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Thursday, May 22, 2008
George Will :: Townhall.com Columnist
The United States' New Pre-Emptive War
by George Will
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WASHINGTON -- A preventive war worked out so well in Iraq that Washington last week launched another. The new preventive war -- the government responding forcefully against a postulated future threat -- has been declared on behalf of polar bears, the first species whose supposed jeopardy has been ascribed to global warming.

The Interior Department, bound by the Endangered Species Act, has declared polar bears a "threatened" species because they might be endangered "in the foreseeable future," meaning 45 years. (Note: 45 years ago, the now-long-forgotten global cooling menace of 35 years ago was not yet foreseen.) The bears will be threatened if the current episode of warming, if there really is one, is, unlike all the previous episodes, irreversible, and if it intensifies, and if it continues to melt sea ice vital to the bears, and if the bears, unlike in many previous warming episodes, cannot adapt.

Because of restrictions on hunting, polar bears might be more numerous today than ever and might be twice as numerous as they were three decades ago -- when the media were fanning frenzy about global cooling. (Science magazine, March 1975, reported "the approach of a full-blown 10,000-year ice age.") As Nigel Lawson, a former British Cabinet member, writes in his new book "An Appeal to Reason: A Cool Look at Global Warming":

"Over the past two-and-a-half-million years, a period during which the planet's climate fluctuated substantially, remarkably few of the earth's millions of plant and animal species became extinct. This applies not least, incidentally, to polar bears, which have been around for millennia, during which there is ample evidence that polar temperatures have varied considerably."

But Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne says the "threatened" label is mandatory because sea ice has been melting and computer models postulate future melting caused by human activity. So, now that human activity is assumed to be the primary cause, or even a measurable cause, of warming, the decision to classify the bears as threatened has become a mighty lever.

Now that polar bears are wards of the government, and now that it is a legal doctrine that humans are responsible for global warming, the Endangered Species Act has acquired unlimited application. Anything that can be said to increase global warming can -- must -- be said to threaten bears already designated as threatened.

Want to build a power plant in Arizona? A building in Florida? Do you want to drive an SUV? Or leave your cell phone charger plugged in overnight? Some judge might construe federal policy as proscribing these activities. Kempthorne says such uses of the act, unintended by those who wrote it in 1973, would be "wholly inappropriate." But in 1973, climate Cassandras were saying that "the world's climatologists are agreed" that we must "prepare for the next ice age" (Science Digest, February 1973). And no authors of the Constitution or the Fourteenth Amendment intended to create a "fundamental" right to abortion, but there it is.

No one can anticipate or control the implications that judges might discover in the polar bear designation. Give litigious environmentalists a compliant judge and the Endangered Species Act might become what New Dealers wanted the National Industrial Recovery Act of 1933 to be -- authority to regulate almost everything.

What Friedrich Hayek called the "fatal conceit" -- the idea that government can know the future's possibilities and can and should control the future's unfolding -- is the left's agenda. The left exists to enlarge the state's supervision of life, narrowing individual choices in the name of collective goods. Hence the left's hostility to markets. And to automobiles -- people going wherever they want whenever they want.

Today's "green left" is the old "red left" revised. Marx, a short-term pessimist but a long-term optimist, prophesied deepening class conflict, but thought that history's violent dialectic would culminate in a revolution that would usher in material abundance and such spontaneous cooperation that the state would wither away.

The green left preaches pessimism: Ineluctable scarcities (of energy, food, animal habitats, humans' living space) will require a perpetual regime of comprehensive rationing. The green left understands that the direct route to government control of almost everything is to stigmatize, as a planetary menace, something involved in almost everything -- carbon.

Environmentalism is, as Lawson writes, an unlimited "license to intrude." "Eco-fundamentalism," which is "the quasi-religion of green alarmism," promises "global salvationism." Onward, green soldiers, into preventive war on behalf of some bears who are simultaneously flourishing and "threatened."

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thats the most dangerous place in North AMerica

Tempted to move?
In the seventies I considered moving south to escape the glaciers. Now I might be better off moving north to escape the heat. Maybe I'll just stay put and sip my scotch while considering the next global threat!

Zigory yep
Exactly but unfortunately most cant see it. Who is John Gault today??

Adaptive Polar Bears
Zoologists believe that the polar bear evolved from a species of brown bears in Siberia, making polar bears the eigth species of bears. With the shift of the polar ice caps and glaciers, the brown bear species native to that area was force to adapt to the new environment, undergoing physical body changes to keep warm in the brutally cold weather. Their fur thichened and eventually turned white. Over time, the next few generations evolved with even thicker fur, a more rounded pointy face, larger teeth and claws, bigger feet with a patch on the bottom to help them keep their grip, while walking on the ice and sharper senses. Today, polar bears live in the Arctic, Alaska, Greenland, Canada and Norway. Their habitat is snow-covered mountains, mostly frozen bodies of water and where seals are found in abundance. Besides seals, polar bears eat walruses and even whales. The snow helps them blend into their environment for safety, even though man is their only predator.

Sounds to me like polar bears became what they are by adapting to climate change. What makes us think that if the climate changes again that the bears won't change with it like they did the first time. If the easier prey that they find on the ice flows were to disappear, they would be sure to adapt to foraging in streams and on land like the bears they came from.

All this fuss about loss of pack ice but nobody seems to care much about the loss of farm ground (where our food comes from) to urban sprawl. Priorities are severly misplaced.

Ayn Rand Foresaw This Outcome
Almost four decades ago, Ayn Rand predicted that leftist environmentalists would seek to justify all-encompassing regulations, as George Will accurately describes above. She wrote in her essay "The Anti-Industrial Revolution": "The immediate goal is obvious: the destruction of the remnants of capitalism in today’s mixed economy, and the establishment of a global dictatorship. This goal does not have to be inferred —- many speeches and books on the subject state explicitly that the ecological crusade is a means to that end." (From "Return of the Primitive")

The green weenies are
morphing to cockroaches that way once all their environmental requirements are implemented they alone would survive.

People are so stupid
People are so stupid, perhaps I am glad I live near the Polar Bears.
The Government has forgotten that they are only there because we allow them to be there, and alot of people have forgotten it too.
I have lived in Alaska since 1973 and I can tell you that there is not a shortage of any wildlife as long as the humans stay out of it and allow mother nature to do her work.
The environmentalists raised all get out when we built the Alaska Oil Pipeline, but now, the animals migrate toward it for warmth in the severe winter weather. (Boy, that pipeline is sure killing alot of animals)
When will people get a clue. Mother Nature and all these animals were here a long time before we were, and they will be here a long time after we are gone. Period.

science an polad bears
i never understood the simple fact that everyone who writes to this columnist is an expert on polar bears and science. as a fomer teacher i can tell you thet we were always worried that our student didnt get enough polar bear and ice in their curriculum. glad to see we were wrong. you may know D--K about everything under the sun but it is obvious that you rally know your science or whatever method of reasoning you think u=you are using and your polar bears. all the scientists who have spent years and years studying the environment and the polar regions anfd the polar bear have wted all their time. all they had to do was read this thread and they would have known immediatelty that if there was a problem, the solution lies therein. dolts

Institutional Racism at Work
So polar bears are actually increasing in number but get special protected status from the nannies in Washington. What color are polar bears? Exactly - they are white. What color are the non-protected, marginalized bears? Exactly - black and brown. The Just-us Brothers (Revs Al and Jesse) ought to git their jiveassifying selfs on the mutha. (Maybe they could call in the Wolf).

Other globes are (were?) warming.
For $100 per annum, I will send one polar bear to Mars to replace each one you choose to shoot on that warming globe. Or, for $100 per annum, I will remove one SUV from Mars to compensate for each one you choose to add to the oversupply of SUVs on that warming globe.

Don't tell me that solar fluctuations have already solved the problem there too because it will make me feel so good to make money while being so helpful. http://www.poorgrandchildren.com

To Theadore
Specifically, Theadore, God promised Noah that he would never again attempt to destroy the Earth by flood, which is what Algore is claiming will happen as a result of "global warming". The rainbow is the symbol of God's promise.

This argument is by and large wasted on Algore and the envirofascists, however; because they don't believe that there IS a God. For that matter, they don't believe that the Great Flood recorded in the Book of Genesis ever happened, either.

Global Warming
In Genisis8:22 God promises to regulate the earth as long as it remains. What All Gore and others are trying to do is make themselves god and wll try to convince you that they can regulate the worlds temperature.All for more money and power.

Re Polar Bears
Clone em. Once grown release into the wilds of San Francisco. Being a good green weenie is simple just reverse the statement "God gave man dominion over the animals".

Oil Exploration vs. Environmentalism
I don't care if Robert Redford has a place to hike. I do care about the U.S.'s current dependence on foreign oil and the dangers to which that exposes us.

RANGERG6R #16

.....Shoot a Polar Bear, cut off its head, and slip it into the bed of the Secretary of the Interior .....COLOSSUS

ANOTHER GUTLESS BUSH DECISION

.....Rather than stand up to the Green Goons, the Bush Adm. capitulates, drops to a fetal position and sucks its thumb ...

.....The good news is ....we will soon be rid of this backstabbing wimp ...the bad news is that McFool agrees with this decision ...

.....Sarah Paulin/James Inhofe for President/VP now .... start a draft movement before either McFool or Obama destroys the Country ...Conservatives should write to their State delegates to change their votes at the Convention ...it is not too late to save the Country ...act now ...Draft Paulin and Inhofe ...

.....POLAR BEARS SHOULD BE EXTERMINATED

.....Why does man tolerate sharing his environment
with this dangerous carnivorous beast? ...their only
useful function is killing seals that eat fish which
are a staple food source for humans ...both the bears
and seals should be hunted as a food source and for
their fur ....when the next Ice Age comes those furs
will come in handy .....COLOSSUS

BILL OF RIGHTS
WHEN THE ZIPPER IS PULLED DOWN FROM GWB FACE

OUT POPS A POLAR BEAR WITH A COPY OF THE BILL

OF RIHGTS!!!!

HELP ME PLEASE!! SOMEBODY WAKE ME UP?

Thanks, Hagar...
...so feeling bad is good...got it.

What do I do with my 'Vette? Do I turn it in to the Government recycling center? Set it one fire down at the town square in some sort of ritual-like repudiation of my former sins?

I could make polar bear mittens out of the red leather seats as partial atonement.

Just as soon as I get off work today, I am going to go home and start building a car that uses only natural power. That shouldn't be too hard.

I'm thinking maybe I can power it with a couple or three or four hamsters running around inside those little wheels, you know?

How am I doing so far? I'm sure there are lots of other things beside just my car that I've got to get rid of or change in order to be a good greenie.

Anybody got any suggestions?

George Washington

Wanted: Ideas on how...
to make some money off global warming or climate change or whatever the hell this thing is called now.

I've got a couple, but they may need a little work.

1) Set up some kind of half-baked polar bear bordello and make lots of little polar bears and sell them to those dumb greenies. If it is easier to breed brown bears, do that and dye the cubs white, those idiots will never know the difference.

2) Print off a couple of phony college degrees on my computer, you know, like Master of Theoretical Climatological Rhetoric, or Doctorate in the Sexual Behavior of Large, Furry Animals, apply for some of those million dollar government grants to do studies, right, and then sit around watching ESPN with the sound down, listening to talk radio, having my girlfriend bringing me beers while dressed in a teeny weeny bikini, make the whole study up out of thin air, and type it up to look really nice on the word processor.

Help me out here, guys...gotta be some more ways to make some easy money off this thing.

George Washington

All
Sorry guys and gals, have to go again. Wify want the laptop before we go out tonight.

GW PS
On highway I got 28mpg

GW on the right track
First thing is feeling bad... thats good. Once you feel bad you can now be presented with all kinds of propaganda. This will make you feel real bad and you will be happy to empty your pockets to solve the problem. The next step is then to realize that its more important to make OTHERS pay for your bad feelings. That will save you enough money to buy more gas for the corvette (I had a 96) and like me buy a new SUV.

My recommendation yesterday
was that the census bureau start a new department made up exclusively of liberal polar bear lovers who would go out to the bear's habitat and interview just like human census takers. After all, don’t the bears have a right to answer nosy questions also about the number of bears sleeping in the den and how many defecate in the woods vs the ice flow. We should not be “humanocentric”, bears have rights too and if there are no rabbits close by for wiping, humans can be substituted.

I recommended that an abundant supply of these census takers could be found in the strip of land about 50 miles wide beginning at Seattle and going South to San Diego. They can also be found in large universities in the environmental departments.

Hey Vic...
What kind of trouble do you have to get into with your bosses at the Department of the Interior to get assigned as a polar bear census taker?

Are the bears interviewed so that we can ask them why they persist in multiplying when they are supposed to be dying off?

What is the average life expectancy of an enty-level bear-counter?

...just wondering...

George Washington

Hagar, you got me thinking...
...about this bad habit I've got of driving my Corvette around aimlessly, gunning the throttle, and wasting all that gasoline just to chase women around.

I've been selfish, I feel bad for the polar bears, and well, I'm going to turn over a new leaf.

You have convinced me. I'm going green. Help me out here, what's the first thing I need to do?

George Washington

Hagar
The enterior department is the one who "counts" the polar bears and they are the ones who say they are increasing. The rational for placing them on the list was computer modeling that showed "loss of ice shelf area". This was even after the increase of bear population WITH a decrease in ice shelf area. i.e. not logical.

Basically it was done to satisfy GWB and Mclame who have gone over to the dark side with the eco-idiots.

I'm not the smartest...
...guy around, I mean I'm just an ole Georgia boy, but, like, if we want to have more polar bears, couldn't we just tell them there Eskimos to quit shootin' 'em?

You know, send e'm some of them bison that Ted Turner dudes 'a raisin' in Montana that nobody wants ta eat, right?

Well, nobody but some of them damn girly boys, if you know what I mean, heh, heh!

Hell, they oughtta make me the damn President. Solving this here problem was nothin'!

George Washington

Ranger
The State of Alaska can be successful if they show that the Polar Bear does NOT meet the criteria for threatened, that the reasoning used by the interior department was wrong, that the State of Alaska has been harmed by the process, and finally that the federal court has the power to remedy the problem.

Yes sir
Absolutely its a done deal. After all my computer says so.

What's up, Hagar?
Nice scoring system you got there!

FINAL SCORE

McCain = (2x2x6) = 24

Clinton = (1x2x2) = 4

Obama = (.5x1x.002) = .001

Hell, we can all go home now, Hagar has got the whole thing figured out mathematically!

Your Obedient Servant,

George Washington

Example of a computer model
larger is better
male=2
female=1
white_race=2
Non_white=1
Conservative=10
Liberal=1
Candidate value = Gender X Race X Politics


George Will
Nice column. Didn't hold back on their true agenda, I like that. I can skin a buck and run a trot line. Never killed a polar bear but, like Ratas y Ratones, if one wandered onto my property it would end up as a rug. Not likely today. About 87 for a high. Perhaps the day after tomorrow? Probably make a good supply of jerky to boot. Might be a nice change from deer.

More liberals should go visit them while they still exist. Get out. Take pictures. Get real close. They don't mind.


Agenda Trumps Truth (Continued)
For years, the leftists have been revising history to advance their stupid and destructive sociopolitical agenda. Not satisfied with this, they're now trying to revise SCIENCE in order to achieve their goals. What's next? Are they going to try to revise mathematics to suit leftist dogma? Are the leftists going to tell us that two plus two really DOESN'T equal four? Or that Pythagoras was all wrong about the square of the hypoteneuse of a right triangle?

Again, where does all this nonsense stop?

Algore and his minions have clearly subordinated truth to politics. And any time you do that, you plant the seeds not only of society's destruction, but of your own, as well.

Computer models?
Computers do only what humans tell it to do. How can you believe what a computer model tells us when the data is input by those who want a certain outcome?

Agenda Trumps Truth for Envirofascists
Recently, I had heard that Algore, his idiotic disciples in the envirofascist movement and their parrots, puppets and stooges in the news media and the Democreep Party were lobbying to have carbon dioxide officially classified with the EPA as a "pollutant" in order to "reduce greenhouse gases" and "fight 'global warming'".

If this doesn't discredit Algore and his envirofascist minions as a bunch of nimrods who don't know what the heck they're talking about, I don't know what would!

First of all, if CO2 really WERE a pollutant, the only way to completely eliminate it would be to kill every human being and every animal on this planet (including their precious polar bears).

By the envirofascists' own definition, anything that breathes pollutes.

Second, even if you succeeded in eliminating every potential source of CO2, without any CO2 in the atmosphere, all green plant life on Earth would suffocate and die, and the only form of life left would be fungi. Why? Because green plants actually BREATHE CO2. Green plants take the CO2 that humans and animals release into the atmosphere (through their normal breathing process) and, through a process known as photosynthesis, use sunlight to convert the CO2 into oxygen, which the plants in turn release--"exhale"--into the atmosphere.

CO2 is the principal atmospheric gas on the planet Venus, which is why there is abundant vegetation on that planet, but no animal life.

This is all simple, basic stuff that I learned back when I was in the THIRD GRADE!

Where does all this nonsense stop?


JefferyP the ones really
Threatened by the GW models are: US! Look for much larger government, internationalization, Taxes you wont believe, all kinds of SMALL business restrictions, and the retrogressionof the economy, return to and agrarian society and the fall of the new Rome (that be us if you cant fill in the blanks)

JefferyP the ones really
Threatened by the GW models are: US! Look for much larger government, internationalization, Taxes you wont believe, all kinds of SMALL business restrictions, and the retrogressionof the economy, return to and agrarian society and the fall of the new Rome (that be us if you cant fill in the blanks)

That's right jax33
and the most fit Polar Bears will produce even more fit Polar Bears and they will feed so freely off the eco-whackos who go to Alaska to revel in their wondrous works of saving the animal kingdom from us evillllll conservatives.
That is, unless we evil ones take out the trash now.
I vote for a garbage run.

Polar Bears
As to computer models.It is simple that even someone as simple as Lon could understand it. Garbage in garbage out,that is how you make a computer model to suit your own view.What ever happened to the survival of the fittest.Remember the fewer polar bears means more food for the survivors

AMARICANS can afford it
Once again the self righteous are once more at work. At this point in time it is hard to tell who is the worse threat in thinking we, the common people, are morons. They are probably right as they keep getting away with it, time and time again. The nice folks with money that do not know what to do with it or, the politicians they help support with their money to get into office. I think they have taken a page out of Paul Joseph Goebbels; was a German politician and Minister for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda, handbook in that the people are feed false facts. This in turn gets donations of millions of dollars to save a beloved project yet, we cannot take care of our sick or elderly. Not one dime should be used for the sick that cannot work or afford health insurance because they are medically sick. Please note I did not say lazy! Big money will spend billions to save a tree and buttkiss on another human and the reason is the human is just trying to get something for nothing. The truth is BIG MONEY is doing nothing more than looking to increase ways to make more free money. How? By spending billions in government money, via grants, in research to figure how to CONTROL something they cannot. Like the weather! We morons just have to flip the bill! Wait! Bush says AMARICANS can afford it, but can we?

Re Polar bears
Who counted them? How do we know they are decreasing. They expand their range when hunt is scarce. They swim a lot better than you or I.
Solution: Capture and transport to Oregon plenty of food source for them there. (They might not adapt I hear Liberals taste BITTER)

Grab yer guns and march...
Roadkill58 and George Washington. I'll be there! Leftists, ecofreaks and communists are all the same with different titles, different avenues of attack, but seek IDENTICAL results.

For Outryder (#4)
Selected expansion of acronyms of US's LSM:
(1) CBS -- "C" used for imperative verb "see"
(2) ABC -- All B---s--- Corporation
(3) NBC -- Numpty B---s--- Corporation
(4) PBS -- another (like CBS) nearly self-explanatory

You actually expect TRUE reporting from any of the above?

No cars? #26
No car dealers, no commercials,no revenue for radio and TV, no free ballgames,no need for gas, no oil companies,no airplanes, no travel, no jobs, no need for politicians to tell us what's wrong.

Go to all Zoos and free the Polar Bears. Let them run wild and eat us.

Tom McClintock
has a site that is currently experiencing tech problems. It is called Citizens for the California Republic.
He has an excellent article about the true costs of the Global Warming hysteria in California.
I was going to cut and paste it from an email I recieved from one of my anti-GW group, but I hate it when people do that.
I am working on putting together a site for central fact finding to fight this BS. I already have significant information debunking Man made global warming as a total scam, probably the largest scam in history.
I am also looking for some help on starting an NRA type group to combat this insanity in court.
The first battle needs to be supporting the Governor of Alaska in his suit.
We can complain and lose everything or we can fight.
I'm not a loser.

They push
Darwinism in the schools but cant handle survival of the fittest! These green weenies keep screwing around messing with the system every time they do it pushes something else out of wack. New we hear the salmon are being eaten by too many seals. Lets save teh salmon ship down a few polar bears to manage the seal heard! Geez and our government buys into this crap! Its no wonder why things are such a mess they just cant leave anything alone.

Cordial Invitation
Visit my blog for two Brand New parodies! One even mentions Polar Bears!!!! Check it out!
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Polar bear's durability
Over the last 2 million years, the northern hemisphere has had some 22 ice ages of approximately 100,000 years. The polar bears survived the 10 F temperature variation that accompanies the onset and withdrawl of the ice ages. My guess is they adapted by changing their diet and moved. Most remarkably, they even survived the mass extinction of large land mammals caused by American Indians upon the opening of the Bering Sea land bridge. Watch George Carlin's the Earth is Fine on youtube.

George Will is on to something.
Well, in terms of our launching preventive wars, all I can say is I hope our efforts regarding the polar bears fare better than did our efforts on Iraq.

Maybe the odious neocon virus is affecting domestic policy now.

The same sanctimony and arrogance characterizing the administration's Iraq decision now is embodied in musings of Kempthorne in launching preventive action.

If Iraqis can be wards of the state(or government)...billions of American tax dollars invested in their infrastructure, education and even health)...why not polar bears?

At least with polar bears we don't have to worry about any Shia-Sunni sectarianism.

And thankfully they do not memorize the Koran.

Note to RNC
Another ridiculous sop to the eco-crowd.......and you wonder why Republicans are losing elections.
Is there is no leadership or common sense to be found in this party ??
I'll not support Al Gore "lite" policies or candidates.
Add Republican pols to the 'threatened' list......

Couldn't agree more
You're a brilliant man. How do I know? Because you agree with what I was saying last week on http://www.socialcollapse.com when I wrote pretty much the same thing.

This is one of the great Environmentalist triumphs overshadowing anything they've accomplished in the last couple of decades. The ramifications of the decision are mind-numbing and I suspect we've only glimpsed a tiny part of it. It's going to be amusing and educational to watch what they do with the massive amount of clout they've had thrust into their hands. I think they are still reeling from the magnitude of their success.

My dear Roadkill...
You are obviously a typical white person, clinging to your musket.

Let me know when and where the march on Washington begins, and I will join you and bring a few fellow patriots (I am proud to be a patriotic Georgia redneck).

Your Most Humble and Obedient Servant,

George Washington


Have we fallen so far?
How depressing. Are scientific judgements now being based on our best science rather than on the writings of scienificly illiterate journalists. How far the Bush administration has fallen.

But certainly one can see how the possibility that constraints would be placed on the building of a power plant is comparable to invading a country leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. It is almost impossible to tell the two apart.

Interesting twist
I have an interesting little tale to share. It seems that here in Illinois, where I'm working for a few weeks, cougars have made a comeback and are now wandering in to the suburbs of Chicago. In fact, there was a big story in the local news a couple of weeks ago when police killed a large cougar who had invaded a residential neighborhood. All of the girly greenies were crying hysterically for the poor little (well, actually, kinda large) kitty.

As the debate goes on, however, it seems that the Illinois Department of Natural Resources is, and has been for the past several years, trying to claim that there are NOT any of the endangered cougars in the state.

It seems that the DNR has realized that officially recognizing the existence of the cougars, which of course are in the state, will cause it all manner of grief and expense by virtue of compliance with the various red tape associated with protected species.

Easier and cheaper to pretend they don't exist.

I remain,

Your Most Humble and Obedient Servant,

George Washington

Computer Models do not predict climate
Anybody who believes polar bears or any other species is threatened because of the computer climate models is an addle-brained fooled.

Computer climate models do not output scientific facts. Computer climate models do not make predictions. Computer climate models do not make forecasts. Computer climate models demonstrate possible *what if* scenarios.

The biggest *what if* is are we modeling the climate correctly? None of the computer climate models is demonstrably reliable. No computer climate model predicted no warming for a decade. No computer climate model predicted the change in the ocean currents that caused this year's cooling.

Time for a Tea Party
Maybe it's time for the reasonable citizens to throw our version of The Boston Tea Party. It never ceases to amaze me how liberals bi%^& and moan about how Bush has taken away their rights and shredded the Constitution while all the time trampling all over our rights in the name of mother earth. Scrap the Kyoto accords, throw out the UN, dump the tea in the harbor, grab your muskets and march to the sound of the guns. If we keep going down this path our children and grandchildren will become slaves of the state which is what the libs want. If Osama Obama is elected it will hasten that end.

Vic Writes




Another loss of common sense, but then again, with all of the current crop of polls lined up to be eco-idiots there is no common sense.

You heard it here first: "If common sense were truly common more people would have it!"









Preventive Threats
There is a real threat looming and that is the threat of environmentalist whackos of every political stripe taking this country to the brink of doom by limiting the drilling for our own oil. The USA needs to start drilling for oil off the coasts of New Jersey, Florida, California and Alaska and needs to start today!
Environmental whackos are spreading their misguided views into every facet of human existence. Where is the war against environmental whackos?

Thank you, Vic
That part about the theoretical federal authority coming from an "international treaty" process is what I had not previously been aware of. Thanks very much for your description.

Would that then be the potentially much-higher hurdle the governor of Alaska will need to overcome to get the federal kommissars to butt out of this clearly-Alaska-only issue?

Fools, all, out there in federal-fantasyland. Wouldn't it be fun to replace 80% of the Congress some particular election cycle rather than 2%.

Sorry ... back on point ... Might there be some tangible action we citizens, "The People"-types out here, might take to slam this down?

Okay ... just dreaming ...

Ciao,
RangerG6R

Folks I have to go
back later this afternoon.

The debate on global warming is over...
... and we skeptics won. This was pretty clear last August when it turned out that there hadn't been any warming this decade, that claims that the previous year was the warmest year on record were wrong. And now they're admitting that we might be in for some cooling up until 2015, when they say global warming will start up again. The true believers will of course accept this last part as gospel, but any neutral observer will say that this cooling phase wasn't predicted and so any future predictions by these people ought to be taken with a grain of salt.

It's really too bad that both Bush and McCain have fallen for this nonsense.

Note to ALL
This is another example of the eco-idiots taking over a gov department and running roughshod over the rights of people with no recourse by the citizens.

I say that because the agency has actually ruled that they can place animals on the list with NO EVIDENCE get away with it. That is what they are doing here.

They also have one case where their eco-idiots actually "planted" evidence in order to perform one of their uncompensated takings. No action was taken against the eco-idiots involved in that fraud.

All of this causes land owners to adopt a new policy called SSS, Shoot, Shovel, and Shut up. All of you home owners in Alaska take note. Not only is this ruling going to limit oil and gas exploration but it will greatly increase the likelihood of your property being taken to “protect” the polar bear. If you have frequent visits from these dangerous pests then your land and home becomes protected habitat and you will not get a nickel in compensation.

Ranger
Once you surrender the Endangered Species Act you have surrendered to every action under color of that act.

Personally I failed to find anything in the Constitution that allows the government to regulate species.

The site below gives a good explanation as to the sorry state of affairs that the SCOTUS of 1995 (max liberal) allowed to stand. Basically the act was based on "international law", treaties, and the Article 6 (This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.) Note Article 6 was intended that treaties would be made IAW the Consititution, the latter part was written to give the Constitution and treaties "under it" power of the States.) In any case, the interpreattion of the "TREATY" portion of this has gone back and forth depending on the case.

When the liberals needed a treaty to get what they wanted they used it. When a treaty opposed what they wanted they ruled the other way.

It is completely illogical that the founders intended for treaties to be another method of ammending the Constitution. If they did they would have placed the same controls on treaties as they did the amendment process.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Coffman/mike2.htm

Constitutional Fedeeral Authority???
Let me try to first ask this in a serious sense: Can someone out there help me understand how this alleged polar bear issue may have ANY Constitutional basis for ANY federal authority?

It would seem to be a perfect example of a single-state issue that should theoretically have nothing to do with the citizen/taxpayers of my fine State of New York.

Interstate commerce? National defense? Promote the general welfare? Free association?

If the new legal action being considered by the State of Alaska to put a stop to this seemingly obvious NOT-Constitutional (U.S., that is) federal action could potentially shut down a federal power base that shouldn't even be there ... Where do I sign up to support it?

And then, after this succeeds, what's the process for getting the U.S. out of the business of Housing & Urban Development.

Shalom.
RangerG6R

Bears ~! Polar Bears !
oh wow! cute cuddly animals. I luv them. I hug them. I sacrifice meny hoomans fer pallor bers.

O.K. Now that I have established my leftist credentials,

Here it is:

Any Polar bear that shows up on my property, is TOAST. I also, will have a new rug in my den. Oh, yes, I do know how to tan leather.

Oh, and as for you lefties, I do hope you contribute to saving the Polar bears, by becoming their food.

Is that not fair? I think so.

Please listen to the "Ride of the Valkyries".

Also, please remember, that carnivores, simply love "Big-Macs". i.e. you. You big hunk of protein.

Lefties, see anything here? I did not think so.

A Modest Proposal...
Nuke washington D.C.

Yes, this is satire.

But, how could we be worse off?

You got me.


R guvmint do be R nue lords an laddies.
Wee jist be da serfs to pay fer it all

wee iss doomed. i grab guns an beer an hed fer da bak cuntry.

Any other choices? I did not think so.


will
what the hell do you know about polar bears. just keep talking about baseball will ya will

Hope on the Horizan?

Wow George another
article on the polar bear fraud. Has anyone ever put two and two together and looked at the simplicity of this issue. Forget the causes of global temperture variation, forget possible future trends and the accuracy of the prediction; just look at what has happended in the past 50 years or so with temperatures, ice, and the polar bears. IF (a big if) the artic ice shelf is decreasing as the eco-idiots say AND the polar bear population is increasing as the enterior department says, then how in the h*ll can they say that ice shelf loss will threaten the bears?

Another loss of common sense, but then again, with all of the current crop of polls lined up to be eco-idiots there is no common sense.

ABC's false reporting
ABC ran aq story last week about the fastly melting ice in teh Arctic. They went to Norway, actually to Spitsbergen, 800 miles North of the Mainland. The reporter tells of the melting ice threatening the new ice seal pups with drowning. What they didn't tell the viewer is that the seals calving season is about over. It runs from March through May. It appears that by June, when the pups are no longer dependant on the ice, the polar bears would find slim pickings, whether the ice recedes or not. Another thing they didn't tell us was that the West side of the island is usually ice free year round, due to the North Atlantic Conveyance ending at it's front door. They also didn't tell us that the air temperature isn't warm enough yet to thaw anything out. (Maybe they didn't make the trip THIS spring, but rather last summer) I checked the temps for Ny Alesund last night via Hamweather.net and the temp was -3 degrees C (that was the high)with no warming predicted for the next five days. Any melting of the sea ice would have to be happening below the water line.

Are the MSM reports realy this ignorant, or is false reporting deliberate.

Will Americans give up cars?
Since most Americans' knickers are in a twist over the price of gasoline, what should one suppose will happen when draconian regulations to save polar bears descend on their lives, plundering their pocketbooks and taking bread out of their mouths? Will they sit passively in their dark, chilly homes every evening contemplating which of their diminishing modern comforts they can next do without to save polar bears? I doubt it.

See, the left talks a good game, but when they get to run things, economies shrink, societies decay, and real people suffer. Then they make changes. Exhibit A: Jimmy Carter to Ronald Reagan. The left can control the future, but it is not a future most Americans care for. Moreover, the right can't keep the left out of power because the right can't be trusted with power, either. And so we must live with the inevitable oscillations between bad governance serving opposite ends, few of which have anything to do with the common good.

Polar bears
Enviro reasoning: polar bears trump national security. Pollute today!

do they see?
what they are doing is keeping us funding the islamofaschists who want to kill us?
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