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Tuesday, November 06, 2007
Gregory Koukl :: Townhall.com Columnist
When Compromising Is not a Compromise
by Gregory Koukl
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During next year’s presidential election, the one issue that most directly relates to justice is abortion. If you are a Christian, no other question should have more influence in your choice of candidates. Which candidate offers the greatest chance of securing justice for humanity’s most defenseless members, the unborn?

“That's one-issue voting,” you say. Yes it is, the one issue God is most concerned with when it comes to government. And on the issue of abortion there can be no compromise.

No Middle Ground

National Review publisher William F. Buckley explained in an interview why there can be no middle ground in the pro-life view. Those in favor of abortion accord no intrinsic moral status to the unborn, he observed. How one treats the fetus, therefore, is open to personal belief, preference, or even whim.

Pro-lifers, on the other hand, understand that the unborn, though small, underdeveloped, and vulnerable, are still human beings worthy of protection. If they’re right, then “choice” in any of its permutations grants liberty to kill unwanted human children. Therefore, any concession to choice undermines the moral logic of the entire pro-life position. Gregg Cunningham, President of the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform, said, “A woman cannot be a little bit pregnant, and a baby cannot be a little bit dead.”

There are only two positions, no more. Either you hold that the unborn are not due protection and the government should allow women the choice to take the life of the fetus, or you believe the unborn should not be killed, but rather protected like any other human being. There is no middle ground. All “centrist,” “moderate,” “balanced,” “accommodating,” “conciliatory,” or “middle” approaches affirm the first view. They’re all pro-choice—every single one of them.

All or Nothing?

Since there is no middle ground on abortion—“choice” always means a dead child—then it’s critically important we make decisions at the polls that go beyond token moral gestures (something that looks right, but has no impact). We must make choices that have the greatest chance of actually saving children.

The possible question we’re faced with is this: If we were forced to choose between feeling or looking virtuous but having no actual effect, or appearing ignoble but accomplishing some good, which path should we take? When we must choose one or the other, are we obliged by God to make a moral statement or to have a moral impact?

Statements vs. Impact

Goodness requires more than making a moral statement. Rather, it requires having a moral impact. Jesus condemned Jews who abused the practice of Corban (Mark 7:11), a pledge to God that appeared righteousness, but helped no one. Let me be clear: The motives of pro-lifers voting “consistently pro-life” are different from those who used the practice of Corban as a religious cloak for avarice. However, the result is the same: moral statements with no moral impact.

In a California senatorial election several years ago, both front-runners were pro-abortion, but for the Republican candidate, Matt Fong, partial-birth abortion went too far. His Democratic opponent, Barbara Boxer, had no such scruples. It was a close race, with many pro-lifers staying home or instead casting their votes for unelectable candidates who were “consistently pro-life.” Consequently, Boxer prevailed.

Those whose “conscience vote” guaranteed that a hard-core pro-abortionist was re-elected could have benefited from the moral insight of Pope Ratzinger:

According to the principles of Catholic morality, an action can be considered licit [morally permissible] whose object and proximate effect consist in limiting an evil insofar as possible. Thus, when one intervenes in a situation judged evil in order to correct it for the better, and when the action is not evil in itself, such an action should be considered not as the voluntary acceptance of the lesser evil, but rather as the effective improvement of the existing situation, even though one remains aware that not all evil present is able to be eliminated for the moment.

In other words, it’s better to choose someone who is committed to eliminating some of the evil, than contributing to the victory of one who is not committed to eliminating any of the evil but, on the contrary, will promote it. This is not a compromise. This is good moral thinking.

Father Peter West with Priests for Life adds this:

Before the Civil War, if your goal was racial equality, the most prudent thing to do would have been to vote for Lincoln even though he said he wouldn’t overturn slavery if that would save the Union. He also held some racist views, but he was far better than the alternative. Abolitionists kept pressure on Lincoln to free the slaves. Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation which freed only some slaves. Later, the Fourteenth Amendment was passed to recognize the personhood of African-Americans. The battle to achieve racial equality would go on, but the victory of Lincoln was a major step toward that goal despite his flaws.

In the same vein, Lincoln scholar Harry Jaffa has said, "The wise statesman will act to achieve the greatest measure of justice that the world in which he is acting admits."

Making Your Vote Count

If you want to make your vote count for millions of unborn children, you have to face three very important facts. First, in the next four years you'll be governed by either a Democrat or Republican president. Second, the power to destroy human life in the womb lies not with the legislature, but with the courts. Third, the next president will likely appoint between two and five new justices to the Supreme Court and dozens of jurists to lower courts.

Let me state it plainly: If you are pro-life and intend on casting a “conscience vote” for a third party candidate, you might as well be voting for the “pro-choice party.” It will have the same ultimate impact on the safety of the unborn. Voting pro-life principles isn’t always voting for a pro-life candidate; a principled vote might mean voting for the viable option that will either advance the pro-life cause better or hurt it the least.

If you sleep more comfortably at night because you’ve voted your principles, then I believe your conscience is well-intended, though misinformed. You’ve chosen to make a moral statement instead of choosing to have a moral impact.

As one pundit put it, it's better to have a second class fireman than a first class arsonist. There is no victory or honor in voting for the first-class fireman who had no chance of winning when, in the end, your “conscience vote” actually allowed the arsonist get elected.

The primary election is the place to vote for our first-class fireman, a pro-lifer who can win the general election. But if a second-class fireman is nominated, a principled pro-life vote isn’t compromised by voting for him over the first-class arsonist.

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Gregory Koukl is founder and president of Stand to Reason, an organization devoted to a thoughtful and engaging defense of classical Christianity in the public square. He is also a radio talk show host and author of Relativism—Feet Firmly Planted in Mid-Air.

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I'd be happy to just have Roe v Wade
It's the decisions after that are really bad.
Roe says states have an interest at viability.
Viability keeps being pushed earlier & earlier.
Japanese engineers say they'll have an artificial "womb" in a few years.

It's the decisions after Roe that tend to allow abortions up to & during full term birth.


2. Does a woman's right to choose, mean
(a) to choose not to be pregnant, or
(b) to choose to kill a baby?

If the baby can be removed from the womb without killing it (artificial womb) would a woman's right to kill the baby disappear?

Whose choice?
Let's face facts here. The unborn baby is going to pay with its life and has no say in the decision. What I cannot accept from the libs is their commitment to save some animal or plant but have no regard for the life of an unborn

Koukl wrong on one thing
He says: "...the power to destroy human life in the womb lies not with the legislature, but with the courts."

Actually, it lies with the mother. I don't have a problem with addressing abortion as a public issue, through law, but Christians need to focus at least as much, and even more, on the heart of the mother. It's an untold story that Christians have, in fact, been doing that -- volunteering and giving to organizations that counsel and assist young women, and help them to turn their lives around rather than leaving them to the false promise of unaccountable sex, or in dangerous situations like drug dependency, or victimization through incest and rape.

No American electorate or judge is ever going to entirely exclude abortion as an option. The maximum we can anticipate from the law, even if we actually get to vote on it again, is a compromise position -- most probably, the limiting of abortions to the first trimester, or when the mother's life is jeopardized; abortions being legal in cases of rape and incest; the banning of partial-birth abortion; and the requirement for parental consent to a minor's abortion. The majority of Americans consistently favor these restrictions on abortion, but not an absolute ban.

We DO need to try to improve the character of our political leaders and judges. But the law will never eliminate abortion from America. The best law can do, in any realm, is punish offenses. It can't change hearts. Roe v. Wade was bad law, but we need to get over the idea that God is waiting for it to be reversed in order to reduce the number of abortions in the US. Rather, He is already rewarding the faith of His people who minister the love of Christ to women in crisis, one by one.

interesting twists
This column took some interesting twists. It began by looking like it was a support for pro-life candidates. This seemed even stronger when what counts as a pro-life candidate was made very narrow. And then in the twist ending it turns out that if a pro-life candidate should challenge pro-choice candidates of the Dems adn Repubs, that one should vote for a pro-choice candidate over the pro-life candidate

I can see the sense in that, but did not see it coming the way the argument was set up.

Another thing that was unclear is why if abortion is the one issue, and one wants to limit the number of abortions, one wouldn't want to support policies that would do so, like comprehensive sex education, greater supplies of contraception to the poor, economic policies that make women feel less deseperate and so less likely to abort, etc. I know many of these are things that conservatives tend to oppose. But if abortion is the one issue, how can these other considerations outweigh it?

Looking at the candidate's character
I would never vote for a candidate whom only agreed with me on abortion -- which I oppose. Why? Because if he disagrees with me on significant other issues, then I immediately suspect he's lying to me about abortion. I'm not saying a candidate must agree with me on all issues -- I can't even get my family to do that -- but I am saying that we need to be looking at the character of a candidate rather than just the issues he SAYS he supports. She could just be lying to get votes.

One of the things I like about the Internet is that I can go out and research the backgrounds of candidates. So they say they're against abortion. Did they say the same thing when they were running for office a decade ago? It's not that I don't think people can change their stance over time -- I was one who did -- but that you really need to look at why they changed their stance. If it was for political expediency, then you can't trust them to keep their word once they've been elected. Character is a permanent thing. Political platforms -- not so much.

Exactly
The government should not be involved in using the police power of the State to enforce a partisan moral code. The government actually has no authority over an individual other than what the individual chooses to give. Once a moral group has commandeered the police power of the State on its own behalf the issue ceases to be moral and is entirely concerned with the coercive police power of the State.

Great article
I am savign this to print and pass around (or email) to my friends and aquaintences next year.

My conscience and my moral sense tells me that Rudy Giuliani is an unacceptable standard bearer for the Republican Party and it's current platform. If he changes the platform, I will instantly become an Independent.

Therefore, we must coalesce behind a candidate who can beat Rudy, and then beat Hillary. I believe Mitt Romney fits that bill.

However, if no one stops Rudy from gettng the nomination (and even if he changes the platform) I intend to vote for Rudy against Hillary in the fall.

I don't like Rudy, and I don't trust him to do what's right by real pro-life conservatives. But, I DO trust Hillary to do what's wrong by us. And it is immoral to stay home, or waste my vote, when I have the opportunity to stop the evil that she would visit upon this nation - simply because there isn't a GREAT alternative in Giuliani.

VERY GOOD MORAL POINTS!

People aren't thinking about the babies. They're consumed with their own 'moral purity'.

Dr. Dobson take note


Re Dr. Dobson's comments about supporting a third party cndidate.


dyerje
Great comments.
I was reminded of what the late Eleanor Daly had to say about abortion.

"I would rather have a baby on my lap than on my conscience."

Eleanor was the wife of the late Richard J. Daly, Chicago's six-term Democratic mayor, and mother of the current mayor, Richard M. Daly.

Off-Topic, But...
The artical states:

"Before the Civil War, if your goal was racial equality, the most prudent thing to do would have been to vote for Lincoln even though he said he wouldn’t overturn slavery if that would save the Union."

But the record records that Lincoln DID NOT say any such thing BEFORE the war. What he campaigned on was backing up NEW ENGLAND in anything they said or did, and (the uncensored) history tells us this included violating the U.S. Constitution and open rebelion ("Bleeding Kansas") against the U.S.

Green--not off at all ATT DYERJE
au contraire, bro. Just ONE of the glaring lacunae in this "moral maze" (beyond Lon's "twisty") is the underlying FALSE dilemma of "the lesser of two evils". One COULD argue, on the very basis Koukl and Pope Ratzinger put forth, that the MOST effective action of an Abolitionist was to JOIN JOHN BROWN IN KILLING SLAVEOWNERS! If Slavery COULD NOT be abolished without a Civil War (debatable but ARGUABLE at THE TIME) then the MOST EFFECTIVE moral action against it--and therefore the moral imperative by THOSE LIGHTS--was to START that war as soon as possible!

To put it another way, the choice for Christians has too long been, NOT between lesser and greater evils, but between the RELATIVE SPEEDS at which we will continue an unabated march INTO evil.
Put that way Father West's "choice" was not between Lincoln and some non-Abolitionists, but BETWEEN TWO SLAVE OWNERS one of whom had slightly fewer and treated them slightly better!
Who would Father West suggest in THAT case!?

Further, Koukl completely ignores the message a PRO-FONG vote would have sent---that the CALF GOP can continue to IGNORE Pro-life views and get away with it because it COSTS them NOTHING!
Continuing to swallow unpalatable candidates simply because they are the only OFFERED alternative to something worse GUARANTEES that ONLY such choices will continue to be offered us.
I refuse the choice between two forms of death by torture at different speeds.

the big mick

att dyerje and Proud Liberal NOT
Nonetheless, there is truth to dyerje's point that INDIVIDUAL moral change is a PREREQUISITE to SOCIETAL moral change.
That's where the one who CLAIMS to be a "liberal"
(ain't no sucha thing, you got your commiequeers and your pseudolibertineians--that's all) stakes out a morally inverted position when he/she says

"The government should not be involved in using the police power of the State to enforce a partisan moral code."

To quote you PL "exactly"! And that is EXACTLY what is happening! The "partisan moral code" of ACQUIESCENCE not only to the MURDER of a human being, but--to put it in YOUR moral matric--ACQUIESCENCE to THE VIOLATION OF AN INDIVIDUAL'S RIGHT to LIFE and the IMPOSITION ON THAT INDIVIDUAL of ANOTHER's MORAL CODE is exactly what the "police powers of the State" through the Courts is IMPOSING NOW!

The ONLY way you get out from that logical cleft stick, PL is to ASSUME--and it's a "partisan moral code" if ever there was one--that the life we are talking about is NOT human! And even then, if your concern was REALLY about the rights of ALL individuals, not just about YOUR right to do what pleases you, you would tend to err on the side of protecting the rights of those least able to defend themselves.
Many of your commiequeer colleagues feel that way about animals, but won't grant it to an unborn child that has heartbeat and brainwaves and--to a high level of medical PROBABILITY some analoq to HUMAN feeling, thought, emmotion, LIFE!

the big mick

No president has the power
to stop abortion.

No president has the power to overturn a Sup Ct. ruling or interfere with Sup. courts of states or their legislastures.

Presidents can appoint judfes to appellant, circut, and the US Sup. Court with conservative or constructionist legal academics.

Rudy Giuliani has said, despite his personal background, multiple marriages, et. al, that he will appoint constructionist judges.
He needs a Senate that will confirm his choices.
Giuiuani has the possibility of bringing NJ, NY, PA, Arnie's CA, and New Eng. back to Rep. electoral columns. That probably means coattails.
It also means OH doesn't have to go Rep.

Those who want to be "pure" and vote for someone who will never be elected nationally or be able to stand up to Hillary's war machine should take a pedge never to appear again on TH with their whinings in the wilderness during her 8 year reign.

Proud commie keep on burnin'
And PL? When you say:
"Once a moral group has commandeered the police power of the State on its own behalf the issue ceases to be moral and is entirely concerned with the coercive police power of the State."
Does Waco come to mind? How about forced attendance in public schools that teach morally repugnant things and pseudo-scientific falsehoods to my kids? Should my tax dollars go to support THAT (read YOUR) "partisan moral code"? If you are a TRUE LIBERTARIAN as opposed to a commiequeer or pseudolibertinearian you would want the Government out of EVERYTHING, especially EDUCATION, WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION and COMMERCE REGULATION! ALL your "PROUD LIBERAL" colleagues favorite "partisan moral codes."
Me, I'm beyond L.Neil Smith, a TRUE Libertarian--I'm a Theistic Anarchist.

the big mick

conclusion--attRenny
Which is why I refuse to by Koukl's "eat crap with salt because it is better than crap without salt" and refuse the false dilemma.

I say I refuse to continue to enslave my kids and rape the Republic. I say Liberty and only Liberty is tolerable to me. I say the MOST effective action I can take is to not play the game and to make my demands clear. Therefore I REFUSE to vote for ANY candidate that does not agree in public and writing to my 4 pledges.
Anything less than this DOES ME NO GOOD! It would be BETTER-- more morally effective and efficient--to vote for Hillybama in the confident expectation they will push the Republic the last remaining inches into Socialism and in the hope THAT will finally ignite American Revolution Part 3 to RESTORE our stolen liberties.
To HELL with this "controlled" drift into commieqeerdom!

4 pledges below.

the big mick

4 pledges att Renny
C.S. Lewis points out that when you are going down the wrong road the ONLY RIGHT thing to do is STOP, TURN AROUND, and GO BACK!! Going more slowly down the wrong road buys you NOTHING!!

In essence Koukl and his ilk are counseling chosing to go slowly down the evil road. I say if the country won't turn around SHOVE it off the CLIFF and hope people will then WANT to turn around!

I demand the following pledges in writing and in public.

1. WIN the WAR FOR SURVIVAL against the Sandnazis on ALL fronts.
2. DEFEND our Southern Border against the Mexican Reconquista Invasion. (I believe this to be THE winning issue for the GOP--if they have the moral fiber, which I don't think they do)
3. RESTORE Constitutionalism by appointing ONLY Strict Constructionist Justices from a CONSENSUS list of the Top Ten MOST Strict Constructionist!
ATT RENNY if Julieannie wants my vote he's got to MAN UP on #2 and THIS!! I WON'T believe him until he NAMES NAMES off the consensus list and PLEDGES to VETO ANYTHING else that comes to his desk after they are nominated until they are approved.
4. REDUCE the size of the Fed Gov 3% each year of their admin in real actual terms not mere slowed growth.

All or nothing no equivocations or Hillybama, Socialism and the Revolution Part 3 it is.

the big mick

And one more thing.
actually two

What Koukl is really doing is NOT defending compromise as effective moral action, but counseling CAPITULATION by INCREMENTS! That's the TRUE EFFECT of his "compromise" and it ain't MORAL at all.
Don't give a damn what his INTENTION was.

I finally remembered I had added a pledge 5 a few weeks back as I considered today's election.

Pledge 5--To SECURE the value of my Franchise by establishing an IRON CLAD FRAUD PROOF VOTER IDENTIFICATION SYSTEM!
It's a ROBBERY with RAPE that our politicians have not done that by this election. And WE let them. What does that tell you about your fellow citizens like Proud Liberal and their willingness to cheat you?

WIN DEFEND RESTORE REDUCE SECURE!

the big mick

Isn't our God Pro Choice?
Let's bottom line this one. As an Evangelical, I am strongly against abortion becuase it is the state sanctioned murder of a human being. That said, I find myself being Pro-Choice. I will share the Gospel with a woman considering abortion, I would make sure that she was aware that she was in fact about to kill another human being, then I would step aside and let her choose. She will have to answer to God, not to me and I performed my duty as the watchmen by warning her of her sin.


dyerje
Last night they did a TV spot on a recently-observed phenomenon that more pregnant women are being diagnosed with breast cancer. They don't yet understand why. A woman who is pregnant and finds out she has cancer is immediately faced with horrible decisions. If she chooses chemotherapy and radiation, the baby may be killed or harmed (although a new program using one specific chemotherapeutic agent shows promise of not doing harm). If she chooses not to treat the cancer, the cancer may spread and kill her. And if she chooses to carry and bear the baby, she may soon die of cancer, leaving a motherless child. As I listened to all of this, I wondered what the anti-abortion folks would advise? And whether they would tolerate a decision made by the woman, her husband, and her doctor, if it happened to be not the decision the anti-abortion people would make?

Another opinion
I am strongly against abortion for birth control. I think its amusing that Choice is co-opted to mean a woman's right to do away with her 'mistake', instead of focused on where the choices really are.

The choice of who to sleep with.
The choice of when to sleep with them.
The choice of what protection is to be used.

If the pregnancy is a result of an irresponsible answer to the above three points I am 100% against the abortion and society for allowing those Choices to be made irrelevant in the discussion.

In cases where a woman is Forced into pregnancy by rape, then I feel it is her Choice to end the pregnancy and the damage the rapist has inflicted on her.

But it seems to me that most of the Choices are already made before the woman gets pregnant which makes the abortions shameful.


tdub writes:
But it seems to me that most of the Choices are already made before the woman gets pregnant which makes the abortions shameful.

Well said.

Concerning the article. The writer makes some excellent points in voting for Rudy over Hillary, and that's what he was talking about.

However, the second-class fireman (Rudy) will cause all of the firemen, the entire department (The GOP) to walk away from the job of fighting fires (social conservatism) for decades to come. Will cause his party to drift into the sea (of social liberalism) for years to come.

Yes, Rudy has said he will appoint stict constructionists to the bench. But where's the meat? Really. Look at his record as mayor, every judge he appointed was liberal. So you believe Rudy because why exactly?

As a social conservative I cannot support Rudy should be become the nominee. I am not suggesting a third party candidate is the answer. I am suggesting I will write-in my own candidate so I can at least say I voted for someone who will protect the innocent in our country. If you can't get that right, the rest is all fluff.

The author takes a leap (1 of 2)
quotes: "If you are a Christian, no other question should have more influence in your choice of candidates."

"...the one issue God is most concerned with when it comes to government"

" on the issue of abortion there can be no compromise."
***

First of all, Mr. Koukl steps out on a limb when he decides he should be the arbiter of how all Christians should prioritize their political decisions. But amazingly, he takes his arrogance even further and deigns to speak for God. Sorry, Mr. Koukl, you have the right to do neither. Perhaps *you* find abortion the most important issue, but you have no standing to speak for others and especially not for God.

On to the idea of "no compromise": again he is wrong. Most people are neither 100% "pro-choice" nor 100% "pro-life". Most people fall somewhere in between, what I would call "generally pro-choice with restrictions" or "generally pro-life with exceptions".

To say that there is "no compromise" is to assert that a pregnant woman whose life is threatened by a pregnancy still has no option to abort, which is in effect saying that she has no right to self-defense. Lilly brings up an interesting scenario above concerning breast cancer and treatment. Again, should the woman have no right to self? Are we saying that a *prospective* life takes precedence over a current life?

The author takes a leap (2 of 2)
Crucial to the debate is when does life begin. I know many "pro-choicers" who strongly believe that life begins with viability, that is, when the baby could live outside the womb; past that point, abortion should only be an option for life or health of the mother -- again the self defense angle (and I'm talking actual serious health problems, not the "health of the mother" legal verbage that is used to allow nearly any abortion in many places).

Others believe life truly does begin at conception -- that as soon as egg joins sperm & implants in the walls of the uterus, we have a person, an individual. Given such a belief, of course any abortion would then be murder.

To say that there is "no compromise" on abortion then is to say that the only valid belief is that life begins at conception -- to assert as absolute inarguable fact something that is still an open question. I'm not saying in this argument that one belief is necessarily more valid than the other, but both are at least reasonable conclusions that a well-meaning person can draw.

The details of how these two belief systems become legislated is a valid debate. By claiming to have God on one's side strictly hampers rational debate and paints one who disagrees not merely on the other side of debate but of God himself. That's not helpful to public discourse.

ABORTION & SEX-ED

.....Instead of just teaching how to have safe sex and passing out condoms and birth control pills ...how about also showing videos of actual abortions? ...

.....I'll bet that the videos will have the bigger impact on reducing teen pregnancies .....COLOSSUS

MOTHERS DAY CARD

.....Dear Mom ...

.....Thanks for not aborting me when friends and relatives were telling you that you were too young to be a single parent ...

.....Thanks for biting the bullet and giving me a chance at life ...

.....I know things were tough growing up without much money and you had to struggle to pay the bills and put me through school ...

.....I know at times the burden must have seemed too much to bear but you were always there for me mom and I just want you to know how much I appreciate it ...

.....And now that I am grown I want you to know that I will be there for you ...I love you mom ...thanks for giving me life ...

Love/son/daughter ...

.....COLOSSUS

lilly
I don't know what every anti-abortion individual would do, or advise. Since the situation you refer to would fall under "jeopardy to the life of the mother," I expect that in a restricted-abortion legal environment, a mother with cancer who wants to abort would be accommodated.

Notably, back when states had legal restrictions on abortion, pregnant women whose lives were in jeopardy because of the pregnancy had the choice to have an abortion. (As did victims of rape and incest. Mentally incompetent women could also be given abortions on the authority of a legal guardian.) Some states allowed elective abortions -- i.e., for none of the other reasons -- in the first trimester. The legal restrictions that existed then were voted on by state legislatures, and represented, as accurately as anything ever has, what the people really wanted.

The allowances for abortion that existed BEFORE Roe v. Wade were not in accordance with Catholic Church precepts, or the ideals of many evangelicals, Orthodox Jews, or traditional Muslims; and those allowances are what I would expect voters to go back to, if Roe v. Wade is reversed. If the people get to vote, they will vote to restrict abortion, not abolish it. That's why Christians need to focus on ministering to the mothers (and fathers!), to families, and to the community.

About court appointments...
I would agree with the author's article if we could be certain that Rudy Giuliani will appoint pro-life judges, or even non-activist judges. However, I fear that when the chips are down, Giuliani will appoint whomever he finds most expedient. In that case, how is voting for him any different than voting for Hillary?
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