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Thursday, June 18, 2009
George Will :: Townhall.com Columnist
Burned by a Tobacco Bill
by George Will
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WASHINGTON -- Politicians have extraordinary shoulder joints that enable them to pat themselves on the back, and last week the president, a master of that calisthenic, performed it in the Rose Garden. His subject -- aside from himself, as usual -- was the bill by which Congress authorized the Food and Drug Administration to regulate tobacco. The president called this "a bill that truly defines change in Washington" and "changes the way Washington works and who Washington works for."

Our leaders are often wrong but rarely so precisely wrong. In two important particulars the bill is a crystalline example of Washington business as usual -- the protection of the strong. The bill was supported by America's biggest tobacco company and by the Democratic Party's fountain of funds, the trial bar.

*** Special Offer ***

Congress could ban cigarettes, therefore it could ban tobacco advertising. Instead, tobacco advertising and promotions will be even more severely curtailed. These restrictions merit a constitutional challenge. Although commercial speech does not receive full First Amendment protection, Congress should not be allowed to effectively prohibit truthful communication about a legal product. Philip Morris, however, can live -- indeed, can flourish -- with the new restrictions on the marketing measures by which less powerful companies might threaten its dominance. And lest courts conclude that companies cannot be sued for behavior (selling cigarettes) governed, hence authorized, by a regulatory body, the bill stipulates that it shall not be construed to limit "the liability of any person under the product liability law of any state."

Government policy regarding tobacco, as regarding so much else, is contradictory and unlovely. Nevertheless, it has been, on balance, a success: Americans are behaving much more sensibly.

Before the surgeon general declared tobacco addictive (1988) and carcinogenic (1964), before a character in a 1906 O. Henry story asked, "Say, sport, have you got a coffin nail on you?" people intuitively understood that inhaling smoke is unhealthy. Smoking is addictive (although there are about as many ex-smokers as smokers), sickening, often fatal and usually childish: Ninety percent of all smokers start by age 18; few start after 21. But death and intelligence cost the companies 6,000 customers a day, so that many new smokers must be made daily just to keep up.

Ironies abound. The February expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program is supposed to be financed by increased tobacco taxes, so this health care depends on an ample and renewable supply of smokers. State governments, increasingly addicted to tobacco tax revenues, face delicate price calculations: They want to raise their regressive tobacco taxes (smokers are disproportionately low income and poorly educated) to just below where smokers are driven to quit.

Governments cannot loot tobacco companies that do not flourish. In a 1998 settlement, 46 states conspired to seize $206 billion from companies selling legal tobacco products made from a commodity subsidized by the governments that subsidize treatment of tobacco-related illnesses. The dubious premise of the settlement was that smoking costs governments substantial sums. Actually, tobacco is the most heavily taxed consumer good (Rhode Island's is $3.46 per pack) and the accurate actuarial assumptions of public and private pension plans are that premature deaths of smokers will save billions in payments.

In the early 1950s, the sponsor of anchorman John Cameron Swayze's "Camel News Caravan" on NBC television required him to have a lit cigarette constantly visible. Today smokers are pariahs in a country the Father of which was a tobacco farmer. Someday the ashtray may be as anachronistic as the spittoon, but fear of death may be a milder deterrent to smoking than is the fact that smoking is dumb and declasse. Dumb? Would you hire a smoker, who must be either weak-willed or impervious to evidence? Declasse? Twenty years ago, California cut smoking 17 percent with commercials such as: "I tried it twice and I, ah, got all red in the face and I couldn't inhale and I felt like a jerk and, ah, never tried it again, which is the same as what happened to me with sex."

Three decades ago, public outrage killed an automobile model (Ford's Pinto) whose design defects allegedly caused 59 deaths. Yet every year tobacco kills more Americans than did World War II -- more than AIDS, cocaine, heroin, alcohol, vehicular accidents, homicide and suicide combined.

In the time it takes to read this column, three Americans will die of smoking-related illnesses. If you tarry to savor the column's lovely prose, four will die, so read fast.

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This column was.... what?

Simply an anti-smoking diatribe?

It looks like he started out to comment on the stupidity of the new FDA/tobacco law, then got sidetracked.

I wonder what HE'S smoking.

What a waste of space. Even dumber than Will's usual gibberish.


Brian
This was a polemic against not only the Fed that is in bed with big tobacco, but those who consume carcinogens. If you don't like Mr. Will's writing, don't read it. If you think he is stupid, why don't you write something with more gravitas? Put up, or shut up. There is no need for name calling. It just makes you look petty.

Who cares
Smokes should be taxed.

Ban Smoking
I would have been more impressed if Congress and the President had banned smoking outright. Isn't the present administration for the health of all Americans?

Revenue is more important to the administration than health. As usual Mr. Will, excellent observations.

Control Freaks.
Hey, everybody dies of something, so why don't you ban everything?

In fact, my studies and statistics prove that babies cost America more than everything else, put together. And someday, they all die. Let's ban them. Or, at least tax them heavily.

George Will, really, what a bald-faced lie you tell, regarding what kills people.

The
age at death of a smoker is only 22 days less than a nonsmoker.

That study was done 30yrs ago.

And another thing, smokers are much more likely to avoid going to the doctor or get a "health" exam than nonsmokers.

Smoking KILLS. (Is this news to you?)
Having lost my mother, my step father , and my baby sister to smoking-related cancer, (another brother is now a former smoker, and I never took it up) I am much in favor of any action that will encourage more people to avoid tobacco use.
And yes, I did say that my family died of cancer, not smoking, but in every case, their tobacco use was sited as the major contributor.
One point from Mr. Wills' article bears further mention: What will become of the budgets of those states who depend so heavily on the ever increasing "sin taxes" when the "sinners" population decreases, by death, good sense , or economic necessity?
Bob

Smoking
What I do is my own business. I try to respect those who don't smoke. The government
needs to mind their own business. They spend
to much time on things that they need not
bother with but need to fix the problems that
need to be fixed.

It's not about health
It's all about greed.

Per recent reports, only 20% of Americans smoke. Since most holier-than-thou nonsmokers are happy to let someone else shoulder the financial burden, Obama was able to raise taxes on the despised smoker-minority without any debate and little political risk. Then he moved tobacco regulation to the FDA with the mandate that they be permitted to decrease nicotine content but not eliminate it. Well folks, multiple studies show that smokers tend to smoke more after switching to lower nicotine products in order to get their "fix". So what we have is the government raising taxes on 20% of the population and taking steps to increase tobacco consumption/revenue.

Like so much else about our corrupt gov't policies, it's all a shell game.

Facts
Facts are what are most often ignored. The facts, according to the National Cancer Institute, are that cigarettes, not tobacco, cause cancer. It is the additives placed in cigarettes that contain cancer causing agents. Also, according to them there is a safe daily consumable level of the cancer causing agent found in greatest quantities in second hand smoke. They also have determined the amount of that agent released into the air through smoking. According to their own figures it would take a wait staff person working in a smoke filled establishment 750 hours to ingest that the National Cancer Institute considers the safe amount one may ingest in one day. now may days often seem very long, but in reality they are only 24 hours and not 750.

Cigarettes are bad for your health, but it has not been proven by scientific method that cigars or pipe tobacco produce cancer. Carefully examine the facts. Don't buy into the propaganda.

Smokin' for the children
Eighteen days into the obma administration he and the legislative branch added a significant tax to tobacco. Not only did violate his pledge about people under 250k not paying extra taxes, it was extremely regressive by design.

Taxes on smokers by design hit the bottom socioeconomic classes. In this case, it targeted roll your own tobacco, the stuff the poorest people use the most. A carton of cigs went up $9, a can of Topps went from $13 to $39.

Way to fight the little guy Barry. Ooops, that was fight for? No, I don't think so, it wouldn't make sense to fight for the poor and tax the crap out of them specificically 18 days after you take power, would it? Oh, you get a kickback from the bootleggers, AND the tax money? And it is for the children? Ok, I get it now. Never mind.

tobacco today, alcohol tomorrow
The day after will be bacon cheeseburgers or chocolate - whichever has the most taxable and compliant consumers.

Wake up people! You're being manipulated and lied to with a tsunami of misinformation and half truths.

I like to smoke a pipe. I used to smoke little cigars, BUT when Obama made them too expensive I switched. When the price of the bulk pipe tobacco I buy goes above a certain point, I'll just quit, and cease to "support the children." Who will take my place?

It has been proven that smokers are predominately lower income types, and gubmint has rapidly made their vice so expensive, they are really in a pinch if they want to continue with the habit.

Another liberal lie exposed. They ALWAYS cause more harm to those they claim to be helping. It must be chiseled in granite everywhere in DC, "You can ignore the law of unintended consequences because the voters believe anything we say."

Incoherence
The federal government often takes action that limits freedom, raises more money to be wasted, exposes maddening inconsistency, subjects law-abiding citizens and businesses to ruinous lawsuits, produces unintended results, nags the public, or lets self-important officials seem to do something beneficial. The bill giving the FDA power to regulate tobacco accomplishes the whole list at once.

If Congress were truly interested in public health, it would simply ban tobacco, as it has banned heroin, or at least stop subsidizing it. If it wished to maximize revenue from tobacco, it would let smokers smoke and tobacco companies advertise as they see fit. If it wished to reduce cigarette smuggling -- an important source of income for Obama's new best friends in Hezbollah -- it would lower taxes on tobacco and encourage the states to do likewise. If it wished to flood trial lawyers' bank accounts, it would deregulate the tobacco industry and let producers and products multiply.

This bill is arrant foolishness, and we elected the fools behind it.

The Nanny State grows like a tumor
This is standard practice for the Nanny State. Using govt power to MAKE us do what's good for us. Govt should limit its role to providing information...so that people can make their own choices.

But, not with the Dems. No, they're going to use govt, taxation, and social pressure to restrict types of behavior they don't like. And don't think for a minute it stops with tobacco. The Left plans to go after alcohol, high fat foods, obesity, low mpg cars, etc.

How ironic that the political faction who screamed about Republicans "getting into our bedrooms" (e.g. abortion, gay bathhouse culture) apparently want the Nanny State in our kitchens, living rooms, garages, etc.

JohnR22
Amen! Speaking of Nanny states.

It was the George W. Bush administration and the Republican-controlled Congress which added the $50 billion a year Medicare Prescription, Part D program, while absurdly claiming it would only cost $40 billion a year.

When someone in the Congressional Budget Office wanted to inform Congress that the program would really cost $50 billion a year, the Republicans fired him.

This additional spending program was a handout to the pharmaceutical companies, on the backs of the American taxpayer.

A year later, President Bush campaigned about the looming crisis in entitlement spending. What a joke, this just after the Republicans had tacked on yet another entitlement spending program, paid by dumping the entire cost onto the national credit card.

Do you think an American should be able to shop for drugs in Canada or Mexico if that's what they want to do? The Republican party says that is criminal behavior. Talk about nanny-staters!

George
This is the dumbest column you have ever written.

Whether a free American adult chooses to smoke or not, your classifying them as worthless or weak-willed or whatever puts you solidly in the Obama-liberal camp. Your closet liberalism, your intolerance make me sick. Don't come crying to me about the Constitution, don't bother to decry the loss of our individual freedoms, or states' rights, because from you, I won't be buying it. Not now. You can't selectively choose which rights you'd like to preserve and those you're willing to sell down the river to suit your or Obama's idea of the perfect American. You've spent too much time in Washington, DC, my friend, and it's starting to show.

Supporting the federal government's intentions to legislate our behavior via taxation without representation makes you a liberal shill for the next attempt and the next attempt to make us conform to someone else's morality, or lack thereof. Just because you don't like smoking and apparently cannot tolerate the individual choices of all Americans, whether their behavior disturbs you or not, doesn't give you the right, nor does it give the government the right, to increase taxes on twenty percent of your countrymen who see it differently than you.

I can't believe you call yourself conservative, or that you even dared, in the past, to claim some sort of support for the Constitution. Just wait, my brother, the Feds will be coming for you next. Oh yes, they will be taxing something you choose to do in future and then maybe you'll get the picture. You just keep shilling for the new dictator and his policies. We the People are coming for you all. Yes, we're coming. Maybe you can hide from us in Obama's skirts, if you can stand his smoking, of course.

Long Over Due
Since the present administration is health conscious, why not a 5% tax on all products that contain corn syrup sweeteners?

Might as well add a 5 cent tax to every beverage bottle and can.

Why not an additional 10 cents on every burger served at McDonalds?

WE can reduce the deficit with Change.

Now it all makes sense
Congress didn't want to limit or discourage smokers and now it makes sense why a big tobacco company would be on board.

When I heard the bill included the ability to limit the amount of nicotine in cigarettes, I immediately thought--that is how they make up lost funds from people quitting/dieing. In addition to pure habit, people smoke for the nicotine. If they cut allowable nicotine in half the smoker will simply double their intake.

Double the intake of smokes and the government makes double the taxes and the tobacco company makes twice the revenue as well. Pretty nice racket they got going there.


Re Bushman's Post
The last thing I read online last night before I went to bed was an AlterNet article about how Shepherd Smith, FOX's least party-line anchor, is receiving death threats and resignation demands since he said, not in these words but with this meaning, "Napolitano was right" about a social climate now existing that was ripe for the Holocaust Museum shooting. Comments following that article focused on the far Right's instantaneous demand for the purge of all who deviate from a far-right position.

Now it's the next morning and the first thing I've read online is this article attacking George Will for being insufficiently conservative. Same message: The Big Purge.

To Bushman: Great username. For many years the Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago had an enormous gorilla named Bushman that died now a long time ago. I am delighted to see that he is so appropriately memorialized. A responsible government may assume responsibility for the public health, just as it would if the public water supply were full of terrorist-dumped poisons or if people were in danger of getting typhoid after a major flood. You have managed to ignore Will's point---that if the government is sincere about going after the danger tobacco poses to the public health, it would not hang onto the revenues it receives from the smoking industry. Instead, you have retreated into the usual whine of the adult-sized child, "I want it---I don't care if it's not good for me, I want it---you're not the boss of me". Will HAS a point, which is that the government position is hypocritical, and it's a stronger point than your whine. You missed what Will is saying.

Just leave us the hell alone
I am not a smoker; never have been; never will be, but that is my choice. I personally don't care if another "free American" chooses to smoke and if I don't like breathing the air around smokers, I am free to leave the area. I think what we are all missing here, including Will, is that we have something called the Constitution, in which there is an amendment numbered ten, which clearly states that "Powersw not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people". Simple enough, right? If the Constitution didn't give the federal government the right to deny a company the rightto advertise its product, or to market it in a way they found best, it is up to the individual and the state to make such a decision.

Federal government, just leave us the hell alone!

Tax anyone but me

That's the attitude of modern America. Find some minority we can pick on with the tax code. The totalitarians will not pick on alcohol consumers (kills more folks by the way)as there are enough of them to vote the control freaks out!

What happened to the "its my body" canard usually spouted by the loony left in both parties?

Tim
If you mean that it's only yourself you're hurting if you smoke, this isn't true. 1) The dangers of second-hand smoke are proven. 2) The last trip I made to Europe, I was prepared for having to have more smokers around me but I had forgotten a couple of things from the good old days when many more folks smoked here at home. I wasn't even out of the airport terminal yet when a man flinging his arm around gesturing as he talked, while holding a lit cigarette, flicked hot ash onto me. 3) Then at a resort I left my robe on a lounge while I got in the pool. Somebody smoking high on a balcony flicked ash downward; it burned a hole in my robe. I grew up in a house with two smoking parents. I know very well the constant smell of tobacco permeating everything and the constant filthy residue of ashes everywhere.

My son's mother-in-law was a chain smoker. Every time he and our daughter-in-law went to her mother's home to visit or eat a meal or play cards, they had to endure breathing in thick filthy smoke. That's not a problem any more; the lady died (quite horribly) of emphysema last year: her lung tissue was destroyed by her smoking.

Free Marlboros?
Not a peep about President Obama's brand?

Pat myself on the back for righting that wrong.

Now off to the liquor store for a fresh pack and a lottery ticket.


Grandma Hated Cigarettes
That's why she gave me a box of cigars for my sixteenth birthday. She also threatened to break my arm if she ever saw me smoking a cigarette.

I still have a cigar once or twice a week. My doctor doubts that it does any harm to do so. This is how tobacco is meant to be used. Best of all, it drives PC smoking Nazis bonkers.

No, I did not miss the point, Lilly
Maybe you should take a look at the larger picture. Will couches his liberal attitude toward the loss of individual rights and freedom of choice by pointing out the ironies surrounding taxes on tobacco, yet going on to assert that the Fed's experiment in legislating our behavior is a success. Anyone who might not agree, any American who smokes, is not, in his words, "behaving sensibly."

Will, and you, Lilly, are missing the larger picture--that freedom of choice is being taken from all of us, tax by little tax, and smokers were the first group used in this Federal experiment to modify and regulate all of our behavior because as a group smokers posed the least risk of lost votes to Congress and the President.

The Fed's have not yet introduced a campaign to save the nation the cost of health benefits provided to the obese, but they will. There's hardly any studies now on how much obesity costs the nation, health-wise, yet when the Feds want everyone to be trim and sporting only X amount of body fat, there will be studies and propaganda to encourage discrimination against fat people and turn them into second-class citizens. Then the taxes will start, for our own good you understand, on alcohol and soft drinks and fast-food, any item those Federal idiots believe contributes to obesity. All the Fed's have done with this assault on the rights of smokers is open the door to more regulation of all our behaviors until we conform to their ideal or pay through the nose for the freedom not to do so.

George Will left sufficient clues in his column as to his attitude toward smoking and smokers. Just as you have tried to insult and denigrate me for my last name. Sorry, won't lower myself to your level and return the favor, hon, although you make it tempting to do so.

Was this a backhanded way ...
of saying Obama is ignorant because he smokes? If it wasn't, it should have been. I like it!

Really though, the smokers I know aren't ignorant (well most of them). What happened was they got addicted when they were young and ignorant. Most would like to stop but have been unable to have longlasting success.

As a side note, my father smoked from the time he was a young teenager in the late 1920's until age 56, a full forty years. He made a deal with my mom that he'd stop smoking if she lost some weight. He stopped cold turkey over night and never had another cig. My mom, however, her body racked from birthing 13 babies, never did lose the weight.

Kicking the habit can be done but you have to have strong personal restraint.

Tod Kozeluh
Lexington, KY

Bias and Hatred
This article is a perfect example of what is and has been wrong with America. A few squeaky wagons, get all high and mighty, and decide they just don't like that, person, group, or thing. They get on their soap boxes, and before you know it, the Waxmans in Congress are passing Hate Crime Legislation. The haters feel good about themselves because they have saved America, only to find out the fertilizer they use on their beautiful green lawn is the Culprit, not Tobacco. Perhaps Mr. Wills has forgotten the media pronouncements that Washington State Apples caused Cancer, Orange Juice caused Cancer, Beef caused Cancer, and my all time favorite, and most recent, "Third Hand Smoke" causes Cancer. I think Mr. Wills should read Liberty and Tyranny by Mark Levin before he writes another one of his brilliant articles about who he hates.

Keep Smokin'
We need the tax money. Also smokers draw less social security. And they sound funny when talking through those cancer kazoos!

Hey, Har0ld in San Diego

Bud, I DO wrote better stuff, constantly.

See how my name's underlined? That means I have a blog.

So I HAVE "put up", dolt.

So why don't YOU shut up?


M.L.
You're reading way too much into this column. I rarely agree with the author, but this column isn't taking a stance on, well, anything. The real overall theme is just a small bit of how government thinks.

Step 1: Subsidize tobacco with tax money to make it cheaper to get people to smoke.
Step 2: Tax tobacco to fund health care.
Step 3: Get people to stop smoking.

It's just a big effort in money spinning. All tobacco laws do is take money from Source A, give it to Source B, fine Source B and then give it back to Source A again. All the while, the guy doing this round about joke is taking a fee for it all. If Source A just gave all the government workers who are in this the money directly and left Source B out of the loop, it would just be called welfare. Same thing happens with smokers. The left hand is telling people to smoke (subsidies), the right hand is telling them not to (taxes). Which is it? Do we want to protect the health of the public by getting them to quit or do we want to fund universal care by getting more people to smoke?

The tobacco laws in this country are just glorified welfare as the overall result is nothing actually happened but a government worker getting money. This is how most government programs function, not just tobacco laws.

hyporcracy
You forgot to mention that additives were banned from tobacco except menthol. Menthol being the candy that attracts African American smokers, a demographic that still smokes more than otheres. Menthol was excepted at the demand of the Black Caucus. They want to kill their own? Dismaying.

http://www.periodictablet.com

All taxes make government bigger
We can go back and forth if it is fair to tax the behavior of a minority, or whether the government can both penalize and subsidize the same legal behavior.

But we should remember that all taxes remove money from the private sector and put it into the hands of public "servants".

The money a smoker pays in taxes is no longer available to buy clothing, electronics, movie tickets or whatever good or service your employer happens to make.



Smoking
Don't forget the new payoff to the trial lawyers from this...that is what Obama and the Democrats really wanted. Get rid of trial lawyers and labor union bosses -- a small sliver of the American population and there'd be NO Democratic Party. None, zero, nada.


http://www.periodictablet.com

Roadmaster #12
Alcohol will be banned as soon as Muslim Barry gets his domestic Gestapo in force, with Gitmo prisoners as the officers and Mexican illegal aliens as the foot soldiers.

Alcoholic beverage workers will be killed, and wineries, breweries, and distilleries will be destroyed. Capone and other bootleggers will be attacked with napalm.

Beer is proof that GOD loves us and wants us to be happy. Beer is also proof that Allah is NOT GOD. That's why Odumbo will ban it.

Justin
You're right, but the picture is even more complex than the one you've painted.

The government has paid to grade and inspect tobacco, to improve the manufacture of tobacco products, and to raise tobacco yields. It has paid farmers to produce less, raising prices and thus taxing smokers twice. The government has bought tobacco outright. (The rations packed with armed forces survival rafts used to include matches and cigarettes. If you're 500 miles from land, and your life depends on a flimsy rubber raft, you should start a fire straightaway.) The government has lent or given money to foreign governments for the purchase of American tobacco. It has encouraged smoking in myriad other ways, for example, by providing generous healthcare benefits for those who suffer from smoking-related illnesses. But the government has also discouraged the use of tobacco by banning its advertisement, by issuing stern warnings against it, by taxing it, by pushing smokers out of the public square. It has discouraged production of tobacco by extorting money from producers and encouraging others to do likewise. It has driven countless people out of the tobacco industry, then paid for their occupational rehabilitation. And on and on. Everybody gets a welfare payment of some sort except nonsmoking taxpayers.

Under the rule of moral idiots, that which isn't compulsory is often forbidden, and the boundary shifts. It takes a rare idiot, however, to make something compulsory and forbidden at the same time. And only the world-class idiots infesting American government can manage to squander public money on all sides of an issue simultaneously.

It's no longer important which side, if any, is right. The government is broke and broken, and it should end all involvement with tobacco. No more subsidies. No more confiscation. No more prohibition. Nothing. Just leave it, and us, alone.


Put This In UR Pipe And Smoke It!
Obama playing hardball on Walpin as key Dem calls foul:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/17/obama-playing-hardbal l-on-walpin-as-key-dem-calls-foul/" target="_blank">http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/17/obama-playing-hardbal l-on-walpin-as-key-dem-calls-foul/


CBS Poll: Support For Stimulus Falls:CBS Poll: Support For Stimulus Falls

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/05/opinion/polls/mai n4778192.shtml

Rural Democrats differ with Barack Obama:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23828.html


Americans are souring on Obamanomics:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/17/hope-and-change-new-w sj-poll-shows-america-souring-on-obamanomics/


Democrats dodge ban on cash from lobbyists:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/17/obama-playing-hardbal l-on-walpin-as-key-dem-calls-foul/" target="_blank">http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/17/obama-playing-hardbal l-on-walpin-as-key-dem-calls-foul/


Obama makes token concession to gays, hopes they’ll leave him alone now:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/17/video-obama-makes-tok en-concession-to-gays-hopes-theyll-leave-him-alone-now/

PETA miffed at Obama for swatting fly:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/17/inevitable-peta-miffe d-at-obama-for-swatting-fly/


Sebelius’ double talk on public plan:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/17/video-sebelius-double -talk-on-public-plan/


Chuck Todd: 'Honeymoon coming to an end'

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23865.html


Pelosi wants Fed's "Secrets of the Temple"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/

Ron from Pa
I'd like to have a beer with you, dude.

Will uses anti smoker mantra
What shock to see George Will spreading the dogma of anti smokers. The article started off in the right direction, exposing the arrogance and greed of politicians.

The 1998 settlement ,Will says, seized $206 billion from companies selling legal tobacco products. That is a misnomer. That seizure was passed on to the consumers of the products that actually equates to a hidden tax.

The article ends citing the rhetoric of anti smoking crusaders, ie. tobacco kills-using exaggerated and fear mongering tactics. This ending suggests Will's personal opinion is tainted by corrupted conventional wisdom, corrupted institutions and the repetition of such by the media. On this count, Will's otherwise sound observations, failed his readership and the truth.

The exaggerated numbers claimed by anti smoker zealots are the result of a computer program called SAMMAC. That program is run by the Office on Smoking and Health, in Atlanta Ga. The computer is fed raw data and assumes certain categories are smoking related. No real people, living or dead, are studied, no doctors consulted and no confounding factors considered.

Adolph Hitler's quote certainly applies to the anti smoker movement to which Will readily surrenders (investigation was nil on this issue).

“The great masses of the people...will more easily fall victims to a great lie than to a small one.”

george will
I am an 83 year old British WW11 veteran. On the battlefield in Burma the company sergeant would give each man seven cigarettes each day except Sunday when he would give each man eight, making a grand total of 50 cigarettes per week. We also, situation providing, received a one ounce shot of rum. I had just three weeks to go to my 18th., birthday and neither smoke nor drank alcoholic beverages. I had more friends than Hot Lips on Mash. Point is, this was something the British Government decided was a good thing for morale. I did not smoke or drink alcohol until I was 24 years old and had lived in the US for three years. I then did both with gusto. I quit smoking back in the early fifties without a problem. Just decided I didn't like the habit. I quit drinking eight months ago as my wife had been told that she had intermittent memory loss due to alcohol. She quit also. She still smokes one pack a day. When we moved to rural Virginia from N,Y. 16 years ago her brand of cigarettes was $8.00 a carton, all taxes included. They are now $37.50 plus Virginia tax. Point is, this was engineered by trial lawyers at the whim of Slick Willie, supposedly to prevent minors from taking up the habit. The billions that went to the States has all been spent and the idea was all about tax money. They will come for alcohol and any other thing they can put their hot hands on to raise money to p&%s away on their cockamamie schemes. Last word. When I came to the U.S. 62 years ago, I thought I had died and gone to heaven. Not any more. America is not a shell of its former self and getting worse by the day.

Everything Will Kill You -- So, What?
herefreeman offers as to George Will's numbers, “The great masses of the people...will more easily fall victims to a great lie than to a small one.”

Agreed. It seems George Will has an irrational hate for smoking. Too bad.

For many, smoking is the one element that keeps them sane. And, if you are poor, with barely enough to feed your family, these vindictive self-righteous predators raise your cost of goods that may very well leave you with a choice of sanity or a meal. Nice.

I don't smoke (well, a celebratory cigar now and then), but I strongly reject taxing beyond what it takes to make us safe. Taxes only grows two things: Government and poverty. Taxing the rich is a ponzi scheme that hurts the poor the most.

Ever notice that it is the rich that write the laws to raise taxes on the rich? Heck, politicians know a good scheme. Raise taxes on the rich, the rich pass it back down to the poor in new costs of goods and services, causing more people slip into poverty --- Then, a politician comes along and declares that he will save the poor by taxing the rich! And, on it goes.

WHY Obama HIDES his BC
Joseph Farah of WND has written:

#Perhaps something in that birth certificate, if it indeed exists, would contradict assertions Obama has made about his life's story. These might even involve his true parental heritage. Without a real birth certificate, no one really knows who his parents were. So it is ridiculous even to speculate about whether citizenship could be conferred upon him by his mother, when we don't know for sure who his mother is.


#Perhaps it reveals a foreign birth, as Hawaii allowed for in 1961 while still issuing the "certification of live birth" we have seen posted on his website.


#Or perhaps it will show just what Obama has claimed all along – a birth in Hawaii to two officially non-citizen parents, for the purpose of establishing "natural born citizenship" under the Constitution.

Want to find out more about our FAKE POTUS then go to http://www.worldnetdaily.com ...

USPatriot56

I hope cigarettes work...
Thanks to my now 101 K, I must cease to exist within the next ten years. Cigarettes are the only acceptable form of suicide.
I use cigarettes to self-medicate. At the hospital, many medical doctors smoke outdoors with us cancer researchers. [Ironic, huh?]

I worry that I won't be the one in ten cigarette smoker to die early (before 76 years of age). What if I live as long as my smoking relatives (92 yrs. old, 89 years old, and 86 yrs. old) instead of dying like my non-smoking relatives before the age of 74 yrs. old? What will I do?

I sure wish someone would start a smoking club/ restaurant so I could go out and socialize with like-minded people.

Lilly - second hand smoke deaths are a myth and so far no one has been able to name even 3 people who have died from second- hand smoke in the U.S.

I would not wish to subject you to the fumes as some people don't like the smell of cigarettes. However, the fumes won't kill you.

One other point besides "it's my body and I can do what I want." Gays only make up 5% of the population, yet the death rate from their sexual activities kills more people before the age of 60 yrs. old than cigarettes do.

It's safer to smoke than to engage in anal sex; and you'll live longer, too.

What about...
this sneaky manuver by Nicotine Nazi's; I hope this is brought to public attention:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/repeal-fire-safe-cigarette -laws

Be careful

Killing a cash cow
The idiots in Big Government and the social engineers and health nuts are doing the same stupid thing that was done by the Carrie Nation's with prohibition in the '20s. Driving comsuption of a product that was deemed, in their blind eyes and narrow minds, addictive and destructive of health by those wanted to control the lifestyles of millions of Americans.
Once again, whatever came of personal responsibility and the legal pursuit of any consumption of a legal product be it smoking, beverage or even food consumption.
Just more control by the Left, Socialists and Statists that think they know best how we should live.
In the meantime, once again they are killing another source of income and destroying the lives of millions, especially the poor and lower income who have little else than enjoying a smoke.
Stupid.
Just another Government Regulation to attempt to control us all.

TO Old Tom. Reply # 1 Date: Jun 18,
YOU ARE RIGHT ON 100%.

Smoking cigarettes is stupid
This is a dumb thing to defend, especially from the Republican point of view. The American tax payer pays approximately $10 billion a year to treat uninsured smokers with chronic lung disease.

Everyone is up in arms when the government raised the tax on cigarettes because you claim that it was unfairly targeting the poor. Well, the poor shouldn't be smoking if they can't pay for their own hospital bills once they get sick. One in four smokers develop lung disease, and approximately 10 million smokers are on medicade. That means that about 2.5 million smokers are going to develop a preventable disease at the tax payers expense. So I see no reason against taxing the means by which they kill themselves so that we (the taxpayers) can be partially compensated and don't have to entirely foot the bill for their idiotic decision to smoke cigarettes.

As for the packaging of cigarettes, any other industry would have been shut down by the FDA and the consumer product safety board if it had a record of killing people as dubious as tobacco's.

Bushman
Your post is right on the money! The way I understand the Constitution it was written to guard the "individual liberty", not the momentary fad of a particualr time. Don't even bother replying to the likes of "lilly", she is totally whacked-out on Obama. Nothing Obama does can be, but PERFECT! She lost her ability to think for herself, probabaly in the pot smoking, acid dropping communes of the sixties.

Jeremy
You have bad information. Unfortuantely, only
1 in 11 cigarette smokers develop lung/heart problems attributable to cigarette smoking.

Tax, Tax Tax
Many years ago in a small N.C. farming community, my wife pulled tobacco (and also her family) to make a living. The government paid the tobacco farmers NOT to plant but so much acerage to keep the price high. I believe they called it subsidizing.
Now they want to tax it to death to (?) help balance the budget. So then it was don't grow it and now it's tax it. What do the mushbrains in Washington want?
If they need money(and this is refered to as a "Sin tax") why not tax the drunks who guzzle liquor and beer?
As to that commenter who said "God wanted people to be happy so he gave them Beer", Would you mind giving chapter and verse in the Bible as to that statement? All I ever read was Wine is a mocker and strong drink is raging and whosever is deceived thereby is not wise! Proverbs 20:1

Conspiracy to Harm
Tobacco Companies have ADMITTED they've added Additives that INCREASINGLY ADDICT people. Government has colluded with Tobacco Companies and Lawyers to gain $$ - thru campaign contributions & taxes. Major settlement $$ never went to health care or people, it went to government for other pet projects. I see this as a BETRAYAL by government. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT PEOPLE HARMED BY THIS PRODUCT. If they did, they would have banned it or at least regulated it via the FDA decades ago.

I think the criminals - those who deserve the most SCORN are the government, tobacco companies and lawyers.

Tobacco has a centuries-long history of stress relief/comfort and even hunger control. Many smokers started during WWII when soldiers were provided cigs by the U.S. GOVT. The harm grew much greater when tobacco companies increased the ADDITIVES (some directly carcinogenic). If government REALLY CARES, IF IT'S REALLY SO BAD FOR PEOPLE, then they should stop taking tobacco money, punish the tobacco producers, halt them, tax THEM, or jail them. People should REDIRECT YOUR SCORN TOWARD THE PIGGISH GOVERNMENT, TOBACCO COMPANIES AND LAWYERS, BUT QUIT ISOLATING AND MALIGNING THE VICTIMS OF ADDICTION AND PILLAGING BY SELECTIVE HIGH TAXATION. Instead of smugly patting yourselves on the back for not smoking (and serving your govt's manipulative agenda by recruiting you in their process), show some compassion, and consider that YOUR stress reliever of choice (everybody's got them) may just be next for social scorn and/or increased taxes or criminalization.
And while you're at it, knock off the glorification of skinniness; do you know that many teens start smoking because it increases the metabolism and curbs appetite, helping girls especially to conform to fashionable underweight?

Why only smokes
You know I smoke and I also like to have a drink now and again. I have NEVER EVER

Why only smokes
EVER lit a smoke in my car or lit one after dinner and hit a family of 4 in a car with mine head on and KILLED them all and then go to court and plea saying that it was all the alcohols fault. I get really mad when I hear that from people who drink. Why not tax the alcohol companies and the drinkers just as much as the smokers. People have a drink all the time with dinner expecially in Washington but yet after dinner they still have to drive home, impaired. That puts more people at risk than some 2nd hand smoke but people don't want to think about that. I say the more expensive the alcohol the more tax you need to pay when you buy it. That would take care of the deficite in no time at all. But with all the alcoholics in washington I guess that will never happen. At least my smoking does not impair me.
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