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Wednesday, October 17, 2007
George Will :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Supply and Demand for Government
by George Will
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WASHINGTON -- Explaining a simple proposal to help people squirrel away gold for their golden years, Hillary Clinton said that a person "should not require a Ph.D. to save for retirement." But can even Ph.D.s understand liberalism's arithmetic and logic?

Consider the controversy over the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which is up for renewal. Most Republicans favor extending it. Almost all Democrats, and some Republicans, favor expanding it in a way that transforms it.

SCHIP is described as serving "poor children" or children of "the working poor." Everyone agrees that it is for "low income" people. Under the bill that Democrats hope to pass over the president's veto on Thursday, states could extend eligibility to households earning $61,950. But America's median household income is $48,201. How can people above the median income be eligible for a program serving lower income people?

Politics often operates on the Humpty Dumpty Rule (in "Through the Looking Glass," he says, "When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less"). But the people currently preening about their compassion should have some for the English language.

Clinton's idea for helping Americans save for retirement is this: Any family that earns less than $60,000 and that puts $1,000 into a new 401(k)-type plan would receive a matching $1,000 tax cut. For those earning between $60,000 and $100,000 the government would match half of the first $1,000. She proposes to pay for this by taxing people who will be stoical about this -- dead people -- by freezing the estate tax exemption at its 2009 level.

A conservative case can be made for something like Clinton's proposal. It is a case for reducing the supply of government by reducing demand for it, and doing so by giving people ownership of enlarged private assets as a basis for their security. It is a case for raising the nation's deplorable saving rate and simultaneously encouraging the nation's economic literacy and temperance by giving more people a stake in equities markets.

George W. Bush made this case in his advocacy of personal accounts financed by a portion of individuals' Social Security taxes and invested in funds based on equities and bonds. When he proposed this, Clinton stridently opposed him, and not just because she thought it would undermine Social Security's solvency and political support. She also said it was a dangerous gamble that would make retirement insecure by linking retirement savings to the stock market. Echoing a trope from Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign, she said investing retirement funds in the stock market was a "risky scheme."

Today her Web site calls her proposal a way to save for "a secure retirement." After an undisclosed epiphany, she belatedly recognizes that 401(k) funds invested in equities are a foundation for security.

John Edwards, too, has puzzling ideas. For the entertainment of Iowans, he has reinvented himself as a 19th-century Kansan -- Mary Elizabeth Lease, the prairie populist who urged farmers to "raise less corn and more Hell." In August, Edwards urged an Iowa audience to throw off Washington's yoke: "We need to take the power out of the hands of these insiders that are rigging the system against you."

To measure how much Iowans are suffering from the rigging, Stephen Slivinski of the libertarian Cato Institute was asked to mine the most recent Census Bureau data. He concluded that Iowans paid $15.6 billion in revenues to the federal government and got $19.4 billion back, a gain of $1,286.53 per Iowan.

But that is not all. Washington has rigged the system to inundate corn-growing Iowa with subsidies for corn-based ethanol. Slivinski says it is difficult to pin down the Iowa corn farmers' harvest of dollars because the subsidies come from exemptions from excise taxes and tariffs (54 cents per imported gallon) that stifle competition from cheap ethanol imports. It is, however, reasonable to add $2 billion to Iowa's gain from Washington's rigging of the system, so the average Iowan's gain is at least $1,963.65.

Suppose Iowa did not have crucial presidential nominating caucuses. Or suppose it had them but that its crucial crop were, say, broccoli rather than corn. Would the federal government still be, well, rigging the system to create a phony "market" to satisfy a specious "demand" for mandatory and subsidized ethanol? No, but it probably would be mandating broccoli at every meal.

Many politicians pander, as Edwards does with gusto, to Americans' current penchant for self-pity. Hence the incessant talk about "the forgotten middle class." Because such talk is incessant, it of course refutes itself.

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Sounds like
AMerica would be borrowing $1000 from China in your name, giving you the money, taking what is left when you die, and asking your kids and their kids to pay it back.

Giveaway programs always have a hidden cost. Free lunches always have a hidden cost. We sometimes don't discover what it is for fifty years. But I know this, giving all babies $5,000 (in any form) will serve as a magnet to pregnant third worlders. We already have 20 million to 38 million of them here.

Our leaders are taking us down a primrose path. When will sanity return to Washington DC?

Free America
If Americans want free stuff from the Feds, they'll have to surrender their economic freedom to the Feds in return. It seems to me that this is something most Americans are willing to do because their economic freedom has not awarded them enough stuff to satiate their avarice.

Since capitalism is economic freedom, avarice is its bane. Therefore, liberalism is avarice's vector.

LOL at the pic of Hillary,
standing in front of the word "A$$"! Townhall does a great job in finding great pics of conservatives and really bad ones of libs.

The man is Dead on
I always like seeing "True journalist" on this site instead of the usual junk. George Will is dead on target with this commentary. I suspect that in the next 3-6 months he will be writing one about how our government is going to bail out Housing lenders who have made bad loans. What we need in this country is a revolution from both political parties, they have become quite pathetic.

Answer to SCHIPS comment
"But America's median household income is $48,201. How can people above the median income be eligible for a program serving lower income people? "
It has to do with family size. A $60,000 income doesn't go far if you have 4 or 6 children.
And for those who say: only high earners should have children: read Mark Steyn on demographic concerns about the Western World vs. Muslim World. Children are our future, and if only high earners in the West have children, then they better start memorizing the Koran.

GeorgiaGal writes: 17, 2007 6:52 AM

A $60,000 income doesn't go far if you have 4 or 6 children.... read Mark Steyn on demographic concerns about the Western World vs. Muslim World. Children are our future, and if only high earners in the West have children, then they better start memorizing the Koran.

DESKJOCKEY WRITES

Why pay breeders and at the same time pay for abortions?

However, if we are going to fund breeders then we need to pick and choose who they are not just let a bunch of riff raff appoint themselves breeders and demand money.

I suspect high wage earners could afford more children if half their income wasn’t stolen. Why not have a tax on the poor to fund more children for high wage earners. That way the poor have less children having to work harder to fund rich breeders. Then we keep breeding more high wage earners who then can fund yet ever more children for high wage earners.

Nick in Austin
I like your use of the free lunch analogy. But if there ain't no free lunch, how can there be a free war? The American people were told by their President that they could best support the Afghanistan and Iraq wars by going to the mall and shopping. Raise taxes to pay for the war? Bite your tongue: tax cuts were ordered. Only a fraction of our population was directly touched by military service. Programs were put in place to assure easy mortgage (and other) credit. As long as Bush had a chorus of partisan yes-men instead of a Congress, he vetoed no pork, not a single sparerib. Money flowed---unfortunately, it had to flow out of China before it got to flowed around the United States. We all learned Cheney's famous dictum "Reagan taught us that deficits don't matter". To most of the American people right now, war is a video game without personal cost: no tax hikes, no sending one's own kids to fight it.

By George! Will is right.
Excellent article.

It amazes me that John Edwards is so contemptuous of his Iowa constituency that he rails against how Washington insiders are rigging the system against the very Iowans who are recipients of Washington's largesse.

And he does not bat an eye. How stupid he must think we are.

At least Hillary claims now to have undergone an epiphany.

This expanded democrat SCHIP proposal is a middleclass entitlement, even extending above what most view as middleclass income.

Just be honest and call it what it is.

lilly
You just don't get it....EVER....do you. You're right. There is no such thing as a free war. But what you consistently fail to realize is that THERE IS PLENTY OF MONEY. Always has been. I am an equal opportunity of pork barrel spending, and yes Bush should have used the veto pen more often, but the dems and the repubs have done a fine job wasting my money on things that they should have nothing to do with:

Baseball stadiums
Museums
Halls of Fame of any sort
The "Arts"
Companies that don't exist (Ask John Murtha)
The Dept of Education

The list goes on. Federal revenues have gone UP since the Bush tax cuts on the "evil rich." Raising taxes solves nothing.

And the point of this article is about Hillary's redistribution of wealth scheme that is designed to steal more of YOUR freedom Lilly.

You just don't get it!

lilly: Really?
"Raise taxes to pay for the war? Bite your tongue: tax cuts were ordered. Only a fraction of our population was directly touched by military service."

Really? I am touched by military service on nearly a daily basis. Additionally, speaking as a service academy-educated reserve officer & one the EVIL top 2% of income earners, only 50% of the population is actually touched by income taxes, i.e., the top 50% of income earners pay 96% of all income taxes. These are the PRODUCERS who have to fund the welfare industrial complex ($40T and climbing) that inordinately subsidizes the lifestyles of mostly "women-children" who think and look just like you. Nearly 60% of government spending goes to the welfare-industrial complex. Also, the DNC will soon buy themselves power in perpetuity by eliminating the ceiling on taxable Social Security income so that said PRODUCERS will also have to fund the retirements of the very same non-producers.

For someone who I gather has made few if any tangible contributions to society & who I doubt has personally paid income taxes of any substantial amount, your sense of moral indignation rings hollow. You are the reason why political franchises should only be extended to people who actually pay income taxes, not the ambulatory pathology parasite class who essentially vote themselves money by supporting socialists like Ms. Clinton.

lilly: Really?
"Raise taxes to pay for the war? Bite your tongue: tax cuts were ordered. Only a fraction of our population was directly touched by military service."

Really? I am touched by military service on nearly a daily basis. Additionally, speaking as a service academy-educated reserve officer & one the EVIL top 2% of income earners, only 50% of the population is actually touched by income taxes, i.e., the top 50% of income earners pay 96% of all income taxes. These are the PRODUCERS who have to fund the welfare industrial complex ($40T and climbing) that inordinately subsidizes the lifestyles of mostly "women-children" who think and look just like you. Nearly 60% of government spending goes to the welfare-industrial complex. Also, the DNC will soon buy themselves power in perpetuity by eliminating the ceiling on taxable Social Security income so that said PRODUCERS will also have to fund the retirements of the very same non-producers.

For someone who I gather has made few if any tangible contributions to society & who I doubt has personally paid income taxes of any substantial amount, your sense of moral indignation rings hollow. You are the reason why political franchises should only be extended to people who actually pay income taxes, not the ambulatory pathology parasite class who essentially vote themselves money by supporting socialists like Ms. Clinton.

Lilly
How about you do just a simple exercise. Google defense spending as a percentage of GDP over, say, the past hundred years, and report back to us what you find. This will be a good test of your integrity and intellectual honesty.

In defense of Lilly.
I think Lilly does have a point.

Our president DID say we could do our part in this battle against terrorism by going shopping.

Well, I did the patriotic thing. I purchased a new Toyota Tundra 4 wheel drive with the 5.7 liter engine. I struck a blow against terrorism.

Bush supporters think everything is fine, as a minisule percentage of our population makes the sacrifices.

Why raise taxes? Let future generations pay the bill. Why place more of a sacrifice of this war on a larger segment of the population?

Just let existing national guard units be deployed for 3 and 4 tours.

All is well.

I am NOT a liberal. I am not even a democrat.

But this administrationi has been a disgrace, and has illserved the American people.

It now classifies documents, preventing information to be shared with the American people, on how extensive is the corruption and fraud within the Iraqi government...how hundreds of millions if not billions of U.S. taxpayer monies have been looted from legitimate reconstruction efforts and into the pockets of corrupt officials.

As it happened with the U.N. oil for food program in Iraq, now it is happening again with U.S. tax monies to Iraq.

But, hey, I got a really cool stereo sound system in my new truck, and that 5.7 liter engine does scoot down the highway(for a truck, anyway), so everything is just great.

George
Mr. Will,I know you to be a good debater,surely you could do better than this.You are playing baseball within the lines.Everyone who understands ECONOMICS,knows what we should be doing.Yet,we have everyone debating the same set of procedures and outcomes.Forget about their incentives.The status-quo must go,if Americans are to maximize their retirement.Their is a plan,that WILL accomplish this,but no one has the COURAGE to put it forward.The working POOR,will remain just that,under Mr. Bush's plan and Mrs.Clinton's.We are living in an ECONOMY,that DIED in 2005.WHY?

Supply and demand of government
Here is an idea for conservatives.

Let the market determine what kinds of government are best.

Conservatives would do well to support two propositions which would allow the marketplace to determine what kind of government is best.

A strong global UN which ensures that no nation can interfere with the free flow of international trade and guarantees every human an equal right to enter, work, live and leave any nation, so that the market can reward those nations who's policies are in the best interest of citizens by attracting immigration and there by the benefits of population, and would punish those who's policies offer no benefit.


Government vs supply and demand
Government is one of the very few things that have an inverse relationship between supply and demand. Seemingly, the higher the price, the more of it we demand. Common stocks are another example. Rolex watches are another. It's almost as if government is the subject of momentum investing.

The correlary is that the bigger and more intrusive government is, the more power we seem willing to cede to the government.

There is very little we can do to shrink government as long as there is one party in power, but an alternative party (mistakenly called a "Third Party") is an exercise in futility.

What are we to do?

Barry

The Forgotten Middle Class
I'm part of the middle class and, personally, would love for the government to forget about me; forget about taxing me, forget about patronizing me, forget about telling me what's best for me, forget about telling what to eat and drink. All-in-all, the government can forget about me all it wants, if that means I can live my life how I would like to.

I'll take personal responsibility over a nanny-state any day.

nate
That would make you an individualist. The gov't can't have people making decisions for themselves for crying out loud.

Didn't you know that Ted Kennedy says that there is a "war against the individual." And that Hillary prefers a "we're all in it together society."

C'mon Nate, having control over your own destiny would make gov't obsolete and restrict it to the things they should be doing.

Silly man.

Nate
Please send us your home address so we can send you CARE packages. We figure it must be hard for you to get supplies since, being self-sufficient, you don't get out much. You wouldn't want to be driving on those highways built by the government, now, would you? And since you don't want to call on the police or fire department (provided by government) you must have to stay home 24/7 to protect your property. Since you're at home anyway, you may as well cook up your own medicines and cosmetics since commercial products might not be safe; without federal regulation, we will be back in 1850 when folks could sell anything they wanted to and call it a cure. And, needless to say, you will want to refuse any payments by Social Security, Workman's Compensation, Unemployment, Medicare or Medicaid, or the Veterans' Administration.

To elong
Re "there is plenty of money and always has been": Yes. I believe it is located in China.


Lilly
Shocking. You miss the point once again!

Once again you can't discern between the basic functions of gov't and gov't run amock. You won't get a person that minds paying taxes for the police or fire dept (although there isn't a police car outside my house 24/7. Apparently there is at your house) or roads and highways. Unfortunately, gov't rarely spends OUR money wisely and these entities are consistently underfunded at the expense of entitlements.

As for SS, WC, Unemployment, Medicare, or Medicaid....If I could opt out of ANY of those programs and get to keep all of the money I EARN, get me out. I'm gone. When are you lefties going to understand that I can spend MY money better and more efficiently than the gov't can?

As for the VA? that comes under national defense which is a function of gov't. Unfortunately, the power hungry morons in DC don't fund it enough either at the expense of vote pandering entitlements.

You just don't get it.

lilly
great response. "I believe it's located in China."

Yeah, good one...if you're saying that our tax dollars are going to China....you just reinforced my point. That would come under the heading of foreign aid. Something else our gov't shouldn't be involved with.

Lily
Democracy in the middle east is a worthwhile cause. Maybe we'll get less than that, but maybe the result will be an Iran, Syria and Iraq that are more benevolent (aka Egypt).

We cannot afford to have extremist dictatorships who harbor terrorists. How would you feel if you learned in the news today that Iranian scientists were close to perfecting a strain of AIDS so virulent that it could be transmitted by mosquitos? Would you feel any different about that WMD than a nuclear bomb? These guys are suicidal idiots who killed 3000 American civilians without blinking an eye. Iran is the biggest exporter of terror in the world. Sitting back and waiting for the ax to fall is something that Bill Clinton would do.

Questions for lilly:
Were you planning on financing and mailing those CARE packages you've determined Nate so desperately needs directly, or are you going to mail some extra money to the Feds to disburse to Nate? What if the Feds use Nate's CARE package money on safety inspections of Chinese imports instead? Clearly more money is needed to prevent a "return" to unsafe commercial products.

the missus clinton
unlike everyone else she claims there is no social security crisis but proposes another bribe to get herself elected. Like all wealthy people she has no concept of of daily living. Between her millions, bubba's retirement from the presidentcy and her senate goodies her real concern is making sure her wealth remains untouched. This notion of further robbing the rich to prop up the poor really has no legs. Social security was never meant to be one's total retireement although that is how the govt proposed it. Severly underfunded and then allowing people to take from the system that didn't contribute only further endangered an already overstretched govt program. But telling people that putting aside $1000. is suddenly going to fix their retirement is likewise another shell game. My wife and I put more money into ss than we do into our 401 but have many more thousands that we actually own. A great many people had better come to terms with the fact they never prepared for retirement and the govt lacks the funds to guarantee a comfortable retirement. But we have worked on our retirement plans for 30 years and made sacrifices for a comfortable retirement. Many have not done likewise and their futrure plans are not promising once they stop work.

idea?
why not pay for HillaryCare with another taxcut?

Giveaway Schemes' Long-Term Cost
The government shoveling subsidies at everyone and removing personal responsibility for any of life's difficulties has been shown to have one serious side effect-- the birth rate crashes. With taxes becoming the largest expense who wants to have kids? Not people who live in welfare states in Europe, where each new generation is half the size of the previous one. The end result of all this is societal collapse, ala the Soviet Union. Europe is teetering on the brink and we are following along closely. In this country when the Bush tax cuts expire and hit this moronic society with giant incentive-destroying tax increases at the same time that the entitlement tidal wave hits we will be in for some interesting times.

Lilly
The IRS will gladly take donations

Lilly
elong hit the nail on the head. I don't mind paying taxes for things the govenment should be involved in. But anything else is a waste of MY hard-earned money.

As far as those wonderful government highways ... have you ever been to PA? I'll pay tolls to a private company to do better work, cheaper. Not to mention the savings of not letting the money pass through a few dozen bureaucrats' hands.

About the only thing I agree with you on is not paying into the entitlement programs. I would much rather divide that money between my 401k and an emergency bond account to accomplish the same things, with better returns, especially considering the risk I will never collect from Social Security, Medicare, or Workmen's Comp.

Earth to Nick in Austin
EXTRA...EXTRA...Nationbuilding schemes a la Bush on Iraq are out.

The American people have had about all they can take of this sacrifice of our finest Americans, and the looting of our treasury and children's heritage, on chimerical and breathtakingly naive schemes to go about the globe imposing democracies.

Our bridges, highways, tunnels, electrical grid, water systems, subway systems, are in a general state of decay, some bordering on actual collapse, while we squander literally billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to improve conditions in Iraq(which more often than not end up in the pockets of corrupt Iraqi officials).

Mark my words, these notions will be soundly rejected in Nov 08. Nation building sounds great in theory(and so does communism), but we have pressing needs here at home.

Squandering our treasury, bankrupting our nation, so as to improve the lot of the peoples of this world, is a bad idea.

It is time to take care of our own.


jerabaub is right!
Nation-building by governments is a hopeless enterprise. Look at the trillions we've poured into social spending in this country; when the money hasnt ended up in the pockets of greedy entrepreneurs contracting with the social service agencies it has blighted poor communities, destroying families and the incentive to better oneself. We pay a tremendous amount of money in gasoline taxes (more in taxes than the Evil Oil Companies recieve for providing the gas) on the premise that it is to be used to maintain the infrastructure. It doesnt because the Nation-Builders are too busy subsidizing their friends and paying out gigantic sums to a growing crowd of parasites attached to the government teat.
We're fighting a war against a vicious and implacable enemy in Iraq, a fact that you ignore when you denounce the waste of the most important spending our government does.

“Share A Common Purse”
God has warned us not to listen to those who propose to share a "common purse" they control. Democrats' social welfare programs are just packaged "common purses". Americans, don't go along with Dems.

Proverbs 1:11-15 says: “If they say, ‘Come along with us; ...let’s waylay some harmless soul; ... throw in your lot with us, and we will share a common purse’ ---my son, don’t go along with them, do not set foot on their paths.”

A Sincere Question
George Will said, "A conservative case can be made for something like Clinton's proposal. It is a case for reducing the supply of government by reducing demand for it, and doing so by giving people ownership of enlarged private assets as a basis for their security. It is a case for raising the nation's deplorable saving rate and simultaneously encouraging the nation's economic literacy and temperance by giving more people a stake in equities markets."


Is it just me or is George Will getting "squishy" in his old age? A conservative case can be made for "something like Clinton's proposal"? Why is government required to compel people to save? Furthermore, why should they be compelled to save at the tax-payers expense? It almost seems self-defeating. Why not give people a $1000.00 tax-cut period. Do we need to create a government program to force us to save? What am I missing?

Logos writes: 18, 2007 11:55 AM

A Sincere Question

DESKJOCKEY WRITES

George has suffered this for years. Look you take one drink of the Potomac and the stuff starts destroying your brain.


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