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Sunday, October 07, 2007
George Will :: Townhall.com Columnist
Democrats Hit the Books
by George Will
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"Were the expense of war to be defrayed always by a revenue raised within the year ... wars would in general be more speedily concluded, and less wantonly undertaken." -- Adam Smith, "The Wealth of Nations"

WASHINGTON -- Evidence that a Democrat has read Smith's great treatise against meddlesome government is as gratifying as it is startling. But perhaps there the evidence was last week, when Wisconsin Democrat David Obey proposed a $150 billion war surtax on incomes, ranging from 2 percent to 15 percent.

Democratic leaders, leery of making their itch to raise taxes even more conspicuous, reacted to Obey's idea the way vampires react to garlic. But they are considering his proposal -- which as chairman of the Appropriations Committee he can execute -- to delay until next year action on the president's request for $190 billion supplemental funding for the war. Congressional Democrats have heard growls from their base.

Those menacing sounds were provoked by Hillary Clinton's and Barack Obama's responses, in the Sept. 26 debate, to this question: "Will you pledge that by January 2013, the end of your first term, more than five years from now, there will be no U.S. troops in Iraq?" Their dusty answers were clear enough: No and no.

Because those responses were more or less sensible, they infuriated the party's incandescent anti-war activists. Those activists thought that in the 2006 elections they had won for their party the power to end the war, but they have had to settle for increasing the minimum wage.

Surely it is not fanciful to imagine that in the fevered recesses of these activists' minds there are thoughts of running, or at least threatening to run, an independent anti-war candidate in the general election. Most political professionals discount this possibility, saying that restive Democrats learned their lesson in 2000, when Ralph Nader's 97,488 votes in Florida cost Al Gore the presidency. But another lesson of that episode is that a small number of intensely disaffected "progressives" can have momentous consequences. Hence they might have considerable leverage by threatening an insurgency.

Speaking of insurgencies, last week there were menacing rumblings from social conservatives about running an independent anti-abortion candidate if Rudy Giuliani is the Republican nominee. Perhaps if Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee, social conservatives will be terrified back into the fold, their fury assuaged by Giuliani's repeated genuflections in the form of promises regarding what such conservatives care most about -- judicial nominations.

But do not underestimate the temptation, to which the intense cohorts on Democratic left and Republican right are susceptible, to kick over their party's furniture for the fun of it. The pleasures of moral purity are available to those who fancy themselves a small church militant in an unconverted world.

The multiplication of political media has infused politics with an extraordinary volatility. For example, in 2006, when Rep. Mark Foley, the Florida Republican, was incinerated in the House page scandal, his national name recognition went from essentially zero to the high 80s in six days.

Furthermore, increased volatility is guaranteed by the fact that Republicans are defending 22 of the 34 Senate seats to be contested in 2008. At least seven of the 22 are vulnerable -- in Virginia, Maine, Minnesota, Nebraska, Colorado, Oregon and now New Mexico because of last week's announcement that Pete Domenici is retiring after six terms. None of the 12 Democratic seats is as vulnerable.

If the election were today, Democrats probably would gain at least a dozen House seats. Then in 2010 there will be the census, followed by redistricting. So if the weakness of the national Republican brand seeps down the ballot to state legislative candidates the Republicans' trek back to majority status will be steep.

Still, Republican leaders, noting that this remains a center-right country and that theirs is the center-right party, rejoice that some freshman Democrats who are not secure in their seats have had to cast awkward votes. For example, of the 61 Democrats who represent House districts that George W. Bush carried in 2004, 21 are freshmen, all of whom did organized labor's bidding by voting for the "card check" process of organizing companies, which abolishes workers' right to a secret ballot. That pleases unions but horrifies, and mobilizes, small-business owners.

The Republicans' task is to delicately remind voters that the multiplication of such legislation arises from ... well, as Adam Smith wrote: "It is not the multitude of ale-houses ... that occasions a general disposition to drunkenness among the common people; but that disposition arising from other causes necessarily gives employment to a multitude of ale-houses."

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Adam Smith
His comment regarding the cost of war is pure economics and is therefore wanting. What value is continuing existence? Subsequent generations may pay for the pusuit of a current war, but the future generations owe their viability to those who fought a war and paid with their lives and health. You weigh the value.

As a domestic example, a man may go into long term debt for property. This gives him a secure place to raise his children. Economic downturn or premature death may leave this debt to a subsequent generation to pay. It would be a son of limited soul who would bray about this obligation without ackowleging the sacrifice of his father and the benefits enjoyed by the son in his most vulnerable years.

Nuts to pay-as-go wars or taxes as a as a voting point.

i would love to see them try...
a new tax is precisely what the Democrats need to frighten away wobbling centrists, right into the arms of Republicans.

Karl Rove in all his glory couldn't architect such a landslide!

The Democrats and Adam Smith
It is not a matter of the Democrats having read Adam Smith. The Democrats are not principled. It is a matter of the Democrats knowing that the American people don't like tax increases. One reason why Reagan smashed Mondale in 1984 is that Mondale promised tax cuts, whereas Reagan talked the gospel of tax reduction. One reason why Bush the Elder lost in 1992 was that he increased taxes after promising not to do so.

Maybe a war Toll Road
The single most fundamental responsibility of the Federal Government is to "provide for the common defense." That is, maintain a standing army, and use it when needed to defend the country. Every penny being collected in tax should be first going to this purpose, and the balance apportioned to other spending needs.

But in typical government fashion, the basic taxes are squandered on non-constitutional spending, then someone says, "Hey this common defense stuff is expensive, we need more taxes!"

Kind of like in Texas where we collect highway fees from gas tax, inspection fees, registration fees, and federal funds, but...
if we want a square foot of new pavement built - We need a "Toll Road" to cover the cost. Looks like a toll road war is comming up.

But This Will Never Happen
Accusing Democrats of perhaps reading Adam Smith's stuff, or moreover, trying to follow it is a disgraceful premise -- they don't do it. Their ideas and followings better fit the writings of Marx and Engels, and Saint-Simon. George's straw man lead-in and Obey's proposal wouldn't happen. That isn't the way to get it done. Democrats use the nibble and advance approach towards socialism -- a little today and a little tomorrow. BTW, is this the same George F. Will who is number 4279 on the Council on Foreign list of members? If so, then you can probably assume that his ultimate goal is the paving of the world with free trade and the insertion of the U.S. in the middle east as a military power to help keep the peace and the trade moving.

War Tax
If my memory serves me right-wasn't our present income tax supposed to be a "temporary" tax to cover the costs of WWI?

Let's All Chime In.....
to crescent7:
Seems as if someone could put that into a song. Yep, looks as if Democrats...and those wiley Republicans could easily sing the "Toll Road War" song.....any way to get ahold of more of our money to squander for buying votes.

Revisionism of Recent History
When a writer says that the 2006 election was won by Democrats because of the Iraq war, that writer loses credibility. In exit polls from swing districts all over the country, the result was that the primary reason for the election of a freshman Democrat was corruption among the Republicans.

The second most significant reason was excessive spending by Congress. Without Bush's failure to veto a spending bill, this would not have been relevant. He didn't and it was.

The secret to Democratic success in the 2006 election was that they ran as conservative Democrats. Individual candidates -- in districts that changed from Republican to Democrat -- often sounded as if they were as conservative as their Republican opponents. The reality was not relevant, because they seldom had track records to which voters could compare their words.

The Iraq war was third among reasons for voting Democratic in the last election. Any article about the Iraq war or politics that fails to acknowledge this is leading with a false premise. When writers mis-state history to make a point, it would appear that their point is not worth making.

Re: Revisionism of Plato
Not to vehemnetly disagree because you make a good point, but to revise "history," wouldn't it be more cogent to say Reublican voters didn't vote for Repub's as much as they refused to vote at all for a party that abandoned the ideals that put them in power? I do hope the silent majority this time realizes that abstinence--in this election--will result in the unwanted offspring of a Jimmy Carter-like mutant. And swing voters must realize that a vote for a Democrat empowers the MoveOn.orgs, the Daily Kos, Media Matters, Code pink. et.al., in the frenzy of shooting first then asking the questions and rejecting the truth and does not provide stability and thoughtfulness to the political landscape.

Why
"Their dusty answers were clear enough: No and no."

What tidbits do you suppose Bush shared with Obama and Hillary to get them backtracking on their commitments to pull out of Iraq immediately? It had to be big.

Something happened. Something we haven't heard about. Somehow he demonstrated, unequivically, that without a military presence in the mideast, our nation's economy would be in grave danger. It obviously involves oil - either production or the sovereignty of one of the big producers, but it had to be big enough to get their attention.

We need to know what it is and use it in the upcoming election. Americans need to know about this when they make their decision on "Bush's War."

a "War" tax
I advocated such a tax in the beginnings of our overseas prosecutions of "the war on terror"; it made sense then to not further the burden on an alredy over-extended line of national credit, AND it would have made the war a bit more real to ALL Americans. We would ALL own a personal share of the costs we could understand.
In the beginning, this tax was very possible and would have been patriotically embraced by "the people."
Customary defense spending would have remained a part and parcel of the standard Federal budget, but all of these "supplementals" for Iraq and Afghanistan would not have increased our national debt.
As there existed a personal stake to Americans, discussion would have been joined earlier on "strategies and tactics", as well as, results. We could well find ourselves, and the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, better off in our common situations than we are.
That being said, it is too late for the tax now' it is another "hada, coulda, shoulda, woulda". We are where we are, and we must finish the job we started; there is no other honorable, viable, course of action.

War Tax?
Hey wait a minute. War tax? On whom? About 75% (maybe higher) of the public doesn't pay federal income taxes anyway. That only leaves the upper percentile of tax payers to foot the Demobill anyway. This is nothing more than a backdoor tax increase on the 'evil rich' and I do not for one minute believe any revenues so raised would go to pay for a war this tax's very sponsors loathe and abhor. Wait a joke.

George old boy, call this out for what it really is. A general federal tax increase. Period.

Just more (class) tax war-fare
Only the incredibly naïve could believe that a "war tax" would "pay for" the war. No matter what the tax is on, and worse than anything else, on income, that thing contracts, leaving less total tax revenue.

The Laffer curve shows us that income tax rates are too high as they are (and I won't go into the serious problem of reducing the tax base by exempting so many from the bite), and that lowering them even more would increase federal revenue.

If you think of the Laffer Curve as an inverted "U", with the rate (percentage) along the "X" axis and the total revenue along the "Y" axis, you will note that for any level of revenue, there are 2 rates that will produce it. Because we have empirical proof that lowering rates increases revenue, we must be on the right-hand limb of the curve.

Reducing rates even more would increase revenue yet again. That's how we "pay for" this war.

During war, the most important thing economically is to out produce your opponent. If you take a stupid path that reduces your production, you cannot achieve your best on the battle field. You won't have enough body armor, enough MRAPs, enough recon satellites, enough bullets (we're running low, you know).

If we want to "pay for the war", the best "war tax" would be a tax rate reduction. And the best mechanism to address this would be to increase the taxpayer base by extorting the same rate from all people, say about 5%.

But liberals willingly ignore the Laffer Curve because it doesn't retaliate against the wealthy--a principle point to the income tax, revenue is purely secondary.

Government has no more business
running schools than it had running
churches--and for the same reasons.

Le
==
Please visit http://www.schoolandstate.org

War tax
Its about time that the American public is called to both support the war effort with not only their actions but with their money also. Remember that only 1% of the population is actively engagded in this war. The rest of you are fat and sassy whatching the latest Hollywood scandle or rushing to the mall to buy the latest gadget. It sickens me to hear people gripe about a war tax to help provide for the troops when they can not even have the intellegent thought to realize the fact that their petty little lives would be forever done for, and the life style that these spoiled selfish and ignorent brats who cry about such a tax would be forever lost if the Army is withdrawn and the war is effectivly lost because of it. Your anti war traitors may get exactly what you want, but then you will most definatly get what you have not in your wildest nightmares ever experianced. So go ahead and play your nintendos and sit in your favorite Lazy-boy and watch your favorite reality TV show, but you had better pray that the powers that be do not underfund the Soldiers on the front or withdraw any support for our efforts or your petty little lives will be forever changed for the worse.

A War Tax is Counterproductive
"It sickens me to hear people gripe about a war tax to help provide for the troops when they can not even have the intellegent thought to realize the fact that their petty little lives would be forever done for, and the life style that these spoiled selfish and ignorent brats who cry about such a tax would be forever lost if the Army is withdrawn and the war is effectivly lost because of it."

Doncha just love a well controlled sentence?

Frankly, I was unable to determine which side of the fence you're on, if either.

As I noted above, a war tax will not do anything to improve the lot of soldiers in the field. It can't because it will reduce, first the total revenue of the government, and second, the amount of war materiel for those troops.

The second is only partially based on the first. Obviously, if the government has less money, it cannot buy as much. (Well, not so obviously, because governments borrow a lot.)

**WARNING: Gross simplification follows**

It's also because there will be fewer people willing to work for what is less money due to higher tax rates, and fewer people who will be willing to risk their money to invest in plant and equipment to make the stuff in the first place, also due to lower returns on investment via higher tax rates.

What we need to do is curtail government spending on the fluff and drivel of welfare, schools, medical care, and other non-effective government interventions and intrusions into private matters and choices. Then we could reduce actual taxes, not just rates, and still have ample to wage the war on terror.

Government was a terrible preacher.
It is no better a teacher.
We excommunicated it in the XIX--
we must expel it in the XXI.

Le
==
Please visit http://www.schoolandstate.org

Robert
I apologize to everyone for going off topic, but Robert you made some interesting statements about the APQ-13 and I would like to discuss them further, but think it really should be off the board. Contact me at clavol@aol.com for an address to contact you directly.

Perfectly elegant solutions
If Republicans had to pay out of pocket for this war, it would end tomorrow - no doubt. Just as it would end if every Republican were drafted to fight it. Both are perfectly elegant solutions to Bush's debacle and should be administered immediately.

I have the perfect solution.
Don't work. Don't pay for anything. When they order you into the rail car for your trip to the death camp, don't go.

Famous last words:
1. That's not going to happen.
2. This isn't happening.
3. I'm dead, I know it is better not to be dead.

One last (not really) thought. If my great grandchildren will pay for this war, it requires that we win. If my great grandchildren pay for this war, we must have lost. You get to chose the form of payment to be made by my great grandchildren.

Adding to LS
Nice job, LS. You beat me to it. I would add / emphasize, however, that President Bush already made his push to provide funding for the war by forcing through the several tax rate reductions in 2003 and 2004(?). Our rates are lower. The government's revenues are higher. The economy is continuing to create jobs. I keep more of my money, myownselfs.

I think that is four wins without any of the suffering a tax rate increase would have wrought.

The only loss is the one I am at seeing the Republicans consistently failing to TRUMPET THIS RESULT FROM EVERY ROOFTOP. What is wrong with these guys? Don't they want to win?

Mayas:

I am an American. I am not fat, lazy, stupid, spoiled, ignorant, petty, gadget-obsessed, or scandal-gripped. I am, however, La-Z-Boy equipped, and proud of it. Mighty nice chair. American-made, don'cha know.

I have lived or worked in South Korea, Singapore, Malaysia, Abu Dhabi, Nigeria, Equatorial, Mexico, and most of Western Europe, and those people aren't any of them any better than us. Not smarter, not wiser, not tougher, not harder-working, not better looking.

I understand your passion, but Americans are mostly good folks, not bad ones. I get tired of seeing us all get run down.

Troll Feeder
Fed monetary policies and tolerance of sub prime lending produced housing inflation which put trillions into the hands of consumers who borrowed the money and spent it. Tax cuts accounted for only a small % of that amount.

Which do you think had the greater impact on keeping the economy from tanking?

Tax cuts are fine. However, just as with Reagan, the failure to reduce and control spending led to large deficits. Those deficits were funded by International Bankers and Foreign governments. Since Reagan was elected, we've become a debtor nation to foreign governments.

The issue is and will always be that Americans like both tax cuts and spending. Republicans cut taxes, keep or raise spending, fund the difference with deficits, and borrow the money from foreign governments and bankers. Democrats like spending, but pay for it with taxes - which, when the people go along with ever increased spending, then then demand they pay for with higher taxes.

It's a fools game on both sides of the equation. Neither works.

Taxes
Subsidies to dead farmers
minor league baseball stadiums
various museums and halls of fame
federal funding of the arts
NASA
subsidies to companies in PA that have no proof they even exist (thank you congressman Murtha)
Subsidies to living farmers. Ethanol is a mighty fine racket right now.

THERE'S PLENTY OF MONEY FOLKS. WE DON'T NEED MORE MONEY. Something tells me that if this were actually Congress's OWN money and not ours, they'd figure out a way to prioritize just a little better.


Eben
Apples and oranges.

Monetary policy is properly used to moderate inflation. There is no story there.

We have weathered 9/11 Worldcom, Enron, Tyco, Afghanistan Iraq, Wilma, Ivan, Floyd, Katrina Rita, the subprime crash, $70 per bbl oil, and I don't recall what all else over the last seven years and are still running strong. The reduction in tax rates did pump "free" money into the economy and has been a great influence on our prosperity.

You note that we are still generally doing well even with the failure of businesses foolish enough to lend many times annual income to people who had bad credit to begin with. Remove most of the government regulation, and the market will eventually discover the policies that produce the most and safest returns on investment. This is because the bad ideas and their supporters will fail.

I fully agree that many of the expenditures the Fed makes with our dollars are a crying shame.

How the money is spent, however, is an entirely separate issue from how it is raised, and raising money is the issue I was discussing.

Can't wait to see
... all the anti-war people whine about paying taxes to support something they don't agree with or believe in.

As if pro-lifers haven't been compelled to do the same for years.

Tax Cuts Paid For War
Since 2004, tax revenues have increased on average $180 billion than was previously forecasted. That is, the Feds have collected an additional $540 billion tax dollars since the taxes were cut. This year's tax reciepts will be almost $300 billion more than those in 2002-2003.

Too bad Congress spent every last nickle of it.
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