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Monday, May 04, 2009
Frank Gaffney :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Denuclearizers' Bridge-Jump
by Frank Gaffney
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At one point or another, everybody tries to justify their participation in behavior that defies common sense and good judgment by claiming that someone else, usually older and putatively smarter, told them to do it. Often someone genuinely smarter and typically older – a teacher, a parent, a coach – responds with something to the effect that, “If Johnny told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it?”

Generally, the answer is the commonsensical “No.” Yet now, a gaggle of Johnnys – notably former Clinton Defense Secretary William Perry and other worthies who should know better – are telling the American people that it is safe and responsible to do the national equivalent of jumping off a bridge. They contend that the United States can prudently get rid of most of our nuclear arsenal, enroute to what they say is a desirable end-state: a “nuclear-free” world.

For a sense of how surreal this recommendation is, consider the prospect that Pakistan’s virulent Taliban may be within weeks of joining the nuclear “club” by taking over the country and its arsenal. Does anyone really think that these Shariah-espousing Islamists, to say nothing of the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, Iranians, will actually go “nuclear free”?

Worse yet, the “smart people” who espouse denuclearization either explicitly embrace another radical idea – or implicitly give political cover to those who do: the notion that we can allow the continuing, and inexorable, deterioration of what is left of our nuclear stockpile and the human and physical infrastructure required to maintain it.

To be sure, many of those, including President Obama, who favor “Global Zero” assure us that it will take many years to achieve. Until then, Dr. Perry and others blithely aver that our nuclear arsenal must be kept safe and reliable. The logic of the denuclearizers’ bridge-jump proposal, and certainly its practical effect, however, is the opposite: to discourage the investment needed to maintain the U.S. arsenal, to say nothing of any development, testing or deployment of new weapons.

In fairness to Bill Perry and his chief collaborators – former Secretaries of State Henry Kissinger and George Shultz, former Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Sam Nunn and, most recently, former National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft – their defiance of common sense is more the norm among the high priesthood of nuclear disarmers. This is an elite that has, since the dawn of the nuclear age, been populated by by some of the highest IQs in America. Yet, that community has consistently generated some of the most hare-brained, common sense-defying theories and policy initiatives known to man.

Take for example, one of this priesthood’s holiest of holies – the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty. This accord, rooted in the preposterous proposition that America would be most safe when it had no effective defense against Soviet ballistic missiles, was one of Henry Kissinger’s most prized achievements. Until, that is, even he and the man who signed the treaty for the United States, Richard Nixon, publicly acknowledged in the 1990s that such deliberate vulnerability made no sense in the post-Cold War world with its proliferating missiles and nuclear programs.

Today, the octogenarian Johnny Kissinger is evidently not content with his reckless legitimation of the denuclearization of the United States. He is busily negotiating with the Russians a new arms control that reflects the mutual desire of the Kremlin and the Obama administration to reestablish restrictions on U.S. missile defenses.

Another bit of lunacy favored by the denuclearizers of the 1980s was the “nuclear freeze.” Their idea was to stop all modernization of nuclear forces, underground testing and upgrades to the weapons “complex” that supports both. President Reagan rightly rejected this proposal, knowing full well that it would, as a practical matter, wind up applying to this country alone.

Unfortunately, since 1992, that is pretty much what has happened here. Today, in the words of Obama Defense Secretary Robert Gates, the United States is “the only declared nuclear power that is neither modernizing its nuclear arsenal nor has the capability to produce a new nuclear warhead.”

Not content with the slow demise of America’s deterrent, the denuclearizing Johnnys are making a new push for another arms control initiative – one wisely rejected by a majority of the U.S. Senate a decade ago: the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT). Ratification would effectively preclude the United States from ever validating its nuclear arsenal via the only tried-and-true means: actual explosive detonations. Even now, thanks to the unilateral U.S. moratorium on such testing adopted in 1992, there are grave and growing uncertainties about the reliability of our obsolescing weaponry.

Brent Scowcroft recently co-chaired with the ubiquitous Dr. Perry a Council on Foreign Relations panel promoting the nuclear bridge-jump. Published reports indicate that at least some of the members of yet another group which Secretary Perry also chaired – an official commission charged with reviewing the U.S. Strategic Forces Posture – will this week join the Council in endorsing CTBT’s ratification. Gen. Scowcroft has told the press he is “cautiously optimistic” 67 votes can be found in the Senate for the Treaty.

Will America jump off a bridge because these “smart people” say to? Or will we recognize that a world in which, among a growing number of others, the marauding Taliban in Pakistan might soon have nuclear weapons is not one in which the United States can safely heed such advice by continuing its denuclearization?

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I Am Not A Pacifist
I am not a pacifist. I believe in a strong military and an aggressive premptive posture. I, however, think that our nuclear arsenal is a more of a hinderance to our national defense than a benefit. We have the capability of delivering the same explosive force that we dealt to Nagasaki and Hiroshima with conventional weapons...we do not need nukes. We have the technology to knock balistic missles out of the sky, we do not need MAD (mutually assured destruction). The only thing our nukes do is legitamize every third world power hungry country that wants one and makes us unable, ethically, to deny them with the full weight of our military force. If we had no nukes we could legitamitely say they posed a imminent threat and warranted a military strike to remove them (since we would have no nuclear retaliation capability). We could also morally justify imposing trade sanctions on any country that maintained nuclear weapons and any country that traded in technologies that enabled those weapons where we did not want to use the military option. We would have to be a staunch proponent of denuclearization and back it with hard action but the alternative is a slow ride to oblivion where every two bit dictator and terrorist organization has a nuke.

Bullies
I learned the limitations of pacifism by the 2nd grade. By the 8th i learned that when a bully wants to pick a fight, best land the first punch. More often than not, it wins the fight. More important, it ends future bullying.

Sometimes when i run out of patience with these starry-eyed nit wits, i am tempted to just haul off and punch them in the nose. And the nexct time i see them, do it again, just out of the obligation to contribute to their education. Clueing in fool a tough job, but we'd all be better off if someone did it.

When the Taliban takes over...
at least then, we'll soon be rid of the liberals -- they'll be rounded up and beheaded.

I simply can't understand the fuzzy brained non-thinking, intellectually dishonest left. Can they truly be so naive to think that we don't need the means to defend ourselves? Do they truly have a death wish?

Something worth reading.
I would strongly suggest people go to the dusty archives of their library and take out a copy of 'On Thermonuclear War' (1961) by Herman Khan. 'This book examines the military side of what may be the major problem that faces civilization, comparing some of the alternatives that seem available and some of the implications of these choices.' I'd read it with two goals in mind. First to understand some of the critical thinking that went on at the height of the cold war and second to learn an approach to analyzing a problem like this for yourself in today's world.

We Can Win Without Nukes
The American military has fought and won numerous conflicts without nuclear weapons. Having nuclear weapons in no way deters a nuclear Iran...they want the world to end. If we were nuclear weapon free we would have the moral justification to militarily destroy the budding nuclear aspirations of N. Korea and Iran and have the clout to force states like India and Pakistan to give up their programs. The use of nuclear weapons is absolutely insane and their presence is not a deterent to the crazy islamic fundamentalists who would like nothing more than have everyone meet allah. I am not saying we should weaken our military...in fact I would argue we would need to bolster its capabilities...but nukes do not make us safer.

Liberals' Message: We Surrender, Dear
Paranoidmystic really is exactly as his handle indicates: paranoid, who belongs in an asylum. All human history illustrates that if states don't maintain a strong defense and a potential strong offense they are prey.

There's no question in my mind that Islamic terrorists wouldn't mind killing millions if it meant they could install a caliphate over the entire world. As for China it has more than a billion people, many of the men without potential wives, because of their government's idiotic one-child family policy. China must expand to survive.

And this fruitcake, who typefies many liberals in this country, wants us to unilateraly disarm!

He really does belong in an asylum and perhaps knows this because of the handle he chose!

Sigh.
At the end of World War II, we actually went and calculated how many nukes it would take to destroy the US. We came up with 10 megatons, which is roughly 400 bombs of the size dropped on Hiroshima.

Our current nuclear arsenal stands somewhere around 9000, including reserves.

Yeah, we can afford to scale it down a bit. The threat isn't a missile war, 'cause no one's ever going to try it. The threat's the single lone "briefcase" bomb. If that happens, missiles aren't going to help. I mean, we already invaded Iraq once, we can't very well do it again, and since that seems to be our default response to terrorist attacks in our cities these days, we'd be SOL.

You can't unring the bell
Let us suppose that atomic weapons had never been created.

Would there be a clamor to get rid of aerial bombs? Would there be a clamor to get rid of cannons?

Probably not, at least not as many voices nor as loud.

Now consider that more damage to property and people was done in WWII by these conventional weapons than was done by the two atomic weapons. Those two weapons ended a war with Japan and so reduced damage to both sides. War is fought to win not eliminate the enemy. (This is why the war with the radical Islamists is so difficult. They wish to eliminate all who are not like them. They also do not care about their own lives as well, so deterrent is not a factor.)

Only some one crazy would bring a knife to a gun fight. One other "old saw", it is better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

J-10 paranoidmystic

Exactly right, J-10,

paranoid can keep his butterflies

but,

we'll keep the nukes and our guns

Thanks.
Mr. Gaffney, it must at times be demoralizing to try to converse rationally and logically with what seems a sea of lemmings intent on going headlong over the edge, but thank you for trying. Keep up the excellent work.

paranoid mystic
That all sounds pretty, but I think we need to keep our weapons close, just in case.

Sounds like you've lived a pretty sheltered life.

America is exceptional
And therefore "American exceptionalism" is a valid label with a valid historical reference. What is that reference? Why to the fact that America has continually refused to occupy countries with the purpose of seizing them politically and remaining permanently. E. g., we still have military bases in Germany, but this is because the Germans don't want us to leave; ditto South Korea.

I cite this fundamental face because a fundamental assumption behind the proposal that Gaffney rightfully hammers is that America is just like everybody else (Germany, Japan, Russia, Iran, China, all the other perps of the recent 100 years: we're all "equal" in being all aggressors, and therefore we have an ethical duty to throw in our towel and thereby inviting the rest of the aggressors to throw in theirs.

News for a lot of people: we don't have a towel to throw in. We left Japan, we're in the process of leaving Iraq. What the hell do we have to be ashamed of?

ooops
personal not personnel

The only long term solution is
Conversion targeting the individual. Educate the individual before you give them power to destroy the world.

Convert them the same way conservatism is going to take back the nation. Convince them that their is an option three. The conman would have the people believe that their are only two opinions. Big business or big government. Option three: True conservatism and true capitalism and not the hijacked versions that Washingtonians bandy about.

There is a widespread hatred towards central government. Simply give it a target and don't give them a target to demonize or corrupt. True conservatism shouldn't be able to be targeted because if you hate the politician or the philosophy then you would support the movement. The goal of real conservatism is to weakening itself.

Conservatism still hasn't figured out how to find its voice because philosophically national party politics and conservatism are enemies. Occasionally you get one politician that is actually conservative, but for the most part a party's sole desire is power accumulation which is antithetical to conservatism.

International:
Why was the world upset with America for the invasion of Iraq? Was is because the Saudi King cared about the Iraqi people? Was it because the French cared? Most of these international leaders are thugs. Al Capones without the charm. Human life isn't high on their priority list. They are terrified of the ideal of America and they should be. They must recognize and be terrified that not only are they unimportant and without any real power, but they could be easily replaced.

Paranoidmystic
Humans, like all species i know of, breed up to the food supply. Competition is unavoidable. It is not enough to want to appear non-threatening. Just by being alive and eating, you are a threat to a man who is not getting enough to eat. He will take your possessions if he can. Nothing personnel, he just wants to survive. And this mindset extends to countries, especially countries under the control of mentally twisted people who are trying to "get even". Twice i have had to avert a robbery by being armed. I was not threatening those goblins by anything except by being alive with possesions they wanted. I would have lost my car in one case, and a tire in another. Whole countries can lose much more.

What really scares me
is that those posting on this thread that believe in and advocate our unilateral dissarmament, have identical views to those who now occupy the White House.

Can we identify these "Chicken Hearts" and offer them as the first wave of defense when our enemies seize the opportunity of our vulnerability?

paranoidmystic
Easy? Impossible.

Apart from sneak attacks of (12.07.41 & 09.11.01), there is a reason that unilateral disarmament does not work.

Try to use a RAND approach to figure out this riddle because you have to look at all of the pieces on the global chessboard.

(and, this is actually abbreviated and only takes into account 3-4 countries and 1 terrorist group)

100,000 Am. troops

40-50,000 Am. troops

13th Floor of the Middle East

12th Imam

1100 yrs ago.

6 yrs old

60 miles and less

08.22.09

60 days

60 miles and less

Samson Option

+2 weeks in DC

0 inspectors

-1 day


There really is an answer.

If you can't get it, let me know and I'll you what they mean and why:

#1) What we do is irrelevant.

#2) The world has different religious and cultural norms that will not consider American moves.

#3) Motivations involving insanity

#4) And, troops in harm's way all around.


Mahmoud And The Centrifuges.
This is a great name for a Muslim Rock Band, but we all know Muslim's don't do rock-n-roll or anything western. But the Mahmoud (Ahamadinejad) I'm refering to, the President of Iran bought some 80 brand spanking new, uranium felafel heating machines or centrifuges about a year and a half ago, what does he need them for? If you say felafal heating, okay, I'll give you that, it does give the felafal a deep orangey, kinda yellowish glow in the dark feel to it. If you say Uranium, then understand why we here in the west would be concerned, considering all the financing and re-arming of both hezbollah and Hamas in Gaza by the Iranians.
For the life of me doesn't AL Lah tell them to just hug your neighbor, for some reason it's always suicide bombers obsessing over virgins, blowing themselves up in his name.
Anyway, the thought of denuclearizaton is scary considering all the brohaha with the imminent demise of the Pakistani Government to the Taliban.
These radicals having access to nuclear materials should warrant some sleepless nights indeed. Denuclearization at this point is moot.

Paranoidmystic
That golden rule of yours would mean we should all leave our doors unlocked at night and our keys in the car and no need for banks anymore just leave your money on the seat of the car.

You are an old hippie aren't you?

Paranoidmystic
"Again, there is only one rule in this world: treat others as you want to be treated."

Pray tell me how well that worked out say on Dec 7,1941 you remember the sneak attack from Japan. Just curious cause if your little golden rule there doesn't work everytime then in the nuclear age your home town could glow in the dark, guess that would save on street lights though.

Denise - easy answer
The way to disarm another country is to commit to a process of disarmament.

If we display peace to the world, the world will respond with peace.

If we display war, the world will respond with war.

It's just such an old rule I really can't believe you haven't heard of it before. In fact, I suspect you have and you use it in your daily life, but you refuse to believe it will work on the larger scale.

IMHO, that refusal stems from the deep-seated (probably unconscious) belief that the nations you just listed are made of people less-than-human.

It's not the case. Obviously there are flaws and problems and issues to overcome. But the way to overcome those issues is not with a massive stockpile of nuclear weapons and a blanket threat to end the world if we don't get our way.

paranoidmystic: WWPMD?

"If we keep the weapons, we ensure that we will die by the weapons. Simple and plain."

OK, why don't you tell us how you propose to get the following to disarm:

North Korea

China

Russia

Pakistan (present gov., the military or the Taliban)

Indian

Israel

And, very soon

Iran

And, coming down the pike,

Syria

Venezuela


Genies, wishes
Jason makes the interesting point about weapons technology:
"So there really is only one solution."

But then he doesn't tell us what it is! He assures us it isn't destroying or condemning or outlawing the technology, but IMHO that's the only way to go.

Dash, when I said "people like you" I mean people who believe violence serves a purpose because of the underlying, often unexplored, belief that justice and revenge are the same thing.

They are not. Discovering this truth requires deep self-searching, and unfortunately that's a luxury many do not have.

Dash mentions, regarding evidence of evil intentions with nuclear weaponry:
"Abstract planning is one thing; preparations and demonstrated willingness are something else. "

And yet, who is the most prepared and the most willing in this regard?

If you could, even for a moment, step outside yourself and consider the consequences of your actions from another perspective?

How could the road we have paved lead to any other but destruction?

Again, there is only one rule in this world: treat others as you want to be treated.

We break that rule at our peril.

Dash, He Was A Progressive
Wilson was a Progressive

I would have been placed in one of Wilson's indoctrination camps. Why?

a) The Federal Reserve.

b) His support of segregation and eugenics.

c) The committal of suffragettes to mental institutions.

d) The "Wilsonian" Dime, which incorporated Roman fascist symbols.

e) The imprisonment of ~150,000 Americans, who had the audacity to use their 1st Amendment rights to speak out against his "fascist" policies.

f) His suppression of the Antiwar movements.

g) His taking control of private businesses, i.e., the railroads, etc.

h) His Fourteen Points, which led to the League of Nations, that we didn't even join. Of course, it did lead to the disastrous United Nations.

i) His participation in the Treaty of Versailles that imposed impracticable war reparations on Germany, which led to the failure of the Weimar Government and the rise of Adolph Hitler and WWII.

j) That his stroke was fatal or that he wasn't shot as a traitor.


Granted I offer only my 10 Points (I know that he had 14 and I can come up with a LOT more), but they were at least they are no unconstitutional. Unfortunately, Progressives adore Wilson (remember that during the Dem Primary HRC described herself as a Progressive very much in the spirit of those of the early 20th century)

Some things never die! The may fail miserably, but onward forever.

But the true balance...
Gestell mentions the "'balance of terror,'" as the saviors of peace, and I believe he is correct.

However, this balance is not between nations, but between voices within the nation.

Have you seen the film "The Fog of War" featuring Robert McNamara? It discloses the ultimate secret: we do not know what the enemy is thinking whatsoever.

It's similar to the moral dilemma in last year's Dark Knight when the Joker put the bombs in the two boats and neither would know what the other did until it was too late.

In that, and every, case the wise move is not to employ the violence. Only if every individual nation acts wisely will we survive.

And the only nation we control is our own.

Therefore, I vote that we act wisely and get rid of our infernal nuclear weapons.

France and England disarmed in the
1930s and that worked so well for World War II.

paranoidmystic
No, I meant to say 'our'.

My concern with Pakistan's arsenal is that they may fall into the hands of individuals who have an avowed desire to see the US off the map (Death to America, anyone?).

As to your statement:
'What the warlike guy is not realizing is that by planning to kill Americans, even if only in the abstract, he's assuring that people like you will come and kill him first.'

Abstract planning is one thing; preparations and demonstrated willingness are something else.

People like me? Veterans and contractors who've been in Afghanistan? Who will be returning as that is what our duty requires? Patriots who love our Constitution, or Nation, our Countrymen and would rather fight them there, rather than in our own neighborhoods? Especially since the specific enemy (Islamic terrorists) have demonstrated both their willingness and ability to bring their war (they (AQ in particular, but the others (NGOs and Nation-States (Iran) who support them are just as willing and guilty - IMO) declared war on US remember?) here?

Pray be more precise in your use of language.

paranoidmystic
Once the genie is out of the bottle you can shove him back in there? Unfortunately, we can't go back. Technology and morality have played this ugly game out since time began. Escalation is the only a temporary solution. Permanent suppression of technology? Historically impossible. International promises (treaties)? Only hurts the honest. So there really is only one solution. Unfortunately, symbolism, meaningless treaties, and high minded idealist don't get us there. Real morality isn't a paper document or meaningless platitudes. It's something deeper.

Gestell
A self described liberal with an appreciation of reality. I like it!

Nice to see not all are mushy-headed. But I already knew that...

Misunderstanding or typo?
Hey Dash you wrote:

"I don't point to our defensive weapons as evidence of our evil intentions;"

..and I'm assuming you mean to say "their" as in Pakistan's defensive nuclear weapons are not evidence of evil intention?

Otherwise, you misunderstand me.

The way human psychology works, at a certain level of development an individual can only think tribally. From this perspective, efforts of another tribe to defend themselves are seen as an assault and provide the basis for attack, even pre-emptive.

What I'm saying is that in Afghanistan right now this same conversation is happening. And the peaceful guy is saying we shouldn't kill Americans or they will come kill us. And the warlike guy is saying no, the Americans will kill us anyway, so let's prepare to kill them first. What the warlike guy is not realizing is that by planning to kill Americans, even if only in the abstract, he's assuring that people like you will come and kill him first.

It's doubtful that the whole human race will evolve to that higher level prior to us blowing ourselves to bits, so the wise thing to do is remove the fuel for the tribal behavior and entice the population into education and self-awareness.

Falling into the ages old trap... when will learn that there is only one rule in this world?

Denise
Nixon was admittedly in-cautious. Were he elected NOW, he would know better. See Obama and Clinton.

Yes, Reagan and Bush (both) made mistakes with the press as well; the others mentioned are fairly decent manipulators of their willing fellow travelers.

Wilson was an idealist who decided that tossing the Constitution under the Bus of Disarmament was a 'Good Idea'. Thank God the Senate told him to pound sand.

What kept the peace?
What kept the peace during the Cold War? It was not the Un and it was not the disarmament movement that has, at various points, been so prominent. It was the 'balance of terror,' the fact that the Soviet Union and the US could exterminate each other. Unfortunately, many of my fellow liberals cannot see this, and neither can the 'denuclearizers' criticized in this column.

If a radical Islamic regime knows that its use of nuclear weapons will result in its own destruction, the logic of deterrence will operate, and that launch will never occur. The US cannot allow its nuclear weapons to degrade; it must improve them and maintain them as useful deterrents.

The fear many have of nuclear weapons makes complete sense. However, the solution is not to work toward a fantasy 'nuclear-free' world. If the US becomes too weak, then the very event such people fear becomes more likely; someone will use of these dam* things.

You Had To Do It, Dash!

Yes, the conference was a nightmare, reparations were astronomically high, etc., but it was my most hated President ever who attended... that b@stard, Wilson, who should have been shot as a traitor.

Sheese. He made Nixon look like a cub scout.

paranoidmystic
you wrote:
'The fact is, on the other side of the fence there are people of lesser wisdom just like yourself. And they point to the massive weaponry we possess as evidence of our evil intentions, and they succeed in rallying others to their cause.'

I don't point to our defensive weapons as evidence of our evil intentions; I recognize that they exist, simple prudence dictates we maintain the best one's we can and pray they are never used again.

I also point out that the historical evidence seems to suggest rather strongly that Nation-States that disarm are quickly subsumed by those Nation-States that do not. Disarmament, while laudable, is neither practical nor has it ever worked.

As to your comment:
'Of course we should be smart and not stupid. Thankfully, we have deep pockets of information technology at our command now - we can know everything regarding these infernal machines at an instant's notice. Nothing need be destroyed before agreed-upon safeguards are in place, etc.'

The data in a computer is only as valid as the individual entering it: Garbage In-Garbage Out still applies.

Finally, if you're a satirist - well done - I've been got.

Denise
I was referring to the attempts to make Versailles and the League work, and the disarmament crowds arguments, not to mention the warnings of impending danger; not the Wiemar Republic's financial collapse. I agree the numbers are troubling (especially in light of comparative GDP between then and now), but I don't think were there QUITE yet. Headed that way in a great rush no doubt. Hopefully, others (in the Administration or Congress) will begin to see the light and put on the brakes.

I'm not holding my breath, anoxia is supposed to be a fairly miserable way to go.

Dash, it's just a matter of time
I figure you believe that revenge and justice are one and the same, and that misconception may take this or several lifetimes to clear up.

Depending on your spiritual tradition of choice there are many ways to approach this thorny issue. But in the end, the law of the manifest world is extremely simple: what you put out returns multiplied.

The fact is, on the other side of the fence there are people of lesser wisdom just like yourself. And they point to the massive weaponry we possess as evidence of our evil intentions, and they succeed in rallying others to their cause.

In the absence of these weapons, the world becomes a safer place.

Of course we should be smart and not stupid. Thankfully, we have deep pockets of information technology at our command now - we can know everything regarding these infernal machines at an instant's notice. Nothing need be destroyed before agreed-upon safeguards are in place, etc.

But we must maintain the basic goal of removing nuclear weaponry from earth. To do otherwise is to commit ourselves to disaster, depending on the whims of political change.

Dash
Dash
"At least some one knows :)

Yes, I call Armistice Day the beginning of a 20 year ceasefire with the Weimar Govt. and rise of Hitler in between."

I have to respectfully disagree with you on how close are the similarities. I have been writing about the Weiman Government for a long time. Take a look at these numbers from today and run it on out... Starting to look familar?


Unemployment nationwide going to 8.9%.

Double-Digits in 101 mid and large cities.

Double-Digits in the rural regions.

xDouble-Digits in the urban areas.

Budget deficit for first six months of this year will be $1tr.

National Debt will be $23.9tn in 2019.

In 2019, our debt service will be $1tr a year.

China is cutting up our credit cards because of the recklessness of this Administration.

We are borrowing $153bn per week.

Collapse.


Or, we can turn to sugar daddies in region #2, the Saudis, Dubai, UAE, etc.

I heard one Democratic Congressman interviewed this afternoon after he left the inner sanctum of the Fed Res. His face was white and he said, "WE MUST STOP SPENDING!"

paranoidmystic -
I assume you're of the historically false opinion that 'violence never settled anything?' Or of the opinion that a rape victim is somehow morally superior to an armed woman with a dead rapist at her feet?

You're certainly entitled to your (IMO flawed) opinions. I'm entitled to debate them and express my own.

Gun control: Two hands, clear sight picture, steel on target.

David's true ignorance
Wait, David, where did you "learn" about the success of peace through war?

When was that time you killed your neighbor, or threatened to kill him, and everyone walked away happy?

The fact is, all our spiritual teachers have taught one simple lesson: you give what you get.

If we keep the weapons, we ensure that we will die by the weapons. Simple and plain.

Which spiritual leader are you following, BTW?

ps I'm a him.

Follow up to PVZ
If you were speaking generally, and took my barb personally; my apologies. Re-reading your 1737 indicates that it may have been a general observation, not a pointed barb at Conservatives in general.

PVZ-IQ?
130's depending upon date and test administered. Yours? Means nothing other than I can test fairly well; says nothing of ability or sense.

Not that I really care. The more narrow one's specialty, the more likely one is to believe that expertise carries over to other endeavors. All to often, those who espouse such supposed expertise are often wrong. Often to the detriment of society. (A paraphrase of RAH)

High IQs?
I suspect these guys' IQs are not really that spectacular. They just all seem to be the type who like to say they are smarter than everybody else. I've met the kind; usually they mumble incoherently and walk away when I offer to compare my documented IQ with theirs.

Amazingly Ignorant
If history doesn't teach at least one valid point, it is that the only peace comes from strength.

I can't say as I'm surprised
by such idiocy as espoused by paranoidmystic and his/her ilk. Obviously someone who was never taught the lessons of Versailles. Other than the 'wrong' people tried. They did try, some of the best minds available, for nearly 20 years to make it work. See Churchill's 'The Gathering Storm' for an insider's view. Oh, never mind; he was only there, he didn't really know what he was talking about, and in any case its no longer 'relevant'.

Denise: I agree. I just finished re-reading Churchill's 'The Gathering Storm' as well as the biography my Dr. Gilbert and was astounded by the parallels that can be drawn between the interwar years and now. Stipulated, they are not always exact, but the mindset is eerily similar...

Stop by the blog if you feel the urge.

The long view
"Does anyone really think that these Shariah-espousing Islamists, to say nothing of the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, Iranians, will actually go “nuclear free”?"

Seems to me our long-term options are nuclear-free or dead.

I choose nuclear-free.

NO NUKES?
Any idea how many men China has under arms? How about how many the Indians could put under arms? Basket case Africa won't be a threat in the foreseeable future, but five decades on who knows? If that doesn't give you pause, how about the threat three decades hence when Europe has modern weapons, and is dominated by Islamic governments? We'll be safe with no nukes when no one else has any, AND when our manpower limited Arm Forces can take any foreseeable enemy mano a mano. In other words, if you are in favor of dismantling our nuclear forces, you are smoking crack!!

Dash - Versailles

Yes, I know about Versailles. I call Armistice Day the beginning of a 20 year-long ceasefire. During which Germany had hyperinflation in a Depression, which is a trick pony that so far the only other person to try to ride it has been Robert Mugabe leading Zimbabwe from the best economy in Africa to Weimar.

Of course in that economic catastrophe the Weimar Government fell and Hitler rose.



Some Peopke Are Thankful

For George W. Bush's sincere concern for America and her people.

The Bush Presidential Library raised $100mn in 100 days.


Those mean Conservatives and Republicans did stimulate Obama's economy and share the wealth.


Go Galt and tell Obama to go to Hell!

Civilizations at war.
Since the begginning of recorded history people have been looting, fighting and killing people they call their enemies.

We are at a small snapshot in recorded history, there are always people plotting to take what you have earned.

If you have no ability or will to fight back you are doomed. It is just a matter of time.

Just being willing to destroy an enemy will keep them away.

Dusk - 'smart people'
Well...it's easier and less costly in the short term. Long term, something of an open question - although the CPSU's work is bearing fruit, 80 years after they started.

And those in charge are thinking no further ahead than the next election. Except BHO, who is no doubt ghost writing his Britannica entry - or his next auto'lie'ography. Not that there will be any difference...

smart people
me? I'm convinced those "smart people" want America to be defenseless. It's so much easier and less costly to take over a country with no defenses.

But these are 'nukes!'
True enough. Doesn't matter.

Disarmament and refusal to test/modernize/train does NOT work.

Disarmament has beed tried before
Disarmament and refusal to test and update has been tried and advocated before.

After WW 1 and Versailles.

Anyone remember how well that turned out?
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