mitt Romney was very impressive - had notes which he referred to several times, but spoke from the heart, with conviction, not utilizing the teleprompter. Wouldn't it have been great to see him debate Obama? It would have been like a college professor talking to a 3rd grader.

McCain got a polite reception. He was his usual dry and uninspiring self. I spent his talk listing the multitude of stupid stuff he's done in the last few years with the guy seated behind me. Besides trotting out with Jon Carry to call for new gun controls the day after Columbine, McCain/Fiengold, Gang of 14, climate change baloney and many others were mentioned.

It was good to listen to J. D. Hayworth's radio show on the way home. Many of us are pushing him to oppose McCain in the next primary, but he's still considering whether to get into politics again.

Blind Allegiance
Who wrote this biased diatribe, Mel Gibson? It reminds me of his performance in the movie "Conspiracy Theory". It appears that Mr. Benson's personal love or admiration for the Speaker has overridden his objectivity.

As Americans we should know that politicians lie as a way of life. That includes Democrats, Republicans, the CIA, Obama, and everyone else we have to rely on to manage our governmental affairs. Personal agendas reign supreme.

Benson casts doubt on his own assertions at the outset. Why would "disparate and seemingly unrelated players" conspire 7 years ago to target and discredit an individual member of Congress? And why Pelosi? One can be certain that the truth is not being told in many quarters. Benson says more than once that Pelosi will be vindicated by her truth commission. Time will tell. At this point some Congressmen offer purported memoranda while Pelosi relies solely on her memory. I for one would welcome as inquiry that might disclose who is truthful and who is not. Let the chips fall, as the saying goes.

Regardless of the outcome Benson's article serves to illustrate the danger and folly of blind allegiance to any politician. It only makes you look like a fool.


Mike in TX @ 9:41 a.m.


You can bet Miss Tomahawk Hands will soon be chopping away with statments like this:

"This whole thing is the fault of President Bush. I have papers on that. Now where did I put them. You see Bush was talking and I..... I mean he was in the room and I.....now where are those papers. Here, watch me, I'll explain with tomahawk chops. When I chop down like this it means I'm right and when I chop across like that it also means I'm right. O.K.?"



In Defense of Nancy Pelosi
This woman is the most disingenuous, partisan political hypocrite there is! Her selective memory in waging relentless war against the Bush Administration is frightening! She knows no shame in her efforts to increase her power and privilege as Speaker. She is more into serving herself and her vested interests than in serving as a national leader in the public's interest. She is now caught in the deceitful web of her own making. If she had any integrity or honor whatever, she would at least step down as Speaker, if not resign altogether. There is no doubt she is a serious liability to Obama and his administration, one they should surely come to realize if they have not already done so.

Mike
You are correct about the Panetta statement being a death knell for San Fran Nan. She is not in the Clinton inner circle or in Obama's Chicago mafia. She is not a movement leader. Have you ever heard anyone call themselves a Pelosi Democrat? She brings nothing to the table for Barack Vladimir Hussein Soweto Obama, so she is expendable. Purging the incomeptent and ineffective within their own ranks is a time-honored tradition among socialists.

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Ma-DAMN Speaker...
Pelosi is among the worst of political partisans, and a liar. Had a Republican, ANY Republican, mishandled Congress and lied so blatantly to the American public he or she would have been hounded from the Speakership within weeks.
Pelosi must go! On to Reid!

T. C.
ROFL!

Great Column
Please post this over at Kos. You will get great accolades from that crew since this is exactly what they believe!

Mike
“The point is that Comrade Pelosi has maintained that this type of interrogation was conducted in secret, when in fact - she was onboard with the waterboard all along.”

I can’t make sense of that comment.

How is it a problem if she lied about knowing about it? If waterboarding isn’t torture, and was legal until the Senate made it illegal in 2008, then how is she complicit in anything? How can she be an accessory to a legal act? Was she under oath? If she lied about how much she weighs, is she also in hot water?

And if it was illegal and in violation of President Reagan’s anti-torture statute, as well as the Geneva Conventions, then there are a lot of people in way more trouble than a ranking minority member of a House committee. This Pelosi issue is a total red herring if ever there were one.

“I see you are from Michigan - how has thirty years on liberal democrat government worked out for your state?”

I’m not from Michigan, I just live here. I think liberal democratic government has worked well. Michigan is one of the top three managed state governments in the country, according to the US Council of Governments. Our economy sucks but that’s because of the conservative rich people running the auto industry, who wouldn’t know how to design and build a high quality, competitive car if their lives depended on it.

Leftists will think this is true!!!
Pretty good satire, but believe me, the Illiterate and Ignorant Leftists will believe that this is true, as they do not understand Satire.

Guy Benson
This typically what they call reporting when it is taking sides.There is no reason to get nasty on either side and all we need is the release of the section of transcript that shows what was actually said. Recollections are fine but they can be wrong on either side.This whole thing can be resolved in minutes but since facts don't count but politics does, we will be harping about this to the bitter end.If transcripts of any sort exist, lets see them and see them now.There is no national security risik in doing that.

The Political Abortion of Nancy Pelosi
Nancy Pelosi is about to be aborted herself...from the democratic party
http://jeannie-ology.com/?p=1854

Craig in VA
Let me see if I can dumb it down FOR YOU. Waterboarding is torture. The only people who say it isn’t are people who haven’t experienced it. Even that tough guy Sean Hannity has so far reneged on his pledge to get waterboarded for charity. I wonder why.

“Most Conservatives still believe the enhanced interrogations were legal, legitimate and productive. Notice how they do not want to discuss the information that was gained from the tactics?”

Then how is Nancy Pelosi guilty of anything? She’s an accomplice to a legal act? Whether waterboarding obtained useful information or not is irrelevant to whether or not it is torture. It can’t not be torture if used on an enemy, but it is torture if I use it on my next door neighbor, and I suspect I would go to jail if I used it involuntarily against my next door neighbor.

“The issue now is Nancy Pelosi's lies.”

Why? Was she under oath? Waterboarding and other enhanced tactics are legal. If they’re legal, she’s guilty of being misinformed or ignorant. That pretty much applies to all of us at one time or another and we don’t get a media frenzy for it.

“The fact that she has told about seven different versions of the story pretty much seals her status as Liar of the House. She is putting her idea of political gain ahead of national security and the safety of American civilians and soldiers abroad.”

You got all that out of her claiming she wasn’t informed by the CIA that they were waterboarding? What about the Senator from Florida, Mr. Graham, who also says the CIA didn’t tell them they were actually using waterboarding? He corroborates her story.

“Conservatives haven't changed their position. They are simply holding Madame Pelosi to account for hers. Understand?”

No, I don’t. If it’s legal, then what is she guilty of? The conservatives’ position is therefore the same as if she lied about her weight, or what she had for dinner last night. Her lie is immaterial, not criminal.

another lib too hateful to admit the tru
# 79 "Our economy sucks but that’s because of the conservative rich people running the auto industry, who wouldn’t know how to design and build a high quality, competitive car if their lives depended on it. "

Right you are! The UAW that gets their members triple the hourly wages of those at Toyota, Mercedes etc but they are not culpable at all! It's the eeeevil conservatives! And it was those "evil" cons that made Detroit's Mayor into a criminal, right? And Michigan's Democrat controlled state government did the best they could, but the bad Repubs who have no power in Michigan caused all of the problems, right?
One more question for you...Is Mercedes or a Honda a "competitive car"? Are you saying that they fit this description because these companies have homeless people on their board of directors and their cars are all designed by poor little libs and not by what you refer to as "the rich people running the auto industry"?
Your intellectual depravity is truly astounding.

Satire is lost on the literal
Post #72 -
Please have a cup o' hot joe to wake you up. Then go to the dictionary and look up "satire" and "irony".
Once you have a good understanding of the meaning of those two words, try reading the article again and you might not be so upset.

Dems./Libs. do have numeracy
problems. Maybe it comes from supporting all the nitwit and worthless *education* theories of the last 40 years.

Pelosi says we could lose 500,000,000 jobs A MONTH, but there are only 310,000,000 in the entire pop.

King Elect O thinks we have 59 states. His actual statement of *57* states was that he had campaigned in *57 states* but the Sec. Ser. wouldn't let his campaign in HW or AL.

Bubba claims all the time that he left Bush a surplus in 2000, but he forgets he had a Rep. Cong. from 1994 on and LOST $15,000,000,000,000 in equity in the dot-com crash of 99-2000.

Now King Elect O tells us with a $13 trillion GNP ec. (and less due to the recession/depression) we can afford $9-$12 trillion in debt for cap and trade, *health care,* various *bailout* outs, and unlimited deficits, as the DEFICIT for this budget keeps spiraling upwards because the ec. is still losing jobs and taxes.

Anyone who believes anything the Dems./libs. say about numbers has drunk the KoolAid that takes them to O Land.


Changing The Subject
I guess the issue has become what was Nancy Pelosi told by the CIA, and when. The issue no longer is whether water-boarding is torture, is effective, is counter-productive, who did it, who authorized it, etc. All these questions have been swept under the rug. The only person we hear about now is Nancy Pelosi. How much water-boarding did Nancy actually do? What about those who did the water-boarding? I guess that's irrelevant now. The Right-Wing Smokescreen Brigade is back in its element now, in full force, and they sure are managing to change the subject.


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Poor Nancy!
It's so difficult to lie 24/7/365! No wonder she is exhausted...

response to quote

"The scariest thing is..
Just think, boys and girls, this lying moron is third in line for the Presidency. Could you possibly imagine the horror if that happened? She needs to go- NOW."


Well put...a risk one may consider. If the terrorists want to destroy this country, they only need to find a way to force us to keep her in power or give her more...

Jeffrey in a Land of Confusion
Jeffrey seems to be having trouble with logic. These are priceless.

"Waterboarding is torture. The only people who say it isn’t are people who haven’t experienced it. Even that tough guy Sean Hannity has so far reneged on his pledge to get waterboarded for charity. I wonder why."

This demonstrates the psychosis of liberalism. Many members of the military experience waterboarding as a part of their training. The THREE terrorists who were waterboarded were not done so for squirts and giggles. Liberals see Conservatives who disagree with their Leftist world view as more deserving of such techniques than terrorists who want to kill Americans.

"Whether waterboarding obtained useful information or not is irrelevant to whether or not it is torture. It can’t not be torture if used on an enemy, but it is torture if I use it on my next door neighbor, and I suspect I would go to jail if I used it involuntarily against my next door neighbor."

Under your definition every soldier who kills an enemy in war is guilty of murder. In that case, should we prosecute Barack Obama for murder for ordering the killing of the three Somali pirates?

"Was she under oath?"

I love this. No one is suggesting she be criminally charged for her lies. The point is that she is in a high level of leadership (she is two heartbeats away from being President)and puts political posturing ahead of serious issues of national security.

"The conservatives’ position is therefore the same as if she lied about her weight, or what she had for dinner last night. Her lie is immaterial, not criminal."

Only a hardcore Leftist would equate lying about weight to lies that could endanger American soldiers and citizens in an attempt to criminalize policy differences.




Pelosi--Obama's Head Cheerleader!!!
Let's all remember that Obama only uses people as long as they serve his purpose. During the campaign, he threw all his past supporters, mentors, and others under the bus. Jeremiah Wright, his spiritual advisor, became an Inconvenient Truth, as did his old Communist Buddy, Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko, his Financial Adviser and others.

Obama only stands with people as long as they serve his purpose, and his only purpose is in promoting himself and keeping himself in the spotlight. Obama is first and foremost, a Narcissist.

Does anybody remember Obama's Grand First National Address known as the State of The Union Address? Obama, the Narcissist, in true Narccisistic fashion, keeps the Adoring Crowd wating. He showed up 15 minutes late. Then, he spent another 15 minutes making his way through the throngs of slobbering fans so that they might touch his cloak. Then, after he finally gets to the podium, Head Cheerleader Pelosi, who is sitting right behind him, stands and the minions in the audience followed suit, while Pelosi lead the applause for another 5 minutes, and then on cue, she sits and so do all the other droolers.

During this so called State of The Union Speech, Pelosi would wind up standing and leading the Cheers for Obama, about 20 or so times.

And, now that her Cheerleading Services are no longer needed, Pelosi will go the way of all other Obama Backers, when their usefulness to Obama is finished.

You Libs Elected a Narcissistic Ego Maniac and just like Pelosi and all his other supporters and cheerleaders, you too, will be thrown under the bus when he is finished with you and you no longer serve his purposes. Other Dictators comes to mind when I see Obama: Stalin and Hitler!! They, too, were narcissists and disposed of their own followers when they became burdens. They became burdens when they started demanding that the Dictators They Elected follow through with their promises of Prosperity at the expense of others.

AREN'T YOU LIBERALS PROUD?
to have such a forthright leader as Nancy Pelosi? She sets a great example for all of you to follow, truth doesn't matter, getting re-elected does.


presidential succession
Say this fast three times: President Pelosi, President Pelosi, President Pelosi. Nauseated yet? She's too close for comfort and must step down, or be removed as Speaker. With her monumental stupidity and arrogance she represents a great potential danger to America.

Craig in VA
Your muddled thought processes amuse me.

“Many members of the military experience waterboarding as a part of their training.”

That’s true. So they can be prepared for when they are TORTURED by the enemy if captured. Of course, SERE training can’t ever be true torture, because it’s not done at the hands of a hostile enemy. And military recruits volunteer for it.

“The THREE terrorists who were waterboarded were not done so for squirts and giggles.”

So far, we’re not certain they weren’t tortured on at least some occasions, for amusement. But even if done solely for obtaining information, waterboarding is still torture. Your noble intentions do not change the nature of an illegal, torturous act. Your noble intentions may get you a lesser sentence if you are caught and tried for breaking the law.

“Under your definition every soldier who kills an enemy in war is guilty of murder.”

I made no such claim. And I don’t make it. The rules of war clearly permit uniformed soldiers to kill other uniformed soldiers, on the other team only, of course.

“I love this. No one is suggesting she be criminally charged for her lies…”

Well then what is the point of all this Pelosi hubbub? It is being implied that she knew about waterboarding being done, even when she said she didn’t. Unless you think she’s covering up a crime, why would this whole issue be getting such treatment from the right wing spin machine? This is a non-issue, non-story if waterboarding had been legal. That’s why the right wing is trying to pull in Democrats: for cover. Try to imagine a Rush Limbaugh segment on Nancy Pelosi lying about being told that military veterans are treated at Walter Reed Army Hospital.

“…..lies that could endanger American soldiers and citizens in an attempt to criminalize policy differences.”

Exactly how would it endanger American soldiers and citizens that Nancy Pelosi says she didn’t know the CIA was waterboarding terror suspects?

Pelosi-
She is for all purposes a joke, but this last escapade has cooked her goose..... Should be pulled from the position and also discuss charges of corruption.. True Demo....

Nancy, Nancy, Nancy
She needs to retire to a padded cell. She is even dangerous to herself with her fairy tales... What a joke on the American people --

Jeffrey:
Here is why it matters. When the media proclaims her statements as truth, and then those statements are picked up by Al Jazeera or Al Aribiya or even Al Ahram in "moderate" Egypt, they then can be cut and pasted and used for three purposes. First, they can be used to "prove" that the US is the great satan and recruit the zealous. Second they can be used to push a wavering suicide bomber over the line. If a person is doubting whether America is really bad enough to be worth his own death, one added log of a statement on the fire might push them over the edge. And Third, they can be used by anti American elements within Islam to reinforce an "Us vs. Them" mentality, to call for anti American government policies and knee jerk opposition to American actions in the region.

The part that makes it so difficult, is the Arab masses will never hear any of the rebuttals, they will never see the evidence that Pelosi is wrong, they will only see and be fueled by her initial statements, which were clearly lies. This is why she endangers American soldiers, because her statements broadcast in the Arab World without rebuttal or admission they were wrong lead to an anti American viewpoint that leads to greater anti American activity.

Jeffrey in MI

Here we go again:

"... SERE training can’t ever be true torture... military recruits volunteer for it... So far, we’re not certain they weren’t tortured on at least some occasions, for amusement.."

But, previously you said only those who haven't experienced waterboarding would consider it torture. I would guess most members of the military would find it a legitimate technique in certain situations. It seems you see these techniques as merely vicious pranks by our soldiers rather than means to extract information..

C: "“Under your definition every soldier who kills an enemy in war is guilty of murder.”..."I made no such claim. And I don’t make it."

But, you did. You compared the CIA or the military using enhanced techniques to you walking across the yard and doing the same to your neighbor. A criminal act. In other words, no distinction.

"This is a non-issue, non-story if waterboarding had been legal. That’s why the right wing is trying to pull in Democrats: for cover."

Conservatives STILL defend the use of enhanced techniques regardless of the court ruling. We don't see the need for cover (I know that seems counterintuitive to a Lib). The issue is a political hack and her posse of moonbats who wish to make policy differences a criminal offense.

"Exactly how would it endanger American soldiers and citizens that Nancy Pelosi says she didn’t know the CIA was waterboarding terror suspects?"

Her lies are tied to the bigger issue of attacking the American military to score political points. San Fran Nan's base is the lunatic fringe. Reducing our international efforts to fight Islamofascism to a criminal enterprise paints America in a negative light and gives credence to specious claims by our enemies. After all, the Speaker of the House says our defense apparatus is full of war criminals.

Jeffery - MI
SERE training can’t ever be true torture, because it’s not done at the hands of a hostile enemy. Jeffery

========================

According to the law - it is only considered torture if it was administered with the intent to torture.

Under Bush with the over-sight of Pelosi - it was administered with the intent of intelligence gathering.

And it worked.

5 To 1 She's gone by 5/29/09
Nancy can't tell the same story twice in a 20 minute time period.

The took out Newt for far less. The issue here is her lying about the CIA, not what was done with congresses blessing.

Enough already! She has no defense and she can't blame BUSH anymore.

Craig in VA
I said only those who HAVEN’T experienced waterboarding would consider it NOT torture

Waterboarding during SERE training isn’t torture because it’s done in a non-hostile environment with the participant’s ability to call it off at any time. Plus the participant volunteered for it. It may be torturous or arduous. But it isn’t torture. Again, show me someone who has experienced waterboarding in the hands of an angry hostile enemy, who doesn’t think it’s torture. Not someone who’s received a simulation of it for training purposes, although there appears to be SERE-trained people who do believe it is torture, even at SERE.

Military fighting isn’t murder because it’s legal to kill an enemy in uniform. There’s a distinction for specific circumstances. Show me where waterboarding is given a special distinction for CIA interrogations, or anywhere for that matter. I don’t think there is one. Therefore, whether one water boards a terrorist or the girl next door, it’s legal or illegal status is identical. We can argue all day about the legality of waterboarding but like killing a little girl or a drug dealer, murder is murder, regardless of whom you do it to. If waterboarding is legal, then local law enforcement agencies should be using it routinely to get crucial information out of suspects. And college fraternities could have a blast with new pledges.

I believe you when you say that conservatives still support the use of waterboarding and other torture tactics to combat terrorism. The danger is that these tactics could embolden our enemies. And make out soldiers vulnerable in future wars.

How is Nancy Pelosi attacking the military? By objecting to the use of illegal torture by the CIA? A lot of military people object to the CIA’s use of torture precisely because it ENDANGERS our military by making the enemy angrier when they find out about it. Seriously, who’s side are the conservatives on?!

She's a liar
She got caught lying.

Bye-bye!

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Jo, you're scaring me
Who gets to decide if it was done to gather intelligence or if it was done for sport? The President? The CIA? The captive? What if no intelligence was obtained?

Normally in this country when the intentions of the authorities can be either honorable or dishonorable, we present facts to a judge, a disinterested third party, for permission to proceed. For example, search warrants. Did the Bush Administration get a judge’s permission?

In any event, you’re wrong:

The United Nations Convention Against Torture was ratified by the U.S. Senate in 1990, making it the law of the land.

The CAT defines:

"Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions."


Jeffrery
You're still here "torturing" us with your convoluted logic. Bottom line is - did Nancy lie? Maybe not - if she insists that "Congress" was lied to - the solution to her problem is simple - hold a press conference, come forward with all the other members that were lied to. The fact that she is alone - standing up there like a shoplifter caught in the act should even register with you. As far as Michigan goes - I can tell you first hand how many transplanted Michigan people down here will differ with your opinion that big business - not big liberal policy is the problem. Care to compare stats of people moving to liberal utopia Michigan against those moving to dumb conservative Texas?

lol
Under the GC we can execute all the perps we housed at Gitmo at any time.
Libidiots like taft lie even about that.
Everything they do is lie and has been a lie, just read the Jane Harmon "objection letter" and found out IT IS NOT AN OBJECTION AT ALL/
Yes, I'm not kidding, she endorses everything and offers a few helpful suggestions.
I guess I'm stupid because liberal traitors lied to me again for 6 years four months and four days.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/15164/representative_jane_ha rmans_letter_to_cia_general_counsel_muller.html

Mike in TX
I’m sorry that logic tortures you. Dishonesty and lies torture me. Let’s call it even. If Nancy Pelosi lied about whether the CIA informed her about using waterboarding or not, so what? I think this is a tempest in a teapot.

You guys say that waterboarding isn’t illegal. So I don’t see how Nancy Pelosi lying about whether she knew it was going on or not amounts to anything worth reading about. There’s no crime in knowing about something that happened that is legal. Democrats, however, might be furious with her if she acquiesced to waterboarding/torture, because we think it’s illegal. But her knowledge of it from a briefing that Sen. Graham of Florida also said made no mention of it, is small potatoes compared to the Bushies who actually designed a policy around using it.

So which is it? Waterboarding is legal, so Bush and company have nothing to worry about? Or waterboarding is illegal, and Nancy Pelosi knew about it, so in some way she’s an accomplice?

I guess it depends on whether it makes you happier to see Bush and company avoid jail time, or to see Pelosi go to jail along with a bunch of Bushies. And I’m having a great time watching the rightwingnuts work their way through this: it’s not torture; it might be torture but we got good information, it is torture and Nancy Pelosi made us to it! I think the conservative pundits are still working their through the issue, to determine their position. They have to first calculate what helps the GOP most, while hurting the Democrats most. The pundits just may be willing to sacrifice Bush and Cheney, who are gone and failures, in order to skewer Pelosi for "condoning illegal torture." Interesting to watch it unfold.

PELOSI AND DEMOCRAT CONGRESS DESPICABLE
IT WAS SOMETHING TO SEE THIS WOMAN WHO IS SUPPOSE TO LOOK AFTER 300 MILLION AMERICANS
LIE LIE AND THEN COVERUP A LIE WITH ANOTHER. WE HAVE BEEN SAFE AND THAT WHAT IS IMPORTANT THIS OBAMA PELOSI AND REID ARE ALL PUTTING US IN DANGER. THEY LEAK CLASSIFIED INFO FOR POLITICAL GAINS WELL IT BACKFIRED SHE IS IN TROUBLE AND I HOPE SHE GETS TOSSED FOR THE GOOD OF ALL AMERICANS. YOU DONT JEOPARDIZE THE THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS TRYING TO PROTECT YOU ..MOST ON THIS POST HAVE NEVER SERVED OR NEVER HAD A CLEARANCE SO HAVE NO CLUE TO THE DAMAGE SHE HAS DONE AND OBAMA...THIS IS A TERROR WAR AND OUR FIRST WE DO WHAT WE HAVE TOO TO KEEP THE COUNTRY SAFE...LEFTWING AIRHEADS HAVE NO CLUE AS TO THIS ISSUE NONE SERVE NONE CONTRIBUTE NONE SUPPORT THEY JUST SPEW HOT AIR LIES AND DECEIT...THIS IS WORSE CONGRESS IN HISTORY LOOK IT UP...READ AND STUDY THE WORSE IN HISTORY OF USA
US ARMY RETIRED HARD

Defense?
Mr. Benson,

I know you're just kidding. How could anyone defend Nancy Pelosi? Hell, she's worse than Wanda Sykes. Much worse!

Ginrich nails it, here:
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=7595688

Pelosi must be Destroyed to save America
NAZI PIGLOSI IS THE SCUM OF THE EARTH!!!!!!YOU ARE A FILTHY LYING LIBERAL PIECE OF MANURE, WE ALL KNOW YOU ARE A LIAR BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SPIN WORTH A DAMN. LIBERALS DESTROYED THE HOUSING INDUSTRY ALONG WITH REPs AND WE WILL NOT LET IT GO.

NAZI PIGLOSI REFUSED TO REPEAL THE ENRON LOOPHOLE WHICH GAVE SPECULATORS THE POWER TO MANIPULATE OIL PRICES IN OFF EXCHANGE TRANSACTIONS. SO E PAID $4 A GALLON FOR GAS BECAUSE NAZI PIGLOSI REFUSED TO SUPPORT BILLS THAT WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE HOUSING MARKET FAILURE AND RAMPANT ENERGY PRICE MANIPULATION.

NAZI PIGLOSI IS TOO INCOMPETANT TO BE 3rd IN LINE TO BE PRESIDENT, SHE'S HUGO CHEVEZ WITH THE WEINER CUTOFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ITS NOT TORTURE
IT IS TIME FOR CONSERVATIVES (NOTICE I DID NOT SAY REPULICANS)TO STAND UP AND WITH ONE VOICE SAY THAT THE TORTURE CHARGES BEING BROUGHT FORWARD ARE BUNCKO. JUST NOT TRUE AND NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES DEMS WANT TO CLAIM THEY ARE IT IS JUST NOT SO.

SLEEP DEPRAVATION,LOUD MUSIC, WATERBOARDING AND A FEW BUGS ARE NOT TORTURE. TORTURE IS THE PHYSICAL or MENTAL ABUSE OF A PERSON FOR THE SHEER PLEASURE OF INFLICKING SUCH ABUSE. EVERY INTEROGATION EXPECT WILL TELL YOU THAT TORTURE IS AN INEFFECTIVE WAY TO RETRIEVE INFORMATION. HOWEVER WE RETIEIVED VALUABLE INFORMATION FROM SKM OR KMS OR WHAT HIS INTIALS ARE.

WATERBOARDING DOES NOT PHYSICALLY OR MENTALLY HARM A PERSON. MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA HAVE BEEN WATERBOARDED MORE THAN TERROIST. IN FACT YOU CAN WATERBOARD YOURSELF. PUT A LIQUID IN YOUR MOUTH THAT WILL PREVENT YOU FROM OPENNING IT AND STAND UNDER THE SHOWER SO THAT THE WATER PREVENTS YOUR NOSE FROM ACCEPTING AIR AND FOR THE BRIEFEST OF SECONDS YOUR BRAIN WILL TRIGGER AN ANXIETY RESPONSE FORCING YOU TO TRY AND SWALLOW WHAT IS YOUR MOUTH.

DO I CARE IF MY GOVERMENT TRICKS A TERROIST'S MIND INTO BELEIVING THEY ARE DROWNING TO PROTECT MY FAMILY. YOU CAN BET YOUR BIPPY I DON'T.

She promised an ethical Congress
At the end of 2005 Ms. Pelosi stated... The House she cited abortion, homosexual marriage and the recent Supreme Court eminent domain decision as examples of unethical and formerly illegal behavior that are now available to many law abiding citizens.

She continued... She contrasted the Republican “culture of corruption” with her own party’s “culture of constitutional correction.” and also stated in 1998... "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

Speaker Pelosi has plotted to deliver a democrat congressional takeover in 2006; and, upon taking the chair of speaker of the House promised Americans she would be "her leadership team will create the most honest, most open, and most ethical Congress in history.” America is still waiting, Nancy.

The things she let conveniently slipped her mind the promise of a ‘great openness and transparency.’ Well, Nancy we’re still waiting for confirmation on that one.
Let’s review the things she allowed to get by: It includes William Jefferson, the Democrat who hid $90,000 in bribery cash in his freezer at home.

It includes the Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who enjoys illegally using campaign donations, shady million dollar land deals, pushing legislation through Congress to benefit his 4 lobbyist sons, breaking campaign finance laws, and aiding clients of Jack Abramoff in addition to dozens associated with him.

Also include former Judge Alcee Hastings, who was convicted by the U.S. House on two Articles of Impeachment: perjury and conspiracy to obtain a bribe. He’s so “honest and ethical” that it’s rumored Pelosi tried to get him to Chair the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. He was impeached by Congress. The level of corruption swings both ways and should be dealt with in the same matter.

Then And Now - I
From Legal Insurrection Blog:

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has denied being briefed in September 2002 about the waterboarding of Abu Zubaydah. Pelosi claims she was told that the technique had not been used (when in fact it had been used a month earlier). Pelosi uses this September 2002 briefing, and the alleged concealment of waterboarding, to support her claim that the CIA misled Congress.

Pelosi says she first learned of the waterboarding in February 2003, when her aide was briefed on the issue, and relayed the information to her. CIA Director Leon Panetta states that CIA records show that Pelosi was in fact briefed on the techniques used on Zubaydah at the September 2002 briefing.

We do not know at this time what other records exist showing what was said at the September 2002 briefing, but this quotation from Pelosi in May 2002 lends credibility to the CIA’s account. Pelosi clearly was being kept apprised of the specific details Zubaybah’s interrogation and the difficulty of getting Zubaydah to give up all he knew.

In May 2002, the government announced a terror alert based in part on information Zubaydah had revealed about attacks on the Brooklyn Bridge and other landmarks, although Zubaydah was being evasive as to whether there was an active plan. Pelosi was quoted as being aware of the details of the interrogation.

Poor Little Ophan Nancy
Maybe the Speaker of the House should spend less time speaking and more time listening. Think it's an overdose of face lifts? Maybe she's suffering from dementia? Or maybe she'd just say or do anything to get elected?
The Military channel had a show on today called Fatal Hitler. If you get a chance to see it, it will open your eyes. Those who fail to learn from history are sure to repeat it. We are headed as a nation down a path sure to cause great sorrow. We need to get off of that path while we can.

Don't recall the source . Sorry.


But just how do you dumb it down enough for Nacy Pelousi?

Could this ever happen?

They said that Pelosi was the most
powerful Italian since Caesar. Well, Julius Caesar is supposed to have said, "The fault, dear Brutus, does not lay in the stars [astrology], the fault is in ourselves."

I live in the SF Bay Area and have had to put up with the inane babbling from Ms. Pelosi for more than 40 years (as she worked her way up through political offices). Plain and simple, she is a liar and has been one for a very long time. It's about time she got caught in one of her lies that she won't be able to squirm out of.

She ought to resign as speaker and resign her seat in the House.

Obama and Pelosi--Serial Liars
Pelosi, like Obama and his entire administration, are nothing more or less than Serial Liars. And, the bigger the lies they tell, the more they believe them themselves and therefore, they believe all others also believe them.

Unfortunately, at least 40 percent of the Obama Droolers and Liberal Democrat Voters are Ignorant and Illiterate Deadbeats who depend on Government for everything in life, and therefore, could care less about politics, economics or anything else of substance, as long as their Welfare Payments and other things that they now view themselves to be Entitled To, just because Obama and the Liberals tell them that they are victims.

The rest of you Obama voters who do not depend on government for your existence, better wake up and realize what a colossal mistake you all made when you go on the Obama Drool Wagon to show that you were not prejudice. Voting for a man or woman based on color is just Racism, no matter what race or color you happen to be. But, the Liberal Democrats who run the Democrat National Committee knew what they were doing when they picked this articulate Marxist Teleprompter Reader. They knew they would get 99.99 percent of the black vote as even so-called Republicans such as Colon Powell would endorse him as they viewed Race more important than Integrity and National Security. Voting Race is bad policy. If you do not believe this, take a look at places such as Birmingham, Alabama where the majority blacks elect corrupt and incompetent black politicians over and over. Even when they are proven to be corrupt and get indicted, the ignorant citizens will re-elect them even while they are out of jail on bond. Look at Washington DC who elected Marion Barry as Mayor even after he was caught, tried and convicted of being a crack head and a solicitor of prostitutes.

SanFranNan is...
either lying or she is incompetent or possibly exhibiting signs of dementia. In any case she has no business being 3rd in line for the Presidency.

Obama/Pelosi, et.al. All Liars
Let's all remember that Obama only uses people as long as they serve his purpose. During the campaign, he threw all his past supporters, mentors, and others under the bus. Jeremiah Wright, his spiritual advisor, became an Inconvenient Truth, as did his old Communist Buddy, Bill Ayers, and others.

Obama only stands with people as long as they serve his purpose, and his only purpose is in promoting himself and keeping himself in the spotlight. Obama is first and foremost, a Narcissist.

Does anybody remember Obama's Grand First National Address known as the State of The Union Address? Obama, the Narcissist, in true Narccisistic fashion, keeps the Adoring Crowd wating. He showed up 15 minutes late. Then, he spent another 15 minutes making his way through the throngs of slobbering fans so that they might touch his cloak. Then, after he finally gets to the podium, Head Cheerleader Pelosi, who is sitting right behind him, stands and the minions in the audience followed suit, while Pelosi lead the applause for another 5 minutes, and then on cue, she sits and so do all the other droolers.

During this so called State of The Union Speech, Pelosi would wind up standing and leading the Cheers for Obama, about 20 or so times.

And, now that her Cheerleading Services are no longer needed, Pelosi will go the way of all other Obama Backers, when their usefulness to Obama is finished.

You Libs Elected a Narcissistic Ego Maniac and just like Pelosi and all his other supporters and cheerleaders, you too, will be thrown under the bus when he is finished with you and you no longer serve his purposes.

Ignore All Serial Liars,AKA-Libs
Ignore Obama's Words!!!
Obama is a Radical and in the Radical Handbook that he follows, Lying is part of the Plan. That is why he presents to be a Serial Liar.

Ignore every word he reads from this teleprompter. His words mean nothing. What does matter is the Actions that he and This Congress are enacting. They are Passing 40 years of Radical Planning all at once, and everyone of his little so-called Press Conferences, Town Hall Meetings, etc. that the MSM is showing us 24-7 and all these debates over what he said or did not say are nothing more than distractions. While everybocy is pontificating what he said or did not say, this distracts people from the Radical Agenda that They are Enacting.

Stop Obama and this Radical Congress Now. I do not care if you are a Leftist or a Rightist, better unite and Stop this Obama Machine while you still have enough freedom and liberty left to do it. If you work for a living, pay rent, pay mortgages, pay for utilities, pay for food, pay for health care, pay property taxes, etc. you better Hope Obama and this Congress Fail, because it is going to be you, whether you are left or right, who will have to pay for it. Of course, deadbeats could care less how high taxes go, because Deadbeats pay no taxes. This is why Obama is Creating Hate and Class Envy. He knows he can depend on deadbeats to be part of his Radical Movement. The so called ACORN volunteers come to mind. ACORN is nothing but the militant arm of the Leftist Obama, who is using our tax money to Fund Their Volunteer Activities by paying them money to be a part of this corrupt organization.


You Are a Moron
Some moron (and I don't use this word lightly) posted: "Waterboarding during SERE training isn’t torture because it’s done in a non-hostile environment with the participant’s ability to call it off at any time. Plus the participant volunteered for it. It may be torturous or arduous. But it isn’t torture. Again, show me someone who has experienced waterboarding in the hands of an angry hostile enemy, who doesn’t think it’s torture. Not someone who’s received a simulation of it for training purposes, although there appears to be SERE-trained people who do believe it is torture, even at SERE."

I went through SERE and I guarantee that you can't just call it off anytime. I will not go into specifics but your understanding of what actually occurs is misinformed at best. Aside from that just because someone "voluntarily" accepts being abused makes it abuse none the less. By definiton waterboarding is not torture. If you disagree please post the definition you are using.

Additionally, by international standards, the non-uniformed combatants with no national recognition are war criminals who deserve nothing less than to be shot or hanged. They are not entitled to any protections under the law.

Lastly the issue is not whether waterboarding is, or is not, torture. It is whether Nancy Pelosi has knowing lied to the public about a matter of national security, accused the former administration of a criminal act to which she was a party to and called into question the veracity of the CIA upon which the administration must rely for information to make nationl security decisions.



Left wing hypocrisy
The Left's argument about Pelosi is not to defend her lying...but to claim accusations against Pelosi are just Republicans trying to get Bush off the hook.

Sounds so much like the Left's arguments about Obama's plan to triple the national debt; all they can do is accuse Bush of irresponsibly running up the debt too.

So...the Left's tactic is...when Reps do it scream like crazy. Then when Dems do even more of it, just point to the fact that the Reps did it first.

JOHN
You are wasting you time with these morons. It is futile trying to explain anything to socialists about the difference between torture and SERE training.

When 'waterboarding' is considered to be 'torture' in relation to 'fear' what do these pukes say about having your gonads receive a jolt or two of 220 volts, removing fingernails, or burning eyes out, breaking bones, et cetara?

Or perhaps reviewing a film of an American being beheaded by those friendly Jihadists...without any interrogation or torture.

Mercy, that is surely barbaric and everyone who administers torture...should be tortured in return!

Semper Fi,
Jason

Cute but
I would prefer the term "teabagger" not be dignified by repeating it, even in satire. Also, what of Ms. Pelosi's own contribution to the conspiracy against her? She has told five and contradictory different stories. Could it be that she has multiple personality disorder and some of the personalities have been co-opted into being double agents against her?

WHAT IS GOING ON?!
Is this writer for Nancy-pantsy or against
her? What is all this jabber about Nancy?
The -itch(fill in the letter-- there are more words than one that fit) got caught w/her pants down! Oooops! Excuse me she wears a chastity belt! Is there Chastity in being a big liar?
Just think she may get replaced and Faggie
City will replace her with a cross dressing
Illegal girl that is 8 yrs. old with documents
that proves she was born in USA just like
Prez O-buzzard 35 years ago!
Elvis

What terrific face for the Demockacrats
. . . liberals and leftists Pelosi makes.

Her level of intelligence, honesty, morality, common sense and decency make her the poster girl for the entire big tent under which the DLLs reside.

FWIW: I'm really disappointed that it took her so long to play the blame-George-W.-Bush-and-his-administration trump card.

After all, isn't that pretty much the only card in the deck the Demockacrats have?

But they'll do anything to stay in power, so I do not expect anything to come of us.

Certainly Obama will ignore it.

And sooner than you can say "Bush lied and so did the CIA," the advocacy/adversary media will let this die.

PELOSI
SHES SUCH A LYING B---H. BUT AT LAST, SHES FINALLY CAUGHT!

No, Nancy can't use the Bush-lied-and
so-did-the-CIA because Clintonista Leon Panetta is there making sure the Clinton dynasty is protected and Nancy was never a Hillary bud.

Ergo, not only the Reps., Independents, and all else will be on Nancy's botoxed head

but also half the Dem. Party, of which, huge numbers hate O for usurping Hillary, thuggishly strong-arming caucus delegates in the non-voting primary states, playing the race card against the former *first black president* on the stump, and taking away Hillary's heir-apparent status.

Dems. abandoned Carter in his first term when the ec. was terrible and we had insurrection in Iran and invasion in Afghanistan (two areas Carter set up for us 30 years ago),

and they can abandon the King Elect O. Kennedy is sick and Hillary is still waiting in the wings.

In Defense of Nancy P
Great! Thank you! I began reading the article and began to wonder, "just who could believe such tripe?" In fact, I almost began to be a little upset at such misrepresentation of fact...but then... I realized it must be April 1st (fools day) and my calendar was wrong. Thanks for giving me the heads up. I almost thought it was May.
Great joke!!!

renny...nj
Excellent analysis!
Panetta is a Clinton puppet and will undermine the lying witch from Faggy city!
I have been saying that Ocrapa will not be the nominee...it will be Hellary!
Elvis

Who Knew What When
Pelousy is such a patholigical lyer that she dosent know what is truth and what is lies. She bullies the Air Force into flying her and her budds to Sanfrancisco and back 4 or 5 times a year at tax payer expense. She thinks she is entitled to this special treatment because she sees herself as special, that is why she is outraged that anybody would question her version of the torture briefings. She dosent think anyone should queston her no matter what lie she wants to tell.

Jeffrey Mi
You sir make me angry. You are broken and you cannot be fixed!

You SUCK the actual life from this country and give NOTHING back.

Nothing that you say makes any kind of sense!

The next time you see a soldier.....,thank him. You will Never understand why. Trust me...,just do it. You need to.Ugh! You disgust me!

Bit in the butt
The Left has spent the past 7+ years using the integrity and honor of the CIA, NSA and other Intelligence Agencies to say whatever they wanted to turn the uninformed voters against the Bush administration and thereby securing votes for their party. They did so knowing that no one in those agencies could ever confirm or deny anything the Left said without compromising national security. Nancy got so used to doing it that she forgot that 0bama had released the EIT memos and now the CIA has nothing to protect and are free to defend themselves. She got so used to the guard dog being tied up that she jumped the fence without bothering to check and see if it was still on the chain, now she is getting a much deserved bite in the butt.

Pelosi's Lies
Talk about "disinformation" you must think us sheep stupid.

Nancy Lied
We should just waterboard Princess Pelosi. That is the only way that you are going to get the truth out of her. Whose side is she on anyway - ours or theirs?

Jeffrey
through your own quote I can prove to you that the CAT definition does not pertain to what the Bush administration “acquiesced” to do to the three hardened detainees.

“severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental… for… an act he or a third person has committed… (or) is suspected of having committed…
It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions."
The procedure was lawful because these non-military terrorists “did not commit” the 9/11 act (past tense). They were suspect of having information regarding FUTURE such acts (by their own admission) and the administration merely fulfilled their oath of office to safeguard America from such acts; they “coerced” these detainees for the PREVENTION of such acts.
The interrogation INTENT was never to “punish or to discriminate” against them.
Now, a little psychology: Someone who grew up in an arid area, most likely is fearful of massive amounts of water, and drowning. Also, in the desert they grow up with a an irrational fear of insects (venomous scorpions and insects abound in their native place).These methods were VERY intelligently considered and it “broke” them to give vital intelligence that safeguarded your, and Ms. Pelosi’s a*se from another wave of terrorist attack. Ms. Pelosi must have come to the same conclusion as I, and now she keeps on digging a bigger and bigger whole. Based on intent (which can be interpreted any which way one chooses) the Bush administration is immune from prosecution.
Phobia (irrational fear of an object or situation) is not covered in the definition. I am terrified of water and cannot swim. My son and daughter love to swim under water for quite a bit of time. While I am “phobic” they are not. What could be considered torture for me, it would be “child’s play” for them. Hope you see your erroneous way at interpreting your own quote.

Final thought
The number of those, albeit small, that failed to recognize that this piece was satire concerns me. It is so obvious, it screams for applause but sadly, more than a few took the title at face value. Methinks once more, Houston is in need of contact, we have a problem.

Jeffery
I guess you would rather have them look at the terrorists and say" ooh the things we're going to do to you if you don't talk." Oh, wait that could be described as torture as the mental picture they get might cause mental anguish!!! The matter IS that Piglosy lied and you know it but you are afraid it's going to make your precious party look bad. All you liberals are worried more about how your party is going to look than how your country is going to look and you sicken me!

AWESOME Article just perfect

ONE OF THE best ever written blogs, articles, colums, whatever you call them.

PERFECT,

HOWEVER< YOU will NOT even get a pulitzer prize nomination because you failed to use those "HATE EVIL BUSH" "HATE EVIL CHENEY" "HATE EVIL RUMSFELD" paragraphs,

LONG live OBAMA-Biden

I cannot believe we are praying every day for OBAMA-BIDEN to live a long life:

PELOSI is next UP!

We actually pray every day that neither Obama nor Biden even break a fingernail for the next 4 years!

Aniko
Honestly, saying waterboarding isn't torture makes one look pathetic. In any case, Cheyne should then fly to the Hague and stand trail and prove to world that he's not a common criminal. He won't though, of course, a continues thread of cowardice has run through his life.

To be WB
>>>However, when performed with even moderate intensity over an extended time on an unsuspecting prisoner – it is torture, without doubt. Couple that with waterboarding and the entire medley not only “shock the conscience” as the statute forbids -it would terrify you. Most people can not stand to watch a high intensity kinetic interrogation. One has to overcome basic human decency to endure watching or causing the effects. The brutality would force you into a personal moral dilemma between humanity and hatred. It would leave you to question the meaning of what it is to be an American."

"
Detailed accounts of the plastic wrap technique indicate that it is essentially a two step process. First, plastic wrap with a small hole in it is used to obstruct airflow into the lungs. After the torture subject is well on the way to unconsciousness and death from lack of oxygen, water is poured on the plastic wrap. The water trickles through the hole in the plastic and heads toward the lungs. At most a small amount of water enters the lungs, but the combination of oxygen deprivation and the sensation of water in the airway triggers the uncontrollable panic usually associated with drowning.

Using a soaked cloth accomplishes much the same thing. In neither case does a significant amount of water enter the lungs. In both cases it is the easily removed obstruction of the airway that is the actual danger, not the water itself. However, in both cases it is the water to which the oxygen deprived brain reacts most strongly."

Sound familiar?
but what about the very well-known fact that Tokyo Tribunal against Yukio Asano for having employed the "water treatment" in this manner, against American troops for purposes of obtaining intelligence information: "The victim was bound or otherwise secured in a prone position; and water was forced through his mouth and nostrils into his lungs and stomach." The allies sentenced Asano to fifteen years hard labor for this conduct.

You are Pathetic
Quote: "Honestly, saying waterboarding isn't torture makes one look pathetic"

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 113C > § 2340

§ 2340. Definitions

(1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;

(2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—

(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;

(B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;

(C) the threat of imminent death; or

(D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality; and

(3) “United States” means the several States of the United States, the District of Columbia, and the commonwealths, territories, and possessions of the United States.


By definition waterboarding is NOT torture.

By attempting to paint waterboarding as torture you are making a pathetic attempt at criminalizing a former administration's policy decision, which was authorized by the bipartisan Intelligence Committees of both Houses of Congress with Democratic leadership present and assenting as well as Legal Council to the President, in an effort to gain a political advantage.

You sir are pathetic.


Japanese Method Not the Same
The Japanese method of "waterboarding" was not the same as what was used on the Islamofacist Terrorists.

The Japanese would force water into the prisoner until their stomach became distended then punch them to force the prisoner to vomit the water out. In many cases the prisoners died of water poisoning or from internal bleeding due to the blunt trauma caused by the blows to their abdomens. Suffice it to say the technique used was severe, brutal, painful and had a very real chance of causing death.

Get your facts straight.

Fear Factor episode??
If you can imagine the EITs on FEAR FACTOR, i dont think it qualifies as torture.

The Left is so concerned about abiding by the geneva convention i say we give them their wish. Un-uniformed Combatants can be executed on the spot. I dont think they can argue that they had uniforms on... so lets line them up against the wall and shoot them. We solve all sorts of problems.
1) no need for lengthy trials
2) we followed the geneva convention to the letter
3)we can now shut down the prison.


pelosie
Are you talking about the phoney, lying, self-serving witch that is the speaker of the house??

Are you an idiot??

To John in FL
Your comments and info posted in this article are so good I actually wish you could be a national spokesperson on this subject. Some of the best information and reasoned opinion I've read anywhere. Kudos to you sir. And thanks for your service.

Eeeeeeww, MIMI (#39).............



.........STOP THAT! O M G!

"Caught with her bloomers down...."

Are you trying to make us all SICK with that visual or what? Groooooossss! :)



Hey NANCY - you are a lying beeeotch, and I'm here to tell you I'M going to TAKE AWAY YOUR AIRPLANE! You can ride a Greyhound back to the Left Coast.

pelosi
there is no defense for her she is a lying piece of liberal trash

Hey Guy....


" the Speaker explained, her face taut with what some observers described as righteous indignation. "


Face taut?
Yes botox does that.

~~~

OK guy Benson. Let us hear "Your Modest Proposal"

Mr. Jonathan Swift. Thrice removed.


Still laughing here.

B2slim


Location: OR
Reply # 141
Date: May 16, 2009 - 11:42 PM EST LONG live OBAMA-Biden

I cannot believe we are praying every day for OBAMA-BIDEN to live a long life:

PELOSI is next UP!

We actually pray every day that neither Obama nor Biden even break a fingernail for the next 4 years!

~~~

Yeah. Me too I do pray for da Bo an da Joe.

Don forget Hilly, I think Bill can pull this off. Just who knows who is under his desk?

You must admit the Arkansas Mofia is efficient.





Chuck, from Maine
Gingrich does nail it. you can hear him slamming the dishonest Pelosi but Obama lapdog media ABC must have shut down the video portion all you get is the audio.

Seared in her memory
I couldn't resist. That was one of the all-time great lines by an almost POTUS. I think Nancy needs to use it ASAP.

Lastly, be carefull what you wish for. The post-Pelosi may be worse that the original.

Enhanced Interrogation of the Speaker
It is appalling and sad that this poor woman is being subjected to torture basically. She's a Democrat. The press can't do this. They can't ask her difficult questions or (God forbid) follow up questions of Democrats. Sure, they can ask Republicans hard hitting questions but Democrats? This is absurd. Perhaps the press forgot for a moment that she is a Democratic leader and cannot be investigated. Didn't these people learn the first rule of journalism; never ask the truth of a Democrat? I feel for the beleagured Speaker. She's never been challenged before so what gives them the right to start now?

The botox moved from
Nancy's face into her brains. She is not thinking clearly.

Alice
I don't know, from the picture, it looks like she let loose of something that went by her nose!! Of course, it could be her lies stink so bad as to put a look like that on her face!?!?!?

Benson
I usually don't comment on someone's writing skills on Townhall, because I really just care about the opinions, but this piece was superbly written and pretty funny.

Narcissism
C'mon now! Nancy's not the first old lady to make a few mistakes caused by too many skin-tightening procedures which constrict the flow of blood and oxygen to her brain. When all the truth is out, we'll find that she's not responsible. Blame it all on her affliction, Dorian Gray Syndrome. Next thing we know, she'll be out there saying the Catholic Church's teaching on abortion is open to regional interpretation.

Pelosi Satire
Mr Guy Benson has demonstrated what Shakespeare did through Mark Anthony's solelique about Julius Ceasar's death. A delightfully engaging and deliberately insightful and contentius absurdity of the truth of a situation by taking the opposite 'support' point of view. Ben Franklin wrote this way too, about the British.
There is no better way to show the truth by making lies look like the truth. But in a satirical manner. It sometimes helps the 'medicine' of reality go down.
Thank you Mr Benson!

Nancy...Don't stop talking!!!!
As a Republican, I would actually not mind if Nancy stayed right where she is. As long as she's there, she will be the "face" of the Democrat party! Any Republican running for a House or Senate seat in 2010 would love to show clips of her press conference in every campaign commercial they run.
Remember what happened to the Dems in 94. Clinton came in with a full Democrat majority in the House and Senate, and, in less than two years, lost it all. Why? Because they over-reached. I see the same thing happening now.

In Defense??????
Biting Satire. You really got them going! Good job.

JM051
Homosexual Turd...........nuff said

Pelosi
Has she not contradicted herself with her recent public statements? Are they consistent?
Donald W. Bales
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