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Thursday, September 13, 2007
George Will :: Townhall.com Columnist
Is Fred necessary?
by George Will
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WASHINGTON -- Fred Thompson's plunge into the presidential pool -- more bellyflop than swan dive -- was the strangest product launch since that of New Coke in 1985. Then the question was: Is this product necessary? A similar question stumped Thompson the day he plunged.

Sean Hannity, who is no Torquemada conducting inquisitions of conservatives, asked Thompson: "When you look at the other current crop of candidates -- Republicans -- where is the distinction between your positions and what you view as theirs?" Thompson replied: "Well, to tell you the truth, I haven't spent a whole lot of time going into the details of their positions."

He also is unfamiliar with the details of his own positions. Consider his confusion the next day when talk radio host Laura Ingraham asked him about something he ardently supported -- the McCain-Feingold expansion of government regulation of political speech. His rambling, incoherent explanation was just clear enough to be alarming about what he believes, misremembers and does not know.

Thompson said he had advocated McCain-Feingold to prevent, among other things, corporations and labor unions from "giving large sums of money to individual politicians." But corporate and union contributions to individual candidates were outlawed in 1907 and 1947, respectively.

Ingraham asked about McCain-Feingold's ban on issue ads that mention a candidate close to an election. He blamed an unidentified "they" who "added on" that provision, which he implied was a hitherto undiscussed surprise. But surely he knows that bills containing the ban had been introduced in previous sessions of Congress before passage in 2002.

In 1997, Thompson chaired a Senate committee investigating 1996 election spending. In its final report, issued in 1998, Thompson's committee recommended a statutory "restriction on issue advocacy" during "a set period prior to an election" when the speech includes "any use of a candidate's name or image." And in 1999, Thompson co-sponsored legislation containing what became, in 2002, the McCain-Feingold blackout periods imposed on any television or radio ad that "refers to" a candidate for federal office -- a portion of which the Supreme Court in June declared unconstitutional.

Thompson, contrary to his current memories, was deeply involved in expanding government restrictions on political speech generally and the ban on issue ads specifically. Yet he told Ingraham "I voted for all of it," meaning McCain-Feingold, but said "I don't support that" provision of it.

Oh? Why, then, did he file his own brief urging the Supreme Court to uphold McCain-Feingold, stressing Congress' especially "compelling interest" in squelching issue ads that "influence" elections?

Most lamely, Thompson takes credit for McCain-Feingold doubling the amount of "hard money" an individual can give to a candidate, which he says reduces the advantages of incumbency. But that is absurd: Most hard money flows to incumbents.

Ingraham asked why government should be telling individuals how much they can give to fund political speech by candidates they support. Thompson replied: "Why should the government ... tell a loan officer that he cannot accept money from someone trying to get a loan from him ... and then go ahead and give that person a loan? ... I mean, it's bribery in the real world."

So he believes, as zealous regulators of political speech do, that political contributions are incipient bribes -- but that bribery begins with contributions larger than $2,300. Which brings us to the financial implausibility of his late-starting campaign.

Suppose he does something unprecedented -- gets 100 people a day, from now until Jan. 1, to contribute the permitted maximum of $2,300. After subtracting normal fundraising costs and campaign overhead, he would still enter 2008 vulnerable to being outspent at least three-to-one by his major rivals.

Is there, however, a huge cash value in the role for which he is auditioning -- darling of religious conservatives? Perhaps. But their aspiring darling recently said in South Carolina, "I attend church when I'm in Tennessee. I'm in McLean right now. I don't attend regularly when I'm up there."

"Right now"? He has been living "up there" in that upscale inside-the-Beltway Washington suburb, honing his "Aw, shucks, I'm just an ol' Washington outsider" act, for years. Long enough to have noticed that McLean is planted thick with churches. Going to church is, of course, optional -- unless you are aiming to fill some supposed piety void in the Republican field.

New Coke was announced on April 23, 1985, with the company's president piling on adjectives usually reserved for Lafite Rothschild -- "smoother, rounder yet bolder." Almost 80 days later, the public having sampled it, the company pulled the product from stores. Perhaps Thompson's candidacy will last longer than New Coke did.

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Fred?
George mentions some disturbing things in this article. Is it because FDT is not a member of the old Republican's club and Mr. Will doesn't like disruptions to his pat world of known quantities?

Fred has admitted that all of that
McShame business was a mistake. When are you going to admit you are a liberal trying to sound like a conservative? The title of your column is "Is Fred necessary?". I’m sure he is not when he takes away votes from your favorite liberal RINO candidate. Tell me George, are you a RINO Rudy fan? Are you a closet liberal Republican from MA who favors national healthcare?

Well George, Fred is the ONLY top tier candidate who has opposed AGW, unfettered illegal migration, gun control, and general excessive government spending. Yes he is necessary.

Mr. Will, like a rock!
hear, hear!

Vic: right on cue
Vic writes: "When are you going to admit you are a liberal trying to sound like a conservative? "

Yesterday I predicted that it wouldn't take long before die-hard conservatives started smearing George Will as an alleged "liberal." That's how any conservative who has iconoclastic or maverick views is treated. And I was right; here comes Vic, right on cue.

You can be a conservative for 20 or 30 years, like George Will, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, John McCain, or yours truly. But the moment you start to deviate from today's litmus tests and think independently rather than spouting the party line, then hey presto! You must be a "LIBERAL". Horrors!

All conservatives are doing with such rhetoric is making it seem like only "liberals" think for themselves while conservatives all get their marching orders from one central source.


SteveL
If you had half a brain you would have seen that we have been hitting George Will for some time now. Go back to sleep and dream your liberal dreams, we are tired of RINOs and posers who come here and say they are conservative but post liberal in every comment.

Will doesn't offer alternatives ...

While George Will may not be impressed with Thompson he has failed to endorse another candidate that better defines his definition of conservative.

Personally, looking at the other Republican candidates, Thompson seems the most reasonable at this time in contrast to the other leading RINO's.

Looks like Fred is out of the club
This is the third hit piece on Thompson that I've seen on Townhall. First it was Limbaugh, then Morris, now Will.

BTW, Vic. You're right. This isn't the first time I've seen Will get called for going off the reservation. Looks like SnitchL's whole premise was flawed.

Sen. Thompson: Debate the issues!
Sen. Thompson: This "values voter" believes that your position that abortion is a “states' rights issue” is a misapplication of Federalism. Unlike "gay marriage" which the Constitution does not currently speak to, abortion is by the Constitution a Federal issue already. By the 5th and 14th Amendments, no person shall be deprived of life without due process of law. This applies to all persons including the unborn. Exasperating my disappointment in your position on abortion were your comments on September 10 regarding Osama bin Laden. I fail to see how you can suggest that the prince of terrorists should receive “due process” upon capture, but you would withhold the Federal guarantee of due process from unborn American babies.

For this reason and to get to know you better, I had hoped that you would make good on your preference for Lincoln/Douglas-style debates and accept Governor Huckabee’s invitation to a gentlemanly exchange. It would have been a perfect opportunity to inform me and millions of prospective supporters why your positions on abortion and other issues are reasonable and why you deserve our vote for the Republican nomination. You have up till now expressed contempt for the primary debates because nine Republican candidates at a debate are too many, and now you have declined Governor Huckabee’s invitation because only two Republican candidates at a debate are too few. Would you mind telling us then the number of candidates that should be in a primary debate in order for you to participate? For one to think that he can skate through to prime time with Hillary without having proven his ideas in intra-party debates is to set the Republican party up for failure should he be lucky enough to receive its nomination.

Fred is an idiot
please feel free to check out the complete explanation in "three boobs" at moronpolitics dot com. Puh-leeze Fred, go home to Wilma.

Will is not a lib...
Nor is he a real conservative. He's just a dried-up beltway journalist who's had to much of that DC water (and so-called conventional wisdom). It's a shame, too, as he's a talented writer and hails from my area originally.

Will doesn't have to offer alternatives
Gangus:

It isn't George Will's job to offer alternatives. He is simply pointing out something that should be of great concern to any true conservative--the attempt to limit free speech through legislation. The truth is, I kind of like Thompson, but it's also true that he's a bit short on specifics. I'm willing to cut him some slack seeing that he's just announced his candidacy, but now that he is a candidate he'd better be able to define his position on the whole range of issues, and he'd better be able to demonstrate that he really is a conservative.

candidate
Sounds like Will wishes we had another candidate like "it's his turn Dole". No, Fred is not the perfect candidate, but who is? Let's face reality, Huckabee and Thompson are the only electable conservatives we have running, the northeast liberal elite Republicans are behind Giuliani, just as they backed Ford over Reagan years ago.

Will is Will
He's the same conservative he's always been. What's changed is the definition of conservative. I prefer the traditional definition, the one that puts principle before party.

Thompson says he's believes in federalism and that these acts of federalization were mistakes. OK, I'll keep listening with an open mind.

is Fred necessary?
In one word ..... yes!

Vic
Perhaps you and Gangus Neokahn should talk.

One of you complains that he doesn't like Thompson because he's not one of Mr. will's favorite RINO's and the other complains that he hasn't offered an alternative.

Bipsy Quee
I don't see what your point is. Will by default is offering alternatives. When he disparages Fred without naming his choice he is offering the other two of the top three. BOTH of those are liberal RINOs. As I told SteveL earlier this morning Will has been moving to the left for a while now and we have been hitting him on it. I suspect that his long affiliation with ABC News has affected his politics.

BTW, I am a Fred supporter, not a complainer.

Darn right he's necessary and right
MANY Military Veterans are signing up for Fred at:

http://Vets4Fred.net

They are saying things like "I would follow this guy into the Gates of Hell if he needed me. Go Fred!...."

That's a horrible headline:
No candidate is necessary; some are simple preferred over others. So George Will’s headline is really meaningless. Looking at the Republican field, none of the candidates is perfect. No one really is. Truth be told, I’m not even perfect. (Self-deprecating grin)

Support for McCain-Feingold is a negative for me, but the primary drivers of that piece of legislation are the names on the bill. That makes McCain more objectionable than Thompson.

The bottom line is really broader than any single candidate. We have two parties running for control of the country. One is the home of those who want to win the war against Islamofascism, and the other is the party that wants to lose. That is the real choice. Pretty much everything else is a detail.

And by the way, George Will describes himself not as a conservative but as a Whig.

Vic
You say "Will has been moving to the left for a while now and we have been hitting him on it."

Conservatism stands, at least used to, for federalism and against federalization, iow, limited government. Will stands for federalism. Fred says he does, but Will points out his actions have supported federalization. Fred says he was mistaken.

I'm curious, where do you see Will moving left toward supporting federalization? Or is there something else the "it" in "we have been hitting him on it" means?

George Will is a Whig?
The Whigs were the left-wing party in England at one time, weren't they? Tories were the conservatives.

Anyway, Moneyrunner is correct -- no candidate is necessary but each one has slightly different positions and so offers something unique.

lonestarblues
The last thing that Will did that was really conservative was to support Reagan. Since then he has sided with liberals more than he has sided with conservatives. Perhaps it is time to do a sample of his columns once again. In this column he has come out negative on Fred, who I believe is a real conservative. Although he doesn't give who he does support, if he is negative on Fred it would lead one to believe he is for one of the other top three who are both liberals.

If you consider him to be conservative, what leads you to that position?

Fred, the Fraud
Mr. Will is a great writer. In this instance, he brought out facts that we conservatives need to look at. I did not realize these several things about Fred. The balleyhoo rah rah rah was so incessant, his real credentials that show a background of non-religious, liberal positions have been hidden---at least from me. I appreciate knowing what kind of leader we are being asked to support.

Give me a man who walks the walk, takes a stand and keeps it. When he's wrong, he admits it and then stands firm on his new position; he doesn't hem-haw around saying he's hazy on the subject and makes insipid excuses for supporting unpopular positions in the past. That's a politician. We need a statesman; someone that will be principle based.

I like Duncan Hunter. I really like Mitt Romney who has proven he can get things done like lower taxes, solve nearly unsolvable problems, and change the course of large enterprises. This is what we need.

For me, Fred is a fraud---an attempt to keep true winnable leadership from emerging out of the Republican camp. An ideal ticket would be Romney/Hunter.

Vic
"If you consider him to be conservative, what leads you to that position?"

His principles, not his party loyalty or voting as you might. I would review his columns on Reagan and determine on what principles he supported Reagan--are they conservative, or not. Just as I look at this article and ask why he questions Fred, and that is by the conservative principle of federalism. The question raised is whether Fred is conservative enough, and what we have are Fred's words and actions.

Thanks, George Will
for a very funny but true look at the "best thing since sliced bread" to join the Republicans. You echo my thoughts exactly.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com

No perfect candidate, but
No, Thompson's not perfect. Yes, I'm concerned about his attempts to limit individual free speech but, lo and behold, the Constitutional balance of powers has restored the speech unconstitutionally banned by McCain-Feingold. And yes, I want FDT to clearly state how he will balance lobbying firms' access with that of other Americans.

But on the whole, a dangerous political term if ever there was one, Freddy T is a strong conservative. He's for being proactive in the WWOT, voted according to federalist principles on numerous occasions in Senate (see http://www.volokh.com/posts/1177380168.shtml), is pro-life, and pro-growth.

And, contra Mr. Will, Thompson's already gaining on and in one case has overtaken Rudy in the polls, in spite of all the talk of not enough time, not enough cash.

And another thing...
Contra some posters, do you honestly believe that Ron Paul on any ticket or a Romney/Hunter ticket has a snowball's chance in the land of the hanging chad of winning the general election? We must nominate the most conservative candidate that will win the general, i.e., not Giuliani, not Romney, not McCain, not Hunter, not Tancredo, not Paul, maybe Huckabee.

Going after the messenger
Rather than the message. A lot of Fredheads just have their eyes and ears closed - (kind of like the Paul supporters too.) You beat up on anyone saying anything bad about Fred. How about acknowledging some Fred facts.

McCain-Feingold should kill his candidacy from the get go. He was so much a part of McCain-Feingold that he wanted it to be called McCain-Feingold-Thompson. He was a key ingredient in getting it passed. Now he conveniently tries to back away from it. Uh - no, not so fast. It was the only thing he actually fought for as a senator. He did not champion ONE conservative cause.

He won't answer questions because he has no answers. He wants to run strictly on personality. He's fun to listen to but he never says anything! "Well, you know, um, I, still have a lot of work to do. . ." It must be disappointing to you Fredheads that after 6 long months he doesn't have even ONE policy position he can articulate? Makes me wonder what in the heck has he been thinking about all that time?

In reality, Fred is no more conservative than Guiliani or Romney. Add to that the fact that he trails in organization, leadership skills, past success, and fundraising. Why would we put our trust in him over the others who are working harder?




Hunter Wins Texas Straw Poll
If we wish to keep our representative Republic, we must elect a President who will secure the borders and enforce the laws. The actions of the next President will determine the fate of this great nation. Texans have been on the front line of this inundation and understand its consequences. They know that Duncan Hunter is the one man who can be trusted to do what needs to be done.

The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.

http://www.gohunter08.

George Will’s previous 5 columns
9/11 - sided with Dems on Iraq - liberal
9/9 - sided with Dems on Iraq - liberal
9/6 - Rambling article that blames Ford’s problems on it’s cars as Ford tries to get relief from crippling Union contracts on Health Care and retirement. - liberal
9/3 - Rambling article that references WWII as a time when "war was the answer". There doesn’t appear to be a point unless it is to hector Europeans. - Neutral
8/30 - Anti-France article on French socialism - conservative

Score 3 liberal, 1 neutral, 1 conservative

Will has supported
For those who have forgotten, I would note that it appears Mr. Will has a soft spot for Mr. Romney. As far back as December 2004, Mr. Will was writing columns about the merits of Mr. Romney as a candidate (see "The lone Republican", in this website's archives). Since then, I've been watching Mr. Romney and been highly intrigued. Mr. Will seems to share this view.

As a conservative (not whatever that word has been changed to mean), I have to admit there is something to Mr. Romney. If nothing else, he looks presidential. Mr. Guiliani may be the only other legitimate hope for the Republicans. I'm just not sure what Mr. Thompson brings to the table, except a bit of conversation.

Will is the true conservative here.
Will was the sole prominent voice standing steadfastly against campaign finance "reform", once that traitor and fool W decided he was for it after all. This is Will's pet conservative issue, and no doubt he has been keeping an "enemies list" on it for some time. It's no secret that Will will tear into ANYONE who supported McCain-Feingold or any of its positions, and has hated the President since the day he signed it into law. This is just a continuation of that process. Anyone who thinks Will is just trying to find a reason to not like Thompson is all wet. Of everything being written by pundits today, the MOST sincere is anything Will says against someone who was pro McCain-Feingold.

Mr Will...
has an amazing grasp of the obvious.

No need to tell most republicans that Fred is not much more then media hype.

The interesting thing now is who will be the VP candidate. I'm willing to bet he or she will be more competent than the standard bearer.

Thompson could win
There are a lot of questions to be asked of all the candidates. In my mind, no one has given a real answer on any of their position accept to critisize the other guy's position. (or George Bush directly). Of all the candidates on the republican side that can beat Hilary, Fred Thompson is the one. If he does a couple of things right. 1: Don't be afraid of your record or how others would critisize it. Stand on them.
2: Do not give dodgeball answers to tough questions. We (voters) don't need a list from anyone of what's wrong. We already know that. We need to know how you are going to fix it. If he can do that, He will win.

LuckyRock2
"Contra some posters, do you honestly believe that Ron Paul on any ticket or a Romney/Hunter ticket has a snowball's chance in the land of the hanging chad of winning the general election?"

Actually, yes. Ron Paul. The Republican nomination is the hard part. The general election is the easy part.

Think about it like this. The Republican Party has lost a great many people in recent years, so to win the general election, they absolutely must be able to attract independent voters and ones from other Parties.

Do you honestly believe for one minute that people are going to cross the aisle to vote for a Republican who is a warmonger, who is willing to break the Christian Doctrine of Just War and preemptively nuke a country that has not attacked us, nor poses an imminent threat. Nor, will they vote for any guantanamo-doubling, habeas corpus stealing, illegal wiretapping, Constitution-burning, BIG government totalitarian.

Those are the facts. Ignore them, and we will end up with Hillary or Obama.

Is George Will necessary?
Is George Will necessary? I really don't know how you acquired the reputation that you seem to possess. It seems to be somewhat similar to the way in which present day abstract or "Modern Artists" gain fame and fortune. The route is to curry favor and friendship with someone in a position to advance you as having talent.

Once the foot is in the door, sheer inertia keeps the artist, columnist or politician in vogue. Your intellect is so lacking that only knowing the right people can keep your tripe in print.

Your column on Thompson is a hit job on the order of Paul Krugman or Frank Rich. I very seldom bother reading your column but the title of this one did catch my attention which of course was the intent of the title.

Yes, George, Fred is necessary but pompous, egotistical gasbags such as you certainly are not.

Donald, Green Valley, AZ

Hmm...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/daily_presidential_tracking_poll__1

Yesterday's Rasmussen daily presidential tracking poll. Fred is the top choice among Likely Republican Primary Voters at 28%, Rudy is only at 20%. Then McCain, then Romney, then Huckabee at 6%.

And Rasmussen isn't one of those hokey "vote as many times as you can click the button and get all your buddies to do the same" internet polls that made Ron Paul look artificially viable as a candidate.

I don't know, Will, looks to me like GOP Primary voters think Fred is necessary. Fred officially announced just 7 days ago and Rasmussen, at least, has him as the frontrunner.

And McCain, too,
I have a great deal of admiration for John McCain, a true American and a good man. I cannot support him for President though, simply because of McCain-Feingold.

I am not sure who Fred Thompson really is or what he stands for--maybe we'll find out eventually--but if I step away from McC on account of his willingness to restrict the exact free speech the founders sought to protect, there is no way I am going to get excited about Fred.

Torquemada conducting inquisitions ????
How many folks know what Torquemada means? Get out the dictionary.

Yes Fred Thompson is very necessary!
Yes Yes Yes- Fred Thompson is very necessary because of people like you George Will!

Move to out of the NE
George Will needs to move out of the Northeast and live some place where there are real people.

Crash and Burn
Fred crashed long before he even announced. Spencer Abraham, anyone? An open-borders supporter and jihadi apologist. That blunder exposed Fred's cluelessness. No thank you. I will not vote for another idiot or RINO.

Electability
I am surprised by the people who say Duncan Hunter is not electable or a "top tier" candidate and therefore they are supporting Thompson. Fred just got his clock cleaned by Hunter in one of the biggest states in the USA. Hunter didn't just squeak by Thompson in Texas. He beat him by over 2 to 1 even with all the publicity Thompson got for entering the race the week of the voting.

Hunter also finished tied for first in the Spartanburg County, SC straw poll. I think he would have won Iowa if the voting took place after the speeches instead of before.

Hunter has proven he is electable. Anyone who says otherwise has bought into a lie.

TCGOP - I agree
What we need is Hunter/Thompson debate. Poor Fred - no wonder he won't participate in any debate.

Don't be fooled again
I remember researching Thompson's political opinions 5 years ago when he was Senator. He was just a little bit right of center and no top-tier Senator (although he was well-respected). Now his image has been remade to be some sort of Reagan Conservative. I remember in 2000 Bush was portrayed that way. Don't be fooled again, conservatives.

Eating there own
This article along with the others I read has the intention to torpedo Thompson's bid. Now I hear what they are saying but Thompson seems to have one thing the other contenders dont have. Thats some charisma with I believe is essential to gathering the votes. The current crop of front runners ALL have warts. Some worse than others. I voted for Bush twice but was never happy about it. At best he's middle of the road. If the rebupicans (if thats what they are) want to win they need to define themselves in a positive way and do that against the democratic baseline. For the party movers and shakers to attack Fred out of the gate makes me very uneasy about their motives. The rebublicans, in my opinion, lost big in 2006 because they lost their way, got fat dumb and happy, and looked just like their democratic opponents. BTW they could also use a testosterone injection.

Sorry for all the typo's
its what happens when you get old and tired

By George, George has a point!
I think George Will is a good columnist.

I agree with Fred Thompson on some hot button issues...gun control and immigration, to the extent he has commented upon them.

But if Thompson is not able to be mentally adroit, then: "Houston, you Fredheads have a problem".

Let's be honest...Laura Ingraham is sympathetic to conservative candidates and if even her softball questions to Thompson on his support of McCain Feingold left the former senator in a state of incoherence and confusion, imagine what a real television debate could do?

In addition, whether it be Thompson or any other GOP candidate, "apeing" the Bush line on Iraq is not going to attract independents to the GOP(that does not mean I favor an immediate withdrawal). Independents were the reason the GOP lost in 2006.

"Apeing" the Bush line is like trying to make a silk purse from a sow's ear. Even if Americans don't want an immediate withdrawal, they don't have any confidence that Bush knows what is going on there.

SteveL

"You can be a conservative for 20 or 30 years, like George Will, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, John McCain, or yours truly. But the moment you start to deviate from today's litmus tests and think independently rather than spouting the party line, then hey presto! You must be a "LIBERAL". Horrors!"


Those are the comments of SteveL. And to that I say: he has a point. Some people on townhall.com remind me of the moveon.org/daily kos crowd in that any deviation in ideology is not met with kind words at all. For example, many hard core liberals portray the DLC as some right wing organization because they aren't liberal enough for their liking. It is the same thing here. Will is conservative, but he doesn't always say what other conservatives want to hear so he is called a liberal. In this article, Will criticizes Thompson for being liberal on campaign funds. That is a legitimate criticism. I think it is evidence that Thompson isn't a Reagan conservative like some hope he is.

Vic
Still looking for conservative principles by which to judge Will, and for that matter Thompson.

jerabaub
"Let's be honest...Laura Ingraham is sympathetic to conservative candidates and if even her softball questions to Thompson on his support of McCain Feingold left the former senator in a state of incoherence and confusion, imagine what a real television debate could do?"

Not only that, if Thompson can't handle Ingraham's questioning very well, what do you think the Clintons will do to him? They'll destroy him!


I've been looking into every candidate
and thus far Fred does not inspire me or impress me.

I like him as a person. I think he is entertaining as an actor. But there is nothing inspiring about him.

Why is inspiration so important?

Well after 6+ years of George Bush letting the Liberals and moderate Republicans walk all over him, and his not taking a real stand on any of the important issues (except that stand he took in favor of amnesty that "wasn't amnesty") I want a leader who will not only support traditional conservative ideals but take a stand against those who try to lie or mislead the public.

Thus far Fred has a lot of work to do to show me why he deserves my vote, and not a lot of time to do it. Given the short primary race he has ahead of him it makes it hard for people like me who want to learn where he stands and if he has the skills to inspire when he;

Skips the NH debate, then says he prefers the Lincoln-Douglas style debate, then turns down offers to have Lincoln-Douglas style debates, and then declines an opportunity to discuss the issues at the Values Voter Debate next week in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

George Will
Thanks for an outstanding article. I suprised you got it past the TH censors. A long overdue initial examination of a canidate no one knows anything about. Alas, the full truth will only be uncovered during the autopsy.

hagar
You believe that Thompson has charisma?

You also think Bush is a moderate? Did you really say that? I don't think any political scientist would say that. He is a conservative, just not a hard-core one:

http://www.ontheissues.org/George_W__Bush.htm

Manx you said
Not only that, if Thompson can't handle Ingraham's questioning very well, what do you think the Clintons will do to him? They'll destroy him!

Which may be true. But dont you think its time Hillary had to answer some hard questions? I have listened to her and it seems obsfucation is the hallmark of lawyers. I will vote for whichever candidate put the good of the country ahead of a party or an elective office (yeah I am dreaming) For me that means strong on fighting terrorists whereever they are, protecting the borders (close them down first). Fighting an offesive war against terror most of the defensive measures I have seen are costly and not effective. Then in general smaller government (you get that by giving them less). No candidate that I have seen so far addresses all my concerns with the priority that I agree with however if they can address the first two I can vote for them.

to jerabaub
In your 10:21am post you brought up Iraq. That is another reason to support Duncan Hunter. Not only is he a Vietnam veteran, but his son has done two tours in Iraq. That brings him immediate credibility on the issue.

http://www.gohunter08.com

Christopher Parisho
"Well after 6+ years of George Bush letting the Liberals and moderate Republicans walk all over him, and his not taking a real stand on any of the important issues (except that stand he took in favor of amnesty that "wasn't amnesty") I want a leader who will not only support traditional conservative ideals but take a stand against those who try to lie or mislead the public."

I don't think there is any ideal candidate. I think the best candidate may be Giuliani. I know he is too liberal for some people on social issues, but I imagine him as someone not taking sh%# from anyone. I don't see that in Thompson or Romney. It doesn't matter if a candidate's views are exactly like you own, if he readily bends to the opposition he is not a good choice.

Numbers
The national poll numbers are very fluid. Thompson can go up and down fairly fast as he is more image than anything else right now. The national polls are also somewhat deceptive. Romney will probably win IA, NH, MI, NV and WY. Thompson should win SC. That will dramatically shift the national polls by FL.

The Rudy columnists are starting to panic. They will start working Fred over. Fred may be able to crumble Rudy's conservative support.

There is only about 1/3 of the party who are moderate/liberals (at least among the primary voters). McCain picks up much of his support from that group. That leaves Rudy with about 20 % in national polls. If McCain drops out he may save Rudy. However, I do not think McCain's military vote will go to Rudy.

The only things that props up Rudy's national vote are his 9/11 image and his head to heads with Hillary. Rudy's 9/11 image is starting to come under attack. As Fred and Romney become better known and improve their head to heads the softer Rudy support will shift.

After the first 5 primaries there will be one national strategy candidate and one slingshot strategy candidate. Thompson has to win SC or he will not even be a regional candidate. Rudy will take NY and NJ and maybe a couple of other states but if he does not win FL and strongly he is in trouble.




Christopher Parisho
Fred should have agreed to go to the Values debate. Without the other top tier there he might have made a little splash and earned some press for it. But, no suprise - he can't afford to open himself up that way. He needs to tighly control his exposure because he has no substance and does not seem to be able to articulate a position, let alone a vision.

Will & Buchanan
Are drifitng aimlessly to the Left. The last several columns from each will serve as The Yucatan Impact for these dinosaurs.

"Conventional Wisdom"
Is just another name for propaganda. The media and money players do not want Hunter to be the nominee. He WILL secure the border and they don't want that. So the best way to marginalize him is to convince the gullible that he can't win by repeating that line over and over. If he is the GOP nominee, I predict a 1984 size landslide. Americans want their government to fulfill its most basic responsibility.

The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.

http://www.gohunter08.com

Virginia Patriot
"If he (Duncan Hunter) is the GOP nominee, I predict a 1984 size landslide."

I seriously doubt that. You have the right to support him, but you highly overestimate the amount of people who agree with his views.


I have been
poised for Thompson's actual arrival into the fray. However, based on his recent difficulties in answering what I think were simple questions, I am starting to worry that there are really no true conservatives to vote for. I believe all the GOP candidates are conservative in some way(s), some candidates more conservative than others. But I also think that the conservative base has to decide which issues are most important and pose those questions to the candidates rather than worry about things that do not matter, such as a candidate's trophy wife. Basically, I think one of the problems is that a majority of voters (conservative and liberal) do not know enough about how the government works to know what to ask of their candidate; they, instead, rely on political commentators like George Will to tell them what to think and believe. It's kind of like people who take their preacher's word without going to the Bible to find out if what the preacher says is true.

Hunter
I don't think these views are very electable. I also don't like that he is ardently anti-free trade.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Duncan_Hunter.htm

He Ain't No Reagan
Four men still have a realistic shot at the Republican nomination. Rudy Guiliani. Fred Thompson. Mitt Romney. John McCain. Two I will never vote for- Guiliani and McCain. I would prefer defeat to Mrs. Clinton and a speedy political resurrection after her inauguration than to be afflicted with two men who would run down the conservative cause. I will vote for Thompson and Romney.

But get it clear that Fred Thompson is no Ronald Reagan. By the time Reagan won the presidency in 1980 he had fleshed out a coherent political program over a 25 year span of time. As for Thompson, on the other hand, it is not clear that he has given much thought to any sort of conservative program for the future. Yes, he is definitely conservative, but he is a lightweight. His conservative imagination is empty. There is a need for Thompson only because the other plausible Republican candidates are so mediocre and two of them clearly cold water for conservatives.

jonlanerose
"Basically, I think one of the problems is that a majority of voters (conservative and liberal) do not know enough about how the government works to know what to ask of their candidate; they, instead, rely on political commentators like George Will to tell them what to think and believe. It's kind of like people who take their preacher's word without going to the Bible to find out if what the preacher says is true."

There is some truth to that. People do those things at times. For example, (using you religion analogy) I remember knowing a lady who thought body piercings were forbidden in the Bible. My friend and I tried to look that up that and no such passage exists. She just believed that because it is what she was told. That said, I still think you underestimate people.

Republican candidate field
Everytime I look, Newt looks better. He will never be incoherent on any subject broached and I can't think of any issue whwe his position differs from mine. Some complain about his baggage but, "who is going to cast the first stone?"

The problem with Fred
is simple, he is just another elite from the Washington political world. That problem isn't really the issue however.

What is truly at stake in the 2008 election is whether or not the American people are going to wake up to the fact that we have all been duped by the DEM/GOP/MSM propaganda machines into believing the big lie, that only these elites are capable of governing OUR NATION?

Why so many here continually look at the GOP and hope some magical candidate will save the day is a question that needs to be answered. How many more times are we going to entrust the future of our country and our children to the same group of internationalists who are ever so slowly selling us out? How many more times will we vote for the lesser of two evils, always hoping to get a result that is not evil?

To all you faithful Republicans, I say get over it! The GOP is not different from the Democrats in any significant way. If we once again elect an elite from either party, we are insane (Einstein).

You need to examine what is being offered to you very closely. The battle in Washington is all about power, not the interests of America. The two parties have rigged the system to assure themselves of that, and their message to you is, you have no other choice, nowhere else to go, so vote for us, go home, shut up, and by the way, don't forget to send in your tax dollars.

You don't think that is the case? Remember how Trent Lott complained about talk radio upsetting his precious amnesty plan and Sandra Day O'Connor proclaiming that OUR Constitution should be interpreted by the laws of other nations? I don't recall any GOP complaint about her outrageous statement.

If you want a true conservative and patriotic candidate whose only loyalty is to the American people, you need to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG. Why not check it out, what's to lose? The elites have already stolen our inheritance, are we ever going to reclaim it? Thanks, Joe

The problem with Fred
is simple, he is just another elite from the Washington political world. That problem isn't really the issue however.

What is truly at stake in the 2008 election is whether or not the American people are going to wake up to the fact that we have all been duped by the DEM/GOP/MSM propaganda machines into believing the big lie, that only these elites are capable of governing OUR NATION?

Why so many here continually look at the GOP and hope some magical candidate will save the day is a question that needs to be answered. How many more times are we going to entrust the future of our country and our children to the same group of internationalists who are ever so slowly selling us out? How many more times will we vote for the lesser of two evils, always hoping to get a result that is not evil?

To all you faithful Republicans, I say get over it! The GOP is not different from the Democrats in any significant way. If we once again elect an elite from either party, we are insane (Einstein).

You need to examine what is being offered to you very closely. The battle in Washington is all about power, not the interests of America. The two parties have rigged the system to assure themselves of that, and their message to you is, you have no other choice, nowhere else to go, so vote for us, go home, shut up, and by the way, don't forget to send in your tax dollars.

You don't think that is the case? Remember how Trent Lott complained about talk radio upsetting his precious amnesty plan and Sandra Day O'Connor proclaiming that OUR Constitution should be interpreted by the laws of other nations? I don't recall any GOP complaint about her outrageous statement.

If you want a true conservative and patriotic candidate whose only loyalty is to the American people, you need to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG. Why not check it out, what's to lose? The elites have already stolen our inheritance, are we ever going to reclaim it? Thanks, Joe

The problem with Fred
is simple, he is just another elite from the Washington political world. That problem isn't really the issue however.

What is truly at stake in the 2008 election is whether or not the American people are going to wake up to the fact that we have all been duped by the DEM/GOP/MSM propaganda machines into believing the big lie, that only these elites are capable of governing OUR NATION?

Why so many here continually look at the GOP and hope some magical candidate will save the day is a question that needs to be answered. How many more times are we going to entrust the future of our country and our children to the same group of internationalists who are ever so slowly selling us out? How many more times will we vote for the lesser of two evils, always hoping to get a result that is not evil?

To all you faithful Republicans, I say get over it! The GOP is not different from the Democrats in any significant way. If we once again elect an elite from either party, we are insane (Einstein).

You need to examine what is being offered to you very closely. The battle in Washington is all about power, not the interests of America. The two parties have rigged the system to assure themselves of that, and their message to you is, you have no other choice, nowhere else to go, so vote for us, go home, shut up, and by the way, don't forget to send in your tax dollars.

You don't think that is the case? Remember how Trent Lott complained about talk radio upsetting his precious amnesty plan and Sandra Day O'Connor proclaiming that OUR Constitution should be interpreted by the laws of other nations? I don't recall any GOP complaint about her outrageous statement.

If you want a true conservative and patriotic candidate whose only loyalty is to the American people, you need to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG. Why not check it out, what's to lose? The elites have already stolen our inheritance, are we ever going to reclaim it? Thanks, Joe

I apologize for these multiple posts
the TH site has been doing this all week. Joe

We Already Have a Real Regan -- Ron Paul
Ron Paul's the only one talking about the abolition of whole cabinet positions like Regan. HE also wants to abolish the IRS and cut government spending down to the point where it doesn't need to be replaced with anything. HE also wants to repeal the last 25 years of federal gun control legislation. Thompson's record at Gun Owners of America is around 50% compaired to Ron Paul's. Paul, actually has a congressional voting record proving that he cares about immagration, and securing the boarders and actually has a plan for placing those boarders gaurds there -- bring them back from Iraq.
Make no mistake. Ron Paul IS a serious contender, and if all the Thompsonites who are only voting for him because he's the "least evil" (Seriously debatable) of the "top teir" voted for a genuine conservative, Ron Paul, Paul would win easily.

Tracy

George Will
You are going off your nut. Bellyflop? Really? Then explain his jump in the polls that wasn't anticipated due to the fact that he was already included in the polls?

Good lord I am getting tired of having to wade through the bias' of journalists!

Vic
Your post about George is exactly what I am talking about. He lacks consistantcy. Funny my husband and I were just talking about this a few days ago. Maybe it's time for him to retire.

FOWG
Fred is totally a member of the old Republican's club. Howard Baker is his closest and long-time advisor - that should tell you something.

I am underimpressed by Fred
I was hoping he was everything his press predicted, but so far he has failed to impress me. I doubt he could beat Hillary. He doesn't have the passion, and his rambling answers to Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham put me to sleep. However, I will wait until the first debate in which he takes part to pass judgment. Maybe he will surprise me.

I wish Duncan Hunter had more traction. I will probably vote for either him or Huckabee in the primary.

As far as beating Hillary - Huckabee, Romney or Giuliani could all probably do it. They all have executive experience, vs. a lackluster career in the Senate, which is all she's got. Republicans need to get over the fact that none of these guys is a perfect conservative. They would all do a better job than Hillary. They would prosecute the war on terror, keep our taxes low and appoint constructionist judges to the Supreme Court.

That last bit is the most important when it comes to Constitutional issues. There will be a Second Amendment case brought to the Supreme Court soon, I think, and when it happens we will see the value of having Justices like Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito. Even Rudy, the most liberal of the GOP candidates, has said he'd appoint a judge in the Roberts mold.

So, at least IMHO, it doesn't ultimately matter who the GOP nominee is, we have to unite and vote for him, because a President Hillary is just too awful to contemplate.

Lolo
Thanks, it was getting old listening to all the RP wingnuts.

Fred Thompson - I Like Him
He's no Reagan. But, I would vote for Mickey Mouse, to keep Clinton and Obama, out of the Whitehouse. Oh, and don't forget
Slick Willy, he will be right there too. I wonder if Hillery would let hm into the Oval Office, which was his favorite room when he was the prez. A question for Hillery, " Define taxes?". Answer, " What I'll be getting plenty of, when I am the Commandress in Chief."

Embarrassment
Fred is an embarrassment. The sooner he goes, the better.

Is Fred Necessary
I'm amazed as I cruise through the GOP Spectrum. It seems every GOP commentator and pundit are pro-Guiliani and anti-Thompson.

Why? GOP PARTY TALKING POINTS

Because the current GOP Party, are the same idiots that:
1) Got run out of Congress.
2) Spent like Dems.
3) Became what they replaced in 96.
4) Had the backbone of a snail.
5) Allowed the Dem minority to rule Congress.

These same idiots have already anointed Rudy their King, so Fred is a threat.

In their feeble minds, only Guiliani can beat Hillary, only Guiliani can draw in indies and undecideds, only Guiliani can hold the White House. Notice all those reasons had nothing to do with who is the best leader. Because all of their decisions are still based on fear.

Problem is, Fred is a real threat, cause he is a real conservative. He speaks his mind, doens't pull punches, in short, he leads. Fred was close to Guiliani before he even declared, now that he has declared, he's a threat, and the GOP Party are sending out talking points to all their pundits.

Instead of going after the defeatist Dem candidates, the GOP party has them attacking each other, including Fred Thompson, someone who could soundly thrash Hillary Clinton in a national campaign. IDIOTS!

What I am seriously disappointed about, is George Will engaging in party talking points. I have always believed him to be one of the most brilliant commentators out there. Until I read this article full of GOP party talking points.

Vic
Will really isn't a liberal. The 3 positions you identify as liberal are what a lot of classical conservatives would agree with; that is, don't go to war for essentially any reason except direct self interest. He didn't believe we should have gone into Iraq to accomplish what Bush wants to accomplish, which is culture change.

Strictly true, and if Hussein had re-taken Kuwait and perhaps a couple of other countries in the region, Will's position is that that would have just been a slightly different configuration in the area, with no change in the accessibility of oil, and perhaps a small drop in price due to greater local stability.

Whether we should be doing social experiments in other countries, even for their benefit, is a tricky question, but one that resides in the conservative domain, as does Will's isolationist tendencies.

The conservative big tent is of ideas. Liberals do have a big tent, but it is of interest groups, not ideas. If you don't think that's true, amble over to the DailyKos or Huffington Post and peruse the range and depth of their philosophies from A) Bush is a Nazi to B) Bush is a war criminal and you'll see what I mean.

Fred Smed, doesn't have what it takes
Fred is not looking good so far. I don’t think these numbers will last. he fumbled talking about giving bin laden due process and then changed his mind and then changed it again.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-thompson11sep11,1,157750.story?coll=la-politics-campaign

he admitted to those in south carolina that he is not a churchgoer and faith won’t be a big part of his campaign. and also the day of his announcement flip flopped on his support for a gay marriage ban amendment alienating the eager evangelical vote.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20070911/pl_bloomberg/a23dx3a8oufe

then to make things worse, he took two days off, tuesday and wednesday, after a grueling 5 days on teh campaign trail rienforcing the fact that he is lazy and doesn’t have what it takes to go the distance.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/2008-and-counting-leaked-poll-shows-a-bump-for-newest–gop-contender-2007-09-13.html

He is not impressing. I imagine and the next two debates he is going to get blasted with difficult questions as well on mccain feingold, abortion, and many other things. George Will had a good article on him today.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/09/is_a_fred_thompson_campaign_ne.html

Fred's perceptiont that he is the conservative alternative will likely fade. if he can't raise a lot of money this month, he is screwed.

hunter
for the record. duncan hunter is a great man who is right on a lot of the issues, but lets get real, every time he opens his mouth it is a buzz kill. no charisma whatsoever. Him and brownfro fall into that same pool.

hope they drop out before the next debate.

Re: Manx
I don't think I am underestimating people. I am not saying people are stupid. I'm just saying that most people would rather listen to what someone else has to say about a candidate than actually do the research. Part of the reason for this is that voters have become pessimistic and do not think they are going to get what they vote for anyway; therefore, the voters don't think it matters as long as their candidate is in the "correct" party. I would just like for a candidate to have the proper moral compass and the proper respect for the Constitution and the way our government was designed to work.

As for body piercings being in the Bible, I would say that if someone is looking for a "Thou shalt not" for every question, then they will more times than not be disappointed, or happy, depending on which way they were leaning before they looked it up.

Fred & McCain
fall into the same category. Very similar voting records. The only difference is that one guy has been in the thick of it the last few years, opening himself to criticism, whereas one has been on the sidelines.

McCain-Feingold was not a good move, and most now realize that, but we currently have much bigger fish to fry: Iraq, war on terror, healthcare, deficit, judges. etc.

George W Bush
You should learn how to read. The only thing true conservative support Bush on is the WOT and Will opposes that. It is not all; in some of his columns it appears that Will has signed on to the Big Government Liberal ideas.

F George Will
I am surprised that Will would take a quote that far out of context to make his point... and hopefully in the process help out his own horse in the race... Rudy. With regard to Hannity's question about the other candidates' positions... Fred Thompson said... "Well, to tell you the truth, I haven't spent a whole lot of time going into the details of their positions." But as part of that same response he also said... "I mean publicly. I obviously know where they stand and what they've done and what they've written." Will leaves this out to make his point because if he includes it he has no point. And since the remainder of the article is based on this misleading point the rest of the article is cast under the disingenuous shadow of his support for Rudy.

One look at the poll numbers and you can see whey George is unhappy with Fred. Rudy is tanking... kinda like the New Coke did. Me? I'm going with the "Red Bull"!

GOP IS DEAD IN THE WATER
I find it amusing when i hear conservatives debate over big goverment intrusive republicans aka thompson/mccain/romney/rudolf/hunter/huckabee all are just hillary clinton on STEROIDS

THE SIMPLE FACT IS THE GOP has only ONE chance to win the next ELECTION his name is RON PAUL,if the gop chooses to ignore RON PAUL,then they will choose to loose the next election.

Democrat or Republican they both want more big intrusive goverment and they both have burned/destroyed the Constitution.

THE GOP IS DEAD IN THE WATER,unless they nominate RON PAUL, Me and my wife are Republicans and i can PROMISE you,We are Voting FOR RON PAUL ONLY any other choice is just big intrusive goverment,the democrats and republicans are all the same,except for RON PAUL

PS you can argue all you want ,im not wasting my vote on 2 big goverment liberal Parties DEMOCRATS/REPUBLICANS one in the same

The 2nd AMERICAN REVOLUTION has started no guns needed ,just COMMON SENSE
THE RON PAUL REVOLUTION is REAL,and if the GOP ignores it ,i will not shed one tear when the gop loses to hillary they are both the same:)

GOP IS DEAD IN THE WATER
I find it amusing when i hear conservatives debate over big goverment intrusive republicans aka thompson/mccain/romney/rudolf/hunter/huckabee all are just hillary clinton on STEROIDS

THE SIMPLE FACT IS THE GOP has only ONE chance to win the next ELECTION his name is RON PAUL,if the gop chooses to ignore RON PAUL,then they will choose to loose the next election.

Democrat or Republican they both want more big intrusive goverment and they both have burned/destroyed the Constitution.

THE GOP IS DEAD IN THE WATER,unless they nominate RON PAUL, Me and my wife are Republicans and i can PROMISE you,We are Voting FOR RON PAUL ONLY any other choice is just big intrusive goverment,the democrats and republicans are all the same,except for RON PAUL

PS you can argue all you want ,im not wasting my vote on 2 big goverment liberal Parties DEMOCRATS/REPUBLICANS one in the same

The 2nd AMERICAN REVOLUTION has started no guns needed ,just COMMON SENSE
THE RON PAUL REVOLUTION is REAL,and if the GOP ignores it ,i will not shed one tear when the gop loses to hillary they are both the same:)

Michael Brown - alternate reality check
Fred has NO leadership experience - did next to nothing in the Senate (except McCain-Feingold, LOL) And he no real conservative either. Look at his record. He is no more conservative than Rudy or Romney. He is a big government guy.

The pundits are merely reading the writing on the wall about Fred.

His initial poll numbers are nothing more than Arthur Branch wishful thinking. They are not going to hold. He will not be able to hold them because he has no substance and is already falling flat in his appearances.

Two to watch, if you're still awake
I think the soporific Giuliani, Thompson, McCain, and Huckabee have peaked; it's downhill from here for them.

As much as I support him, and as much as it pains me to admit this, Duncan Hunter is drawing little support. Are voters too frivolous and stupid to appreciate him? I am mystified as to why he isn't faring better in polls.

The only two GOP candidates who seem to have an impressive grassroots vitality are Ron Paul and Mitt Romney. They are two to watch if you want some excitement. I think they will both hang in there for quite a while and will rise in popularity.

Although I am not a Ron Paul supporter, I have gained a greater respect for the humility and frankness with which he expresses himself. I also respect the fact that he remains consistently true to his interpretation of the Constitution. I can see why some are drawn to him and more will be.

to go along with whale_eye's comment
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/05/AR2007050500284_pf.html (thomspons is in fact the lazy incarnation fo mccain.)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19263100/site/newsweek/page/0/ (Thompsons voting record same as mccains)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070905/NATION/109050083/1002 (Thompson soft on illegals just like mccain)

New York Liberal R or D ?
If that ends up being my choice, I'll pass, thank you. Either way, we get amnesty, higher taxes, less freedom. Buenos Noches, America.

to go along with whale_eye's comment
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/05/AR2007050500284_pf.html (thomspons is in fact the lazy incarnation fo mccain.)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19263100/site/newsweek/page/0/ (Thompsons voting record same as mccains)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070905/NATION/109050083/1002 (Thompson soft on illegals just like mccain)

And Portlandmom
supports which "real conservative" with substantial "leadership experience?"

go Fred Go
If Mccain Feingold, something he already said he was sorry for, is all that is holding Fred back then I'd say he's in a pretty good position. Rudy isn't a social conservative, and whether you think it's bigoted or not, I KNOW there are a lot of people that won't vote for Mitt just on his religion ( I am not one of them).

Fred is the man.

Contextual Phraseology in Locus
I can't tell for sure whether George Will is Conservative, Liberal, Independent, RINO, or what. Maybe that's what he wants in our minds: to confuse the issue of the source of his comments. Only he knows what his true political beliefs include.

I listened to Fred Thompson in various interviews. And I would put more credence in what George Will writes if he'd quote the man in context. I'm not going to repeat Fred's words here because I don't remember the details [horrors!], nor will this comment be among the top ten read today or tomorrow. But, anyone writing a critical essay on someone else must quote the subject in context and then prove his criticism by truly explained examples and spoken words.

A George Will essay seems to be based on what he wants to believe first, and then he picks and chooses quotes and comments to support his premise. That's not good writing, George, and if it's the best you can do anymore, please retire and work at typesetting for a small town weekly.

Mr. Will ...
... you can go ahead and tell us who you are for in the Republican field of candidates, since it's OBVIOUS to me that you are NOT for Fred Thompson because of his support of McCain/Finegold law.

http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://OsiSpeaks.org

Fred is a Joke
I am a life long republican but if Fred wins the nomination I will vote for a third party candidate. I could not under a good conscious vote for a person who is completely unqualified to lead our country. I'm sorry but he is a joke.

Contextual Phraseology in Locus
I can't tell for sure whether George Will is Conservative, Liberal, Independent, RINO, or what. Maybe that's what he wants in our minds: to confuse the issue of the source of his comments. Only he knows what his true political beliefs include.

I listened to Fred Thompson in various interviews. And I would put more credence in what George Will writes if he'd quote the man in context. I'm not going to repeat Fred's words here because I don't remember the details [horrors!], nor will this comment be among the top ten read today or tomorrow. But, anyone writing a critical essay on someone else must quote the subject in context and then prove his criticism by truly explained examples and spoken words.

A George Will essay seems to be based on what he wants to believe first, and then he picks and chooses quotes and comments to support his premise. That's not good writing, George, and if it's the best you can do anymore, please retire and work at typesetting for a small town weekly.

If this is a duplicate, it's because Townhall showed strong signs of having lost my first edition in cyberspace.

At least he hasn't drooled yet
He obviously has no understanding of the Constitution.
He and his committee had to have known that the McCain-Feingold matter was going to come up. And his answer was a mishmash of lies and evasions. He is an old man and his dotage is showing. When away from his actor's script (its usually just a few words) this man has definite difficulty focusing. His usual to the point scripted responses elude him. An average person in politics for the first time could be excused. But after all this time to prepare, Thompson's responses do suggest early stage senility. Even if the man was sincere, we don't want a late stage Ronald Reagan as President.

He comes from a relatively conservative state. So to get elected and stay elected he had to take somewhat conservative positions. But there is no fire here. There is no depth or breadth. There are no core conservative convictions. Just the latest actors script handed to him by his managers. He is a hick and he looks at all of us as hicks. And when the election is over this demonstrated RINO will do to us what Arnold did to us in California. He will betray us. To work for and support another traitor to our cause is hugely demoralizing to our cause.

At this point most of the TownHall comments are no longer authentic. They are not the usual from the heart comments that we get in TownHall. The first comments are usually going to be from paid staff members of the various presidential campaign committees.


Is George Will Necessary?
As stated before, I think all of our candidates are at least "solid" except for Ron Paul (BTW, if I see another Ron Paulite poster or another cut n' paste "Joe Oliva" post I'm gonna projectile vomit).

Yet I support Thompson. Like his positions. Love it that he doesn't rip on the other good candidates (since we are talking about Reagan so much, anyone remember his 11th commandment?). Like many I suspect, I hear about his so called bad stump speeches, only to find them to be excellent when I actually view them.

But really, why is it necessary for conservatives to engage in this sort of cannabalism? Is this really good for us? Do people like George Will realize that everytime he writes a hit piece (and make no mistake, that is what this is, flowerly George Will parlance and all) our liberal opponents laugh with delight?

Each of the candidates have strengths and weaknesses. But we need to keep our eyes on the prize.

Mainstream press pet conservative barks
Church attendance and campaign finance, this is the foundation of George Will's criticism?

If this is the best the establishment's conservative can dredge up then I think Fred Thompson is in good shape.

Thompson's lack of church attendance in DC is understandable, given the lack of choice in the district (you either have a black church or an old "mainline" [read: liberal] christian church).

However, I'll take Thompson's lack of church diligence over Guliani's or Romney's Mormonism.

The real question
Is George Will necessary?

Not in my book.

Yes! Fred D. Thompson is very necessary.
Fred D.Thompson offers a choice for Voters who want to vote for a Conservative Republican.

The liberal republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney offer more choices for democrats, not republicans.

Fred D.Thomson gives voice to Conservative Republicans who are against Open Borders, who are against open homosexuality in the Military, and very much for strong Family Values.

Without Fred D. Thompson in the race, chances are very high that the democrats would have won the presidency as they won seats in Congress in the 2006 elections.

Fred D. Thompson offers positive change and not talking points that are similar for the democrats and liberal republicans.

So, yes, to Real, Conservative, Republicans, Fred. D. Thompson is very, very, necessary for the right change in a country, presently headed in the wrong direction.

Fred D. Thompson gives voice to Conservative Republicans.

hunter is also in the running
I just reviewed Hunters core values and most of his web site. In my opinion he qualifies as a conservative and I could vote for him also. I do see his number one issue listed is abortion. While I am opposed to abortion on demand it is not in my opinion an area we should focus on in 2008. Its controversial to some and word hurt him if he seems a fanatic on it. Getting the right people on the supreme court is the way to address that issue, in my opinion.

Right On hagar
The number one issue to all Americans this time around should be whether we remain a nation. If we abandon the rule of law and our sovereignty and surrender to the demands of the illegal aliens, we will have lost our country. Duncan Hunter is the one candidate I trust to do what needs to be done. He WILL secure the border and enforce the law. That is primarily why the money and media people want him marginalized.

for Manx
Manx writes: "In this article, Will criticizes Thompson for being liberal on campaign funds. That is a legitimate criticism. I think it is evidence that Thompson isn't a Reagan conservative like some hope he is. "

What's really interesting is the double standard:

The Republican base constantly criticizes Romney for being a "flip-flopper" on issues like abortion and gay marriage, because his position clearly evolved on those over the years.

Yet they give Fred a pass on McCain-Feingold and his lukewarm stances on abortion and gay marriage--somehow they never label him a "flip-flopper."

Apparently just being from a Southern state like Tennessee and speaking in a Southern drawl insulates you from the charge of being too liberal.

Hey, that ploy worked great for Bill Clinton--twice.

A look at John Galt's list pt. 1
First let’s see what his invocation of that bastion of conservatism, the Washington Post, has to say about Fred being too much like McCain.

The first comparison: “fervently backed the Iraq War”
If this is your problem, it’s not hard to find Ron Paul’s website. Just look for the constant repetition of “CFR” over and over and you’re probably there.

The second comparison: “railed against an expanding federal government”
If this is your problem, it’s not hard to find Hillary Clinton’s website. Just look for a lot of touched up photo’s of a stocky looking woman wearing VC pajamas and you’re probably there.

The third comparison: “took stands that annoyed his party”
If this is your problem, you like the GOP exactly as it is. Just vote for George Bush again as a write-in. Good luck with that.

The fourth comparison: “rarely spoke about his views on social issues”
If this is your problem, it’s not hard to find The View on TV. Just look for a bunch of leftist women spouting bumper sticker platitudes as if they were intellectual bullion to the whooping and shouting of women without a job, reminiscent of Jerry Springer’s Greatest Hits.

The fifth comparison: “he also called for ‘reform-minded, change-minded leaders’”
If this is your problem, you like the GOP exactly as it is. See comparison number three.

The sixth comparison: “his proposals to overhaul campaign finance laws”
If this is your problem, I agree with you completely. He admitted his mistake on this. If it’s not good enough for you, feel free to vote for the perfect candidate of your choice.
p.s. When you find the perfect candidate of your choice, drop me a line and let me know who it is. Thanks.


A look at John Galt's list pt. 2
The seventh comparison: “a fairly conservative record in the Senate, earning a lifetime rating of 86 out of 100 from the American Conservative Union, putting him slightly ahead of McCain (82)”
If this is your problem, it’s not hard to find the Edwards website. Just look for a gender-neutral action figure with perfect hair channeling the ghosts of dead children for cash.

The eighth comparison: “said the administration should have sent more troops in originally”
If this is your problem, I think Don Rumsfeld is looking for a golfing partner. Look for a well tanned, smiling man who knows how to deal with the press like no man I know, since Reagan.

The ninth comparison: “is passionate about national security issues”
If this is your problem, it’s not hard to find the DNC website. Just look for a national agenda comprised mainly of hatred for George Bush, increased taxes, no plan for national security and handing over the administration of your health care to the Department of Motor Vehicles.

The tenth comparison: “earned a reputation as a maverick”
If this is your problem, you want a man who votes for party before principle. This means you’re a Democrat and you’re not going to vote for Thompson anyway.

Now, they did detail a number of differences between the candidates including Thompson’s lack of sponsorship for new legislation, his support for the tax cuts which McCain opposed and having more charisma than a fencepost.

Oh, and he’s lazy because he doesn’t like to sit on the Senate floor until ten o’clock at night listening to Robert Byrd opine about his dog. Personally, if you can listen to Byrd drone on for more than five minutes and resist the urge to put a gun in your mouth, you should be awarded the Congressional Medal of Job for Patience.

I can see how those differences would be a problem for “real conservatives.”


for portlandmom
portlandmom writes: "In reality, Fred is no more conservative than Guiliani or Romney."

But Fred has a conservative IMAGE, due to his Southern drawl accent and the fact that he's from Tennessee, a fairly conservative Southern state. Which Giuliani and Romney do not.

The GOP base is Southern, just like Fred is, so they naturally feel more comfortable with him. Giuliani and Romney are Northeasterners, and that's not where the GOP is anymore--it's nearly dead there.

At least some of the GOP base's suspicion of Giuliani and Romney is due to their cultural distaste for New York and Massachusetts--anybody who gets elected in those two states couldn't possibly be socially conservative enough to please the GOP base.

Yeah for Thompson
I love that he did things his way by appearing on Leno for his announcement where millions saw as opposed to the small number viewing the debates. I love it when the driveby media tries to dimishish him by writing about his trophy wife and the fact that he was one of those awful lobbyist and they fake swoons at the clients he represented. All this tells me they are afraid of him as a real conservative.

Recently, a close friend came back from Washington after visiting her influential democrat fund raising daughter. Right off she started to deluge me with talk of abortion, gay marriage etc saying how sad for republicans that they don't have the right candidate. I blasted back that in these perilous times, the key issue of the day was leadersip and that the candidate that makes voters feel the country is in the hands of a true leader wins. The dems don't get it.

George Will Is A Liberal
This is exactly the kind of groussing you would expect from a country club liberal masquerading as a conservative. The whole purpose of this hit piece is to shore up Rudy, who has multiple liberal positions (anti-gun, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, pro-illegal immigration). I don't trust Rudy on raising taxes either.

Rudy will appoint judges like David Sutter. But thats what George Wll wants.

Good Job Mr. Will
Another in a long list of good columns.

Too bad that the Fredheads;
a. Think they can deflect all criticism as liberal sniping. If criticism from Will is so disturbing wait until he meets Hillary IF he wins the primary.

b. Don't understand enough about electoral politics to see why Thompson is the weakest of the "top tier" candidates. Name one blue state that he could take from the 2004 election. Do you really think he will win New Mexico with pandering to the ones who cried "shamnesty"? Or Colorado? And quite possibly Ohio. Colorado and NM alone give Hill the election.

On a side note to "Vic" -- I'll give your analysis more weight when you get your Pulitzer.

for Michael Brown
Michael Brown writes: "Fred is a real threat, cause he is a real conservative. He speaks his mind"

But that's the problem: Fred has NOT "spoken his mind." Have you actually listened to his interviews by Hannity and Laura Ingraham? He stumbles, he rambles, he is very unclear and he is UNIMPRESSIVE. He's already given a couple of prepared speeches and even the GOP audience that was prepared to be enthusiastic was left absolutely cold by his dull delivery.

You probably got the idea that "Fred speaks his mind" from that ONE scripted video he did dissing Michael Moore. What you didn't get to see is how many times the script got edited and polished; how many times the video got rehearsed and how many takes Fred did to get it right. Because that's how acting is done.

But in a debate or a press conference or media interview, Fred will have to think and speak extemporaneously, on his feet. So far, he has NOT done well at that--in fact, he hasn't even done a single debate.

Fred speaks his mind? No he doesn't.

souther skies is funny
"Fred D.Thomson gives voice to Conservative Republicans who are against Open Borders, who are against open homosexuality in the Military, and very much for strong Family Values."

Fred on open borders: http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070905/NATION/109050083/1002

Quote from article (this is not fluff, this is how he voted) "when he voted to preserve illegal aliens' ability to receive federal benefits. He was one of just six senators to vote that way, joining four other Republicans and one Democrat.

And in 1996, as Congress considered a crackdown on illegal aliens, Mr. Thompson voted against setting up a system so employers could verify the legal status of their workers."

Fred on Gay marriage:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucmg/20070905/cm_ucmg/seefredflipseefredflop

Fred and his family values.

Divorced, galavant around DC with many women, then marry someone 7 YEARS YOUNGER than his own son and have babies when you look like you are about to die! (was that harsh?. Sorry but he does not strike me as the standard bearer of family values.)

My favorite comment from southerskies though was this one:
"Fred D. Thompson offers positive change and not talking points that are similar for the democrats and liberal republicans."

Fred would be the first lobbyist to run for president (been a washington lobbyist fro like 17 years). he lives inside the washington beltway in mclaen virginia where all the high rollers washington types live. What kind of change does he demonstrate? in Addition,the main criticism most have of him is that he has NOTHING BUT GENERAL PLATITUDES. He has no substantive plans for anything.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-06-06-thompson-resume_n.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/11/AR2007091101919.html

What planet is this souther skies living on?



Good debater
I suppose its important that a candidate be a good debater. Most lawyers have debates. But that isnt that important to me. Oh sure its a quality that is good to have. But what is more important is the values and analytical ability they have to use before making decisions. The current list of candidates with one exception want to prosecute the war on terror. Address illegal immigration. Lower taxes. Smaller government. I am willing to listen for several more months. Whoever is nominated, hopefully will attempt to follow up on these issues. At this point I wish them all sucess.

If not Fred, then Newt
Newt is clearly is the most qualified and experienced of any of the front runners. I know he has baggage, but so do every other candidate running. He is also a brilliant communicator and debater and speaks of actual solutions to problems instead of the talking points you hear from the others.

I could live with any of the Republican candidates except Paul and Brownback, but Newt would rise above the rest. You'll never hear him double-talk and get tonge tied answering questions.

Another Tennessean
As I hinted at in an early post, I am not greatly enamored with Senator Thompson. Yet he is certainly a conservative. Maybe he could turn out like the last president from Tennessee, James Knox Polk, who excited few people but turned out to be a pretty successful president.

not imrepssed
Mr Will. I give your article the one star that it merits. (Only because there is no half-star.)_

$.02
If Will is against Fred that makes Fred more appealing to me.

feilong80
Go ahead and vomit, but you have no idea what the real prize is. All these GOP candidates are elites and part of the power structure that is destroying this country.

Go ahead and promote your favorite elite. It is obvious you never even read anything on my website. Nonetheless, if another elite gains the White House, before 2009 is over, this country will be irrevocably on the road to membership in a one world socialist government!
And then, all of you faithful, elite supporting GOP people will have to defend another sellout of this great nation. Joe

The real prize is a restoration of the Constitution, rule of law, and will of the people as the principles by which we govern ourselves, and none of these folks will do that! They are all tied to and will be beholden to the party, the PACs, the corporations,and the lobbyists. You cannot refute that because it is true and you know it.

To h--- with Democrats and Republicans, they represent no one but themselves, their party, and their virtual lock on power.

orlandocajun
Newt has an ego the size of Montana - he's just teasing, and likes the face-time. He's damaged goods for sure.

Fred Thompson on Global Terror
On the current "War on Terrorism":

Radical Islam has declared war upon us. Some years ago people didn’t pay much attention to it. We didn’t even recognize the fact that it happened, but we know it now.

They look upon it as something that’s been going on for hundreds of years and as far as they’re concerned they’re willing to take it another hundred years as they methodically move forward massacring innocent people. Bringing the Soviet Union to its knees, who they considered the tougher opponent, and now they’re upon us and all those who would befriend us around the world.

Iraq is a part of that conflict but Iraq is not that conflict. That conflict will be with us unfortunately long after Iraq is in our rear view mirror, and the whole world watches and waits as the determination of the American people is tested.

My friends, if we show weakness and division we will pay a heavy price for it in the future. We must show the determination that we are going to be united as an American people and do whatever is necessary to prevail not only in Iraq but in the worldwide conflict that lies beyond Iraq.

We have the bravest young people in the world fighting for us, and we have to match their commitment and determination here at home. You talk to them in these hospitals, the ones who have been grievously wounded, their biggest concern is getting back to the folks that they left back and concerned that their wounds are so great that they might not be allowed to do that. It’s magnificent, and every waking moment of a commander-in-chief should be to make sure that people like that’s efforts are and their family’s sacrifices are not made in vain. And I don’t intend that to be.


Fred Thompson on Social Security Reform
On Reforming Social Security

Pretty soon we will have spent the Social Security surplus and the Baby Boomers will start retiring just in a few years from now on the next President’s watch. And of course it sky-rockets from there, and it will result in astronomically-high deficits, a tax burden on the next generation and generations to come, and a ruination of our economy. Every economist who’s looked at this including our own government officials who are the watchdog agencies such as the Government Accountability Office says that this path is unsustainable. Everybody in Washington knows it.

Yet the politicians kick the can down the road until presumably their own retirement—somebody else’s problem. I wonder if our little kids and our grandchildren and those yet to be born had a seat at the table what they’d say about it, wonder what they’d say to us. I wonder what they’d think about us. My friends, we need to deliver a message to Washington that we’re better than that. And you can start delivering that message by electing a President who will blow the whistle on this lack of responsibility, and I’m the guy who will do that.

Thompson = Reagan Part Deux

We were able to win that election going from one end of that state to the other; talking about the sanctity of life, talking about lower taxes, talking about less regulation, talking about the market economy, talking about free competition, talking about respect for private property rights in this country, talking about free and fair trade and all those things that make America great, and if I said then if we just stick with that, the American people agree with these things, we’ll just stick with that, not only will we be successful, but we’ll continue to be prosperous in this country, we’ve been a beacon for all those countries out there who’ve applied those same principles they’ve all been successful.


C'mon
We know who you're against.

Who are you FOR?

I'll admit it. I don't know who I'm for yet, and my primary consideration is making sure Hillary doesn't win.

I don't think Hunter or Huckabee are electable right now. Neither is Ron Paul.

Ron Paul fans, do yourselves a favor. Lose the Alex Jones aspect of your candidacy. The whackjob factor will never, I mean NEVER win you an election.


Fred on Faith and Supreme Court
Fred on Faith

"We still get our basic rights from God and not from government."

on the Supreme Court

That’s why I was so happy to stand by Chief Justice John Roberts’ side, he’s a great Chief Justice, but he needs some help. We need another one or two. If I’m elected president of the United States I will appoint judges who will follow the constitution, not shape the constitution to fit their own political or personal notions about how society ought to operate.



Speak from knowledge, not ignorance>>
GO FRED GO!!

Is George WIll Necessary?
Ok. So that's one NO vote for Thompson from Will. So what else is new?

George Will has deeply rooted and long-standing biases against Southerners in general and Southern religious conservatives in particular. It therefore stands to reason that any candidate that appeals to this Republican constituency should expect no endorsement from this establishment East Coast, Ivy League, country clubber.

I have agreed with Will on many issues and even respect his many years of rational discourse on the subjects of our common interest. But when it comes to Southerners and religious conservatives, we definitely have a parting of ways, because his views are more closely aligned with the snobbish Northeastern elitist mentality that is common to Republicans and Democrats alike from that corner of the nation, than they are with the cross section of nationwide Republican or conservative constituencies.

132 posts and counting

If you have read my old posts about Thompson, you know I have strong doubts about him. Not that I don't like him. Would be a good neighbor or lodge member. Like I said about Jimmmmmy Cahtuh, I would elect him to be local dog catcher, but that's where it ends.

I respect those of you who are vocally supporting Thompson, but don't let your excitement get the best of you. The day after can be very bad when the hangover is strong. Hunter is or would be my main man, but unless his support picks up greatly at the national level, well........ Texans automatically know better right at the gut level..... so that explains the recent straw poll in Texas giving major support to Hunter, my man.

Now when all the shouting is over and someone you and I don't support gets the nomination, who you gonna vote for. A no vote is a vote: for, and the winner and next president of the un-united states is "Shrillary"...... Ehhhhhh....&%$·*@*&%$·.....


135 and counting, the last post did not

If you have read my old posts about Thompson, you know I have strong doubts about him. Not that I don't like him. Would be a good neighbor or lodge member. Like I said about Jimmmmmy Cahtuh, I would elect him to be local dog catcher, but that's where it ends.

I respect those of you who are vocally supporting Thompson, but don't let your excitement get the best of you. The day after can be very bad when the hangover is strong. Hunter is or would be my main man, but unless his support picks up greatly at the national level, well........ Texans automatically know better right at the gut level..... so that explains the recent straw poll in Texas giving major support to Hunter, my man.

Now when all the shouting is over and someone you and I don't support gets the nomination, who you gonna vote for. A no vote is a vote: for, and the winner and next president of the un-united states is "Shrillary"...... Ehhhhhh....&%$·*@*&%$·.....


135 and counting, why is this not postin

If you have read my old posts about Thompson, you know I have strong doubts about him. Not that I don't like him. Would be a good neighbor or lodge member. Like I said about Jimmmmmy Cahtuh, I would elect him to be local dog catcher, but that's where it ends.

I respect those of you who are vocally supporting Thompson, but don't let your excitement get the best of you. The day after can be very bad when the hangover is strong. Hunter is or would be my main man, but unless his support picks up greatly at the national level, well........ Texans automatically know better right at the gut level..... so that explains the recent straw poll in Texas giving major support to Hunter, my man.

Now when all the shouting is over and someone you and I don't support gets the nomination, who you gonna vote for. A no vote is a vote: for, and the winner and next president of the un-united states is "Shrillary"...... Ehhhhhh....&%$·*@*&%$·.....


Will you give me a break?
In a democracy, politicians are brokers, placing public cash and legislative boons with organized groups in return for private cash and votes. Since this is a zero sum game, why should any one organized group forgo its shot at buying a piece of government? They don't; otherwise, why did they organize? But to deride one particular group and their political panderers for doing so while ignoring that this is business as usual for American governance is to court dishonesty.

Like Will, I believe it's a bad idea for organized groups of Christians to get into this game and for politicians to pander to them. But my objection is founded in scripture: Christians are far more powerful than any state when they rely on the power of the Holy Spirit to change society through them rather than the law. After all, isn't freedom only possible apart from the law?

Christians shouldn't get involved?
Love that. Righteousness exalts a nation. The reason our country is Sodom and Gomorrah is that the church doesn't do enough to hold the line.

Since "religious" people shouldn't be involved in politics does that include athiests? New agers? Evironmentalism is a religion now, should they be excluded. Humanisists?

The above are all de facto religions.

We just need to get rid of Christians?

Put a fork in Fred
already, he's way past done. Just another globalist CFR member who wants continual war in the ME to fill the corporate coffers and appeal to all those people (and majority of TH folks) who are CINOs.

Paul or Hunter or Huck is the only way forward for conservatives. To not nominate one of these guys means the end of the Republican Party as a vehicle to advance conservatism.

To advance real conservatism, not the claptrap responses you see on here from wannabe and would be conservatives, who are nowhere near being actual conservatives.

Fred
Someone said Will is dissing on Fred "because he isn't in the club". Fred is in the club and that is the problem.

The question every candidate must answer is whether they will defend the sovereignty, territorial integrity and constitution of the US. All the top tier candidates, Dem and Rep are globalists and support the NAU.

Fred is not a conservative. HE is a member of CFR. He looks older than he is, has cancer!,still can't state a position, and I am not digging the nymphet wife with the decollette too often prominently displayed. And he did lobby for planned parenthood.

Did y'all really like getting sucker punched by Bush? I didn't much enjoy it. I am a lot wiser now and don't plan to drink the koolaid. If I have to choose between a Marxist globalist (Dem) or a Fascist globalist (Rep) I am not going to have any delusions about it. The lesser of two evils is hardly so these days.

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporat power." Benito Mussolini

Rockefeller Republicans control the party now and their aims are fascist to the core.

LuckyRock2
Maybe Huckabee?

I have read Huckabee quotes where he says to not let unlimited numbers of Mexicans into the country or to ask illegals to leave is "unChristian".

I have also read he raised taxes a lot.

Gotta say, anyone not willing to close our borders is not an option for me.

Amazing
So some people here believe George Will is a liberal? I wonder how extraordinarily to the right one's politics has to be to consider Will a liberal? Probably Tancredo/Robertson/Falwell/Hunter ultra right.

Duncan Hunter
Who says we can't nominate Hunter? Big media and big money?

All the big media and money are for the North American Union. Once they succeed in opening the flood gates it won't take long to wipe out the middle class. (Turning the trucking industry over to Mexicans is going to create prosperity and opportunity? Just another job Americans won't do?)

“It is folly to underestimate the contempt that the Rockefeller Republicans have for the middle class, regarding it as a roadblock to their ability to make the money they should be able to make.

I believe that if the R. Republicans had their way, there would be a massive slave labor class that people would be born into, could not work their way out of, and die in. What better way to do this than by allowing unlimited numbers of illegal aliens to come and stay."

They would hate to see someone like Duncan Hunter as president. Tell the people in Texas that the NAU and the Nafta super highway are just urban legends. I'd say that is why Hunter won big in Texas.

Onceamarine said it right. When you come to after the hangover, you are going to find we don't even have a country.

The last election was a bomb because people didn't even show up to vote. Rep party has abandoned the base. Only a real conservative will bring out the base.

Stick a fork in Fred is about right, you can also add Rudy and Mitt. All of them are traitors as is the scumbag Bush.



Big Tent - To be or not to be
The fact that he got a Pulitzer is evidence that he is a liberal. Look who they hand those out to. They are much like the Oscars now. Those I use as an indication of what movies not to see.

Let’s look at the facts. There are three in the top tier, Giuliani, Thompson, and Romney. McCain and Huckabee make up the next two candidates currently in the polls. Giuliani and Romney are liberals on too many issues, Rudy more than any. McShame is too maverick on everything including logic. I will NOT vote for Rudy OR McShame if either get the nod. Note that Ron Paul is not even on he list for the top five. He had some fairly decent ideas but then committed political suicide with comments and answers that were poorly thought out concerning our foreign policy. He could have stated a desire to have a more isolationist policy much like Buchanan without saying that 9/11 was our fault.

Right now I do lean towards Fred Thompson. I could see voting for Huckabee and possibly Romney. I also would like to see Gingrich get into the race, even though he has bought into the AGW scam.

george will
well, whether he is liberal or not, he is a rabid rudy supporter.

no suprise he is writing hit articles on rudy's opponents.


Duncan Hunter
The main reason Hunter can't win is because the media gives him very little air time, so the average person doesn't even know he exists. Rudy, Mitt, Fred, McCain, Hilary, and Obama are constantly being seen on news and interview shows, so even disinterested people are aware of them. It's not the paid ads that inform viewers, at least not at this early date, it's the face time. The liberal media decides who gets that. Most people just go about their everyday lives [unlike those of us who are political junkies] and have no interest the election until their favorite newscaster or Oprah has repeatedly showcased the chosen few. They have no clue that there are better choices, because no one has told them that those choices exist.

I know Hunter as the congressman in the district next door, I believe in him as a strong conservative who will continue to fight to protect our borders and defend the sovereignty of the United States. That's the most important principle any candidate must posses, in my opinion.

I doubt he's perfect, but he's close enough for me.

opditch
Thanks for the info on the vet web site, I went and I will! One question, who in the h e double tooth picks is george will? I find nothing I agree with him on, and if i don't know him, he must NOT be important :P

Anna
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
you should be on moveon.org heck alot on this website should be, like george will

doc
I should be on moveon.org? I am a staunch conservative.

I voted for Bush twice. Would have to again given those choices. However at the time I actually thought Bush was a good guy.

Now that I know he has been working for the destruction of my country I despise him.

He is a wierd combination of stupid and evil. We "don't want what is good for the country"? Asking the backbone of the country, the middle class to commit suicide? We don't want what is good for the country if we don't want to go along with killing ourselves so the corporate interests who own him can get bigger profits?

He took an oath to defend the constitution of this country. I don't think holding summits the last three years with Canada and Mexico (under SPP) on integration is upholding the constitution. No congressional oversight. They are going to merge all our laws, courts, etc. Who will be the biggest loser? The USA.

I also think it is evil to bleed Americans to raise the standard of living in Mexico. As if that would even work. What are the odds that any $$ sent to Mexico will ever reach the poor?

Why are our sons and daughters dying in Iraq for national security and the back door is wide open? Commerce, $$ for corporate interests is what matters, not national security. Nafta super highway is right into the heartland of this country and we will have no idea what is crossing our borders, (besides drug resisitant infectious TB and hepatitis).

I think Bush is a traitor.

This article...
...reveals Fred to be flawed, but not doomed. Prattling on about McCain-Feingold when he's admitted regretting his vote for sometime is nothing new. There are several other bits of information here that certainly dim Thompson's shining image, but there's nothing here really indicating that he's going to vote with leftist positions.

Anna = BS
You voted for Bush twice? And you only figured out he is a traitor and weird and stupid and that middle America is committing suicide, what, last week or something?

Ha - this is impossible to believe. You cannot be taken seriously. Don't try so hard from now on.

On that Anna,
we agree. george 2 is living up to the name given him by the liberal left, curious george! Curious that he will not secure our borders,Terrorist coming over it I think, but would stand up to Middle East Terrorist, in the Middle East and then let the comment by mexico's president go by without saying any thing. The comment was, where ever there is a mexican, there is mexcio.
Not sure if that is the exact quote, but it's close.
Sorry that i read you wrong Anna, but from what I have seen george will write, i am still RIGHT about him!

Again, Fred is tops in Rasmussen
Yesterday's Rasmussen had Fred leading among likely GOP primary voters. Maybe the majority of primary voters know something George Will doesn't?

Said it before, I'll say it again. If all you are doing in chosing a candidate is considering which one agrees with you the most on the issues, you aren't thinking strategically. It is going to be either Rudy, Fred, or Mitt. Anybody who can't see that writing on the wall is living in a fantasy.

Huckabee, Tancredo, Hunter...they're all nice guys who would make pretty good cabinet members. That is about as far as they are going to go and you know it.

Look, in my first election I voted for Perot. So I "get" all you romanticists out there rooting for Paul or these other "also rans". Libertarians and other borderline third party types. Sheesh! No patience and you act like America can be returned to 1789 in one or two big wins. A couple of Supreme Court rulings. A few Executive Orders. You refuse to acknowledge "incrementalism" and the slower, more effective way of getting things done. Hopeless, silly romanticism.

Duncan Hunter
Anna is right on. Virginia Patriot has it right. And for the poster who wants "Charisma", I can only say that I want capability in a candidate. Duncan Hunter Doesn't speak in Sound Bytes,but he is an Exceptional Republican, especially as contrasted to the others in the race. Duncan Hunter Is A Straight Shooter. Duncan Hunter Walks The Walk. Hunter/Palin 2008, I say.

Frank
Are you for real? Or are you just another bush basher. I voted for him 2x also, and now that he has tried to push amnesty down our throat, i think he is a person who would sell our country for a few pesos
Now, wanna make something of it?

Citizen Carrier
Well said. I also cast my first vote for Perot. It was defiantly one of those “learn from your mistakes” moments and an awakening to he influence of media in politics.

As much as we may not like it, we have to accept (at least until alt media takes the lead) that the MSM will heavily influence which candidates are considered top tier. And the majority of Americans who still get all their information from MSM will never know or consider the alternatives.

Of course we all get involved in this process way to early in my opinion and that is another MSM ploy. They are happy to start the political coverage a year or more before the primaries just to offer more time to build up the top tiers, let them have their moment to shine, then tear them down (or watch us do it from within).

Until the majority of Americans stop feeding from the hand of ABC, NBC, etc. they will be choosing from a very short list of the not so greats in our party’s lineup.

to Manx
Manx, you need to delve a little deeper in your Bible search, body piercing, along with tatooing, is considered disfiguration in the Old Testament.

North American Union
If you believe this, please post your strongest source supporting the notion of a North American Union conspiracy.

Thanks.

general macarthur
Where does it say that? I know the passage about tattoos (or markings), but I haven't seen anywhere about piercings.

North American Union
I have seen other posters here talk about the "North American Union". One had a source. And that source was just a U.S. government site that talked about economic integration, not political ingegration like with the E.U.

I pity the fool
Morris is a shrewd political lackey, George Will is a conservative statesman. Both have written about fundamental weaknesses with Thompson's candidacy this week, and the popular reply seems to be that these guys are really just lefties.

Though that may be true of Morris--who really knows?--George Will's opinions on the Iraq War and campaign finance laws hardly make him a "liberal."

one fish two fish
I agree. I don't see dismissing his article with and ad-hominem "liberal" charge.

However, I note that this is the third Towhnhall hit piece on Fred in a short period of time. I'm not claiming some big, clandestine conspiracy or anything. But, I do find the relationship between politicians and punditry very interesting. It's an integral part of the whole process.

For the real politics junkies, it's fun to track who is carrying who's water, and who has it in for who.

No More
WE have had seven years so far of a president who doesn't KNOW very much. We can't afford another such.

SandMan
You seem a little confused. Let me help you figure this out. "Northeastern elitist snobs" are smart. So is George Will. That's what they have in common.

Give me Fred
I'll take Fred over the other candidates any day. We have gun grabbin' Rudy who loves illegal aliens, sanctuary cities and abortions. We have Mitt who came up with a plan that FORCED people to buy health insurance and believes "assault wapons" should be outlawed and McCain - don't get me started on him. Listing his deficiencies would take pages.

I fully support Fred and would love to see him run with Duncan Hunter or Huckabee. Now THAT would be a ticket that could beat Hillary/Obama.

Give me Mike Huckabee and Duncan Hunter!
Let Fred think about it some more. I'm afraid he's a creature of political packaging.

I was enthusiastic about Fred Thompson entering the race last Spring. Then I realized that the words coming out of his mouth sounded as though they were scripted for him. It dawned on me that perhaps his politically savy wife may be the one in that marriage who really wants the White House.

Excuse my cynicism, but I can't help thinking that way when I see Mary Matalin onboard. I can only think - hmmm - Rockefeller Republican. Been there, done that, got the T shirt, the bumper sticker...don't want to go that way again!

The two viable Conservative candidates that seem to be the "real deal" are Mike Huckabee and Duncan Hunter.

Is that realy a voting issue for you?
Did someone in this forum actually say that they needed to vote for someone who wouldn't let gays serve openly in the military? In 2007? Realy?

Did someone here actually give this as a valid "concern" in America today? We have an economy in hock to the Chinese. People can't afford health care. We are about to experience a huge brain drain in the work force due to retirement. We are forced to buy dangerous/poisonous products from the third world because that's ALL the stores stock and this poster is concerned about gays being able to simply talk about their personal lives at work, THE SAME WAY THEIR STRAIGHT COUNTERPARTS ARE ABLE TO DO!

No wonder the GOP/conservative group is losing members.

All packaging and no substance
As a Republican and a Hollywood producer, I've run into Fred Thompson a number of times and here are my thoughts on the man. He's not a particularly great actor or politician. He's good act acting when her plays a politician and he's good at campaigning when he's basically "acting the part." Reagan was great at acting the part of the folksy American, riding horses and chopping wood, but with Reagan it wasn't acting. He genuinely loved corny old-fashioned, folksy Americana. Watching Thompson's campaign "launch" I can't help but think this guy looks like he would much rather be back on the set of LAW AND ORDER where he only has to act for a few hours out the week than acting a part for 24/7 for the next year of his life and possibly the next 5 years. A political biographer once said the only thing that every First Lady has in common is they're all miserable. Fred Thompson reminds me of a reluctant First Lady who can't wait for it all to be over so he can go home. Think Bess Truman.

Mitt and forced insurance
Darwin

How can you be so worked up over Mitt's plan that FORCED people to buy health insurance? We FORCE people to buy auto insurance every day (don't tell me you can just choose not to drive because that's nonsense). The currently practiced alternative is to FORCE hospitals and doctors to take care of freeloaders who could afford insurance but have CHOSEN to shift the burden of their costs to the insured (which of course, raises the costs for the insured)

Mitt's plan works and the remarkable part is that it's actually a NEW IDEA. The beauty of new ideas is that they aren't compromises.

McCain is the champion of the compromise and for his willingness to surrender ground our country suffers (gang of 15, McCain-Fiengold, etc?).

Romney has the ability to find new ways to solve our common problems. Not having to compromise in order to get that done is the most compelling reason to chose him as our next president.

Fred is a flash in the pan candidate!
Mr. Will's article was helpful. I don't know that much about Fred Thompson's record in the Senate except that he has had a reputation for laziness. This sounds like a person who wants position for power not for progress. I'm sorry but I am not willing to give him power again so he can coast or make poor decisions for the country. He hasn't a clue how to run a campaign much less a country. Fred has already lost in my view.
At all cost we must stop the Hillary machine! I think that Gulliani or Romney can do just that, however, I trust Romney more in the use of power. Like Gulianni, he has a proven record for energy, vitality, and getting things done. However, I like Romney's positions, he will appoint right thinking judges, will look out for the country (secure our borders and fight terriorists) and he DOES look presidential! Romney will go all the way and he is an excellent debater to face that equivocating lawyer, Hillary Clinton.
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