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Wednesday, November 29, 2006
George Will :: Townhall.com Columnist
Jim Webb is not what Washington needs more of
by George Will
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WASHINGTON -- That was certainly swift. Washington has a way of quickly acculturating people, especially those who are most susceptible to derangement by the derivative dignity of office. But Jim Webb, Democratic senator-elect from Virginia, has become a pompous poseur and an abuser of the English language before actually becoming a senator.

Wednesday's Washington Post reported that at a White House reception for newly elected members of Congress, Webb ``tried to avoid President Bush,'' refusing to pass through the reception line or have his picture taken with the president. When Bush asked Webb, whose son is a Marine in Iraq, ``How's your boy?'' Webb replied, ``I'd like to get them (sic) out of Iraq.'' When the president again asked, ``How's your boy?'' Webb replied, ``That's between me and my boy.'' Webb told the Post:

``I'm not particularly interested in having a picture of me and George W. Bush on my wall. No offense to the institution of the presidency, and I'm certainly looking forward to working with him and his administration. (But) leaders do some symbolic things to try to convey who they are and what the message is.''

Webb certainly has conveyed what he is: a boor. Never mind the patent disrespect for the presidency. Webb's more gross offense was calculated rudeness toward another human being -- one who, disregarding many hard things Webb had said about him during the campaign, asked a civil and caring question, as one parent to another. When -- if ever -- Webb grows weary of admiring his new grandeur as a ``leader'' who carefully calibrates the ``symbolic things'' he does to convey messages, he might consider this: In a republic, people decline to be led by leaders who are insufferably full of themselves.

Even before Webb's studied truculence in response to the president's hospitality, Webb was going out of his way to make waves. A week after the election, he published a column in The Wall Street Journal that began this way: ``The most important -- and unfortunately the least debated -- issue in politics today is our society's steady drift toward a class-based system, the likes of which we have not seen since the 19th century. America's top tier has grown infinitely richer and more removed over the past 25 years. It is not unfair to say that they are literally living in a different country.''

Well.

In his novels and his political commentary, Webb has been a writer of genuine distinction, using language with care and precision. But just days after winning an election, he was turning out slapdash prose that would be rejected by a reasonably demanding high school teacher.

Never mind Webb's careless and absurd assertion that the nation's incessantly discussed wealth gap is ``the least debated'' issue in American politics.

And never mind his use of the word ``literally,'' although even with private schools and a large share of the nation's wealth, the ``top tier'' -- whatever cohort he intends to denote by that phrase; he is suddenly too inflamed by social injustice to tarry over the task of defining his terms -- does not ``literally'' live in another country.

And never mind the cavalier historical judgments -- although is he sure that America is less egalitarian today than it was, say, 50 years ago, when only about 7 percent of American adults had college degrees? (Twenty-eight percent do today.) Or 80 years ago, when more than 80 percent of American adults did not have high school diplomas (85 percent have them today), and only about 46 percent owned their own homes, compared with 69 percent today?

But notice, in the second sentence of Webb's column, the word ``literally'' appears, the word ``infinitely.'' Earth to Webb: Words have meanings that not even senators can alter. And he has been elected to be a senator, not Humpty Dumpty in ``Through the Looking Glass.'' (``When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'') America's national economic statistics are excellent; Webb could actually tell us how much richer the ``top tier'' has become, relative to other cohorts, over a particular span. But that would require him to actually say who he is talking about, and that takes time and effort, and senators -- Webb is a natural -- often are too busy for accuracy.

Based on Webb's behavior before being sworn in, one shudders to think what he will be like after that. He already has become what Washington did not need another of, a subtraction from the city's civility and clear speaking.

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Webb truly is a boor, but....
... a majority of voters in his state have who they want representing them: an adolescent who is chronologically an adult.

Webb is a prototypical Democrat who appeals to those who have a problem with controlling impulses and have an overwhelming need for immediate gratification. He's a teenager with and adults' credit card.

The Dems know how to appeal to a majority of voters; give them what they want in the way of indulgences, no matter how damaging. When it comes to life without personal accountability, he'll never say "no".

The party of bread, circus and sex without consequence is now in power. Just hand over your true freedoms whilst having fun, folks, and if it feels good -- do it.


Rumsefeld calls for major change in iraq
George Will should focus on the real issue what to do about Iraq.

http://www.controlcongress.com

In memo, Rumsfeld called for major change in Iraq policy

AJC- NYT-Washington — Two days before he resigned as defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld submitted a classified memo to the White House that acknowledged that the Bush administration’s strategy in Iraq was not working and called for a major course correction.
“In my view it is time for a major adjustment,” wrote Rumsfeld, who has been a symbol of a dogged stay-the-course policy. “Clearly, what U.S. forces are currently doing in Iraq is not working well enough or fast enough.”

Rumsfeld’s memo suggests frustration with the pace of turning over responsibility to the Iraqi authorities and calls for examination of ideas that roughly parallel troop withdrawal proposals presented by some of the White House’s sharpest Democratic critics.

My view

President Bush has lost all credibility about the war in Iraq by not being straight with the American people. I was not for originally going into Iraq unless we had a plan as to how to create a functioning Democracy with three groups that have been killing each other for thousand of years.

Now we are in a catch 22 in what to do in Iraq. If we pull out Shiites who make up about 65% of the Iraq, they will go on an ethnic cleansing campaign of Sunnis which could lead to a regional Civil war in the Middle East. The Shiites will seek control of all of the Middle East. This would lead to complete chaos between all the factions in the Middle East.

That is why we must get regional support of other Middle Eastern Countries to spilt the three groups up in Iraq and hope it will be contained. The only reason other Countries in the Middle East would agree to help is they do not want the cost and disruption of a regional Civil War in the Middle East.


on the "income gap"
One thing I've never heard discussed is that the minumum wage is a huge factor in whatever "income gap" there might be.

Those who have worked hard to be above minimum wage do not retain this increase, when the minimum wage rises. Eg, those who currently make $10/hr, currently have nearly twice the income of those at minimum wage. They will almost certainly NOT be raised to $14 per hour if the wage is raised to $7. In fact, many will not be raised at all, or will get a tiny "compression wage".

All of a sudden, we will have a lot more people earning close to "poverty" wages, while prices will go up to reflect the $2 per hour increase of teens and brand new workers.

Thus, raising minimum wage increases the percentage of people at the "bottom" of the income level.

If the income gap is growing, I would suggest that liberals look to their own policies for the cause, rather than to "selfish" conservatives.

Jim Webb
Senator Webb's myopic approach to difficulties is laced with hatred. An angry batter will have difficulty distinguishing a slider from a curve or a sinker.

OT: Saddam-Justification for Iraq War
FirstSirt wrote:
"Don't let the hyperbole blot out the good that has been done by eliminating a nut with the money and will to harm us real, real bad.

Whether we should or not be there is now irrelevant."

This purely off topic. It does require a response.

The reality is we are there now and it is not irrelevant. I am convinced Bush manipulated and contrived a reason to invade Iraq for the primary purpose of taking out Saddam. I am also convinced that he did it to show his father up.

If Bush was not so motivated to get Saddam, we wouldn't own "it". Colin Powell called it. Now we have a tiger by the tail and don't know how to get away.

The Bush Doctrine, "preemptive strike", is now abandoned, to wit: Iran and North Korea. Sufficient intelligence existed that Iraq had no nuclear weapons capability in the foreseeable future despite the "tubing" and "yellow cake" scams pulled on the American public. The supposed drone delivery system argument was a flat out lie.

Coalition partners monitored Iraq multiple times a day and punished Iraq whenever they "tested" our resolve.

Costs have been horrific in lives, damaged families, morale and money. US's political capital has been completely squandered, terrorists have been emboldened, OBL has survived, and Afghanistan may well be lost.

To suggest that Bush's ultimate argument, getting rid of Saddam is worth all the costs, is valid ignores the costs relative to value.

American Conservative Magazine on the eve of the 2004 election implored readers to vote for Kerry reasoning that Bush was so misguided fiscally and in international relations, there would be irreparable harm inflicted on the conservative cause for generations. They recognized the folly of the Iraq invasion. (Google on "Kerry's the one" Am. Cons. Magazine.)

Even George Will now understands the error of being in Iraq.

The irony is that the Bush administration now needs an iron fisted leader like Saddam to take over in Iraq.

Dear Steve
Do you wish to exchange addresses?

Dear Peppermint
I was a conservative before you were shaving or even born. I am distressed that immature consevatives equate Bush with conservatism. I still remember when the Bush family was the enemy of Ronald Reagan and conservatism in 1980. The Bush family is still the enemy of conservatism.

Partisan Perspective
Net of George Will's criticism of Webb is:
1) Pompous poseur
2) Abuser of language before taking office
3) Boorish behavior
4) Disrespect of the office of the President
5) "Full of himself"

I disagree on all counts. I fully realize that one's response to the Webb-Bush exchange is colored by one's ideology.

My beef with Mr. Will's piece is that it is hypocritical for failure to take to task the following individuals:
1) Pompous poseur: George W. Bush
2) Language abuser: Mr. Bush
3) Boorish behavior: Mr. Cheney
5) Egocentricity: Mr. Bush

As to 4) Disrespect of the office of the Presidenct, Mr. Will confuses disrespect of the individual with disrespect of the office; passionate critics of any president insist that the president, by his actions, disrespects the office. I have no reservations that Jim Webb disrespects George Bush, the individual and not the office.

Mr. Will states the following "Washington has a way of quickly acculturating people, especially those who are most susceptible to derangement by the derivative dignity of office." Pompous speech? I think so.

Acculturation is a neutral verb; it is a process of culture modification. Next Mr. Will states: "[Webb] has become a pompous poseur and an abuser of the English language BEFORE actually becoming a senator." Mr. Will's implication is that a senator, through accultration, becomes a pompous poseur and an abuser of language. I don't think he meant that, but it is a reasonable inference. Not very precise communication Mr. Will.

BTW, Mr. Will's title of the piece ends with a preposition. Does that make him a pompous poseur?

Critics of Webb are spewing anger symptomatic of a child having a hissy fit. It's boorish, non-constructive behavior diminishing your dignity. Webb won. Get over it.

Bountyhunter20
Go ahead, take him.

Don't Get It
I don't take pleasure in posting my opinions on moveon.org. Why is it that so many liberals seem to climax on Townhall.com (even though they get intellectually trounced)? Are the liberal chat sites that lame?

I've NEVER heard of a Republican Congressman refusing to have a picture taken with a Democratic President. You can make all the hubris against Republicans you want...Webb displayed a lack of grace and class, and all those defending him partake of the same lack of character and virtue. As for Bush, I'm glad he called Webb out on a cheap political answer to a genuine question in front of the (Democrat) adoring media.


Webb is not only a boor,
he is a little man(in more than one way). By rudely politicising a reception for his incoming class he demonstrated a deplorable lack of breeding. Perhaps he is the product of the deviant breeding practices of which he writes.

Libs
I just now read through most of the posts and I am laughing myself sick.

Nothing is funnier than seeing lib peaceniks wish that Webb would have slugged POTUS.

But hey,no guts, no glory. Dem libs don't want to fight the terrorists, that might hurt feelings, but for Webb to smack down the President, that is just so OK. So deserving.

The rhetoric is so INSANE that what could one do but laugh and hope these posts are not representing the whole of the democratic party supporters.

That's ok, libbies, we all know you've been so frustrated these past 6 years you can't contain yourselves.



Can We Have Webb For Our Senator?
Since we in the Sucker State are stuck with two losers like Durban and Obama, it sure would be nice to have a nice conservative Senator like Webb. We have not had a real senator since Ev Dirksen. If Virginia does not want him any more, it sure would be great for us to have a Viet Nam Combat Veteran, and Reagan Cabinet Official for our very own.

Webb
was rude period. It doesn't matter whether it was the POTUS or a Virginian.

Would the Virginians want to be treated in this manner if Mr. Webb did not like what they said to him? This is one of your elected officials and with that kind of rude behavior I wonder how he will treat the people of VA.

If he were my senator I would be extremely embarrassed he showed his a** that way.

That kind of rudeness and disrespect would not be an asset I would want in my State representative.

To All the Webb apologists
Many of you have said that because you strongly disagree with Bush, you think Webb would have been justified in punching him. In response, I find your opinions to be extremely odious and thus feel justified in introducing any of you to my friend, Mr 2x4. What goes around comes around.

Spittle and wild, wide eyes
I gotta admit. I love the invective, the spittle dripping from the mouth and the wide eyes with dilated pupils of all of you.

Ain't America a great place?? Oh, by the way, Saddam would have taken all of you...conservative and liberal out back and you know what.

Don't let the hyperbole blot out the good that has been done by eliminating a nut with the money and will to harm us real, real bad.

Whether we should or not be there is now irrelevant.

And, the good news is that all of us hard core libs and conservatives did not swing the election. It was the 26% of the voters who were independent. They can just as easily swing back the other way if the Webbs of the world don't do their job. It's all just rock and roll.

Solis you are an idiot
When did Bush run around personally attacking and badmouthing Webb?

Please post links for when that has been happening.

Well, thats EXACTLY what Leahy did to Cheney in the weeks leading up to that incident. Then Leahy acts as if they are old pals - THATS a hypocrite.

You are just a partisan tool like your friends at the NYT.

I am sure it was *imperative* they leak an internal memo that would hurt Bush's foreign relations with Iraq. No it wasn't imperative, it was a petty act by petty minds. Much like you defending the crybaby Webb.

So when are the troops coming back from Bosnia? When did they threaten us? Have we found their WMDs yet? Have we investigated Haliburton no-bid contracts under Clinton?

Take your Bush hatred back to DU or KOS.

Solis needs his Meds...
Regardless of the fact that Solisa is currently tripping on something and imagined all the content of his post... I believe it is imperative that truth win out... It was Nancy Pelosi doing the gropping and Harry boy flipped off the cameras when asked to explain his investment prowess... Now the VP did voice a concern over Leahy's physical abilities, and just asked the Senator to prove himself...

Solis keep your head up....

Gunny and Airgun
You big lugs are so silly.

9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB
Watch this and learn, poeple.

If you are a TRUE patriot, and not just faking it through self-righteous bantering, then you will.

Learn what 57% of the country -- and the rest of the world -- already knows.

9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501


YOU ARE UTTER HYPOCRITES
Funny, how so many of you are willing to debate the most insiginificant minutia, feining your self-righteous indignation about Webb's "improper manners" whhen Bush flips off a camera, gropes foreign heads of state while clearly drunk, all the while Cheney tells a standing Senator to "go F***" himself on the floor of the Senate.

Oh sure, no mention of any of those -- of COURSE not.

You people are hypocrites to the worst degree, and that is why you are in the minority.

Nobody believes your bullsh** any more.

Well said
Glad to know I'm not the only one whose initial reaction to hearing about Webb's behavior -- "What a boorish, immature, arrogant idiot!" -- was that he is a boor. As far as the careless use of the language, as well as grossly inaccurate generalizations, I guess I'm just so used to hearing it from most politicians (especially Democrats), that it didn't faze me much. Jim Webb has gotten off to a great start as far as showing us what poor character he has.

USNJIMRET
Lots of folks switch parties. Starting with Ronald Reagan. Ike Eisenhower was a Democrat before WWII. I was a bleepin' liberal when I was 20. Like some great statesman said, "If you are 20 and you are not a liberal, you have no heart. If you are 50 and are not a conservative, you have no brain."

Red Tooth
It was the office Webb was denigrating, not the man. To publicly disrespect the Office is wrong.

There is an old Navy tale of a black officer who was not saluted by two sailors on a San Diego street years ago. The black officer took off his hat and put it on a parking meter and ordered them to salute the hat. They saluted the officer's hat. Point made. Webb needs to meet that officer.

Phylo
I provided examples of my disagreements with the President, and didn't color my arguments with invectives or try to downplay his poor judgement.
I correct incorrect portrayal of events, which has as much of a negative effect on public discourse as telling lies.
Tell me, is their a single issue you agree with President Bush on?
just one?
If so, why?
PS. Who are "lots of democrats"?
Name one that claimed to be wrong about the war and didn't follow it with a "but-".
PPS. The huffpost is as rooted in reality as the cartoon network. Who cares how much time you waste
fighting people who don't fight back?

Left Angle
I assume that is the same question the Copperheads asked Lincoln as they tried to negotiate a dismantlement of the US rather than keep fighting. Fortunately, Lincoln was "obstinate" to use your phrase. Retreating is usually the easiest option, and unsurprisingly, the course of choice of Liberals. The answer is that you do what you believe is right, not easy, and that is Bush's decision, and I hail him for it. History will be the judge, not Nancy Pelosi or Dick Durbin.

JD: There is a difference..
between obstinance and flexibility...

at what point does one that his convictions are wrong in the face of evidence to the contrary of his beliefs...

Is it smarter to stubbornly stick to a losing formula or adjust to a winning one?

you tell me?

Left Angle
I can understand where sticking to a position would seem alien to you. After all, strength of character and conviction are not attributes assiciated with Liberals. I am sure you much prefer the triangulation of Clinton which was politicalspeak for "take a poll and change-quickly!. Or perhaps that model of fortitude Kerry is more your speed. The only thing that stays constant with him is his ability to put his mouth. Yup, you and you party are real impressive . LOL

Off topic
Phylo makes a post without the word "spew" and Betty starts using the same word! Are these two long lost twins? Both like spew, both make no sense, both are knee-jerk liberals, I think we can make a strong case for it...

jd: furthermore...
I dont see any democrats criticizing webb..in fact its just the opposite..

I was more insulted by the inapproriate of bush's question to webb.

face it..bush is a arrogant prick who still hasnt gotten the message sent to him at midterms by the majority of americans...

He still stubbornly insist on STAYING THE COURSE IN IRAQ. LOL

JD: you cant handle the truth
bush's questions was inappropriate and a taunt.

think about it...

why would you as prez, approach a person that has been highly critical of your Iraq policies and has issues with his son fighting in Iraq and ask him:

"HOW'S YOUR BOY?

and you respond:

"I would like to get him out of Iraq"

and the prez comes back with:

"THATS NOT WHAT I ASKED YOU,
AGAIN, HOW'S YOUR BOY?

How would YOU react?

Left Angle...
Spoken like a true paranoid, cynical Liberal. You do your party proud, which means you insult the proprieties of most Americans, just like your friend Webb.

BTW
I would shake hands with the former rapist/President/huckster also. I may not smile but I would show that I was reared right and had class. And I'm Irish/English so Webb's background has no excuse. Guess he's going the Norman Mailer - Ernest Hemingway route of being the toughguy writer commie lib.

Kudos to Sen. Elect Webb.
I think Sen. elect Webb is great..He's something the democratic party has needed for years now.
He's a in your face politician w/ mucho grande balls, exactly the kind of person needed to take on the ever arrogant and bullying Prez Bush, V.P. Cheney and Karl Rove.

Bush's question to Webb was inappropriate and if you read the text it is more of a taunt than anything. Webb should be commended for not cursing and slugging Bush.

I agree with Leaberries
I wish Webb woulda punched the President. It would have been awesome when the Secret Service agents knocked Webb to the ground and tased him a dozen times while holding him down for Bush to punch and kick! Then he'd have to do a little time in the pokey where he could practice some of those things he wrote about in his porn novels. Of course, that would only improve his stock with Democrats like Leaberry.

I'd replay that video all day long:) Haha. Too bad he was a chickensalad and controlled himself. He did sound brave when he told the reporter that, though.

That would have been funnier than the Muslem street lawyer student at that college in California a week or so ago! man - now that's funny!

Oh yeah, maybe he could have a rematch with Ollie first to avenge the beating he took in the Corps.

Peace through violence!

Ad hominem
Does anyone besides me see the irony of leftists using such vitriolic ad hominem attacks to deny that James Webb is excessively boorish and uncivil?

Or, for that matter, that those who disparage the education and intellect of "neo-kkkonservatives" can't come up with any better arguments than personal attacks?

response to airgun
airgun: Wondered when you were going to show up.
You've proven that it matters to you only when Republicans make WMD claims which don't prove out, and insist that the democrats have always been against the terror war despite the innumerable examples of dems speaking publically about these same WMD for almost a decade.

Phylo: Ah yes, the old argument that Dems said their were WMDs too. Yes, some dems believed the president and parroted the White House line. That doesn't mean that Bush didn't lie, it only means that the Dems weren't sufficiently skeptical. By the way, when Clinton said there were WMD, there were, then he rained 450 crusie missles on his weapons plants and that was the end of his WMDs.


airgun: You are therefore a willing and ignorant pawn of the left; as well as a textbook libby.

Phylo: Your accusation is based on the false assumption that I only care about Republican misdeeds. Not true. I frequently argue with lefties on Huffpo. And I'll have you know that I voted for a Republican for Gov (Pawlenty) an independent for house rep (Tammy Lee) and a Dem for Senate (Klobuchar). So, put that in your pipe and smoke it.


airgun: The right will at least acknowledge when they have dissention among themselves, for example....
Ellison's injection of the anti-American textbook called the Quran into the hitherto non-political swearing in ceremony.
Two right wing radio giants are on opposite sides of the issue, Dennis Prager and Michael Medved.
They both have salient arguments for their positions, and are not afraid to differ in public.
In the history of their respective shows there are examples of both of them admitting they got it wrong, and apologizing on their national forums for their mistakes.
I have as of yet to see a single prominent democrat follow suit.

Phylo: Prager and Medved are both consumate liars and they only admit to be wrong about very trivial matters. Neither of them will ever admit that they were wrong about big issues like the Iraq war or Pres Bush's competence.

And, I'm sorry, but I've heard a lot of Democrats say they were wrong about the war, and wrong to trust George Bush. I've frequently heard Al Franken admit that he was wrong too. So what?


airgun: Anyone who is as consistantly prejudiced as you, Phylo, has little or no credibility in a public forum, and the claims of mind-numbed robots on the right walking lock-step with the Bush administration are untrue and unprovable.

Phylo: Uh, care to offer some evidence for your claim that I am "consistantly prejudiced"?

And if you want evidence for the mind numbed Bush-bots, simply look at the polls. Bush has something like an 8o% approval rating among Republicans. Seems like pretty solid proof to me.

airgun: I seem to remember that the democratic MINORITY has done everything in their power to kneecap this government since they became the minority.

Phylo: I wish that were true. If it were, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Phylo out.

hyperbole
God help us if we get 'a lot more of it'? The credibility of O.J. Simpson?

It doesn't take balls to disrespect the president. Please tell me the dems plan to renew confidence in the public. Please tell me what that miserable worthless empty-suit Kerry would've done better.

There is plenty of malfeasance in both parties but yours is the one with the least credibility.

Songo
I imagine you reading your post aloud on helium, it's easier to relate to.
Welcome to the dark side, and enjoy the ride.

911
In consideration of my fellow posters all, I admit I'm getting sidetracked; Lemmi 'splain...no...is too much.
Lemmi sum up.
911 was a signatory event in world history, because it identified a massing threat to the western way of life.
However, when you look at it more closely, although it "raised our collective conscienceness"
to the problem, it's a new problem.
Being the creatures of habit most humans tend to be, and Americans in particular, it's far easier to justify to ourselves the path of least resistance when making decisions.
What I'm trying to say is, we are spoiled.
There is no way out of a fight we didn't ask for, and too many of us are taught that fighting is just plain wrong, which is noble- but absolutely refuted by all of human history.
Webb is the perfect personification of this, in that he was, repeat was, a marine.
He had at least SOME grasp of what life in the real world outside TV was.
Somewhere he fell off his bike; no doubt during his writing career, and now all his military decisions are from a not-MY-kid absolutist pacifist and negative veiw.
As a former marine, no matter what his differences with his COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF were, he would display the strict self discipline and behavior expected of a marine; but I guess he hung all that up with his medals and uniforms, if he didn't just throw them all away.
He has dishonered himself, and the millions of former and current troops served and serving with his self-involved purely partisan attitude towards the leader of our country while in a state of war.

262 Writes!!!
"Bush deserves less respect than anyone who held the office??? C'mon. Give me a break. What about Clinton--the president who disgraced the office of the president by perjurying himself, obstructing justice, pardoning criminals, stole white house paintings/furniture, etc. etc. etc. This list goes on"

To 262 & other GWB fans, Is Monica on her knees in the White House more of an affront to you than the spectacle of almost 3000 body bags and 10,000 maimed for life young service men & women, in a war begun with what appears to be "cherry picked" intelligence? In addition we're passing the bill on to our grandchildren which is another travesty.

to my good friend Airgun.
I am a conservative, which means not being an advocate of incoherent interventionist foreign policies of the Wilsonian mode designed to install democracy upon a people who for historic and religious reasons may have an aversion to the very concept. I don't think our best and brightest should get their legs blown off in a "nation" where its inhabitants cannot seem to decide if it is worth embracing our notions of democracy. This thing called Sharia law does present problems in that regard.
I do completely agree with you on "WOT". I do see Islamists as a threat, a very real threat, to our existence, and that of Western civilization. And I agree we must not fail in Iraq. But, I also maintain that it was an example of sheer arrogance and mindboggling ignorance to invade Iraq in the first place, since Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. The only government we concluded was involved in 9/11 was in Afghanistan, which harbored Al Qaeda. And we rightfully took out the Taliban. Do I hear an "Amen"?

Jerabaub
BTW, only one veto in six years is a pretty good display of bi-partisanship, wouldn't you say?
I agree and "Amen" on the "immigration" issue; thank you- I almost forgot.

Jerabaub
FYI, I'm not a knee-jerk kind of guy, I simply reserve my criticisms for the harmful actions of people, not the mistakes they make.
For instance my criticisms of the President include: Money paid out to victims of 911, No Child Left Behind, Senior Prescription Drug Benefits, and the absolutely brainless behavior of congress and the administration( not to mention right-wing talk radio) regarding Teri Schievo. I deliberately omit the WOT because no-one, I repeat NO-ONE, has the slightest idea how we're going to win this one, and everyone (almost)
agrees that doing nothing militarily is suicide.
The problem of Islamic Radical Jihad is huge in scope, and no matter where we lay hands on this beast, we're going to get bit, hard; but I'd rather die on my feet- not my knees, thank you, so don't tell me that talking will work anymore.
We tried that.
Take your own advice: remove your blinders, don't sweat the blunders, and maybe we can win the fight for western civilization, and even clean house on both sides of the aisle, not just them EEEEeeevil conservatives, wot?

To my colleague Otis.
I guess the good folks of Virginia just can't refrain from electing a candidate who never misses an opportunity for "public grandstanding and a preening opportunity...to pander to true believers". Thankfully, our president never resorts to such tactics, as when, for the first time as president, he utilized his veto pen to abrogate legislation permitting additional federal funding for embryonic stem cell research, rather than slashing "pork" from legislation. On embryonic stem cell research, I was so glad that was not pandering to true believers. But, in his defense, his policies in advocating amnesty for illegals, along with his Wilsonian interventionist foreign policy, certainly do not constitute pandering to his conservative base. In fact, such policies are more consistent with conventional liberal ideology. Do I hear an "Amen"?

Jerabaub
Blunt? I mean, come on. Can you really be that naive? What Webb did was the exact polar opposite of bluntness. What Webb did was take what the President intended to be a private conversation and convert it into a public grandstanding and preening opportunity, then turned it over to the WaPo so that he could pander to the True Believers. It is hard to imagine anything less blunt than spewing half-baked partisan political talking points, and it is equally hard to imagine anything more gratuitously partisan than doing so in your first meeting with the POTUS after you've been elected, when you are as far away from your next campaign as you will ever be in the rest of your life.

Bluntness was when Cheney told Leahy to F*** himself in what he thought was a private conversation.

Notice to Kool-aid drinkers.
A kneejerk reaction in mindlessly applauding anything this president does, is a recipe for disaster. No one is sacrosanct, not even a clueless G.W. Bush who now must deal with the humiliation of having his dad's advisors rescue the mindless decision to invade Iraq. Bush has done some good things, but he has also made huge blunders. Time to take off the blinders. Do I hear an "Amen"?

To Airgun.
The fear of abiding by conservative principles really was a great success in last November's election, wasn't it? I stand by what I said. Part of the problem was that republicans, pretending to be conservatives, had strayed off the reservation. I thought it was poetic justice.

Will's Right: Webb is a Boor.
One would think that Virginia's Senator-elect James Webb would've been more circumspect with respects to his conduct in the White House, especially when the occupant asked him sincerely how his son was doing in Iraq. After all, Webb barely succeeded thanks to the boorishness of his opponent, the "aw-shuck-sy" loquacious boor George Allen.

Whatever a citizen feels about the policies of the president, the man (or someday perhaps soon,) who occupies the honor is due full respect.
Haven't we gotten it across to our kids, (some of them big ones) that disrespect of elected officials is yet another form of disrespect for the people who elected these people? Hence, another form of disrespect for the country they serve?

I have plenty of questions concerning the direction of this or that policy the President's administration might be pursuing at any given time. Who doesn't? To personally dismiss the office-holder based on ideological, partisan and petty personal reasons, that's another set of problems altogether. Unfortunately, for Jim Webb, the focus for dealing with these problems rests solely on his shoulders, not George W. Bush's.

Despite the fact he probably had good reason to suspect Webb was deliberately trying to "diss" him both personally and politically, at least the President had the grace and good manners to inquire from Webb, as one dad to another, how Webb's son was faring in a combat zone. In this sense, one could say Bush was displaying a most sincere and gentlemanly example of taking personal responsibility for the younger Webb's well-being as his Commander-in-Chief.

The history books will have plenty to offer readers about Bush's various merits and demerits as President. However, this one incident, relatively minor compared to many more important events that've happened during the past six years, speaks loudly in favor of Bush's gentlemanliness and personal chacter. Unfortunately, it also speaks volume (in another direction) about Jim Webb.

I can only imagine what Webb's fellow Marines must be saying (under their breath) about his boorishness.

Nice start Mr. Webb. Good luck for the next six years. You don't deserve it, but you'll sure need a lot of it.

Oops again...
Bad grammer, too many distractions on the home front. You know what I'm saying.

Betty
President Bush has: Shown he has the nads to hit back when we get hit, reduced taxes for everyone( at the federal level, the state and local governments are refusing to scale back spending, so local and state taxes are rising), and never stepped out on his wife while fulfilling the duties to which he was elected, inserting at least a modicum of class back into the office he holds.
For your information, it would suprise me if he DIDN'T get a memo every day telling us about our impending doom. For him to discriminate between memos is not something that worries me. If he truly were to go off as half-cocked as he has been consistantly ACCUSED- not criticized- of doing, I'd expect the background radiation levels to be signifigantly higher today.
BTW, it's easy to "spew" anti-Bush venom is so easy because it requires no thought, only hatred.

GunnyG
Who was the honorable military leader who was forced to retire for calling Clintoon a '"girlyman lovin' draft dodger'?

Amazing how Dens/libs demanding his resignation (was allowed to retire) while allowing their own people to make threats of violence against Bush.

"It’s also amazing how they have the audacity to claim that they support our troups, this after they denied overseas military personnel the right to vote in a previous election. Democratic lawyer Mark Herron had written a November 15th memo coaching Democrats on the election boards how to disqualify military votes. They seized on the lack of a postmark in order to throw many of those ballots out. (cut & pasted)"

Hell
Gunny baby? Can you categorize the carnage in Iraq as anything but hell. Okay, how about the image of American citizens laying dead in the streets of an American city? No. Okay, how about illegal wiretapping of American citizens and elimination of habeus corpus-the cornerstone of our democracy? No. Okay, how about our illustrious leader ignoring a memo regarding an impending attack on US soil. Jeez Gunny, are you so filled with anger and frustration that you can't see clearly what is right before your eyes?
BTW, spewing anti-Bush venom is so easy to do because he has made it so easy to do so. Name one positive action on his part that has benefitted the citizens of this country. Take your time.

Jerabaub
Playground tactics and name-calling will get us exactly where????
How much would you get out of posting if all you ever got back were insults and petty treatment of your positions?
This " bluntness" you tout would DO nothing.
If that's what you want, you got it in this election cycle from your democratic leaders, the old media, the academia, and the George Soros hysteria machine.
Enjoy being sand in the gears, because it's better to break the window than clean it, huh.

Maritza, thank you.
I do get around, and the situation in South America- actually, anywhere south of the US border( see Oaxaca, for example) is very important to me and most thinking Americans.
The problem is the "watch-the-birdie" style of democratic politicking we will have to endure until the grownups take charge again.
I apologize for the kids driving the car, and I hope we take back the wheel before too many of the truly innocent get killed.

Our nation's so fearful of bluntness
There is nothing wrong with speaking one's mind. The office of the president, regardless of who may occupy it at any point in time, is definitely worthy of respect.
But, still, I like Webb's bluntness. Yes, I realize it was a cheap shot in that his son was not forced to join our military and serve in Iraq. His choice was voluntary. But, I like that Webb isn't obsessed with soothing ruffled feathers. He spoke his mind. What I find truly despicable is the pervasive mindset within the U.S. Senate that forbids any comment from a member that casts an aspersion upon a fellow senator. It is the preeminent "gentlemen's club", even if a few senators are female. That mindset was embodied by Frist and others who were scared to death to play hardball by invoking senate rules that would have changed the current procedure of requiring 60 votes to cut off debate in the brouhaha over judicial appointments. They did not want to ruffle feathers. If you feel strongly about an issue, what does it say about you if you refuse to express your views out of fear of ruffling the feathers of fellow comrades in a deliberative body? Give me raw honesty over decorum any day of the week. Do I hear an "Amen"?

Enter Phylo, binary thought master...
Wondered when you were going to show up.
You've proven that it matters to you only when Republicans make WMD claims which don't prove out, and insist that the democrats have always been against the terror war despite the innumerable examples of dems speaking publically about these same WMD for almost a decade.
You are therefore a willing and ignorant pawn of the left; as well as a textbook libby.
The right will at least acknowledge when they have dissention among themselves, for example....
Ellison's injection of the anti-American textbook called the Quran into the hitherto non-political swearing in ceremony.
Two right wing radio giants are on opposite sides of the issue, Dennis Prager and Michael Medved.
They both have salient arguments for their positions, and are not afraid to differ in public.
In the history of their respective shows there are examples of both of them admitting they got it wrong, and apologizing on their national forums for their mistakes.
I have as of yet to see a single prominent democrat follow suit.
Anyone who is as consistantly prejudiced as you, Phylo, has little or no credibility in a public forum, and the claims of mind-numbed robots on the right walking lock-step with the Bush administration are untrue and unprovable.
I seem to remember that the democratic MINORITY has done everything in their power to kneecap this government since they became the minority.
I would expect the Republicans to reciprocate
-if they behaved as poorly as the left.
Still, I have faith in the process working, unless the left continues their tactic of standing their own positions on their heads and accusing the republicans of commiting the crime democrats are currently engaged in.
By the way, you actually managed to get through a post without using the word "spew".
I tip my hat to the Jedi-minus-master.


NOBODY IS PAYING ATTENTION
Dear Sirs,
I am so deep concern that everybody are focusing in the issues only in Irak and we are not focusing in the issues inside USA and in America.
We or USA and Media and Columnists did not were aware in the ISSUES INSIDE MEXICO, NICARAGUA, VENEZUELA, LATINAMERICA and now communists are getting the whole world.
We are facing the enemy inside USA too. I was born in Venezuela and I am dissapointed in the issues of LOS ANGELES and other locations and the Cubans terrorists doing jobs inside USA. Did you know the 2 weeks ago hackerslab were working in San Diego to undermine the Mexican government? Did you know that Venezuelans are getting threats in their jobs and all kind of threats from activists inside USA supporters of Chavez.
I got also email threats. The election is going to be in Venezuela this Sunday 3 and the whole WORLD is facing the big threat from the Communists. They name themselves socialists. the http://www.marxist.com web page you can find information.
This Sunday is the elections in Venezuela and I did not see no support to prevent the big fraud is coming and the threat the Venezuelans Americans are facing also inside the United States. Do you know the name of the leader a Venezuelan American in make the threats to others with her groups of terrorists are in LA, and she has power inside USA? The Venezuelan Community were alerting from after Sept. 11 that Chavez of Venezuela was part of the plot in connection with the network of terrorist. Nobody is paying attention. I am really dissapointed to find that America and the world is facing this and NOBODY IS PAYING ATTENTION.

9/11 Was An Inside Job
and...you guessed it--

...the whole neo-con crew was behind it.

HAVE A BRAIN -- DO NOT POST A COMMENT --UNTIL-- YOU WATCH THE VIDEO!!!

gather your courage, and watch:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501

do not be afraid.

i used to be a hard-core conservative/republican for a long, long time. i used to be a hard-core reaganite. eventually, i FINALLY saw the light. if someone as hardened as me could change, you can too.

be brave. watch the video.

THEN comment.

I will STILL wait and see.
I don't think this by itself even will have much of a shelf life. I don't think anyone should be surprised by anything this man does. He could either get in a fight with his fellow Democrats and switch back to the Republicans or he could become another version of Jocelyn Elders or Cynthia McKinney. Either way, I think the GOP can expect Jim Webb to be the gift that keeps on giving.

mjdharris33
Well said. It was uncanny to note that posters offering support to Webb were the source of virtually all of the hatespeak on this thread. I think it's a revealing insight into the mindset of liberals. One of the distinguishing characteristics of our government is the orderly, civil transfer of power. The claim by Webb that he respects the Presidency is belied by his actions. His sole purpose was nothing less than self-aggrandizement.

Webb's comments
Mr. Will, with all due respect, you really need an enema, you constipated prig. Webb's words, parsed or not, reflect how most of the American people feel. That is why the Democrats won. Bush and his enablers have taken this country straight into hell and they should be called on it at every opportunity. Bush is an uneducated, uncouth and ignorant dolt and has been nothing but an embarrassment to this great country. And now, Daddy's sending in the cavalry to save his butt again from yet another failure. Wake up and smell the reality. You and the other Bush apologists are obsolete and I feel fine.

GunnyG
...are those classified documents in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?

Sorry..
"...further limits ON our rights..."

GunnyG
Yes. We will be VERY closely watching our new Senator-elect's behavior as regards the "gun issue". He is treading on dangerous ground (electorally speaking, of course), if he suggests or even supports any further limits our right to defend ourselves and our families.

Obviously, I would prefer that he actively seek to roll back all EXISTING restrictions, but that is too much to ask for from any Democrat, even one from Virginia. Of course, most Republicrats aren't much use on that issue either.

There are fewer and fewer people out there who recognize that the Constitution of the United States of America was intended to LIMIT the POWERS of the government and PROTECT the RIGHTS of the people (collectively AND individually), not the other way around.

More talking points... again and again..
Evidently the Dem talking point:

"And did Will ever bother to criticize the civility of Dick Cheney for telling Leahy to go f*#@ himself on the floor of the Senate?"

It was a PRIVATE conversation... theoretically outside of the range of microphones, and Leahy was and is a source of anti-American, anti-military, anti-Conservative, anti-Bush partisanship. That the comment was picked up by the microphones is a matter for the history books... What the Vice-President did next was APOLOGIZE for the context of the remarks, not threaten to do bodily harm to Senator Leahy.

There is a HUGE difference. Webb went event hunting, used his son to do it, and then followed up by stating a desire to inflict bodily harm on the President of the United States for doing nothing more than asking an innocent sociable question.

Please go back to the DailyKos where you can smear people to your heart's content.


Will is a pathological partisan
George Will is complaining that Webb is a "subtraction from the city's civility and clear speaking."

Has this guy ever once criticised George Bush for his carelessness with English language?

The words, "No doubt" are supposed to mean something too. So when you say that there is no doubt that Saddam has WMD and ties to al queda it should mean exactly that; not we think maybe he might have WMD; or we think maybe he might want to get some WMD; or it looks like maybe there might be a some kind of vague, if not entirely non-existent, connection between Iraq and al queda.

And did Will ever bother to criticize the civility of Dick Cheney for telling Leahy to go f*#@ himself on the floor of the Senate?

Of course not.

Typical pathological partisan; he can only see the faults of the other side.

Phylo out.


If Mr. Webb...
...wanted to "avoid" the President, why did he attend a reception HOSTED by the President?

And by the way, his son's health and welfare in Iraq were certainly not "between him and his boy" when he was foisting his "boy's" combat boots into the air in front of thousands of people at every one of his rallies during the campaign.

So far he appears to be nothing more than a perverted, hypocritical troglodyte. I sure hope he calms down a little. I have to live with him as one of my Senators for at least the next 6 years.

On a final note, the fact that he is packing his "transition team" with some of the most anti-gun politicians in the Commonwealth of Virginia sure makes me wonder if he is really the "Pro-2nd Amendment Democrat" he claimed to be during the campaign.

He didn't fool me, though; I held my nose and voted for George Allen.

Tolerance
Isn't it ironic? Those who claim the mantle of tolerance are in reality the most intolerant, judgmental, hateful, and shrill people.

Jim Webb demonstrated his intolerance with his disrespect and hatred for the President through his uncivil behavior. And those who have condemned President Bush have done the same.

No the President is not perfect. Neither can any other person alive today claim that they are immaculate. However, his imperfections do not merit hatred or disrespect of his person anymore than Jim Webb's actions merit hatred of him.

Condemnation of another's actions is absolutely legitimate. However, one should always do so with respect and charity.

Ah...Airgun:
I don't exactly think this is a "leftie" problem. The "Conservatives" have done their own childish demanding without thought to the cost.

They claim to idiolize Reagan but have forgotten his greatest contribution...he brought optimism and a POSITIVE attitude back to the American people.

Conservatives (and their pundits) COULD have spent 2 years hammering home the accomplishments of this administration--and there were many, like an unheard of during war time, great economy. They could have talked about the professionalism of our troops and how it took less than 2 months to accomplish what the Soviets were unable to do in over a decade in Afghanistan...and the unheard of 21 days the troops took to get Saddam out of power and stop the flow of funding to terrorists. They could have mention the return of sanity with the courts.

But no...for 2 years...all the way up to the election...they told the American public that Bush and the GOP FAILED AND DISAPPOINTED them...

Then they wonder why the American voter choose nothing to offer Liberals like Webb to run Congress...

And here we are, with less than 2 years before the WH is up for grabs...and what are we doing...STILL telling the American voter that the GOP and Bush has failed and disappointed.

I am sorry but this is so brainless it boggles the mind.

fit2betied
Dear fit2betied,
The discussion involves President Bush and Senator (elect) Jim Webb, not Robert Byrd (please note the correct spelling of “B-Y-R-D” vs. your attempt of “B-I-R-D”). Now, I know these words are tough and difficult to understand as neo-kkkonservative, but we liberals simply cannot dumb our writing down any lower for you goofballs. We do appreciate your feeble attempts to communicate with us but in retrospect, I personally find your comments too dim-witted for further discussion. Please go back to your Alma Mater (I believe it’s the Orangeburg School of Law and Sheet metal Work or something like that…) and cheerfully ask for a full and complete refund.

Thank you for participating in today’s event and always remember our number one safety tip for Republikkians: Drool IS conductive and don’t plug anymore real mice into your USB port, it’s just unfair to the mouse.

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Knee-o-kkkons
Funny you should use this moniker as we watch Senator KKK Bird lead the charge to more pork barrel projects.
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Swamped?
Buahahahaha! Set 'em up beertender, I have no problem spanking unruly kids.

Airgun: Your quote says it all..
you stated:

"Message from the newly elected MINORITY"

As to your rant above about dems/libs..

YOUR quote says it all...lmao

Seminar Posters from Kos...
1. Webb being elected to anything in the Commonwealth of Virginia is regrettable. His candidacy was shallow and essentially a stalking horse for Anti-Bush and anti-Republican nonsense. He was barely elected, and Virginians will rue the day.

2. Since when was the Heritage Foundation distributing the DailyKos? All I hear or see are vitriolic anti-Bush rants, weird consipiracy theories posed, and suicidal anti-war claptrap being posted.

Having run a website, with some friends, for many years, I know how difficult it was to attract posters who were capable of rational argument. Most were "screamers" who cut and pasted Democrat/Soros funded talking points, and called people nasty names.

This site's response fora are becoming places for the endless grind of Democrat propaganda.

Sad... nice try, Townhall. But you are being swamped by pros.

IMHO anyway.

Oops...
"President"

All talk no action
PS- True to form, Webb waited till the Preident wasn't there to say what he wanted to do.
Wimp.

Is it just me?
Or does there seem to be a spike in the number of lefty posts on right wing blog sights lately?
What's the matter?
Someone crash the huffington post today?
Nah, I figure the BDS victims have nothing of substance to say to each other and have decided it's more fun to come over to the dark side with their whining and sniping at the Bush administration. There doesn't seem to be any deception in their posts, they hate the president and will not be swayed in their efforts to smear so much feces across the blogosphere that the forum itself becomes as smelly, dirty and petulantly rude as the scummy libby they claim to support. If they want discourse in the political arena to remain as negative as the last election cycle- so be it.
When my kid gets an idea stuck in his head that's contrary to my wishes or simply illogical, I just let him prattle until he gets tired of beating his head on the floor.
Like any 4 year old, he WON'T get it.
Lefties are so full of themselves they actually tout obstructionism as a virtue.
Message from the newly elected minority: If you want insult and vile campaign invective to be the word of the day, TOUGH.
The adults will handle this, and the juvenile ravings and posturings of the Webbs and Ellisons will not go unmarked or unanswered.
I refuse to knuckle under to the idea that the public which elected these hand-puppets to the US Congress are as shallow and puffed up as the empty suits who hornswaggled them into voting for them, all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.

Congratulations, George...you just
earned your MBS degree..

"...has become what Washington did not need another of, a subtraction from the city's civility and clear speaking."

How, now, are your going to apply your new Moral Blind Spot degree...it is always such a hoot to observe so called "journalists" who can't resist swinging at pitches in the dirt...

Nice upraised razor-back by the way...hope to see you soon as the Town Cryer in Porky and Bess!

Kudos to Senator elect Webb..
I think Sen. elect Webb is great..He's something the democratic party has needed for years now.
He's a in your face politician, exactly the kind of person needed to take on the ever arrogant and bullying Prez Bush, V.P. Cheney and Karl Rove.

Bush's question to Webb was inappropriate and if you read the text it is more of a taunt than anything. Webb should be commended for not cursing and slugging Bush.

Knee-o-kkkons
Funny you should use this moniker as we watch Senator KKK Bird lead the charge to more pork barrel projects.

Politeness is a 2 way street,Gunny
If we grant that Webb was a bit rude, it must be admitted that Bush has a snippy, rude arrogance about him as well. His retort to Webb was definitely rude. It reminded me of the snipfit Bush pulled on a reporter who asked a question of Jacque Chirac in French at a joint news conference about four years ago. Bush acted then as if the reporter was an impertinent courtier rather than a journalist. Bush reeked of arrogance that day. His humble facade was thrown aside.

I might add that many who profess to being conservative confuse Bush or Republican idolatry with conservatism. Many post on this forum. After six years of Bush it should be apparent that Bush is no conservative and, in fact, he despises the conservative movement just as his father did. And the Republican Party has shown itself to be not much more than an enabler for big business.

Jim Webb
No one should have anticipated this more than the Republican leadership who failed to police their own.

More honesty needed
It's my understanding that George Will, who I usually think has acted with integrity, deliberately misrepresented Webb's comments - or, more specifically, the rude comment by President Bush which apparently provoked Webb's "rude" response. It appears that Will deliberately edited out the President's "That's not what I asked you" comment. That is dishonest and manipulative, and my opinion of George Will is lower because of it.

More than civility, which I do value, I prize honesty. From all accounts, President Bush is able to appear very friendly and likeable, assuring almost all of his efforts in their favor, even while he often is advancing policies in the opposite direction. To address the President on the divide between his personal assurances and the effect of his actual policies is not "boorish", it is accountability. Civil discourse, yes, but not at the expense of honesty.

And to quibble over grammer and hyperbole and ignore the message underneath is less than I would have expected from George Will. Surely he knows that the statistics he sited about the increase in high school and college degrees does little or nothing to address Webb's contention - that the gap between the "elite" and the rest of the population has grown "infinitely" - okay, at least dramatically, perhaps even horrifically.

I would appreciate it if George Will criticized grammer less and, instead 1) honestly quoted the original comments between Bush and Webb and 2) honestly dealt with Webb's allegations about the elite/commoner gap.

Yes Virginia
There is such a thing as TRASH!

For all you Bushies...
Beneath the facade of Christian humility, George W. Bush is a man of monumental arrogance. He deserved Webb's wrath. More importantly, Bush has discredited conservatism and the Republican Party for a generation. Whether Hillary Rodham, Rudy Guiliani or John McCain wins in 2008, the mood of the country is heading leftwards as are the demographics. This will be amplified if Bush succeeds in passing immigration amnesty next year.

Bush has damaged conservatism in so many ways. He has tied us to a disasterous war in Iraq that has killed 3000 Americans, cost over $ 400 billion already and has poisoned the national atmosphere. He has encouraged radical demographic change to America that may reduced his party and the conservative movement to a permanent minority. He has spent on domestic programs like a good LBJ-FDR Democrat. He has abandoned fighting the culture war and actually seems comfortable with America's vulgar mass culture.

The future of American conservatism is bleak. We are discredited philosophically and politically by Bush. We are being demographically overwhelmed by the Third World with tens of millions more ready to flood the country. The next political epoch will be leftist, globalist and multicultural with conservatives reduced to the status of political eunuchs.

Lessons for those supporting Webb
For those of you supporting Webb, I think there are two things that our society can learn from him, which I think George Will is absolutely right in point out.

Absolute disrespect for civility - if this really is a legitimate model for dealing with people you don't like then our Senate has a lot to learn. There, they are still required to address one another as Senator and show some level of respect, even for their enemies, because of their office. Maybe politics does need to become an arena where even less respect and civility is showed...

Awful use of language. As a graduate student in economics who is very familiar with the income gap statistics I was shocked by how flippant he was. This stuff does not pass in the academy. My professors would throw away my papers and kick me out of the program if I wrote something like that. The fact that an elected representative gets support for such careless statements either reflects very badly on Webb, politics in general, or the American public for allowing it to continue.

Wow.
I know Townhall prides itself in letting people of all political persuations post comments, it's beginning to look like the lefties have pretty much taken this site over. I was astonished to read how many people chimed in with their hatred of Bush and support for Webb. More than half, at least. If only liberal websites were as open towards dissent.

And the right wonders why it is losing the debate in this country? Lefties take advantage of conservative "high mindedness" much in the same way that Islamofascists take advantage of our freedoms and political correctness.

Zippiskootch
Q. E. D.

An angry, uncivil, rude, obnoxious boor
I think James Webb needs some serious anger management help. Remember, his campaign slogan was "Born Fighting". Well, it appears he is still fighting, even when his opponents are phantoms or political opponents. He is so busy fighting he can't recognize civility when he sees it, and certainly has no civility to offer in return.

Chuck Bloomer
http://www.libertycall.us

Ah yes, the old double standard
It appears that for many of you, it is perfectly fine to behave rudely and uncivilly toward someone with whom you have strong ideological disagreements. So what you're really saying is, you want your opponents to be civil toward YOU, but you don't have to be civil toward your opponents.

Of course, many of us have always known that that was where you were coming from, but it's nice to see it spoken with such clarity.

James Webb, No Sunshine Patriot
George Will daily lives with the knowledge that he risks repetitive strike injury to bring us his nonsensical neocon drivel. For his part, James Webb, risked everything he had as a Marine Infanry Officer for this nation. It very nearly cost him his life. Indeed, The Bill of Rights we hold dear would be nothing more than sophistry without patriots like Mr. Webb.

As a Senator, Mr. Webb, will most assuredly not be beholden to or suffer lightly the demonstrably dubious democratic hierarchy.

Who will look out for the liberty of Americans? For my part, I will side with someone who understands the price of freedom, and who would not, for instance, try to expand the ill- considered Visa Waiver Program, as was announced in yesterday's "USA Today" newspaper.

James Webb is precisely what the world's greatest deliberative body, so-called, needs.




It was a boorish thing to do
As a life-long Conservative Republican, I said to myself after Webb's election, "Ya know, self, I'm going to withhold judgement; I think I can live with this guy; he has good credentials: war hero, patriot, supporter of a strong military, former Republican in Reagan's cabinet, etc., etc." But it's now apparent that he's a jerk. If this was a one-time abberation, he gets a second chance from me. But if he continues this childish behavior, he's off my Christmas list.

Hate as politics
Mr. Will, as usual, has brought forth a thoughtful and insightful piece. Most of those criticizing him couldn't hold his pen, or keyboard. Neither can Sen. Webb hold President Bush's water. He's no different than the rest of the yapping little rat terriers, nipping at the heels of men who tower above them.
If Bush has made mistakes, it means he at least did SOMETHING, unlike the Boob in Chief, Clinton, who coasted on Reaganomics and when the economy began to head south toward the end of his regime, cooked the books in order not leave on a downward trend.
Words still have meaning, except when the words are false, their meaning is false. I believe the escalating hatred and vitriol from the left is out of frustration, because anyone with a slight awareness of the truth, doesn't buy into their lies anymore. Since most democratics are incapable of debating in a reasoned and mature manner, they lash out like the little children they are. Their asses are too big to paddle, so I say let's bring back dueling for those times when they lose civility (if they ever had any).

Tamster...get a clue
Bush deserves less respect than anyone who held the office??? C'mon. Give me a break. What about Clinton--the president who disgraced the office of the president by perjurying himself, obstructing justice, pardoning criminals, stole white house paintings/furniture, etc. etc. etc. This list goes on.

Will is Right!
Jim Webb acted like a jerk, that's the bottom line. Of course, he'll now be hailed as a "maverick" and become a favorite of the MSM, the same people who, as someone else noted, refuse to say President Bush and instead refer to dubya as Mr. Bush, their own idiotic attempt at showing what Webb laughingly called "symbolic things to convey who they are". Well, you succeeded, Jimmy...you succeeded in conveying that you are a jerk who is as undeserving of the power you now wield as any in recent memory.

If Senator elect Webb
was intending to be so rude as to make political of a social event, why did he bother to go in the first place?

"Breath of fresh air"??? Nope, politics as usual. Turn everything, and I mean everything, into a political opportunity.

Not to mention, I will always have serious questions about people who party switch.

Re: To Sen Jim Boor's defenders
ummm....

what?

To Sen Jim Boor's defenders
Isn't it a marvel now, to see how many Metrofriscans, (I mean democrats and other shiftless left wing populists), read, nay, peruse Mr. Will's column and then. wonderful to tell, take the time to set him straight.

So, to all of you Metrofriscans who know, along with Sen. Boor, that you can bend the crooked timber of humanity to your will at will, keep reading Will, knots and all, and you just might get a life.

Not entirely true
Given that the English language has no gender-neutral third-person singular pronoun, "them" is actually becoming increasingly common within published works.

Sic it to 'em
The antecedent of the pronoun was "your boy", so so say "I want to get them out of Iraq" is gramatically incorrect, "him" or "it" (if you're gender neutral) would have been proper. Essentially, Webb was crediting his son with at least a dualistic existence.

Double standard
I can't believe Jim Webb is being called a boor when we have a Vice-President that dropped the "F-bomb" on a senator, in public, on the floor of the senate! Conservatives should take the log out of their own eyes before they try to remove the splinter from their liberal brethren.

Typical Pompous Tripe from Will
In George Will’s demeaning diatribe on Senator-elect Webb’s avoidance of President Bush, he has once again displayed his typical snobbery, in conjunction with his abject ignorance of the realities this country faces. Through self-righteous indignation, Will delineates his disturbing lack of empathy while demonizing a father whose young son slogs through a war of calculated deceit.

Furthermore, Will mocks each of us with the absurd notion that Bush’s inquiry about Webb's son was merely “a civil and caring question, as one parent to another.” Of course, this laughable implausibility conveniently ignores that one father’s children are traveling through an exotic country where their greatest concern is having a purse snatched, while the other’s child is in a vastly different exotic country where his greatest concern is being captured and tortured to death – due to retribution from the first father’s egregiously illegal and immoral policies.

Indeed, for one as heartless as Will, it is far easier to mock the second father, and then bizarrely ridicule him for his semantic and stylistic writing “abuses.” Of course, never mind the far worse atrocities that occur every day in Will’s name. After all, he is far too busy taking offense over Webb’s “lack of civility” than to actually consider the matter. For a man as compassionless as Will, concerns over “civility” clearly trump the hundreds of thousands of innocent dead, ultimately contributing little more than a glimpse into the heart of a monster.

Oh, I’m sorry – was that “uncivil?”

Is "monster" too strong of a word for a man completely unable to empathize with a father’s sincere attempt to avoid a situation where he may be unable to say or do the “civil” thing? Perhaps it is. But it is an appropriate term for a man who would acerbically ridicule that father, as Will did.

Shame on you, George Will.

Shame on you for attempting to convince us that eschewing the boot-licking propriety of Washington’s privileged class is a greater crime than refusing to ignore the suffering of those outside the realm of wealth and comfort. Shame on you for demanding blind, idiot respect for a man who has done everything to besmirch the honor of the very office he holds. Shame on you for belittling the tens of millions of Americans bemoaning the increasing elimination of the middle class.

It is ironically appropriate that Will would have the audacity to call Webb, or anyone, for that matter, a “pompous poseur.” After all, Will has been setting and exceeding that bar for most of his adult life.

Clearly, Senator-elect Webb is a threat. He is a threat because he speaks for millions more Americans than Will, or those he acts as resident apologist for, would ever have us believe. And for that, Senator-elect Jim Webb is not a “boor,” much like the man delivering the castigation. Indeed, Senator-elect Jim Webb is a genuine American hero.

P.S. All politics aside, "George, how could you... ...end your title with a preposition? Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put."

...is one of the THE funniest things I have ever read.

Perfect for Will.

Get a grip, George
Webb is exactly what we need more of, even if his politics are wrong.

Congress has so enshrined the idea that we all must be nice to each other that they have lost the ability to truly say anything anymore. A little borishness, incivility, and a willingness to say what you actually mean is definitely in order these days.

If you hadn't spent the last 25 years inside the beltway you'd know this.

Webb will not be re-elected.
Webb is twice the boor that Chuck Robb was. It is sad that none of this stupidity showed up before election day.

Virginians are smarter than that. I can't believe they elected Jim Webb to represent them.

Maybe a few tax hikes from the donkeys will teach them.

Coulter was right
Liberalism/Socialism is a religion. Webb is morally indigant because he(believes) is BETTER than dubya. Does Webb want the soliders home from Bosnia? You know that country who never threatened us or had WMDs?

Whats with all the MSM news media saying 'Mr Bush'?
Who is Mr Bush? Do they mean PRESIDENT BUSH?

I certainly don't recall them doing that to President Clinton...

Webb should have slugged Bush
Will writes about the episode a little dishonestly. After Webb expressed that he wanted the troops out of Iraq (a view shared by a majority of Americans), Bush petulantly and arrogantly replied, "That's not what I asked you." Bush deserved a fist to the mouth. I just wonder how the Secret Service lackies would have acted.

Bush's deepest personality flaw is his arrogance, a belief that he deserves power because he was born to privilege. Way back in prep school, Bush, like John McCain and Ted Kennedy, needed a hardy thrashing. Unfortunately, Bush never received a learning from any of his prep schools classmates.

Although I am sorry that George Allen was beaten by Webb, Senator Webb is refreshing in that he understands that the Iraq war is a quixotic, tragic fiasco and the bloodshed in Iraq is the fault of Bush. It is also refreshing that Webb, unlike most modern Republican politicians, understands that illegal immigration and absolutism on free trade is a dagger at the heart of working class whites, the people who have made this country of ours great and who are now despised by the American elite, both Republican and Democratic. I wish Webb would run for president-- as a Republican.

Webb Was Disrespectful and Rude
Since I have been severely critical of a number of George Will's recent columns concerning Iraq, I make this comment to show agreement with and reflect my high rating of this particular column. Webb's behavior with the President was disrespectful and rude. It was unbecoming of a retired Marine officer. It was uncalled for and boorish. It indicates that the voters of Virginia made a very bad mistake.

As for those readers who are supporting Webb with comments here, you put yourselves in the same low life category as Webb did by his conduct with the President. To say, for example, as johninoregon writes here, that Webb showed restraint by not punching the President is lunacy. I happen to think very highly of President Bush, but even if one has severely critical views of the President, one does not engage in the kind of behavior that Webb did.

I can think of
a lot more classy and therefore effective ways to show one's disagreement with the president.

An Edmund Burke or a Benjamin Disraeli, Jim Webb ain't.

Senator elect Webb
As a recent escapee from McLean VA, and now posted to China, I watched the campaign with wry assument.

Despite an almost visceral Republican dislike for many of former President Clinton's machinations and manouvers, I cannot recall any members of the GOP being the classless boob that Webb has shown himself to be.


Not Mount Rushmore Material
Will claims that Webb showed "patent disrespect for the presidency." Nonsense. Webb showed restraint by not slugging a man who has done more than anyone in history to bring shame to the office once held by truly great men. Call him the president least likely to ever have his likeness chiseled on the side of a mountain.

Not much of a choice.
Virginians, and I am one, did not have much of a choice in this past election. Pretty Boy Allen vs. Loose Cannon Webb. Did anyone really expect civility out of Webb when his past is littered with vitriol? With Webb now a part of Nancy's crew, I'm sure this slap at Bush is the tip of the iceberg. Hold on for a bumpy ride!

A crude boor at best
There may come a time where Webb matures to become a decent representative of the values of the people of Virginia. Right now, he is simply being crude, boorish, and rude....not exactly unexpected of a man who makes his millions (yeah..him talking about the poor!) by writing child pornography. Typical phony populist who wants to make a name by insulting the President of the United States. This chap is the poster boy of the age old question 'were you born in a barn?'

Wasn't Webb one of the Libs that
Conservatives were trying to feel "pretty good" about (along with Lieberman)? Pretty sad situation this "teaching the GOP" a lesson got you all in...having to look toward "moderate" Libs to fund our military, appoint decent judges, keep our tax cuts.

As for all the RINO Bush bashers...sooner or later, you guys are going to come to this unsavory truth...you have only ONE real point of power now. You can either start supporting your only ace or you can fold and leave the table to the proponents of open borders (and real amnesty)...barbaric abortions, constitutional right to gay marriage...anti-military, pro-one World government...and higher taxes that will tank your 401k and stocks.

As one by one is lost...I will be there to remind you that in 2004, the immigration laws were NOT enforced...the "peace" in Iraq had not been won...Congress had NOT stopped spending money...so exactly what was it in 2006 that brought all this "disappointment?" from the so-called Conservatives?

The RINO press who bashed the GOP and all things Bush were either being deceptive when they barely mentioned these issues before the 2004 election OR they were looking at their ratings when they decided to keep hammering about them in 2006.




I AM MUCH LESS CIVIL MYSELF NOW
I AM WONDERING IF ALL THE COMMENTS SO FAR ARE FROM DEMOCRATS FROM VIRGINIA?

JUST WONDERING THOUGH. I AM A CONSERVATIVE AND MANY OF US HAVE TOTALLY LOST PATIENCE WITH THE PRESIDENT AS WELL. SADLY, THE MORE AND LONGER SOME OF MY FRIENDS BELIEVED IN BUSH, THE MORE DISRESPECTFUL AND CONTEMPTUOUS THEY HAVE BECOME AS HIS BAD MOVES ADD UP.

MY FRIENDS HAD NO REASON TO BELIEVE BUSH WAS A CONSERVATIVE OR THAT BUSH WAS OPPOSED TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION OR THAT HE EVER KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING IN IRAQ. THEY HAD NO REASON TO BELIEVE. THEY JUST DID. AND NOW THEY ARE DISAPPOINTED. REALLY NONE OF US HAD ANY BASIS TO BELIEVE THAT BUSH EVEN KNEW THAT CONSERVATIVES EXISTED.

BEN FRANKLIN SAID, "LISTEN TO YOUR ENEMIES, THEY WILL TELL YOU YOUR FAULTS." LISTEN TO THE DEMOS. WHEN THEY SAID WE HAD A STUPID PRESIDENT, WE HADN'T EVEN HAD DUBAI, OR MYERS, OR GEO WW'S MEXICAN NANNY THAT NOW GUIDES HIS IMMIGRATION POLICY. IN JUST A LITTLE WHILE WE ARE GOING TO GET SOMETHING FROM HIS BLUE RIBBON COMMISSION ON IRAQ. AND IT WON'T BE PRETTY. NO ONE ON THE COMMITTEE HAS ANY EXPERTISE. AND IT WON'T BE CONFIDENTIAL. THIS COMMITTEE IS GOING PUBLIC. AND IF IT SAYS CUT AND RUN BUSH IS GOING TO BE TOTALLY BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL. HE CANNOT APPEAR TO GO AGAINST THE DEMOS, THE MEDIA, THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, AND HIS OWN STUDY GROUP. IS HE STUPID? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A MAN WHO ALLOWED HIMSELF TO BE PHOTOGRAPHED HOLDING HANDS WITH THE SAUDI KING.

LET'S TALK ABOUT IRAQ. WHOSE BRIGHT IDEA WAS IT TO BOMB THE SEWERS AND THE WATER PIPES? WE WERE PLANNING ON OCCUPYING THE COUNTRY AFTERWARDS. SURVEYORS CREATED IRAQ AND THE BAATHISTS CONTINUED THE FICTION. WHEN BUSH DISSOLVED THE ARMY AND THE BAATHIST PARTY HE TOTALLY DISARMED THE SUNNIS. THE SUNNIS STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN OVER IT. WITHOUT THE SUNNIS HOW DO WE KEEP THE MAJORITY SHIA'S FROM JOINING WITH IRAN AND HAVING MORE CONTROL OVER OIL PRICES THAN THE SAUDIS? HOW DO WE PREVENT THE TWO OF THEM FROM CONQUERING KUWAIT? BUSH WENT IN WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO BE TOUGH. SADDAM HUSSEIN SHOULD HAVE BEEN OUR TEACHER. IF WE WERE GOING TO KEEP THE SHIAS IN LINE WE NEED TO DO TO AL-SADR WHAT SADDAM WOULD HAVE DONE AND BUSH DIDN'T. THE SIMPLE FACT IS, SADDAM HUSSEIN'S SUCCESSOR IS GOING TO BE THE GOVERNMENT OF IRAN AND IRAN IS FAR WORSE THAN SADDAM. AND BUSH DID THIS TO US. HE HAS NO CHARISMA TO LEAD. HE IS NOT TOUGH. HE IS POLITICALLY CORRECT.

WE ARE HEARING ABOUT A REGIONAL SOLUTION TO IRAQ NOW? LET'S SEE, ISN'T THAT WHAT IRAN HAS ALWAYS WANTED IN IRAQ AND IN LEBANON. WHAT MESSAGE DOES REGIONAL TALKS GIVE TO OUR SUPPORTERS IN IRAQ? A FEW DAYS AGO I SAW THE PRESIDENT OF IRAQ HUGGING AND KISSING THE PRESIDENT OF IRAN. IT IS ALL FALLING APART AND I'M SORRY GEORGE, I JUST DON'T FEEL CIVIL. I SHOULD BE RESPECTFUL TO THE PRESIDENT BUT IT JUST ISN'T HAPPENING NOW.

Buy some pearls.
Maybe George Will should buy himself a string of pretty pearls so he can clutch them everytime someone dares to say what everyone has been feeling.

Will's Off Base As Usual
Mr. Will claims Jim Webb is a boor for refusing to pose for a photo op or to answer Bush's repeated questions about his son. He neglects to mention that Bush responded to Webb's first answer with "that's not what I asked. How's your boy?" The question has a waspish, angry tone, and was clearly intended to force Webb to discuss his family member when he was broadcasting his unwillingness to do so. Where I grew up it was considered rude to demand that mere acquaintances answer personal questions. Is there a different standard when the interrogator is the President? How is it "civil and caring" to demand an answer to a personal question?

Mr. Will is annoyed with Mr. Webb for avoiding Mr. Bush. Webb and Bush are adversaries. Dispense with the pretense. Webb's making it clear that he won't tolerate the Bush pattern of bullying and exclusion with occasional insincere overtures like photo ops. Look at Bush's history. He's been talking about cooperation and bipartisanship for years, but his actions and subsequent defamatory statements say otherwise. Webb has just declared that he won't play the game on Bush's terms. This is being a "pompous poseur"?

Next, Mr. Will declares Mr. Webb an "abuser of the English language". I didn't have any problem taking Mr. Webb's meaning. And do tell, what national economic statistics are so good? Recent Bureau of Labor Statistics figures show many major industries and occupations losing huge numbers of jobs. What about the massive loans from China? How is the growth supposed to be sustained? Why is it that stodgy magazines like the Economist are saying that the United States is headed for a financial fall, one involving loss of middle class and college-educated jobs? Rather than address the substance of Mr. Webb's article Mr. Will bores his readers to death with pointless grammatical exposition. If you don't like the message, Mr. Will, tell us why, but please don't turn it into English 101.

"Senator" Webb
This man showed his rear end during the entire campaign (and in some of his writings and opinions about women prior to the campaign). None of his behaviors now are a surprise, yet still a disappointment so soon in the LONG 6 year game. I think as time passes, George Allen will be delighted not to be serving in the coming Congress, yet I suspect he will always regret his own bad behaviors in the campaign. He will find many things more deserving of his time, talent, and attention, while those left in Washington can "slug it out". Despite his inappropriate ways and behaviors, Virginians elected Webb anyway... they deserve whatever comes from him as a Senator...good, bad, boorish, or otherwise. He's their guy!

Georgie?
If Senator-elect Webb did treat President Bush with such disrepect then my admiration for him goes up considerably. President Bush is a despicable human being, so who cares is someone treats him rudely?

However, Georgie, if Mr Webb is such a fool then why do you change your opinion of Iraq from support to opposition? Why did you fail to forsee the sectarian violence that plagues Iraq, making any notion of western style democracy an absurdity? Before the war, Mr Webb was already warning about the perils of invading Iraq and why it wasn't in our national security interest. Did you make the same arugments, George? Or were you just another water boy for George Bush and the Republicans?

To your credit, you know realize the war in Iraq was a blunder, but Mr Webb knew this before you did and publicly said so. You, however, were the one playing fool, not Mr Webb.




Really?
"In a republic, people decline to be led by leaders who are insufferably full of themselves."

Mr. Will, have you assessed our political leaders lately?

Webb is exactly what the Senate needs
Will derides Webb for grammatical imperfection. For example: ``I'd like to get them (sic) out of Iraq.'' Why (sic) it to Webb? Webb was talking about wanting to get all of the troops (THEM) home. He chastises Webb for his op-ed piece in the WSJ based on incorrect word usage. Concluding: "And he has been elected to be a senator, not Humpty Dumpty in ``Through the Looking Glass.'' Well, Will, if you care so much about imprecise communication and qualification to hold elected office, you must have a field day with George W. Bush's speech, verbal blunders, incoherent delivery and non-sequitur utterances. How many scathing columns critical of President Bush's verbal offerings has Mr. Will made? Oh, well. So much for being "clarity" police.

Let us address the civility factor.

Mr. Will states: "[Bush] asked a civil and caring question, as one parent to another". I wonder if Mr. Will was present to understand the body language, the tone and delivery of the question.

Let us assume, for argument sake, President Bush was sincere in his question.

After Webb's answer, was Bush's response: "That's not the question. How is your boy?" not a confrontation? The civil thing, if that is of concern, would have been for President Bush to ignore the slight and excuse himself.

Webb is exactly what we need. Too many legislators have failed to challenge George Bush's many questionable actions and usurpation of power. We need someone to tell the emperor that his new clothes are transparent. Webb will do that. Too many Senators, from both parties, are sycophants. Webb is a breath of fresh air, I wish him well and I believe he will serve his constituency with distinction.

George Allen lost. Get over it.

Webb is exactly what the Senate needs
Will derides Webb for grammatical imperfection. For example: ``I'd like to get them (sic) out of Iraq.'' Why (sic) it to Webb? Webb was talking about wanting to get all of the troops (THEM) home. He chastises Webb for his op-ed piece in the WSJ based on incorrect word usage. Concluding: "And he has been elected to be a senator, not Humpty Dumpty in ``Through the Looking Glass.'' Well, Will, if you care so much about imprecise communication and qualification to hold elected office, you must have a field day with George W. Bush's speech, verbal blunders, incoherent delivery and non-sequitur utterances. How many scathing columns critical of President Bush's verbal offerings has Mr. Will made? Oh, well. So much for being "clarity" police.

Let us address the civility factor.

Mr. Will states: "[Bush] asked a civil and caring question, as one parent to another". I wonder if Mr. Will was present to understand the body language, the tone and delivery of the question.

Let us assume, for argument sake, President Bush was sincere in his question.

After Webb's answer, was Bush's response: "That's not the question. How is your boy?" not a confrontation? The civil thing, if that is of concern, would have been for President Bush to ignore the slight and excuse himself.

Webb is exactly what we need. Too many legislators have failed to challenge George Bush's many questionable actions and usurpation of power. We need someone to tell the emperor that his new clothes are transparent. Webb will do that. Too many Senators, from both parties, are sycophants. Webb is a breath of fresh air, I wish him well and I believe he will serve his constituency with distinction.

George Allen lost. Get over it.

Another issue
Besides the language used, the premise of this piece is that Webb is a boor. In all social transactions there is a pleasant discussion "How is your wife? Did you enjoy your vacation?" To respond to those type of questions with a political posture "My wife hates your policy on..." or "My vacation was ruined by the destruction caused by your policy of ..." is rude and destructive of the conversation. It is saying "There will be no meeting of the minds here. I am your enemy and will not listen to anything you say or consider you worth talking to." In this case, "I'm certainly looking forward to working with him and his administration." is certainly a lie.

Comrade
This was not nitpicky. The word literally means "this means exactly what it says". It is to distinguish between someone who was bisected (and likely killed) in a romance vs. someone who was figuratively torn apart by their romance.

The word infinitely is also not a nitpick. This means without end. For someone to become infinately more rich than I am, I need to have no money and he has to have all of it. A simple word could have replaced this. He could have said that they are hugely more wealthy, extremely more wealthy, or lots of other adjectives.

On the other hand, complaining about punctuation that does not impact the meaning, about use of grammar, or other style issues ARE nitpicky because they do not eliminate the meaning nor change it. The word choice does. To read what Webb said, you would have to believe that the "Rich Americans" do not vote in our elections, pay taxes, or have homes that are within the United States of America. You would also have to believe that they have 100% of all wealth in the nation.

Try this: "America's top tier has grown immensely richer and more removed over the past 25 years. It is not unfair to say that they are figuratively living in a different country."

George, how could you...
...end your title with a preposition. Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put. But I see he illustrates a point. See, you gotta read the article before you comment on it.

At least Bush had the class not to ask Webb if he had cleaned off his son's wee-wee.

Webb hasn't even been sworn in and he's become a perfect senator--stentorian, majestic in tone, and utterly incomprehensible. Give him a botox injection and the right hairstylist and he's a natural fill-in for John Fitzgerald Kerry. Senators are fundamentally useless creatures--I think Jefferson's analogy of pouring hot coffee into a saucer is perfectly apt. Why the he77 would you pour coffee into a saucer?!!

So he's setting himself up as the down home, folkspun man of the people. He can wander into Alexandria and ask where "I can get me a latte."


Max
Huh?

MOAR WEBB PLZ
Jim Web is exactly what we need more of in Washington.
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