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Sunday, November 23, 2008
George Will :: Townhall.com Columnist
On a Rare '08 Conservative Victory
by George Will
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WASHINGTON -- Of conservatives' few victories this year, the most cherished came when the Supreme Court, in District of Columbia v. Heller, held for the first time that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to bear arms. Now, however, a distinguished conservative jurist argues that the court's ruling was mistaken and had the principal flaws of Roe v. Wade, the 1973 abortion ruling that conservatives execrate as judicial overreaching. Both rulings, says J. Harvie Wilkinson, suddenly recognized a judicially enforceable right grounded in "an ambiguous constitutional text."

Writing for the Virginia Law Review, Judge Wilkinson of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals says Heller, like Roe, was disrespectful of legislative judgments, has hurled courts into a political thicket of fine-tuning policy in interminable litigation, and traduced federalism. Furthermore, Heller exposed "originalism" -- the doctrine that the Constitution's text means precisely what those who wrote its words meant by them -- as no barrier to "judicial subjectivity."

The Second Amendment says: "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Until June, the question was: Is the right guaranteed to individuals and unconnected with military service, or only to states as they exercise their right to maintain militias? The court held, 5-4, for the former view.

In Roe, the court said the 14th Amendment guarantee of "due process" implies a general right of privacy, within which lurks a hitherto unnoticed abortion right that, although "fundamental," the Framers never mentioned. And this right somehow contains the trimester scheme of abortion regulations.

Since 1973, the court has been entangled in the legislative function of adumbrating an abortion code, the details of which are, Wilkinson says, "not even remotely suggested by the text or history of the 14th Amendment." Parental consent? Spousal consent? Spousal notification? Parental notification? Waiting periods? Lack of funding for nontherapeutic abortions? Partial-birth abortion procedures? Zoning ordinances that exclude abortion facilities? The court has tried to tickle answers for these and other policy questions from the Constitution.

Conservatives are correct: The court, having asserted a right on which the Constitution is silent, has been writing rules that are detailed, debatable, inescapably arbitrary and irreducibly political. But now, Wilkinson says, conservatives are delighted that Heller has put the court on a similar path.

In Heller, the court was at least dealing with a right the Constitution actually mentions. But the majority and minority justices demonstrated that there are powerful, detailed, historically grounded "originalist" arguments for opposite understandings of what the Framers intended with that right to "keep and bear arms."

Now the court must slog through an utterly predictable torrent of litigation, writing, piecemeal, a federal gun code concerning the newfound individual right. What trigger locks or other safety requirements impermissibly burden the exercise of this right? What registration requirements, background checks, waiting periods for purchasers, ballistic identifications? What restrictions on ammunition? On places where guns may be purchased or carried? On the kinds of people (e.g., those with domestic violence records) who may own guns? On the number of gun purchases in a month?

Judicial conservatism requires judges to justify their decisions with reference to several restraining principles, including deference to the democratic branches of government, and to states' responsibilities under federalism. But, Wilkinson writes, Heller proves that when the only principle is originalism, and when conscientious people come to different conclusions about the Framers' intentions, originalist judges must resolve the conflict by voting their policy preferences.

It has been said that the most important word in the Supreme Court's lexicon is not "liberty" or "equality" or even "justice," it is "five." But whereas in baseball a tie goes to the runner, in controversies about the constitutionality of legislation, a tie between serious arguments should, Wilkinson says, tilt judicial judgment to the democratic side -- the legislature.

When rights are unambiguously enumerated, courts should protect them vigorously. But Wilkinson says that when a right's definition is debatable, generous judicial deference should be accorded to legislative judgments -- particularly those of the states, which should enjoy constitutional space to function as laboratories for testing policy variations.

Roe and Heller, says Wilkinson, diminish liberty by "handing our democratic destiny to the courts." Many libertarian conservatives disagree, arguing that the protection of individual liberty requires robust judicial circumscription of democracy.

So, regarding judging, too, conservatism is a house divided. And as Lincoln said (sort of), a house divided against itself is really interesting.

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"conservatism is a house divided" ?

So we can find one instance (barely) of a court favoring a Conservative position against (barely) the will of the (ignorant) people... And George Will 'must' write about it.

A thousand rulings in the other direction... And nothing but dead silence from good ole George.

1. This isn't news. The whole argument was spelled out the day of the ruling. I don't remember any Conservative parades?

2. The "house divided" is divided by none other than those spelling out Conservative divisions in every damn article they write.


Ever think about writing an Article on the core of the Democrat vote? You know, the ones who do not have the capacity to read your article - as a result of their vote.

That would show 'empathy' for the wretched ones the elitists pretend to care about, and oftentimes conveniently ignore.

Scary
I was shocked that Heller wound up five to four. The idea that the framers, all of which I'm sure, owned, and probably carried, personal firearms, meant to deny citezens the right to keep firearms in their homes, is just plain scary.

Now we have a president that, given the chance will appoint supreme court judges to overturn Heller. And John McCain bears major responsibilities for not making this a bigger issue.

I don't mean to further beat up on poor ole John, but for God's sake man, what were you thinking?

This is really simple. The court did
not go far enough.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The answers to Will's list are simple:

Unless someone has lost rights by due process (i.e. been tried and convicted of a crime - presumably violent), no government entity can limit the number, frequency or kind of arms & ammunition a citizen can own and carry.

Background checks and registrations are not prohibited by the 2nd Amendment, so as Will says, they should be up to the legislature.

But I guess that's all too simple for enormous brains such as the one Anthony Kennedy possesses...

Ken92 ...

You couldn't understand the article, eh?

Thanks for proving my point dumb-dumb :)

Leftist contempt for the BILL OF RIGHTS
Always, for the left, the focus is on the word 'militia' which in the 18th Century US was made up of INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS.

Never is the focus on the clause '..the right of the PEOPLE to KEEP and BEAR arms shall not be infringed.'

These were PRE-EXISTNG rights - not in any way those granted by the federal gov't. And they were NOT to be messed with.

The leftist attack on the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with deconstructing the clear language and intent of the amendment but it has everything to do with the socialist left's disarming of the population.

This is what the fascists do as a first step to taking dictatorial control. Look at any state where they've come to power - the camps, the prisons and the slaughter ALWAYS follow.

Oblowhard obfuscated and lied his way into the White House. How he goes after the guns will define him - and dictate the course of action.

Hey Ken
Is 92 your IQ, or the number of times you dropped LSD?

Here's a number for you. One. As in, have you ever had one original thought? If so, please share it with us. Otherwise, please go back to the dailykos with the rest of the blithering morons.

highest rates gun per person 2001
Highest Rates of Gun ownership in 2001
USA
Iraq
Switzerland
Serbia
Afghanistan






Isn't it funny
That the dems hollar and scream for waiting periods, tougher registration laws, assault weapons ban etc.

But when it comes to abortion, no waiting, one stop shopping.

The right to privacy got Roe pushed through, but when it comes to your guns, there is no privacy there.

he he he he
Ya wanna really pi$$ of the dems? Texas is currently trying to pass an open carry law of guns. Where you can safely carry a gun sheathed in it's holster on your belt or what ever. Start pushing for that with Texas, and you really see some heads roll with steam blasting out of the dems ears. Oh, I can't wait to see it happen!

2nd Amendment
Isn't the bill of rights in total geared to "INDIVIDUAL" rights??!! Also, WHY IN THE HELL would the founders put such an unnecessary, superfluous, inane provision in the constitution IF it were solely applicable to a militia? Without the 2nd amendment, the militia might be expected to fight with corn stalks, perhaps??

original intent by practice
It took the federal government 143 years to pass any form of gun control
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/guntime1.html
Gun rights were vehemently protected throughout the 19th century, if that does show how the framers thought I don't know what ever will, I applaud the recent Supreme Court decision.

kool muse
No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands].
Thomas Jefferson, Draft Constitution for the State of Virginia, June, 1776

Thomas Jefferson: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assassins; they serve to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."(1764 Letter and speech from T.
Jefferson quoting with approval an essay by Cesare Beccari)

George Washington: "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them [guns] by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference [crime]. When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." (

More founding father quotes
George Mason: "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." (3 Elliot,
Debates at 380)

Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in
almost every country in Europe." (1787, Pamphlets on the Constitution of the US)

Thomas Jefferson: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (T. Jefferson papers, 334, C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)

James Madison: "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of
other countries, whose people are afraid to trust them with arms." (Federalist Paper #46)




What the founder meant by militia
George Mason: "I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people." (Elliott,
Debates, 425-426)

Richard Henry Lee: "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and
include all men capable of bearing arms." (Additional letters from the Federal Farmer, at 169, 1788)

In their own words.....
Adolf Hitler: "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead."
(Chancelor's Speech, 1935

Adof Hitler: "The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subject peoples to possess arms. So let's not have any talk about native militias." (Hitler'sSecretConversations, 1941-44, Farrar, Strauss and Young, 195

Mao Tse Tung: "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must
command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party." (Problems of War and Strategy, Nov 6 1938, published in "Selected Works of Mao Zedong," 1965)

Mahatma Gandhi: "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." ("Gandhi, an Autobiography," M.K. Gandhi,
446)

Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
("General Introduction to Psychoanalysis," S. Freud)





Army Wife
Your research is pertinent. Isn't it curious that our Jewish citizens (most) continue to vote for the liberal candidate that favor taking away our right to bear arms and that favor abortion (read "holocaust")?

koolmuse went to college.
koolmuse, you fool. They even lied to you about the Battles of Freeman's Farm and Bemis Heights. Those weren't militias stopping Burgoyne, that was Gen. B. Arnold and Col. D. Morgan, with their highly trained and experienced troops. Morgan had fought along side Washington from 1758 onward -- the French and Indian War, then from 1776 onward, Boston, Quebec, Saratoga; and Morgan was sent by Washington to assist Gen. Green in stopping Cornwallis in the Carolinas.

Your Professors were liars on this minutiae, as well as everything else contained in your posts. I suggest you go get a life, get off here. You merely prove the purpose of us remaining armed.

2nd amendment
It is indeed strange that some people suggest all kinds of impediments against one's ability to protect himself or herself. Yet, at the same time find no need for any impediments against destroying the life of the most innocent and most vulnerable people, the unborn. A nine month stay of execution for the unborn seems reasonable to me. The liberal thinking seems to be that it is ok to kill defenseless people but it is wrong to kill heinous people who assault, rape, rob, and try to kill them. That can't be correct thinking, can it?

koolmuse
as per your Date: Nov 23, 2008 - 4:17 AM EST
post


Go ahead and put up a sign in front of your home, make it a big sign, have it read:

ATTENTION!
ALL BURGLARS, THIEVES, HOME INVADERS, ROBBERS, RAPISTS, MURDERERS AND ANY OTHER CRIMINALS:
THERE ARE
NO GUNS
IN THIS HOME!

Go ahead do it, I dare you! Heck! I double dog dare you!

juris'prudence'
Hoo boy. Ol' Geo. is really straining for his paycheck this week. Gotta come up w something. I guess. Legal decisions not emanating ultimately from God's Law and Morality and common sense give rise to evil and mass confusion such as we're now experiencing. Roe was obvious and catastrophically evil social engineering personified while Heller is nothing more than plain common sense. The 'judges' (the majority) who regard themselves as philosopher kings (e.g. the supreme libs, Kennedy, and the 'judicial' left generally, etc.) do us horrific damage, as I think the CA supreme libs will soon show re: Prop. 8, what with all the ridiculous and transparent political maneuvering the majority will engage in so as to reimpose homosexual 'marriage' there.
It's remarkable stupidity that people so sheepishly put up with that sort of thing. People really are easily sucked in, as The Obamessiah will soon show. He was elected because of understandable economic frustration, frustration with the reps. generally and the fact that he's novel - (1/2) black (and vacuous at base) - and he's now convinced that he has a crazy extreme left mandate to effect. I think he may actually believe what he's said all these wearing months. There won't be any centering tendency this time, at least not from Him, as His Emily's list appt. and His other forthcoming actions will inevitably show.

Big Difference--Gun and Abortion Cases
Will notes but then disregards that there is a big difference between the "right to bear arms" expressly protected by the Second Amendment and the so-called right to abortion: the language of the "right to bear arms" is in the Second Amendment, whereas the right to abortion is not stated in the Fourteenth Amendment, just the right to "due process of law" before life, liberty or property is taken by the state.

The "right to bear arms" simply takes recognition of the express language of the Second Amendment and disallowing state laws that interfere with that right based on tyhe text of the Second Amendment. Judicial review of state gun laws is unavoidable and text-based.

In contrast, the right to abortion takes a jurisprudence allowing a judge to see the Constitution as a "living document" and use a libertine philosophy of abortion to be read into the words "due process of law" so as to recognize a right in the Constitution to an abortion that disallows almost all state regulation based on "tests" made up by judges themselves (undue burden, trimester, etc.). Judicial review of state abortion laws is a matter that conservatives rightly dispute, especially since it has led to an extensive abortion code.

It is therefore mistaken to draw from the abortion right cases under the Fourteenth Amendment anything that pertains to gun right cases under the Second Amendment. With all due respect to Judge Wilkinson, the analogy is not apt.

The KOOLMUSE mistake
You suggest that the upcoming "change" from war to "talk" is what democracy is all about. Historically, talk, has only delayed the inevitablity of using force to backup what was talked about. That kind of "change" will not happen now with Barack Obama as president. He already has said we will send more troops to Afaganistan. "Talk", has failed in North Korea when done by the Clinton administration. "Talk" has failed in the mideast for centuries. "Talk" has failed with Iran on their nuclear ambitions. "Talk", is cheap. Most people cannot "talk" very well so it is doomed to failure. But, force "speaks" louder than words. It was "force" not "talk" that ended the holocaust. It was "force" that granted America it's independence and freedom.
It has always been and always will be "force" that accomplishes the most important things in life... "that among them are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".

koolmuse.
Thank you for proving my point, college boy.

koolmuse
koolmuse
per your Date: Nov 23, 2008 - 4:36 AM EST post

29,7000 of you were shot to death in 2004 (latest available figure I could find).

Then per your Date: Nov 23, 2008 - 4:50 AM EST post

30,000 shooting deaths a year...you ignore.

So in span of 14 minutes 3000 more people were shot to death?

Is there anyone else out there that thinks that koolmuse is pulling numbers out of thin air??

So koolmuse, if that is your real name :), which of the two following scenarios do you foresee ensuing should firearms be outlawed?
A)
Criminals will say, “What! Guns are outlawed? That's it! No more criminal activity for me! I'm going straight, I'll never commit another crime.”
B)
Criminals will say,“What! Guns are outlawed? Well, I'm not going to give up crime, I will continue to break numerous other laws, but boy howdy, I'm not going to break laws against guns while I am breaking those numerous other laws.”

Allow me to suggest the scenario that I foresee should guns be outlawed:
The same organized criminals who smuggle illegal drugs across our borders (it worked really well to outlaw these drugs don't you think? ... or do you?) will smuggle guns across our borders and in addition to drug wars we will have guns wars and even more people will die.

Now to be fair with you koolmuse, I do agree with you that in our day and age the government has the people out gunned.

koolmuse
The SCOTUS already ruled that the people have a right to be armed - or did you miss the D.C. ruling?

Please folks
don't feed the trolls. When you wrestle with a pig in a puddle, you just get all muddy and the pig enjoys it. People without a life crave recognition, and even negative recognition is much better than none at all. Disagreement with their point of view is interpreted as "hate" or "racism" and is used to bolster their feelings of self importance and superiority. When ignored, they go away.

on those pesky rights....
Koolmuse if you support abortion then any and all "argument" that you pose is rendered a moot point and your hypocrisy is on display for the world to see. Go get another bong hit junior this is for the grown ups to discuss.

Mr. Will sprints past
his most important point: "In Heller, the court was at least dealing with a right the Constitution actually mentions." Yes, the right of the individual to bear arms is in the Constitution, and the Supremes have finally said so publicly.

Any who doubt what the Founders thought about private possession of firearms should review what they said and wrote on the subject, beginning with the quotations helpfully provided by Army Wife 1228 (0448). It might also be beneficial to read _The Case for Liberty_ by Helen Hill Miller -- long out of print, alas. Miller argues that those who crafted the Bill of Rights had in mind not only their own recent experiences, but also earlier events such as Bacon's Rebellion; that they deemed the right to bear arms an individual right; and that they considered the possibility that individuals would eventually take arms against the very government they were building.

Of course opponents of self-defense will not quietly accept the _Heller_ ruling as the settled law of the land, as proponents of abortion would have us accept _Roe_. Gun-control absolutists will try without ceasing to nitpick the _Heller_ decision to pieces. Their predictable behavior is not an argument against the decision. Just the opposite: it is a reason for jurists at all levels to affirm often and loudly the individual right to bear arms.


Historically, the people Are the Militia
In Concord and Lexington when the Kings men fired at the people defending their town and armory who stood up to them?...THE PEOPLE

Who was called on to "bring your powder,bring your arms and report to General Washington"..The People

When writing our Declaration Of Independence..the founding fathers said...

When a long train of abuses and usurpations pursuing invariably the same object, envinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotisim, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government and provide new guards for their future security...

He has made judges dependent on his will alone..
He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent swarms of officers to harass our people...
He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to the civil power...
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws..

That's what The PEOPLE fought for and against..
How can anyone not say we're in the same boat today is beyond me...
Let me remind you of the socialist elect's speech given July 2,2008
""We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded"
And what our founders would say back...
"The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is,

As a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

Thomas Jefferson



Koolmuse do you support abortion?
Simple question.....

THE FORGOTTEN WORD
RE-READ the 2nd Amendment. The framers intent hinges on one word they left out, not on purpose, but they unfortunately assumed it was not necessary, believing both common sense readers as well as educated readers of the Amendment would understand their written intent without having to insert the 'missing' word--AND.
So re-read the Amendment, after the word state put the word 'and' instead of the comma which framers believed would suffice for separating the two individual aspects 'militia' and 'the people'.
I guess the framers never had to deal with the likes of Bill Clinton, having to define the definition of the meaning of 'IS'. Or they would have used the word 'And' instead of a comma.

well sparky i would say that....
doesn't quite answer the question. Do you or don't you? Stand up for your beliefs and defend them.

THE UPCOMING
far left liberal government and its newly appointed Attorney General will do everything in their power and will most likely succeed in banning all individual rights to keep and bear arms.
This government will create a domestic security force 'militia', being the only 'citizens' allowed to keep and bear arms to be used to 'protect' the government from 'We the People' infringing on it.

ahh sorry bout the delay but i also
believe that you are parsing words. Maybe the proper phrasing of the question "Do you support the woman's unfettered right to choose an abortion?" I just want to ensure that you don't try to weasle out of this question.

Koolaid isn't so much a
college student as he's a lawyer.
It is demonstrably proven that we have too many lawyers in positions of power in America, and they prove it every time they go extra-constitutional in their endeavors.
The Constitution was created to be specifically understood by laymen, so every time another lefty tries to point out how vague and open to interpretation it is, I submit that it's because you're a lawyer, and EVERYTHING is open to re-interpretation to you, as you make a living doing just that.

Gun control
Lets see if I got this right, I am not suppossed to be able to protect my family or my home or myself against any intruder wanting to do us harm, but Obama, who has 24/7 protection surrounded by well armed men, bullet proof glass on all vehicles, which I the tax payer pays for, thinks I should give up my guns without any question or arguments. Hummm Kinda sounds one sided.

Fine, Koolaid,
then let it be corrected the way the Constitution was designed to be "corrected".
It's called the amendment process.
Any other method is unconstitutional.

Koolmuse,
Using your (flawed) methodology -

In 2004, 42,636 Americans died in auto accidents, therefore we must ban autos and remove them from the 'hands' of the 'individual who apparently can not use them properly. And, oh btw, Koolmuse, the auto is not even mentioned in the Constitution.

Also, the correct figure for 2004 Firearm Deaths is 29,569 - 16,907 of which are suicides. And the total of accidental deaths (all causes) for 2004 was 102,742. 41% were auto deaths and 27% were firearms deaths (actually only 1% of that 29,569 were accidental deaths).

So - which should we ban now - guns (which are mentioned in the Constitution) or autos?



koolmuse
I repeat - this is settled law.

And you clearly haven't learned anything from history about what happens to citizens when they are disarmed.

If you don't like the rulings - then go on a campaign to amend the Constitution.

Or start going to the homes of gun owners and disarm them yourself.

Otherwise, stop whining. It's unbecoming - even for a libsquirt.

End of the Constitution
Lincoln put an end to any serious concern about
what the Constitution means. As a result the
Ninth and Tenth Amendments are ignored today.
So the Constitution means whatever the current winds of doctrine want it to mean.

I carry a gun - policemen are too heavy
The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights found by the U.S. Supreme Court, in District of Columbia v. Heller (June 26, 2008), to protect the pre-existing individual right to possess and carry weapons (i.e., "keep and bear arms") in case of confrontation.

Codification of the right to keep and bear arms into the Bill of Rights was influenced by a fear that the federal government would disarm the people in order to impose rule through a standing army or select militia, since history had shown taking away the people's arms and making it an offense for people to keep them was the way tyrants eliminated resistance to suppression of political opponents. Also in Heller, the Supreme Court ruled self-defense to be a central component of the right.

'I carry a gun because Policemen are too heavy.'

unkoolmuse
Tell your lib prof that is feeding you that BS he is wrong. The people are every citizen. Period.

Tip: "We, the people" means every individual citizen.

Last, the 2nd tells the right to bear arms will not be INFRINGED, which means the right to be arms will not be weakened or even encroached upon - in cases like D.C. v. Heller

koolmuse
When Churchill said, "Anyone under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart. Anyone over 30 who is not a conservative has no brain", he was thinking of you - and most other students.

Um...
They're both pyrrhic victories, rife with potential disasters and certain contentious debate for the body politic.

Koolmuse...3rd amendment..quartering
I, the owner of my house, hearby quarter myself and my family of "soldiers/militia" in my home with the intent to ward off tyranny in government...

What are the first the words in the Constitution...

WE THE PEOPLE

In the 1st,2nd,4th,5th,9th,10th,14th,19th, etc..amendments refer directly to the rights of The PEOPLE...

Don't go there because you think you're so smart.... the founding fathers were smarter!

I am John Galt conservative
I agree with you there are too many lawyers in politics. We need more citizen politicians, more business people, in Congress.

We have Congress now trying to legislate business practices on the Big Three - and none of the interogators ever had to make a payroll. They know nothing of risk and reward. They know nothing of business, salesmanship (unless it is tooting their own horn), production, actually making something.

Which is another reason why the Conservative model of creating an environment of pro-growth then getting the hell out of the way is best suited for economic growth. Gov. gets their hands on standards and practices in mfr. et al. and they just screw it all up.

Now, like TR busitng the trusts and combinations, if we see wrong we have a duty to do right. But that's it.

Individual or Collective Rights

A sexual act between a male and a female is an implied contractual agreement between two consenting adults or it is Rape, Incest Rape or Statutory rape and all are covered under existing law.

Birth control pills, prophylactics, tube tying, vasectomies etc. are a matter of conscience NOT of law.

The taking of human life is NOT a matter of conscience but a matter of law.

I am a strong believer in 'Individual Rights' and NOT a believer in a 'Democracy' but in a 'Constitutional Republic', which America was founded on.

1) Democracy = mob rule, if a group of citizens decide to hang some one, all involved would have a vote, even the one being hung in a 'Democracy', the mob 'vote' would rule.

2) America was founded as a 'Constitutional Republic' and has two principle elements: A Republic is controlled by Law, therefore a Republic does not control Law. The United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights gives every American Citizen the same 'Rights and Protections' no more - no less.

The 'Individual Citizen' in America is the smallest minority group, NOT some 'collective group' comprised by gender, race or ethnic origin.

When an American Citizen or a 'collective Group' of American Citizens are granted rights and protections that does NOT apply to every other American Citizen that violates the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Activist politicians and activist judges have 'granted' rights i.e. Affirmative Action to 'collective groups', which is a 'Direct Violation' of the Rights and Protections of every American Citizen NOT in those 'collective groups'.

The 'fear' of Abortion Rights advocates is, that a different set of Activist Judges may reverse 'Roe vs Wade'.

When does a baby have 'Individual Rights'?

The 'fear' of Abortion Rights advocates is that a Baby might have the same Rights and Protections that Abortionists have.

unkoolmuse
go try to incite some of your compatriots at dailkos, you dweeb.

they are the excitable types. you know what I mean.

We Republicans believe in rule of law. There will be no armed insurrection ever on our part.

Though the left likes the practice. So go to dailykos because when Obama starts breaking all his promises it'll be a hornet's nest with those losers

Finally!!!
Now this is the George Will who write for the people. This is the kid of article that teaches without the teacher puffed up like a peacock.

Mr. Will wrote things just for me, here. Things that attach a layer of understanding so that I can utilize the next piece of learning more efficiently.

GW:Judge Wilkinson of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals says Heller, like Roe, was disrespectful of legislative judgments, has hurled courts into a political thicket of fine-tuning policy in interminable litigation

MH: These are the words that clarify my shadows of thinking.

GW:Conservatives are correct: The court, having asserted a right on which the Constitution is silent, has been writing rules that are detailed, debatable, inescapably arbitrary and irreducibly political.

MH: Thank you, George Will.

Kool-
the reason we keep electing lawyers is that anyone who runs that isn't is usually creamed by the media, who love "experts", and who better to legislate than people whose job it is to deal in legal coin, right?
Besides, election law has been redesigned so that only rich people have any chance to win anyways, and lawyers are among the richest people- they've litigated it that way.
When laymen - or citizens who aren't lawyers run for high office, an army of lawyers is on hand supporting their fellow legal "experts" by picking at any aspect of their opponent's life that can be used to discredit them, while using legalese to defend their man.
It's a stacked deck, and therefore I'm glad the citizen has a gun, if only to remind the cardsharp that getting caught cheating could be hazardous to your health.

unkoolmuse
You are parsing we and the people - and anyone with half a brain knows the meaning.

I know how important it is what the meaning of is, is; that age old question even you are trying to figure out, so I'll leave it at that.

Get back to us when you figure it out dweeb.

One other thing
I'm not saying thank you because I am a conservative. I am saying thank you because I patiently wait for someone to expose the truth without looking over his shoulder.

Writers should have great foresight. What I've seen too often are writers like Kathie Parker who know that controversy and sensationalism boosts their career.

For Mr. Will it seemed like got lost in some delusion, but now, perhaps he is back.

interesting discussion
The Constitution is silent on issues of abortion and right to life, as well as a right to privacy.

It is not silent on right to bear arms.

Therefore, the right to bear arms is fundamental to the citizens of our Beloved Republic.

The issue of abortion, whether to permit or forbid it, should not be a constitutional issue.

The right to bear arms is a constitutional issue.

As previous posters have mentioned, the clause within the second amendment that can stand alone is the part that says, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

First part of the amendment, "a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state", cannot stand alone.

It is subordinate and dependent upon that part of the amendment which states, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

And that is unequivocal.

To me, what this means is state and local jurisdictions have alot of discretion on abortion, since the Constitution is silent on it.

But not on the right to bear arms.

The right to keep and bear arms is enshrined in the Constitution.

It is a fundamental right.

To me, the USSC had to step in when a local jurisdiction abrogated the citizens' right under the 2nd Amendment...placing so many impediments upon the citizen's access to immediate and/or emergency use of his firearm as to make that right meaningless.

On abortion, since there is no "right" one way or the other, the USSC should have stayed out of it, and let each state legislature decide that issue.


unkoolmuse
Crack-smokin lefty lib fool on loan from da kos. He be b-boyin wit protestesters at prop 8 protest and b-girlin at da 50-cent club on La Cienega.

All I need to know is it 5:30AM and this loser is posting in TH as early as 4:00AM.

unKoolmuse (Such a cutesy name!it is so - creative!) - do yourself a favor. Take a downer and get some sleep.

Judicial review
This article is arguing that exercising judicial restraint means that we are bound by the last 80 years of nonsense the court has created but we must leave the most textually clear amendment up to the the legislature alone to protect.

This judge has gone off the deep end. I don't have the time to read through his writings but I suspect he falls into the category of no judicial review which means no judicially enforceable rights. I strongly disagree. The courts although as a group are constitutionally compelled to not exercise their judgment in violation in constitutional restrictions. That includes rights like free speech (whatever that means) and the right to keep and bear arms. The courts will have to work through what that means and yes judges will use their political philosophy as a basis for their decisions (as they always have). Of course what will result is something that neither side will be happy with that will probably overturned in part when the politics of the court changes. This however is the messy business of judicial rule making. It is a political process. The judicial branch is not supposed to be a political branch, but we must live with the reality that was made abundantly clear under FDR, that it is.

Measuring Democrat Success

Democrats have been funding and sending 'troops' to the Democrats "War on Poverty" for over 40 years now with no end in sight.

The Democrats "War on Poverty" is an abject failure and there has been hundreds of thousands of casualties.

The Democrats "War on Poverty" built 'Government Crime Centers' to concentrate those they are at war with that even the police are afraid to go into.

These Democrat 'Crime Centers' produces illegal drug distributors, killers, prostitutes, child abusers, hundreds of thousands babies killed through abortions and tens of thousands of rapes.

The Democrat funded 'War on Poverty' has succeeded in increasing poverty, crime, drug addicts, 70% illigitamcy rates and the highest prison population in the world.

"In 2006, blacks, who are less than 13 percent of the population, were 37.5 percent of all state and federal prisoners."
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When will Liberals realize that government supported crime centers (urban housing) are a major source of crime?
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FBI and Department of Justice
11,249 agencies; 2006 estimated population 216,685,152 for 2006

17 years old and younger percent of all:
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Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter: 59.2% BLack
Robbery: 67.4% Black

18 years old and older percent of all:
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Murder and non negligent manslaughter: 50.0% Black
Robbery: 51.9% Black

Liberal solutions caused black children to be raised without a Father - Liberal solutions caused black children to be raised in schools without discipline and God.

Liberals take pride in their solutions and say "We Did All Of This For The Good Of Blacks".

Encouraged by their success - Liberals now want to bring solutions for the "Sacrifice for the Common Good" for all Americans - 'Collectivism' headed up by Obama-Messiah.

George WIll on the RIGHT to bear arms
Dear George, perhaps you are unaware but the 97th Congress 2nd Session Senate Judiciary Committee chartered the best historians to research the 2nd Amendment, they reported out and their product was published in 1982. Their conclusion was: "The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right od a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner." 'Embarassing' as it may seem to a yankee in a bow tie one can only be either ignorant of thier research, or intellectually dishonest, to represent the intent of the founder as otherwise.

Koolmuse
"To answer your question I don't "support abortion""

No, you support "choice", a convenient fig leaf covering your abortion beliefs, which is why you placed it in quotes.

Actually, your support of life in defense of gun grabbing is quite disingenuous if not downright droll. Leftist/libs, which is clearly what you are, are quite in love with death. Not only do they support the slaughter of the unborn young but the euthanization of the old. And they don't have much problem experimenting with embryonic stem cells.

In the locus of leftist beliefs, gun grabbing and 'choice' (only when it comes to abortion - not for such things as school choice) are inseparable.

In fact, abortion (or choice as you put it) was first advocated by the 'progressives', the libs' ancestors (a name they want to revert back to presently since they so damaged the 'liberal' moniker), to control the Black population's growth. That's not too far away from it's purpose today since Blacks and Latinos are the one's largely being aborted.

And if they get the upper hand, the lib/fascists would NOT spend much time debating the right to life of their political enemies.

And in all cases, they want to have the citizenry contribute to - be taxed - and thus be party to and complicit in their killing schemes.

Your whole whinny patchwork is a mass of such inconsistencies and dissembling. You favor no guns for the sake of life, but if I gave you irrefutable statistical evidence on the lives that were saved because people had guns, you'd simply whine up some other alley. That's why most who have dealt with you here simply abandon the effort.

You are convincing no one here with your gun grabbing 'logic'. And neither will O-fascist and his gun grabbing AG Eric Holder find any sympathy with his 'common sense' schemes to gun regulate and disarm this nation.

Kool, sigh....
by using your standards,the following activities/items should be outlawed due to their level of possible bodily harm:
swimming pools, automobiles, bicycles, playgrounds, sugar, alcohol, kitchen knives, dog ownership, air travel, space flight, law enforcement, military service, eating food with bones; in other words, any time you climb above the level of your head- you should be required to have a spotter and a safety line.
I would posit that if BO attempts to take American's guns, that POTUS would be added to the list.

End the Federal Reserve
End this organization and bring back your liberties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65Vkqcrfh9A&eurl=http://www. infowars.com/?p=6146

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On predetermination and ideology
Summing up:
Unless the issue is unambiguous, then it should be left to the legislature(s).

I reply:
Many learned and experienced people did not expect Heller to provide a 5-4 result. On Fox, for example, I believe I recall Megyn Kelly predicting a one sided vote.

Therefore, it seems as though the court needs to actually hear the case before ambiguity can be determined.

One could even argue that personal ideology affects the determination of ambiguity. Would different courts consider ambiguity to be different? Then where would we be?

I expected more from the distinguished Mr. Will, but I didn't factor in his ideology. Justice Scalia provided a very sound ruling on this one. Perhaps it deserves rereading, without an ideological lens.

Wimps and Idiots
Bernie Goldberg's got it about right. We're just about on the verge. No turning back now. Time to grab our guns and run for cover. Anarchy is only a couple of Supreme Court decisions away.

koolmuse
he up all night long somin crack and posting in th threads.

Now, kool (the use of the K instead of C is so, well COOL), take a downer and get some sleep.

Your posts are idiotic.

To all else - just ignore this jag off and he'll go away.

Here's to interesting conservatism...

Debates within text, typically between the intelligencia is truly 'interesting'. Indeed, I read it until my eyes cross. Facing a 'home invader' (another euphemism granted us by liberality to 'gentle down' the idea of attempted murder and/or robbery) brings this interesting discussion more on a level of 'very interesting', and it is difficult to imagine the freedom-minded authors not having this in mind when they said 'the right to keep and bear arms will not be infringed.'

Sometimes interesting discussion actually have real life impact. Inventing words that aren't there, on the other hand, puts the authors of the constitution in the rather dim light of wanting and willfully allowing for the disposal of millions of unborn at the whim of the bearer. Who in their right mind would believe such a thing?

Scary...all the way through.

A Bumper Sticker
I saw a bumper sticker the other day and I have got to have it. It read...

GUNS...
If the G's don't steam 'em,
Obama will take them.

It is interesting that not a single liberal I know even stops to think that when you take the guns away from the law-abiding citizen, only the criminals will have them. They have them now because they steal them from law abiding people. If Obama and his liberal court appointments will be able to get those who steal them to turn them in, boy, have they got a second thought coming.

george, there will be anarchy if they try to take them away - no doubt. I worry that if something happens to Obama, we will definitely need our guns for protection from the mob violence that will ensue.

koolmuse back to class for you
After you detox from all the coke you did this night; I have added a few thoughts as to why there will never be an ongoing left majority in the U.S.:

Chirchill told us why the center-right Republican membership always gets replenished, and why those kids today who are falling for the rubbish their lib profs are handing them about how the right is going to die and a new left majority will attain and keep power, with these simple and true thoughts:

"Any man who is under 30 and is not a Liberal has no heart; and any man who is over 30 and not a Conservative has no brains."

"If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain."

The above are actually orphan quotes incorrectly atrributed to Churchill. Best I can tell, many have used the following in differing variations and it belongs to mid-nineteenth century historian and statesman François Guizot who said:

"Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head."

It is fact that in spite of human foilables, mostly we do grow wiser with age. The above confirms a natural result for many. Certainly that many is more than the new Hispanic/Blackidealistic far left lib coalition all the quack Libs are bragging about now.

We won't get them all as the grow older and wiser, but we get many to replenish our numbers, and this is what will always, always continue to make the GOP the 800 pound gorilla that confounds Dems and Libs.




Get Real
Oh, Pu-lease!
Imagine our Founders - those who depended upon men and women who owned firearms to wrest the power away from the dictatorial Brits - answering this suppositorial supposition from Wilkinson! They would have just said: "Darn it! Everybody owns a gun! Use the word 'individual' and be done with it."

The trouble is, Mr. Will, that people who parse and pick are bored academics, looking for a cucumber to pickle. They would have found the comparison - killing babies with the right to vehicles of self-defense - abominable. And the Founders would have said that you need to get a life.


jerabaub
The Constitution does address abortion - "...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
The law has simply chosen to ignore the existence of the sequestered human life in deference to the one able to voice the lesser right to privacy.

koolmuse
You are a dolt.

Thank you for your support of the Republican Party!

Because misinformed, busy libs like you always get yourselves in such an easy position for we Republicans to beat you. You virtually lay down! How?

We easily get you on the defensive because in repsonse to logic you cannot assail, you are prone to and predisposed to saying things that just are not so.

Which makes you easy to beat. Except when you get a September Surrise, like this election cycle. Which is a one in 100 years happening, if that.

Take away that, and O loses. Lunchbucket Joe Biden, your typical whining, negative Dem, was lamenting Hillary would have been a better choice for VP before the meltdown in September.

The 1st is Protected by the 2nd
The United States Code states:

USC 311 Composition and Classes:
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able bodied males 17 years of age and , except as provided in section of title
under 45 years of age who are, or who have made declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of militia are:

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Navel militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Navel Militia

Protection under the USC is given here for those that do not understand who the militia are.

You that blatantly misrepresent statistics and facts should be watched very close.

Those who promote misinformation are rationalizing and hyphenated this becomes,

Rational-lies

Be very supicious of these people and their agenda.

Koolmuse