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Thursday, June 26, 2008
George Will :: Townhall.com Columnist
Educated Policy in a Globalized World
by George Will
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PALO ALTO, Calif. -- Fifty years ago, Jack Kilby, who grew up in Great Bend, Kan., took the electrical engineering knowledge he acquired as an undergraduate at the University of Illinois and a graduate student at the University of Wisconsin to Dallas, to Texas Instruments, where he helped invent the modern world as we routinely experience and manipulate it. Working with improvised equipment, he created the first electronic circuit in which all the components fit on a single piece of semiconductor material half the size of a paper clip.

On Sept. 12, 1958, he demonstrated this microchip, which was enormous, not micro, by today's standards. Whereas one transistor was put in a silicon chip 50 years ago, today a billion transistors can occupy the same "silicon real estate." In 1982, Kilby was inducted into the National Inventors Hall of Fame, where he is properly honored with the likes of Henry Ford and Thomas Edison.

If you seek his monument, come to Silicon Valley, an incubator of the semiconductor industry. If you seek (redundant) evidence of the federal government's refusal to do the creative minimum -- to get out of the way of wealth creation -- come here and hear the talk about the perverse national policy of expelling talented people.

Modernity means the multiplication of dependencies on things utterly mysterious to those who are dependent -- things such as semiconductors, which control the functioning of almost everything, from cell phones to computers to cars. "The semiconductor," says a wit who manufactures them, "is the OPEC of functionality, except it has no cartel power." Semiconductors are, like oil, indispensable to the functioning of many things that are indispensable. Regarding oil imports, Americans agonize about a dependence they cannot immediately reduce. Yet their nation's policy is the compulsory expulsion or exclusion of talents crucial to the creativity of the semiconductor industry that powers the thriving portion of our bifurcated economy. While much of the economy sputters, exports are surging, and the semiconductor industry is America's second-largest exporter, closely behind the auto industry in total exports and the civilian aircraft industry in net exports.

The semiconductor industry's problem is entangled with a subject about which the loquacious presidential candidates are reluctant to talk -- immigration, specifically that of highly educated people. Concerning whom, U.S. policy should be: A nation cannot have too many such people, so send us your Ph.D.s yearning to be free.

Instead, U.S. policy is: As soon as U.S. institutions of higher education have awarded you a Ph.D., equipping you to add vast value to the economy, get out. Go home. Or to Europe, which is responding to America's folly with "blue cards" to expedite acceptance of the immigrants America is spurning.

Two-thirds of doctoral candidates in science and engineering in U.S. universities are foreign-born. But only 140,000 employment-based green cards are available annually, and 1 million educated professionals are waiting -- often five or more years -- for cards. Congress could quickly add a zero to the number available, thereby boosting the U.S. economy and complicating matters for America's competitors.

Suppose a foreign government had a policy of sending workers to America to be trained in a sophisticated and highly remunerative skill at American taxpayers' expense, and then forced these workers to go home and compete against American companies. That is what we are doing because we are too generic in defining the immigrant pool.

Barack Obama and other Democrats are theatrically indignant about U.S. companies that locate operations outside the country. But one reason Microsoft opened a software development center in Vancouver is that Canadian immigration laws allow Microsoft to recruit skilled persons it could not retain under U.S. immigration restrictions. Mr. Change We Can Believe In is not advocating the simple change -- that added zero -- and neither is Mr. Straight Talk.

John McCain's campaign Web site has a spare statement on "immigration reform" that says nothing about increasing America's intake of highly qualified immigrants. Obama's site says only: "Where we can bring in more foreign-born workers with the skills our economy needs, we should." "Where we can"? We can now.

Solutions to some problems are complex; removing barriers to educated immigrants is not. It is, however, politically difficult, partly because this reform is being held hostage by factions -- principally, members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus -- insisting on "comprehensive" immigration reform that satisfies their demands. Unfortunately, on this issue no one is advocating change we can believe in, so America continues to risk losing the value-added of foreign-born Jack Kilbys.

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Well duh
I think Obama would say that it is more important to have any family member of any green-card holder into the country than some MIT Engineering PhD from France.

America's immigration problem is that the fence isn't high enough and the gates are not even close to wide enough.

Cheers,

Bloefeld

3rd World Banana Republic
The net U.S. policy is “no policy”. We have laws that favor the poor undedicated family of the illegals who were made legal back in amnesty round 1. We have laws that allow work and education visas that end on a certain date but we don’t enforce the dates. We have a border that is more porous than a storm drain and work laws that are not enforced. In short, we don’t have an official policy because even the hodge-podge of conflicting immigration laws that we have are not enforced.

As a result what we wind up with is complete cities and towns that are effectively Mexican towns where the official language is Spanish. We have a national health program for illegals dispensed out of the ER. We have a welfare program dispensed for poor illegals through their children who are being fed via government aid and educated in U.S. classrooms by specialty teachers who speak Spanish. All of this at massive cost to the U.S. taxpayer.

Why is this needed? The proponents say they are doing the jobs Americans will not do like picking lettuce, building houses, making beds in motels, and killing people on the highways driving drunk without a license.

Meanwhile the really educated people who are looking to come here find it impossible to get here because of the flood of illegals which the commicrats and RINOs are yelling for another round of amnesty for. And before all the conservatives here at TH congratulate themselves on blocking amnesty round 2 they should be made aware of the stealth program going on to get around the defeat of that last amnesty bill. It is being implemented on piece at a time under the cover of bills unrelated to immigration. We had one of those a few weeks ago that had a rider to increase the number of agri-worker visas with unlimited “stay-ability”.

cont..

pt 2
The Commiecrats are looking for more uneducated and poor voters. The RINOs are looking for slave labor not subject to the minimum wage whose presence is subsidized by the taxpayer. And what is the taxpayer looking for???

Right now all he cares about is who will stay on American idle and whether or not he has “hope and change”. While Europe is overrun by the Muslims and crashes in the state of failed socialism the U.S. is being converted to a South American 3rd world country banana republic.

All for higher education

As illegal immirgration is not yet controled nor is Real ID in play, we haven't shut off the ability for illegals to live in the US.

They are the ones forcing the displacement of those PhDs we have spent our treasure on.

We need border security BEFORE we can have a functioning immigration system better balanced to address industry needs.


GEORGE !
He's pushing for more and better immigration -- but of course, George is a member of the CFR.

Idiocracy
One more of a never ending series of failures and bumbling by our government. But, this is the what more of our people want. They are begging for the government to take over their lives.

They deserve it. I am gleefully waiting for $10/gal. gas, high costs of living and I want to see more registered democrats who spend their days watching daytime TV out on the streets and starving.

Whatever it takes to get these mouth breating mongoloid products of incest get the hint that socialism is a bad thing. It has to get bad because illiterate public school educated democrats have atrophied central nervous systems that don't process information for valid conclusions and it will take a lot of time for them to get the message.

Hey, here's some good news from the UN. Latest data shows that AIDS is infecting more gay men and drug users and that most countries don't treat them because they're considered marginal people. So much for America being the worst country on the planet.

Forrest Gump has it right ...
Forrest Gump has it right: stupid is as stupid does (or something close to that!) Ha! A perfect description of our government's policies in almost every area! Who is going to save us from our government?

Outlaw A Few Things.
A couple of things I'd like to see outlawed: Congressional "Race" Caucusus, and anything that designates a particular race -- like we did with the "Colored Drinking Fountain" signs of only a few score years ago.

How can this Nation, with its years of experience, allow any specific group in its Congress expressly state, "We only represent this group"?

George Will not a Gump
Well George; In text and tone, you have verbally stated as an aurguement. American college grads are `not as good as foreign Students'?
Apparently to you and big Corperation America, US college Grads are not up to par, yet we dumb ol hicks, seem to develope, Invent and contrive a great majority of the world produces.
Yeah good ol `Forest', and hundreds like them are only good enough to be cannon fodder, not highly paid skilled workers.
George go to Canada, we do not need you or your put dones.

Standard Operating Procedure
It does seem like congress can choose the most damaging of any set of choices in a decision.

In this case it could be the simple fear of anyone smarter than themselves. Unfortunately, that doesn't narrow the field much.

Killing Tech jobs for our children
Why go into tech careers when you can make six figures or better on Wall Street? Why design computer software or hardware to get laid off so an American company can higher a foreign national for less. Our best and brightest are not stupid enough to go into a career path that will probably end up a career dead end. Global economy is about a level playing field where the best and the brightest flourish. We give away technology and jobs overseas to the detriment of our own economy.

Sorry George...
... but I suspect some BS here. Too many native-born engineering grads complain about not being able to find work. I wonder if the techs want foreign engineers for the same reason agriculture wants illegal immigrants -- because they'll do "work Americans won't do" (i.e., at sub-market wages).

We don't
need no stinkin science and engineering PhDs..we need grass cutters, leaf rakers, bed makers, drug dealers /s

I work in IT
And the most talented people come from India. It isn't there is no talent here, but few "white" or indigenous Americans go into Computer Science or Electrical Engineering anymore. Drop into the grad schools at MIT, Purdue, Cal Tech, or Univ of Chicago, and you will find foreigners dominate the science schools while indigenous Americans fill the law, poly sci, education, and gender studies schools.

IT jobs go to where the talent is. Orginally it was the Unions who wished to keep the talent out; now, it has become reflexive.

RW
If there ar ANY Engineering grads who can not find work it is because they are not looking for work, or their expectations are out of line with the jobs they are looking at.

Some call it self destructive behavior
George, you are SO out of touch. Our policy is to let millions of unskilled gardeners, cleaning ladies and farm laborers into the country. They bring their families, flood our emergency rooms, and crowd our schools. The children are confused by our sex and violence television culture, and join gangs and shoot people. Then, they organize and demand special services to mitigate the problems.

Somehow we can stay right on top of the dastardly PhD students who want to stay here and create jobs and we run them out of town pronto as soon as we've used thousands of tax payers dollars to educate them.

Yet we can't seem to even find the millions of unskilled workers who collect in our hospital emergency rooms, in front of our Home Depots, and in our jails. Who woulda thunk!

educated workforce
It almost sounds as if some posters here are saying to US engineering firms, if you can't hire enough highly qualified US workers to get the job done, too bad. Well, don't be suprised when these firms move out of the country to find the highest qualified workers.

Why wouldn't we want to attract the best and brightest from around the world? If we're going to allow 1 million immigrants per yr into the US, why not allow half of that from Universities? Why turn away a resource that we're developing in our own education system?


I disagree with George, this time
I can’t imagine disagreeing with G. Will any more than I did on this article. Remember, a country consists of a Culture and a Border, and if you mess with either, out you go.

First, these college students from other countries must not have their expenses paid by our taxpayers. Before anyone from another country can enroll in the US, there must be a hard and firm contract, enforced by their home country, saying that the cost will be reimbursed. US students must pay their loan, so must the rest of them.

Once a “visitor” has graduated from a US educational institution, they must spend 10 years in their home country, working in a useful occupation, before they can be considered to be allowed to return to the US.

We should not be the cause for Brain Drain for other countries. I am thoroughly disgusted with people from any other country, living in the US and bragging how wonderful their home really is. If it is so wonderful, why aren’t you living there? If it has problems that caused you to leave, why not go back and solve those problems?

One of the worst things we have received from computers and the Internet, is electronic addiction. I didn’t get introduced to that industry until 1944, made my living from 1950 to the date of retirement, so I am more than a little aware of the problems caused by the misdesign of the Internet, and the misuse of electronic equipment.

Today a baby’s crib has more electronics than was in the world when I first started. Since the Internet was designed by a programmer, and he/they had no idea where it was going, or how or when, following the reasoning of most programmers, there is no way for the Internet to be controlled as it need be.

The immigration mess
US immigration policy used to give first preference to people with education or skills needed here. The trouble is however that such people are likely to do well, which means that they will probably vote Republican when they become citizens.

At Ted Kennedy's instigation, the law was changed in the late 1960s to favor unskilled people who would always need government handouts to survive and therefore would become reliable Democratic voters.

This is just an especially egregious example of the willingness of the Democrats to sacrifice the future of our country in order to gain power. It is one of the many dreadful policies the Republicans failed to fix while they controlled the Congress. Damn them all, of both parties.



Green Cards
"I think Obama would say that it is more important to have any family member of any green-card holder into the country than some MIT Engineering PhD from France."

So Bloefeld, you think any "Green Card" (it's really pink)holder can bring in ANY family member? Is that what you believe?

Green Card Holders can ONLY sponsor their spouse and their unmarried sons and daughters. The quota for such is only 114,200--a little more than 11% of the total immigrant visas issued each year. The current waiting time for such visas are 5 years for spouses and children under 21 and 9 years for those unmarried and over 21.

In the case of Mexico and the Philippines the wait times are even longer and in some cases not available at all. Look at the visa bulletin sometime.

As for keeping out talented immigrants, well this is nothing knew. From 1924 until 1965, much of the world was banned from entering the US as an immigrant. You could have a Ph.D. from Beida or Tsing Hua or Todai or Kyodai and you'd have no chance at entering the US, but a guy from Manchester or Dublin with a 3rd grade education who could only clean out horse barns--no problem.



No..it didn't
"US immigration policy used to give first preference to people with education or skills needed here."

No, it was first an open immigration system until it decided there were just too many Chinese running around. So, it basically banned Chinese immigration because it was virtually impossible to prove you weren't a laborer--like a black person proving to a white poll worker he could read and write. The act was extended in 1892 for 10 more years and then made permanent in 1902. In 1924, it passed a law heavily supported by the KKK and other racists such as Madison Grant who wrote "The Passing of the Great Race" (meaning whites) and was a big supporter of other racist laws such as anti-miscegenation laws which were struck down in Loving v. Virginia. Grant was that era's Pat Buchanan. The 1924 law banned most of the world (the non-white part) from immigrating to the US no matter how qualified. It stayed in force until eliminated in 1965 with the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965--a act many of you cry about to this day. I guess you like laws pushed by the Klan better.

This is Globalist Elitism!
Read this article at Frontpage magazine: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=0B9FC7 89-8BCB-4B83-B0FD-8B85EC5D2992

We are importing more H-1B Visa professionals than we have jobs. Meanwhile, our tech people are in the unemployment line. This is an on-going shuffle for cheap workers-be it gardeners or software developers. Case in point: a few years ago, the trucking industry got an influx of new truck drivers from the unemployed IT sector after the Dotcom bust. They had applied as IT techs-in a company that loudly prides itself as the leader in logistics technology(and that is a wide-open field begging for innovation). Instead, they were all told their skills were "outdated" and of no use to the company. It was suggested they become truck drivers instead. In desperation, many did. And do you know what this company did for IT tech people? Imported them from India! This bunch of imports screwed up the systems so bad that no one could make heads or tails of where any of the freight was or where it was going. Meanwhile, our US Tech workers, some with as many as three degrees, are driving a truck-and being replaced yet again by foreign workers!

I used to respect George Will's insight-I no longer will after this article.This is systematic looting of American jobs.

More tripe--Part I
Okay sorry if this is a double post, but TH screwed up again.

"First, these college students from other countries must not have their expenses paid by our taxpayers. Before anyone from another country can enroll in the US, there must be a hard and firm contract, enforced by their home country, saying that the cost will be reimbursed. US students must pay their loan, so must the rest of them."

Foreign students are in the US on a F-1 visa and pay their own way and if they go to a public school must pay more as they must pay out-of-state fees and unlike their American peers, they can never have their status re-adjusted to in-state as long as they hold a F-1 visa. They must also carry expensive insurance, and on and on. Much more expensive for them than a US student. Now grad students can get part of this paid for them by the school by being a GTA or GRA, but this isn't a gift, but done in exchange for their research assistance or teaching duties and is open to all grad students. As for as I know, they can't apply for Federal student loans.


More Tripe--part II
"Once a “visitor” has graduated from a US educational institution, they must spend 10 years in their home country, working in a useful occupation, before they can be considered to be allowed to return to the US."

Why? What a stupid policy that would be. So if MIT graduates the next Einstein, you'd want to send him back to China for 10 years?

"We should not be the cause for Brain Drain for other countries. I am thoroughly disgusted with people from any other country, living in the US and bragging how wonderful their home really is. If it is so wonderful, why aren’t you living there?"

Why not? Brian drain is good for the US. Are you an anti-American hack now? As for the other stuff, well, no country is perfect and some countries in some areas are better than the US. So nothing wrong with pointing that out. As for why aren't they home--well easier to get in a country sometimes than to get back out. I speak from experience here.

"One of the worst things we have received from computers and the Internet, is electronic addiction. I didn’t get introduced to that industry until 1944, made my living from 1950 to the date of retirement, so I am more than a little aware of the problems caused by the misdesign of the Internet, and the misuse of electronic equipment."

I agree Jim, you should now log off and never get on the Internet again, we don't want you to become a junkie.

“Today a baby’s crib has more electronics than was in the world when I first started. Since the Internet was designed by a programmer, and he/they had no idea where it was going, or how or when, following the reasoning of most programmers, there is no way for the Internet to be controlled as it need be.”

What control would that be exactly?

Try thinking, like Tom Watson said


Akagi Location: GA
Reply # 24
Date: Jun 26, 2008 - 12:40 PM EST
Subject: More Tripe--part II

You -Why? What a stupid policy that would be. So if MIT graduates the next Einstein, you'd want to send him back to China for 10 years?

Me -Absolutely, that his country and his culture.
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You -Why not? Brian drain is good for the US. Are you an anti-American hack now?

Me -Brain Drain is not good for the world, and what’s not good for the world is not good for the USA.
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You -I agree Jim, you should now log off and never get on the Internet again, we don't want you to become a junkie.

Me -Not needed, I have controlled the addiction, both to a computer and to a paycheck.

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You -What control would that be exactly?

Me -For one thing, add a click spot to Email. If you open an Email, it’s yours, if you click on the new button the Email is not opened, it is returned to the sender, he is charged an amount of money, and your account is credited with money.

And that’s the end of Spam.

Do the same with phone calls, you don’t want the call, hit the # and you get paid, he gets charged. End of unwanted phone calls.

If proper control was placed on computers attached to the Internet, there would be absolute control on who signed on and hacked, or sent a Virus.

Don’t tell me you can tell who made a phone call anywhere in the world, but you can’t tell who’s computer that was. If the computer can not be recognized, it doesn’t get signed on the net.

You can’t mail a letter without a postmark, you can’t travel without a passport. If you want to remain unknown, just craw down into your basement, and hide uner a blanket.


Jim
"Absolutely, that his country and his culture."

And if he would rather stay in the US and help the US rather than go back to China, you'd force him to go back anyway. Oh yes, that great concept of freedom.

"Brain Drain is not good for the world, and what’s not good for the world is not good for the USA."

The amount of energy and other resources the US uses is not good for the world either, but probably good for the US--for example it uses I believe 25% of the world's daily output of oil, but only has 4% of the population. So should anything the US does that is not good for the world be banned. That might be quite a long list.

"For one thing, add a click spot to Email. If you open an Email, it’s yours, if you click on the new button the Email is not opened, it is returned to the sender, he is charged an amount of money, and your account is credited with money."

So Jim if I send you an email from my Taiwan-based email, how do you plan to collect from me. Is Taiwan or otherplaces going to recognize you rights to charge its users for not opening an email. And since so many emails are faked--"spoofed" how will you get the right person to pay for it? As for being able to indentify who uses a computer, yes, the IP address for example, but these can also be spoofed in the headers and IP addresses can be hijacked--much SPAM is sent for example by compromised machines and the users aren't even aware the machine is sending out SPAM--in one case it was a cash register doing it--a "smart" cash registered that had a connection to the Internet and it had been compromised and had been turned into a SPAM zombie.

Akagi
"From 1924 until 1965, much of the world was banned from entering the US as an immigrant. You could have a Ph.D. from Beida or Tsing Hua or Todai or Kyodai and you'd have no chance at entering the US, but a guy from Manchester or Dublin with a 3rd grade education who could only clean out horse barns--no problem."

Oh, so how did we get Einstein, Von Braun, et al?
You are just so full of it--spouting off on TH as if you know something. And actually the vast majority of what you say is so much rubbish and the rest of it just plain dead wrong.


Oh really
Independent Thinker:

Oh and what country was he from? Oh Germany right? Like to see the quota for Germany under the 1924 law? In fact Germany had one of the HIGHEST quotas of all the countries on the entire planet! He ended up in Switzerland another high quota country and what was say China's quota--oh that's right it was zero. In 1942 the US raised it to 50. So if Einstien had been Chinese and come from say Beida or Tsing Hua, well, tough luck.

So why don't you go and actually think instead of simply posting things which you KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!


Will you try thinking for a change?

Akagi Location: GA
Reply # 26
Date: Jun 26, 2008 - 1:57 PM EST
Subject: Jim

Me -"For one thing, add a click spot to Email. If you open an Email, it’s yours, if you click on the new button the Email is not opened, it is returned to the sender, he is charged an amount of money, and your account is credited with money."

You - So Jim if I send you an Emil from my Taiwan-based Emil, how do you plan to collect from me. Is Taiwan or other places going to recognize you rights to charge its users for not opening an Emil. etc., etc., and on and on

Me - You just made my point, the people who designed the Internet did not consider the honest law-abiding user, they left it “open” for criminals of all kinds, including you.

Let’s see you receive mail at some place you did not identify. Give your address as Tim-buc-to, and see how much mail you get.

One day my daughter called me from her cell phone, and I am sure something like this happens a billion times a day. She was on the beach in Maui, I was in the Hollywood Bowl. And the phone company had no trouble finding me, and charging her.

And I would not list the phone company as the most intelligent company in the world.

Just remember, what you said is just what the problem is. The Internet is not designed properly.

If you make a phone call from Taiwan, I bet you get charged. If you make a collect phone call from Taiwan, I bet the one you called gets charged for the call, right?


Jim
Yes, but I pay Chunghwa Telecom for phone service and if I have an Internet account from them (hinet.net)I pay for that too. But what if I use yahoo.com.tw, that's free and I can email at will. How are you going to charge me then, you going to ban free accounts now?

Your plan is simply unworkable. The Internet is designed great--one of the biggest doors to freedom there is. Less control is actually a good thing, Jim.


You are stupid beyond control


Akagi Location: GA
Reply # 30
Date: Jun 26, 2008 - 4:00 PM EST
Subject: Jim

How are you going to charge me then, you going to ban free accounts now?

Your plan is simply unworkable. The Internet is designed great--one of the biggest doors to freedom there is. Less control is actually a good thing, Jim.

==========

The only thing I hate more than Government controls and regulations is nuts and idiots like you who make them necessary.

Your freedom to use your Internet equipment stops at the point you misuse my Internet Equipment. If your company will not control stupids, then they must be prohibited from connecting in any way with my Internet company.

And since that is not possible at this point, that is why I say without fear that anyone with a brain will disagree with me, that the internet has not been properly designed.

If the company you do business with does not act properly, then they must be removed from the Internet, along with you and yours, free or otherwise.

My computer was paid for by me, and is in my house that was paid for by me, and I pay for the connection. You have no right to violate any of those personal items.

Do you own a car, and do you drive on public streets, and park in public parking lots? Well using your lack of logic, that means I am welcome to use your car anytime and in any way I wish.




Jim
"Do you own a car, and do you drive on public streets, and park in public parking lots?"

Do you? Do you have locks on the doors? Do you use them? Do you leave the keys in your car?

You have the responsibility to secure your computer too just as you secure your car--firewalls, spam filters and the like.

Again, ISPs do try to stop abuse, but you can't stop everyone--should no guns be sold because someone will use them for murder? And I'd rather put up with SPAM than having the governments--Int stands for International-- trying to control it.

You need government control


Akagi Location: GA
Reply # 32
Date: Jun 26, 2008 - 6:04 PM EST

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You are not allowed in my house in any manner, unless I invite you, and then only for the occasion, and the time limit I choose.

When I look at TH, I have invited you and yours, but only for that occasion and time period.

If I need to lock my house or my computer or my car to keep you out, then you admit you are a potential lawbreaker, and I want to government to keep you out of my house, and off my computer, and away from my car.

You are the one who demands the Government to control your actions, you are not a responsible person.

As I was growing up, we did not need to lock our house or or car, until people like you arrived.


People like who?
"As I was growing up, we did not need to lock our house or or car, until people like you arrived."

People like me???


Yes people like you

Who do not respect other people's property, including equipment connected to the Internet.

You and yours can only use my computer when I ask you to, not just because you want to spam, hack, or virus.

Mr. Will
Having worked at a Fortune 100 company in manufacturing, I learned some interesting things. One is that the Engineering Department was chock full of Indians who were being paid about $35K a year; American engineers were few and far between. The Indians had never grown up around anything mechanical in their country. They were lacking in common sense, and they were focused on the theory, but not very focused on making things work in reality--on the production floor.

They were generally very nice people, and I respect their ambition and wish them well. But the situation was problematic to say the least.

As another poster indicated, it is obvious that corporations are lobbying for a higher quota of skilled visas in order to compensate for rising costs in other areas--caused by the inflationary policies of our government.

We need to fix inflation and get rid of our socialist policies that drive up the cost of American labor before we start fixing visa policy. This includes Worker's Comp, SS, and health care. WHEN AMERICAN WORKERS ARE ALLOWED TO FREELY COMPETE IN THE LABOR MARKET, THEN WE CAN ALLOW COMPANIES TO BRING IN WHOEVER THEY WANT. Stop asking Americans to continue to bear the burden of socialist policy to the bitter end. It has literally gotten to the point of the ridiculous.

When you try to help companies make socialism viable and more efficient, you are part of the problem.
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