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Thursday, March 22, 2007
George Will :: Townhall.com Columnist
Regulating Interior Designers
by George Will
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PHOENIX -- In the West, where the deer and the antelope used to play, the spirit of "leave us alone" government used to prevail. But governments of Western states are becoming more like those elsewhere, alas.

Consider the minor -- but symptomatic -- matter of the government-abetted aggression by "interior designers" against mere "decorators," or against interior designers whom other interior designers wish to demote to the status of decorators. Some designers think decorators should be a lesser breed without the law on its side.

Those categories have blurry borders. Essentially, interior designers design an entire space, sometimes including structural aspects; decorators have less comprehensive and more mundane duties -- matching colors, selecting furniture, etc.

In New Mexico, anyone can work as an interior designer. But it is a crime, punishable by a fine of up to $1,000 and up to a year in prison, to list yourself on the Internet or in the Yellow Pages as, or to otherwise call yourself, an "interior designer" without being certified as such. Those who favor this censoring of truthful commercial speech are a private group that controls, using an exam administered by a private national organization, access to that title.

This is done in the name of "professionalization," but it really amounts to cartelization. Persons in the business limit access by others -- competitors -- to full participation in the business.

Being able to control the number of one's competitors, and to dispense the pleasure of status, is nice work if you can get it, and you can get it if you have a legislature willing to enact "titling laws." They regulate -- meaning restrict -- the use of job descriptions. Such laws often are precursors of occupational licensing, which usually means a mandatory credentialing process to control entry into a profession with a particular title.

In Nevada, such regulation has arrived. So in Las Vegas, where almost nothing is illegal, it is illegal -- unless you are licensed, or employed by someone licensed -- to move, in the role of an interior designer, any piece of furniture, such as an armoire, more than 69 inches tall. A Nevada bureaucrat says that "placement of furniture" is an aspect of "space planning" and therefore is regulated -- restricted to a "registered interior designer."

Placing furniture without a license? Heaven forfend. Such regulations come with government rationing of the right to practice a profession. Who benefits? Creating artificial scarcity of services raises the prices of those entitled to perform the services. The pressure for government-created scarcity is intensifying because the general public -- rank amateurs -- are using the Internet to purchase things and advice, bypassing designers.

What has happened in Las Vegas will not stay there. It will come to Arizona, and to other states that do not already have it, unless the likes of Robert Lashua and Lynne Breyer succeed in turning back the minority of this state's interior designers who are trying to erect barriers to entry into that profession.

Lashua and Breyer have the help of the Arizona chapter of the Institute for Justice, libertarian litigators with many successes in resisting such "rent-seeking." That phrase denotes the practice of using public power to confer private advantage -- generally, getting government to impose a regulatory hardship on your competitors.

It is not true that businesses, as a matter of principle, want to fend off government regulation. Businesses have a metabolic urge to make money, which is as it should be. But when a compliant government gives them the opportunity to use government regulations to enhance their moneymaking, businesses' metabolic urge will overpower any principles about the virtues of free (from government intervention) enterprise.

Commercial interests solicit regulations to obtain commercial advantage, as with titling laws. Such laws are instances of rent-seeking.

Beyond the banal economic motive for such laws, they also involve a more bizarre misuse of government. They assuage the status anxieties of particular groups by giving them the prestige, such as it is, that comes from government recognition as a certified profession.

But government licenses professions to protect the public and ensure quality. It licenses engineers and doctors because if their testable skills are deficient, bridges collapse and patients die. The skills of interior designers are neither similarly measurable nor comparably disastrous when deficient. Perhaps designers could show potential clients a portfolio of their work and government could trust the potential clients to judge. Just a thought.

Thomas Hobbes thought that liberties "depend on the silence of the law." From lawmakers here, and everywhere else, more silence on the matter of titles would be welcome.

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Interior Design Legislation
Read the research paper by the Institute for Justice called Designing Cartels to learn why regulating interior designers is wrong.

http://www.ij.org/publications/other/designing-cartels.html


Interior Design Legislation
George Will is right on target.

Trade organizations such as ASID (the primary sponsor of this legislation) already do an excellent job via their certification programs of informing the public as to the qualifications of their interior designers members.

There is absolutely no need for the government to be involved in trying to certify and regulate interior designers. It will only confuse the consumer and be used by so called "certified" interior designers in their marketing efforts against those that they feel are "uncertified".


Response: George: Reg. Intr. Designers
George:

Your article shows that you are not qualified to speak on the matter, it is poorly researched, or you have been misinformed on regulating Interior Designers. It does not go to the heart and core of the issues. Interior Designers are not requesting the change in the name of Interior Decorator...they can continue to practice Decorating as they do, but Interior Designers should be required to be licensed. Over the past 75 years Professional Interior Designers and the Profession have been evolving and expanding into issues of Health,Life and Safety, Green/Sustaining issues that affect the General Public. Although we are not providing actual construction services- we require a working knowledge of what is good construction and the elements of walls, doors, floors, ceilings, electrical/tele/data, plumbing, HVAC. A Project incorporates important elements of Programming, Space Planning, Conceptual Design Development, Interior Design Drawings and specifications, Budgets/ Bidding/Purchasing, Furniture Furnishings, and following through on the Administration of the project. It is a daunting task of coordination. The result if performed professionally a positive environment for people to work,play and live in. That is why it requires the education and regulation of well qualified Interior Designers.

Take for example the offices that you occupy it was probably accomplished by Professional Interior Designers. If you look around you and see all the elements that surround you, and take for granted, because they have been incorporated to make you feel comfortable in the space you occupy.

A little history- Architects used to perform all the Professional disciplines of Architecture, Engineering and Interior Design in former Centuries....during the greater part of the 20th Century, they were for the most part not trained in, did not care about, or chose not to perform those services. When the Engineers decided to become a Profession the Architects fought them tooth and nail to prevent them to be licensed for the very reasons we are sparring with them today. The Engineers finally prevailed in their fight over many years. After the Second World War Interior Designers saw the need to be professionally trained in all of the aspects of what goes into an Interior. Universities and Colleges that provided degrees in Architecture did not even offer the courses and training for Interior Design and what goes into an Interior Environment. It was discounted as unimportant and as "Decorative". It wasn't until the early 1970's during a time that Architects were hungry for new projects in Architecture that they saw that the Interior Design Projects were lucrative and so they began to hire Interior Designers and develop departments and secondary firms to stay in business. It was at that time Architects began the insidious process of lobbying and trying to legislate to limit the practice of Interior Design and to incorporate the services that Interior Designers perform into the practice of Architecture so that only Architects could perform those Services. In many States today there are Bills before their respective legislatures trying to limit or recapture what we do as a Profession. That is the crux of the issue for licensing Interior Designers.

I suggest you go back to the drawing board and have a dialog with some of the Interior Design Professional Organizations, and then with that new found knowledge write another article that is in support of Interior Design legislation.


Wayne ...wmarcus@wmdiny.com

BrianR diatribe
Why is it that liberals are constitutionally incapable of making a civil argument? Calling George Will a "moron" because you disagree with his opinion is the kind of tantrum language one expects to see on YouTube.

BrianR, you would be lucky to have a fraction of Will's intellect. There's no hope of your having any of his maturity.

Response to George Will Article
Dear George,

As someone that has often admired your work and in depth point of view, I am finding myself at a loss for understanding your motives and even questioning my own opinion about the quality of your journalistic capabilities. I need to know why you have chosen to attack the profession of Interior Design in papers all over the country with such a vengeance with your syndicated "Designer Cartel", et al piece yesterday.

In Journalism 101 I learned that doing research to understand the issue you are writing about seemed to be the most important first step a writer can do... You did not seem to have taken that first step before you choose to write about an important built-environment profession which your article shows you to know very little about...

Actually George, I am insulted that you chose to lash out at a profession that I love and I know from personal experience deeply affects people's lives every day. I have spent my entire 25 year career dedicated to designing safe, functional and effective healthcare interior environments in the US and recently in the Middle East. I work directly with other qualified licensed professionals like Doctors, Nurses, Architects, Engineers and General Contractors to design proper and innovative spaces to better serve a rapidly changing industry and select and specify safe, appropriate and lastly "attractive" materials and furnishings that will help to improve the outcomes for patients in hospitals and seniors in nursing homes.

Ask your self; would you want a non-qualified non-educated person planning the space layout and selecting the materials for the interiors of the hospital you may need to have emergency surgery in someday? Based on the premise in your article - with no regulation or educational requirements to stop you - YOU could call yourself an "Interior Designer" and be hired by an unknowing client that might trust your "fancy name and glossy marketing information" to do exactly that. If there are no state approved licenses or certifications for clients to make educated decisions to choose their built environment professionals by, how do they know the difference?

George, do you think YOU should be allowed to design a school, library, hotel, church, etc.? Is the public safe if YOU do?

In states without regulation anyone with "flair" can call themselves a "Decorator" or an "Interior Designer". How does the public know the difference?

One issue you got right is that it is our profession's position that registration or licensure of interior designers is in the public's best interest, as it ensures that only educated, tested and qualified individuals design interior spaces or hold themselves out as qualified to do so. All other built environment professionals have licenses, Architects, Engineers, Landscape Architects and the contractors that build the buildings we design have licenses. We think Interior Designers should too and so do our clients.

If Interior Design services are not legislated and regulated as a profession - if there is a serious problem with designs these "amateurs with flair" do, who is it that stops this unqualified person from possibly creating dangerous inappropriate environments again with another client by removing their right to practice legally – the government has no authority with no regulation? George, your Barber has a license to cut your hair... shouldn't your Emergency Room Interior Designer have one too?

Since you need some education on the matter, if you have the time, there is plenty of great evidenced based research on the effects of the environment on healthcare outcomes now available from organizations like the Center for Health Design http://www.healthdesign.org, the Society for the Advancement of Gerontological Environments http://www.sagefederation.org/ Coalition for Healthcare Research http://www.healthdesign.org/CHER/.

Even the Federal governments own definition separates what an interior designer and decorator can do in their scope of work and what training and regulations may be applicable to them. http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos293.htm

George, you know a lot about baseball, but it seems you need to be "educated" about Interior Designers and what they do and I'd like to take you out on a tour of just a "few" important buildings that Licensed and Certified Interior Designers are doing and have done that are right in your home town of Washington DC...

Sadly - It seems you haven't even noticed that the City of Washington DC has some of the best interior environments that the US Interior Design profession has to offer or did you know that those calling themselves Interior Designers in Washington DC need to be licensed to do so, a good thing for you – if that emergency room visit I spoke about has to happen at home!

You cannot tell me in your role as "Man about Washington", that you have not been in the many award winning Federal buildings that are important to housing our government agencies and institutions we all depend on?


How about the various US embassies that represent the world's connection to the US that are often designed by US design firms with US Interior Designers as an important part of the team...


Did you know that the Federal Government seeks out only Licensed and Certified design professionals to work on all of their buildings around the world, to ensure that the US citizens are getting the best people with the most education and skills to bring leading edge innovation and high standards of design to the design process? Did you know that there is a GSA Design Excellence program for federally funded buildings and that Interior Designers are seen as one of the key professional groups contributing to improving these public facilities? http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/channelView.do?pageTypeId=8195&channelId=-12885

Did you know that qualified Interior Designers participated in writing the International Building Code (IBC) and the AIA Guidelines for the Construction of Healthcare Facilities? All buildings Use the IBC, all Hospitals use the AIA Guidelines.

I could show you the state of the art Washington Hospital Center ER One project that Barbara Heulet, a Licensed Interior Designer in DC is working on and the $100 million plus addition and renovation of Holy Cross Hospital in Silver Spring MD that my firm just completed that now births over 7000 babies a year in the Washington DC area! In fact the Mid-Atlantic area has some of the world’s best hospitals... they are all designed by qualified licensed Interior Designers. I know the leaders of these healthcare institutions and they would love to educate you about what they need from their design professionals to make sure their facilities are safe and effective for their patients and staff. They depend on regulated professionals be held accountable for what they know and do.

I can also show you the international business headquarters, high quality restaurants and retailing centers all around you in DC for which MD, VA & DC Licensed Interior Designers were involved in making them better buildings and environments for everyone that uses them.

All these of these buildings and developments are not just part of the economics, health safety and welfare of the Metropolitan DC area, but also influence our country, as the nation's capitol should set a high design standard for all US cities and the world.

So George, call me when you are ready to take the tour... and while we are at it, I can make arrangements for you to meet the key leaders of our Interior Design professional organizations to learn more about us from them - all of which are headquartered right in DC. It's a shame you didn’t know they where right in your backyard and you could have easily visited them to research your article before you wrote it. See http://www.asid.org, http://www.iida.org, http://www.aahid.org for more information.

Andrea V. Hyde, ASID, AAHID, Maryland Certified Interior Designer
President
Hyde, Inc. Interior Design
Baltimore, MD

From a Former CPA
It is like with CPAs. It used to be that a CPA was a respected designation. Then the AICPA began to try to restrict entry into the profession. They wanted CPAs to be as respected as lawyers. They squeezed so many prospective accountants out, it created a market for alternative certification: Certified Management Accountants, Certifed Internal Auditors, Certified Fraud Examiners, Certified Financial Planners. Now, who even knows one CPA. The whole designation is obsolete and anachronistic. So, soon in New Mexico you will have Certified Drape Hangers, Certified Furniture Arrangers, Certified Paint Color Choosers. Certified New Mexican Hosers.

BrainR
You suffer from a sense of bloated professionalism. It's a sign of our bureaucratic society. In my profession you would be the kind of person who would only do buisness with someone who has a lot of degrees and or certifications. I suppose you would only sub contract with someone who had a room one full of certs -in the meantime they would charge you $500 an hour for the honor.

This same disease has plagued Germany for centuries. Look at thier economy or lack thereof. They ave hundreds of thousands of unemployed certified "professionals".

In my line of work, which is extremely competitive, you can either do the work or you can't. Professional certifications mean nothing.

cosmetologists
We require hairdressers, aka. cosmetologists to be certified and licensed. They must know about such things as how to give a proper haircut, which ones will look best on a particular client, and last but not least, how to prevent cross infection from client to client. I mean, such things as lice, fungal infection, staph infection. Licensed cosmetologists must know how to stop the spread of these by completing a proper training course where they learn about the sterilization of instruments before use and display certification that they have had this training and have licensure. This is not market protection, it's public protection. I see no reason to expect less from interior designers. Designers, by name have influence in the layout of the structure. Therefore, they should have some identifiable education to back up the opinions that they bring.
Just my two cents,
screeb

Regulating Interior Designers
It's BrianR and others similarly misled doing the yammering. Public licensure has traditionally had to meet the standard of a "safeguard of life, health, and property, and to promote the public welfare." That is why we license doctors, airplane pilots and engineers; but not retail clerks, gardeners and fashion consultants.

In addition, these are all title statues - protecting the name, not describing or protecting a scope of practice. This is clearly turf building, and not remotely in the public welfare.

George Will has it right again.

Regulating Interior Designers
It's BrianR and others similarly misled doing the yammering. Public licensure has traditionally had to meet the standard of a "safeguard of life, health, and property, and to promote the public welfare." That is why we license doctors, airplane pilots and enngineers; but not retail clerks, gardeners and fashion consultants.

In addition, these are all title statues - protecting the name, not describing or protecting a scope of practice. This is clearly turf building, and not remotely in the public welfare.

George Will has it right again.

Licensed furniture placement???
I think that's where the real issue comes in. Yes, IDs should have specialized skills if they're actually designing structures, but in most cases, that's not what they're doing and there's the problem. The best designed office space I ever worked in was built by a roofing contractor who followed the administrative staff around for two days asking us inane questions like "How high should the keyboard be?" I don't think he had any credentialing in furniture placement, but he designed a great, sunny, attractive, ergonomic space simply by asking us what we thought would work. The interior designer who conceived of the front lobby of my agency's new building created a lovely sunlit space with a marginally useless reception area and a mailroom that was so small we had to relocate it. I'm serious! It's the only mailroom in history with its own foyer. Thank goodness additional office space was found for the Executive Assistant (boss of the the reception staff) so we could use her huge former office as the new mailroom.

Regulation of professions can be a good thing (I like my medical professionals and pilots to know what they're doing), but more often than not it needlessly drives up the cost of doing business for the consumer. For instance, in my state, I can hire a heating contractor to install my boiler-furnace and run all the heating distribution, but when it comes time to hook that boiler up to the electrical, I have to hire an electrician, and when it comes time to hook up the domestic water, I have to hire a plumber. The same heating contractor used to do the complete installation 10 years ago and charged two hours for the additional hook-ups. Now, the electrician charges two hours for his work and the plumber charges two hours for his work and both charge more per hour than the heating contractor. And, is my house anymore safe from the additional layer of cost and "professionalism"? Probably not. The heating contractor used the same wire nuts and junction box to connect the boiler to the existing electrical as the electrician will and the soldering for the domestic copper pipes (required because of earthquake country) is exactly the same as for copper heating pipes, so really all I've gotten out of the deal is an extra cost and two additional warranties I really didn't want or need. Now I hear there's a move afoot to require me to also hire a carpenter and a sheet metal company to run the new chimney, even if it will be exactly where the old chimney was. All this costs money -- my money -- and does not add one bit more safety. My town is full of houses that have stood for generations with furnaces put in by competant, but totally uncredentialed homeowners and mostly they don't burn down because of the furnaces.

Now, you tell me that it's illegal for me to hire a handyman to move my armoire from one side of my living room to another. Instead of paying him $50 to move it to where I want it, I have to pay an ID $1500 to determine if that really is the best place for the armoire and then to hire a handyman to move the armoire, and it might not even end up where I want it. Yeah, that makes incredible sense.

NOT!

Brian
Sorry its "profession."

Brian
After 30 years in that discipline, I doubt it. The fact remains however, you missed Mr. Will’s underling point.

Next time don't sell you profesion short.

BrianR
GIGO
Heres is Mr. Will's actual quote
"Those categories have blurry borders. Essentially, interior designers design an entire space, sometimes including structural aspects; decorators have less comprehensive and more mundane duties -- matching colors, selecting furniture, etc."
Found in the third paragraph of his essay. Your premise is all wrong !!!!

You said in one of our smart a$$ posts;
"Further, a qualified interior designer does a lot more than coordinate color swatches and furniture designs. They are qualified to get involved with the technical aspects of writing the construction specification...."

That seems to me to be exactly what Will is saying !!

And, again..in another of your posts;
"I guess I didn't make myself clear
Because several of you seem to buy into the nonsense that all IDs do is choose color swatches and furniture arrangements, a la Will's uninformed column."

Please quote for me the part of Will's column that is uninformed?

Big Iron
BSCE

That's civil engineering to you, dude.

I simplified it for those not familiar with the construction disciplines. Evidently you fall into that category.

Brian
Well, one of us missed the point. Construction engineering degree, what’s that another name for construction (constipated) management? Only in California.

Teacher certification
denies business people, artists, and/or technicians who are experts in their fields from ever teaching under contract in a public school. Teachers become certified by taking required courses in usually the weakest curriculum any college or university offers and then applying for a state to certify hours acquired. If one is enrolled in the program(s), the college or u. itself will make the state application itself.
My question is can ordinary people move the armoire 69 inches without ID certification in their own homes and offices and who is to know the difference?

Big Iron
Evidently you missed the part of my post where I also mentioned I'm a construction engineer. That's my college degree. That was also the point of my post; even being an engineer I still had to take the test for my GC license.

Evidently, that all flew right over your head.

However, putting your mindless diatribe aside, you wrote "Interior designers have their place but not in structural design work etc. etc." Well, Big Iron, I hate to break it to you, but out here in California IDs do, indeed, do structural design work on TIs, and are qualified to do so with the proper education and certification.

I also found the anti-education aspect of your post fascinating. I'm not exactly sure what to make of that. Are you a Luddite?

Anyway, thanks for writing an "interesting" post to me. I appreciate it, I'm sure.




Brian
Ok Brian, so you’re an incensed licensed contractor and you passed an exam. Big deal, anyone ever seen the test to become a general contractor? I have and boy, are they complicated. Top line question: A x B x C = volume. Licensed contractors are a dime a dozen and 90% of their design work fall under the heading of OOPS. If I had all the red tags I’ve issued on “Licensed Contractors’ work, I’d have enough to wall paper a living room wall.

FYI, I’ve had to work with “General Contractors” that didn’t know the difference between live and dead loads had no idea how to compute volumes saw no reason to not use fill areas (under the project) as trash dumps and others that thought Ohms law was chicken feathers.

Brian, you may have read the article but if you did you dismissed Mr. Will’s underling assertion which is “there are professions the licensing of which are not in the public’s best interest.” Personally, I would take it one step further and say “there are also college degrees in this area of expertise which are bogus i.e. Construction Management.”

Interior designers have their place but not in structural design work etc. etc. In my field you will not find an Interior Designer developing blue prints nor will you find some numb nut with a bogus degree in Construction Management in a position of design authority.

BrainR makes a point
But it is not actually relevant.

It does seem that an ID can and should have some skills that are relevant to safety issues. But he does not explain how furniture placement, the item singled out by Will in the article, is one of them.

If the law required you to be an ID in order to "write the interiors portion of the construction specification for projects", you could at least argue that there was a pressing societal need to ensure safety. But what need is there for an ID with this skill set when you are deciding where to put a chest of drawers?

I am free to put it wherever I want but cannot ask a friend for advice lest they be fined?

It may have been the intent of the legislature to require IDs where "Space Planning" meant laying out walls. But the bureaucrats just have to grab more authority and over-reach.


Abe Lincoln couldn't practice today...
It is one thing to say that you have got to be certified by some profession and perhaps take a test and buy a license. What is going on in the legal profession right now is something else entirely -- you have got to attend an ABA-approved law school in order to even *take* the test.

As a result, those who could already pass the bar exam must sit through (and pay for) law school. At the same time, what percentage of those who do graduate flunk the bar exam???

Back to the Middle Ages!
Now!

Guilds and their restrictions... maybe George didn't have enough to do today. 'Twas ever thus, and the reasons aren't all, um, unreasonable. This is hardly a fundamental issue of Constitutional rights.

Actually, I think BrianR is right about the need for IDs to be certified, given what a knowledgeable person expects to hire them for.

Will seems to be conflating Nevada's silliness (no moving of overhigh furniture for you, decorators!) with an appropriate level of professional certification.

I wouldn't hire anyone but a guy with a waist truss to help me move furniture. Can do that myself. If I hire an ID, it will be because I want to make structural changes to an interior space and consult over my preferences for livability and functionality, and what that will mean in terms of space design. I'll expect the ID to have useful professional relationships with architects and engineers.

It's the decorator I don't need, except for things like having an "in" with wholesalers and antique dealers.

Our current system of professional certifications is assuredly imperfect -- nurse practitioners and PAs could probably be licensed to do more than doctors prefer, for one example. But I can't get worked up about it. On balance, it probably does more good than harm.

Abraham Lincoln, Esq.
Abe was a self-taught, unlicensed lawyer. He did okay.

I am/was a Registered Professional Engineer in two states. The license is a credential, but not a guarantee, of qualification.

We Americans go overboard in restricting competition via unnecessary registrations, just as George Will says. I'd use an ID from a friend's recommendation before an imaginary qualification.

a single swallow doth not a summer make
Nor does having passed a test once upon a time and paid for a license guarantee competence. There have been internationally lauded and fully-licensed Architects who've designed and built undeniably pretty, but impractical buildings full of leaks and structural failures (FLW, for one), Interior Designers who never worked in a real office, physicians who exceed their level of competence (any MD who's completed a single year of internship can legally hang out his shingle to perform brain surgery. Whether you choose one with Neurosurgery boards is up to you.)

If Interior Designers wish to set themselves up as unique holders of competence in their field, I don't see anybody stopping them from taking out a full-page ad in Architectural Digest proclaiming that to be the case. But adding another layer of 'consumer protection' is the province of those who think People Are Too Stupid To Make Their Own Decisions. Thanks, but no thanks. Caveat Emptor. That warning applies to snooty designers with fancy licenses, too.

I guess I didn't make myself clear
Because several of you seem to buy into the nonsense that all IDs do is choose color swatches and furniture arrangements, a la Will's uninformed column.

Let me clear that up for you -- again.

Qualified IDs can and do write the interiors portion of the construction specification for projects. That means that they must be familiar with codes addressing seismic, fire, and health/safety/welfare issues. They must be versed on product performace and design criteria, on products that are structural elements of the project. On many TIs, they are the only design professional involved in the project, i.e. no architect.

Though educated as an engineer, I still had to take the test to get my license as a general contractor. Using the logic Will employs, that's a waste of time, as anyone who can drive a nail should be able to follow a set of blueprints and build a skyscraper.

Right?

And BTW, those blueprints are, in many cases, developed by...

wait for it ...

Interior designers, particularly on TIs!

To BrianR
Sorry; I agree with WJ. Voluntary but not forced.

Union rules.
Free enterprise is great, unless you're a worker looking for a boost in prestige and income. Remember the bad old days (they may still be bad old days in NYC) when you had to have a union card to move a convention display from your car to the convention hall, another union card to set the thing up inside the building, and, third, be a card-carrying electrician to plug the light cord into the outlet? Same thing here, simple turf battles, no matter how some nanny-stater wishes to justify it. They point to other licensing absurdities as reasons why it's necessary here, too. There are those (beauticians) who would have competing hair-braiders go through the whole course.

Want a lah-de-dah certified Interior Designer, Dahling? Then hire one. Have no confidence in your own good taste, and want a little cheaper advice? Call Bruce-the-Decorator. If IDs do a better job, they'll get more business. REAL simple concept.

Certification
Because who chooses the furniture and draperies for a room is not usually a health-threatening matter, Will has chosen to use that line of work to ridicule state regulation of professions (state regulation of anything at all is guaranteed to make conservatives see red). Let's arrange jobs on a continuum and move down the continuum a bit to, say, hair-dressers. State regulation gives us some assurance that the goo they put on our scalps won't turn our hair blue or make it fall out. How about registered dietitians vs nutritionists? Dietitians must have a relevant college degree and must pass a state exam, while a "nutritionist" can be anybody---no need to know even the Five Food Groups let alone what a diabetic can eat or that consuming large amounts of alfalfa will not be likely to cure your cancer. Now, keep moving along that continuum until you come to "psychotherapist". Would you like to hang out your shingle today, advertising to treat schizophrenia or sexual dysfunction or panic disorders for a large fee? Go right ahead, because as long as you don't claim to be a psychiatrist, psychologist, or clinical social worker, you are perfectly welcome to be a "psychotherapist"---the only place you will run into trouble will be if you try to get paid by an insurance company, currently the only regulator: with no training or credential, you may freely intervene in the lives of troubled folks for cash payment in any amount you can get away with.

So far on our continuum we have seen that without state regulation of professions we are at risk not just of wasting our money by hiring charlatans. We can be harmed by them. Eventually we arrive at the medical professions, and I greatly doubt that Will would want to go to a doctor who claims to be a doctor but isn't really a doctor.

State regulation of professions didn't come to be because Democrats wanted to hassle Republicans, but because the public was being hurt by charlatans and because charlatans were getting rich by hurting people. That's two bad things.

Interior Designers and Consultants
A consultant has been described as a man who knows 1,000 ways to get a date but doesn't know any women.

An interior designer is a person who knows 1,000 ways to set up my office but has never done a lick of work in an office, nor does she know anybody who has.

I worked for a firm in Atlanta that was taken over by a large national firm, and when they decided to move us into new offices, they hired an ID to set them up. She set up the secretarial pods (I forget what they're called, but we call them pods) so that half of them were for right-handed people and half for left-handed people; this was necessary so the printers could be in the middle and they only had to buy half as many. This also meant, of course, that about 2/3 of the staff were sitting at ergonomically damaging desks. For only one example (I am left handed), a desk set up for a left handed person has the telephone, the mouse pad, and the calculator on the left side. That means the desk space is larger on that side than it is on the right side. It also has the lamp (bolted down) on the left side, to cast light correctly for a left handed person.

The desks were built into the superstructure and could not be moved. They were built for people who write with pens, not people who use computers and (at that time) typewriters. Therefore they were too high. In order to work the mouse, for example, I had to extend my arm in a way Hitler would have recognized. This put great stress on my shoulder. The ID also bolted artistic, inadequate lamps INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE BOLTED DOWN MAILBOXES. That means, of course, that we could not use our mailboxes and had to put cardboard boxes on the ledge next to them for the mail room to drop off our mail. The lamps were shaped so much like flying saucers that many of them began to blossom with rows of little windows and artistic domed tops; and the bulbs burned out about every three days.

And in the two-floor multi-office design there was not one single coat closet. Not one.

After a month of the ID screaming at us that we were all "high maintenance", the firm was forced to bring in ergonomics specialists and have the pods redesigned so that the people who had to spend 12 hours a day (it's a law firm) at their desks would not be spending five days a month on sick leave. They also hired massage therapists to come in once a week to deal with the muscle strain occasioned by the poorly designed desks, unbolted the lamps and bought new chairs that could be raised to a comfortable height for working -- and tall footstools for our dangling feet. These led to more foot and ankle injuries, not to mention trip and falls.

The problem with Interior Designers is that they don't work with the things they design. Much like those fashion designers who clearly have never seen a naked woman in person -- else they would realize we have thighs, buttocks and breasts.

Interior Designers should be relegated to drawing pictures and building movie sets. Give me a committee of the people who are going to use the space and I'll give you a great design.

I agree with WJ
Certification can and in some cases, probably should, be offered by professional organizations (note: not gummit). As a consumer, I have a choice of whether to hire someone certified or not.

Ain't free enterprise great?


To Brian R - no need for govt law
Brian R argues that this regulation of interior designers is an appropriate area for the govt. I disagree completely.

The govt, by the enforcement of law, has no business in this area. That does not mean that there can be no self-regulation or certifying bodies in the private sector.

However ASID and IIDA organize themselves and hand out certification is their business. You, as a consumer, can check to see if your interior designer is certified by one of these groups. You, as a consumer, should also have the CHOICE to hire an interior designer that does not have these certifications if you so chose.

But again, the govt should NOT be able via jail time and/or fines say what a person who calls himself an interior designer may or may not do.

This applies to most professions.

Manumission in Las Vegas
Nevada, here I come. It's the Land of Liberty. Why, every time my wife asks me to move this or that piece of furniture. I can demur, pointing out that I am not licensed to do that. Free at last. Free at last.

States' Rights
If memory serves, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled in 2003 that states cannot regulate private sexual conduct such as sodomy (Lawrence & Garner v. Texas). Thank heavens our state legislatures can still regulate important, socially significant behaviors such as furniture placement.

BrianR
I'm not with you on the whole GW issue, but on this we are in complete agreement (hope that doesn't change your mind ;)

BrianR
Wow, I sense a lot of hostility here. Not sure why. I think Mr. Will made his point pretty clearly--we license doctors and engineers (like you?) because there is a demonstrable down side to incompetence...people can die from their mistakes. Just because he didn't also mention pilots is no reason for you to throw in that gratuitous remark. Nor did his failure to mention architects have any bearing on the argument. No matter what you said about the wonderful skills and exacting education requirements of interior designers, you haven't shown how requiring an interior designer to move or supervise the moving of furniture helps protect the public against anything but an interior designer with bad taste.


Pappy Mike
You, apparently, don't get it any better than Will.

Professional IDs do, indeed, have skills that are recognizeable, quantifiable, and certifiable.

But that's okay; I don't want to burst your bubble. I'm sure you'd also be happy to fly in an airplane piloted by some guy who was never tested, also.

Second Time Around?

This very same issue with Interior Designers came up about eight years ago, in the very same manner the author describes.

So who is gonna protect us from all the evil, unlicensed Decorators and Designers? Gub'mint of course.

Nevada legislators, wake up and have some coffee before you impose ridicuous laws upon the people.

BS. AGAIN Will doesn't know what he's
yammering about.

I'm a construction engineer. I work for a construction products manufacturing firm (a multi-national). I call on Architectural and Interior Design firms for a living.

First of all, there are certification programs, as well as university curricula, that lead to the "Interior Designer" designation. There are professiona, organizations, notably ASID (American Society of Interior Desogners) and IIDA (International Interior Designers Association) that also offer courses, as well as CE (continuing education) programs and certification.

Further, a qualified interior designer does a lot more than coordinate color swatches and furniture designs. They are qualified to get involved with the technical aspects of writing the construction specification, especially in TIs (tenant improvements), in which they may be the only professional retained by the client to supervise the project.

If you were having a project built, I would assume you'd hire the most capable people around to manage the expenditure of your not inconsiderable construction dollars. That means you would seek out a qualified architect, and/or interior designer.

BTW, Will, you moron. Why do you think architects are required to have professional certification and credentials?

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