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Sunday, May 11, 2008
George Will :: Townhall.com Columnist
Testing the Political Climate in a Special Election
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SOUTHAVEN, Miss. -- The 1st Congressional District, the northernmost in the most culturally Southern state, has given the nation William Faulkner and Elvis Presley, and next Tuesday will have a special congressional election that will test the Republican hope that Barack Obama and his former pastor can be the basis of a Republican strategy to nationalize congressional races to the disadvantage of Democrats. A Senate seat also could be affected by the cascading consequences of Republican Sen. Trent Lott's December resignation.

Republican Gov. Haley Barbour replaced him with 1st District Rep. Roger Wicker, who this November will be on the ballot seeking election to the remainder of Lott's term. Wicker's opponent is former Gov. Ronnie Musgrove, who has won two statewide elections.

The winner of the Republican nomination to fill Wicker's House seat is Greg Davis, mayor of this town, which is on the far west side of the district, just down Interstate 55 from Memphis. This location is -- read on -- a problem. His Democratic opponent, Travis Childers, a chancery clerk and businessman, is from the district's east side, which is less affluent. In seven elections, Wicker's smallest majority was 63 percent. In 2004, George W. Bush carried the district with 62 percent.

The April 1 primary run-off determined that Davis and Childers will be on the November ballot. But in the April 22 nonpartisan special election to settle who will serve the remaining months of Wicker's term, Childers fell just 410 votes short of 50 percent, which would have given him the seat. Davis received 46 percent.

At the peak of the furor about the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's Web site endorsed Childers. Davis promptly produced an ad featuring Wright in full throat. The ad said:

"When Obama's pastor cursed America, blaming us for 9/11, Childers said nothing. When Obama ridiculed rural folks for clinging to guns and religion, Childers said nothing. Travis Childers. He took Obama's endorsement over our conservative values."

Childers, who is pro-life and pro-gun, told a Memphis television interviewer that "Senator Obama has not endorsed my candidacy. I've not been in contact with his campaign nor has he been in contact with mine." The last two assertions are, Childers insisted in a telephone conversation on Monday, true. But the television interviewer asked him, "Would you accept Obama's endorsement?"

Childers: "Let me tell you what sort of endorsements we're looking for and that we've had. We've had the endorsement of working people of north Mississippi, working families."

Childers says he does not fear the arrival, next Monday, of Vice President Dick Cheney here in DeSoto County, where President Bush enjoys 67 percent job approval. As evidence that nationalizing the election is a barren strategy, Childers cites last Saturday's special congressional election in Louisiana, where the Democrat ended the Republican Party's 33-year hold on the 6th District, in spite of the Republican candidate's charge that his opponent would be allied with Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. But because national Democrats can be problems for Southern Democrats, Childers wants to change the subject, making this an election not about party but about geography: Should the district be represented by someone based, as Davis is, in the Memphis metropolitan area?

If Childers wins on Tuesday, Davis will have another crack at him in November, when the top of the Democratic ticket, whoever it is, might be a heavy weight in Childers' saddle. But Davis had better win now because Mississippians in this district know how to split their tickets. For a House record 53 years from November 1941 to January 1995, while the South was changing from solidly Democratic to solidly Republican, Mississippi's 1st District was represented by Democrat Jamie Whitten.

In 1928, when some Southern Democrats balked at voting for their party's presidential nominee, Al Smith, a Catholic, incensed party loyalists popularized the saying, "I'd vote for a yellow dog if he ran on the Democratic ticket." There are few white "yellow dog" Democrats left in the South, but many unshakable Democrats: 36 percent of Mississippians are African-American, the highest percentage of any state. Mississippi has the largest number of African-American elected officials, including 47 of 174 state legislators. If Obama becomes the Democratic nominee, stimulating African-American turnout, Musgrove's Senate candidacy could benefit, leading the national Democratic Party to open its wallet for him.

So, a Childers win on Tuesday would be a scary harbinger, and not only for House Republicans. Senate Republicans might have an unanticipated worry in an unlikely state.

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Testing the Political Climate in a Special Election
Sen. Wicker is just a big government CINO. While in the House, he cosponsored two bills (HR 4411 and HR 4777) that forced banks to be the Internet gaming police. Needless to say, it's hard to claim any kind of limited government belief when pushing for regulations on banks that force them to perform these non-banking functions.

George Will wrote an excellent article in late 2006 opposing these bills. Grover Norquist, Walter Williams, and all other REAL conservatives oppose this as well.

The Poker Players Alliance (www.pokerplayersalliance.org) now has over one million members. These members will vote for their rights. If this costs some phony "conservatives" their seats, then so be it.

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I've not yet decided on whom to support, but Bob Barr would make an excellent POTUS. If he wins the Libertarian nomination, I think he'll win the support of a lot of conservatives.

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Mississippi has been through a tough time in the passed couple of years. I hope the Republicans have been active enough at the local level to have maintained their reach in these economically challenging times.

Does the population feel weak or strong? If they feel weak - they may be tempted to go for big government.

Has Haley Barbour devwloped strong leadership at the grassroots level? With so much pride, Mississippians took to fixing their own State. Mississippians have much to be proud of and much work yet to be done.

Are Mississipians demoralized? Or do they see Dicky Scruggs as a symptom of Republican "leadership" rather than empowering economic development?

Who innoculates through sound, honest and successful leadership? Now is not the time for everyman for himself - now is the time for everyone to pull it together under sound conservatism...to be absolutely committed to empowerment rather than dependency.

Do Republicans have the economic development record to substantiate their claims that less government is better? Less aid is better? Less entitlement is better?

Can they state with certainty that less government taxes will shorten the hardship or anxiety? What is the Republican Vision in each and every race?

Letting Democrats take the Republican platform is not a successful means of winning. Even if both are "conservative" a Democrat will only enhance the possiblitity that more taxes NOT less will occur, that pro-life and family issues will fall by the road side under liberal pressure.


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George- You rule!

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Thinking about good governance and what that means for our Party and our Nation on a local, State and Federal - legislative, executive and judicial please listen to this guy on the link below from the GAO.

It is sobering and puts the seriousness of the situation in plain view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjZBOCAgR64

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The Republicans wil probably retain this seat unless the disgust with mcLame is so overwhelming that the conservatives all stay at home instead of voting a split ticket.

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It's fun to imagine a district that gives Bush a 67 percent approval rate signaling the beginning of the the end of our 7-year national (international?) nightmare.

Still, Will's brilliance notwithstanding, it's difficult to believe a looking-glass district in Mississippi with lots of local-issue distractions will hold much significance for November elections here on Planet Earth.


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George still doesn't get it. The Republican Party especially the extreme conservative branch will receive a well deserved "quiet time" as one evangelical mother recently told me. I just hope that the party can survive all the damage inflicted on it over the last 30 years. The bill is coming due.

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With Republicans abandoning conservatism are conservatives to hold their noses and vote Democrat Lite? There are two directions available in the political world. With both parties headed in the same direction it is just a question of how quickly we are ruined not whether.

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Lisa
"....is sobering and puts the seriousness of the situation in plain view."

It has been in plain view. What the Republican Party did was literally loot the country like a bankrupt person maxing out their credit cards before they go bust. It has been about using what was provided by the greatest generation and not replacing or improving it. But I put to you it is true extreme conseratism: every man for themselves to heck with anyone else including our children.

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Are we better off now than 8 years ago? Yes, in one big way - Clintons are on the slide into the sewer that they, as individuals, made for themselves. Aside from that, Jorge Bush, followers, and spending Republicans in Congress have taken one huge step for liberals. Loose credit, open borders, bail-outs for Wall Streeters, spending my taxes on ethanol, switching to Owlgore's party of the dreamy, and pushing the LOST treaty along with more NAFTAs, trade deficits.

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TeeHall

"... spending my taxes on ethanol, switching to Owlgore's party of the dreamy, and pushing the LOST treaty along with more NAFTAs, trade deficits"

What is wrong? You don't want to accept what you and your party did to the country? Go back and try again to answer the question, "Are we better off now than 8 years ago?"

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Looks to me like job creation is occuring in Mississippii - granted it appears through government contracts like the Tankers being built. What is Mississippi's plan to become a producer and conservator of energy? This is as much an issue as education performance.

Is private industry growing in Mississippi?

If household income asn't increased, what options exist in Mississippi for folks to improve opportunity and income?

Senator Wicker's web site doesn't mention illegal immigration. Anyone know his official stance? Seem to me if unemployment is high in Mississippi, border enforcement is a necessity.

A functioning immigration system would be great after enforcement is largely effective.

I wonder if they have Voter ID laws in Mississippi?

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I just wanted to mention I found the youtube clip of the GAO guy on Bob Marsall's (Va) Senate website. This is the second time I find myself grateful tat this guy is in politics. The first time was when he had overturned the unconstitutional taxes that were to be impossed by a regional unelected body.

see - http://www.BobMarshall2008.com

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Mississippi is a black state when it comes to voting, so that state will go for any Democrat who leans for Obama. Blacks don't even care about Obama's lack of patriotism or loyalty to the United States. They just want to see a black in the White House even if he is a Muslim born and bred anti-American.


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You tell people that the country is on the wrong track. That too much government regulation, moral decay, trail lawyers, activitst judges, and yankee politicians are ruining the country.

So they vote for you and seven years later things are a mess. You say to yourself, we gave those conservatives a turn at bat and they screwed up. At best they were no different than the liberals they attacked, at worst they had no prescription for fixing things.

People who don't believe in government, don't study how to run one effectively. Trickle down economics didn't trickle down. So you are willing to give the other team a try.

That is what is happening in the reddest of red states and the people who watch polls know that. No swift Boat type sleaze will work this time.

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JMO51

"People who don't believe in government, don't study how to run one effectively. Trickle down economics didn't trickle down. So you are willing to give the other team a try.

That is what is happening in the reddest of red states and the people who watch polls know that. No swift Boat type sleaze will work this time."

BINGO! You said it far better than I could.

All happy Mother's Day. I am off to have a barbecue with the newest mother in our clan. Best part? She is NYFD EMT. Be well

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Liberal idiots posting. There has been no conservative in government since Ronald Reagan left office.

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lethrneck writes: Blacks don't even care about Obama's lack of patriotism or loyalty to the United States. They just want to see a black in the White House even if he is a Muslim born and bred anti-American.

PW: What lethrneck doesn't know about everything is a lot.

Blacks don't care about patriotism and aren't loyal to the United States? Obama is a Muslim?

Get some help, lethrneck. You're suffering from an acute case of bigotry, ignorance and testosterone poisoning.

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Newt to GOP: Change course now or face calamity in November

Is Newt right?

HotAir-Without Change, there’s no Hope.

The Republican loss in the special election for Louisiana’s Sixth Congressional District last Saturday should be a sharp wake up call for Republicans: Either Congressional Republicans are going to chart a bold course of real change or they are going to suffer decisive losses this November…

This defeat follows on the loss of Speaker Hastert’s seat in Illinois. That seat had been held by a Republican for 76 years with the single exception of the 1974 Watergate election when the Democrats held it for one term. That same seat had been carried by President Bush 55-44% in 2004…

A February Washington Post poll shows that Republicans have lost the advantage to the Democrats on which party can handle an issue better — on every single topic…

This is a catastrophic collapse of trust in Republicans built up over three generations on the deficit, two generations on taxes, and two generations on national security.

read more

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/newt-to-gop-change -course-now-or-face-calamity-in-november

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Reply #17

.....If O.J. Simpson was on the ballot ...would he get the black vote? .....COLOSSUS

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I think it isn't too late if we ACT NOW by electing truly conservative politicians that can work on a realistic needs based analysis to make every penny productive, to pass back to the States what States can do for themselves, to awaken and energize every State and locality to the competative environment that exists in terms of educational success by providing school choice, a select format for growth that efficiently addresses transporation and energy and a low tax environment that attracts investment in white and/or blue collar industry in a functioning regulatory environment.

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Don't forget to digg this article, either via the link at the bottom of the article or here: http://digg.com/politics/G_Will_Testing_the_Political_Clim ate_in_a_Special_Election .

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I have an article at http://pokerplayersalliance.org/news/newsandarticles_artic le.php?DID=237 where I've rated every Congressman for their support for Internet freedom regarding Internet poker. Most opponents are big government conservatives who claim the limited government mantle....until they want something. Then, the sky's the limit!

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Republicans are losing elections, not because of conservatism, but because they are turning away from it and becoming liberal-lite.

Even GWB would be seeing his approval ratings at least 20 points higher if he hadn't continually angered the conservative base with his liberal/socialist programs - NCLB, his push for amnesty, the Medicare drug plan, his acceptance of the global warming hoax, and his failure to push for energy independence.

What it would take for local candidates to win is for them to stand up for our Constitutional rights, against big government programs. They have to stand up for recovering the oil available to us, building refineries and nuclear power facilities, and stopping the use of food crops for fuel. The Republican candidates must insist on controlling our borders and enforcing our laws. This is as important to our national security as winning the war in the Middle East.

Having two liberal parties is not the answer - it is the problem.

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It's time to test the definition of "conservative"

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JMO51 says:

"People who don't believe in government, don't study how to run one effectively."


Which immediately begs an important question.

Just what the puck is it about government that can possibly make of it the subject of *BELIEF*?

A real conservative thinks of government as a noxious, dangerous thing - à la Thomas Paine ("Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one...").

What we are presently calling CINOs (Conseratives In Name Only) are a mix of those peculiar accretions to conservatism in this nation that have plagued the Republican Party since its inception -

- the "court party" faction carried over with the plundering policies of Clay's Whig Party "American System" of taxpayer-raping pork and inflationism, the "Rockefeller Republicans" or "Rotarian Socialists" whose battle cry is invariably "Three cheers for free enterprise, and keep those subsidies, quotas, tariffs, bank bailouts, and sweetheart deals a-coming!" -

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Testing the definition of "Conservative"

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To these "Rockefeller Republicans" we've more recently added other groups of CINOs:

> The "social conservatives" (better known as the religious whackjobs), who simply didn't show up on the radar at the Republican horizon until the '70s, when the McGovern brand of militant secularists made it inescapably clear that the Democrats weren't willing to peddle the soothing syrup of "Kinder, Küche, Kirche" anymore, and the grasping idiots of the RNC saw their chance to gain votes by smarming to the "Barefoot and Pregnant" tastes of America's Christian *fellahin*

> The "national greatness" conservatives - also known as neocons - who see absolutely *NOTHING* wrong with big, intrusive, all-powerful government as long as it's being used to flout power and break skulls all over the world, intimidating foreign military and naval powers and putting the boot on Third World necks whenever the underpeople get uppity. These false Republicans can be marked by the fact that they get all misty-eyed over Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who was the most unspeakably damnable president to infest the White House in the entire 20th Century, hatred of whom comes to every honest-to-God Republican with his mother's milk.

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The States that will survive are the States that go conservative.

The States that cede to the illusion of infinite federal dependency will be in constant deficit unable to avoid their fate, spending their way into subservience.

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Defining "conservative"

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Against these cancerous tumors on the Republican body politic, we contrast what Hayekians sometimes call "American conservatives" to differentiate us from the "court party" conservatives of Europe. (See von Hayek's "Why I am Not a Conservative" at http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/hayek1.html )

To the European way of thinking, American conservatives are *THEIR* meaning of the term "liberal," and rightly so. In the 19th Century, a political liberal was defined as someone who defended individual rights - to life, to liberty, and to property - against the government.

We're the *REAL* American liberals. And if the Democrat Party National Socialists are done hiding under the term "Liberal," we'd like it back.

Which the Republican Party will deserve, too - as soon as it sheds the "Rotarian Socialists" of the corporate welfare state, the religious fanatics, and the "cops of the world" Scoop Jackson fascisti.

We don't need 'em, don't want 'em, won't put up with them.

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SJ Doc

You poor fellow - it must be trying listening to the religious right speak about the value of life, stewardship, moral responsability, living a clean life, inviting you to a relationship with Jesus and their right to worship and to raise their children and educate them in their faith.

I am so glad we as a Nation have an overarching belief in the Rule of God for clearly you would prefer to limit what irritates you.

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Of course in the course of defending my own right to practice my faith, to particpate in the public square - I also accept everyone elses freedom to participate - even you SJ Doc.

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Not to mention - you are an idiot SJDoc because a lot of the Religious Right believe in Subsidiarism or steardship meaning we are fiscal conservatives with consideration for conservation and sustainability.

Why the heck would you be such an idiot as to turn away folks that want the same thing you say you support?

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Lisa,

There is a big difference between supporting traditional values and advocating legislation that seeks to mandate these values via big government. Real conservatives don't trust or want big government, because we realize that a government powerful enough to give us all we want is powerful enough to take all we have.

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A lot of real Goldwater/Reagan conservatives voted for Dr. Paul in the primary and will vote for Bob Barr in the general if he wins the Libertarian nomination.

The GOP is the party of big government social conservatism. Rather than promoting freedom from government imposition of their values on us, they have decided to use government to impose their values on us, while greatly expanding the size and scope of the federal government!

It's so bad that they our nation's banks combing through federal and state laws to determine what online gaming is legal and what online gaming is not! You see, the formerly small government GOP has deputized banks to enforce laws relating to YOU playing poker on the Internet in your OWN HOME!

Banks are bitterly complaining, yet "conservative" congressmen insist that this is a proper exercise of the federal government!

You can stand up for freedom at http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org/letter . Check it out. You can send a letter to Congress in only 60 seconds. Check out http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9746.html and http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gSosJ3yBl86H6_d8cUo1a3t ZgCgAD8VPUJR00 for info.

The big government CINOs are out of touch. I imagine a few years in the political wilderness will straighten them out.

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http://www.bobbarr2008.com/

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Lisa...I would simplify your reply #24 to say,

Throw all the incumbents out and tell government to GET OUT OF THE WAY!


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Let me rephrase, Traditional values support limited government.


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" Let me rephrase, Traditional values support limited government."

I agree. America is most conservative when government meddles the least. Big government always weakens traditional values, no matter how well intentioned.

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Due to money laundering issues I'd imagine where ever there is a transaction made, there is a regulatory roll, hopefully it is self regulation rather than an intrusive and inefficient third party.

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Do you think the founding fathers expected politics to become Big Business?

Furthermore, so you think that they expected 'the rule of law' to become the litigious society we have today? A society run for, by and because of laws that defy common sense?

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Lisa.....Well SAID!

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"Due to money laundering issues I'd imagine where ever there is a transaction made, there is a regulatory roll, hopefully it is self regulation rather than an intrusive and inefficient third party."

The Internet gaming law that was passed weakens money laundering enforcement, as it overtaxes the banks by requiring checks of millions of accounts. Also, many Americans are opening offshore accounts so that they can participate in online gaming. This hurts the enforcement efforts against money laundering as well (by creating more accounts to check).

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"Throw all the incumbents out and tell government to GET OUT OF THE WAY!"

We pretty much did that and got war, torture, illegal immigrants,led in toys, contaminated medicine,air traffic melt down..... Guess what IT DID NOT WORK

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Mrs. Patty,

As part of his UN speech the Pope said something similar regarding international rather than American justice.

"Experience shows that legality often prevails over justice when the insistence upon rights makes them appear as the exclusive result of legislative enactments or normative decisions taken by the various agencies of those in power. When presented purely in terms of legality, rights risk becoming weak propositions divorced from the ethical and rational dimension which is their foundation and their goal. The Universal Declaration, rather, has reinforced the conviction that respect for human rights is principally rooted in unchanging justice, on which the binding force of international proclamations is also based.

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Lisa - Ah, the Christian Caliphate!

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Said Lisa:

"...it must be trying listening to the religious right speak about the value of life, stewardship, moral responsability, living a clean life, inviting you to a relationship with Jesus and their right to worship and to raise their children and educate them in their faith."


When it's done at gunpoint, under the muzzles of SWAT squaddies' M-16's and sniper rifles?

You betcher butt, lady.

Look, didn't Prohibition teach you religiot normative numbskulls *ANYTHING* about the unworkable stupidity of your efforts to mingle government firepower with Protestant putzelry?

Nobody has any problem with efforts at moral suasion. Though I was raised and educated entirely as a Roman Catholic, I don't mind reading modern Protestant theologians like Moltmann and Bornkamm and Bonhoeffer and Niemöller.

What I *DO* mind is Roundhead militants trying to use government power to ram their King James Version (KJV) Bibles down the throats of Americans who consider the various scattershot Protestant sects nothing more than rank heresy at best.

Persuasion is fine. Coercion is not.

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Lisa - Ah, the Christian Caliphate!

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Said Lisa:

"...it must be trying listening to the religious right speak about the value of life, stewardship, moral responsability, living a clean life, inviting you to a relationship with Jesus and their right to worship and to raise their children and educate them in their faith."


When it's done at gunpoint, under the muzzles of SWAT squaddies' M-16's and sniper rifles?

You betcher butt, lady.

Look, didn't Prohibition teach you religiot normative numbskulls *ANYTHING* about the unworkable stupidity of your efforts to mingle government firepower with Protestant putzelry?

Nobody has any problem with efforts at moral suasion.

What I *DO* mind is Roundhead militants trying to use government power to ram their King James Version (KJV) Bibles down the throats of Americans who consider the various scattershot Protestant sects nothing more than rank heresy at best.

Persuasion is fine. Coercion is not.

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As long as there are international banking standards that are uniformly upheld and enforced regarding money laundering I'd say with technology regulatory burdens will become less of a cost and more effecient over time.

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I think you are delusional SJ Doc and by the by, I'm Catholic. Have you been to church today? I think you need to go to confession first.

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"As long as there are international banking standards that are uniformly upheld and enforced regarding money laundering I'd say with technology regulatory burdens will become less of a cost and more effecient over time."

When the GOP passed the Internet gaming law in 2006, they didn't even consider the "international" aspect of international banking standards. Rather, they simply ordered offshore banks to comply, despite the fact that these businesses are perfectly legal in their own countries. This threatens to reduce the efficiency of the international system.

Also, many nations have said outright that they won't comply, as they're not bound to and as they weren't consulted.

Banks are really up in arms over this. It is ironic that it's the GOP that's over regulating the nation's banking system.

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I have more info on my MySpace page, at http://www.myspace.com/theengineer2008 . I've blogged a bit on the fight, at http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&fri endID=375635110&blogID=392608219 and at http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&fri endID=375635110&blogID=390038756 .

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S.C.R.E.W voting either party line anymore. Republicans are no more "small government" oriented than Democrats are. Americans are sick of being taxed for foreign aid, sick of losing our rights, sick of having our borders overrun by millions of illegal Mexicans, sick of having our sons killed in foreign wars that have nothing whatsoever to do with defending our country, sick of having our social security plundered, etc., etc. Both parties s.u.c.k.

The only thing the little guy can do that makes any sense at all is to vote against every congressional incumbent in both the house and the senate. S.c.r.e.w being loyal to either party. From now on it should be one term only for politicians and then kick their arses out of Washington... and for president, find a "conservative" Third Party to vote for or write in "Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul."

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As I understood money laundering issues covered by the two pieces of international legislation on banking standards after 9/11 and as you are stating something different or rather what was obvious before, there will always be bad players and people looking to get by the system for their nefarious desires - I can not see around the need to see undocumented money transfers.

I imagine Iran, Vanezuela, North Korea, Sudan and I could go on - wish their own secure banking system. I'm not going to make it easy on them.


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Hal D
Maybe GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WORK.

Did you ever think of that?

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Lisa - Sicilians don't need confession

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If God is everywhere and knows everything, why do we need to discuss private matters with some Irlandesi priest?

Betcha can't tell the difference between the KJV Bible and the Douay without looking it up on Wikipedia.

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Gahotdog....great post. What do you think the likelihood is to get the 'sheeple' to break from the two major political parties (even though, IMHO, there is not a dimes worth of difference between the two parties anymore)?

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Lisa,

I'm not talking about bad apples. I'm talking about nations that will not interfere with what they consider to be completely legal businesses. The WTO already ruled against the U.S. in this matter, in fact. And, it impacts domestic companies that offer Internet wagers on horse racing and on lotteries.

In short, my point is that the law wasn't passed to monitor the cross-border flow of money. Rather, it was passed to limit freedom, on the basis that the American people cannot be trusted with the liberty to choose to play poker. It's simply big government nanny-statism at it's worst, IMO.

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Gotta Go. Happy Mothers Day to all you moms out there.

NO FOOD FOR OIL

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Well Engineer - I'd have to look at the specifics. The devil is in the details.

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To SJ Doc on Defining "conservative": "We're the *REAL* American liberals.

Amen to that, Doc!

As for "Lisa", I don't see "Jesus" mentioned in the Constitution. Likewise, "Moses", "Mohammed" or, for the Democratic Socialists; "Marx".

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Hey, everyone! How do you like the new TownHall format? I'm not sure from MY perspective that I think it's necessarily more readable, but now we'll know what state each of us is currently residing in (usually, anyway). Ought to add an extra dimension or two to the on-line chats we have on this site now, don't you think?

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Hey Hal!

According to a post you made a couple of weeks ago, we were going to be in a full-blown recession by July.

Since recession is defined as two consecutive quarters of negative growth - and since there was positive growth in the 1st Qtr., how is your prognostication going to work out, eh?

Or did you mean July, 09, AFTER a Dem becomes president?

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Bucko - refering to freedom of speech and freedom of assembly and I said, "Invite" not coerce.

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Our inalien rights endowed by our creator - sets the bar above us all, thank God.

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"Mrs. Paddy Location: CA
Reply # 55
Date: May 11, 2008 - 12:42 PM EST
Hal D
Maybe GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WORK.

Did you ever think of that?

Ahh but it has and transformed us into a superpower with the highest standard of living in the world. We were respected and envied by the rest of the world. All squandered in a failed extreme conservatism experiment. No it is clear that government can and has worked; just as it is very clear your version of conservatism has failed.

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" Well Engineer - I'd have to look at the specifics. The devil is in the details."

I agree 100%.

If this industry were moved onshore and regulated (at least for money flow), compliance with money laundering issues would clearly improve.

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And on that misspelling I give you the exact wording and wish you all a good afternoon

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

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Hal Donahue writes:
Reply # 66
Date: May 11, 2008 - 1:44 PM EST

"All squandered in a failed extreme conservatism experiment. No it is clear that government can and has worked; just as it is very clear your version of conservatism has failed."
-----

Ha, ha, ha, ha....

Yeah, right Hal.

So tell us when we get to declare "victory" in the leftist/liberal sponsored "War on Poverty" that's been going on for ONLY 44 years and costs in the TRILLIONS of dollars.

Yep, those pesky "conservatives" sure are screwed up!

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YO Primus

Once again the Laird of Scranton Manor conveniently makes up his "facts" and ignores the terrible failure of the Great Society and the War on Poverty

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hey, I have a question...just a quick response needed. In another thread I pegged Robert with a superiority complex. What do you guys think about hal though? I mean, check out the definition and let me know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex

Testing the Political Climate in a Special Election
Hal the disgruntled ex Lt Col scribbles:

JMO51

"People who don't believe in government, don't study how to run one effectively. Trickle down economics didn't trickle down. So you are willing to give the other team a try.

That is what is happening in the reddest of red states and the people who watch polls know that. No swift Boat type sleaze will work this time."

BINGO! You said it far better than I could.

Which means neither of you know what you are talking about. What conservatives want is LESS government. Just like some tax is a necessary evil, so is the federal and state governments. I don’t need to be told what to do with my money or time, or for the likes of you to be the one with authority to do it.
Maybe you need someone to tell you when it’s time to P. I don’t!
P.S. TeeHall did answer, got it right, and the truth bugs you Doofus.

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean

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As a life long conservative, I believe the Republican party has lost site of why the House became a Republican controlled body in 1994. If Mississippi Republicans are concerned, they should be.

If it weren't for conservative talk radio we would have, in addition to McCain-Feingold, an Immigration Amnesty Bill signed into law. Republicans in Congress and the President are way out of touch with their constituents and McCain is clearly not inclined to listen those millions of us who disagree with him.

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Dick, read a column by Hawkins in here...it was written yesterday but it hits the nail on the head in terms of why they are losing control. it is a must read. you won't be disappointed, i promise.

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Thanks CK, Hawkins provides real insight into the mess the Congressional Republicans have made for us and themselves.

I really did not realize how bad it was until a number of Republican Senators went apple sugar after conservative talk radio shoved the "Amnesty Bill" up their noses, twice in a row.

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Testing 123

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I agree with Will.

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if the GOP candidate wins?

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Test

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After 1994, the Democrats were in full retreat. Retirements and defections plagued the Dems after a series of defeats (1994 mid-terms), scandals (House Check Kiting Scheme), and just poor politics(Clinton's tax increase, and Hillary's Health Care Boondolge). It all seems like ancient history, but only 13 years ago the Dems were in serious trouble. Of course, one could trace thier eventual survival and eventual ressurection to Dick Morris and his triangulation. The GOP lost most of thier momentuem when Newt Gingrich over-played his hand in Nov 1995 with his Medicare Showdown with Clinton. Whatever spirit of reform the GOP had in 1995 was lost. The GOP retreated legislatively and eventually morphed into Big Goverment's sugar-daddy.

It would not surprise me a bit if Obama captured at least 2 deep south states, maybe even more. Thanks to both the RNC and Bush, the GOP lost its identity. Since 2006, the Democrats have managed the unimaginable- convinving Red District voters that they can be just as conservative as the GOP. What a mess. This is what the RNC will continue to push - a watering down of small goverment popularism, and an increase in big goverment me-too-ism (Climate Change, AG subsidies, and earmarks).

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Is it just me, or does anyone else dislike the re-deisgn of the comment page? I wrote to a contact I have at TH, and let him know about this, but I'd like to get your feedback. So, if you don't like what TH has done, please write and let me know how you feel, so I can foward your comments on to TH. Email my at mrmcoupeth@yahoo.com.

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TH WAS HAVING TECHNICAL PROBLEMS
TH is having many technical problems. I noticed that post on the pages are experiencing numerous issues. It appears that someone on TH is trying to fix the problems. I posted a comment that I thought TH's re-design was done poorly, but I think that after they get the problems fixed things will be back to normal.

Hate this new page design
It looks tacky and cheap - like Obama

It's harder to read and wastes screen
space.

I may not come back. It was designed by the DNC.

DNC designed this new "look"
We lost.

Congratulations TH
Great new design TH programmers!African

Sam
The same things could have been said about Democrats in 1952, 1980, and 1996.

GOP..RIP?
Some say conservatism killed the Republican Party.That may be true in some instances,but I don't believe it is dead,in the first place.

It is interesting that while the Republicans are losing seats,the Democrats who are filling them,for the most part,do not run on a normally Democrat platform,they run as conservative Democrats.

Most cannot get elected by being a liberal,especially in the south and midwest,although they may vote liberal after winning.


Do You Want To Keep Your Country?


We the People of the United States of America have the right to have our borders and our laws respected and enforced.

Citizens of other countries illegally in our country have no right to demand anything from our government. They most certainly have the right to petition the governments of their home countries for change if they are unhappy with their home country. If they want to be Americans, we have a path to citizenship, more generous than any other nation, and it starts in their home country.

We need to insist on the equal protection, application and enforcement of the law or devolve into anarchy. Our Republic only functions if everyone follows the same rules. We should not change the laws to accomodate those breaking them.

If America annouces to the world "We can't stop you, so come on in" with another amnesty, the deluge will be overwhelming. If 3,000 a day didn't get your attention, then wait until it's 10,000 a day. We cannot sustain this influx and survive as a nation. We must speak up and speak to each other about this and not let false claims of racism or bigotry be used to intimidate us into silent assent. America is not Congress' to give away. America belongs to We the People. Speak to your neighbors, speak to your coworkers, but please speak up to your Congressmen and Senators. It's O.K. for us to enforce our laws, no really, it is.

Someone please tell Sen. McCain.

GOP=WHIG

The Republican Party under GWB seems intent on political suicide. Pandering to citizens of other countries illegally in our country while telling us we must be vigilantes if we object to illegal aliens ignoring our borders and laws. Mel Martinez was RNC Chairman to ensure an open borders candidate in '08. The cheap labor express will be kept running, regardless of the consequences, to party or country. GOP-RIP


The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.



Va.Pat.
No one has tried to control the borders.No one ever will.The fact that we have not been hit again,has nothing to do with our law enforcement,or anything else in this country.'They' are just not ready,yet.

We no longer have a country.When you have no borders,it is anyone's country who wants to come in.We have lost our sovereignty and lost control.Anyone can bring in a bomb at anytime.

We will be like any other 'third world country'soon,with several different 'factions' fighting for their 'piece of the pie'.We will then learn why many countries need dictators to control the mobs. Sad....

Robert
...and don't you wish you just has some?

Now Robert....
Whatever are you talking about?

Form a Conservative Party
Let's face it: the Democrat Party is now remarkably liberal and socialist. The Republican Party has become populist and moderate. Conservatives are the minority in both parties, yet both parties rely on our votes. The Conservative Party would be huge; for example, the 78% that roared at Congress over the illegal immigration laws they were quietly trying to get in the back door. Illegal immigration was a Conservative issue, just like taxes, ending the nonsense by refining and drilling our OWN oil, the importance of our gun rights, etc., etc. The average, hard-working American, whatever color or race they are, live Conservative lives and have conservative values, they just conditioned themselves into calling themselves Republican or Democrat. For the good of the country, I think Conservatives need to separate themselves from both parties and be able to nominate individuals to POTUS that we could truly feel enthusiastic and proud of supporting. Conservatives all speak like Reagan, regardless of their speaking style or the words they use; the principles and values of Conservatism remain the same, regardless of the speaker. I'd like to go into the 2012 election with a candidate I truly believed could truly fix things like Reagan did. The fact that Reagan, despite having the huge disadvantage of a Democrat Congress, was able to accomplish so many things the American people wanted done. These were Conservatives!
I wish the Limbaugh brothers, Hannity, The Heritage Foundation, the NRA, the CPAC, etc., would get all pull in the same direction to return America to some point of sanity. The hippies from the 60s have sown and reaped nothing but hardship and heartache for the American people. Grains being used for fuel is causing food shortages, public schools are failing our children, people are losing their homes, and we aren't allowed to become energy independent, etc.

A Conservative Party would be great!

Good morning to all!
I have a new series of posts I will be doing at my blog, Fountain Abbey, this week that I think all of you will enjoy.

As you have time, stop by the Abbey and check it out. You can click on my name, or cut and paste the following url:

http://fountainabbey.blogtownhall.com/

Hope to see all of you there!

Boutte:

The Dems ARE in charge of Congress. The Dems promised to lower gas prices when they took over Congress.

Gas prices have soared through the roof.

Last time I checked, there has NOT been a repeat of 9/11 and lots and lots and lots of terrorists have joined the Choir Invisible.

Obamaniacs wants to turn this country into what Britain was 1998.

Today Britain is reeling from the disaster of liberalism run amok. They're tossing out liberals for conservatives in landslide elections.

It will happen here too. The only question is whether we have enough intelligence to learn from their mistakes and avoid the disaster. I fear we will have to learn the hard way as they did.

Get ready for $10/gallon gas.

Oh, yeah I almost forgot: Ron Paul is a loon and you need to get a new hobby.


Has AnyBody Noticed ?
[Has} anyone else noticed that John Mc Ain't is running as hard as he can against the once great Conservative Ronald Reagan movement Winning by two landslides . The Largest vote differences ever .
I'm feeling like that 92 % of blacks that keep voting for Liberals as their Communities slowly get far worse ..... Liberals take the Black vote fore-granted and so called sissy RePlublicans are taking our Conservatives votes fore-granted as well .
Where 31 % of his possible voters are solidly based . John Mc Ain't is running as a ''Centrist " with leftist lending . I don't get it ? Help me .. Somebody .. Ok Anybody .
George Will has a few simple questions . We real conservatives have many other LAGER QUESTIONS like Mc Ain't wants to close the Terrorist prisons and try them here in our own courts ? Mc Ain't and and far lefty Ted Kennedy sponsored a bill Nationalizing 12-20 illegals they tried to sneak though Congress that Bush would have signed .Even thought Mc Aint's home State of Arizona has been broken economically over Illegals and the thousands of illegal Crimes .

Has AnyBody Noticed part 2 ?
Mc Ain't says No " Harassment " what so ever of a known terrorist that knows ''possibly " where WMD's are at or Nuke weapons about to go off ..... because of the Geneva convention he say's we must abide bye .Mr McAin't , Al Quada ''ain't ''a member and want join or play bye any of the Geneva convention rules . Either did Japan and we see how they treated Prisoners .
One suspects this is a sad rerun of Centrist presidential (50 % Liberal )candidates like Nelson Rockafellow ,Bush 41 a second time , Robert Dole and Jerald Ford all rolled into one .
We see how that turned out for " The RePublican" reported missing in action Party .
Play it again Sam? Yep !
Sam
PS- Voting for McAin't will be even harder than hugging my ex Mother in law and Voting for her as President .
Of course Voting for Oboma would be like hugging Hillary which would be far worse .(grin)

On A Side Note
Mr. Will makes a big deal of Southern Democrats in 1928 not wanting to vote for Al Smith who was a New York Catholic. LOL, the only States that he carried in the 1928 election were in the deep South. Al Smith didn’t even carry his own home State of New York and yet he won every State from SC West to LA and AR.

Correction
Al Smith did carry the State of MA. I missed that little bloth of red when looking at the map. However, that was the only State he carried not in the South.

How Many TImes Can the GOP Die?
Supposedly it died in 1964, in 1976, and again in 1992.

Most of the GOP's troubles can be traced back to the President and the RNC. The GOP also got into serious trouble in 1998. In almost every case the Democrats were thier own worst enemy. The Dems are long on cash, but short on ideas. Yes, Obama can give a good speech, but what does he say? Yes, the Congressional Dems are in the ascendent, but Bush still is the target of public's wrath. What did RM Nixon say in 1962 after he lost in California? "They won't have Richard Nixon to kick around anymore." Once Bush leaves office, and Obama takes his place, the spotlight will be on the Dems. They will have to ACT on the economy, Iran,Iraq, Climate Change, inflation,a weak dollar, deficits due to entitlement spending, illegal immigration, and Trade. Who knows what unexpected crisis are just over the horizon. Pelosi will have a near 100 seat lead in the House, and the Dems will have at least a 10 seat lead in the Senate (55-45).Obama will be in the Hot Seat.

There is an old saying, what goes around comes around. In 2 years, Obama may just wish he stayed another term in the Senate. And Hillary, don't forget about Hillary. She may just become the Senate GOP's best friend. She more than anyone will not wish Obama success.

Greg Davis

It looks like Greg Davis has what it takes. Now the question is, will both the establishment and the grassroots turn out 120% for him. Seems to me he is a dream come true for Mississippians.
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