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Sunday, September 23, 2007
Frank Pastore :: Townhall.com Columnist
No More Free Lunch at the Health Care Buffet
by Frank Pastore
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All this health care talk can sometimes get confusing.

Who doesn’t want better health care for less money? I’d love to pay less for my insurance as long as I could still go to the doctors of my choice, the hospitals of my choice, and get the procedures and treatments of my choice. I’d like my prescription drugs to be cheaper too. I don’t want to wait several weeks to get in to see a doctor, and when I get in, I want the comfort of knowing that he or she is qualified to do what I expect.

I want all of this, and I’m sure you do too. Who doesn’t?

But, this isn’t what the health care debate is really about.

Let me be politically incorrect and state the obvious.

The rich will always be able to get the quality health care they want because they can simply buy it. But the poor cannot get quality care, because they simply can’t afford it. If they’re going to get health care at all, it will have to be given to them for free, or nearly free. The vast majority of us somewhere in the middle simply want to continue getting the best health care we can afford while paying for only our “fair share” and not being taken advantage of. We want the biggest bang for our buck without being played for fools.

The real issue in the current health care debate isn’t about the rich or the middle class, however. It’s about the poor and the best way to provide them free services without ruining the whole system for everybody else.

Liberals look to Europe and Canada as examples, believing that socialized medicine is the solution.

Conservatives believe that would be exactly the wrong way to go. We want less government in health care, not more. We want more market dynamics in the process and we want to allow people more ownership over their health care decisions. We believe this will solve most of the current problems and greatly improve the entire health care system without having to overcorrect, panic and hit the “HillaryCare” button.

There’s one fundamental dynamic that must be changed in our health care system, whether we go the liberal or the conservative route, and it has to do with basic human nature.

If something is free, it will be undervalued, underappreciated, taken for granted with a sense of entitlement, over-consumed, and ultimately wasted before finally being rationed. Think of those cafeteria-style restaurants with an all-you-can-eat buffet. Would we get healthier people and waste less food by giving them a “Free Buffet Coupon” every day for dinner or a $20 bill and the choice of ordering off a menu and keeping the change?

Obviously, someone does pay for the “free” healthcare provided to the poor: the American taxpayer.

But, instead of taxpayers handing a “Free Buffet Coupon” directly to the cashier for all the poor, what we’ve got to do is provide the poor—and all health care consumers—with a greater sense of ownership, individual responsibility and choice to eliminate the incentive to overeat and waste food.

The best way to do this is with money, either in the form of cash or credit.

After all, if we want people to save for college or retirement, we offer them a tax-free IRA.

If we want people to buy houses, we allow them to deduct the mortgage interest from their taxable income.

And, if we want people to save money for health care, we should let them open a tax-free Health Savings Account.

And, if we want them to buy health insurance, we should allow them to deduct the health insurance premiums.

Put simply, if we want people to lead healthier lives, we need to give them the incentive to do so. The message has got to be, “An unhealthy life costs you money, a healthy life saves you money.” If you lead a “high risk” lifestyle, you should expect to pay a higher premium on your health insurance than someone who is more health conscious.

If good drivers with clean records can get a discount on their auto insurance, then why can’t those who lead a healthy life get a discount on their health insurance?

This isn’t discrimination, it’s the market doing what it does best: analyzing risk and fixing cost.

We’ve got to come up with a way for the poor to take ownership of their health care and the best way I know of to do this is with money.

If we don’t do this, I’m afraid liberals will convince a majority of voters that HillaryCare is our only option “for the poor,” and we’re going to lose the best health care system in the world.

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The Frank Pastore Show is heard in Los Angeles weekday afternoons on 99.5 KKLA and on the web at kkla.com, and is the winner of the 2006 National Religious Broadcasters Talk Show of the Year. Frank is a former major league pitcher with graduate degrees in both philosophy of religion and political philosophy.
 
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Cont

A women wrote Ronald Reagan of her hardship and he immediately mailed her a $5K check. He didn’t demand Congress steal money to give to her.

The Bible was written to the individual and all charity is individual where it is said, you take care of the poor, you give a drink, and you nurse to health.

I worked 105hrs/wk all my life so I could help others. Why don’t you double your work week and then you can use half your income to help the poor?

LAWriter writes: 28, 2007 4:50 PM
Frank doesn't oppose the "government run" health care that President Bush and Vice President Cheney have RIGHT NOW. Because they are white and wealthy GOPers?

Actually, America is ranked 37 out of 91 countries in health care world wide according to a study done by the World Health Organization:


DESKJOCKEY WRITES

Isn’t Condi Rice on that plan also? Bush increased national health more than anyone since FDR. Isn’t the WHO a Marxist operation that hates AmeriKa and promote communism & giver-ment health care?

Yes, Frank is wrong because there should be no Fed health care and that is why our founders didn’t provide for it. The reason we have CEO run health care is because of our current giver-ment legislation started in WWII. Get the giver-ment out of it and the corporate plans stop. Once they stop the market explodes no different than when we got giver-ment out of the phone business with ATT or the airline business. What happen to phone rates? Well I was paying $100 per month with long distance and 25 years later I pay $8.50/mth with digital unlimited LD and every feature available that even ATT can’t offer. Imagine health care dropping in cost like that. As Noble social economist Milton Friedman said, if you put the giver-ment in charge of the desert, in two years you’ll have no sand. Oh talking about delivering babies, England now will not deliver them any longer. The system can’t afford it so they are instructing folks to use midwives. No sand.


LAWriter writes: 28, 2007 4:50 PM

BTW, 47 million uninsured Americans WILL infect the 253 million insured over and over with disease, but Frank never mentions that either.

DESKJOCKEY WRITES
There are only about 2.7 million uninsured that are making less than $50K/yr, not illegal, not on other giver-ment medical programs. Therefore these folks just walk into the hospital for free care or use one of the free social service programs in town. And these uninsured should not be forced to have insurance they clearly don’t want. If they want it they'll buy it and not buy entertainment centers, Nikes, go to movies, dinner, buy a car, etc. It is merely a value judgment.

LAWriter writes: 28, 2007 4:50 PM
You'd think someone who professes to be a Christian, as Frank does, would place human life above the almighty dollar.

DESKJOCKEY WRITES
The Christian follows the Bible not Socialist redistribution schemes. No where in the Bible do we see collectivism or giver-ment instructed to provide care. The Christians provide this to their church members and very close neighbors under Biblical instruction. The Good Samaritan did not call social services like a left winger and walk on by. He understood that this obligation was placed in front of himself for himself to respond to. Every Amerikan could hire their own full time doctor if we just stop all the Unconstitutional spending. That would free up $2.4Trillion a year. It is a value judgment and the public clearly wants somebody spending their money on sexual arousal during porn flick studies than on health.


LAWriter writes: 28, 2007 4:50 PM
I'm so glad my Lord and savior Jesus Christ would never place a dollar ahead of human life.

DESKJOCKEY WRITES
We need more people like you and me who feel that way and actually use our own money and seek out those in need, instead of being like those that give lip service of great concern and then let the giver-ment do it so they keep their money.
Cont

LAWriter writes: 28, 2007 4:50 PM

America has the SECOND WORST newborn DEATH rate in the industrialized world:
But,hey, just let the 'free market" decide which babies live or die.

DESKJOCKEY RESPONDS

If we stop all the illegals coming up from SA bringing outrageous disease unknown to us to download anchor babies we can knock out much of the problem. If we can stop the drug and alcohol use we can make great strides on better child birth. No mother is denied the absolute best care. We have the best care we just don’t care to have the best health behavior.

What evidence do you have that giver-ment can manage a better choice of doctor, cure, etc. than you choosing that for yourself in a free market? Is it Walter Reed Hospital?

LAWriter writes: 28, 2007 4:50 PM
Imagine Jesus Christ placing a "free market value" on someone's life. Imagine Jesus comparing a human being's life to a buffet?

DESKJOCKEY RESONDS
The Bible was against giver-ment health care and for free market value. 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Proverbs 10:4, Proverbs 6:9-11. In fact you will find no verse promoting any kind of giver-ment welfare to buy votes or for any other reason.

LAWriter writes: 28, 2007 4:50 PM
In fact the USA scored a "D" in health care according to a study by the Commonwealth Fund:
http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/health/feeds/hscout/2006/09/20/hscout535048.html

DESKJOCKEY WRITES
This Marxist organization makes grants to the left of the left to promote various socialist solutions to their agenda. They lobby congress for national health care. To get the A we have to go national health.

The best health care system? LOL!
Poor Frank, still living in delusion that America has the " the best health care system in the world."

Yet America has the SECOND WORST newborn DEATH rate in the industrialized world:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/parenting/05/08/mothers.index/index.html

You'd think a pro-life Christian like Frank Pastore would know that, apparently not. But,hey, just let the 'free market" decide which babies live or die.

Imagine Jesus Christ placing a "free market value" on someone's life. Imagine Jesus comparing a human being's life to a buffet?

In fact the USA scored a "D" in health care according to a study by the Commonwealth Fund:

http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/health/feeds/hscout/2006/09/20/hscout535048.html

BTW, 47 million uninsured Americans WILL infect the 253 million insured over and over with disease, but Frank never mentions that either.

You'd think someone who professes to be a Christian, as Frank does, would place human life above the almighty dollar.

I'm so glad my Lord and savior Jesus Christ would never place a dollar ahead of human life.

Notice Frank doesn't oppose the "government run" health care that President Bush and Vice President Cheney have RIGHT NOW.

Why no Frank-knows-best lectures for Bush and Cheney? Because they are white and wealthy GOPers?

Actually, America is ranked 37 out of 91 countries in health care world wide according to a study done by the World Health Organization:

http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre/press_release/en/index.html

No more corporate run health care; CEOs should not decide what care you can or cannot have.






Cont


The hospitals should stop all unpaid care. If the churches and the local town want to provide care for the exceptional case that is their right to do so, but I’d advise against it. I have no right to take a gun or demand the giver-ment take a gun and go to your house and steal your money to pay for my laziness or my car, or my Nikes so that I can pay for my health care.

Let me say that we don’t have a health care problem in AmeriKa we have a values problem. I worked my entire life clocking in on average between 80-120 hrs per week. I tried to keep it at 105hr. Now at $7.25/hr that works out to $40K a year. So a guy buys a policy with a $2,500 deductible for $200/mth and he is on his way.

No, no deskjockey you don’t understand he has a family of 4 and a house to keep up and yada, yada. Well that is not a healthcare problem that is a values problem. What he wants is for me to pay for the poor value judgments he makes. Therefore I’m paying for his wife & kids, I’m paying for his house. I’m paying for his refusal to not work a good long week. I’m just paying for all the bad decisions he made.



Touj writes: 24, 2007 6:18 PM

Desk Jockey
"The poor KNOW they can get health care..."

…. you are still paying for their health care…

…I know who can't afford insurance don't just walk in, get their arms set, and walk out. They still get billed, and the default process is painstaking, humiliating, ….

DESKJOCKEY WRTIES

You are correct. Notice what I said, “the poor Know”. As I said after that quote, it creates a moral hazard knowing you can do it.

Regarding the default process, it obviously is not painstaking or humiliating enough as hospitals along the border and in CA are folding in record numbers.

The problem is one of values. Does the giver-ment take 30% of your income away to pay for research on arousal during porn flicks or let you keep your money to pay for your health? 2/3rd of the budget is unconstitutional let alone the waste in the legal part. Imagine if we freed up; $2.4 trillion a year we could build a small hospital onto our house and afford a full time doctor to man it. It is a values judgment. And mind you if we get national health care we are not paying for it by cutting the porn research, but by taking more of your money away so now you can’t afford clothes. Eventually the giver-ment will give you clothes by raising your taxes yet more instead of cutting the porn waste. You then say, but now I can afford food. No problem the giver-ment will raise your taxes more and give you food and now you say I can afford my apartment because your taking the last of my money. The giver-ment will say no problem we will put you on a chain gang in our tent city and make you a globull citizen.

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Use of force
"All insurance is based on the concept of shared risk. We are resigned to paying automobile and homeowners' insurance. Why should health insurance be different?"

We must buy car insurance because there is a legitimate risk that others will be harmed by our actions. We must buy HO insurance because the mortgage company wants to protect its interest in the building and in our earning power. (If you do not have a mortgage, there is no requirement to buy the insurance, but not doing so is a bad idea.) Health insurance differs because there is no likely risk that our actions will harm anyone else. At least, if the government weren't forcing us to accept its edicts vis-a-vis "health care".

Liberals, i.e., communists, don't like anything to do with voluntarism. They insist that people are too stupid or lazy to do anything important for themselves and that only bureaucrats and politicians can or will do it right. They want to protect people from their own stupidity.

You cannot ignore the Law of Supply and Demand. The market knows the right price for anything. If health care is "too expensive", it's because people who want it are unwilling to pay what it's really worth. What that means is that they are unwilling to pay what the person who produces it is willing to accept. So you are willing to use potentially lethal force to coerce him into accepting a lower price. Or more often, you are willing to use lethal force to coerce third parties (i.e., taxpayers) to make up the difference.

It is quite common for liberals to oppose the use of force to defend this country, but to vehemently demand the use of lethal force to create rights for chosen groups.

Government-run schools cannot be reformed into places of learning any more than grasshoppers can be reformed into Lamborghinis.

Le
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Please visit http://www.schoolandstate.org

AliveInHim
"Health insurance is available to those without jobs, so it is not true that those without jobs can't get health insurance. Strike one.

Those without money can't get health insurance, but it is not true that those without health insurance can't get health care. Strike two."

Yes, but how do they pay for it?


Mary C.


Alive In Him:

You ask how do they pay for it?

Simple. "They" don't. WE do-and I'm sick of being made to pay for everyone else's problems because some people feel badly for them.

The point is, there is no denial of "health care" to any who need it. IT IS THE LAW that any who walk into an ER MUST receive care, even though a transfer to a public facility may be part of whatever further treatment is deemed necessary. Just spend a while in your local ER and tell us that most of those there couldn't just as well be at the county clinic.
_____________________________________________________________

You seem to have missed my point. I am pointing out the silliness of saying that the unemployed person can get health insurance, because by virtue of being unemployed, probably he/she cannot pay for it. That does not I mean I am arguing that the rest of us all should have to pay for it.

Also, you are paying for it by having the uninsured go to emergency rooms, which cost many times more than the same treatment in a doctor’s office. Those unpaid bills’ expense gets passed onto the prices the rest of us pay. So, just how does that solve anything? I don’t really see your point there.

Mary C.

Slavery to the state
"Social cooperation is not enslavement. It is simply the price of living in civlization rather than a jungle wilderness. By your defintion, I am enslaved because I pay school tax although I have no children in the school system."

Yes, you are enslaved, irrespective of whether you have children in school or not.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than
those who falsely believe they are free.
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

What is to stop you from funding socialist programs voluntarily? If they are so good, we should all line up to pay without compulsion. But since some of us recognize they are inherently flawed, we would choose another means to the end.

"Our Founding Fathers did not enumerate health care because they wrote the Founding Documents in the 18th Century when nothing like modern medicine was even dreamed of."

Mind reading (or necromancing)? You miss the entire point of the Constitution if you rally believe the Founders wrote a document that would allow one person to parasitize another? There is not a word that lends credibility to your empty charge that it was only because they didn't know about "modern" medicine that they didn't mandate that I pay for someone else's health care. There was hunger then, and there is no federal kitchen clause. There were cold homes, yet no free fuel clause.

No, there is no substantial reason to think that the Constitution is lacking only the words to require universal health care. And that does not even glance a the fallacy of thinking there could be such a program.

Government-run schools are no broken, they are doing exactly what their founders designed them to do: weaken families and foster subservience to government.

Le
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Please visit http://www.schoolandstate.org

Pointguard
YES,yes give me gasoline!!!! I just paid 2.99 a gallon for a fill-up the other day and between giving my high-schooler who is also going to college part-time a ride to college every day, I need more today. Just kidding.......... about the gas.

more insensitivity!

I teach in a public school. You will be happy to know that YOU help give 80% of my school's students a FREE or REDUCED priced lunch.

What you may NOT be happy about is that 90% of my school's students own beautiful, sleek, and new cell phones...hmm...with $50-60 a month plan.

This simply drives me crazy.

By the way, I have a question for liberals out there. What's next? Free gas? Free cars?

YOU (liberals) are the reason that so many poor stay poor. You ENABLE them!!

the problem is the poor people!!
Okay, I know some of the liberal weenies will get upset with this, but the BIGGEST problem with healthcare is that poor people are poor. Instead of creating all these fancy programs that steal from you and me and give to the poor, these politicians should create programs that teach poor people how to make more money.

Plus, as Desk Jockey points out, so many "poor" people are doing great compared to the rest of the world...it's about priorities...do I spend my $500 on some new rims, or do I purchase health insurance???? Oh, that's right, I voted for a Democrat...that means I get to keep my rims and rob my neighbor...after all, I am poor and ENTITLED to it.


lilly writes: 23, 2007 1:30 PM

Deskjockey, You are Nuts
1) Social cooperation is not enslavement. …..

DESKJOCKEY WRITES

Marxist speak, “Social cooperation is not enslavement”.

Social cooperation: Definition; one party agrees not to work or buy health care so they can buy a new car and the other party agrees to pays for it.

Regarding skul (sic) tax, you would be enslaved if you had 12 kids and paid the tax. You’re enslaved by the confiscation of property and demand that you purchase k-12 giver-ment indoctrination camps with it.

The Founding Fathers had skuls and they debated and rejected putting that in the Constitution. They rejected health care for the same reason. You’re suggesting once we get HDTV the giver-ment should pay for it because we never had anything like it before? Oooops, they are!

Why can’t homeless men live the lifestyle they prefer rather than that of a busy body? In NYC they refused shelter being forced on them.

Poor skul (sic) children, oh my. What is better, 1) cut off all welfare benefits 2) raise welfare benefits for having children. This is called “moral hazard” in economics. Giver-ment will get more of what they pay for.

Look, I grew up in a barn my early years with no heat and broken windows. I’d get up in the morning blue from freezing all night and the lick ice off my walls. Our family fought bronchitis and pneumonia continually. We had no TV, car. We had a bed and a couch and two changes of clothes, no shoes but sneakers. I became wealthy. I stay that way because every deal I do I think through very carefully as I wake up thinking of no heat, and a half hotdog at night for food. My folks only ate soup during the week and they split a hotdog on Sat. night. I looked like a Nazi prison camp inmate until I hit my 30’s. My dad became successful later in life. They had no right to download two kids and take a gun, walk down the street and tell some guy to fork over $30K per year in taxes to pay for their decision. .



Other People's Money
The current healthcare system is dominated by the psychology called Other People's Money. See the discourse on the subject at http://www.healthcaresoundoff.com. Mr. Pastore is on the right track. http://www.healthcaresoundoff.com suggests a Healthcare Access Card as a first step to getting the poor the kind of health care the middle class insured get and starts to put all people on the same footing for first dollar expenditures up to $5,000. It also incorporates some of the tax credit, health savings account mechanisms that are considerably less expensive and have a lower tax impact.

SteveL writes: 23, 2007 11:37 AM

for Deskjockey
Deskjockey writes: "However, if the poor wanted health care they’d give up one car, Nike shoes, vacation, gambling, drugs, gold teeth and gold chains, entertainment centers, etc and buy it."

WRONG.

The poor KNOW they can get health care at any Emergency Room whether they have health insurance or not. The courts have ruled that the uninsured, even illegal aliens, cannot be turned away from hospital care.

DESKJOCKEY WRITES

I covered this point. “All others can either walk into a hospital or be taken care of by the local town giver-ment or church, should either be so inclined and where they have more accurate knowledge of the person’s real need. Even that should be most rare as it creates a moral hazard that begs others to not provide for their own needs.”


He who pays the piper ..
"Your comments about bedside manner and modern doctors, I believe, are true ... . This however is not dependent on which administrative system pays the bill."

You are wrong in this. He who pays the bill **always** controls the relationship. It is precisely because we have "health insurance" that doctors have become able to be rude, obnoxious, and curt: the company pays for short (read: non-involved) visits.

The **only** way the patient can control the visit is by paying for the visit himself.

We do not generally have "health insurance" in USmerica, we have pre-paid medical visit coverage.

The way we could improve health care in USmerica doesn't interest politicians and bureaucrats because it evicts them from the palace. Catastrophic coverage, with say a $8,000 deductible, would cost nearly nothing. People could decide for themselves whether to visit the doctor or not. As it is, with an insured (seemingly) low price for a visit, most people choose to go, using up a precious resource when it is not necessary. Which, according to the immutable law of supply and demand, raises the real price of the visit, and of all medical care.

It doesn't matter at all who pays for insurance for this discussion. The issue is insurance itself. It (and all the regulations, including Ted Kennedy's HMOs) is what took medical care out of the patient's hands and destroyed the doctor-patient relationship.

Your program does nothing at all to correct this distortion. In fact, by taking the decision process of what company's product to buy (and which products the company will offer) out of their hands, you increase the distance between the patients and their doctors.

No child deserves the 12-year sentence.
Save yours from the government's youth
concentration camps.

Le
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Please visit http://www.schoolandstate.org

lilly
Your idea of Social Cooperation would be practiced at gunpoint: that is, Cooperate Or Else. Y'all have been trying reason and persuasion (okay, nagging) for generations and you cannot convince people to do it your way. Now you are ready in your desperation to use force. Cooperate or Die.

Last Friday I went to my doctor for a 10-minute procedure. I sat in the waiting room (full at 8:15 a.m.) for 30 minutes, then asked the receptionist how soon i could expect to be seen, since I had to get to work. She informed me only then that the nurse had not showed up for work yet and therefore not only had NO ONE been seen, but she had no idea when anyone WOULD be seen! Since this is Kanukistan, she was sorry.

That's Part I. Part II is that after (andonly AFTER) I complained, she gave me a form I could take to a lab ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY OFFICE and get the same test done. So I wasted more than an hour and a $2.75 subway fare, when if anybody in that practice had the brains God gave a fern, I could have been given that form two weeks ago when I was in the office for a prescription renewal -- OR when I walked in I could have been told that the nurse was absent but take this form to Clinic X and you're all set.

Since they get paid the same amount no matter how much of my time they waste, why wouldn't they behave that way? (Incidentally, had the loud mouthed American not asked questions, the Canadians would have sat there passively until the nurse arrived or they died. This is the way socialism trains them.)

Life Expecancy and Australia
Australia is an unusual place, funny animal and all. A majority of what impacts life expectancy in the US is not a major problem in Australia.
Probably the number one difference between Australia and the US is the weather. There is no real extreme cold in the land down under. Most Australians don't need to deal with ice and snow unless they want to go on vataction. While Australia is arguably hotter, longer, we just don't have much in the way of weather related deaths, cold or hot.
Australians tend to spend more time in the outdoors than the average American. Swimming is Australia's national pasttime.
The speed limit on the roads are slightly lower and the interstates have a much lighter load than the US.
There has always been a much lower rate of gun ownership.

This is just a start but I hope you can see how these could impact life expectancy.

sentido writes:
The Australians pay less than half what we do
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The problem is that the Australians don't really know what they pay for health care, by some estimates 8% of income, of which 1.5% is levied directly. That is just for the government provided health care with the long lines and limited services. Can you say "Life Saving"

In Australia, if you want to have comparable access to health care as in the US, you need to purchase private medical insurance. This is where "quality of life" or "life extending" are found.

As an Australian, I know the system does not work for many people. Growing up, there were always fund raisers going on to provided treatment for people that just could not be treated in Australia.

Can you guess where the patient had to go to get treatment? Not Canada. Not Germany. No, not UK or Cuba. It was the US system. The system that has promoted the lions share of all health care advances in the last 50 years.

Please, please, please don't use Australia as a poster child for a successful health care system.

Lilly
You tried to draw an analogy between health insurance and car and homeowner insurance. In the case of homeowner and car insurance, you are required to purchase insurance to protect the intersts of OTHER PEOPLE. Mandatory car insurance only covers the damage you do to other people and property when you cause an accident. Homeowner's insurance covers you against the loss of the home due to disaster. In the case of this type of insurance, it is not the government mandating purchase of insurance; it is the mortgage company. They require it to protect THEIR money that they have loaned.

If you are going to try and make a point, you should really try to have some idea what you are talking about.

Health Care Insurance premians
I have no problem euthanizing 12 million illegal aliens. It will sure save money.
What do you get with cheap forced Medical Insurance? How little care can they give you to save costs? How little medication will you get to cut costs? What training have the doctors had that will work for less in that clinic/hospital? It's all about MONEY folks. NO Free lunch, no free medical care, wake up before you find that you will also risk, are you young enough for the insurance company to pay out for a procedure, if you are going to die in the next 10 years anyway. You do not want Free Medical Insurance that doesn't pay off. It's like buying a cheap piece of meat, tough to swallow. Do you want to wait 6 months for an appointment? Cheap is cheap, you know that old saying, you get what you pay for. Don Cordell uses common sense approach, Do you?

N/A
You ask how do they pay for it?

Simple. "They" don't. WE do-and I'm sick of being made to pay for everyone else's problems because some people feel badly for them.

The point is, there is no denial of "health care" to any who need it. IT IS THE LAW that any who walk into an ER MUST receive care, even though a transfer to a public facility may be part of whatever further treatment is deemed necessary. Just spend a while in your local ER and tell us that most of those there couldn't just as well be at the county clinic.

RCB
"Health insurance is available to those without jobs, so it is not true that those without jobs can't get health insurance. Strike one.

Those without money can't get health insurance, but it is not true that those without health insurance can't get health care. Strike two."

Yes, but how do they pay for it?


Mary C.

We have the best health care....
in the world. Now government will screw it up real good. Someone asked about illegals. They work off the books so legally they have not jobs. They are poor and will need Uncle Sugar's help. They will continue to overwhelm ERs with hangnails and sprained ankles. Countries with government health plans end up rationing care. Also, regarding the free lunch aspect this is also a problem. If you recall from the Hillary Health of her husband's administration she made plans in secret. Also, when she did release details it was apparent that it was a government run program which required members of the plan to pay for care. There was also some talk of retired military paying back for any free care they had received. Nothing is free. Nothing. Someone gets paid to do the service and there is cost for the service.

Stoic Patriot
Once upon a time when you went to the doctor as you were going out you paid him or his receptionist or maybe the nurse. Payment is now handled by the insurance companies. Why the insurance companies are involved is another story for another day,

Anyway, the doctor has to pay several people to keep track of the billing. He has now become not just a doctor but a company. On top of that he has to pay outrageous amounts of money to insurance companies to protect himself from lawyers that would love to put him out of business.

All of this cost of doing business turns out to be an incredible amount for some doctors, OBGyns for instance. Just as in any business your profit margin is a percentage tacked on to the total that is flowing through the business. Normal profit margins for business are 10 to 20 percent depending on type of business you are in. Some are less, like grocery is a lot less, some are more.

If we were all paying cash for our healthcare (after killing all the lawyers) our costs for the doctors would be much lower. And the doctors would probably be a lot happier too.

Freedom
Liberals love freedom.......as long as its compulsory

The real question...
The real question is that with doctors' salaries as high as they are, why hasn't there been more of an influx into their field, thereby leading to a larger supply of doctors so that the cost of treatments declines and that people can pay for their medical expenses out-of-pocket?

There's no reason a basic physical using all the equipment of a stethoscope and tongue depressor, as well as 30 minutes of a physician's time should cost several hundred dollars.

Methinks the medical colleges are trying to wrongly exercise market power.

doctork-How is it that all practitioners
of alternative therapies have good bedside manners, in spite of the fact that they are paid far less than doctors?

I realize that the insurance companies are now expecting the doctors to spend less time with their patients, but why does that mean a doctor has to be rude during the short time he has? The more they specialize, the ruder they are.

I think it is up to the doctors to stand up to the insurance companies and explain what is needed in the doctor/patient relationship.

This sounds much better to me that completely restructuring the entire insurance system.

Silly Lilly
If you had read my post completely, you would have noticed that I got better.

Nothing a doctor ever did made me better, only alternative therapies.

It has been year since I have had any chronic pain, and when the pain threatens to come back, I have simple, painless exercises and techniques that make it go away,

All with no meds, no surgery.

patient buys the insurance
Like I said before, like airplane flight insurance, the patient buys the insurance for malpractice suits. If the doctor makes a mistake, if the patient’s body acts or reacts in an unexpected manner, the insurance company would pay. Never the doctor.

If the doctor does something wrong, or stupid, that’s a crime and should be treated as such.

I suspect that this is pretty simple...

HELLary couldn't get her massive health care program passed several years ago when Slick Willie was pres., so she's going at it little by litte ...

"If you are satisfied with your health care, you keep it, no questions asked."

"... "no questions asked" should concern everyone... because sooner or later there will be questions...




jdw
You do not get it.

It is one thing for government to mandate that you buy insurance to take care of damages you cause for others; that is what compulsory auto insurance is about.

It is quite another to mandate that you must have insurance related to what happens to you, yourself.

If you have a mortgage, you have to have insurance on your house; if you own it outright, you don't. Same principle.

"Controlling legal authority?"
It would appear that we have become accustomed to the government both federal and local doing things they do not hate the Constitutional power (authority) to do that we will accept any intrusion in our lives.

I'm still trying to find where the State of NY has the power to ban trans fats, the federal government the power ban religion in schools etc. Now the Dem.'s want to make us pay for health care for someone else.

Where do they get the power to do this in the constitution and why don't we call them on it in court?

Re. statement about religion for you idiot flame
throwers.
The Constitution prohibits the establishment of a state run religion then goes on to say "No prohibit the free expression there of."

Analysis: Politicians and Health Care

Is Romney doing a flip flop on healthcare?

NPR-Question: If government and business leaders do their part to lower the cost of health insurance, should people be required to sign up?

Republican Mitt Romney used to answer yes.

Now he says no.

Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton says yes or no — or maybe. It depends on the definition of “require.”

The way these and other 2008 presidential candidates answer the “individual mandate” question says as much about their characters, their strategies and the tricky politics of health care reform as it does about the actual policies.

“Individual mandate” is the jargon politicians use to describe health care plans that assume every citizen will enroll in health insurance, often with subsidies and under threat of penalty.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/analysis-politicians-and-health-care

Since when
is liability insurance not insurance? Liability insurance.. for your automobile.. is insurance.

And I *have* to buy liability insurance.

By your analogy, I wouldn't have to buy insurance for any health problems I may develop, but I *would* have to buy "liability insurance" for any injury I might cause another...

So if I cough on you, I would have to be insured to pay for your Niquil. Silly is as Hillary does....


Mountain Rose
I am confused. Help me out here. In one post you told us that you cancelled your health insurance because your premiums kept going up even though "the company spent next to nothing on me". In another post you tell us that you despair of getting relief for your chronic pain from traditional medicine and so have turned to alternative medicine. Which is it: you are so healthy you don't need the insurance for which you were paying, or you are so sick the doctors couldn't help you? Can't be both.

Health Care not Like auto Insurance
You do not have to buy auto insurance on your olwn car or your own body. You just have to buy liability insurance.

Requiring health care is like having you have to buy insurance on your own car.

Deskjockey, You are Nuts
1) Social cooperation is not enslavement. It is simply the price of living in civlization rather than a jungle wilderness. By your defintion, I am enslaved because I pay school tax although I have no children in the school system. I think you are pretty quick on the draw to feel persecuted.
2) Our Founding Fathers did not enumerate health care because they wrote the Founding Documents in the 18th Century when nothing like modern medicine was even dreamed of. They also didn't mention cell phones, the use of which is now legislated in many jurisdictions.
3) You are 'way behind the times. You are back in the day when Ronald Reagan was cheered for talking about Welfare Queens. Your allusions to most of the American poor being homeowners with air-conditioning, Internet, and gold chains comes, I believe, from a recent Heritage Foundation production that has already been blasted to pieces by people who actually know what they are talking about. One block from my apartment building is a park in which a dozen homeless men sleep every night. They are poor. Downtown the sidewalk heating grates are occupied on every cold night. There are children attending school without proper clothing or food. Before I retired I made, in my professional capacity, home visits in a neighborhood of Washington DC where people lived 10-15 in two rooms, in squalor. They were poor.
4) All of the uninsured are not poor. Please see my earlier post on the middle-class uninsured.

The Rich...
Good puiece but could be wrong about what the "Rich" can laways do. Even today, of you are over 65 just being rich does not always gurantee anything. Doctors who serve medicare partients can't just take cash from rich people. They can get into trouble.

If we have to have socialized medicine, which would be terrible, let's hope we go UK not Canada. In the UK you can bypass the NHS by having your own insurance or by paying cash. Not true in parts of Canada. It is the public system or leaving the country.

If we go Canada you will see the development of some of the best hospitals in the world across the border in mexico. Doctors, nurses and patients will live in the US but go back and forth daily to deal with each other for cash.

Resignation
Yes, the Hillary said something about how, we're required to have car insurance, why shouldn't we be required to have health insurance?

Am I the only one who remembers the Powers that Be stating the driving is a PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT? That is the (false) excuse the gov't uses for its excesses from the 55 mph speed limit to the requirement to have insurance to (worst of all) seat belts. My life belongs to me, given to me by God, not the government, and I have the right to screw it up however I want. Yes, I should be responsible for the consequences, but that doesn't mean mommy government can come in and force me to avoid the actions that lead to the consequences! Always the morality given for the endless encroachments upon my liberty is money money money.

If we did away with health insurance altogether, guess what would happen? A lot of frivolous medical care would stop happening. Prices on the rest of medical care would plummet, with a higher percentage of those costs going into the pockets of the health care providers. Charities would become more important. Hospitals and other health care systems would have incentive to become more efficient (that's for the money wh0res out there.)

So instead of always talking about forcing "lifestyle" choices on people, instead of talking about making the insurance companies richer, why not examine the root causes of the ridiculous cost of health care today? (and it ain't just obesity.)

JDW
I've been saying the same thing since he started campaining as I knew that none of the older Kennedys would let any of their females marry a true republican. When he started to run on the Republican ticket, I'll bet old man Kennedy was rolling over in his grave even when they knew he wasn't a true repub.

SteveL
The main thing that raises your auto premium is the area you live in. I live about 20 miles from Cleveland and my rates are based on the rates of theft and accidents and claims in the Cleveland area. I have not had a single accident, ticket or any moving violation in 30 years and I pay the same as my cousin who lives about30 miles farther east who has had one accident in the last year and a half. Now figure that out.

Pastore: Wrong About One Thing
Pastore makes a good argument for preventive health care (wise diet, exercise, not smoking). And I agree with him, from what I observe out in public, that many folks who appear at first glance to be "known to social services" are not observing any of those suggestions, and we all cringe at the thought that we are paying their medical bills (as when unwise lifestyle leads to Diabetes 2 which leads to ten years of thrice-weekly kidney dialysis and double amputations). But there are still some big holes in Pastore's argument, and here is the biggest: all of the uninsured are not poor or lower-class.

I know from my own professional experience that many are strong members of the middle class. Some have been overwhelmed by overwhelming medical bills they could not pay, and eventually bankruptcy has resulted. Others are irresponsible people who gleefully spend their money for luxuries while insisting they cannot afford health insurance for their children (the popular culture teaches that life is supposed to be fun). Others have been laid off from jobs with insurance but then when they found another job discovered that a chronically ill family member (eg child with cystic fibrosis, wife with lupus) would not be covered because of the "pre-existing conditon" clause.

Conservatives have a tendency to lump Socialism and Communism with all social cooperation. All insurance is based on the concept of shared risk. We are resigned to paying automobile and homeowners' insurance. Why should health insurance be different?

Vindication
Mountain Rose, I am SO smug about Swartzenegger these days. When he stuck his nose in the governor's race, and everyone ran to support him because he was a celebrity, I was furious. Because his entry blocked the first, and perhaps only, chance California ever had of getting a TRUE conservative governor. I tried to warn everyone that he was a CINO. But, where I argued, I was ignored and/or insulted.

I've been vindicated. Next time... listen to me!

8c)

Response to Mountain Rose
Thank you for your question.
I do not believe that socialized medicine can create a good doctor---patient relationship. This relationship, which is the essence of medicine, is a joining of mutual trust developed by two individual human beings over time. The quality of that relationship is dependent on those two individuals. Socialized insurance, a single-payer sytem, can make it financially possible for everyone in America to have clear and equal access to those relationships, whereas our current multi-payer system, which is based on the dollar bill, tries and succeeds to exclude so many from having that access.
Your comments about bedside manner and modern doctors, I believe, are true; not for all doctors but certainly many. This however is not dependent on which administrative system pays the bill. Our health care system should be structured in a way that can ascertain which doctors are grossly negligent/incompetent and then remove them from practice, again regardless of which administrative system pays the bill.
Your question and comments highlight the two major fundamental issues with health care in our country: 1) the disintegration of the doctor---patient relationship and 2)the multi-payer system that contributes to that disintegration by excluding individual access to the relationship because of financial reality.
I develop these concepts including different funding mechanisms for my single payer system in EQUAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL, (ISBN: 978-0-9796994-0-5). Please visit my web site, http://www.equalhealthcareforall.com,
and feel free to contact me at doctork@equalhealthcareforall.com.
R. Garth Kirkwood M.D.

socialist crock of pooh
"Put simply, if we want people to lead healthier lives, we need to give them the incentive to do so. The message has got to be, “An unhealthy life costs you money, a healthy life saves you money.” If you lead a “high risk” lifestyle, you should expect to pay a higher premium on your health insurance than someone who is more health conscious."

Your basic premise is flawed; it is none of our business whether or not people lead healthier lives.
Who the heck are you, or the federal gov't to pass messages to the citizens of the U.S. as if you're our parent??

Leading a high-risk lifestyle might lead to higher premiums.. if I give health insurance companies (or the gov't) information that is NONE OF THEIR DARN BUSINESS!! Am I a smoker? None of your business! Do I wear a seatbelt? NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! Do I vote Republican? NONE OF YOUR DARN BUSINESS! Am I healthy at the time the policy is offered? A legitimate and fair question.
Insurance companies are also allowed to discriminate, with the morality of it being money, in a way no one else is allowed. They can pigeonhole me into a a group; middle-aged white male, teenage black female, and judge me based on a group profile in ways liberals scream in any other, more worthwhile context.

This country panders FAR TOO MUCH to insurance interests already. They need to be shown the door right after the lawyers.


Problems . . .
The author writes:
"If we don’t do this, I’m afraid liberals will convince a majority of voters that HillaryCare is our only option “for the poor,” and we’re going to lose the best health care system in the world."

I agree wholeheartedly. But people, as somebody who has worked in a PR type of field, we are NOT getting the message out. It is not resonating. Today's undereducated generation will not relate to the idea of "markets" b/c they think with their emotions. And so long as we have this patchwork quilt of absurd insurance regulation and govt. subsidy, the problem will get worse, feeding into Hillary's hands. By the way, let's admit the Republicans have been at fault in compromising with every new program put forth to "aid" the "uninsured," and that Bush's drug prescription plan causes us to lose moral high ground.

That said, consider basic arguments such as "food is more fundamental even than health care, but that isn't free" (of course, it is if you are on the food stamp program), but the general idea is to reduce the argument to the absurd. I still predict nationalized health care soon, but it may be less likely if we can regain the rhetorical advantage here.

BTW
Alternative therapies are cheaper and more effective than seeing a doctor, and THEY ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING, other than give you a pill or cut you.

for Deskjockey
Deskjockey writes: "However, if the poor wanted health care they’d give up one car, Nike shoes, vacation, gambling, drugs, gold teeth and gold chains, entertainment centers, etc and buy it."

WRONG.

The poor KNOW they can get health care at any Emergency Room whether they have health insurance or not. The courts have ruled that the uninsured, even illegal aliens, cannot be turned away from hospital care.

All that Emergency Room care doesn't grow on trees. Who is paying the hospital, the doctors, the lab tests for these poor uninsured folks?

ANSWER: You and I are already paying for them. The hospital's operating costs are higher, so our health insurance premiums go up to cover the hospital's costs.

Just like your auto insurance premium is made higher in order to cover possible claims involving accidents involving uninsured motorists.

In both auto insurance and health insurance, the costs of handling the uninsured are carried back indirectly to everyone who does have a policy, including you and me.

The only question is whether we're going to care for these poor folks efficiently (by bringing them into the insurance system), or inefficiently and expensively (by allowing them to remain at the margins).

But the idea that somehow you can wall yourself off from the costs incurred by the uninsured poor is just ludicrous. Unless you want to deport them all or euthanize them all.

Believe me, health care for 12 million uninsured illegal aliens is expensive. And yet we must pay for it right now whether we like it or not--that's the law.

doctork- how can you hope that
Socialized Medicine can possibly create a good Doctor/Patient relationship? The government only succeeds in making everything more impersonal, and lowers the quality of service.

I have found that most doctors have terrible bedside manners, and know nothing about how to have a healing personality.

This is the very reason why, when I had chronic pain from overwork, I turned to alternative therapies for help: Accupuncture, Chiropractic, Applied Kinesiology, and Therapeutic Massage all produced results, while visits to doctors were frustrating and unproductive.

Half of healing, especially for those who are experiencing chronic pain, is encouraging the body to heal itself.

Old fashioned country doctors used to know this, but modern doctors seem to think that their job is to be distant, arrogant and rude.

I do not include those things in my definition of a therapeutic bedside manner.

eastlake joe: absolutely!
I am convinced that Arnold SchwartzenTraitor is a Trojan Horse candidate: running as one thing and then proving to be something else.

Perhaps Pete Wilson, the unpopular Governor who was recalled and replaced by the TraitorNator refused to play footsie with Move On, so they replaced him with a stealth candidate.

Whatever it was, a person doesn't go from the social conservative that Arnold pretended to be during the election, to the full blown Socialist that Schwartzenegger has turne out to be overnight.

I think this was the plan all along, to start pushing healthcare at exactly the moment that the Shrillster is introducing Shrillary Snare.

EQUAL HEALTH CARE FOR ALL
Health care talk becomes confusing because very few people engaged in the conversation are talking about health care. The dollar bill, cost, rationing, economic status, political agendas, and other rhetoric are most often the main topic. Mr. Pastore's article is an example.
If politicians, pundits, and providers keep as their primary goal clear and equal access to vital, comprehensive health care for everyone living in America, and if they make the dollar bill and political agendas lesser goals, then effective solutions will evolve.
But, in order to do this, an exact definition of what health care really is must be brought forward. Health care is the doctor---patient relationship. On an individual basis, health care is the individual doctor---patient relationship, which the patient has equal responsibility for developing and maintaining. On a nation-wide basis, health care is the sum of all these relationships, nothing more and nothing less. Efforts to design a health care system that supports this for every patient in America will lead to a wonderful health care system in which the dollar bill assumes secondary importance.
Senator Clinton's plans will never achieve this nor will the republican plans because they are all designed to maintain the status quo while trying to make us believe that they will accomplish beneficial change. Why do you think that is?
R. Garth Kirkwood M.D.
http://www.equalhealthcareforall.com
doctork@equalhealthcareforall.com

Mountain Rose
That's what i was trying to tell you the other day. The alien-nator may say he's a rep. but he's married to the largest dem. family in the WHOLE world.

sentido
Life expectancy has more factors than just what kind of healthcare you receive. What about lifestyle (smoking, eating too much, driving too fast, homicides). The reason other countries have longer life expectancies is NOT because the US offers poor healthcare.

Forcing healthy people to buy insurance
There is a move afoot to force everyone to buy health insurance.

Well, I just cancelled my policy, because I am sick and tired of my insurance premiums going up dramatically every year in spite of the fact I just have a yearly checkup and the company spends next to nothing for me. I would rather put that money in the bank and save for an emergancy.

If everyone did this, the cost of healthcare would automatically come down, because the hospitals couldn't get away with charging $5 for a bandaid.

I refuse to pay for all of those hypochondriacs who are always at the doctor's office and pop handfulls of meds every day.

If the insurance companies want my business, they should charge me according to how much I cost them and not on my birthday.

I don't want to pay for the health care
of everyone else.

The Governor State of California is trying to foist his own version of Shrillary Care on us.

Of course, the TraitorNator wants to cover all the illegal aliens as well.

I wonder what he plans to call it? Terminator Care?

All I think it will do is terminate the balance in my bank account.

Ann Coulter's
analysis of trial lawyers is worth mentioning. I don't know about Australia, Canada or other social medicine places, but I'm willing to bet they don't allow the rape of their systems by "pain and suffering" lawsuits. The Canucks who can afford it come to the U.S. for dire procedures prior to their assured deaths due to the waiting lines. Otherwise, "pain and suffering" is part of their plan.

Sentido
The Australian system is certainly not what is being pushed on us. They actually encourage private insurance and offer tax incentives for that purpose. A flexible system with many options and market forces involved is what they have created. In addition you are comparing a fairly homogenous population of 21 million with Americas 300 million.

jlohman
One of my kids has a Cushy Job at Starbucks where he gets health insurance for $30.00 per month. I would venture to guess that the majority of Starbucks customers p*iss away $30.00 per week buying Starbucks Grande Specialty Coffee.

The all you can eat buffet analogy is a good one. Back in the 1980s when our Insurance Company was only beginning to promote Girls to positions that provided access to expense accounts, a group of us employees were sent to the home office for three days of training. The men had expense accounts; each woman was given a cash stipend and told she could keep the change.

The five women in the group immediately banded together and booked a suite at Days Inn with a kitchen where all five of us could stay together. We went next door to the convenience store and got breakfast fixings and snacks, as we knew the firm would provide lunch at their cafeteria and we would be taken out to dinner at least one night of the three. Two of us took the bus instead of flying. At the end of the three days we had saved enough money for two days in Boston on the money we had left over, including the last performance of the D Oyly Carte to see Pinafore.

The men ramped up their expense accounts on posh hotels, expensive breakfasts and dinners and a golf outing. After the training session they went back to the office.

When we all met up and wrote our reports, there was both embarrassment and merriment among the troops. The next year evrybody got the stipend.

What's with "WE" owing something?
I agree with Mr. Pastore that a handout is not the same as a hand up, but either way, it should be the choice of the individual who is doing the giving. However, when someone, even Mr. Pastore, makes or suggests 'the poor' are the responsibility of others, it implies that the choice belongs to those in power -- not the individual who is to be forced to provide, meaning the taxpayer, usually.

Folks can offer all sorts of platitudes or specious justification to say that I owe a total stranger a lifetime of 'support' for 'something' while that stranger owes me nothing in return.

For starters, who is to define who is 'poor'? For instance, is 'government' among the 'poor'? Politicians act as if it is, simply because there is never 'enough' coming in to satisfy the wants of politicians who put 'the People' more deeply in debt year after year in order to maintain themselves. Ordinary people will do it as well if they feel they can get away with it. They find a lifestyle they like and want someone else to sustain or maintain them.

Offering a helping hand to save some one from drowning is one thing, but if the person jumps back in or refuses to get out unless the one offering help guarantees a lifetime of support, then who is responsible for the welfare of the individual in the water?

It Ain't About Healthcare
It is about creating a populace dependent on government for the basics in life. Slowly but surely food production, housing ,education and healthcare are being put under the control of the federal government. The sheep must be cared for and they are more than willing to let it happen.

False assumptions
Health insurance is available to those without jobs, so it is not true that those without jobs can't get health insurance. Strike one.

Those without money can't get health insurance, but it is not true that those without health insurance can't get health care. Strike two.

Those who are healthy worry the least about health care or health insurance - a fact evidenced by around 20 to 30 million healthy Americans without health insurance but who can afford it. Therefore, it must also be true that those who are not healthy worry the most about health care and health insurance. Strike three.

Given the above, today's health care/health insurance crisis must be fictitious and thus politically manufactured for some political end having nothing to do with the common good.

No More Free Lunch?
Spoken by somebody that doesn't have to worry about health care! I always like those with cushy jobs.

That's the problem, people! Get out there and get yourself a cushy job!!! Quit your bellyaching! And don't let the fact that all of the cushy jobs are or will be outsourced to other countries. (Except the authors, of course.)

No More Free Lunch
Good analogy. Like deskjockey, I also know people who could easily afford health insurance, but choose not to buy it. I also know some whose primary vocation is being drunk (or drugged) and take paid employment only to the extent of supporting their primary vocation. They don't have health insurance either. How is Hillary going to MAKE those people have health insurance - the state can't even make them have auto licenses or insurance. Bill D.

Would what the founders do?
The founding fathers did not enumerate health care for a reason.

Any plan is the camels head in the tent.

Any plan enslaves one man to the other.

About 2.5M people who want to enslave others for health and are legal don’t have it. Enslave 300M people for the demands of 2.5M?

Of course there is no such thing as federal health care. The more accurate description is the Federal New Car Program. Our poor are among the richer people of the world. Most have homes, cable, air conditioners 2 cars, entertainment centers etc. None lack health care, they merely walk into the hospital and get it free. That needs to be stopped immediately, which will stop anchor babies.

However, if the poor wanted health care they’d give up one car, Nike shoes, vacation, gambling, drugs, gold teeth and gold chains, entertainment centers, etc and buy it. So what the Federal giver-ment is really saying is we are paying for their gambling, second car and illegal drugs, by not forcing them to buy their own insurance if they really want it.

An elderly friend of mine confided that she has never had health insurance. She has a $400K house, drives a nice car. She loves her ski trips and vacations around the world. She said, I love my life style and I'd rather take the risk than spend the money.

It is all about values and choices. The poorest man in AmeriKa can have a first class plan if he is willing to give up a car, move to a small apartment, stop the drugs and gambling, don't buy the entertainment center, etc.

All others can either walk into a hospital or be taken care of by the local town giver-ment or church, should either be so inclined and where they have more accurate knowledge of the person’s real need. Even that should be most rare as it creates a moral hazard that begs others to not provide for their own needs.

It is not the function a man (or giver-ment) to protect another man from life. Health is part of life.

Life is its own reward
If death, poverty, illness and misery don't provide enough incentives to live well and make the most out of one's one-and-only life, then I don't see how government can provide incentives to avoid or postpone these things.

Insurers cut premiums for quitting smoking or not smoking, loosing weight and staying fit and healthy, but pundits find this approach "exclusive" of diverse lifestyles, none of which may officially be said to be any better than any other. One can only imagine the chattering class's outcry over the unacceptable inequality of offering tax breaks to healthy, fit non-smokers, who, by the way, will be tough to find among the poor. A coincidence?

To head this problem off, government will simply ban smoking and drinking, tax or ban dietary fats, impose exercise regimes on students and employees, and generally make its citizens' lifestyle choices for them - all in the name of the common good.

Follow any statement offered by "progressive" politicians and pundits to its logical conclusion, and you'll end up in George Orwell's 1984.

Health Care
Hillary says if elected the government will require that all Americans buy health insurance. What about the 20 million ILLEGAL Immigrants living in our country, will they have to buy insurance or will they still get the same free care they receive now. Chances are the only people who would have to buy insurance would be those who could afford it and the others would get it for free including all of the illegal aliens. There is no way the bleeding heart liberals would make it impossible for the illegals to get health care. We must no allow Hillary to win or we will all regret it.
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